(Neo-)Sindarin Lesson 1: Pronunciation and Tengwar (Tehta)
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2025
- In our first lesson, Lamaeron talks about pronunciation and how to write Sindarin using the Tehta mode of Tengwar. Be sure to turn on the subtitles by clicking CC for those mortals out there!
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You are speaking Sindarin the whole video? A dream becomes true! :D
Indeed he is speaking Sindarin! I thank him for that!
I don't understand. How can anyone in the world speak Sindarin so fluently like you do? How is this even possible? I started learning Sindarin just recently, so I am so glad, that there's someone, who can explain it to me (and to others LOTR fans). Please, keep going!!
I think having experience with learning other languages (real and in this case, also conlangs) makes a big difference
It sounds like Arabic
I have a chemistry exam tomorrow and I still haven’t started to learn....bro what am I doing here
I understand you so much. Take care
@@0nyr
I have exams tomorrow as well, I'm now here learning tengwar rofl
@@faintsherin4468 The night has to be dark for the day to be brighter. Pain is human, I believe in you, you can make it. I did and so can you. Trust me, hold on. Time will pass and soon all these moments will be forgotten. I'm 100% not kidding. Just make sure to stay alive and take care of yourself and the others.
How did you do?
Yeah I have an exam tomorrow. I donno why I am here.
I never listen to speak an elvish language of Tolkien so natural and musical like in this case: my compliments!!
I saw your lessons today and I wonder why you stopped making videos. You are talented and you could teach a lot of people. So far I have found only confusing and not very clear videos on Sindarin's grammar and phonetics. You are fantastic. I know it's a bit late to ask, but it's never too late to hope: could you keep making videos?
Жирослав I'm sorry you can't get the beauty in this language. I recommend you reading Tolkien book's until you understand. Otherwise don't watch this kind of video and don't bother people. Thank you.
@Жирослав Теглобрюх бог ты мой, чем же тебя обидели эльфы, что ты так ненавидишь их язык и все, что с ними связано?
@@siccloud boy do I love seeing intellectually lazy haters get ratioed
@@michaelnelson8618 they're orcs lol
@@alicegiola7427 ❤️
Bro came from the West shores, dropped a couple of videos and went back. We need more!!
How does this not have over a million hits and counting...Tolkien would be very proud!
I doubt. In an interview he said: "I don't want to go to a pub and speak Elvish with chaps, you know? I didn't made it for daily use, I made it solely for liguistic purposes."
@@andreasderycke42 I guess that's on him for making a language so irresistably cool. I am moving to Germany in a few years, and it is taking every ounce of strength I have not to stop German and start learning Sindarin lol. But for my own good, I will continue German lol.
Ben Norton!!! You here?
What a surprise hahaha
plask, nal khinif weeson eelfor (btw, I already knew you love Elven language)
I've never heard new content of Elvish spoken in such length and interrupted. What a talented linguist! Thank you for this amazing video
Thank thee, Lamaeron! 'Tis a dream come true to listen somebody speaking Sindarin so well whilst teaching it's basics!
most underrated youtuber, pleaseeee continue
My whole life, I have needed this.
And you spoke Sindarin through the whole video. I love this.
I'm so sad you didn't make more videos! I hope you continue someday!
Saaaame T.T
I love your (Neo-)Sindarin pronunciation. Makes me wish to listen to a whole audiobook is this language.
Just spent 8 minutes in elvish primary school at Sindarin lesson. So incredible =O
I literally took notes on this XD XD XD. This was honestly a really good tutorial. I could actually sort of read the sentences by the end of the video. I wish you had made more than just two lessons!
this is so cool. i have absolutely no clue what you are talking about since im a complete beginner when it comes to speaking sindarin. but i strive to learn it so i can some day come back and learn how to write aswell
Do more please, it would be nice to see an animated conversation in sindarin.
it took me way too long to figure out i had to turn on cc lol
Exactly 00:40 for me
It took me so long to figure that out, that in the meantime I decoded what he said in Sindaring and learnt it :q
I didn't even turn cc on... I simply listened to him speaking, I just loved too much the sound of the language for activating cc
Thank for that.
They were automatically on for me lol
Amazing video! I do want to point out for those that might be wondering; The Arda Tengwa for /rh/ is only used in Sindarin Beleriand Mode. Where in that same mode, Óre Tengwa is use for /n/ and not /-r/. The /-r/ uses the Óre Tengwa in Sindarin General Mode. Different Modes Tengwa tend to(or are suppose to be) written separately and not borrowed from other modes(correct me if im wrong). But most, I included, still borrow from different modes but its still not good practice. Also Hwesta Sindarinwa Tengwa as /hw/ is only suppose to be used in Sindarin Beleriand Mode. That Tengwa doesnt exist in General Mode or Full Mode of Sindarin. Still good to learn of course as it is used in English Tengwar Modes aswell.
Mae g'ovannen! Where did you learn to speak such good Sindarin? I have wanted to learn the language for a while but there is so much conflicting information out there! Any suggestions for supplementary learning material?
Brandon Martinez I suggest www.science-and-fiction.org/bookstore.html
There are a few Sindarin apps in the app store I have Sindarin Dictionary Pro and Flamingo Elvish (Sindarin)
If you can speak german you can buy the book "Elbisch - Lern und Übungsbuch der Elben-Sprachen von J.R.R. Tolkien" by "Helmut W. Pesch".
The book is a course of quenya and sindarin and tengwar.
There is even a vocabulary index in it.
@@Buecherfreak16 Ja genau , wir lassen sie Deutsch lernen damit sie dann Sindarin lernen können 😂
/ sure , we let them learn german , so later they can learn sindarin 😂. Ich hoffe das stimmt so mit der Übersetzung
@@Buecherfreak16 is there any english version?? or only german??
Thank you so much, your lessons are the best I ever found. I have just a question about tengwar. Sometimes, I see aletter that looks like a o and it is akways referred as the sound w or u. I don't see it in your lesson though, so I was wondering :)
Can't wait to master this lesson so I can study the next one (Already watched it haha)
I'm passionate about languages (I study them, I speak (only) 4) and conlangs, as well as fantasy. I read your "about me" section on your website... Your skills are goals. Really. Thank you for the inspiration!
lae1819 sometimes the Tehtar for o and u/w are exchanged because the u sound is more common. An example is the black speech
@@teddybear5788 they spoke ebonics in Middle Earth?
Sounds great. I wonder if there is a Sindarin-speaking community out there? Does anybody have links to such a community.
hi this is a post from 7 months later, but I really want to know if there are any of those communities
Why don't we join efforts and create our own?
@@altairbermudez549 Now, i wish i could speak elvish :(
@@altairbermudez549,indeed.
Hey guys. Does anyone know of any communities now? Or do we create one ourselves?
Compliments for your fantastic sindarin, that you speak as if you were a native sindarin: wow! :-))
i just came here for the most basic sindarin alphabet lesson... yet hoping for english... I`m speechless
Please continue doing this .. its amazing ❤
"Sleep in a naughty bed"
wonderful! thank you so much!
A very beautiful and euphonic language indeed
06:35 Wasn't the up-curling squiggle over the yanta supposed to be the "o" sound? Why do you read it now as "u"? Then in the diphthong it is "u" again, but you write "Oe" on the side . I'm confused.
06:49 And here you first use the two-dot "y", but you read it as "a".
07:16 Is the "nc" one correct? The one with a bar seems to be missing the other bar underneath. Is it supposed to be that way? Another confusing part.
07:35 Why isn't the "i" dot over the lambe?
umm, I guess it's just lost in translation?
OMG I HAVE FINALLY CRACKED THE TENGWAR CODE!!! THANK YOUUUUUU! No serious! May Eru and all the Ainur bless you! Namarie!
At 2.02 you say that 'dh' is pronounced 'der-h' - but in the Silmarillion, in Tolkien's own pronunciation guide, he states that it is pronounced 'th'.
From the book - "DH is always used to represent the sound of a voiced ('soft') th in English, that is the th in then, not the th in thin. Examples are Maedhros, Aredthel, Haudth-en-Arwen"
So, Maedhros would be pronounced "Mae-Eth-Ros".
In Appendix E of LOTR, he elaborates further, and states that on occasion it may also be replaced with an n+r as in Caradhras (as in Caran-rass)
I'm confused at what your argument is here. he literally said "nadhor" aka /nɑðɔr/. that "ð" = dh
Maaaan!!! I want to speak fluent Sindarin and write tengwar like you too.
2:12 : Based on Qenya /polca/, I would rather expect */polch/ as the Sindarin word for "pig".
I still wonder what the etymology of J-M Carpenter's */panna/ for "vowel" is.
I believe you will have more lessons,
I love sindarin.
How long would it take to become a fluent native Tengwar speaker like you?
ok ok
1: Tengwar isn't a language its a writing system. He is speaking Neosindarin which is an elvish language that writes in Tengwar
2: No matter how fluent one is in a language they will never be native unless they spoke it sense they were like 4. Being native in a language means that you learned it when you where a baby.
as for your question, it probably took him at least 3 if hes an experienced linguist... tbh tho hes probably been studying sense he was in highschool. most people that i speak to that speaks an elvish language have studied it sense they where in middle school just because they love the language
Depends on how much effort and practice you do. Btw you can become fluent, but not native in Sindarin.
@@phoebeahn8941 thank you for replying eventhough it took a year.
@Anthony Skidmark There's a lot of LOTR fans out there. Some people literally translate songs into elvish. All languages start out "made up" if you really think about it anyway.
are you still here?? you are so wonderful with that sindarin
I thought he was just saying another real language like some European language but through the comment, i realize he was actually saying Sindarin that was so amazing i thought it was an unusable language.
He must be a huge nerd. LOTR goals!
Me and my friend want to learn this so we can talk without people understanding ✌
Is there any sindarin that has j (pronunciation form or similar)???
Sounds like an Italian speaking Welsh.
Probably because it has gemination (prolonged consonants), very common in Italian, and certain distinctively Welsh consonants, such as the lateral fricative [ɬ] and the dental fricatives, voiced [ð] and unvoiced [θ].
@@karlpoppins the italian language doesn't have prolonged consonants. It sounds like an italian reading it, because most of its phonetic is very close to the romance languages and finish. For exemple, almost all the vogals are the same ones wich is spoken in greek and italian.
@@paulosojunior I'm italian and we actually have prolonged consonants. Even the top-stereotypes (MAMMAMIA, SPAGHETTI, PIZZA, COLOSSEO...) have prolonged consonants, despite the english speakers not always saying them. I've never spoken welsh but now I'm curious.
What sound is anna? Or is the letter just made for the diphthongs?
I don't know what you mean. But *anna* is a form of the verb "to give" and means "give(s)", "is giving". This word has no diphthongs. The A is always pronounced as in English "father" and the NN has the same sound of "n" in English "no", "not", but a bit prolongued.
I don't understand how we write thé longs and half-longs vowels
Just a note: The word *tengwar* on the video title is Quenya. It is the plural form of *tengwa* "letter", "sign" (a written sign), "token", "indicator" and refers to the Elvish letters themselves, which represent consonants and consonant clusters. The word *tehta* (plural *tehtar* ) is also Quenya and means "mark", "sign", "symbol", referring to those signs placed above a _tengwa_ to indicate a vowel sound which follows that consonant or consonant cluster. The Sindarin equivalent to those words are, respectively, *têw* (plural *tîw* ) "letter", "written sign" and *taith* (plural is the same as singular) "mark", "sign", "symbol". But, different from the Quenya mode, the Sindarin mode uses separate *tîw* ( *tengwar* ) for the vowels; so the *taith* ( *tehtar* ) are not used. However, outside the LotR mythos, there are people who write in Sindarin using an unofficial mode that uses the *taith* , with the difference that a *taith* placed above a *têw* indicates a vowel that precedes the consonant.
THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH I LOVE IT OMG YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The LH pronunciation as in "lhewig" makes no sense to me, haha. Is there another language it's from, where I can here it and learn it there?
Probably a bit late to ask now, but how come some letters have the vowel before them and some don’t.
E.g. the second sentence starts with the vowel on its own, why isn’t it above the letter that follows it?
assuming you mean the sentence at 7:36? if so i think it’s because it’s a long vowel, so is put on the j-like stem. if the accent was just put on the l afterwards it would lose the long vowel aspect of it
Wow i'm completely charmed!! I want more =D
okay, i waitin for lesson 2
I want to learn elvish languege how can ı do it?
Love this work brother. Do you do custom translations By chance?
Also; The Yanta Tengwa for /i/ as shown in this video is only used in Sindarin General Mode. But its also an initial /i-/. Im Sindarin Beleriand Mode the Yanta Tengwa is a /e/. When you showed the Yanta as a /i/ I was pretty thrown off as I was expecting the Tengwa for Beleriand mode as the rest seemed to be. I was like "what? Thats suppose be an /e/!" Yanta represents a /e/ in Beleriand, Full, Anor, & English mode for those that are wondering. Though the Yanta as a /i/ in this video is correct assuming General Mode! But then the other Tengwa dont exist (/rh/,/hw/)
I disagree with both your comments. While it's true that some tengwar were not used by Tolkien in all of the modes, this is simply because the texts he wrote had no need of them. In all Sindarin modes we come to the conclusion that Arda represents RH and Alda represents LH because there is no other possible way to write these. As for Hwesta Sindarinwa, Tolkien never used it in any Sindarin texts ever, so you can't say "It exists in this mode but not that one." Because it is named Hwesta SINDARINwa, we know that it must be used in Sindarin and Appendix E of the Lord of the Rings gives us its value: HW. The only other possible ways to write HW would be Hyarmen and Wilya, which works, I guess, and Hyarmen with a W-squiggly-mark which does not work at all because they would intersect. As for Yanta, in the Mode of Beleriand it simply represents the vowel E in all cases. In the General Mode, however, it is used for both an initial (consonantal) I and the -E part of E-glide diphthongs.
See Chris McKay's Tengwar Textbook--it's a must-have for anyone who wants to use any tengwar for anything.
Also I apologize for the lengthy rant this comment became I am trying to be as polite as possible. Nai Eru lyë laituva!
Not me starting to learn Sindarin instead of studying my finals xF
Dude, Sindarin has other system writing than tengwar!????? Pls answer
Great video.
Is there a difference in the meaning of "novaer" and "namarie"?
No. Both words mean "farewell". *Namárië* is a word from the Quenya language, and is short for *_á na márië_* , which translates literally "be well". *Novaer* is from another Elvish language, almost always referred to by its Quenya name, Sindarin. It is short for *no maer* , literally "be well" (I won't explain, now, why the initial *m-* of *maer* "well" changes to *v-* in *novaer* ; but if you want me to do so, I'll be glad to do it). Unlike *namárië* , *novaer* is not attested in Tolkien's material, as far as I know (it was invented by someone, so it's not truly Sindarin, but a so-called Neo-Sindarin word).
Nice Video but remember this is for people who don't speak Sindarim so you should account for people using cc but cc covers most of the screan
GREAT WORK AWESOME MAE GOVANEN
"mae govannen" = "well met." So you just said: "GREAT WORK AWESOME WELL MET"
Nice and remember this language created by Tolkien himself was influenced by Welsh. Oddly the script for this Lord of the Rings language can be used in Game of Thrones if you want to write High Valyrian spoken by Danerys I Targaryen link to that is www.omniglot.com/conscripts/tengwarhv.htm the article was written by a contributor to the website
The Tengwar script can be used to write in any language. You just need a Tengwar mode for the language you want to write in. For example, you can use Tengwar to write in English with the English mode.
He is the Messiah!
hey can u speak my language i wanna send it to u cuz its related to my novel
Interesting that ui is wi. I would, considering that ai is ay and ei is ey think that ui was uy, like instead of being like English we, it was more like Spanish uy like in muy.
My dream is to learn Elvish language and used it in real life and teach others
So is Aeluin, Eye-Loo-een? I think that’s what it is. As in, Tarn Aeliun
Yes. "Eye-loo-een" doesn't represent the pronunciation of *_Aeluin_* with total precision, but it gets close.
You are a fucking legend and my childhood hero
Yo is it actually saying the words in sinderin and translating it into English with in the in the translation because it’s actually a language lol ?
why is elvish pronunced exactly as italian?
Right??? I think he guys is italian and sounds like that because of him.
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ungol means gloom not spider, I'm pretty sure Tolkien himself hints this in his notes
Great work! I should just point out one tiny mistake I noticed. RH should be pronounced like the English R and not like a Spanish R followed by an H. Nevertheless, your video is awesome!
No, Sindarin RH is definitely not pronounced as English R. Nor as Spanish R. It is a fricative (a spirant) version of Spanish R, pronounced with a wheezing sound simultaneously with the R sound. It's not very easy to pronounce this consonant.
Yet, I think I might be the only one to recognize Kerbal Space Program's orbit music
ill learn sindarin for ithildin doors :D
Sorry if I'm being annoying, but, on the video title, the word *Tengwar* followed by *Tehta* placed between parenthesis give the false idea that *Tehta* is a synonym of *Tengwar* , and it is not -- the way the title is written may trick beginners into thinking that *tengwar* and *tehtar* are the same thing. So, "(Tehta)" should not be part of the title. The word *tengwar* (which is a Quenya word) is a common noun (and a plural noun) that refers to the set of Elvish letters (which represent consonants in the Quenya mode, and both consonants and vowels in the Sindarin mode). If used in the plural and witten with a captalized *T* , it becomes a proper noun used as a name of the Elvish writing system: *Tengwar* . The Sindarin equivalent to *tengwa* (singular) / *tengwar* (plural) is *têw* (sg.) / *tîw* (pl.). But since the word *Tengwar* is used to refer to the Elvish writing system (at least outside Tolkien's mythology), both he Quenya and the Sindarin modes, its use in the video title is correct -- despite the fact that the lesson is on (Neo-)Sindarin. Now, *tehta* refers to any of the five signs (the *tehtar* ) that represent the vowels of the *Tengwar* writing system -- in the Quenya mode only (the Sindarin mode uses separate *tengwar* / *tîw* for the vowels). The Sindarin equivalent is *taith* (both singular and plural). If *tehta* (sg.) / *tehtar* (pl.) was a synonym of *tengwa* (sg.) / *tengwar* (pl.) , it should also be in the plural in the video title ( *tehtar* , rather than *tehta* -- as *tengwar* is plural). But since these words are not synonyms, *tehta(r)* shouldn't be there between parenthesis, and there is no reason why it would be there at all. So, the video title should be just "(Neo-)Sindarin Lesson 1: Pronunciation and Tengwar", or, possibly, "(Neo-)Sindarin Lesson 1: Pronunciation and Tengwar (Tîw)".
I think there should be a version of this in english or something, it's a little hard to follow with just written words
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IT ONLY WORKS IF YOU SPEAK ENGLISH TO SO WE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS ...YOU GOT IT
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lach means wettness in hebrew and it prenouns exectly the same
wow
This sounds Latin to me. Tbh I just wanna learn some things. It looks interesting
My god
The son of JRR Tolkien passed away today
Post in sídh* Christopher Tolkien
*That’s Sindarin for “rest in peace”
It means "peace", only, and it is written *sîdh* (with a circumflex).
La meia shaliwawa
ksp music nice!
I think your CH is a bit too frontal.. but a very good video nonetheless.
man this not English to be talking that fast its SINDARIN so take your time while speaking your words is more classy that way . the playlist is so helpful by the way 🙏
Methinks someone has studied the Finnish accent
Does this guy speak English?
Among many other languages, including fictional ones.
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Elvish sounds like every language combined
sound latin, word look like hindi
LESSON 1 START EASY AND WORK FROM THERE I CAN NOT KEEP UP WITH THIS
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Novaer, mellon
I'm getting Catalan vibes. This opinion is extremely subjective though, as I don't speak any Hispanic language.
Nice but you don’t pronounce the Roman Alphabet correctly.
French class be like
How is this a lesson when I can't even understand it😐, can somebody please translate it for me an ngell nin (Sindar/Elvish word for please)
(That is the only Sindar/Elvish word I know)
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I love how speak Legolas, Arwen, Aragorn, Elrond, etc.. but hearing this language in this video I change my mind. It sounds awful or maybe it´s your pronunciation or your accent or maybe you made it up.
It's because in this video he uses a real Sindarin accent, while the actors in the movie use English accents (except Aragorn who has a Spanish accent). Although I will agree some of his pronunciations are too Celtic sounding.
@@Enerjy Where should you born to speak a 'real' sindarin accent?? This guy accent apparently is from China or other Asian country. Tolkien is from South Africa but he was raised in England and has British accent. I think this language is one of the most beautiful of all and the accent it's important.. and this video is the reason why. But at his favor, just a few can change it's natural accent, so good for him that he is able to speak this language.
@@hgalindo12 The Sindarin accent is supposed to be somewhere in between Welsh and Icelandic. So, if you want to speak it more naturally, go listen to those langages.
The reason this guy's accent is bad is because he doesn't listen to the stress rules. So, when a word should be "ADan," he says "adAN." (btw if you didn't know adan means man)
Hello, I am looking for help to translate a text into Sindarin. Can somebody help me?