When I was a student in the 70's and 80's, people would walk up to me offering photo tips. They meant well but I got tired of being bothered. I had the suspicion that the Minolta brand name was calling them in as I had to be poor and in need of help. On a lark, I taped over all the brand identifiers of all my equipment. I noticed that when people got close enough to notice they couldn't ID my equipment they would back off and walk away.
@@snappiness I've met camera snobs over the years who never heard of Leica, or Zeiss,etc. They usually recognize canon and Nikon. I'd go with a fake Nikon sticker!
@@amermeleitor my favorite Minolta lens of the era was the 45 f2. That thing was razer sharp. After over studying everything, I eventually upgraded to Pentax 6x7 for almost the whole of the film era - no regrets.
Minolta made some amazing cameras and lenses and they were often trailblazing new features. The X-300 / X-500 / X-700 were some of my favourite SLRs ever!
Photographer goes to a dinner party. Hostess greets him at the door and says, “Oh you’re the photographer. You take such beautiful pictures, what camera do you use?” Photographer smiles politely. At the end of the evening the Photographer thanks the hostess and compliments her on the delicious dinner. Then he asks her, “what oven do you use?”.
I think we are at a point where most modern cameras are good enough. If the picture is sharp, well exposed and has enough megapixels for your needs you're golden. Many things like colors or framing can be fixed in post.
Yep! You can make any image look like it was taken on pretty much any other camera. As much as I hate to admit that as someone who loves to tinker with various cameras 😁
@@thepirateshoots I think this has been retroactively true for a long time now due to people mostly sharing photos on social media. When I tried to upload my full X-T3 (26.1MP) files to Instagram, it rejects them. You have to scale them down or crop them. Even then, they get very compressed once they get sent to the severs and then uploaded to your profile. I firmly believe anything over 12MP is going to be basically indistinguishable on social media and I bet no one would notice if you shot on a 6MP sensor. People are generally very surprised to know that 4k (UHD) is "only" 8MP, which means the average person don't even have an 8MP monitor. I just shoot the cameras that I find enjoyable megapixel count has slowly fallen to near the bottom of my list of things to consider when buying a camera.
Definitely true, though while I always shoot RAW for the flexibility, if the camera supports it, I will do RAW+JPG, and I do care how easy it is to just take a jpg and publish or print vs having to go into lightroom and tweak a bunch. (Which is why I am addicted to buying older cameras, mostly though with CCD as for daytime (and that is an important note lol) shooting, they get closer to what I like. I also have a fantastic Panasonic S1R that is 42MP and tack sharp, but I don't always want that :)
If you go look on 500px at the 5d mk I or II and sort by editors picks there's photos that are better than anything I'm likely to ever produce even if I was handed an a7RV. In fact, I think newer cameras have made some bad photographers. I see popular RUclipsrs who do "street portraits" they literally just find an attractive girl on the street, set their 50 1.4 to wide open and use eye AF and snap a photo with little or no posing or direction or concern for lighting. Then they throw an ugly and totally inappropriate preset on it and for some reason people enjoy watching this? Biggest mistake new photographers make is thinking it's about capturing the light with the best equipment possible where pro photographers know it's far more important to craft or use the light to make the image and the camera is simply the last step in grabbing the scene you've created
I can't think of any dish that literally cannot physically be made by a normal budget pan. That is most definitely not true for photos. A cheap 15-85mm f/4.5 kit lens physically cannot take a super shallow depth of field, highly compressed perspective portrait. It does not matter how good you are, it cannot, period. Nor can it on a micro 4/3 sensor as well as being f/4.5 take photos in a dark concert venue without absurd levels of noise. If that's your gear, you CANNOT shoot that concert. I don't care if you're Ansel Adams' genetically engineered hyper clone, you can't.
@@gavinjenkins899 99% of good photographs are good because of their composition, lighting, subject, not because it was made with Leica. If the only good thing about a portrait is a shallow depth of field - it is not a good portrait.
@@glorphindale Please re-read my comment and notice that at no point did I say anything about a Leica. I did however give two simple, common examples of things that are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE with bad gear, no matter how good of a photographer you are. You obviously had no rational counter to either of them, which is why you had to make up some fake nonsense out of nowhere to pretend to shoot down instead. At least bow out with some dignity.
I want to say something a little off-topic, but I feel you should know: thank you for respecting my time as a viewer by keeping this and other videos on the shorter side without being superficial. So many prominent photography RUclips channels would have taken this topic and made it into a frickin 45-minute documentary. And it's quite likely I would have skipped it entirely. Cheers, and keep up the good work! //Rick
This is a big reason why I wish Samsung had stuck in the camera game. They make sensors and could have mixed things up quite a bit. The more companions you have involved the better competition and usually that means more advancements.
even if they stuck with the budget cameras like your fixed lens point and shoots or even made 3rd party lenses that would be amazing, they make awesome storage devices as it is now imagine a lens for you EF mount Canon
I have two cameras with the same Sony sensor. One is a Sony, one is a Pentax. I've had the Sony for about three years but I've been shooting Pentax DSLR for about 13 years. I much prefer the Pentax colours. Last year I talked to another photographer who has always shot with Canon, and he loves their colours. Verdict: It's what you are used to. Mostly. But there's also what you like to shoot, the sort of person you are, the photos you've seen that have influenced you. Nothing wrong with the colours from my Sony, mind.
I don't know. Even shooting Sony I like Canon and Nikon colors the most. Canon RAW is easier to edit, the pleasant colors are like embedded in the RAW. Nikon RAW is more "raw" than Sony and Canon ones and have more latitude to stand more edition. It take more time to edit Sony pictures than Canon ones in my case. But Sony have other practical advantages. I'm used to Sony, but like Canon and Nikon the most, because different reasons
@@snappiness Sony is pretty good with colors now, but just when they started with CMOS and for a few years, it was the most uninspiring colors for me at least.
I gave up on my pentax dl because it had difficulty focusing , particularly in low light, but when I look back at old photos of my grandchildren I still find photos taken in good light with the Pentax blow me away.
I have a habit of grabbing any cheap oddball digital cameras I can find and challenging myself to get results. I’ve found that the possibilities are basically endless as long as I can change at least ISO. Have had many people not even realize the cameras I use if it wasn’t for me documenting it in my captions. It’s a fun way to remind myself that gear doesn’t matter nearly as much as many people think.
Me to it’s so much fun! Reminds me of the happy snaps when I was a kid. Old digital and film + instant and instant on old fi cameras have got me to love photography again….. film prices not so much 😂
I have the Sony A7S but I don't think I'd tell you I have it for superior colors. To me its a versatile beast, able to mount lots of vintage lenses easily, shoots clean at ISO 3200, and is a relatively small form factor. I'm even running a Kipon focal reducer on it, giving it 535 medium format equivalency.
Totally agree. For me, the olympus cameras have the colours and feels that i like. But it feels rediculous that people will insult a photo because of the camera body, every camera brand has produced an amazing image at some point. I've started taking a lot of pleasure in doing night photography on micro 4/3, because most reddit and youtubers love to pretend its impossible to get a good image, then I post it without mentioning the camera ;)
Excellent video. That's the same argument that pushed me to put aside my newer DSLR and to use old 6MP CCD Nikon cameras as a test proof that DSLR, even 6MP, can get the job done if you take daylight photos for Instagram. I couldn't see a difference because Instagram compress all images anyway no matter if it is 60MP or 6MP, you get the same output. Of course I won't be able to crop but it will force me to make better composition because those old cameras are limited (max 400 ISO, no low light without flash, no crop). That's what is important : learn to make good composition. Photographers back in the day did make banger photos with those old cameras. Then why not today because they take the same pictures as before
"What camera did you use?" "I don't remember, I own and use cameras and lenses from pretty much all the manufacturers, and sometimes I mix and match gear."
That is one of the reasons why the Leica M9 is still so loved and sought after. Aside from other things that contribute to the "look" of the final photo, like the image processor, the various algorithms that determine how light information is interpreted, etc, it has a very rare sensor. It's CCD, for one. It's a CCD made by Kodak. That Kodak CCD is full frame. That full frame Kodak CCD does not have an anti-aliasing filter on it. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other camera that shares that same sensor setup.
And other Leica cameras that aren't made in conjunction with Panasonic (so, higher end Leica's) do use another sensor supplier than Sony, so they are unique even today in that regard. That's awesome though. Hear great things about the M9.
As you mentioned there are a lot of factors that could/should go into a camera selection decision, but I was recently pleasantly surprised at how much of a 'wow' factor I was seeing using my Sony A7 with a Voigtländer APO lens on it. ONE of the reasons I bought the Sony was because I wanted to adapt different lenses to it , but I am leaning toward selecting the camera to fit the lens I want to use.
It’s like the time I was at an air show and the Canon 80D shooter beside me said looking at my photos on the K70 “not bad for a little camera” he then knowingly tapped his 80D and said “you should upgrade to a FF camera like this” I didn’t have the heart to tell him it wasn’t FF let alone that technically my sensor was bigger. Not that it mattered he was happy with his camera
Last year a random photographer asked me what camera I was using and when I told him I was using a Pentax K-3 all he said was “oh.” And then proceeds to say that he is using the newest entry grade dslr from some random well known brand with a smile. Same thing happened to my Fuji. Lol! In my place not a lot of people ask what brand of camera I am using, they just ask me to take a photo of then and their family only because they saw me carrying a camera. :)
Love him or hate him something very valuable I learned from reading Ken Rockwell is that even with a broken camera if you are serious about photography you will do something good for yourself. Other thing I learned is that exotic specifications are less meaningful that finding out what is your personal style, and just get the best tool for that style. I know DSLR's are objectively better cameras than my aps-c compact digital cameras, and my film cameras, but with DSLR I wouldn't feel like having joy but working.
I've been shooting Pentax professionally for 35 years. I also shoot Sony (mostly for video clients). Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, but Pentax build quality, ergonomics, and image quality are second to none...even with that goofy Sony sensor inside, LOL. Great video and channel! Keep inspiring us!
Your Nikon E8400 with the battery grip, wowza! I need that for mine! And btw, while some might compare sensors, how about comparing cameras that you have to reset the date/time/metering/etc every time you need to recharge the battery, like the E8400?? I think whatever charge that camera used to hold during battery recharges seems to have died on mine.
I sold it because I needed to trim down my collection and I had the least lenses for it, but the K-1 is a *fantastic* camera. The SOOC colors are beautiful, with blues and reds being especially punchy and lovely. The grip is one of my all-time faves and the body is so rugged. I still have minor regrets about selling it, but I hope it ended up with someone who appreciates it. Anyone who tells someone else they have a "bad camera" is just an idiot and an a-hole. End of story.
When I take photographs of flowers with one of my mirrorless cameras and I am using the natural light available I normally use a tripod. I always set the white balance to custom kelvin and compare the subject to what I see on the screen, then adjust the temperature to make them as close as possible followed by a bit of tweaking of the colour cast too. However it is often impossible to get it perfect even then.
Good job! Because that’s like essentially asking what stove/oven cooked your meal in reply, as opposed to giving credit to the cook who prepared it. Now, more specifically: - camera default settings vary between companies, the level of camera, and the features/capabilities made available, or not, such as the custom image mode default setting and inherent colour variance and tonal preferences within them also influenced by the Program Line selection if used or even available. - the same applies to white balance. No two brand cameras and arguably some models within brands render the same white balance due to the variance of preferences for colour (such as PENTAX colours green, blue and red) and within image modes and other settings including file type JPEG, RAW proprietary and /or RAW DNG, including RGB versus sRGB. RGB is a larger colour gamut. sRGB is a muddier colour rendition. RAW post processing software also varies in colour rendition, gradation, and white balance, including whether you can fully maximize the benefit of a particular companies image engine design and particular unique capabilities such as PENTAX PIXEL SHIFT. Post processing software options may not have the full lens database from which to glean the optical properties, coatings and capabilities that tie into the full camera working capabilities. - the Sony sensor in the K-1 and K-1 Mark II on paper is the same as the one used in the Nikon D850. But I can tell you as a former PENTAX rep the sensors are in fact different made to different specs in accordance to colour, gradation, dynamic range, and proprietary specifications respective of different image engines and lens properties. - If you look at the limited lenses such as the FA 77mm you will find it was designed to render it’s own unique version of white like that of the quality of ivory white coloured button on a shirt. White is not an absolute. Similar lens depiction intents and lens sensibilities exist in the other limited lenses, including the new HD D FA 21mm AW Limited. - the emphasis has become about specs, numerical values and absolute sharpness as a measure of what’s good or better. But this makes for a white and blank, a 2 dimensional rendering, like the pursuit to achieve absolute focus foreground to background. And thus we become conditioned to work in post and rely on AI algorithms making the camera and secondary in importance. - the lens is the critical element of choice, as is knowing how to utilize the capabilities inherent within the designer’s intended depiction and the uniquenesses and capabilities inherent within the full gamut of a particular camera manufacturer’s offering. - It all goes together and the purpose and biggest challenge is to devise a product that keeps the user’s eye on the subject, inspired, enthralled, and creatively inspired; connected to the subject and environment working seamlessly and intuitively, not in the way. That is the legacy of PENTAX and the emphasis on the optics, the glass, the coatings, colour rendition and sensibilities that are not always quantifiable or numerical. - I’ll point out that there is a difference between the era of film cameras and digital cameras: Film cameras relied on film selection and development in the way of chemistry and paper to render colour and tone and texture. Including white balance and the addition of filters, or bulbs for correction. Yes, lens coatings determined contrast and sharpness, and reduced ghosting and such. However, with the advent of digital, camera and lens manufacturer’s had to assume the role that film played in representing light in gradation, dynamic range, light sensitivity tonality and grain, white balance, even devising metering and focus systems that include colour in subject, scene, and colour identification and rendering. And the glass and coatings play a greater role in this dynamic and interconnectivity. It’s not as simple as the name and origin of the sensor. - PENTAX also made a limited version of the FA 43mm Limited lens for Leica! - My point is connect the dots and see why the emphasis is on the glass, and why the optical remains a constant, the backbone of PENTAX. The colour is inherent within the optical as it extends through the image engine, custom image modes and program lines. There is a reason PENTAX RAW files are cleaner saving the photographer a lot of time in post. - at the end of the day the best camera is the one that melds in the background second nature to the user’s creative path.
Salute and respect from Ontario, Canada! Thanks God I have not met any person on a trail or at any destination who looked down upon me or my gear (Pentax). On the contrary, several photographers expressed their excitement on seeing someone using Pentax. Some of them are good people and we frequently meet each other on trails.
arguably oneof the best consumer camera sensors yet produced, is the Toshiba one, found in the Nikon D7200 DSLR - that sensor still performs right at the top!
I chose my Camera based on my lenses. When I started my photography hobby I wanted to shoot on film. I got a Minolta 7000 with a few lenses for cheap and I really like that camera. And because I now have Minolta A-Mount lenses I bought a fitting sony camera.
I'm old enough to remember when a certain subset of photographers looked down their noses at people who used 35mm film, rather than using 'proper' cameras shooting either 6x6 or 6x7cm on roll film. "Full frame" isn't some Platonic Ideal dictated by the laws of physics, it's a compromise that allowed the production of portable and adequately ergonomic cameras for shooting film, but resulted in some professional cameras that were more cumbersome than a medium format body (think an EOS1 telephoto set up vs a Hasselblad portrait camera). All cameras are a compromise to some extent. There's a reason we aren't all shooting "full frame" (5 x 4", like Ansel Adams for landscape, or Arthur Fellig for "street").
Imo the only thing that really matters about cameras these days is if you enjoy shooting with it and if you like how the camera feels in your hands, if it fits you and your style of shooting. There is no objectively best camera for everyone. Just find the one you like and go with it :)
My understanding is that the way camera sensors are made is very similar to any kind of computer silicon. For example, your graphics card, both current generation Nvidia and AMD graphics cards are made by the same company, TSMC. But that doesn't mean they are the same. They are architecturally very different and thus perform differently under different circumstances. I think it's just Sony manufacturers most sensors because they have the machines and experience to do so. I assumed that different companies designed their own sensor architecture, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Also I shoot Foveon (thanks to you bringing it to my attention) so my sensor is apparently manufactured by a company called Dongbu Electronics, which is, as far as I know, not owned by Sony.
I believe we can ALL agree the "my camera is better" crowd almost ALWAYS have a Sony or Canon around their neck. Prove me wrong. 🤣 That said, when I was camera sales guy at both Ritz and Samy's Camera in L.A., I would tell my customers, "if you were to give five people the exact same pots and pans, the exact same ingredients with a step by step recipe, what do you think will happen? will the five dishes come out the same?"
I mean both those companies do make objectively “better” cameras. Its like saying the messi and cr7! Crowd always say they are better than the rest. They just are. Doesnt mean pentax isnt viable.
True enough. The output of most cameras can be manipulated to do whatever you want so what separates them for me is how I use them practically. Even lens choice is not so much of a factor these days but how it feels in your hands, where the controls are and how easy the menu is to access those are the things that separate one from another in my eyes. Oh, and auto focus... damn. Still love my Pentax gear though. 😉
This is a big part of the reason I never identify my cameras online, and strip the brand info from my EXIF data. The only person that needs to know that is me.
Yes had this many times. Sometimes the person is jokingly mean, sometimes they are seriously mean, sometimes they are pleasantly shocked and continue with praise. A good test or idea for a video perhaps would be to try the same but with RAW files colour calibrated. I watched a video or two about this (but there are not many about) and tried it myself. I tried to colour match my K-1, 645D and XT4 and it was interesting to say the least. In theory they should all broadly look the same, however the 645D (despite Xrite confirming a successful profile) could not actually get a successful profile, the colours were WAY WACKY (must be a CCD thing). Which then only left the K-1 and XT4, to which I felt the XT4 would still retain a kind of magenta tint (so much for X Trans sensors being renown for accurate colours!). K-1 I felt looked the most accurate and neutral.
@@snappiness Yeh I don't know if you can colour calibrate those specific CCD sensors, my 645D failed (but out of the box it seems to have the best colour accuracy of the lot). But it is interesting to see that there are still differences that I don't think are down to user error or whatever but actual sensor differences.
I have a Canon M6 mark II. I always hear from others that I should get a new "R" series camera. Why? I have all the lenses I need. I have a 32MP camera that takes good pictures. It didn't cost more than my car like a "R" series camera. Getting good results from what you have is what it should be about.
@@slampest r6 ? You meant the m6 ? , yeah m6 is unfortunately a mid lvl camera, wish they had time to release atleast an entry fullframe M or a flagship Apsc M
5:10 I remember getting my first lens over $80 for my camera (ef-s 55-250mm) and being surprised by how contrasty it was compared to my budget Yognuo primes. Since then one of my favorite things to do with a new lens is compare the look to some of my other lenses and get a feel for its effect on colors and contrast.
well that is partly because the 55-250 is a DAMNED sweet lens!!! shoots way way above its belt so to speak. those couple of compact lenses canon made where just really nice for the dollar.
Your camera IS better than mine! I started out on pentax in the early CCD era. Been wanting a K-1 since forever! I'm invested in Nikon though, since I wanted a Full-Frame. So making the switch back to Pentax now isn't as easy...
The Sony IMX410 is used in anything from the a73 to the Leica SL-2S yet the images are not the same, there's a lot more to how the software interprets the data took down by the sensors, it's truly fascinating.
Ignore consumer snobs. If I have a complaint about any camera, it is the weight and size. I like smaller, lighter cameras. I find mirror-less easier to focus manual lenses then SLR's. I have both and enjoy both, including my K-1
My favorites include some of the Samsung cameras with their own sensors, the Nikon 1 with the Aptina sensor. Not 'better' but I like the colours produced for certain subjects with these sensors. Gone are the days when I just have a film camera and pop in different makes of films for certain looks - Simpler times.
I like how simple the films are. You dont have settings it's just one "preset" and you just work within it. However any good photo lab will be able to change things even in a darkroom print so the colors dont matter to get ultra precise.
While having the same sensor model name, the sensor in the F828 is very different to the version in the other two cameras. The F828 has a different bayer filter. The 4 color RGBE has cyan filters in it which produces better blues and yellows, but the differences are often subtle, sometimes large.
One sensor maker to rule them all! Cameras are all image making tools (very powerful). Our feelings make us feel like our cameras are the best. Yet how many YT videos are about photogs changing systems ALL of the time. Ugh. Let's just shoot more and create more beautiful images and videos. Cheers! ❤❤❤
i heard pentax but never use them, cuz nobody use it. in dslr era, i jus use canon/nikon and mirrorless era im using sony rn cuz have huge catalog of lens and is fit for my job as videographer. interesting to see people using less known brand and have great shot.
Ha ! Gottem ! Currently shooting with a Nikon D700 that had its sensor made by Panasonic (and was pretty much the last Panasonic sensor to ever go into a Nikon camera before they switched to Sony) Also, it is quite funny to see how camera sensors are made and developped. Typically, pretty much all the sensor out of Nikon latest cameras (so the 24MP sensor out of the Z6 line, the 45MP sensor out of the Z7 / D850 and the Z9 45MP stacked sensor) are designed by Nikon, and made by Sony Semiconductors. But those are not Sony designs at all like it used to be (the same sensor being put in a lot of cameras, like for example, the A7/D600 sensor were almost the same model, and the sensor in D800/A7R/K1 were also basically the same sensors that camera makers just ended up picking off Sony's catalogue) The "we have a special sensor" thing really kicked off though, and it seems that every brand is really pushing the fact that they designed their own sensor and that their sensors are diffrerent from the others. Nikon have their own designs, I can't think of any camera that they sell that has a common sensor with a camera from Sony (except maybe on the low en APS-C stuff, where they didn't bother to invest much developing time), Fujifilm also use their own designs and even went as far a using different color filters array with X-Trans (interestingly, Sony made it but never used it in their own APS-C cameras, and the 26MP BSI sensor that was introduced in the X-T3 ended up in the Pixii camera, just with a standard Bayer filter. There was doubts that the FX30 sensor could have been just that same sensor, but it appears to be different on many things... maybe Sony kept their best sensor for themselves?). Canon are perfectly able to produce BSI sensors that have no downsides at all compared to FSI, yet they stubbornly only make FSI sensors even in their high end cameras (their hand was forced for the R3, FSI is incompatible with a stacked chip) But beyond the sensor, we often forget one very important thing that is equally important as the sensor itself : the processor ! Without the processor to process the RAW data from the sensor, you wouldn't be able to have an image in the first place. The sensor gives numbers, the processor gives an image out of those numbers. And as far as I know, each brand is making their own processor, that processes images differently. On top of that, each brand have their "color science" that they use in their processors and make for example a Nikon camera RAW file have a substantially different RAW file than a Sony, even though the sensor is the same : the camera's processor didn't interpret the colors the same way. And theres, as you said the tiny differences in white balance sensors etc. But for people that shoot RAW, that's not really a concern
Nikon D7000 actually has the same sensor that the Fujifilm X-Pro1 has, just different colour array. Made for an interesting competition because I used a D7000 while my brother uses an X-Pro1. Now I know I used to lust over the X-Pro1 when it came out, but now that I found out that the Gen 1 X-Trans cameras were infamous for being sluggish, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed using it as much as I had for my D7000 since I am a run and gun photographer. Later ditched the entire Nikon DX system when I finally found an X-T2 for a good price.
Thanks for this fun video. Based on these 8 minutes I like you for now and I'll subscribe. Thanks for keeping it light and entertaining with such a serious (is it serious?) subject.
You can buy into any system these days and create great photos. Its all about how you see, take and if needed edit a picture. Whatever system.you use just enjoy using it to its best ability.
Relatively speaking, it's a small number of internet trolls who really care about sensors/gear. The vast majority of people photograph with their phones and don't even know what sensor make they are using.
Great video. I've been preaching this subject for decades . I have an assortment of images (film and digital ) , hanging around the house and in my Man-cave. Every now and then someone will ask that stupid question , and I say , that was shot on medium format film, wether is was color or B&W. And I photographed it a month or so ago. I then tell them to focus on the image, not the tool. Enuff said. But you are correct, there will always be those, that focus on the tool , and can not create .KB
I had a guy come up and diss the Nikon gear I was using. At the time, Canon had one of their 1D somethings out that had tremendous autofocus issues. I asked him what he was shooting, he answered the 1D something. I asked him so you have an $8,000 body that can’t properly autofocus? He shut up and walked away…… I always like to know what people are using because I like gear. My very good friend shoots Canon; I now use mostly Fuji, but haul out my D700 occasionally. We enjoy poking fun at each other’s gear much like the Ford vs Chevy rivalry
Thanks, I genuinely smiled watching this. I am waiting for my first new-to-me cameras in years; a 70 year old voigtlander Bessa i which has a single 105mm f4.5 lens and shoots 6x9 format, and a nearly 50 year old Mamiya 330F TLR which has 6 available lenses from 55-250mm but shoots a smaller format - only 6x6… but at least that’s square so perfect for The Gram 😂😂 I’m looking forward to the “limitations” and being able to concentrate on improving my craft within very set parameters imposed; I’m an old dude with a wonky brain and “too many options” is a massive burden for me. I used my Nikon DSLR for all of 400 shots because the menus and options just scrambled me. I love my old iPhone 8 for point and shoot and get some great compositions; a few months ago I invested in a viewfinder app to start getting used to how things will look with the voigtlander and some of the different lenses for the TLR - so I’m not a total Luddite… Keep snapping - and keep posting these vids as long as it brings you joy. This rando sure appreciated this one today
You got there in the end and I hope that others watching your excellent video did as well . All that matters is your ability to visualise a scene and use it to tell a story in one or more images . Leonardo or Michelangelo - which was better ? Well, in terms of then and now , most would say the former ; but do you know why? If you don’t , then it doesn’t matter . If you like the image regardless of the technique or who painted it , then that is good enough . It is the same with cameras . I never found one that did everything : they never one and perhaps they never will . This is why the choice of camera should start with the lens lenses you like best and match those to the body that offers the range of tools you need or think you will need . Most of us buy a i oven or washing machine with more programs than we will bother to use and that is true of our cameras . The camera is just a box to paint with light to capture an image - much the same way Leonardo did . He applied layers of pigment on top of each other and because they were in small amounts , the darker elements built over the white base to create natural light tones to figures without any hard contours being painted in ; such as with noses . Today I use a MFT camera and two prime lenses for walkabout and portraits , with the wide angle on my phone for everything else . And since I have my phone with me all the time , I take more pictures with it . If my pro friends cannot tell from looking at my photo books which was which - not that they care and nor do I. My style has developed to create classic images that stand the test of time and the family love them . Perfection is what strive for , but in pursuit of it I am looking to capture magical moments on my travels and I have a body of work in both in negative and digital files to make more books than I have time to do. I also enjoy writing fiction and illustrating some of that work . And despite all of this I feel that I am not good enough ha ha , but others read those images and tales differently . The look on children’s faces or of grown ups reading the teenage and young adult stories are easily transported out of reality . We all can do this with our phones I am convinced . Using a camera just enhances the experience . In short - forget the gear and make images that put a smile on your face and that of others . Timeless !
I am not watching this video, i just wanted to share my laughter because I saw a thumbnail of super overexposed man with title "my camera is better than yours" which is super hilarious
good job mentioning certain technical as well as practical issues regarding Pentax DSLR cameras vs those of others ... here's the truth: Pentax has always made mostly 'enthusiastic-level' cameras, both film and digital ... however, even mid-level Pentax cameras (both film as well as digital) can be used effectively in many areas of professional photography IF the photog is "professional" enough and knows at least a little deeply about the technical side of photography, too ... of course there is a lot more to be said in this regard getting into details, which this video has done a fine job already ... and out friend here said it also: photographer takes the photo not the camera!
btw, forgot to m mention this: yes, it appears Sony makes the most number of digital image sensors for most if not all brands of digital cameras, including those of Sony's itself ... but in image quality comparison, still images taken using some not so cheap Sony digital cameras are not as good as those of other brands! weird, right? 🙂
It is quite normal in industry to have a competitor make components to their own specifications, there is usually some cost saving. Take Panasonic (a larger company than Sony) who did develop and manufacture their own LMOS (not CMOS) sensors for themselves and Olympus (& Leica?) but then had an accident with their factory and so had Sony make them. Even with identical sensors there are differences in the look between Panasonic and Olympus which I put down to having different image processor "engines". The best photographer I personally know, always produces terrific photographs from his Pentax, and is quite possibly the least technically minded person I have ever met. Which I think proves the best camera is the one you are holding (and do not blame the tools)
I shot on Pentax bodies but in 2002 I switched to Canon because I got tired of waiting for a Pentax DSLR. My current Canon is the RP but I still love Pentax and I could not switch due to an investment in RF and RF lenses.
I used to shoot exclusively with digicams, but ended up developing a crippling addiction on buying these super obscure and quirky 1mp cameras from eBay. I spent all the money I had. I lost my house, car, wife and job. I hit rock bottom. That is when I reached out to a friend of mine, and he asked: “Why don’t you just shoot Sony instead?” That is when my life changed. I sold all my cameras and bought a Sony Alpha 7 IV. Its the only camera I own and the only one I will ever need. Today I am a successful crypto investor and shoot mostly night photography (especially cityscapes and gas stations).
You know the saying: all the gear and know idea! That. If someone is dissing your gear it shows a lack confidence in them, that they perhaps care not to admit. Hiding behind bravado and all that.
Great advice: Cameras are like _DATING_ & Lenses are like _Marriage_ 👍 #1 Lens choice.. purpose / resolution / input to Camera - including colour. / price #2 Camera choice.. ergonomics / features / mount / output fidelity / price.
No there were not. Different people used different film for different purposes, like higher speed for night and indoor picures. In my camera club, if someone used a new type of film other people would be interested and might try it for themselves. No-one could be snobbish because, unlike a camera or a car, anyone else could use the same film next time they re-loaded.
Everyone talks about Fuji film simulations, but actually you can't use the new ones on older cameras. Whereas on Canon cameras you can a) use all picture styles on any Eos camera and b) besides hundreds of styles you find on the internet, you can create your own style and load it on your camera.
It's why you can just use DxO Photolab and for the most part get any camera to look like any other camera. I took my original CCD Sony A100 and my Leica M240 and took the same shot with all the same settings and then took them into DxO and swapped color profiles as well as their native color profiles and they were virtually identical. The CCD Sony had a tiny, tiny advantage in reds and even smaller advantage in greens, but other than that, and in my testing of several cameras, it's the color profile more than anything that people like in a camera, and if you just use DxO Photolab, you can basically get anything you want.
And some would argue that with modern AI scaling, you should buy a 12MP camera where the pixels are fat, get the best quality pixels and then us AI scaling to uprez instead of having smaller wells with more MP. I've done this with the 10MP Sony A100 and it's compelling if you don't shoot over ISO 800 (even with DxO DeepPrimeXD).
I use a Fuji XT2 since 7 years and it is still good enough. Bought a Sony a7iv as I wanted bigger lens for birding. Could have bought any of big brands but Sony had the most affordable and available zoom 200-600 lens so the choice of camera. On other lenses Apart from being full frame and higher resolution I don’t think the photos are any different and I am happy to use both cameras. The viewfinder is really one thing which is much better though
It is and always has been subjective. I for one am grateful that you went down this rabbit hole. I look at the image not what made it. That’s a good video and something that everyone should watch.
I loved my Sony F828. Back in the day it did a great job for an all-in-one camera. Several years ago, My Fuji S5000 (3mp with internal interpolation to 6mp) beat-out Nikon and Canon 6mp DSLRs for a USDA calendar shoot.
I will stand by my 5D Mark II until I die. It's my favourite camera, and it is the quintessential camera body. Plus, in a pinch I can use it for video.
I guess capturing the moment is more important then anything. I still cherish the photos i took with my 2 Mpix Nokia E70 back in 2006. The gear, color, sharpness , composition etc etc doesn't matter if u can connect with the pic.
Nice video! It's probably always going to be a hot topic for some people, but yeah I find it silly. I think all cameras make me excited for different reasons as I do love the camera's design as well as what it allows me to do. I have used Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Hasselblad and all kinds but I started out on Pentax and now use a Sony. I love them all. When you say that someone dissed your K-1 I can totally imagine the idiot saying that but I would love to try a K-1 myself. You're totally right that someone dissing a camera says more about them than anything else. I am about to take out the 24 year old Nikon D1 to photograph wildlife tomorrow, just for the fun of it. My latest purchase was a Pentax MX, which was the first camera I ever used and I can't wait to try that again too. The weird thing is I don't mind people being tribal about camera gear, as long as it makes you excited, but using that excuse to be negative about something else is just sad.
Some of the best photos I ever shot were on a Sony a6000 which almost everyone would agree is an entry level camera without most of the things that would make a "pro" camera, and I used it long into the "full frame revolution". It doesn't even have any of the "cool points" of being a retro digi-cam... It was just the camera that I had at a time when I had a lot of passion for photography. So that was when I took great images, that's all. It was good enough and I had ideas.
It's not just sensors that are often made by the same company for different camera manufacturers, so are lenses and cameras. The following cameras all used the same 7-21mm f2-2.5 lens: Canon G1, G2 (branded Canon), Epson PhotoPC 3000Z, 3100Z (branded Epson), Panasonic DMC-LC5, DMC-LC40 & Leica Digilux 1 (all branded Leica), Sony DSC-S70, S75, S85, MVC-CD500 (branded Carl Zeiss) and Toshiba PDR-M70 (branded Toshiba). I know that the Canon, Panasonic/Leica and Sony cameras all used the same Sony sensor with a CYGM filter array, so I suspect all these cameras were actually made by Sony as their models were the first on the market.
It's pretty much only photographers that will gripe because of the camera/gear used. The overwhelming majority of people viewing the image, regardless of the medium (be it digital gallery, print, etc.) couldn't care less what the camera was that shot it. Lately I've found myself picking up an E-PL8 with a TTArtisan 25mm f2 (50mm in FF field of view) more than basically any other setup unless I have to have autofocus for action or something. I even find myself going out with a much higher end setup, getting bored, coming back and swapping to the small cheapo beginner marketed camera and a cheap 50 dollar full manual lens, then going out and enjoying it. I've been tempted to replace/retire the E-PL8 with an E-M10.ii to get an EVF, but I've deemed that not worth the 350-ish dollars that would cost. To be fair, my camera bag I used for job as a travelling photojournalist has 3 bodies, an EM5.iii for my main body that most has the Oly 75mm f1.8 lens on, an EP5 on my other shoulder usually with the PanaLeica 15mm f1.7 or 25mm f1.4 on, and (since I gave my EM1.iii to my work partner) a G9 with a 12-40 f2.8 or 12-100mm f4 that typically stays in my bag. I focus on portraits and not being a distraction, so the 150mm of effective range on a small, discrete body lets me get the shots I want. The little EP5, despite being over 10 years old, still does well and handles any situation I need to swap to the 30mm-50mm range for instead of the tele 150mm equiv. That little aged EP5 has got me countless shots that were praised for work. My dream camera for walking around is basically an E-M10.ii body/menus wise with the rear screen design off an X-T3/X-T5, USB-C... and that's it more or less. Maybe if they can shrink the EM5iii's level of components now for PDAF and processing, but I would match rather use manual lenses for my personal time taking pictures. I'd be good with G100D with the only change being IBIS being added (why wasn't this here already like with even the GX85?) the rear screen being the 3 way tilt instead of the god awful full articulated vlog screen that's just a metric pain for photography. That's one reason I use the E-PL8, considering buying another EM10.ii again, and am sad I sold my GX85, they have standard tilt screens.
I can recall more incidents than I can count reasonably where I was openly mocked, doubted, or turned down for gigs due to shooting Pentax. I just chuckle and nod at this point. Uh huh, that's nice. Also, lenses are really the main factor in the look of an image, and beyond that, aperture....coatings.....yeah, it gets complicated for sure, but on the surface it's easy enough to generalize in a constructive way.
Yeah I definitely feel like Pentax users, maybe Olympus and Fuji users too, get extra flack for their cameras. I have certainly experienced that with my Pentax. It's mostly, "what is Pentax?", "Pentax still makes cameras?" or "get a Canon/Sony/Nikon" xD
@@snappiness Yeah, it's exhausting. When people ask me what lens I'm shooting with their head really explodes 🤣. I just acquired a super rough SMC A* 135MM F1.8 and I fall deeper in love with Pentax with each vintage lens I attach to my K-1.
I saw this several times before I actually watched this. It hit my algorithm, but the bold statement made it not worth watching like you declared at the beginning
Love the video and thank you for raising the subject. Photographs have been taken for more than a 100 years now :) I can show you incredible photographs made by a tedious process of handling a big black box and glass slides. And I can find horrible pictures taken by the best DSRL's \ Mirrorless \ Iphones.. what not. The camera is a tool, not the reflection of how your photograph would look like. Although - lenses are important.
I’ve had a probably-well meaning soul amble up to me recently and, upon eyeing I was hefting not only a Pentax, but a *white-bodied KX*, began to start telling me how to photography. I pointed at the mind-bendingly gorgeous SMC Takumar 28mm adapted to its bayonet and smiled- “yea I put this old piece of junk on it and it doesn’t even auto-focus!”
I made a proper bargain on some Olympus pro lenses, due to the fellow selling them was bullied into getting full frame in his local camera club, his words, not mine. Personally, I enjoy shooting what I have, from a rather early Canon Powershot, to my G9 with Pana-Leica lenses with quite a lot of things from various brands in between. No fools frame, though, but will sooner or later get a crack on the Nikon D700 and the Canon EOS5 MkII. 🙂
At one time it was common to see a sticker in the back window of a old Trabant or suchlike that said _"My other car is a Porsche"._ But I once saw a Porsche with a sticker that said _"My other car is a Trabant"._ Perhaps I should put a sticker on my Pentax K-1 pentprism that says _"Zenit"._
Just saying, I never feel self conscious about my gear, couldn't give a toss what people say ;) Just like you, I mainly shoot with older gear. The Canon 5D, Canon 70D, Fuji XT-2. No one can tell I shoot with older gear. If they can, I'll give them a medal if they can tell just from looking my post through Instagram or Facebook.
My sensors are made by Kodak and Agfa. And they do just fine. Though occasionally I’ll pull out the DSLR and shoot some pictures if I need them back quick.
I think this is so hard because "better" by its nature is super subjective. Comparing spec sheets is downright stupid in most cases - I've often seen "specs" that should mean product X is better than product Y, but then you go try and use both for a task and find out that isn't true for what you're trying to do. It's also hard to explain to many people where and for what a given spec matters. I think everyone knows by now that if you want to post on instagram, there's basically no camera that will not hit the ~1.5MP resolution I think Instagram uses. Even my first digital camera back in 2002ish did 1.3MP, and the next point and shoot was well over the 1.5MP. So having 24 vs 45 vs 61 MP very likely doesn't matter for posting to Instagram. Even for printing, people printed 6 and 8 MP images in the aughts just fine at 8x10, and 24MP people easily print at 11x17 and bigger. So ... yea - not going to matter there. Where it does matter is cropping, but then you as a photographer have a lot of control over how you frame up pictures to affect if any crop is needed at all. Then we're often talking about how you're going to shoot, and what you're going to shoot. Landscape and Portrait and Product probably don't even need autofocus, certainly not "high end", you might well be manually focusing anyway. Those subjects aren't moving, so if you can't get focus, that's on you. And like you said, the lenses matter a lot, at least as much as the camera, because the camera can only work with what the lens sends to the sensor. However, for most people, all systems have the common lenses that might be used. So unless you need the 180 degree VR recording Canon released and no one else has, there probably isn't actually a unique modern lens that you realistically would use. In all honestly, most of the unique looks are from vintage lenses, so that does push you towards mirrorless for adaptability but otherwise brand seems mostly irrelevant (to me) for, you know, getting a 24-70 F2.8 or an 85mm f1.8 or f1.2, or 50mm whatever. They all have one or more. What I think ends up mattering the most is actually ergonomics / how it feels to use, and how the lenses feel etc. As you showed, different cameras have very different grips, and ways to use them. But the output can be managed to look very similar SooC, and pretty much the same via RAW processing.
Which camera took which picture? In order from left to right:
Samsung Pro815, Sony F828, Nikon 8400
I liked the picture better in this order, Samsung, Nikon then Sony
Great content. Why dont you make a series on super ccd Fuji S Pro series cameras? Those are lovely and interesting. And f mount.
Left Nikon Center samsung right sony
When I was a student in the 70's and 80's, people would walk up to me offering photo tips. They meant well but I got tired of being bothered. I had the suspicion that the Minolta brand name was calling them in as I had to be poor and in need of help. On a lark, I taped over all the brand identifiers of all my equipment. I noticed that when people got close enough to notice they couldn't ID my equipment they would back off and walk away.
But Minolta lenses are great! I buyed 5 Rokkor lenses and I love them
Interesting experiment. In a similar vein, you can buy metal red circle Leica stickers to put on any camera. I may try that 😁
@@snappiness I've met camera snobs over the years who never heard of Leica, or Zeiss,etc. They usually recognize canon and Nikon. I'd go with a fake Nikon sticker!
@@amermeleitor my favorite Minolta lens of the era was the 45 f2. That thing was razer sharp. After over studying everything, I eventually upgraded to Pentax 6x7 for almost the whole of the film era - no regrets.
Minolta made some amazing cameras and lenses and they were often trailblazing new features. The X-300 / X-500 / X-700 were some of my favourite SLRs ever!
Photographer goes to a dinner party. Hostess greets him at the door and says, “Oh you’re the photographer. You take such beautiful pictures, what camera do you use?” Photographer smiles politely. At the end of the evening the Photographer thanks the hostess and compliments her on the delicious dinner. Then he asks her, “what oven do you use?”.
Me under the Shower 3 hours later
This is actually so good
I think we are at a point where most modern cameras are good enough. If the picture is sharp, well exposed and has enough megapixels for your needs you're golden. Many things like colors or framing can be fixed in post.
Yep! You can make any image look like it was taken on pretty much any other camera. As much as I hate to admit that as someone who loves to tinker with various cameras 😁
And everything of 12 or more Mpix is enough!
@@thepirateshoots I think this has been retroactively true for a long time now due to people mostly sharing photos on social media. When I tried to upload my full X-T3 (26.1MP) files to Instagram, it rejects them. You have to scale them down or crop them. Even then, they get very compressed once they get sent to the severs and then uploaded to your profile. I firmly believe anything over 12MP is going to be basically indistinguishable on social media and I bet no one would notice if you shot on a 6MP sensor. People are generally very surprised to know that 4k (UHD) is "only" 8MP, which means the average person don't even have an 8MP monitor. I just shoot the cameras that I find enjoyable megapixel count has slowly fallen to near the bottom of my list of things to consider when buying a camera.
Definitely true, though while I always shoot RAW for the flexibility, if the camera supports it, I will do RAW+JPG, and I do care how easy it is to just take a jpg and publish or print vs having to go into lightroom and tweak a bunch. (Which is why I am addicted to buying older cameras, mostly though with CCD as for daytime (and that is an important note lol) shooting, they get closer to what I like. I also have a fantastic Panasonic S1R that is 42MP and tack sharp, but I don't always want that :)
If you go look on 500px at the 5d mk I or II and sort by editors picks there's photos that are better than anything I'm likely to ever produce even if I was handed an a7RV. In fact, I think newer cameras have made some bad photographers. I see popular RUclipsrs who do "street portraits" they literally just find an attractive girl on the street, set their 50 1.4 to wide open and use eye AF and snap a photo with little or no posing or direction or concern for lighting. Then they throw an ugly and totally inappropriate preset on it and for some reason people enjoy watching this?
Biggest mistake new photographers make is thinking it's about capturing the light with the best equipment possible where pro photographers know it's far more important to craft or use the light to make the image and the camera is simply the last step in grabbing the scene you've created
"I liked the food you've prepared. What brand of pan did you use?"
I cooked it on a stone under the sunlight and heated it up with the fire i had to make by rubbing sticks for hours.
This is as good an analogy as any. Also, consider me a "pan enthusiast" xD
I can't think of any dish that literally cannot physically be made by a normal budget pan. That is most definitely not true for photos. A cheap 15-85mm f/4.5 kit lens physically cannot take a super shallow depth of field, highly compressed perspective portrait. It does not matter how good you are, it cannot, period. Nor can it on a micro 4/3 sensor as well as being f/4.5 take photos in a dark concert venue without absurd levels of noise. If that's your gear, you CANNOT shoot that concert. I don't care if you're Ansel Adams' genetically engineered hyper clone, you can't.
@@gavinjenkins899 99% of good photographs are good because of their composition, lighting, subject, not because it was made with Leica. If the only good thing about a portrait is a shallow depth of field - it is not a good portrait.
@@glorphindale Please re-read my comment and notice that at no point did I say anything about a Leica. I did however give two simple, common examples of things that are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE with bad gear, no matter how good of a photographer you are. You obviously had no rational counter to either of them, which is why you had to make up some fake nonsense out of nowhere to pretend to shoot down instead. At least bow out with some dignity.
Taking great pics on old cameras is more impressive to me than using the latest ones
“Look at your camera, there’s a good chance Sony made its sensor”
Looks at my film camera.
“I knew it”
🤣🤣🤣
I want to say something a little off-topic, but I feel you should know: thank you for respecting my time as a viewer by keeping this and other videos on the shorter side without being superficial. So many prominent photography RUclips channels would have taken this topic and made it into a frickin 45-minute documentary. And it's quite likely I would have skipped it entirely. Cheers, and keep up the good work! //Rick
Thanks, Rick. I still have a long way to go to get better at making videos/telling stories but I do try. :)
@@snappiness Don't be too hard on yourself. I think you're doing great!
Starting to dive into older cameras myself. A lot of older lenses have interesting personalities.
This is a big reason why I wish Samsung had stuck in the camera game. They make sensors and could have mixed things up quite a bit. The more companions you have involved the better competition and usually that means more advancements.
even if they stuck with the budget cameras like your fixed lens point and shoots or even made 3rd party lenses that would be amazing, they make awesome storage devices as it is now imagine a lens for you EF mount Canon
Beating a Sony camera in color science is like recruit level difficulty
I have two cameras with the same Sony sensor. One is a Sony, one is a Pentax. I've had the Sony for about three years but I've been shooting Pentax DSLR for about 13 years. I much prefer the Pentax colours. Last year I talked to another photographer who has always shot with Canon, and he loves their colours. Verdict: It's what you are used to. Mostly. But there's also what you like to shoot, the sort of person you are, the photos you've seen that have influenced you. Nothing wrong with the colours from my Sony, mind.
I don't know. Even shooting Sony I like Canon and Nikon colors the most. Canon RAW is easier to edit, the pleasant colors are like embedded in the RAW. Nikon RAW is more "raw" than Sony and Canon ones and have more latitude to stand more edition. It take more time to edit Sony pictures than Canon ones in my case. But Sony have other practical advantages. I'm used to Sony, but like Canon and Nikon the most, because different reasons
There's definitely a bias for what we're most used to. That's a good point.
@@snappiness Sony is pretty good with colors now, but just when they started with CMOS and for a few years, it was the most uninspiring colors for me at least.
Sony colors are much improved in more recent models.
Still, do it right and shoot film.
I gave up on my pentax dl because it had difficulty focusing , particularly in low light, but when I look back at old photos of my grandchildren I still find photos taken in good light with the Pentax blow me away.
I have a habit of grabbing any cheap oddball digital cameras I can find and challenging myself to get results. I’ve found that the possibilities are basically endless as long as I can change at least ISO. Have had many people not even realize the cameras I use if it wasn’t for me documenting it in my captions. It’s a fun way to remind myself that gear doesn’t matter nearly as much as many people think.
Me to it’s so much fun! Reminds me of the happy snaps when I was a kid. Old digital and film + instant and instant on old fi cameras have got me to love photography again….. film prices not so much 😂
I have the Sony A7S but I don't think I'd tell you I have it for superior colors. To me its a versatile beast, able to mount lots of vintage lenses easily, shoots clean at ISO 3200, and is a relatively small form factor. I'm even running a Kipon focal reducer on it, giving it 535 medium format equivalency.
i think thats the benefit of FE mount, you can throw almost everything on it. I just wont because i fear LBA kicking in if i add another adapter😅
Totally agree. For me, the olympus cameras have the colours and feels that i like. But it feels rediculous that people will insult a photo because of the camera body, every camera brand has produced an amazing image at some point. I've started taking a lot of pleasure in doing night photography on micro 4/3, because most reddit and youtubers love to pretend its impossible to get a good image, then I post it without mentioning the camera ;)
Excellent video. That's the same argument that pushed me to put aside my newer DSLR and to use old 6MP CCD Nikon cameras as a test proof that DSLR, even 6MP, can get the job done if you take daylight photos for Instagram. I couldn't see a difference because Instagram compress all images anyway no matter if it is 60MP or 6MP, you get the same output. Of course I won't be able to crop but it will force me to make better composition because those old cameras are limited (max 400 ISO, no low light without flash, no crop). That's what is important : learn to make good composition. Photographers back in the day did make banger photos with those old cameras. Then why not today because they take the same pictures as before
"What camera did you use?" "I don't remember, I own and use cameras and lenses from pretty much all the manufacturers, and sometimes I mix and match gear."
Haha, this is the truth 😁
"oh, and I like adapting vintage lenses to. So there's no exif data I could remember, sorry".
That is one of the reasons why the Leica M9 is still so loved and sought after. Aside from other things that contribute to the "look" of the final photo, like the image processor, the various algorithms that determine how light information is interpreted, etc, it has a very rare sensor. It's CCD, for one. It's a CCD made by Kodak. That Kodak CCD is full frame. That full frame Kodak CCD does not have an anti-aliasing filter on it. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other camera that shares that same sensor setup.
And other Leica cameras that aren't made in conjunction with Panasonic (so, higher end Leica's) do use another sensor supplier than Sony, so they are unique even today in that regard. That's awesome though. Hear great things about the M9.
Real Leicas. That’s all that needs to be said.
The same held true in the Minolta days.
As you mentioned there are a lot of factors that could/should go into a camera selection decision, but I was recently pleasantly surprised at how much of a 'wow' factor I was seeing using my Sony A7 with a Voigtländer APO lens on it. ONE of the reasons I bought the Sony was because I wanted to adapt different lenses to it , but I am leaning toward selecting the camera to fit the lens I want to use.
I think that's very smart!
It’s like the time I was at an air show and the Canon 80D shooter beside me said looking at my photos on the K70 “not bad for a little camera” he then knowingly tapped his 80D and said “you should upgrade to a FF camera like this” I didn’t have the heart to tell him it wasn’t FF let alone that technically my sensor was bigger. Not that it mattered he was happy with his camera
Hhahaha! oh man, I would lose it inside 🤣 but yeah I mean if they're happy. Just goes to show you don't need FF to get great images!
Last year a random photographer asked me what camera I was using and when I told him I was using a Pentax K-3 all he said was “oh.” And then proceeds to say that he is using the newest entry grade dslr from some random well known brand with a smile.
Same thing happened to my Fuji. Lol!
In my place not a lot of people ask what brand of camera I am using, they just ask me to take a photo of then and their family only because they saw me carrying a camera. :)
Love him or hate him something very valuable I learned from reading Ken Rockwell is that even with a broken camera if you are serious about photography you will do something good for yourself. Other thing I learned is that exotic specifications are less meaningful that finding out what is your personal style, and just get the best tool for that style. I know DSLR's are objectively better cameras than my aps-c compact digital cameras, and my film cameras, but with DSLR I wouldn't feel like having joy but working.
Dslrs are better than mirrorless ?
I had a Sony F828. Great camera. The optical/virtual switch in lens went bad and I gave it away to a repairman who promised it a good home.
I've been shooting Pentax professionally for 35 years. I also shoot Sony (mostly for video clients). Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, but Pentax build quality, ergonomics, and image quality are second to none...even with that goofy Sony sensor inside, LOL. Great video and channel! Keep inspiring us!
I am definitely biased towards my Pentax ;)
"SONY makes all the sensors so your camera isnt special"
* *FILM PHOTOGRAPHY INTENSIFIES* *
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my camera has more AV out ports than yours
@@Shrek_Has_Covid19 🤣 the true test of a good camera
Your Nikon E8400 with the battery grip, wowza! I need that for mine! And btw, while some might compare sensors, how about comparing cameras that you have to reset the date/time/metering/etc every time you need to recharge the battery, like the E8400?? I think whatever charge that camera used to hold during battery recharges seems to have died on mine.
I sold it because I needed to trim down my collection and I had the least lenses for it, but the K-1 is a *fantastic* camera. The SOOC colors are beautiful, with blues and reds being especially punchy and lovely. The grip is one of my all-time faves and the body is so rugged. I still have minor regrets about selling it, but I hope it ended up with someone who appreciates it. Anyone who tells someone else they have a "bad camera" is just an idiot and an a-hole. End of story.
I do love the ergo a lot on the K-1. And my K-3 :)
When I take photographs of flowers with one of my mirrorless cameras and I am using the natural light available I normally use a tripod. I always set the white balance to custom kelvin and compare the subject to what I see on the screen, then adjust the temperature to make them as close as possible followed by a bit of tweaking of the colour cast too. However it is often impossible to get it perfect even then.
Forget sensors!!! Nikon makes my camera body!!!
I love it cause, I have literally dropped it a couple dozen times!
Good job! Because that’s like essentially asking what stove/oven cooked your meal in reply, as opposed to giving credit to the cook who prepared it.
Now, more specifically:
- camera default settings vary between companies, the level of camera, and the features/capabilities made available, or not, such as the custom image mode default setting and inherent colour variance and tonal preferences within them also influenced by the Program Line selection if used or even available.
- the same applies to white balance. No two brand cameras and arguably some models within brands render the same white balance due to the variance of preferences for colour (such as PENTAX colours green, blue and red) and within image modes and other settings including file type JPEG, RAW proprietary and /or RAW DNG, including RGB versus sRGB. RGB is a larger colour gamut. sRGB is a muddier colour rendition. RAW post processing software also varies in colour rendition, gradation, and white balance, including whether you can fully maximize the benefit of a particular companies image engine design and particular unique capabilities such as PENTAX PIXEL SHIFT. Post processing software options may not have the full lens database from which to glean the optical properties, coatings and capabilities that tie into the full camera working capabilities.
- the Sony sensor in the K-1 and K-1 Mark II on paper is the same as the one used in the Nikon D850. But I can tell you as a former PENTAX rep the sensors are in fact different made to different specs in accordance to colour, gradation, dynamic range, and proprietary specifications respective of different image engines and lens properties.
- If you look at the limited lenses such as the FA 77mm you will find it was designed to render it’s own unique version of white like that of the quality of ivory white coloured button on a shirt. White is not an absolute. Similar lens depiction intents and lens sensibilities exist in the other limited lenses, including the new HD D FA 21mm AW Limited.
- the emphasis has become about specs, numerical values and absolute sharpness as a measure of what’s good or better. But this makes for a white and blank, a 2 dimensional rendering, like the pursuit to achieve absolute focus foreground to background. And thus we become conditioned to work in post and rely on AI algorithms making the camera and secondary in importance.
- the lens is the critical element of choice, as is knowing how to utilize the capabilities inherent within the designer’s intended depiction and the uniquenesses and capabilities inherent within the full gamut of a particular camera manufacturer’s offering.
- It all goes together and the purpose and biggest challenge is to devise a product that keeps the user’s eye on the subject, inspired, enthralled, and creatively inspired; connected to the subject and environment working seamlessly and intuitively, not in the way. That is the legacy of PENTAX and the emphasis on the optics, the glass, the coatings, colour rendition and sensibilities that are not always quantifiable or numerical.
- I’ll point out that there is a difference between the era of film cameras and digital cameras: Film cameras relied on film selection and development in the way of chemistry and paper to render colour and tone and texture. Including white balance and the addition of filters, or bulbs for correction. Yes, lens coatings determined contrast and sharpness, and reduced ghosting and such. However, with the advent of digital, camera and lens manufacturer’s had to assume the role that film played in representing light in gradation, dynamic range, light sensitivity tonality and grain, white balance, even devising metering and focus systems that include colour in subject, scene, and colour identification and rendering. And the glass and coatings play a greater role in this dynamic and interconnectivity. It’s not as simple as the name and origin of the sensor.
- PENTAX also made a limited version of the FA 43mm Limited lens for Leica!
- My point is connect the dots and see why the emphasis is on the glass, and why the optical remains a constant, the backbone of PENTAX. The colour is inherent within the optical as it extends through the image engine, custom image modes and program lines. There is a reason PENTAX RAW files are cleaner saving the photographer a lot of time in post.
- at the end of the day the best camera is the one that melds in the background second nature to the user’s creative path.
Salute and respect from Ontario, Canada! Thanks God I have not met any person on a trail or at any destination who looked down upon me or my gear (Pentax). On the contrary, several photographers expressed their excitement on seeing someone using Pentax. Some of them are good people and we frequently meet each other on trails.
I’m a fellow Pentax fan from southern Ontario! Most people these days don’t know much about Pentax at all.
@@earth9258 That is true, but every now and then you do meet young and old who are using Pentax or know the brand from its glorious past.
arguably oneof the best consumer camera sensors yet produced, is the Toshiba one, found in the Nikon D7200 DSLR - that sensor still performs right at the top!
I chose my Camera based on my lenses.
When I started my photography hobby I wanted to shoot on film.
I got a Minolta 7000 with a few lenses for cheap and I really like that camera.
And because I now have Minolta A-Mount lenses I bought a fitting sony camera.
I'm old enough to remember when a certain subset of photographers looked down their noses at people who used 35mm film, rather than using 'proper' cameras shooting either 6x6 or 6x7cm on roll film. "Full frame" isn't some Platonic Ideal dictated by the laws of physics, it's a compromise that allowed the production of portable and adequately ergonomic cameras for shooting film, but resulted in some professional cameras that were more cumbersome than a medium format body (think an EOS1 telephoto set up vs a Hasselblad portrait camera). All cameras are a compromise to some extent. There's a reason we aren't all shooting "full frame" (5 x 4", like Ansel Adams for landscape, or Arthur Fellig for "street").
Imo the only thing that really matters about cameras these days is if you enjoy shooting with it and if you like how the camera feels in your hands, if it fits you and your style of shooting.
There is no objectively best camera for everyone. Just find the one you like and go with it :)
My understanding is that the way camera sensors are made is very similar to any kind of computer silicon. For example, your graphics card, both current generation Nvidia and AMD graphics cards are made by the same company, TSMC. But that doesn't mean they are the same. They are architecturally very different and thus perform differently under different circumstances. I think it's just Sony manufacturers most sensors because they have the machines and experience to do so. I assumed that different companies designed their own sensor architecture, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Also I shoot Foveon (thanks to you bringing it to my attention) so my sensor is apparently manufactured by a company called Dongbu Electronics, which is, as far as I know, not owned by Sony.
I believe we can ALL agree the "my camera is better" crowd almost ALWAYS have a Sony or Canon around their neck. Prove me wrong. 🤣
That said, when I was camera sales guy at both Ritz and Samy's Camera in L.A., I would tell my customers, "if you were to give five people the exact same pots and pans, the exact same ingredients with a step by step recipe, what do you think will happen? will the five dishes come out the same?"
I mean both those companies do make objectively “better” cameras.
Its like saying the messi and cr7! Crowd always say they are better than the rest.
They just are.
Doesnt mean pentax isnt viable.
True enough. The output of most cameras can be manipulated to do whatever you want so what separates them for me is how I use them practically. Even lens choice is not so much of a factor these days but how it feels in your hands, where the controls are and how easy the menu is to access those are the things that separate one from another in my eyes. Oh, and auto focus... damn. Still love my Pentax gear though. 😉
This is a big part of the reason I never identify my cameras
online, and strip the brand info from my EXIF data.
The only person that needs to know that is me.
Yes had this many times. Sometimes the person is jokingly mean, sometimes they are seriously mean, sometimes they are pleasantly shocked and continue with praise.
A good test or idea for a video perhaps would be to try the same but with RAW files colour calibrated. I watched a video or two about this (but there are not many about) and tried it myself. I tried to colour match my K-1, 645D and XT4 and it was interesting to say the least. In theory they should all broadly look the same, however the 645D (despite Xrite confirming a successful profile) could not actually get a successful profile, the colours were WAY WACKY (must be a CCD thing). Which then only left the K-1 and XT4, to which I felt the XT4 would still retain a kind of magenta tint (so much for X Trans sensors being renown for accurate colours!). K-1 I felt looked the most accurate and neutral.
That would be an interesting test!
@@snappiness Yeh I don't know if you can colour calibrate those specific CCD sensors, my 645D failed (but out of the box it seems to have the best colour accuracy of the lot). But it is interesting to see that there are still differences that I don't think are down to user error or whatever but actual sensor differences.
I have a Canon M6 mark II. I always hear from others that I should get a new "R" series camera. Why? I have all the lenses I need. I have a 32MP camera that takes good pictures. It didn't cost more than my car like a "R" series camera. Getting good results from what you have is what it should be about.
Wait the m6 mark 2 has 36 mp? :o
Thats awesome! Man im always in need of resolution, got an R over here.
@@slampest*32 and that came with sacrifices, the sensor has lower dr by quite a margin compared to 80d/m6i sensor, and also a stop worse performance
@@JJARCHIE i look at the R6 series like i look at the ipad airs.
Its a mid lvl fullframe camera
@@slampest r6 ? You meant the m6 ? , yeah m6 is unfortunately a mid lvl camera, wish they had time to release atleast an entry fullframe M or a flagship Apsc M
5:10 I remember getting my first lens over $80 for my camera (ef-s 55-250mm) and being surprised by how contrasty it was compared to my budget Yognuo primes. Since then one of my favorite things to do with a new lens is compare the look to some of my other lenses and get a feel for its effect on colors and contrast.
well that is partly because the 55-250 is a DAMNED sweet lens!!! shoots way way above its belt so to speak. those couple of compact lenses canon made where just really nice for the dollar.
Your camera IS better than mine! I started out on pentax in the early CCD era. Been wanting a K-1 since forever! I'm invested in Nikon though, since I wanted a Full-Frame. So making the switch back to Pentax now isn't as easy...
The Sony IMX410 is used in anything from the a73 to the Leica SL-2S yet the images are not the same, there's a lot more to how the software interprets the data took down by the sensors, it's truly fascinating.
Ignore consumer snobs. If I have a complaint about any camera, it is the weight and size. I like smaller, lighter cameras. I find mirror-less easier to focus manual lenses then SLR's. I have both and enjoy both, including my K-1
I am more impressed when someone can create good art from budget gear.
My favorites include some of the Samsung cameras with their own sensors, the Nikon 1 with the Aptina sensor. Not 'better' but I like the colours produced for certain subjects with these sensors. Gone are the days when I just have a film camera and pop in different makes of films for certain looks - Simpler times.
I like how simple the films are. You dont have settings it's just one "preset" and you just work within it. However any good photo lab will be able to change things even in a darkroom print so the colors dont matter to get ultra precise.
While having the same sensor model name, the sensor in the F828 is very different to the version in the other two cameras. The F828 has a different bayer filter. The 4 color RGBE has cyan filters in it which produces better blues and yellows, but the differences are often subtle, sometimes large.
I respect Pentax. I specially love Pentax 645Z images...
One sensor maker to rule them all! Cameras are all image making tools (very powerful). Our feelings make us feel like our cameras are the best. Yet how many YT videos are about photogs changing systems ALL of the time. Ugh. Let's just shoot more and create more beautiful images and videos. Cheers! ❤❤❤
i heard pentax but never use them, cuz nobody use it.
in dslr era, i jus use canon/nikon and mirrorless era im using sony rn cuz have huge catalog of lens and is fit for my job as videographer.
interesting to see people using less known brand and have great shot.
Ha ! Gottem ! Currently shooting with a Nikon D700 that had its sensor made by Panasonic (and was pretty much the last Panasonic sensor to ever go into a Nikon camera before they switched to Sony)
Also, it is quite funny to see how camera sensors are made and developped. Typically, pretty much all the sensor out of Nikon latest cameras (so the 24MP sensor out of the Z6 line, the 45MP sensor out of the Z7 / D850 and the Z9 45MP stacked sensor) are designed by Nikon, and made by Sony Semiconductors. But those are not Sony designs at all like it used to be (the same sensor being put in a lot of cameras, like for example, the A7/D600 sensor were almost the same model, and the sensor in D800/A7R/K1 were also basically the same sensors that camera makers just ended up picking off Sony's catalogue)
The "we have a special sensor" thing really kicked off though, and it seems that every brand is really pushing the fact that they designed their own sensor and that their sensors are diffrerent from the others.
Nikon have their own designs, I can't think of any camera that they sell that has a common sensor with a camera from Sony (except maybe on the low en APS-C stuff, where they didn't bother to invest much developing time), Fujifilm also use their own designs and even went as far a using different color filters array with X-Trans (interestingly, Sony made it but never used it in their own APS-C cameras, and the 26MP BSI sensor that was introduced in the X-T3 ended up in the Pixii camera, just with a standard Bayer filter. There was doubts that the FX30 sensor could have been just that same sensor, but it appears to be different on many things... maybe Sony kept their best sensor for themselves?). Canon are perfectly able to produce BSI sensors that have no downsides at all compared to FSI, yet they stubbornly only make FSI sensors even in their high end cameras (their hand was forced for the R3, FSI is incompatible with a stacked chip)
But beyond the sensor, we often forget one very important thing that is equally important as the sensor itself : the processor !
Without the processor to process the RAW data from the sensor, you wouldn't be able to have an image in the first place. The sensor gives numbers, the processor gives an image out of those numbers. And as far as I know, each brand is making their own processor, that processes images differently. On top of that, each brand have their "color science" that they use in their processors and make for example a Nikon camera RAW file have a substantially different RAW file than a Sony, even though the sensor is the same : the camera's processor didn't interpret the colors the same way. And theres, as you said the tiny differences in white balance sensors etc. But for people that shoot RAW, that's not really a concern
Fantastic comment and explanations, thanks for adding that!
Nikon was forced to use their own design after Sony refused to sell theirs off the shelf.
Nikon D7000 actually has the same sensor that the Fujifilm X-Pro1 has, just different colour array.
Made for an interesting competition because I used a D7000 while my brother uses an X-Pro1.
Now I know I used to lust over the X-Pro1 when it came out, but now that I found out that the Gen 1 X-Trans cameras were infamous for being sluggish, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed using it as much as I had for my D7000 since I am a run and gun photographer.
Later ditched the entire Nikon DX system when I finally found an X-T2 for a good price.
I've had a few cams since but you will pry my last Nikon D50 out of my cold dead hands. I still love it and all its limitations.
Thanks for this fun video. Based on these 8 minutes I like you for now and I'll subscribe. Thanks for keeping it light and entertaining with such a serious (is it serious?) subject.
You can buy into any system these days and create great photos. Its all about how you see, take and if needed edit a picture. Whatever system.you use just enjoy using it to its best ability.
Relatively speaking, it's a small number of internet trolls who really care about sensors/gear. The vast majority of people photograph with their phones and don't even know what sensor make they are using.
That, and even the majority of photographers I meet are people chill about gear. It's just ever so often...
Great video. I've been preaching this subject for decades . I have an assortment of images (film and digital ) , hanging around the house and in my Man-cave. Every now and then someone will ask that stupid question , and I say , that was shot on medium format film, wether is was color or B&W. And I photographed it a month or so ago. I then tell them to focus on the image, not the tool. Enuff said. But you are correct, there will always be those, that focus on the tool , and can not create .KB
I had a guy come up and diss the Nikon gear I was using. At the time, Canon had one of their 1D somethings out that had tremendous autofocus issues. I asked him what he was shooting, he answered the 1D something. I asked him so you have an $8,000 body that can’t properly autofocus? He shut up and walked away…… I always like to know what people are using because I like gear. My very good friend shoots Canon; I now use mostly Fuji, but haul out my D700 occasionally. We enjoy poking fun at each other’s gear much like the Ford vs Chevy rivalry
Thanks, I genuinely smiled watching this.
I am waiting for my first new-to-me cameras in years; a 70 year old voigtlander Bessa i which has a single 105mm f4.5 lens and shoots 6x9 format, and a nearly 50 year old Mamiya 330F TLR which has 6 available lenses from 55-250mm but shoots a smaller format - only 6x6… but at least that’s square so perfect for The Gram 😂😂
I’m looking forward to the “limitations” and being able to concentrate on improving my craft within very set parameters imposed; I’m an old dude with a wonky brain and “too many options” is a massive burden for me. I used my Nikon DSLR for all of 400 shots because the menus and options just scrambled me.
I love my old iPhone 8 for point and shoot and get some great compositions; a few months ago I invested in a viewfinder app to start getting used to how things will look with the voigtlander and some of the different lenses for the TLR - so I’m not a total Luddite…
Keep snapping - and keep posting these vids as long as it brings you joy. This rando sure appreciated this one today
You got there in the end and I hope that others watching your excellent video did as well . All that matters is your ability to visualise a scene and use it to tell a story in one or more images . Leonardo or Michelangelo - which was better ? Well, in terms of then and now , most would say the former ; but do you know why? If you don’t , then it doesn’t matter . If you like the image regardless of the technique or who painted it , then that is good enough . It is the same with cameras . I never found one that did everything : they never one and perhaps they never will . This is why the choice of camera should start with the lens lenses you like best and match those to the body that offers the range of tools you need or think you will need . Most of us buy a i oven or washing machine with more programs than we will bother to use and that is true of our cameras .
The camera is just a box to paint with light to capture an image - much the same way Leonardo did . He applied layers of pigment on top of each other and because they were in small amounts , the darker elements built over the white base to create natural light tones to figures without any hard contours being painted in ; such as with noses .
Today I use a MFT camera and two prime lenses for walkabout and portraits , with the wide angle on my phone for everything else . And since I have my phone with me all the time , I take more pictures with it . If my pro friends cannot tell from looking at my photo books which was which - not that they care and nor do I. My style has developed to create classic images that stand the test of time and the family love them . Perfection is what strive for , but in pursuit of it I am looking to capture magical moments on my travels and I have a body of work in both in negative and digital files to make more books than I have time to do. I also enjoy writing fiction and illustrating some of that work . And despite all of this I feel that I am not good enough ha ha , but others read those images and tales differently . The look on children’s faces or of grown ups reading the teenage and young adult stories are easily transported out of reality . We all can do this with our phones I am convinced . Using a camera just enhances the experience .
In short - forget the gear and make images that put a smile on your face and that of others . Timeless !
Well said!
I am not watching this video, i just wanted to share my laughter because I saw a thumbnail of super overexposed man with title "my camera is better than yours" which is super hilarious
@1:58 camera magically appears on shelf (top left).. spooky...
Very observant...
good job mentioning certain technical as well as practical issues regarding Pentax DSLR cameras vs those of others ... here's the truth: Pentax has always made mostly 'enthusiastic-level' cameras, both film and digital ... however, even mid-level Pentax cameras (both film as well as digital) can be used effectively in many areas of professional photography IF the photog is "professional" enough and knows at least a little deeply about the technical side of photography, too ... of course there is a lot more to be said in this regard getting into details, which this video has done a fine job already ... and out friend here said it also: photographer takes the photo not the camera!
btw, forgot to m mention this: yes, it appears Sony makes the most number of digital image sensors for most if not all brands of digital cameras, including those of Sony's itself ... but in image quality comparison, still images taken using some not so cheap Sony digital cameras are not as good as those of other brands! weird, right? 🙂
It is quite normal in industry to have a competitor make components to their own specifications, there is usually some cost saving. Take Panasonic (a larger company than Sony) who did develop and manufacture their own LMOS (not CMOS) sensors for themselves and Olympus (& Leica?) but then had an accident with their factory and so had Sony make them. Even with identical sensors there are differences in the look between Panasonic and Olympus which I put down to having different image processor "engines".
The best photographer I personally know, always produces terrific photographs from his Pentax, and is quite possibly the least technically minded person I have ever met.
Which I think proves the best camera is the one you are holding (and do not blame the tools)
It's been my experience that, given a base line for sensor quality, the LENS is much much much more important than the sensor.
I shot on Pentax bodies but in 2002 I switched to Canon because I got tired of waiting for a Pentax DSLR. My current Canon is the RP but I still love Pentax and I could not switch due to an investment in RF and RF lenses.
I used to shoot exclusively with digicams, but ended up developing a crippling addiction on buying these super obscure and quirky 1mp cameras from eBay.
I spent all the money I had. I lost my house, car, wife and job. I hit rock bottom.
That is when I reached out to a friend of mine, and he asked:
“Why don’t you just shoot Sony instead?”
That is when my life changed. I sold all my cameras and bought a Sony Alpha 7 IV. Its the only camera I own and the only one I will ever need.
Today I am a successful crypto investor and shoot mostly night photography (especially cityscapes and gas stations).
I'd watch this movie. 😄
It's not the camera, but the photographer that knows how to interact with his instrument to get his desired result.
Perfect subject for 'our photographic times'. A+
Thanks Bruce :)
You know the saying: all the gear and know idea! That. If someone is dissing your gear it shows a lack confidence in them, that they perhaps care not to admit. Hiding behind bravado and all that.
Great advice:
Cameras are like _DATING_ & Lenses are like _Marriage_ 👍
#1 Lens choice..
purpose / resolution / input to Camera - including colour. / price
#2 Camera choice..
ergonomics / features / mount / output fidelity / price.
I like that summation of features to focus on!
@@snappiness
Ty Snappi
I wonder if there were film emulsion snobs back in the day like there are silicone sensor snobs today....hmmm
No there were not. Different people used different film for different purposes, like higher speed for night and indoor picures. In my camera club, if someone used a new type of film other people would be interested and might try it for themselves. No-one could be snobbish because, unlike a camera or a car, anyone else could use the same film next time they re-loaded.
Everyone talks about Fuji film simulations, but actually you can't use the new ones on older cameras. Whereas on Canon cameras you can a) use all picture styles on any Eos camera and b) besides hundreds of styles you find on the internet, you can create your own style and load it on your camera.
A very honest and smart summary of gear envy and conceit.
It's why you can just use DxO Photolab and for the most part get any camera to look like any other camera. I took my original CCD Sony A100 and my Leica M240 and took the same shot with all the same settings and then took them into DxO and swapped color profiles as well as their native color profiles and they were virtually identical. The CCD Sony had a tiny, tiny advantage in reds and even smaller advantage in greens, but other than that, and in my testing of several cameras, it's the color profile more than anything that people like in a camera, and if you just use DxO Photolab, you can basically get anything you want.
And some would argue that with modern AI scaling, you should buy a 12MP camera where the pixels are fat, get the best quality pixels and then us AI scaling to uprez instead of having smaller wells with more MP. I've done this with the 10MP Sony A100 and it's compelling if you don't shoot over ISO 800 (even with DxO DeepPrimeXD).
Good content! Really like your perspective on things. Keep up the great work!
I use a Fuji XT2 since 7 years and it is still good enough. Bought a Sony a7iv as I wanted bigger lens for birding. Could have bought any of big brands but Sony had the most affordable and available zoom 200-600 lens so the choice of camera. On other lenses Apart from being full frame and higher resolution I don’t think the photos are any different and I am happy to use both cameras. The viewfinder is really one thing which is much better though
Fuji XT-3 is still pretty sweet deal. X-T2 probably as well, it only lacks some video features. These older cameras seem more nostalgic lol
@@Razertw exactly. XT3 is better Built than XT2 and improves on the formula
It is and always has been subjective. I for one am grateful that you went down this rabbit hole. I look at the image not what made it. That’s a good video and something that everyone should watch.
I loved my Sony F828. Back in the day it did a great job for an all-in-one camera. Several years ago, My Fuji S5000 (3mp with internal interpolation to 6mp) beat-out Nikon and Canon 6mp DSLRs for a USDA calendar shoot.
Funny you should mention that - I've been looking at several older Fujifilm bridge cameras lately :)
I will stand by my 5D Mark II until I die. It's my favourite camera, and it is the quintessential camera body. Plus, in a pinch I can use it for video.
I guess capturing the moment is more important then anything. I still cherish the photos i took with my 2 Mpix Nokia E70 back in 2006. The gear, color, sharpness , composition etc etc doesn't matter if u can connect with the pic.
I can’t agree with this any more 👍
Nice video! It's probably always going to be a hot topic for some people, but yeah I find it silly. I think all cameras make me excited for different reasons as I do love the camera's design as well as what it allows me to do. I have used Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Hasselblad and all kinds but I started out on Pentax and now use a Sony. I love them all. When you say that someone dissed your K-1 I can totally imagine the idiot saying that but I would love to try a K-1 myself. You're totally right that someone dissing a camera says more about them than anything else. I am about to take out the 24 year old Nikon D1 to photograph wildlife tomorrow, just for the fun of it. My latest purchase was a Pentax MX, which was the first camera I ever used and I can't wait to try that again too.
The weird thing is I don't mind people being tribal about camera gear, as long as it makes you excited, but using that excuse to be negative about something else is just sad.
Some of the best photos I ever shot were on a Sony a6000 which almost everyone would agree is an entry level camera without most of the things that would make a "pro" camera, and I used it long into the "full frame revolution". It doesn't even have any of the "cool points" of being a retro digi-cam... It was just the camera that I had at a time when I had a lot of passion for photography. So that was when I took great images, that's all.
It was good enough and I had ideas.
At the end of the day, a NPC with an iPhone will have the best camera in the room.
Great video. Love that inverse ratio dig.
It's not just sensors that are often made by the same company for different camera manufacturers, so are lenses and cameras. The following cameras all used the same 7-21mm f2-2.5 lens: Canon G1, G2 (branded Canon), Epson PhotoPC 3000Z, 3100Z (branded Epson), Panasonic DMC-LC5, DMC-LC40 & Leica Digilux 1 (all branded Leica), Sony DSC-S70, S75, S85, MVC-CD500 (branded Carl Zeiss) and Toshiba PDR-M70 (branded Toshiba). I know that the Canon, Panasonic/Leica and Sony cameras all used the same Sony sensor with a CYGM filter array, so I suspect all these cameras were actually made by Sony as their models were the first on the market.
It's pretty much only photographers that will gripe because of the camera/gear used. The overwhelming majority of people viewing the image, regardless of the medium (be it digital gallery, print, etc.) couldn't care less what the camera was that shot it. Lately I've found myself picking up an E-PL8 with a TTArtisan 25mm f2 (50mm in FF field of view) more than basically any other setup unless I have to have autofocus for action or something. I even find myself going out with a much higher end setup, getting bored, coming back and swapping to the small cheapo beginner marketed camera and a cheap 50 dollar full manual lens, then going out and enjoying it. I've been tempted to replace/retire the E-PL8 with an E-M10.ii to get an EVF, but I've deemed that not worth the 350-ish dollars that would cost. To be fair, my camera bag I used for job as a travelling photojournalist has 3 bodies, an EM5.iii for my main body that most has the Oly 75mm f1.8 lens on, an EP5 on my other shoulder usually with the PanaLeica 15mm f1.7 or 25mm f1.4 on, and (since I gave my EM1.iii to my work partner) a G9 with a 12-40 f2.8 or 12-100mm f4 that typically stays in my bag. I focus on portraits and not being a distraction, so the 150mm of effective range on a small, discrete body lets me get the shots I want. The little EP5, despite being over 10 years old, still does well and handles any situation I need to swap to the 30mm-50mm range for instead of the tele 150mm equiv. That little aged EP5 has got me countless shots that were praised for work.
My dream camera for walking around is basically an E-M10.ii body/menus wise with the rear screen design off an X-T3/X-T5, USB-C... and that's it more or less. Maybe if they can shrink the EM5iii's level of components now for PDAF and processing, but I would match rather use manual lenses for my personal time taking pictures. I'd be good with G100D with the only change being IBIS being added (why wasn't this here already like with even the GX85?) the rear screen being the 3 way tilt instead of the god awful full articulated vlog screen that's just a metric pain for photography. That's one reason I use the E-PL8, considering buying another EM10.ii again, and am sad I sold my GX85, they have standard tilt screens.
I can recall more incidents than I can count reasonably where I was openly mocked, doubted, or turned down for gigs due to shooting Pentax. I just chuckle and nod at this point. Uh huh, that's nice. Also, lenses are really the main factor in the look of an image, and beyond that, aperture....coatings.....yeah, it gets complicated for sure, but on the surface it's easy enough to generalize in a constructive way.
Yeah I definitely feel like Pentax users, maybe Olympus and Fuji users too, get extra flack for their cameras. I have certainly experienced that with my Pentax. It's mostly, "what is Pentax?", "Pentax still makes cameras?" or "get a Canon/Sony/Nikon" xD
@@snappiness Yeah, it's exhausting. When people ask me what lens I'm shooting with their head really explodes 🤣. I just acquired a super rough SMC A* 135MM F1.8 and I fall deeper in love with Pentax with each vintage lens I attach to my K-1.
I saw this several times before I actually watched this. It hit my algorithm, but the bold statement made it not worth watching like you declared at the beginning
Love the video and thank you for raising the subject.
Photographs have been taken for more than a 100 years now :)
I can show you incredible photographs made by a tedious process of handling a big black box and glass slides.
And I can find horrible pictures taken by the best DSRL's \ Mirrorless \ Iphones.. what not.
The camera is a tool, not the reflection of how your photograph would look like.
Although - lenses are important.
I’ve had a probably-well meaning soul amble up to me recently and, upon eyeing I was hefting not only a Pentax, but a *white-bodied KX*, began to start telling me how to photography. I pointed at the mind-bendingly gorgeous SMC Takumar 28mm adapted to its bayonet and smiled- “yea I put this old piece of junk on it and it doesn’t even auto-focus!”
I made a proper bargain on some Olympus pro lenses, due to the fellow selling them was bullied into getting full frame in his local camera club, his words, not mine. Personally, I enjoy shooting what I have, from a rather early Canon Powershot, to my G9 with Pana-Leica lenses with quite a lot of things from various brands in between. No fools frame, though, but will sooner or later get a crack on the Nikon D700 and the Canon EOS5 MkII. 🙂
At one time it was common to see a sticker in the back window of a old Trabant or suchlike that said _"My other car is a Porsche"._ But I once saw a Porsche with a sticker that said _"My other car is a Trabant"._ Perhaps I should put a sticker on my Pentax K-1 pentprism that says _"Zenit"._
I love this subject. It’s so funny to see every running behind the lasted trend to dump the body in a couple of years for the next holy grail.
6:00 dude, looks like that eyepiece was used as shovel
Just saying, I never feel self conscious about my gear, couldn't give a toss what people say ;)
Just like you, I mainly shoot with older gear. The Canon 5D, Canon 70D, Fuji XT-2.
No one can tell I shoot with older gear. If they can, I'll give them a medal if they can tell
just from looking my post through Instagram or Facebook.
I thought it was already well know that nowadays any camera, any brand would do the trick.
My sensors are made by Kodak and Agfa. And they do just fine. Though occasionally I’ll pull out the DSLR and shoot some pictures if I need them back quick.
I think this is so hard because "better" by its nature is super subjective. Comparing spec sheets is downright stupid in most cases - I've often seen "specs" that should mean product X is better than product Y, but then you go try and use both for a task and find out that isn't true for what you're trying to do. It's also hard to explain to many people where and for what a given spec matters. I think everyone knows by now that if you want to post on instagram, there's basically no camera that will not hit the ~1.5MP resolution I think Instagram uses. Even my first digital camera back in 2002ish did 1.3MP, and the next point and shoot was well over the 1.5MP. So having 24 vs 45 vs 61 MP very likely doesn't matter for posting to Instagram. Even for printing, people printed 6 and 8 MP images in the aughts just fine at 8x10, and 24MP people easily print at 11x17 and bigger. So ... yea - not going to matter there. Where it does matter is cropping, but then you as a photographer have a lot of control over how you frame up pictures to affect if any crop is needed at all.
Then we're often talking about how you're going to shoot, and what you're going to shoot. Landscape and Portrait and Product probably don't even need autofocus, certainly not "high end", you might well be manually focusing anyway. Those subjects aren't moving, so if you can't get focus, that's on you.
And like you said, the lenses matter a lot, at least as much as the camera, because the camera can only work with what the lens sends to the sensor. However, for most people, all systems have the common lenses that might be used. So unless you need the 180 degree VR recording Canon released and no one else has, there probably isn't actually a unique modern lens that you realistically would use. In all honestly, most of the unique looks are from vintage lenses, so that does push you towards mirrorless for adaptability but otherwise brand seems mostly irrelevant (to me) for, you know, getting a 24-70 F2.8 or an 85mm f1.8 or f1.2, or 50mm whatever. They all have one or more.
What I think ends up mattering the most is actually ergonomics / how it feels to use, and how the lenses feel etc. As you showed, different cameras have very different grips, and ways to use them. But the output can be managed to look very similar SooC, and pretty much the same via RAW processing.