Dialogue Dive: The Writing of Joker's Deleted Scene
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Joker had it all figured it out in seconds! The line “he admires you, or maybe... has a grudge against you”
Riddler hated Bruce but admires the Batman 😳 this dialogue is a masterpiece! I cant wait to see more of this Joker!
Exactly! Love this scene as it gets the character's dynamic super-right AND this entire movie already! Love this film so much!
“Why is he writing to me?”
“Maybe he’s a fan of yours? Or maybe he’s got a grudge against you too? Maybe you’re the main course? Any theories?”
“Not yet”
“Really? You’re normally so ahead of the curve.”
That a DELETED SCENE is more memorable and we'll constructed than most scenes in most superhero films, is indicative of how incredible the team behind this movie was.
EXACTLTY! This movie is a complete MASTERPIECE and I LOVE it to death for it!
I think the most impressive part of this scene, at least for me, is that I single-handedly went from "please no more Joker, we need a break," to "okay... I wanna see where you take this version."
But after that, take a break. Please.
Joker is going to be apart of the these movies but it seems like he's NOT gonna be the main villain at all. He's just living and lurking about in Gotham just like other Gotham villains, which I LOVE. But I agree I want to see MORE Batman villains and I hope Mr.Freeze takes center stage!
I just really hope we get to see more from villains like Victor Zsasz or maybe the owl court, Batman has a huge repertoire for so many opportunities 😭 I’ve always liked the joker but seeing so much wasted potential is a pain.
@@kassyyar97 exactly and I LOVE this world that Matt Reeves has made as I found The Batman to be a MASTERPIECE of a movie entirely! It’s a PHENOMENAL film all the way throughout and I hope to see more Batman villains in it in future films! Love this movie universe to death already!
@@kassyyar97 and something LIKE the court of owls WILL be apart of future Batman films seeing how there’s an conspiracy with a secret group of guys as Colson was threatened by them in the Batman movie already! LOVE this universe so much already as there’s so much to see!
@@Gadget-Walkmen yeah, I and think that's why I like it. He's there, but not such a focus that he'll hog the spotlight from other baddies.
Notice how both joker statements were correct: 1) Ridler was a fan of batman and 2) He had a grudge against him (Bruce Wayne).
Yeah, THAT’S why the scene was cut.
they cut it out as this scene basically spoils the ending of the dynamic of the Riddler AND the joker here. The scene is overall an over explanation of things to come, it’s STILL great tho and a fantastic scene regardless even when it got cut. THAT'S why it's a PERFECT scene as a whole! LOVE this movie as a whole as it’s MASTERPIECE easily!
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@@Gadget-Walkmen I personally disagree with that sentiment. I don’t feel it spoils anything but rather is clever foreshadowing. They are giving us two options behind the Riddler’s motives while throwing us off the third option…what if it’s both options (admires Batman/Hates bruce)
It’s kinda like Kevin Williamson did with the original scream 1996 (Spoilers below: avoid if you want to watch)
Throughout Scream they give us obvious clues that Billy or Stu is one of the killers, however what made that movie so unique was that it ended up being both of them. The audience were fooled because they expected Billy or Stu, but not Billy AND Stu
@@wesstewart2677 it also takes away focus from riddler and showcases there’s a bigger threat that people are more concerned about that isn’t going to be resolved in the movie at all which is of course, the joker.
The scene was too good. The characterization of the joker would have made the audience uninvested on the riddler.
Individually it qould have been the greatest scene in the movie but the overall movie would have suffered...
Hannibal Lecter Joker is a cool take. I'd like to see that being done in the second film building him up for when he's finally loose
That's a good take, different but spiritually the same.
@@bobmclovinelectricboogaloo I agree. The joker was able to get into people's minds as shown in the dark knight films.
@@kristopherhayes486 that’s shown in EVERY Batman story (comic/animation) that really understands how Batman and joker’s dynamic very well!
I immediately thought of the scene in Manhunter.
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That’s Exactlyyyy what I was thinking. Having the joker more in the back ground as a Hannibal lector type is absolutely incredible
I'd love the idea of Joker being a side villain rather than the main antagonist, we've seen him on the field but never on the sidelines
Would be an interesting spin
I mean there's suicide squad but I don't think it counts xDDDD
@@reelkyrie Let us forget this collective traumatic experience xd
@@benana2276 hahahahahaha
It's a good compromise. We get to see Joker exist in the universe while not having his presence overpower all the other rogues.
Joker really doesn’t fit as an appetizer.
Honestly, I get why this scene was deleted, and I’d be happy if Joker’s appearance was kept to a few fleeting cameos in this new series. But god damn, did Barry Keoghan fucking kill it in this performance.
100% agree
Well yeah, he'd have called way too much attention to himself, which would distract from the main antagonist, but still, I've heard that they may be planning a TV series with Barry's joker.
Exactly! Love this scene as it gets the character's dynamic super-right AND this entire movie already! Love this film so much!
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@@DanCreaMundos He'll be in the Arkham series
If you look very carefully, it seems like at least one of the paperclips is missing from the file when Batman takes it back at the end.
oh dear...😶
but you can’t see how many were there in the beginning?
@@YeOlGamer you can, the picture on the front of the file has two paperclips going in, one on the side and one on top, and only the one on top remains when the file goes back out.
I’m surprised nobody is talking about the fact that Joker stole a paper clip from the bundle of papers. Leads me to believe he might have a larger role in the trilogy than I’d hope, since it seems he’s hatching an escape plan.
I think if the plan is a trilogy the best course of action would be for Joker to be the main villain of the third film.
I’m getting major “fell into a vat of acid” vibes for Joker’s look this time. I bet that’s the anniversary he was talking about, maybe Batman even knocked him in like in the comics sometimes. Could be why they both seem to feel a connection to each other here. Hope they go full A Serious House on Serious Earth with it if they continue this continuity.
Matt Reeves said that he was born with his severely scarred skin and became the Joker because he felt, “alright, the joke’s on me. I’m gonna share that joke with the rest of the world!”
@@gdhuertas07 he only said he was born with a condition making him look like his smiling all the time. He said nothing about how his body got so disfigured.
Yeah I think Matt Reeves officially revealed that the Joker was born this way.
I think the anniversary is from when Batman either first fought him or locked him up
@@meciocio he said he had a negative reaction to it maybe he jumped into the vat of acid as a suicide attempt while being a criminal and Batman saved him?
Honestly, this made me appreciate the scene a lot more than I did the first time I watched it.
When I first saw this scene, I thought they were right to cut it. The film is very long, and other than introducing Joker, it doesn't add anything
Doesn't mean that introduction wasn't amazing, though. I'm glad they released it as a kind of bonus
I agree. The scene was cut probably because the Joker pretty much stated what the Riddler's motivations were, the fact that his crusade against the corrupt politicians was deeply personal, that he admires and was inspired by Batman, etc. Cutting this scene makes a whole lot of sense, because the impact of the revelations later on wouldn't have the same effect if the Joker had pretty much stated them outright 90 minutes earlier.
While I can understand why it was cut because it explained too much of what's to come, I LOVE the length of the film as it went by REALLY fast as not a single scene was not immersive as it was ALL entirely immersive and compelling throughout it's course! I would have LOVED it if the film was even LONGER than it was because of how engaging and compelling it all was. LOVE the how long the movie was because it made us VERY immersed into the dark world of Gotham by fleshing it out immensely! Loved this film so much!
It's great that this awesome scene wasn't wasted and fans got to see it. Wow. I am so excited for the sequel. Like I already can't wait and I saw the movie a week ago
Adds nothing? It gives away the entire plot.
I want this Joker to stay in the shadows until the very last moment, then he appears and commits an act so vile that every crime committed by other villains in this universe will pale in comparison…
Perhaps the death of a Robin?
This Joker definitely looks like the kind of psycho that would kill Robin without any hesitation. I hope they adapt elements of A Death in the Family for the third film.
@@halloweenfriday oh god if that happens it would be a terrifying moment in all of batman’s live action movies! I’ve always wanted to watch death in the family…
OR maybe… the killing joke! That, with this cast, with the same exact tension would be absolutely soul crushing.
Y'know, when I saw the Joker's design I really thought it was a bit much...seeing the scene and having the dialogue broken down like this, I'm actually pretty won over. This could be a really scary Joker, especially for a younger Batman.
Wouldn't say "could be a really scary joker", as this joker ALREADY is pretty chilling and terrifying from this one scene already.
Love this version of the joker and I’m excited for MORE The Batman films entirely!
There are some comic books where the Joker is depicted similarly (though with different details; I meant, a deformed or mutilated face, like something from a horror movie). Even worse, like a skinless face with skin used as a mask because he mutilated himself to put his face on Batman's face. In some cases, he doesn't mind being wounded if he finds a joke behind it. At least in Arkham Asylum (the comic book), he also seems to be a gay travesty with a deformed face.
@@PedroCouto1982 lol what? Joker is NOT a “gay travesty” AT ALL in the comic book of arkham asylum in the slightest. The hell are you going on about?
@@Gadget-Walkmen, you didn't read the book, you missed what I referred to or you read a censored version. He's effeminated, wears high heels, has long painted fingernails, made lewd comments about Batman, grabbed his butt, etc. Batman threatened Joker for being touched inappropriately. The characters are very different from the animated cartoons. Two-Face can't even decide if he should go to the bathroom and makes a mess. Instead of a coin, he used several other objects in a therapy. At the end, he made his own decision. Read the book.
[Added] I looked for information about it, and found it was tamed by censorship:
«(...) the Joker was to have been dressed in the conical bra worn by Madonna (...)
Warner Bros. objected to my portrayal on the grounds that it would encourage the widespread belief that Jack Nicholson (...) was a transvestite» (Grant Morrison - the writer - in Supergod, about the Arkham Asylum book, quoted in Screen Rant)
@@PedroCouto1982 missed that entirely. that’s crazy to think about but for new movie based on this clip, do you like this new look for the joker? I love the horrific grotesque look as it portrays him as truly messed up and chilling! Fantastic look of this new joker! Hope you like it as well!
Always wanted Batman and Joker to have a Will Graham/Lecter moment.
I really love the Hannibal-esque feel of this scene.
It’s not just Hannibal-esque. This entire scene is almost a copy and paste of when Will Graham went to see Hannibal Lector in Red Dragon, right down to him asking for pictures.
@@erikdayne5429 I also feel it matches several scenes where Will speaks to Hannibal in the BBC show
Yes!!!
*Cough*Ripped off the Long Halloween*Cough*
The entire movie is heavily inspired by old crime thriller movies, Silence of the lambs, Seven etc.
I didn’t even notice that the joker took the Paperclip when I first watched it.
Honestly, I don't think he did because if he truly did, it would have been important later on.
@@errwhattheflip I mean, the scene was cut
This is also a great scene for learning when to cut something for the good of the whole, because even with all the care and character present in the scene, it's entirely self contained and distracts from the rest of the movie. There's already half a dozen completely separate plot threads going at once, and adding the Joker is disconnected if you only have this scene, and muddles the movie if you make him more central.
This Joker looks like a solid successor to Heath Ledger's Joker, i.e. he is frightening even if completely disarmed, you can't threaten him, because he cares about nothing and noone and above all the evil he can commit, he will always chose the personal hell to Batman. This scene reminds me of the last interrogation of Blofeld in James Bond No Time to Die. There is a menacing, disfigured interrogation subject, but this scene has so much substance and suspension, in despite it pretty much doesn't have critical information and it ended on the floor of the cutting room.
I feel like Barry Keoghan is the LAST casting I'd expect for this specific role but he killed it
Come to think about it this is exactly what everyone said about Heath Ledger when he was casted
I saw Killing of a Sacred Deer and instantly thought he should be the next Joker so this casting is so satisfying to me. Even Saltburn has some very Jokerish beats
I do feel a little conflicted about this scene. On the one hand, I do really enjoy it, but on the other, I am happy that the rest of the movie stood by itself without it
“This is a. example of showing instead of telling.” I could not agree more, sir. The “show, don’t tell” commandment of storytelling is under-appreciated by many today. I am happy Matt Reeves is not one of them.
I rewatched like 3 times and I still didn't fully get wtf they mumbled there in the beginning. Thanks for the subtitles
Can't believe you didn't mention how similar this is to the introduction of Hannibal in The Silence of the Lambs
Love this version of the joker and I’m excited for MORE The Batman films entirely! This ENTIRE movie already, is a 10/10 MASTERPIECE! We have a batman movie where the best character in the film IS Batman/Bruce Wayne! Robert Pattinson is the BEST batman I've seen and he's PHENOMENAL as Batman AND Bruce Wayne entirely while still given him a new stylized look that's FANTASTIC to see! Love this movie to death as it's the BEST batman movie, felt like batman: the animated series BEAUTIFULLY brought to life with it's gorgeous Art Direction and aesthetics! MASTERPIECE of a film throughout!
Your effusiveness resonates with me. I'm been fixated on this film since its release. It just GETS the character and the source material in a way no film (and I mean NO film) ever has before. Best. Batman. Ever.
@@ElloMadamIamYourAdam EXACTLTY! This movie is a complete MASTERPIECE and I LOVE it to death for it!
I absolutely LOVE the fact that the Joker did NOT help Batman AT ALL with solving this case about the Riddler, essentially wasting Batman’s time with going to him and making Batman think he gained nothing from him, BUT Batman actually got something from this visit but it was something very negative as it was the Joker manipulating the Batman to look at his inner dark-side and see a more sinister view of the whole situation which makes you think Batman’s heart must have fell at this conversation as Batman saw something that he didn’t know about himself until spoken outloud by someone as demented as the Joker!
I LOVE that and that’s so Joker as he wants everyone to be twisted and messed up just like him!
Fantastic scene from a MASTERPIECE of a movie!
Its interesting as well, when you look at the structures of all the different jokers. I think this one might show the most potential for damage. Heaths was a criminal mastermind, a crazy genius. Nicklson's was a charismatic crazy, tongue in cheek yet still vicious. Even Leto's joker, a sort of gangster, stylish crazy. Someone it was hard to put your finger on what they would do next. I know many did not like him, but i thought the direction he took, showed some balls and made it his own. It would have been easy to go in and act like a previous version, but he dident do that, and i think that should be commended in some ways.
This joker however...He feels more like a rabid, mange riddled animal. I mean just look at him, patches of hair missing, his fingers all (seemingly) chewed up. His mouth, i would not be surprised if he chewed or cut off his own lips. If he will do those sorts of things, TO HIMSELF, just imagine what he would do to someone who pissed him off? And his calm psychotic tendencies, there is something so unnerving about someone who you know is fucking nuts, but talks calmly, almost softly, and worst of all, makes sense in many ways. It shouldent be, crazy does not mix with calm and collected, yet here he is, sitting chained and behind bars and glass, and still controlling the room. I could see this joker being the kind of person, who would cut off someone's body parts, just too see how many it takes too kill someone. And then, when he finished, would get someone new to try again too see if he could take more.
I appreciate your videos..as a writer improving, you’ve influenced the way I consume media and analyze content..thanks for the breakdown
I definitely didn’t notice some of these bits and pieces
I love the way the glass obscures his details, adds mystery to his hideous appearance.
This version of the joker had me when he says maybe he's a fan? Then laughs or a slight chuckle more of a holding in a belly laugh. And then when he says really? Then laughs again but this time he couldn't help himself cause the bat gave him what he wanted man I might like this joker
I am getting real death in the family vibes from this joker. Like i can see him serving faces on plates
I could too, but the faces on plates is from Death of the Family, not Death in the Family.
A video essay on a deleted scene... F**k, I love RUclipsrs like you!
I understand why they decided to delete this scene, but man, it's become my favorite Batman and Joker scene to date. It's just brilliant, and puts on display how great of a writer Matt Reeves is. Mattson Tomlin wrote a small piece of the film, and will be returning for the sequel. This is by far the best Batman movie we've ever had, in my opinion. And its not even close.
Awesome breakdown of the dialog my friend. New sub!
Your vids are always pick me ups in my day. Keep it up!
I love how your dialogue dives give so much to chew on!
I so appreciate your deep dives. Helps me with my own work. Thank you for the hard work.
I swear to God that I had straight chills watching this deleted Joker scene. I understand why it was cut from the final cut, but I was surprised at how the scene played out.
I seriously don't want to hear people complaining about Joker being "repetitive" or people being "fatigued" by "too much Joker".
How many times have we seen Batman or Spider-Man done in different ways? Where's the complaints for that? Nowhere to be found, because there isn't none.
Barry Keoghan as his version of the Joker creeped me out dearly (which is a good thing). Barry's version of the Clown Prince of Crime had everything I didn't know I needed: the hair, the eyes, the voice, the laugh, the smile (which is the result of his birth defect), everything was picture-perfect.
Hell, the look of Keoghan's Joker looks like someone who has survived being burned in a vat of chemicals (even though Matt Reeves has stated that it isn't the case with this version).
This version of the Joker has got massive potential for future projects. I can't wait to see more of this Joker (hopefully NOT in The Batman movie sequel).
I like the idea that the Joker has already figured out the Riddler was inspired by Batman, but instead of saying it he taunts Batman about how similar they are
Dude I love all your video you really help me as a writer
Much like ths scene existing, this is a surprise!
This is really excellent analysis
"You're normally so ahead of the curve"? :sarcastically laughs:
Did I hear that right? Kind of a play on one of Heaths lines maybe?
So glad I found this channel 🔥 more Batman/superhero content please 🙌🏽
I love how you want us not just to watch your videos but also create and learn from them. Thank you for real.
Awesome analysis, really great insight
I think vigilantism needs to be approached in a more serious manner and I hope these new Batman movies show that.. perhaps a past scene of Batman losing control and ruining Joker's face due to his emotional immaturity.. showing that perhaps romanticization is dangerous, and while Batman is a "professional", he still makes dire mistakes.
Lol what? What your saying makes no sense as this movie already SHOWS that Batman being a “vigilante” is ALREADY super dangerous enough from all the stuff that Batman has gone through in this movie alone. What your saying isn’t needed at all with this idea of Batman “losing control” NOR this false idea that he’s “ruined the joker’s face due to his emotional immaturity”, that’s nonsense as “vigilantism” in the movie is already seen as super dangerous as Batman has HEAVY conflict with the cops and how they don’t trust him at all, as WELL as Batman getting into massive dangerous stunts like jumping off the police tower with his bat suit glider and crashing down hard on the way down showing how dangerous ALOT of this vigilante work truly is as by having things not always work out in the end!
This movie ALREADY shows that which you missed out on as vigilantism is ALREADY approached in a VERY serious manner right off the bat in this movie!
What you’re saying is pretty standard and basic for Batman as he ALWAYS goes through “dire mistakes” when he starts off AS the Batman, and this movie showcased that perfectly fine enough!
@@Gadget-Walkmen I agree. Also it looks like this Joker was knocked into that vat of acid by this Batman before becoming the Joker. So there will be more examples of how vigilantism can create problems and Batman making mistakes in this series.
I don’t think Joker’s messed up face was a result of Batman brutalizing him. Like Matt Reeves said this is a Joker born with an agonizing disease that gave him that permanent smile across his face, that same disease might’ve caused all those horrible rashes and hair loss. Sure Batman might’ve hit him in the face once or twice but not enough to scar him that much
@@rhetiq9989 well whatever the reason, this joker still looks amazing!
Hmmmm that sounds like a good plot line that the joker is of his own doing.and what if he already has been shitted on his whole life batman might've been the catalyst to send him over the edge no pon intended
The moment I saw he went to joker for advice I was LIKE wtf U doing batman
The quality of the cutting room floor man
When I saw this scene couple days ago, this channel was the first thing I thought about
Excellent video
Amazing analysis !
Getting major Will Graham meeting Hannibal Lecter from Manhunter vibes in this scene.
Same here!
“This is very upsetting to you.”
“Let’s get back to him.”
“Why? You’re so much more fun!”
“That’s interesting.”
“No, it’s not. You thought of it before.”
“I considered it.”
“You came here to look at me, didn’t you? To get the old scent back?”
I think we’ll see more of this character in the HBO spin-offs he might make another cameo appearance. I think the Court of Owls or Mr. Freeze will be the next Gillian
love your content
Flawless breakdown
I would love if you could do a dialogue dive on the Riddler interrogation in the Batman. I love that scene, and there's so much going on. I'd love to hear your perspective on that dialogue!
This feels more like a short film.
I love this version of Joker because he seems to be the perfect synthesis of the animated/Arkham Joker and the Heath Ledger Joker.
At his core, he still yearns for that beastial authenticity in people and will worm his way into your head to get it, but he's also the completely insane comedy from tragedy Joker of the past that you could totally see throwing a pie laced with acid or something cartoonishly evil like that
My fav part of this scene is the most ppl miss, but joker steals a paper clip from those folders
Maybe he can use it as toothpick for later use
I like how Joker is completely right in his assessment
basically a joker in a deck. Whatever role that needs to be filled he's there. That's why he's the balancing act.
this actually made me like the scene more. love that analysis.
This joker is the nightmare that haunts dreams.
Really cool and insightful
I understand why the scene was deleted but that was no small sacrifice. Thank you for the video, I’m starting a screenwriting class soon and I don’t think I know how to get the dialogue to mesh with my visions yet
Didn’t like this scene at first but now I understand it better I’m really starting to appreciate this joker. Hopefully in the future we can see maybe a serious house on serious earth or Arkham Asylum type Asylum hijacking, I think it would fit this joker well. That or some really horrendous crime like in death in the family or the killing joke. Really excited to see what Matt does.
Wow great analysis. 😃
This is a different way to meet the joker in a movie before seeing him again in a different movie and this is to show that batman has done a better job getting the joker sooner just how good he is at getting the joker that he is better than you think
Really nice. Thanks.
I always thought, because we're not certain of where in the timeline he goes to joker for his perspective, when asked if he had leads batman replies he has none this was a lie to let joker think he had the upperhand in the exchange.
Not hugely important, brilliant video.
I could see this Joker being in most projects but as a way to build to a conclusion much like maybe Arkham Asylum whether the book or the game. Joker somehow taking control over the "mad house" and forcing Batman to really put to the test everything he's learned and to truly see what he'll do to win even when he's being talked to as if he should be in there too. The whole part where he tells Batman that he and the Riddler are so similar and he knows exactly how he thinks really hits the nail on the head of what I want this jokers big moment to be about. He's not trying to necessarily break Batman's moral code and get him to kill but more so trying to get him to realize that he's just as crazy as they are
This joker needs to remain in prison for the next movies, mostly because it would give him time to plan and bide his time untill his actual appearance. It gives him the chance to not only befriend and study other villains, but also serves as strategy, since Batman came once to talk, he might show up again whenever a new weird case happens
Staying on Arkham also gives the joker the possibility of controlling the facility like he does in some depictions, that is, he is free to come and go as he pleases, but decided to stay in order to lure Batman there from time to time, untill he is ready to strike
I explained to is seen to my girlfriend for like half an hour. Such a powerful scene and the dialogue is truly incredible. Matt Reeves laid out an amazing chemistry between Batman n joker in this new run of Batman movies. Can’t wait to see more of Barry’s joker!
Great video
gReAt vIDeO
Doofus.
Can you do a dialogue dive into the Knightmare scene in Zack Snyder’s justice league? Primarily the encounter between Ben Affleck’s Batman and Jared Leto’s Joker. I didn’t like Jared Leto in Suicide Squad but I really liked his portrayal and interactions with Batfleck in the Snyder Cut.
Edit: Also a great video btw. Wasn’t trying to sound ungrateful.
My god this is so good
Looks like people either love or hate this scene, hardly anything in between.
This is actually my first time seeing this scene impressive.
If you look very carefully, one of the paperclips on the notes is gone when Batman takes the folder back.
That Jared Leto Joker "Hunka Hunka" gets me every time bro 😂😂
I saw the scene literally minutes before this video and now hearing how the Joker manipulates Batman into opening up… Oh My GAWD! 😱😱
Please do more batman content. This video was interesting
I do hope that this scene is included in a home video release
I was hoping someone would do an analysis over this scene
great video good job
I hope we barely get joker in movie 2 again. I hope we get another reconstruction of villains we dont usually see on the big screen or havent seen in a while, with Joker still locked up. And then in third, we get Matt Reeves take on Arkham Asylum with Joker as the lead Antagonist.
I’m interested to see if Joker will have a bigger role in the sequel or if he’ll be the main villain.
I hope he isn't! It's been too gosh damn long for DC to not take a page out of Marvel's book: don't come out with the biggest villain ever right off the bat (no pun), edge the audience/build anticipation. Make us beg for it!
@@rappadapp Recently, I had the idea of dark magic artifacts sold by stores as products. Has this been done before? You're right. For the sequel, I want to see villains we haven't gotten or villains who haven't gotten a proper portrayal.
Joker is going to be apart of the these movies but it seems like he's NOT gonna be the main villain at all. He's just living and lurking about in Gotham just like other Gotham villains, which I LOVE. But I agree I want to see MORE Batman villains and I hope Mr.Freeze takes center stage!
@@Gadget-Walkmen Yeah. It’s a shame the only live-action film to feature Mr. Freeze was Batman and Robin all the way back in 1997. There’s a lot of potential with him in movies and Reeves would do a great job with him.
@@d.j.mulcahy1657 EXACTLY!! I would LOVE to see more Mr.Freeze properly presented as I LOVE his tragic character, no more Ice puns tho.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeee this was excellent!
Both of the Joker dialogue dives are among my favorite videos from you, any chance of a dive from Joker?
Would love it if you covered the scene from ManHunter that this is based on.
This joker needs some god damn subtitles
That’s just pure and unadulterated truth.
Barry Keoghan gave off huge Heath Ledger vibes during this
What I love is that this relationship isn't "We're two sides of the same coin." Instead it's basically Hannibal Lector's "I'm a fucking psychopath so I know one when I see it", then proceeds to call out Batman for being just as psychotic as the Riddler, foreshadowing the whole "I'm vengeance" twist, which honestly would've probably spoiled too much before the climax.
The deleted scene doesn't undermine Batman. It confirms Batman which is why he lied about not having a theory. That's what Detectives do, they form objective motives based on subjective opinions. This is why Joker was teasing the Batman is always ahead of the curve, joker knew he was BSing him. He also got under Batman's skin by pointing out that Batman thinks Riddler is right but that's not what Batman does, he finds justice regardless what his subjective opinion is. In the books, Batman never expresses his opinion about a crime, he focuses for the why not the how. Like the young boy that he will always be, why did my parent die, why couldn't I stop it. The joker doesn't care on the why he just does, motives are just excuses which is why the Bat and the Clown are polar opposites.
So your saying it was okay for the joker to cuck him at the be hest of the riddler. Not to mention Joker basically figures out the movie; this takes away from a Batman’s paranioa somewhat that he think Riddler believe he’s Bruce, and even if he doesn’t it takes away from Riddlers scene because from Jokers dialogue we can gauge where the scene is headed.
@@XaldinX I agree, as I've already stated this scene detracts from the movie's reveal, but this scene isn't about what the Joker knows and immediately figures out. It's about the Joker knowing what Batman already knows and he calls him out on it. Not only does he calls Batman's bluff, Joker gets under Batman's skin by putting thoughts in his head that the Riddler might right. When it comes to great story telling, the villian never realizes that he's the villian. The difference with this Joker, He knows he's the villian and loves being one.
I had the same thought about the Joker knowing Batman was BSing him on the spot. Like Will Graham and (Brian Cox) Hannibal Lector in “Manhunter.”
“That’s interesting.”
“No, it’s not. You thought of it before.”
@@lukenorth7127 Yeah, Joker saw right through that BS and retaliated with making fun of him saying that he's afraid Riddler making him look soft. Pretty brilliant quips between the both of them. The gist that Joker doesn't care what Batman is asking him and more interested into getting under Batman's skin makes this scene classic canon to the dynamics of their relationship with each other. I can see this version of Batman and Joker performing an adaptation of the Killing Joke and it being a very dark drama with extremely morbid sense of humor added in.
disappointed this scene was deleted. Would be curious about your thoughts on why it was deleted, savage
Probably because the Joker pretty much stated what the Riddler's motivations were, the fact that his crusade against the corrupt politicians was deeply personal, that he admires and was inspired by Batman, etc. Cutting this scene makes a whole lot of sense, because the impact of the revelations later on wouldn't have the same effect if the Joker had pretty much stated them outright 90 minutes earlier.
@@ajiththomas2465 a little heavy handed foreshadowing never killed any stories. ☺️
@@darrenskeeter4246 unless you're not trying to be heavy-handed.
This was an excellent breakdown of the scene and I found a lot of the points you made to be points I found as well when watching the scene.
But I wanted to know how you felt about the theatrical release of the movie itself? Did you like it? Did you not like it?
I Hope we get a killing joke storyline in this timeline of events maybe as an end to the Patterson batman
I like this video, it made me realize that this deleted scene established Joker as I always knew him; a really smart psycho.
Please do another video on The Batman
Dang, an update on Savage Speaks and a new post immediately after? Dang Savage, you’re spoiling us. 😁