@@slabbulkhead69 lmao if you’re in high school maybe. When you start talking to touring professional metal drummers, get back to me, because I assure you they can outplay you on any genre you choose.
@@slabbulkhead69 And you literally just said you’re not a drummer, yet you’re arguing with a touring-career metal drummer/engineer about what metal bands are looking for in drummers. I’m just telling you from my real-world experience that the point you’re making STILL doesn’t make music a competition. There are drummers slower/faster than me that are all-around better drummers because speed is just 1 factor in making a good fast drummer. Speed is nothing without technique, power, accuracy, and education (not necessarily school or university, but understanding theory in regards to rhythm, structure, etc), so, again- maybe if you’re in high school, that’s how you think you get the gig. But from my experience, being a well-rounded musician is much more important even in extreme/speed/thrash metal.
I prefer real too sm ab the effects doesn't agree with my ears. I mean it works but for like the dynamics of a song I think it gives the drummer more control of the volume if it just them. I mean like high to lows. idk if I make since or not I have a guitarist brain XD
@@jmike2039 But when you can get the accents right on them it actually makes them matter more than in the triggered way. I get triggered snares are better for louder music, but real ones have more versatility to them.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 yeah I'd agree the dynamics are much betterz especially with mixing and what not. But if I can turn that raw sound into a compromise of that more polished sound it would be butter
Real all the way, the amount of reverb on the trigger is good for live shows and certain album tracking needs, but the real/ non-triggered is better overall.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary so why didn't we get a comparison of non-triggered VS triggered without the reverb? I mean, what's the difference between triggered as in this video VS non-triggered but with reverb added after the mic? If triggers are meant to boost the sensitivity of the drum skin, a fair comparison would have to leave room reverb out of it as much as possible.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary ok, I get it, but, would you say this is a fair or even useful comparison between triggered and non-triggered drums? All I can hear is a lot of reverb and some compression, both of which could be added to a non-triggered drum set.
Definitely prefer non-triggered. I appreciate that some people like the consistent sound of triggers, but I personally much prefer the organic, imperfect sound of the actual drum. But it's harder to tell when they're in with guitars and vocals, so it's not like a deal breaker or anything.
Real drums are great, but context is key. Honestly, after using triggers on my kick for live shows in larger venues, I’ll never want to use a close mic again. Snare and toms, of course I want the mic, but the clarity of triggered kick in an uncontrolled auditorium-like setting vs the wubbly sound of a close mic is incomparable.
personally, love the sound of the real snare for the kit on it's own, but for recording/tracking or just playing with others (in-person or tracks), I think the triggered one would be my go-to
As a producer, you can see the applications for both in different settings or genres. For example. New BMTH has a lot of electronic, overly compressed, dubstep and EDM inspired stuff going on, so I think with a vibe like that,the triggered might work to keep that particular energy in the song might help.
It’s pretty cool being able to listen and see both triggered and not triggered like this, your can really tell the differences a lot more this way 🤘🤘🤘Samus with the W once again 😎
I didn’t know we were voting. They both have their applications. Obviously the real thing sounds like the real thing, but triggers are fun as hell when you wanna get weird with effects
I like to think of triggers as the drum equivalent to guitar amp modelers (Kemper, Helix, AxeFX, etc). They're incredibly versatile, the technology has rapidly improved, and they can save your ass when you show up to a venue with not-so-great acoustics. But at the end of the day, a miked drum kit, just like a tube amp, will always be "better" (assuming the room sounds good, and you have the skills and patience to set everything up and dial everything in).
Real by far. Yet triggered is bad ass too. I started playing drums at age 8 in 1975, and to this day all of the kits I’ve had have never been triggered. Acoustic all the way. It’s in the tuning
66Samus, I truly love everything about you bro, not just your incredible drumming, but your whole life, your wife, your dogs..a week in the life. Your just my kinda Bahee! Hey buddy I I wish we lived closer, I totally want to hang out with you. We’re two peas from the same Bacobb!
Hmmm, I would adjust the velocity remapping so that the lower ones are spiced up a bit. No? And maybe the trigger sensitivity a bit lower. So that there is a bit more headroom. And then do this comparison again... I would be curious if the triggered snare is a bit more balanced.
What in the actual fuck that snare and every other tom, cymbal and kick you hit was absolutely beautiful sounding 🤩 If i got to play this id be in heaven bro! 😂😂
Real sounds awesome as a drummer but honestly in a finished song on Spotify I love the impactful triggered drums with that perfect compressed sound, at least for metal.
Damn, man plays faster with one hand and a stick on a drum than I can play with four fingers and a picking hand on my guitar. I need to practice harder!!!!!!
tbh in a mix it'd be harder to pick. it certainly helps that the sample you're playing is fucking stellar, if the mic'd snare sounded a bit more like the sample it'd win easily
Never understood why folks get so wound up about triggers……they most definitely have their place. I still recall way back when Vinnie Paul made mention that he used triggers as part of his live rig and how many folks got upset about it even after he explained that he used them in conjunction with mics to get his drum mix to sound a certain way in a live venue with greater ease and to be able to help cut through the massive wall of sound Dime and Rex made.
Real or triggered let’s give this man some props for his chops! I personally like the sound of the real snare, reminds me of Steve Gadd. I see comments about death and speed metal and it’s not that those drummers aren’t well conditioned to play triggered kits for 90 minute sets every night on tour. The thing is, those guys end up with arthritis and spine issues because they focus on speed and not other dimensions. Go check out Carter Beauford Tripping Billies from Under The Table and Dreaming. Check out the Zildian Factory Tour by Senri Kawaguchi. Check out anything by Aquiles Priester or Mike Portnoy. Those are all dynamic drummers but the reason there aren’t Rolling Stone cover bands is because it’s hard to play a shuffle beat for 3 minutes without speeding up or slowing down, but Charlie Watts, RIP, did that for full concerts for decades!
This would have been a much better comparison if the triggered snare sound chosen had been closer to the real snare. I know that on all the e-kits I've ever used, you can customize a.snare (material, size, depth, head, tuning, tape, etc) to make it sound pretty much exactly how you want. If the two snares were more or less the same, that would much better showcase the effects of dynamics etc.
I've heard a lot of hate for the triggered snare on Images and Words, never really noticed it until hearing this comparison to a regular snare and I'm afraid I'll never be able to unhear it.
Real is better and you can even change so much with tuning, heads and eq! Love the real sound! But hey, if you play it really doesn't matter, everything sounds good!
Change your mind...? No way! You're the ONLY Person Ive ever heard of, that even listens to ANY Metallica since the Black album...and, cc since you mentioned Metallica and drums, since that Black album, it sounds like Lars' drum set has consisted of, very well mic-ed, phone books, and cardboard boxes...I rack my brain trying figure out how Lars achieves that drum sound,with no discernable frequency response whatsoever...maybe one day Lars will strive for something better than the most extreme mediocrity...however, I highly doubt it...
Non triggered but nothing against it, just personal preference since I prefer a pure natural sound from each drum. My kit is maple so big tuning range. I simply get all drums turned as perfect as possible preferably medium tuning as a baseline. Once drums are pitch matched all I have to do is turn I simple lug looser or tighter on each drum and boom I got the tone of like 7 different kits off of turning one lug ever so slightly. I know you this trick but I'm sure you also know it only works if the entire drum is tuned correctly from the start then you can do the one lug turn trick for different pitches💯🤘
To most ears no but to a trained ear THERE is no comparison because its all based upon which snare/size/head/eq/compression and wood combination that the trigger manufacturer used to record its digital samples from, now we can play with the eq to tune it but it will NEVER beat a live quality snare drum! Triggers originally were used to get sounds that normal drums didn't make like the sounds used in electronic music not to replicate a normal drum sound perhaps one day they will be able to do that but sampling is still in its infancy!
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I like how some drummers wanna argue and complain that triggers are cheating, yet music is not a competition.
@@slabbulkhead69 lmao if you’re in high school maybe. When you start talking to touring professional metal drummers, get back to me, because I assure you they can outplay you on any genre you choose.
@@slabbulkhead69 And you literally just said you’re not a drummer, yet you’re arguing with a touring-career metal drummer/engineer about what metal bands are looking for in drummers. I’m just telling you from my real-world experience that the point you’re making STILL doesn’t make music a competition.
There are drummers slower/faster than me that are all-around better drummers because speed is just 1 factor in making a good fast drummer. Speed is nothing without technique, power, accuracy, and education (not necessarily school or university, but understanding theory in regards to rhythm, structure, etc), so, again- maybe if you’re in high school, that’s how you think you get the gig. But from my experience, being a well-rounded musician is much more important even in extreme/speed/thrash metal.
@@slabbulkhead69 Not faster than the other guy. Faster than themselves at the moment.
@@BradsGonnaPlay do a lot of metal drummers study music theory?
How about drum machines passed off as real playing?
I vote real. Those rim shots. Tasty.
Too dry
Yoo there’s another way to ask for a rimjob me boi
I prefer real too sm ab the effects doesn't agree with my ears. I mean it works but for like the dynamics of a song I think it gives the drummer more control of the volume if it just them. I mean like high to lows. idk if I make since or not I have a guitarist brain XD
@@jmike2039 But when you can get the accents right on them it actually makes them matter more than in the triggered way. I get triggered snares are better for louder music, but real ones have more versatility to them.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 yeah I'd agree the dynamics are much betterz especially with mixing and what not. But if I can turn that raw sound into a compromise of that more polished sound it would be butter
Real all the way, the amount of reverb on the trigger is good for live shows and certain album tracking needs, but the real/ non-triggered is better overall.
Is it not possible to hear triggered drums without the reverb?
@@tiagojordao4105 Yes, you just have to reduce/ remove or limit the reverb in the VST or whatever, or if it's live at the board.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary so why didn't we get a comparison of non-triggered VS triggered without the reverb? I mean, what's the difference between triggered as in this video VS non-triggered but with reverb added after the mic? If triggers are meant to boost the sensitivity of the drum skin, a fair comparison would have to leave room reverb out of it as much as possible.
@@tiagojordao4105 Ask Sam, I don't know why he chose to do it that way.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary ok, I get it, but, would you say this is a fair or even useful comparison between triggered and non-triggered drums? All I can hear is a lot of reverb and some compression, both of which could be added to a non-triggered drum set.
Real, hands down. Hits are unique and you can hear the sound and atmosphere of the drum.
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Nice! Yeah the real feels more ... real. Has more dynamics and feel.
Definitely prefer non-triggered. I appreciate that some people like the consistent sound of triggers, but I personally much prefer the organic, imperfect sound of the actual drum. But it's harder to tell when they're in with guitars and vocals, so it's not like a deal breaker or anything.
Real drums are great, but context is key. Honestly, after using triggers on my kick for live shows in larger venues, I’ll never want to use a close mic again. Snare and toms, of course I want the mic, but the clarity of triggered kick in an uncontrolled auditorium-like setting vs the wubbly sound of a close mic is incomparable.
@@BradsGonnaPlay Interesting.
My snare got hella triggered from the sound of yours. Especially after that one-hander 😅
Someone needs to turn that into a gif saying triggered like ASAP
*cue rimshot*
I appreciate how Samus will actually read, and like many of the comments on his vids!! Thx for that..
thank YOU dude!!
both sound nice, and both have their applications
Real for real!
Really wanted to hear the gravity blast without triggers :(
personally, love the sound of the real snare for the kit on it's own, but for recording/tracking or just playing with others (in-person or tracks), I think the triggered one would be my go-to
I like both; they have their time and place is all i say
Earned a subscribe. Great chops, too
whhhhaatt?? Damn dude those rolls in the end of the vid, absolute beast. Big respect from the U.K
This one hand roll is very awesome!!!Great performed
As a producer, you can see the applications for both in different settings or genres. For example. New BMTH has a lot of electronic, overly compressed, dubstep and EDM inspired stuff going on, so I think with a vibe like that,the triggered might work to keep that particular energy in the song might help.
Haha almost sounded like you were going into the solo from Wayne's world movie towards the end lmao so good 👍🏻......I like to play....lmao
Oh yeah
It’s pretty cool being able to listen and see both triggered and not triggered like this, your can really tell the differences a lot more this way 🤘🤘🤘Samus with the W once again 😎
I wish you had a mix of both cuz I bet that would sound best
I'm just impressed how accurate that trigger sounds! I've never had good experience with those ddrum trigs.
rim shots on that classic snare are nasty. I love it.
I didn’t know we were voting. They both have their applications. Obviously the real thing sounds like the real thing, but triggers are fun as hell when you wanna get weird with effects
I like to think of triggers as the drum equivalent to guitar amp modelers (Kemper, Helix, AxeFX, etc). They're incredibly versatile, the technology has rapidly improved, and they can save your ass when you show up to a venue with not-so-great acoustics. But at the end of the day, a miked drum kit, just like a tube amp, will always be "better" (assuming the room sounds good, and you have the skills and patience to set everything up and dial everything in).
🔥The raddest looking snare ever made🔥
Try a 50/50 trigger so 50% real drum 50% trigger and you mix it down. It sounds so good
I love two sounds
Real is 100% me. Snare is how
I started in middle school and thankfully I had a fantastic music teacher.
Super clean drum rolls and handicraft! Always inspiring to see 🤘🔥🤘
Ultra brutal el final!!!!
😱😱
Real by far. Yet triggered is bad ass too. I started playing drums at age 8 in 1975, and to this day all of the kits I’ve had have never been triggered. Acoustic all the way. It’s in the tuning
Nice G5790! My favorite snare mic.
66Samus, I truly love everything about you bro, not just your incredible drumming, but your whole life, your wife, your dogs..a week in the life. Your just my kinda Bahee! Hey buddy I I wish we lived closer, I totally want to hang out with you. We’re two peas from the same Bacobb!
They both sound great
Yeah, this just validates what I have always thought. I like the nontriggered snare sound, although in a mix it might be hard to tell.
That sample sounds 🔥🤘💯
Those gravity blast are so hard on the electronic kit
That raw snare would be fantastic to work with tho. You could easily get that thing soundin just as beefy as the sample.
Hmmm, I would adjust the velocity remapping so that the lower ones are spiced up a bit. No?
And maybe the trigger sensitivity a bit lower.
So that there is a bit more headroom. And then do this comparison again...
I would be curious if the triggered snare is a bit more balanced.
That’s a great sounding kit either way
I see/hear the difference and prefer real. Those are some pretty shells you got there as well ❤
My dad will learn me how to do the multi bounce roll
Gravity blasts...in the end though..🔥 ...
That gravity roll is such a nice touch.
Man, it sounds badass 😎
Any blend recordings? I hear the pros mix them live.
I'mma be honest the triggered one sounded better to my ears LOL
Busting out one hand rolls yeeeeaH booooooi ...I love those.
What in the actual fuck that snare and every other tom, cymbal and kick you hit was absolutely beautiful sounding 🤩
If i got to play this id be in heaven bro! 😂😂
That gravity blast… You’ve been watching more Estepario 😎
Never knew Estepario invented gravity blast good to know 🤣
@@telensatsuki6817 Who said invented? El Estepario just perfected it.
@@hagenl.2975 Lol you’ve never heard a body farm by cattle decapitation I take it
That's just a one handed roll. When did people start calling it a gravity blast? Lol
For two seconds i heard
The Hurt That Finds You First by Meshuggah 🥁🙌
Sweet gravity blast, man.
So fucking love my ddrum hybrid kit
Great playing bro!
007
Real sounds awesome as a drummer but honestly in a finished song on Spotify I love the impactful triggered drums with that perfect compressed sound, at least for metal.
that final was badass
There is nothing like a real, miced snare without all the dampening.
Nothing beats the sound of a real snare...
They both are great
I think it's the guy playing. What a freaking beast!!!!! 😳
Damn, man plays faster with one hand and a stick on a drum than I can play with four fingers and a picking hand on my guitar. I need to practice harder!!!!!!
Both are good! You sound great on the real snare as well as triggered
Nothing is better than the Real sound.
Giving away the secrets to metal drum cheat codes i see..
Your tone is sick.... got like that Joey jordison High Piccolo crack or from like the second Otep album
You should try the Simmons sd1250 electronic drum set, its pretty good ngl
God I’d play drums that crispy forever
tbh in a mix it'd be harder to pick. it certainly helps that the sample you're playing is fucking stellar, if the mic'd snare sounded a bit more like the sample it'd win easily
The Hurt That Finds You First start playing in anyone else's head after that first roll?
you really are my idol in drummin, i dream to be as good as you🤩
Omg so much good stuff on youtube. Too much
I see your really starting to fancy the e-drums . Can’t say I blame you . Love to get a top end Roland Kit !!
I would love to hear what it sound like if it was tuned high
Never understood why folks get so wound up about triggers……they most definitely have their place. I still recall way back when Vinnie Paul made mention that he used triggers as part of his live rig and how many folks got upset about it even after he explained that he used them in conjunction with mics to get his drum mix to sound a certain way in a live venue with greater ease and to be able to help cut through the massive wall of sound Dime and Rex made.
Real or triggered let’s give this man some props for his chops! I personally like the sound of the real snare, reminds me of Steve Gadd. I see comments about death and speed metal and it’s not that those drummers aren’t well conditioned to play triggered kits for 90 minute sets every night on tour. The thing is, those guys end up with arthritis and spine issues because they focus on speed and not other dimensions. Go check out Carter Beauford Tripping Billies from Under The Table and Dreaming. Check out the Zildian Factory Tour by Senri Kawaguchi. Check out anything by Aquiles Priester or Mike Portnoy. Those are all dynamic drummers but the reason there aren’t Rolling Stone cover bands is because it’s hard to play a shuffle beat for 3 minutes without speeding up or slowing down, but Charlie Watts, RIP, did that for full concerts for decades!
Ew that blast at the end, criminal!
Real all the way
I love the real sound. But in recording environments, I tend to layer them both.
Natural and raw for real!!!
This would have been a much better comparison if the triggered snare sound chosen had been closer to the real snare. I know that on all the e-kits I've ever used, you can customize a.snare (material, size, depth, head, tuning, tape, etc) to make it sound pretty much exactly how you want. If the two snares were more or less the same, that would much better showcase the effects of dynamics etc.
Holy fuck that gravity blast at the end
I've heard a lot of hate for the triggered snare on Images and Words, never really noticed it until hearing this comparison to a regular snare and I'm afraid I'll never be able to unhear it.
they’re both dope lol
With you playing, they both are nice, honestly just depends on the situation though.
If that little metallic ring from the snare was added tha would be perfect for ME
Does the wood from the shell make any difference on a triggered drum?
no difference in the actual triggered sound, no :)
that gravity blast be insane
You missed an opportunity to have the triggered snare sound like “reeee”
Real is better and you can even change so much with tuning, heads and eq! Love the real sound! But hey, if you play it really doesn't matter, everything sounds good!
Fr by next year it's gonna be a battle by Ghost face and 66Samus... And probably rocker girl is taking the trophy 🏆
St. Anger snare is more real than real snare, change my mind
Change your mind...? No way! You're the ONLY Person Ive ever heard of, that even listens to ANY Metallica since the Black album...and, cc since you mentioned Metallica and drums, since that Black album, it sounds like Lars' drum set has consisted of, very well mic-ed, phone books, and cardboard boxes...I rack my brain trying figure out how Lars achieves that drum sound,with no discernable frequency response whatsoever...maybe one day Lars will strive for something better than the most extreme mediocrity...however, I highly doubt it...
i like the dynamics of the real one.
Non triggered but nothing against it, just personal preference since I prefer a pure natural sound from each drum. My kit is maple so big tuning range. I simply get all drums turned as perfect as possible preferably medium tuning as a baseline. Once drums are pitch matched all I have to do is turn I simple lug looser or tighter on each drum and boom I got the tone of like 7 different kits off of turning one lug ever so slightly. I know you this trick but I'm sure you also know it only works if the entire drum is tuned correctly from the start then you can do the one lug turn trick for different pitches💯🤘
You're a beast
Gravity blast, yay! I get happy when I see happy lilttle gravity blasts in their natural habitats.
Real snares will always sound better than triggers imho.
Real is way better imo! Doesnt even need any moongel, just the raw open Sound- perfect
If I wanted an electric sound, I'd play an electric kit
Wtf is that speed in the end bruhhh teach me ur ways
To most ears no but to a trained ear THERE is no comparison because its all based upon which snare/size/head/eq/compression and wood combination that the trigger manufacturer used to record its digital samples from, now we can play with the eq to tune it but it will NEVER beat a live quality snare drum! Triggers originally were used to get sounds that normal drums didn't make like the sounds used in electronic music not to replicate a normal drum sound perhaps one day they will be able to do that but sampling is still in its infancy!
You should do one of those vids where you see if people can tell the difference then reveal at the end of the video.