@@MPSmaruj Yeah, in BTOS it would just say that you protected someone but not who you protected. Still goes a long way to confirming someone but not all the way
The ability to protect multiple people AND only if town aligned is already extreamly powerfull, almost feels like they were trying to make the most powerfull and unfair role
I don't think the Oracle should learn *anything* when they protect someone, not even that someone was protected- the Oracle should have to fly completely blind, all while the people they protected don't know if it was an Oracle or some other TP who saved them. That makes it easy to fake claim that the Oracle protected you, or for people to fake claim Oracle. Edit: That also gives room for evils to fake claim cleric and take credit for the Oracle's saves, which has interesting potential.
I've gotten the Oracle role twice thus far. The 1st time a jailor jailed me, I posted my will without delay. He said nothing at all that night then hit the exe button at the last moment exing me for no reason at all then DC'd in shame. The 2nd game was just earlier today & had a funny moment. Things happened & night 3 I chose to self so to speak, I chose Oracle to protect, as I though I was gonna get attacked. That night I got a message telling my #14 had been attacked. I was confused about that message for a second then it clicked that 14 had to be an oracle as well. In the end myself & 14 won the game for town against a baker & it was all cause of night 3.
@@555Soupy555 In my game it was only night 3 and they had just successfully exed a coven on night 2 so all that jailor did was game-throw & exe a TP claim when there was no reason to. Half of that lobby called the dc'd jailor a game-thrower when he role was revealed the day after.
@@starhealer1not really a game throw, just a mistake. Unless you were hard confirmed by at least one person and preferably more, then it is illogical to call it a game throw. The fact that they dced could be considered throwing since you are throwing away a town vote, but weird to call an exe a game throw otherwise.
@@ChaseJonas75I think a lot of people use the term game throwing differently. Some people use it (incorrectly) to describe someone making a really bad play when the right option is really obvious. The actual definition is taking actions to intentionally worsen the position of the team for the purpose of lowering your own and your team's chances of winning. The jailor did the first definition of throwing by making a really poorly thought out move for no reason, then by disconnecting they are committing the 2nd, actual definition of throwing.
I like how 7 was about to be hanged as Jester, but pipe inadvertently saved him by revealing he wasn't Jester because 3 was definitely ready to vote there.
I think Seer is always the best N1 option to Aegis, because they visit 2 people which means they're more likely to be attacked by Jinx, Veteran, and Crusader
Town could still won there if 7 got voted out then jailor jails sk and you could of have protected jailor since you didn't protected them the previous night
I'm confused. Using the previous assumption that it was 1 SK and 1 Shroud: Night 4, Aegis on Jailor, protected them Day 5, nothing happened Night 5, can't protect jailor, don't use aegis, both pipe and 5 lived Day 6, Pipe didn't want to vote 7, but if 7 got hung, regardless if it was Shroud or SK (or SK or SC in reality) jailor could jail 3 while Oracle uses aegis on jailor night 6, then its a 2v1 right?
Yeah I don't understand how he didn't go for it, I am thinking of ways WHY he played like that because no way Pipe made that simple math mistake but I can't find an explanation.
The Oracle reminds me of how non-standardized the nighttime role-selector menus are. Makes them harder to learn for new people because they are all different.
Learning moment: a retributionist/necromancer when using a role with unique identifiers have context for what their corpse does if say a trickster has a stored attack it will say unleash but if you never got that particular encounter it can be something you skip over and lead to a confusing situation (which I've learn to just say EVERYTHING that happens to me in a particular night even if I'm evil when I can or at least put it in my will.)
It's a shame 10 wasn't gotten out sooner because people actually listened to 1. What in tarnation was that "I don't want to explain" stuff? That should have been an instant hang, Also, Town at the end could have won if the SK was the one jailed and voted out next night then doing the same to the shroud next night.
you threw hard this game btw Pipe. 3 and 5 voted 7 at the end so you could ve killed th sk/shroud and then protected the jailor from the possible SK attack, voting out 3 at the end.
if he voted 7, he wouldve gotten the sc out and then the sk would have gotten the jailor or himself. he couldnt protect bc he already protected jailor the night before. he did the best he could with the information he was given.
Nah nah, this comment is correct, the last protect was N4, N5 no event happened so if they voted 7 on D6, jailor would put 3 in jail and pipe can save jailor N6
Can the jailor still jailor even if he is out of exes? Of yes then I think town could have won. If the day before pipe died they hanged 7 then jailor could've jailed 3 and pipe would've been able to protect jailor again since a night had passed since he'd done so. This should save jailor from sk and they vote him out the next day. Town wins. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I just redownloaded this game. Honestly, it would be really hard.. but I think the player count of the game would go up if the ToS team figured out how to make accounting for a lot of variables more smooth with the GUI. You could even port to console maybe if you were to get really niche with it.
I think if you had voted 7 on day six, Jailor could have jailed 3 and you could easily save them from SK. Just because Jailor used all three executes doesnt mean he cant jail anyone.
Oracle is so satisfying, I had a game that I saved like 2 different invests in one night, saved myself in the next and saved another person in the last night
soul collector showing why hes the only NA who stands a chance solo, still requires heavy evil game and people to assume theres 2 shrouds and 2 sks and 4 coven though
im super confused why they pushed 10 for trespassing, I know he was already sus af, but doesnt trespassing mean you visited someone from a different faction? It doesnt immediately mean youre evil right?
Couldn't you have won even if 7 was shroud by voting 3 and 7 getting jailed to be voted the next day? Or does jailing (but not executing) shroud get the jailer killed?
Imo the best choice for protecting N1 would be amnesiac. You can’t know for sure what tpow roles are in the game, but if an amne is in the game and can become that tpow role, it’s better to protect the amne over a tpow. Not only that, but the amne would then remember allowing you to protect them again
Augh, noooooo...! You could've clutched the game by hanging one of the evils in the 2v1v1, and claiming that you were that theoretical second Shroud to throw some confusion into the mix instead of drawing in the aggro. Then protect the Jailor in that night, and finalize that 2v1 with a vote.
I'm so confused; why didn't you try to vote someone out when there were four of you and take the 50/50 for victory with the gaoler gaoling you to protect you?
You could have won if you voted SK or SC on day 6 because you could have saved Jailor from the SK. Even if it was 2 Shroud and SK you could have won by voting the SK since Jailor can jail. Nice game anyways.
I feel like it really shouldn't tell you who got attacked, just that you protected someone who was attacked. It's way too OP as is and very easy to confirm people.
Can Jailor jail when they are out of execution? If so, Pipe and Jailor really did misplay there, they could have voted out 7 and then protected jailor when he jailed the SK
Honestly every time I see the oracle silhouette I go "WHY IS YOUR HEAD SO ROUND⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️" I mean I understand there being a new artist for the game but can you PLEASE try to get the anatomy more accurate? This honestly hurts more than when they changed the berserker silhouette (bring back juggy boi and give him a kickass fit please)
Day 75 of telling lies: Ngl, I thought that Pipe choosing to protect ‘surv’ N5 was gonna be a misplay, but it surprisingly worked out. Who woulda thought maf would attack the surv claim there? Aegis best role in TOS1 fr
21:12 I don't get the logic there. Dude pretty much didn't speak at all and voted innocent on obvious evils. There were only 5 townies and town still almost won. You didn't play the game. You just spectated it and hoped no vigilante shoots you.
I guess you said that to convince jailor, but I think people are more likely to give win to apoc now since they are alone. Funny enough SK wasn't alone
im so confused, after you and jailor both lived and you could barrier jailor again, you could have hanged either 3 or 7 then you can barrier the other and have 5 admit hes jailor so hes attacked. then its 2v1 and can win for town this is a rare misplay by you tbh pipe
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I'm surprised you put the Jailors # in your will after that N1 protect. If you had died before them earlier you would have outed them as jailor
Pipe putting “5 attacked” confirming him as jailor D2 in his will hurt me
I feel that it telling who got attacked is so OP.
Definitely. The ability to potentially confirm any town in the game is too much.
@@MPSmaruj Yeah, in BTOS it would just say that you protected someone but not who you protected. Still goes a long way to confirming someone but not all the way
The ability to protect multiple people AND only if town aligned is already extreamly powerfull, almost feels like they were trying to make the most powerfull and unfair role
fr, maybe giving a list of numbers like psy would be better. like "you have saved the seer, and your senses tell you its either 3,4 or 5"
I don't think the Oracle should learn *anything* when they protect someone, not even that someone was protected- the Oracle should have to fly completely blind, all while the people they protected don't know if it was an Oracle or some other TP who saved them.
That makes it easy to fake claim that the Oracle protected you, or for people to fake claim Oracle.
Edit: That also gives room for evils to fake claim cleric and take credit for the Oracle's saves, which has interesting potential.
CLAIM OR STFU got Salemed into CLAIM OR tell me more. That chat filter cracks me up sometimes
The moment at 7:30 was so satisfying im so glad you called him out like that. People hard defending with no claim or will annoy me to death.
I've gotten the Oracle role twice thus far. The 1st time a jailor jailed me, I posted my will without delay. He said nothing at all that night then hit the exe button at the last moment exing me for no reason at all then DC'd in shame. The 2nd game was just earlier today & had a funny moment. Things happened & night 3 I chose to self so to speak, I chose Oracle to protect, as I though I was gonna get attacked. That night I got a message telling my #14 had been attacked. I was confused about that message for a second then it clicked that 14 had to be an oracle as well. In the end myself & 14 won the game for town against a baker & it was all cause of night 3.
that jailor is so funny, stress got to them hard it seems
@@555Soupy555 In my game it was only night 3 and they had just successfully exed a coven on night 2 so all that jailor did was game-throw & exe a TP claim when there was no reason to. Half of that lobby called the dc'd jailor a game-thrower when he role was revealed the day after.
@@starhealer1not really a game throw, just a mistake. Unless you were hard confirmed by at least one person and preferably more, then it is illogical to call it a game throw.
The fact that they dced could be considered throwing since you are throwing away a town vote, but weird to call an exe a game throw otherwise.
@@ChaseJonas75I think a lot of people use the term game throwing differently. Some people use it (incorrectly) to describe someone making a really bad play when the right option is really obvious.
The actual definition is taking actions to intentionally worsen the position of the team for the purpose of lowering your own and your team's chances of winning.
The jailor did the first definition of throwing by making a really poorly thought out move for no reason, then by disconnecting they are committing the 2nd, actual definition of throwing.
@@nicjoy4407 so it's like: being stupid =/= throwing. Intentionally being stupid = throwing?
I like how 7 was about to be hanged as Jester, but pipe inadvertently saved him by revealing he wasn't Jester because 3 was definitely ready to vote there.
I think Seer is always the best N1 option to Aegis, because they visit 2 people which means they're more likely to be attacked by Jinx, Veteran, and Crusader
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"Why me 😢"
Town could still won there if 7 got voted out then jailor jails sk and you could of have protected jailor since you didn't protected them the previous night
I thought the visited sk goes through protection
@@notreal5135 That only kills if the jailor doesn't execute, pretty sure
100%, not voting there was a throw
@@soupy5890 the jailor was out of executes at that time
@@notreal5135 ahhh right mb
I’ve noticed a trend of pipe going aggro as tp, thinking he’s attracted someone to attack him, selfing, wasting it, and wanting it later lol
XD
Typical Pipton moment, having their first game as Oracle to instantly save a town power role.
Just Pipton things ya know?
Pipton plot armour
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I'm confused. Using the previous assumption that it was 1 SK and 1 Shroud:
Night 4, Aegis on Jailor, protected them
Day 5, nothing happened
Night 5, can't protect jailor, don't use aegis, both pipe and 5 lived
Day 6, Pipe didn't want to vote 7, but if 7 got hung, regardless if it was Shroud or SK (or SK or SC in reality) jailor could jail 3 while Oracle uses aegis on jailor night 6, then its a 2v1 right?
Yeah that's what could've happened I think
yep, pipe messed up
Yeah I don't understand how he didn't go for it, I am thinking of ways WHY he played like that because no way Pipe made that simple math mistake but I can't find an explanation.
The Oracle reminds me of how non-standardized the nighttime role-selector menus are. Makes them harder to learn for new people because they are all different.
Its just oracle (and necromancer), CL, ritualist, and doom's role select menus are pretty similar.
Dude, stories like this is what makes town of salmon great.
I sure do love the hit social deduction game Town of Salmonella 2.
@@lvenjo I love phone autocorrect! Leaving the comment cuz it's funny.
Learning moment: a retributionist/necromancer when using a role with unique identifiers have context for what their corpse does if say a trickster has a stored attack it will say unleash but if you never got that particular encounter it can be something you skip over and lead to a confusing situation (which I've learn to just say EVERYTHING that happens to me in a particular night even if I'm evil when I can or at least put it in my will.)
Yeah oracle probably shouldn’t tell who gets attacked. That seems way too powerful
SPOILER: PIPE played as the ORACLE
Bro Why Spoiler it u ruined the exitement
@blackcatsebi1216 sorry 😞
Thank you for not spoiling pipes number
@@IICPDSEmplacement it's totally definitely certainly perfectly surely possibly not 13
@@bertberry2745 why would you do this to me
I think Oracle would be far more balanced if it didnt reveal who it protected, because right now it confirms any town and their role clearing them.
It's a shame 10 wasn't gotten out sooner because people actually listened to 1. What in tarnation was that "I don't want to explain" stuff? That should have been an instant hang,
Also, Town at the end could have won if the SK was the one jailed and voted out next night then doing the same to the shroud next night.
That was a crazy twist of ToS
Most evil town I've seen in awhile. 5 total townies, 2 Shrouds, 2 SKs, 2 Jesters and a buncha coven.
“2 shrouds”
@loki_is_tired The SC identifies as a shroud
Hiding the names at the end cuz they broke anonym mode 😂
you threw hard this game btw Pipe. 3 and 5 voted 7 at the end so you could ve killed th sk/shroud and then protected the jailor from the possible SK attack, voting out 3 at the end.
if he voted 7, he wouldve gotten the sc out and then the sk would have gotten the jailor or himself. he couldnt protect bc he already protected jailor the night before. he did the best he could with the information he was given.
Nah nah, this comment is correct, the last protect was N4, N5 no event happened so if they voted 7 on D6, jailor would put 3 in jail and pipe can save jailor N6
@@theoneandoniiHe could’ve still healed 5 and 5 would’ve lived
ohh wow nice, it tells you who you saved too. That's pretty OP.
Can the jailor still jailor even if he is out of exes? Of yes then I think town could have won. If the day before pipe died they hanged 7 then jailor could've jailed 3 and pipe would've been able to protect jailor again since a night had passed since he'd done so. This should save jailor from sk and they vote him out the next day. Town wins. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I just redownloaded this game. Honestly, it would be really hard.. but I think the player count of the game would go up if the ToS team figured out how to make accounting for a lot of variables more smooth with the GUI. You could even port to console maybe if you were to get really niche with it.
Thank you Pipton for the New Oracle Role being Extremely OP
That shroud-trick-retri combo was CRAZY
I think if you had voted 7 on day six, Jailor could have jailed 3 and you could easily save them from SK. Just because Jailor used all three executes doesnt mean he cant jail anyone.
I screamed when he revealed who jailor is on that N1 will
Oracle is so satisfying, I had a game that I saved like 2 different invests in one night, saved myself in the next and saved another person in the last night
soul collector showing why hes the only NA who stands a chance solo, still requires heavy evil game and people to assume theres 2 shrouds and 2 sks and 4 coven though
they never expected that day 7 death !
This is one of the TOS2 games of all time!
im super confused why they pushed 10 for trespassing, I know he was already sus af, but doesnt trespassing mean you visited someone from a different faction? It doesnt immediately mean youre evil right?
Before I knew what the Oracle role is, I thought it ment choose a role to protect💀😭
This role is stupidly powerfull, even if they nerf it to not get info on who they save and make it unique I think would be the most powerfull tp
Thats some next lvl trickster
Clicked as fast as I could, I was just about to go to sleep
1 defending 10 was so weird
I wonder, does Town of Salem Bingo still have "
Poor retri, almost saved himself but died twice instead
should have voted out 3 and hoped for an attack on 5, as 3 attacked 5 as immune by your barrier.
Once again, Jester is best TI.
12 was struggling with life.
GG Great video as always :)
Couldn't you have won even if 7 was shroud by voting 3 and 7 getting jailed to be voted the next day? Or does jailing (but not executing) shroud get the jailer killed?
Shroud doesn't counterattack roleblocks, only WW, Pest and SK do that, so they actually could have won if they convinced the other evil to vote 7 or 3
@@PanmasterAtArms The other evil WAS voting 7. The only one who didn't vote was Pipe.
6 voting with evils made me HURT
How can i get the achievements i have yet to complete on my screen like that too?
Imo the best choice for protecting N1 would be amnesiac. You can’t know for sure what tpow roles are in the game, but if an amne is in the game and can become that tpow role, it’s better to protect the amne over a tpow. Not only that, but the amne would then remember allowing you to protect them again
i feel like Oracle should be a Town Power.
Augh, noooooo...! You could've clutched the game by hanging one of the evils in the 2v1v1, and claiming that you were that theoretical second Shroud to throw some confusion into the mix instead of drawing in the aggro. Then protect the Jailor in that night, and finalize that 2v1 with a vote.
I'm so confused; why didn't you try to vote someone out when there were four of you and take the 50/50 for victory with the gaoler gaoling you to protect you?
i almost think
n1: jailor,
n2: self,
n3: jailor
is a pretty safe oracle bet every game
You could have won if you voted SK or SC on day 6 because you could have saved Jailor from the SK. Even if it was 2 Shroud and SK you could have won by voting the SK since Jailor can jail. Nice game anyways.
couldn't Pipe have won if they "gave Jest the win" especially if he was able to protect jailor the following night?
A tt oracle would go crazy
i think tt oracle can unironically heal evil roles from what ive seen in tuba's youtube channel
Well that was an interesting game
Mind games are real
If you voted 7 day 6 and 3 got jailed you could aegis jailor and win
he couldnt aegis jailor because he already did the night before
@theoneandonii he didnt
@@theoneandonii No.. He didn't Aegis anyone that night.
More proof that Jester is the best ti
oracle is the best town protect
N6 why not shield jailor?
I feel like it really shouldn't tell you who got attacked, just that you protected someone who was attacked. It's way too OP as is and very easy to confirm people.
As the person who won this mach i agree of the oracle being op :D
oracle + vigi would be op
Schrodinger's 12.
Pipe sold if he voted 7 jailor could’ve jailed 3 and pipe heal jailor and town win by voting
Just had a double oracle game yesterday. The role def needs s nerf if it isnt unique.
Can Jailor jail when they are out of execution? If so, Pipe and Jailor really did misplay there, they could have voted out 7 and then protected jailor when he jailed the SK
Is 10 evil in a game common? Holy...
Pipe ily but that ending was so painful, town easily could’ve won the game
Oracle best TI
Oracle gaming
I love chicken
I don't get it... with that final 4, you vote someone, Jailor jails someone, you protect them, then vote for the last evil. 🤦♂️
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Avery variant: 142
Blyte variant: 192
Bridget variant: 104
Brokk variant: 93
Catherine 'variant': 113
Davey: 110
Deodat variant: 149
Firebug 'variant': 72
Francisco: 144
Gerald variant: 146
Giles: 117
Glinda: 158
Grim variant: 10 🎉
Headless Horseman 'variant': 113
John variant: 204
Jack variant: 161
Jackie 'variant': 153
Jekyll variant: 47
Kande 'variant': 46
Krampus 'variant': 50 🎉
Liric: 138
Lupin variant: 119
Macy variant: 118
Mary variant: 162
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Nikki variant: 148
Petra 'variant': 41
Robert: 58
Rosemary 'variant': 67
Sabrina 'variant': 123
Samuel 'variant': 101 🎉
Shinrin 'variant': 59
Tomas: 33
Van Helsing: 23
Vladimir 'variant': 70 🎉
Oracle too op
Honestly every time I see the oracle silhouette I go "WHY IS YOUR HEAD SO ROUND⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️"
I mean I understand there being a new artist for the game but can you PLEASE try to get the anatomy more accurate? This honestly hurts more than when they changed the berserker silhouette (bring back juggy boi and give him a kickass fit please)
why does it tell who was attacked now? i don't remember that in the btos2 version, now the role is busted LOL
Day 75 of telling lies:
Ngl, I thought that Pipe choosing to protect ‘surv’ N5 was gonna be a misplay, but it surprisingly worked out. Who woulda thought maf would attack the surv claim there? Aegis best role in TOS1 fr
Spoiler alert about role
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Town is to evil
Only 5 townie :
You could’ve protected jailord n6
glad to see tos2 is taking notes from btos2.
one of the guys who mains BToS2 also works on ToS2, and it's improved the game a lot since then
"taking notes" they are cheating on the chest by reading off of their neighbors paper
@@TransTaey ik
You definitely could have won that if you voted
Such a evilsk
Can jailor not jail at all after they execute 3 evils?
Yes, but serial killer kills jailor if they get jailed but not executed
@oscarfernandez5599 pipe could have saved the jailor from jailed sk's attack
this was honestly a really weird pipe game tbh... throwing me off a lot....
21:12
I don't get the logic there. Dude pretty much didn't speak at all and voted innocent on obvious evils. There were only 5 townies and town still almost won. You didn't play the game. You just spectated it and hoped no vigilante shoots you.
Honestly idk how did i win that Game
I guess you said that to convince jailor, but I think people are more likely to give win to apoc now since they are alone. Funny enough SK wasn't alone
@@horsebreeder52 yeah It worked somehow
My youtube recap said im top 0.3% of your watchers
im so confused, after you and jailor both lived and you could barrier jailor again, you could have hanged either 3 or 7 then you can barrier the other and have 5 admit hes jailor so hes attacked. then its 2v1 and can win for town
this is a rare misplay by you tbh pipe
tos update is just better tos 2
pirate is just inquis
It’s better than it being RPS.
They killed off town of Salem 2 moblie
tbh you throw the game due to not voting 7
You misplayed badly on D6….
If you upped 7, hung them, jail
or could have held #3 in jail and you guys vote him out the next day for a town win.
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