That's what I was saying you did a little way overly complicated bro there was a few too many steps in there that were unnecessary and the average person nowadays would try to attempt or duplicate what you did and completely just s*** show it and Destroy and ruin their engine and then they would be trying to blame you for doing it because they watched your video on how you did it and they tried to duplicate it and work competent enough to doing like that now they're mad and butthurt that they were too stupid to not realize that they weren't smart enough to do it that way and they would begin with but in all reality it didn't need to be done that way regardless because like I said you can really just pull out the side where the gear shaft is and put a little ride out and put the plate back on and fill a hole in your done or you in a little washer but yeah he did way too much for the same results you get was about 50 or so less steps @@E36_kidd
This has got to be the cleanest video on RUclips on how to do this. Thank you for posting this without all of the nonsense, and showing it in great detail.
I am so glad I found your video. This is, by far, the best and most complete video on this subject! Red Beard and the others could learn from you! Thank you for taking the time and energy to share with us! I liked and subscribed and now I need to watch your other videos! Again, thank you!!!
Why did you take the gear off the crankshaft? This is by far the best video I have ever seen on how to remove the governor, better than Red Beards, Cars and Cameras etc
LNR Ridez WOW, thank you for that compliment. I really appreciate it. I have a valve lash and valve lapping video in the editor, I just have to finish them up. Haven’t had much time between work and family to sit down and do it. Thank you again for your support.
LNR Ridez I remove the gear on the crankshaft because it will slightly reduce the rotational weight of the crankshaft and mostly because I’m taking the crankshaft out anyways, so I might as well just remove it.
Probably the best step-by-step of the process I've seen. However I still got hung up at the replacement bolts part w/ gov out. I have zero clue working on engines, but looking around I ended up getting a bolt and washer slightly bigger than the original governor pin hole and force threaded it in to the block. Zero issues. I cut down and re-used the top pin for the throttle plate.
I’ve watched other videos on removing the governor and it was very quick but with less removal but ur video is in better details awesome man and thanks for your time! Hopefully I don’t jack it up lol
What are your thoughts on keeping the stock flywheel if you remove the governor? Seems like a lot of people are paranoid about it not handing more than 4k rpms. I put a stage one on my predator and I'm using the zip tie method for now just because I wasn't aware that gov removal implied needing to replace the flywheel and springs... I figure its safe enough.
Thanks brother. I tried everything but a punch to push he gov shaft out from the other side 7:03. That did it I have done a lot of Tecumseh's but this is my first clone Thanks subbed
This is a great video so many people can learn from you. Now I'm not nervous about getting an engine ready for racing. Do you have any intentions on making any other videos? Like how to install a top plate and pulse pump or anything like that?
What size bolts did they thread into the hole for the governor and oil shutoff? I'm looking to remove my governor and oil shutoff but I want to have the correct bolts and tools before I start tearing my motor apart?
When you remove the gear off the crank to the govenor, should you install a shim in its place? I just pulled the gear off my motor and noticed the crank has a little more right to left horizontal movement. Thoughts?
shoulda watched this...😂🤣🥲😅 I just took the external governor off my used 212 with an amazon carb and it was a beast... until the little pin holding the part on the internal governor at 6:03 rattled off my engine while riding and the little flappy spinny boi turned into a crunchy boi and the engine turned to a rock..🤣😂 i shoulda done my research lol
So how important is it to change the connecting rod and flywheel to a billet one after removing the govenor? Ive seen some do it and some just leave the stock stuff in...i get plastic vs metal, but how did/does this enginr hold up without it?
I know this is an old question, but maybe someone will find it useful later. It really depends on your application. The governor will limit your RPM to around 3600 (they vary some). The next limiting factor in most of these engines is the valve spring weight. OEM springs usually limit the RPM to around 4800 before the valves start to "float". Up to that point, my opinion is that the OEM flywheel and rod are probably fine. If you take the next step and upgrade the valve springs, the limiting factor is likely just your gearing and wheel size. At that point, once you exceed 5k regularly, you really need to replace that flywheel.
@@Mark-vi6cg In my opinion what he did in the video is what amateurs do. Guys who know what they are doing take it a few steps further no matter what RPM is being turned. Governor removal should only be done during an engine build that will include parts that can handle high RPM operation.
it won't just fall off, I mean you saw him beating on it to get it off of there. It's pressed on the shaft and wedged against the housing. It's not going anywhere. It's simply just to remove unnecessary rotating weight. with a stock cam/rod/piston, it might free up a little power but not likely as noticeable as just removing the governor itself.
I know you going to think, and so will others reading this, but what does removing the governor do? Is it just getting more power? How’s that effect the longevity of the motor? Surely it voids the warranty, but is it better to do immediately before using the engine? Do you know of anyone in the Boulder Colorado area who will do this work? Thank for any help you can offer.
question i hope i can get a response because i am currently making some repairs on the mini bike i have and and i need to replace the crank shaft and when u put in the crankshaft did u had to check your valve lashes when u reinstalled the crankshaft
Just how much does this affect the power output of the engine? (I just bought a go cart, and he told me he removed the governor inside. Wasn't quite sure what he was talking about, but the video explains it.)
Power output depends on what else is done to the engine. If you get a brand new engine and remove the governor and do nothing else it will spin higher than stock RPM but power output will start dropping off after a certain RPM as it leans out.
Its a lot easier and faster to just cut off the governor arm that has the bend in it and tap it down. It'll fall down into the engine so then just pull it out and flip it over and insert back into the hole from the top. Now you've plugged the hole so no oil leaks out. The gas tank will sit on top and keep the arm from coming out. No need to even find a bolt that will screw in.
My thoughts and opinions exactly bro exactly what you just said but didn't know how much I felt about confidence-wise but now seeing your Comet post whatever you want to call it makes me feel 110% better cuz I swear I thought to myself could I just do it this way but there's always that what if in the back of your mind you know what I'm saying but now I'm just going to go ahead and do it the way you said it because that's what I thought to myself first time I looked at the whole situation and watched a few other videos but thanks again for your second opinion second opinion always helps in my opinion LOL
So I'm thinking about putting one of these in an e-tron Viper 90 I ended up getting it for a lawn mower I was selling that I fixed he gave me 40 bucks and the Viper with a blown motor I'm not too familiar with these Predator Motors but everybody keeps telling me to put a 212 in it is that something complicated to do
The low oil sensor. You don't need it and it will cause you problems on a go-kart when the oil splashes around while driving and shut the engine off. Cut and remove as he did. Or, if you don't want to fill the whole with a bolt.... just leave it, and cut the wire on the outside to disable it.
Did he just thread a bolt through the top? Should be good enough unless you plan on riding upside down, but the hole that the oil sensor came through, did you just leave the bolt that came in there, in place? It wont leak through the open hole?
The wire plug nut and bolt for the low oil sensor already does the job of plugging the hole. You can loctite the nut and bolt and it is possible for the wire to come loose, so I super glue them on the outside where the wire comes out of the plug.
Clarifying question...so you cut the oil sensor wire inside...do you not need to do anything else with the electrical to keep the circuit closed? (Or ensure the circuit stays open)? Whichever it takes to remove the oil sensor from the equation.
It's a normally open circuit. When oil is too low it closes and provides a ground to the coil to shut down the engine. Once the low oil sensor wires are cut and the small gold low oil sensor device is removed what you have left is the on/off switch. Plug it's connector onto the wire to the coil and you are done.
by far the best video i just wished you showed how to tapp the hole and like what size bolt to use other i think its a 1/4 im just wondering what kind of washer i need and nuts for it also and maybe some red loctite
I use 1/4” Allen head bolts. A half-inch long bolt for the side (under the flywheel) and a 2 inch for the top hole. I don’t use washers and I do use loctite.
@@frontrunnerkartingllc7392 ty i did it yesterday i used a 1/4 and a washer i got from taking the governor off and some red loctite now i just gotta set my valve lash i think its 003 005 it can be anything for anybody i guuess i will just have to keep trying also i used red rtv and i think im getting no compression i only let it seal for like 7 hours and then put oil in i was in a rush
I tried to remove my governor but for some reason I can't get the crank case off and It seems stuck on there do you know a way to try and get it out thank you.
You can do the nut and bolt with a rubber washer and loctite red. The problem is, if the nut ever comes loose it would wreak havoc on your engine. Better to Tap. Your call.
Finally! A thorough video with torque specs and all! Great job.
Yeah but you don’t need to take the cam or piston out
That's what I was saying you did a little way overly complicated bro there was a few too many steps in there that were unnecessary and the average person nowadays would try to attempt or duplicate what you did and completely just s*** show it and Destroy and ruin their engine and then they would be trying to blame you for doing it because they watched your video on how you did it and they tried to duplicate it and work competent enough to doing like that now they're mad and butthurt that they were too stupid to not realize that they weren't smart enough to do it that way and they would begin with but in all reality it didn't need to be done that way regardless because like I said you can really just pull out the side where the gear shaft is and put a little ride out and put the plate back on and fill a hole in your done or you in a little washer but yeah he did way too much for the same results you get was about 50 or so less steps @@E36_kidd
This has got to be the cleanest video on RUclips on how to do this. Thank you for posting this without all of the nonsense, and showing it in great detail.
My buddy and I are building a 212 for a minibike and this helped me out a lot, thanks!
This was a great step by step video! Thanks for taking the time to put this one together for us beginners.
He even showing you how to put it back together this is great
I am so glad I found your video. This is, by far, the best and most complete video on this subject! Red Beard and the others could learn from you! Thank you for taking the time and energy to share with us! I liked and subscribed and now I need to watch your other videos! Again, thank you!!!
I went to check out your other videos...to my chagrin, there are none! What gives?
you're comparing a step by step removal of an engine component vs go Karting channels.
Why did you take the gear off the crankshaft? This is by far the best video I have ever seen on how to remove the governor, better than Red Beards, Cars and Cameras etc
LNR Ridez WOW, thank you for that compliment. I really appreciate it. I have a valve lash and valve lapping video in the editor, I just have to finish them up. Haven’t had much time between work and family to sit down and do it. Thank you again for your support.
LNR Ridez I remove the gear on the crankshaft because it will slightly reduce the rotational weight of the crankshaft and mostly because I’m taking the crankshaft out anyways, so I might as well just remove it.
Plus anything you don’t need in there that might fail could blow the motor up
How do you tap a screw? And what size screws did you use?
@@MrPatrickStephenson 1/4-20 or 1/4-24.
I’ve been doing this for 5 days now. I hate motors but thanks for the video because it’s helping me
Finally a video that shows exactly the right way of doing it
dude did this in my room upstairs so simple youre a hell of a person
Oh wow, you even have torque call outs. Bravo
The best teachers do not have to speak. TY
This is a fantastic guide and very well done! Thank you!
Hey man thanks a lot!! Took me 30 minutes to find the video I needed to actually help me thanks to you 👌
Amazing guide !! Quick, Simple, Clear!
thanks so much nice video! first time ever opening a 212, but this video gave me confidence and job well done 👍
Probably the best step-by-step of the process I've seen. However I still got hung up at the replacement bolts part w/ gov out. I have zero clue working on engines, but looking around I ended up getting a bolt and washer slightly bigger than the original governor pin hole and force threaded it in to the block. Zero issues. I cut down and re-used the top pin for the throttle plate.
can someone explain what to do with the throttle linkage that was where he put that bolt in at 9:31
I’ve watched other videos on removing the governor and it was very quick but with less removal but ur video is in better details awesome man and thanks for your time! Hopefully I don’t jack it up lol
This video should have 1 million views
Thanx for the video! I just needed to know which way to turn the governor shaft when setting the static adjustment!!!
Thank you for making this as simple as possible for us👌😮💨
Best video I've seen on this topic. Thanks!
Best video out there on this! Thanks so much!
What are your thoughts on keeping the stock flywheel if you remove the governor? Seems like a lot of people are paranoid about it not handing more than 4k rpms. I put a stage one on my predator and I'm using the zip tie method for now just because I wasn't aware that gov removal implied needing to replace the flywheel and springs... I figure its safe enough.
stock flywheel should be fine removing the governor but atleast 18lb valve springs should be put in to be safe
@@jaydenv8295 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks brother. I tried everything but a punch to push he gov shaft out from the other side 7:03. That did it I have done a lot of Tecumseh's but this is my first clone Thanks subbed
Brilliant! I never thought about punching it out!
What about throttle linkage?
What did you do to fix it?
At 2:00 you take that little rod off of the carb how do you re-attatch that arm/spring after you have taken that L shaped piece out?
This is a great video so many people can learn from you. Now I'm not nervous about getting an engine ready for racing. Do you have any intentions on making any other videos? Like how to install a top plate and pulse pump or anything like that?
What size bolts did they thread into the hole for the governor and oil shutoff? I'm looking to remove my governor and oil shutoff but I want to have the correct bolts and tools before I start tearing my motor apart?
Best videos bro helped out a lot , did it the right way not the easy way !
Fantastic coverage here, you made a great video!
What do you do about the throttle cable????
How did you figure out how to fix it?
@@juliancuevasiii8449 go power sports makes a throttle cable top plate that I ordered. Worked perfectly.
What sized bolt was used to block off where the governor was?
What did you do with the throttle and all the springs and other stuff you removed from the top?
How did you figure out how to fix it?
what is the torque of the internal screws of the engine head?
I want to change the gaskets and I need to disassemble everything
Please help
When you remove the gear off the crank to the govenor, should you install a shim in its place? I just pulled the gear off my motor and noticed the crank has a little more right to left horizontal movement. Thoughts?
What ever happened? I don't think the gear was acting as a shim
There's no need for a shim. The crankshaft bottoms into the bearing, not the drive gear.
This was a excellent video awesome job on the editing and detail can’t thank you enough helped me greatly all the other videos are a little bit bad
Why did you remove the two pieces from inside the engine, the oil pump and the gear piece?
So what happened to that other video on the valve lash & lapping?
We want the video!! Lol
I got all the other things put together right I just didn’t remove that other gear on the crankshaft
shoulda watched this...😂🤣🥲😅 I just took the external governor off my used 212 with an amazon carb and it was a beast... until the little pin holding the part on the internal governor at 6:03 rattled off my engine while riding and the little flappy spinny boi turned into a crunchy boi and the engine turned to a rock..🤣😂 i shoulda done my research lol
Same process I use. Except I remove the oil sensor bolt and assembly as well.
Thank u so much. From india
Am I supposed to remove that other gear on the crankshaft ? Is that why my motor won’t start ?
So how important is it to change the connecting rod and flywheel to a billet one after removing the govenor? Ive seen some do it and some just leave the stock stuff in...i get plastic vs metal, but how did/does this enginr hold up without it?
Pretty important if you don't want stuff flying through your seat, and killing the engine.
I know this is an old question, but maybe someone will find it useful later. It really depends on your application. The governor will limit your RPM to around 3600 (they vary some). The next limiting factor in most of these engines is the valve spring weight. OEM springs usually limit the RPM to around 4800 before the valves start to "float". Up to that point, my opinion is that the OEM flywheel and rod are probably fine. If you take the next step and upgrade the valve springs, the limiting factor is likely just your gearing and wheel size. At that point, once you exceed 5k regularly, you really need to replace that flywheel.
@@Mark-vi6cg In my opinion what he did in the video is what amateurs do. Guys who know what they are doing take it a few steps further no matter what RPM is being turned. Governor removal should only be done during an engine build that will include parts that can handle high RPM operation.
What are you holding up at 5:51 and 5:52
Is there a performance advantage to taking the crank gear off or is it more of a just in case so it doesn't fall off
it won't just fall off, I mean you saw him beating on it to get it off of there. It's pressed on the shaft and wedged against the housing. It's not going anywhere. It's simply just to remove unnecessary rotating weight. with a stock cam/rod/piston, it might free up a little power but not likely as noticeable as just removing the governor itself.
great video but why didnt you start the engine at the end to prove it actually worked
Thanks bud. Very good video. What size tap did you use for the holes in the block?
Jason Daniels 1/4” - 24. I’ve also used a 20 thread pitch depending on the bolts I have in hand, so which ever thread pitch the bolts you have are.
Front Runner Karting LLC would a self-tapping screw do the job?
@@imtrolling5059 yes
What length bolts did you use in the holes you tapped and what type? I know they had to be 1/4-20.
25
And when will the next video be coming out?
What was it that you cut the wire inside the engine and removed? But left the other half in the block
6:02 is when he pulls the governor out btw !
Im stuck on the part where you tap it with the hammer mine will not come off i did everytging step by step
Someone please help any tips?
Best video ever thank you so much
Nice step by step.. Keep it up man!
Going to attempt to take mine off tomorrow,not enough power for me to get gone when I need to,but hopefully I don't mess up nothing wish me luck 😅
What size screws did you use to fill the holes?
I know you going to think, and so will others reading this, but what does removing the governor do? Is it just getting more power? How’s that effect the longevity of the motor? Surely it voids the warranty, but is it better to do immediately before using the engine? Do you know of anyone in the Boulder Colorado area who will do this work? Thank for any help you can offer.
It will allow higher RPMs, but if you don't want the motor blowing up, get a billet flywheel and rod.
Does it matter which impact I use?
Thanks man I’m finally ripping
This was a great video! How do you hook the throttle back up though? Because I though the governor arm was directly connected to the throttle?
Thats what im saying
@@donovinpriest2374 put a mikuni
How did u figure out how to fix it?
@@justbuilds8248is there any other way to fix it?
Duct tape the throttle cable to your gas tank and run the cable into the arm using self tappers
Favoriting this so that I can do it when I get my 212 and minibike
Great video. This will surely help me......Thanks....
do you have a video of how to connect the preadtor 212cc to power the lights on a coleman bt200x
the predator 212 doesn't have any charging coils to do this stock. i have seen them converted however....
Great video, Thanks
question i hope i can get a response because i am currently making some repairs on the mini bike i have and and i need to replace the crank shaft and when u put in the crankshaft did u had to check your valve lashes when u reinstalled the crankshaft
Great Video, thanks!
ok so what about the 2 wholes you just left in my engine case could I maybe fill those with silicone or JB weld
Self tapping bolts from gopowersports
Just how much does this affect the power output of the engine? (I just bought a go cart, and he told me he removed the governor inside. Wasn't quite sure what he was talking about, but the video explains it.)
Power output depends on what else is done to the engine. If you get a brand new engine and remove the governor and do nothing else it will spin higher than stock RPM but power output will start dropping off after a certain RPM as it leans out.
Now you have to show us how to hook the stock throttle assembly back up in case we don't wanna use a dirt bike carb.. 🤔
How did you figure it out?
What bolts do u need for the top hole and the hole where the governor gear was
Got any torque valvues for the two black bolts connecting the cam shaft and piston?
108 inch-lbs or 9 foot-lbs
Its a lot easier and faster to just cut off the governor arm that has the bend in it and tap it down. It'll fall down into the engine so then just pull it out and flip it over and insert back into the hole from the top. Now you've plugged the hole so no oil leaks out. The gas tank will sit on top and keep the arm from coming out. No need to even find a bolt that will screw in.
What did you use to cut the arm?
My thoughts and opinions exactly bro exactly what you just said but didn't know how much I felt about confidence-wise but now seeing your Comet post whatever you want to call it makes me feel 110% better cuz I swear I thought to myself could I just do it this way but there's always that what if in the back of your mind you know what I'm saying but now I'm just going to go ahead and do it the way you said it because that's what I thought to myself first time I looked at the whole situation and watched a few other videos but thanks again for your second opinion second opinion always helps in my opinion LOL
Excellent video ...Bravo!
Dont you have to put a cast aluminum flywheel when you remove the governor
Hello----did you actually tap the block or just let the bolts self tap into the aluminum? Thank you.
Your doing the most… but still a good video
What is that impact you have called
Why did you cut the yellow wire for the switch?
Do I have to cut it? And take the black piece out?
So I'm thinking about putting one of these in an e-tron Viper 90 I ended up getting it for a lawn mower I was selling that I fixed he gave me 40 bucks and the Viper with a blown motor I'm not too familiar with these Predator Motors but everybody keeps telling me to put a 212 in it is that something complicated to do
Hi nice work
What size bolts do I need to tap the holes
Thanks
All I did was cut of the shank where the ridge is and pounded it back in to plug the hole, no taping to do. 😊
great video
hey does anyone know how he tapped the holes without a tap? he just put the bolt straight in
On mine I used 1/4” 20 NC, worked perfect.
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I got a question what was that black thing you cut from the bottom of the engine ? It isn’t important ?
The low oil sensor. You don't need it and it will cause you problems on a go-kart when the oil splashes around while driving and shut the engine off. Cut and remove as he did. Or, if you don't want to fill the whole with a bolt.... just leave it, and cut the wire on the outside to disable it.
Did he just thread a bolt through the top? Should be good enough unless you plan on riding upside down, but the hole that the oil sensor came through, did you just leave the bolt that came in there, in place? It wont leak through the open hole?
The wire plug nut and bolt for the low oil sensor already does the job of plugging the hole. You can loctite the nut and bolt and it is possible for the wire to come loose, so I super glue them on the outside where the wire comes out of the plug.
Great vid
Clarifying question...so you cut the oil sensor wire inside...do you not need to do anything else with the electrical to keep the circuit closed? (Or ensure the circuit stays open)? Whichever it takes to remove the oil sensor from the equation.
Wondering the same thing
It's a normally open circuit. When oil is too low it closes and provides a ground to the coil to shut down the engine. Once the low oil sensor wires are cut and the small gold low oil sensor device is removed what you have left is the on/off switch. Plug it's connector onto the wire to the coil and you are done.
At 3:44 how do you keep the shaft from spinning when Taking off pull start?
Using an impact gun will take the bolt off without it spinning or it will spin slightly but still remove the bolt
Do I need a upgraded fly wheel
Is this the same for the ducar 212?
by far the best video i just wished you showed how to tapp the hole and like what size bolt to use
other i think its a 1/4 im just wondering what kind of washer i need and nuts for it also and maybe some red loctite
I use 1/4” Allen head bolts. A half-inch long bolt for the side (under the flywheel) and a 2 inch for the top hole. I don’t use washers and I do use loctite.
@@frontrunnerkartingllc7392 ty i did it yesterday i used a 1/4 and a washer i got from taking the governor off and some red loctite now i just gotta set my valve lash i think its 003 005 it can be anything for anybody i guuess i will just have to keep trying also i used red rtv and i think im getting no compression i only let it seal for like 7 hours and then put oil in i was in a rush
Front Runner Karting LLC Did you tap bolt in, or did you just tighten it down an let it thread itself?
Great job!
I tried to remove my governor but for some reason I can't get the crank case off and It seems stuck on there do you know a way to try and get it out thank you.
Flat.head.screw.driver.😃
Great video
Screw that, I just use a piece of wire and tie back the governor! Works great and I don’t need to split the case!
If you do that the governor gear has a high chance of breaking in the engine. It's plastic
Okay so I’m new to engines do I have to tap and screw in the hole or could I put a bolt with rubber washer and nut on really tight ?
You can do the nut and bolt with a rubber washer and loctite red. The problem is, if the nut ever comes loose it would wreak havoc on your engine. Better to Tap. Your call.
@@Picklejam08 appreciate the info