Is it just me, or is it completely bonkers that in the year 2023, heat pumps which cost thousands of euro's still don't come with a modern app that actually makes all of these settings user friendly to manage and easy to understand. Instead we STILL get this frustrating little controlling device that looks like it just got stuck in the 1980's for christ's sake :s
Yeah HP manufacturers are like the old car brands before Tesla. Stupid old boxes, support is only given via sellers, app sucks,shitty expensiveet addons etc. I had to buy a separate wifi dongle for my ecodan pump. Not only is it ugly as hell but it cost 300 euro. The part probably cost 0.1 euro to make if even that. Hell I could by an entire laptop for that money. We really need a tesla equivalent in the HP market.
This is a great example where you cater for your customer and the amount of information you give them. With Rachael you know she will be on point and learning how the system is working and getting it to its most efficient. Oh...you left the back door open letting all the heat out! 😉
Hi I’ve had my vaillant aro therm plus heat pump for a year. I can’t find any information on the best way to run them. Mine is set to come on early morning and off late evening and set at various temperatures 17-18 d. Hot water set to 50d, i didnt know you can set the legionaries temperature. I would be grateful if you can advise whether to leave the pump running 24/7 or not. I’ve calculated my COP and it’s approximately 2.6 is that acceptable.
Enjoying all your videos 😀👍 But I think your are missing to explain heat pump temperature set hysterese 🤔 in my setup it is very important to reduce starts..
Really interesting to hear you don’t need to run the legionnaires cycle if your getting daily showers with a hot water flow temp above 45 degrees. Nice one Adam your knowledge is priceless!!! I would have been looking to run a legionaries cycle at 60 degrees on my night time rate once a week.
@@HeatGeek it was before 60 here also, (but as a security percaution my CTC boiler uses the electric dip cooker to bring the water to 70-72 degrees now and then. Thats why i warmed my neighbors about shutting of the Electric dipcooker, also if something get wrong, it will prevent the outdoor pump from damage from cold)
Discussion on Legionella was interesting. I’ve got my boiler set to 50° (It’s a Y plan) and was thinking I’d need to do regular legionella cycles where I’d manually bump it up to 60° but it sounds like that’s not necessary as we’ve got a 120L cylinder and do 2 showers plus a small person bath a day, so water turnover may be enough to not bother, correct?
how good are air to water heat pump in 30 f and below weather . am looking to use one to heat rad floor heating or a heat exchanger in a pelume in havc system need 80 to120 degree water how long to reheat and how power need and how good with out heat streeps
This is not "heat pump settings explained". It is an explanation of the settings chosen to someone who seems to understand the purpose of the settings. Disappointing.
Any chance of doing the same with the Nibe SMO control module? Mines is driving me mental tried all the tips in the videos and it’s still all over the place - for some reason the hot water is always a problem even though there’s only 3 settings!
Hi really interested in what this video is about as I have a valiant gshp on a new build with u at room thermostats. Just wanted to know how to or have some advice to change or week the heat settings on my control panel I feel its not running as efficient as it could. Any links would be great thanks
You talk a lot about weather compensation but in my case, there is a big temperature difference in my house when there is a lot of sunshine even when it's cold outside. Is there an easy way to compensate for this ?
Hi if you used a heat battery instead of a cylinder connected to the ashp wouldn't that increase the scop of a ashp as you are only heating the phase change material instead of water or is it the fact that heat batteries connected to a ashp have to use a temperature higher than 50 degrees
Hi Heat Geek I hope you can tell me the technical points I have a Vaillant ecotec plus 376 5-5 and in total I have 12 heaters and 4 of them are like 2 meters for the bigger rooms what are the best Vaillant settings and also in code 17 settings can you guide or make a video on Vaillant settings
At 6:20 you say "You will notice the SCOP drop." I have the Arotherm Plus but I don't know how to observe SCOP. Please point me in the right direction.
Legionella can grow between 20 and 45 deg C. Actual recommended storage temperature to minimise the risk of legionella is 60 deg C. See approved code of practice L8. also CIBSE GUIDES. Room temperatures will depend on the type of heating and the thermal characteristics of surrounding wall ceiling and floor constructions. For instance with an underfloor system and lightweight insulated walls comfort may be achieved at a low air temperature, say 19 deg C or even less as the mean radiant temperature of the surrounding surfaces will be relatively high.
Interesting seeing the settings for the hot water. Are these functions only available with the Vaillant cylinder or would it also work just the same with a 3rd party cylinder like a Mixergy? I'm in 2 minds about which to go for as while a Mixergy will allow me to take advantage of Agile Octopus for heating my water (even with the heat pump), and it looses less heat through better insulation, the plate heat exchanger presumably reduces SCOP as the HP side would need to run hotter to achieve the same water temp?
I would be so grateful if some video like this would come out using an LG Therma V controller.. Can find anything useful with it, just some else's presets... Already considering using a inercia tank to minimize the cycling of the hp 😅
@Heat Geek We have a new build with this ASHP designed with zoned room stats, ufh and rads upstairs. I want to run in full weather compensation, but noticed that the pumps on manifolds (wilo x2) and emittor side of the buffer (grundfos x2) run 24/7 due to these being controlled by the stats. Is this OK? It seems inefficient to continue to circulate water when heat pump isn't active (although appreciate it will be on most of the time anyway). If you're looking to do a video to shine a light on new build ASHP installs, feel free to get in touch.
Had our ecodan system with solar 6 months and still only know a couple of things about how to use it. The installation was great but the instruction was zero.
Great explanation ... With hot water heating with flow temp 5 Kelvin above the hot water heating .. What's the lowest output power of the Arotherm can run at before it starts cycling ?
@@HeatGeek That sounds good ..... For Copper HW cylinder coils the only figure I found for heat transfer is in American approx " 70 Btu/ft2/hour/degree F " Which I think translates to 0.4 Kw/m2/kelvin (so a 3m2 coil can put 6kw into a H/W cylinder with 5 degree Delta T) .. Does that sound right ? PS . The guy who did my EPC was called Kelvin , but he didn't know his name was also a unit of temperature !
Thanks for all these informative clips. I have a 12kw AroTHERM - does that mean it’s lowest output would be 4kw - how would I know how much heat it’s creating? I’m asking as mine is cycling more as I have lowered the heat curve following your advice. Thanks for any help you can offer
@egg399. Thanks. I have since spoken with vaillant and working figure is the cop or scop. And as you say there is more info on the wall panel that might not be on the sensocomfort. Heat pump software is an area for massive improvement. But a relatively fast area to develop. Either way extremely happy with ours.
@@joewentworth7856 They should put the scop/cop on the sensocomfort panel when you wake it up. Anyone who has paid to have a heat pump is interested in it efficiency!
What outside temperature should one consider when sizing a heatpump? I worry about my installer recommending one that's oversized for the milder days, but also not keen on an undersized system for the coldest periods.
@@HeatGeek Thanks! So in warmer temparatures there's some inevitable cycling due to lower heat loss, but as long as HP is optimally sized, this is minimized. Does the Arotherm Plus 7kw have an eco setting which limits performance in mild temps? I know the Saunier Duvals do, but installer doesn't recommend due to refrigerant. Your channel's fantastic by the way!
No weather compensate? Isn’t that part of the new requirements from 2023, and hvac rules 101 absolutely do not turn legionnaires off it doesn’t matter if 75 % is use it’s the residual in the tank your cleaning but you can get away with a constant 75 fir just 10 mins at night
"always try and design without a buffer"... should I be concerned if a buffer is specified by an installer? Which brands would be on your "high quality heat pumps" list please? Vaillant, Veissmann... any others?
@@HeatGeek The company I contacted before I discovered your map offer Mitsubishi. My local ish Heat Geek provided an estimate for a Midea. Viessmann have put me in touch with an installer who's not on your map (yet) and today, I cross referenced your map with Vailant's site and reached out to Vito.
As an arotherm expert, I wonder what minimum flow temp you set?. I saw ruclips.net/video/kkNx2oSO-S4/видео.html with samsung unit it appears the peak COP is not at the lowest flow temp. Looks like peak is 30/35 degrees rather than say 25 degrees that might be reached with a low wc curve on a mild day.
@@HeatGeek i was trying to understand how much hot water usage is an average per person. Some heat loss software i used said 45 litres per person and that ashp is always 10 more than gas boiler. Doesn't seem enough.
Stupidly complicated. When I was a kid if you wanted hot water you lit a fire. That had a back boiler. If you wanted heat you lit the same fire. If you didn't want heat you switched on the immersion heater. Which even then we considered expensive. But I just couldn't be bothered with a heat pump even if I didn't really have to fiddle with settings. Too complicated for its own good like modern cars. My old truck is 22 years old. You can fix it with a bent spoon and it has already out lasted much more modern vehicles. Around where I live now in rural Qld if you want heat you stoke up the wood burner. Some things don't change.
These are engineer setting to tweak efficiency, not user settings, as per the video.. and the difference between 250 and 400% efficiency as opposed to a 55% efficient back boiler Regarding being too complicated to use. Unlike the boiler the had to physically go to everything you were cold and wanted hot water, you do nothing with this. It's all automatic. It's much less compilated and less work than a back boiler
@@HeatGeek Yes you are unlikely to fiddle like this lady I agree. They probably are a lot more efficient on paper too. But with free wood to burn we could run our fire for nothing. My Gran who was Victorian used to cook on the fire as well. Try doing that on a heat pump. Open fires or even wood burners are lovely to sit around in winter. You don't get that lovely atmosphere with a heat pump. We get a lot of power cuts. A wood fire still works. Not so much the heat pump. My parents place and my Grandparents place both hundreds of years old and the fire places still work. My Grand still had the black lead oven that got used daily. Heat pump what start going wrong in 5 years. Totally knackered by the time the warranty runs out. You call yourself a heat geek and are passionate about what you do. Nothing wrong with that. I am a passionate old fart that just preferred the old ways. Chopping wood kept you fitter than an I pad. And in general we were all fitter and healthier not being shut up in an insulated computer controlled box that is a modern home. But each to their own.
@@HeatGeek Never did. Lot of common land in UK. Collect your own. Plus all my family on both sides all in service for generations. Free wood from the estates. Australia has lots of Bush. Lots of trees. Lots of wood. I pretty much always lived in the country you can find most of what you need. Todays soft bellied city dwellers can only survive if they live next door to Tesco or it arrives in a van. It would be almost impossible to live like we did 60 years ago and before. So they turn to people like yourself to help control their environment. This will be the way forward unless there is some international disaster. I am just glad I am closer to the end than the beginning. And that where I live now is like a time warp so you can still keep some of the old ways. 40 years ago I loved the latest technology. Just as you get older you start to realise you never needed most of it and times were better without it. I wouldn't have believed that 40 years ago and you won't. Wait another 40 and look back. See how you feel then.
@@davetaylor4741 not even 2% of the UK could live that way. Shame the 67 million of is don't live where you do! Dont thinknyoull have enough fuel fornyour self then though.. Untill then..
OMG, look at this thermostat! an unusable design from 80x, who designed this square thick box? Vaillant really? Monochromatic screen in 2022? Look at the thickness of it, does it use vacuum tubes? that would ruin any interior. looks like they were trying to make production cost sub £20. How much do they charge for that? £250+? can you use an app? yes, and it is even worse with a rating of 1.8 stars? can you use something nice, like nest/tado? No? because of incompatible eBus. OpenTherm support should be required by law for all consumer boilers and heat pumps. Adam, superb video, but feel really sorry for Rachael ending up with Vaillant.
The nest is fairly dumb compared to this. It limps along realying on an internet connection for most of its energy savings. I don't mind my Mitsubichi FTC6 thermostat in the least.
@@djenson nest is dumb in on/off mode, as 90% of people have it in, and is very good in opentherm, at least was for me. but the question here is the locked down made-incompatible-on-purpose devices, to sell these horrible-looking and functioning controllers, which you can't control. I do not trust Vaillant or Mitsubichi with the data of my home presence, judging by the quality of the app you can't trust they keep the data safe.
@@Lewis_Standing Nest is OpenTherm compatible weather compensation learning thermostat, the problem is boilers and heat pump manufacturers running eBus with proprietary extension data packets, so you can't use anything except on/off. Check Adam's video on thermostats.
Is it just me, or is it completely bonkers that in the year 2023, heat pumps which cost thousands of euro's still don't come with a modern app that actually makes all of these settings user friendly to manage and easy to understand. Instead we STILL get this frustrating little controlling device that looks like it just got stuck in the 1980's for christ's sake :s
Yeah HP manufacturers are like the old car brands before Tesla. Stupid old boxes, support is only given via sellers, app sucks,shitty expensiveet addons etc.
I had to buy a separate wifi dongle for my ecodan pump. Not only is it ugly as hell but it cost 300 euro. The part probably cost 0.1 euro to make if even that. Hell I could by an entire laptop for that money.
We really need a tesla equivalent in the HP market.
@@Baxtexxhow come you had to buy a WiFi dongle for your ecodan? Don’t they all come with one?
This is a great example where you cater for your customer and the amount of information you give them. With Rachael you know she will be on point and learning how the system is working and getting it to its most efficient. Oh...you left the back door open letting all the heat out! 😉
Great explanation re legionella cycles. Always thought it was a bit overkill for a normally used family setup to do it weekly
Yes we have 2 children and my wife who shower every night. I’m a scruff so only showed twice a week haha!
No need to go and listen if the fan is on (keeping an eye on cycling 6:22). Tie a ribbon on the grille and it will flutter around. Looks pretty too!
This is really helpful, can you do the same for the Ecodan settings
Plus 1 for this please
Interesting that they use the existing hot water to defrost the exchanger. That's quite clever.
Hi I’ve had my vaillant aro therm plus heat pump for a year. I can’t find any information on the best way to run them. Mine is set to come on early morning and off late evening and set at various temperatures 17-18 d. Hot water set to 50d, i didnt know you can set the legionaries temperature. I would be grateful if you can advise whether to leave the pump running 24/7 or not. I’ve calculated my COP and it’s approximately 2.6 is that acceptable.
Enjoying all your videos 😀👍 But I think your are missing to explain heat pump temperature set hysterese 🤔 in my setup it is very important to reduce starts..
We ho very heavily in to this detail and much much more in our training. These videos are for thr customers and users though not engineers
If you are looking after all your customers like this upon request then I admire your ethos sir.
it would be amazing if you did one of these videos on nibe heat pumps. i personally am baffled about the degree minutes setting 😂
Could you due a video like this on Viessmann Vitocal 111 setings. They are abit difrent from other heat pumps. MAny thanks in advance.
Really interesting to hear you don’t need to run the legionnaires cycle if your getting daily showers with a hot water flow temp above 45 degrees. Nice one Adam your knowledge is priceless!!! I would have been looking to run a legionaries cycle at 60 degrees on my night time rate once a week.
Legionella do can be experienced in the area 20-50 degrees , recommended by health authorities in Denmark are 55 degrees, not 50 .
It's 60 in the uk...
@@HeatGeek it was before 60 here also, (but as a security percaution my CTC boiler uses the electric dip cooker to bring the water to 70-72 degrees now and then. Thats why i warmed my neighbors about shutting of the Electric dipcooker, also if something get wrong, it will prevent the outdoor pump from damage from cold)
Discussion on Legionella was interesting. I’ve got my boiler set to 50° (It’s a Y plan) and was thinking I’d need to do regular legionella cycles where I’d manually bump it up to 60° but it sounds like that’s not necessary as we’ve got a 120L cylinder and do 2 showers plus a small person bath a day, so water turnover may be enough to not bother, correct?
While video coming out on this later
But yes
how good are air to water heat pump in 30 f and below weather . am looking to use one to heat rad floor heating or a heat exchanger in a pelume in havc system need 80 to120 degree water how long to reheat and how power need and how good with out heat streeps
This is not "heat pump settings explained". It is an explanation of the settings chosen to someone who seems to understand the purpose of the settings. Disappointing.
Can you do a video on setting up a Gen 5 Samsung? Really hard to find good information for this unit.
I can but the controls are poor to say the least.
@@HeatGeek yeah they are awful! Very hard to get your head around.
I'd also like the same for the Gen 6!
Any chance of doing the same with the Nibe SMO control module? Mines is driving me mental tried all the tips in the videos and it’s still all over the place - for some reason the hot water is always a problem even though there’s only 3 settings!
Hi really interested in what this video is about as I have a valiant gshp on a new build with u at room thermostats. Just wanted to know how to or have some advice to change or week the heat settings on my control panel I feel its not running as efficient as it could. Any links would be great thanks
I have to explain to customers how to operate their simple programmable roomstat. And many of them dont get it. 😣
You talk a lot about weather compensation but in my case, there is a big temperature difference in my house when there is a lot of sunshine even when it's cold outside. Is there an easy way to compensate for this ?
Yes. Internal refrence. Read our weather-compensation-or-load-compensation article on hg
Hi if you used a heat battery instead of a cylinder connected to the ashp wouldn't that increase the scop of a ashp as you are only heating the phase change material instead of water or is it the fact that heat batteries connected to a ashp have to use a temperature higher than 50 degrees
They lower stop because they require high temperature
Hi Heat Geek I hope you can tell me the technical points I have a Vaillant ecotec plus 376 5-5 and in total I have 12 heaters and 4 of them are like 2 meters for the bigger rooms what are the best Vaillant settings and also in code 17 settings can you guide or make a video on Vaillant settings
At 6:20 you say "You will notice the SCOP drop." I have the Arotherm Plus but I don't know how to observe SCOP. Please point me in the right direction.
Legionella can grow between 20 and 45 deg C. Actual recommended storage temperature to minimise the risk of legionella is 60 deg C. See approved code of practice L8. also CIBSE GUIDES. Room temperatures will depend on the type of heating and the thermal characteristics of surrounding wall ceiling and floor constructions. For instance with an underfloor system and lightweight insulated walls comfort may be achieved at a low air temperature, say 19 deg C or even less as the mean radiant temperature of the surrounding surfaces will be relatively high.
Interesting seeing the settings for the hot water. Are these functions only available with the Vaillant cylinder or would it also work just the same with a 3rd party cylinder like a Mixergy?
I'm in 2 minds about which to go for as while a Mixergy will allow me to take advantage of Agile Octopus for heating my water (even with the heat pump), and it looses less heat through better insulation, the plate heat exchanger presumably reduces SCOP as the HP side would need to run hotter to achieve the same water temp?
You can't use those functions on a mixergy. You don't need a mixergy to take advantage of agile etc...
@@HeatGeek oh, well that's news to me, I'll have to try and find out how the integration works.
I would be so grateful if some video like this would come out using an LG Therma V controller..
Can find anything useful with it, just some else's presets... Already considering using a inercia tank to minimize the cycling of the hp 😅
@Heat Geek We have a new build with this ASHP designed with zoned room stats, ufh and rads upstairs. I want to run in full weather compensation, but noticed that the pumps on manifolds (wilo x2) and emittor side of the buffer (grundfos x2) run 24/7 due to these being controlled by the stats. Is this OK? It seems inefficient to continue to circulate water when heat pump isn't active (although appreciate it will be on most of the time anyway). If you're looking to do a video to shine a light on new build ASHP installs, feel free to get in touch.
Would like to know what tweaks on Sensocomfort could boost boiler efficiency.
Had our ecodan system with solar 6 months and still only know a couple of things about how to use it. The installation was great but the instruction was zero.
What process to minimize notice heat pump hot water heater
Good detail
Why did you spec her the old vrc700 and not the new vrc720f sensocomfort. Those old Vaillant controls are dreadful
Interesting info
Great explanation ... With hot water heating with flow temp 5 Kelvin above the hot water heating .. What's the lowest output power of the Arotherm can run at before it starts cycling ?
About a 3rd of max
@@HeatGeek That sounds good ..... For Copper HW cylinder coils the only figure I found for heat transfer is in American approx " 70 Btu/ft2/hour/degree F " Which I think translates to 0.4 Kw/m2/kelvin (so a 3m2 coil can put 6kw into a H/W cylinder with 5 degree Delta T) .. Does that sound right ?
PS . The guy who did my EPC was called Kelvin , but he didn't know his name was also a unit of temperature !
What’s the minimum output of the 5kw and 7kw arotherm plus?
Our boiler modulates down to 6kw and even in very cold days it cycles a lot
About 1 3rd
Thanks for all these informative clips. I have a 12kw AroTHERM - does that mean it’s lowest output would be 4kw - how would I know how much heat it’s creating? I’m asking as mine is cycling more as I have lowered the heat curve following your advice. Thanks for any help you can offer
Can you do the same video but for a sensocomfort controller.
Nice!
Any controls to reduce noise w/o effecting low cost opertion
Pretty much all noise reduction will increase efficiency. Low and slow
Great videos. Something I can't find is the COP of my new vaillant ASHP. Is the 'working figure' the same as COP thanks .
unbelievably they don’t show you it on sensocomfort. You might find Enviromental yield on one of the controls
@egg399. Thanks. I have since spoken with vaillant and working figure is the cop or scop. And as you say there is more info on the wall panel that might not be on the sensocomfort. Heat pump software is an area for massive improvement. But a relatively fast area to develop. Either way extremely happy with ours.
@@joewentworth7856 They should put the scop/cop on the sensocomfort panel when you wake it up. Anyone who has paid to have a heat pump is interested in it efficiency!
So many words. All in my native language, but I’ve never heard them used together before.
What outside temperature should one consider when sizing a heatpump? I worry about my installer recommending one that's oversized for the milder days, but also not keen on an undersized system for the coldest periods.
Between -1 and -3.5
It very depends on the lowest temperature your place can go and how often you reach there
25 degrees between inside and outside temperatures to be absolutely sure
@@hazmat5749 that's if you don't off the unit. If you do off unit, count for -10 °C
@@HeatGeek Thanks! So in warmer temparatures there's some inevitable cycling due to lower heat loss, but as long as HP is optimally sized, this is minimized.
Does the Arotherm Plus 7kw have an eco setting which limits performance in mild temps? I know the Saunier Duvals do, but installer doesn't recommend due to refrigerant. Your channel's fantastic by the way!
No weather compensate? Isn’t that part of the new requirements from 2023, and hvac rules 101 absolutely do not turn legionnaires off it doesn’t matter if 75 % is use it’s the residual in the tank your cleaning but you can get away with a constant 75 fir just 10 mins at night
Yes our system has weather compensation, this is the primary control for the system.
You gotta do something on a CTC HP and EcoZenith
"always try and design without a buffer"... should I be concerned if a buffer is specified by an installer?
Which brands would be on your "high quality heat pumps" list please?
Vaillant, Veissmann... any others?
Bosch. I’d always recommend the boiler manufacturers heat pump, the logic of heating is a lot better than daikin and Mitzi
The 3 top heat pumps are nibe, vailant and viessmann. Weather you need a buffer or not depends. I can only suggest a heatgeek
@@HeatGeek The company I contacted before I discovered your map offer Mitsubishi. My local ish Heat Geek provided an estimate for a Midea. Viessmann have put me in touch with an installer who's not on your map (yet) and today, I cross referenced your map with Vailant's site and reached out to Vito.
@@HeatGeekHow does a Midea compare? LeiChat mentions his heat geek quoted for one?
As an arotherm expert, I wonder what minimum flow temp you set?. I saw ruclips.net/video/kkNx2oSO-S4/видео.html
with samsung unit it appears the peak COP is not at the lowest flow temp. Looks like peak is 30/35 degrees rather than say 25 degrees that might be reached with a low wc curve on a mild day.
Why did you say 1 person showering would use 75% if water from cylinder per day?
Because I assumed she meant her and her partner would each shower 1 x per day
@@HeatGeek i was trying to understand how much hot water usage is an average per person. Some heat loss software i used said 45 litres per person and that ashp is always 10 more than gas boiler. Doesn't seem enough.
I don’t heat pumps have their own internal boiler because heat pumps can’t get a hot temperature
Speak and spell tier vaillant controls
too much too quick.
What a LOAD OF BOLLOCKING
Stupidly complicated. When I was a kid if you wanted hot water you lit a fire. That had a back boiler. If you wanted heat you lit the same fire. If you didn't want heat you switched on the immersion heater. Which even then we considered expensive. But I just couldn't be bothered with a heat pump even if I didn't really have to fiddle with settings. Too complicated for its own good like modern cars. My old truck is 22 years old. You can fix it with a bent spoon and it has already out lasted much more modern vehicles. Around where I live now in rural Qld if you want heat you stoke up the wood burner. Some things don't change.
These are engineer setting to tweak efficiency, not user settings, as per the video.. and the difference between 250 and 400% efficiency as opposed to a 55% efficient back boiler
Regarding being too complicated to use. Unlike the boiler the had to physically go to everything you were cold and wanted hot water, you do nothing with this. It's all automatic. It's much less compilated and less work than a back boiler
@@HeatGeek Yes you are unlikely to fiddle like this lady I agree. They probably are a lot more efficient on paper too. But with free wood to burn we could run our fire for nothing. My Gran who was Victorian used to cook on the fire as well. Try doing that on a heat pump. Open fires or even wood burners are lovely to sit around in winter. You don't get that lovely atmosphere with a heat pump. We get a lot of power cuts. A wood fire still works. Not so much the heat pump. My parents place and my Grandparents place both hundreds of years old and the fire places still work. My Grand still had the black lead oven that got used daily. Heat pump what start going wrong in 5 years. Totally knackered by the time the warranty runs out. You call yourself a heat geek and are passionate about what you do. Nothing wrong with that. I am a passionate old fart that just preferred the old ways. Chopping wood kept you fitter than an I pad. And in general we were all fitter and healthier not being shut up in an insulated computer controlled box that is a modern home. But each to their own.
@@davetaylor4741 yes. Shame we can't all own woodlands
@@HeatGeek Never did. Lot of common land in UK. Collect your own. Plus all my family on both sides all in service for generations. Free wood from the estates. Australia has lots of Bush. Lots of trees. Lots of wood. I pretty much always lived in the country you can find most of what you need. Todays soft bellied city dwellers can only survive if they live next door to Tesco or it arrives in a van. It would be almost impossible to live like we did 60 years ago and before. So they turn to people like yourself to help control their environment. This will be the way forward unless there is some international disaster. I am just glad I am closer to the end than the beginning. And that where I live now is like a time warp so you can still keep some of the old ways. 40 years ago I loved the latest technology. Just as you get older you start to realise you never needed most of it and times were better without it. I wouldn't have believed that 40 years ago and you won't. Wait another 40 and look back. See how you feel then.
@@davetaylor4741 not even 2% of the UK could live that way. Shame the 67 million of is don't live where you do! Dont thinknyoull have enough fuel fornyour self then though.. Untill then..
OMG, look at this thermostat! an unusable design from 80x, who designed this square thick box? Vaillant really? Monochromatic screen in 2022? Look at the thickness of it, does it use vacuum tubes? that would ruin any interior. looks like they were trying to make production cost sub £20. How much do they charge for that? £250+? can you use an app? yes, and it is even worse with a rating of 1.8 stars? can you use something nice, like nest/tado? No? because of incompatible eBus. OpenTherm support should be required by law for all consumer boilers and heat pumps. Adam, superb video, but feel really sorry for Rachael ending up with Vaillant.
The nest is fairly dumb compared to this. It limps along realying on an internet connection for most of its energy savings. I don't mind my Mitsubichi FTC6 thermostat in the least.
Nest is an on off dumb thermostat with an internet connection isn't it? Looks aren't everything.
Think tado do proper weather compensation ones.
@@djenson nest is dumb in on/off mode, as 90% of people have it in, and is very good in opentherm, at least was for me. but the question here is the locked down made-incompatible-on-purpose devices, to sell these horrible-looking and functioning controllers, which you can't control. I do not trust Vaillant or Mitsubichi with the data of my home presence, judging by the quality of the app you can't trust they keep the data safe.
@@Lewis_Standing Nest is OpenTherm compatible weather compensation learning thermostat, the problem is boilers and heat pump manufacturers running eBus with proprietary extension data packets, so you can't use anything except on/off. Check Adam's video on thermostats.
@@ksim_ which heat pump manufacturers support open therm?