The New League Update Scared Some Players
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Vanguard dropped faster than skarner rework.
Skarner is set to release in the coming weeks, so if anything they will be out around the same time
It sure did, because the Chinese government requested this spyware!
Who is skarner ?
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@@maniaman6418your mother
Riot not understanding that giving prestige skins to champs that already have them makes them less valuable is so funny to me
"What is that? You want some very special skin for your favourite champion which was only avalible for certain time during an event which feels valuable because you earned it by grinding out an event? Well here you have 3 Ezreals, 2 Kaisas, 2 Akalis, 2 Luxs oh and for older ones the exact same skin again but with a very slight colour change, which should be a chroma but we count as a seperate skin for some reason, because we put them back into the rotating shop so anyone can get the normal version of them...ALSO HAVE CHROMAS THAT COST 200 BUCKS AND CHIBI SKINS THAT COST 500"
I'm gonna buy the evelynn prestige skin the moment it releases.
they give big skins to popular champions because it makes a lot more money and it turn that give less popular champions their own skins
@@oe8578 yea but if a champ has 3 different "special skins", none of them are something special anymore, and when you then take into account that prestige skins are glorified chromas (JUST MYTHIC VARIENTS) it just basically means you grind to get an expensive chroma version of a skin
@@DustD.Reaper Presitege skins have different 3d modeling, different outfits. It's not a color swap.
"Top lane is not in a great place"
News from 2012
I literally avoid playing toplane unless it's Morgana top in quickplay 😂
I never really paid much attention to it but has it always been that bad? I used to play renekton whenever I had to go top from season 2, 3 but didn't catch up on the news about the states of each lane
😂
I play malphite/kayle and it feels fine?
Here's few things about kernel level anticheats:
1. While what was said in the article is true, those kind of malicious actions can be detected by antivirus and preemptively intercepted. Kernel level anticheats are on a much deeper level, where they give zero fucks about antivirus, because anticheat simply has higher priority on your system.
2. One of the points against Vanguard is that it is always running since boot. Other anticheats launch with the start of the game.
3. Those anticheats can be another exploitation vector if someone hacked your pc, check "genshin anticheat exploit". It was used to disable antivirus on the system.
4. In order to work on the CPU without TPM 2.0, Vanguard requires disabling kernel virtualization, which is an important Windows security mechanism.
its not about stealing Data, its true the client could it itself.
Its about security vulnerability.If there is a bug (never happens at Riot but just for the hypothesis) a third party could use that to compromise the system and run software with privileges that would exceed admin rights.
This can happen with nearly any software including other kernel level anti-cheats. In-fact it happened with genshin impact, which also has a kernel level anti-cheat. It has not happened with vanguard (as of writing).
We need to be realistic, bugs are a part of all development. League has many as bugs and it's meme'd to death but every other major game has bugs like these too.
League is likely under more scrutiny because of the memes and just how big the game is. The more people who player your game the more eyes there are to spot bugs
@@GoddessLunaMoon Non-statement. Why yes, obviously all software can have exploitable bugs. What a revelation. All things are secure until they aren't.
@@GoddessLunaMoon Vulnerabilities in kernel level software are much more dangerous. The problem with the Genshin impact case was the kernel-anticheat, because it had privileges over antivirus software, a hacker could just use it to close all your antivirus software and then download his virus. Without the kernel level vulnerability, even if they hacked Genshin, the antivirus would have had higher privileges and could protect the user.
that is correct
the only reason why i somewhat trust vanguard is because riot has a bounty up on hackerone for it
if any of you find a severe bug, report it to them and you get 100k
For one blissful day I forgot that Riot actually named their fighting game 2XKO
imagine having the codename better than the final name XDD
why do people hate the name? not trryna hate im just curious whats wrong with it. i mean its nothing special but im seeing hella hate for it
@@russellsexton8129 cause it could have been better
It could have reflected some in universe lore or just fucking sound nice
But riot wanted to make it look cool for e sports
@@Permafrost1 that’s true, would be wild if they have a 3rd game break the e-sports barrier
@@russellsexton8129Attention seekers, no one actually cares.
The only concern? riot games has a history of data breaches and refusing to disclose them so what happens if a data breach occurs and this allows them access to vanguard which they can then use to install their stuff without you knowing.
Not to mention zero day vulnerability on a rootkit that is AWLYAS active on ur pc. Oh and its owner is tencent. The company that is actually spying on Chinese people for its government
And normal app can maybe steal your data but ie can't switch off your drivers for GPU/CPU or other high rank stuff
a normal program with admin rights can do the same for the average user
@@mypotatoesarenice no, normal programs can't turn off your drivers (btw they are on kernel lvl). Pls read how kernel lvl works and why so many it experts are against these types of programs which runs on kernel lvl and aren't required
my man, how do you imagine that softwares actually work? When I have access to your calculator app, I can't force it to download shit either. Be it with kernel rights or without, that piece of software is just not made for that. An anti-cheat software is like that. It is to prevent manipulation of certain RAM memory space (dedicated to LoL in Vanguard's case) and to keep integrity of LoL related files. If Riot gets hacked, how would they connect to the Vanguard on your pc anyway? There is just nothing to connect to, it is a software running on your pc that has no api to listen to. It baffles me how out of touch some people here really are.
About Vanguard and AntiCheats... I don't mind it starting with the game (other games do it like that) but not from the start of PC and keep it running on background whole time. That's where the big issue is.
Yknow, anticheat being open a singular second and being open 3 consecutive hours makes no difference? Thats still plenty of time to compromise your pc
You can close it after playing, but you need to reboot to open it again. It doesn't run in the background the whole time if you don't want it to.
@@kamikazebanzai1005 Yes but you would be compromised while playing instead of the entire time your PC is on
@welderscript9329 if someone wants to compromise your pc, theyre not gonna compromise it for as long as one app is open. Theyll just install a backdoor and then act like they didnt
Hi! Programmer here. Running anything on Kernel level can expose vulnerabilities in your computer to outside resources. The concern isn't Riot stealing your data, it is other people exploiting vanguard and other anticheat to access you machine for nefarious purposes.
Also, kernel level anti-cheat mostly kills the possibility for any modding, such as customs skins, and I've been hearing about cases where having any modding software in your computer, even if not actively in use, can cause a false positive and get your account banned. Generally Kernel level Anti-Cheat doesn't affect every day users, but people such as modders and programmers can get unfairly flagged because of this.
Lastly, if I'm not mistanken, Kernel Level anti-cheat isn't even necessarily the most effective way to stop cheating, and there already exist ways to work around for this kind of cheating (which I will not name here).
There are many ways, SomeOrdinaryGamers (mutahar) talked about some of them in a recent video. I don't think you mentioning the methods would be bad though, whoever would program those already know, and a passerby definitely wouldn't be able to do anything with that information.
Riot doesn’t want to do the most effective method, but instead using the easier method. For some reason, Vanguard is very limited compared to other anti cheat measures and I can smell a potential problem. If what you said is true, it’s gonna take one malicious person to hack Vanguard and screw over all the devices that had it installed
Meaning players who also programs in their pc might trigger the vanguard.
Unfortunately, such is the cases so once it drops , I may stop playing at all.
Can you delete Riot vanguard? IS it gone forever if uninstalled through windows uninstaller ?
Kernel level is a pretty easy way for developers to stop cheating tho. they dont want the best way but least ressource intensive one and it slowly becomes industry standard
my only concern is that this update will perma bluescreen my pc since this is exactly what happend when i downloaded valorant (barely managed to uninstall it and my pc did fine after that)
I once had it after playing Destiny. This things are very volatile and could cause some serious damage if coded terribly.
@@Dat_Jonxmillions of people use it every single day with no problems for years. Y’all making up imaginary problems
@@mikelleonardidon't go crying to me when something happens.
@@mikelleonardi you almost make me want to go learn how to code so that I can hack all kernel lvl anticheats just to make a point. But I bet someone else is going to do it for me. All it requires is for someone to really hate Riot.
The scary thing about kernel level anti cheat is not that the company can access your data. As said they could have done so long ago. What's scary is that it's another attack point for a system. The moment Vanguard is compromised in any way by malicious actors, thousands if not millions of computers are now susceptible to all kinds of attack all the time.... cause vanguard has to run all the time, or at least wants to run all the time.
Exactly my argument and we know Riot have been hacked before so this is even scarier.
if that your concern then uninstall lol because it had more risk than vanguard itself lol
@@minhminh-wp5lg The problem is not the client being compromised and some hacker stealing some of your Data. Annoying but not immediately problematic and than just about any program is at risk. The problem is that if a malicious actor gets access to your kernel level you are just fucked. Like kernel access means he gets more rights than even an Administrator would have and from nuking your whole system and holding it for ransom or even installing a different virus to spread to everyone in your network to literally making your pc completely and utterly unusable that you have no choice but to buy a complete new one they can do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. No exception made. The problem was never the anti cheat and having to install another Programm from Riot but the kernel level access for a Programm that wants to run 24/7 is just... ridiculous. Kernel level anti cheat is also already easily bypassed by many cheat makers, just gonna be a while until LoL cheaters and scripters get their hand on something new to bypass it.
It's kind of unavoidable in the current gaming word to not have some kind of kernel level anti cheat installed with how many games use them but NONE, not a single one, demands to run 24/7, even while not even playing the game.
@@minhminh-wp5lg The problem was NEVER to have to install another program from Riot that may be compromised. The problem is it is a KERNEL LEVEL program that wants to run 24/7!!!!!
If an malicious actor gets access to the client they can access my data and do some stuff not requiring admin permits but the damage they can do is limited unless they find another spot in the system to exploit. When they get access by compromising Vanguard well... then all safety barriers have already been bypassed and they can do WHATEVER they want with the system, as kernel level is just about the most rights a program can get. Their imagination is the limit.
Use your system to spread malicious software through the Network nothing easier than that? Encode your whole Drive and hold the PC and Data for Ransom? Well something with Admin access can do that already but there are ways to salvage that situation sometimes. On Kernel level? Nah you are fucked.
Nuke your whole PC including OS, BIAS and drivers to heaven comes making your pc and every Single part inside completely unusable by bricking the firmware.
Admittingly, avoiding kernel level anti cheat is near impossible in the current gaming world, seeing how many games use them but Vanguard is worse than just about any of them by wanting to run 24/7 from boot because that means your system is at risk not just while you play the game but 24/7 while the program is running.
Not to mention, kernel level anti cheat has already been proven to not be enough to stop cheaters. They have found ways around it in Valorant and other games and they will find ways around it in League. Just a matter of time really.....
The benefits of delaying the scripters temporarily is just minuscule compared to the risk Vanguard poses to the whole player base.
If that's your concern then don't play any of the major pc games.
I hate it that some industrie professionals are down-playing kernel level anti-cheat like that.
The concern is not what the DEVS do with it but what happens if the devs systems get compromised by a third party with malicious intend.
Sure, the argument can be "but those can just try and trick you into installing stuff with downloads too!!" ... which is a strawman argument.
For real. The guy sounds like he would have no problems with saving passwords as plain text "because you send them to us anyways" and not think about third party attacks at all.
Really, you're concerned? Do you play literally any other game with anti cheats? Those games can ALSO be compromised, yet I bet youre still playing helldivers 2.
@@declaringpond2276 1. whataboutism 2. why are you betting on people playing other games
@@shiv_ring Not whataboutism, glad you told me youre 16 years old tho, learned your first buzzword.
The point is that OP is a hypocrite, literally 90% of games already do this, yet theres never been a concern for "compromises" to security.
@@declaringpond2276 The level of risk is different between helldivers and vanguard. Yes when you are playing both valorant and helldivers, if at that time someone uses an exploit, you will be compromised the same. If on the other hand I am not playing valorant and helldivers, the exploit would only affect valorant since the program must be running from system boot, not game boot.
Today I learned I have no kernel level anticheats in my PC. I'm not going to start now.
You sure about that, even singleplayer focused games with some coop or pvp slapped on them have them, like AC6 and Elden Ring both using EAC.
@@PhantomMiria22If you only play League, you dont have any anti cheat XD. feels nice to not have comments deleted XD. Every comment now is critical of vanguard. why did they invest so much in hiding the truth?
@@PhantomMiria22EAC for example is not kernel level in that regard.
For example, if you use linux, EAC ONLY has access to userspace, absolutely not root or even worse, kernel level access (witch runs at boot).
EAC only has access to the environment steam/proton/wine sets up. NOTHING else.
Another example is Helldivers 2, works perfectly fine without it needing to see anything kernel related.
Not all anti cheat Programms a Allway´s on.
Or problematic as Vanguard bei launch day or to day.
So you have less attackengels by ohter anti Cheatsystems.
why comments are getting deleted constantly under this video?? xD
For me, it's not my data i care about, it's my machine. I've heard horror stories about vanguard stopping fans from cooling the pc, about bricking pcs and trapping them in a boot-loop. i'm poor as dirt, i literally cannot afford to lose my pc :(
If it makes you feel better I’ve have it consistently running on my computer ever since Valorant came out and have had 0 problems
Who’s telling these bogus lies and blaming vanguard for it 😂
@@mikelleonardi"it didint happen to me so it cannot happen" its baffling how this is the first thing tech illiterate people say
@@SaTyu_97 And for you to be scared about this is something a statistically illitirate person would do.
@@TunaIRL I've heard this stuff happen to those who played Valo, yeah, I ain't good with understanding this stuff and that part scares me.
I don't give a damn about other rumours, but this one... I ain't got the money to even comfortably upgrade my mobo n old ass CPU, I'd like for it to not get bricked.
So did that stuff not happen for Valo? Were the people supposedly affected back then just lying about it or?
I'm genuinely asking
My problem with Vanguard and why I'm dropping League isn't because of it being kernal-level. It's the fact that it's constantly active and can break OS if you try to reset comp without uninstalling it.
Yes. This happened to me on my old gaming laptop. I had to buy a whole new SSD to even use my laptop again.
broke my os when i reset my computer recently, its was a huge pain
I can't take this statement seriously from you after seeing your playlists. Might be missing a few screws
@@skubae4616What you said is called an "ad hominem" argument. It's not actually an argument tho, you are just making fun of the person who brought forward an argument. And that argument was imo. pretty decent and does not require any further authoritative validation.
Congratulations on applying big words you learned in your courses but here's the thing.... there's no evidence or explanation on why it breaks the os. He is just stating it does, therefore it needs to," further authoritative validation." or else its just heresy. Also questioning sanity is a common practice when it comes to the validation on what someone is saying, especially when there's no source. I hope you practice this in real life@@arouraios4942
So, i should give kernel level access to a company, that cant fix league client for 10+ years? And had data breach recently
Well chances stand good that you watched this video on a device from a company that has had data breaches and lots of buggy software in the last decade as well. Almost every big software or technology company has had both of those, so drawing the line at Riot games seems quite an artificial distinction.
@@lubue5795OS vulnerabilities do happen, but are a lot more rare and fixed a lot faster than RIOT will ever be able to. People who really care about those things would generally be on Linux as well, on which is even more rare. League doesn't really support Linux tho, and most people have no idea about how shitty their security is (I work as IT and I can't stand seeing windows 7 anymore) so your point is valid. Still I don't really think the rootkit anticheat will do anything. Gamer's club, valorant and gameguard's old ass games are infested with cheaters anyway.
@@lubue5795 Yeah and that's why one should be really careful when choosing drivers and other kernel level software. Thankfully modern operating systems get the drivers for you, so you don't need to worry about those as much and the only mistake you can make is installing vulnerable kernel software on your own
@@lubue5795 Yes... breaches in companies happen.... the difference here is that if that happens and you have vanguard you can be the one breached as well and not just the data you accepted to give to riot will be stolen but also your data in your computer is prone to be stolen... best part you'll not even notice anything until riot screams about the issue
@@lubue5795That doesn't mean, that you need to make your system even less save...
Bruh the difference between those anti-cheat and vanguard is that vanguard is always on... even when your not playing.. thats a huge difference.
Skarner where ;-;
Soon. They said on Reddit
Who
Next PBE or the one after that, so basically late - March/Early April
IKR! the next skin line sounds like a perfect skarner skin line
Fucking wait 🙄
Didn't scared me. I uninstalled LoL at the time they announced vanguard would come to league.
And to be clear: I avoid kernal level stuff because I am not keen of installing a weak point into my system at such a deep level -- Especially from a company that gets data breached all the time.
And I only played aram's anyways so not a big loss on my end.
Since then I lost 5 kg, have a better mental health graph and am enjoying myself far more.
For that: Thanks riot for helping me fixing myself. Can only recommend 🙂
The only time they got a data breach was because of social hacking. Out of all the things riot gets wrong, theyre don't get hacked. Leaks are a different issue, again its just social hacking. You cannot prevent people from getting tricked or going rogue, it happens
I just love how devs and game engineers straight up threaten everyone by stealing their data easily if they wanted to.
more reasons to stop playing their games, I'd say
@@IMDee at that point .. you just should throw your all electronics in trash and go to live in forest xD
@@Gamer9o, I wouldn't go that far XXD
That was the best part "Yeah, why would we use that to steal your data? we already did that with the other stuff"
It's not about devs stealing data, but about data breaches and giving easy access to a third party to every part of ur PC. And also what would rito do with the data they stole from u (in theory obviously)? They would sell it as every other company does
And have you seriously thinking about the Cyber team of any country will let this on loose? Remember the accusation always must be cross-checked with reality. For f*k sake, people still think RIOT is a Chinese company, and US's media doesn't want to let go of that delicious sweet pie on the front page when hearing a Chinese company stole their citizens' data without facing the Congress.
9:45
Joking aside, they could sell the data, there is a huge market for random data like that. How do you think those spam callers get your number? it was most likely sold to them by some survey or website you went to.
Exactly this "oh what is they gonna do with this" the most simple answer is sell it
If spam callers got your number, it's already out there tho. A lot of this shit gets sold by pretty big companies as is.
If you say "fuckoff" to the scam caller's enough, they end up putting you on a "waste of time" list tho, so that's something.
My only concerns about Vanguard is that if you uses modding softwares for something other then lol, you are better off selling your account. I had a hard time playing Val because it keep flagging me for cheating programs for Minecraft that aren't even running.
What a load of bullshit though.
I make mods for FFXIV, i've installed mods and used modding and CHEATING tools for games like Dishonored, Minecraft, Cyberpunk, Guilty Gear and others, I have a good bunch of very questionable unsigned software from github and all that with Vanguard and Valorant installed and working flawlessly. Never ever was I flagged or had any issues. Either check your damn PC for malware or stop using sus stuff in Valorant you dingus.
Then just use a VM 😬.
Im a code dev so I use a lot of tools like VS studio and other Cli tools for my job, I'm a bit concerned that it'll flag me falsely for doing my job
@@louisrobitaille5810 whats a VM?
@@TheAsigmaOfNoneBanned from OW and Val for this (I think).
I don't cheat and I don't see any other reason. I'm constantly working on something so it's always in the background.
NoWay (German Challenger Streamer) currently does an A-Z Challenge. He says during this challenge he time and time again realizes just how many champs are currently unplayable shit and it's never been this bad. Every other champ he plays he complains about.
I completely agree as a high diamond player. This is, by far, one of the worst seasons I have ever played in terms of balance. It started off nice, then people figured out that how unbelivably broken some things are and I actually cannot believe that Riot is happy with the current balance.
eh, thats start of every season though, some champs are just so busted and others are unplayable, but it will get better as time goes on
my personal issue with Vanguard isnt that its kernel level
its that it is the ONLY kernel level that runs as long as your pc does
where every other kernel TO MY UNDERSTANDING only runs when the game itself does
nor do they impact performance
it also does not SOLVE all cheating, infact other games with it still HAVE cheating issues
and for league, i am not willing to do that.
So you haven't looked up, how much cheating is in Valorant compared to CS2? That's just an example. Also you can just shut it down when you don't play. It takes like a second. So I don't see your point
I actually researched the effectiveness not long ago for a school project and while cheating is possible in valorant (the other game with Vanguard anti cheat) according to cheaters themselves it *is* significantly harder to create cheats for it and they last for a significantly shorter period of time (aka you buy a cheat and it'll maybe last you a day if not less. Although there are different promised lengths for some cheats) so it becomes much more expensive for those who do want to cheat. So yes, cheating is not impossible. But it is a lot harder to do and it is a lot less of an issue as a result. I hope that league's implementation will be as successful
There is alot of cheaters in Valorant. They had to ban to manually@@ardez8674
Having Vanguard start @ system start is the reason most people have issue with it; and what makes it sketchy.
If it were like EAC or any other that runs only when the game is running, no problem
@@Jackstermax That seems like a very weird line to draw.
You can always close the program if you don't want it running. Also, I'm fairly certain many people will play their game after powering up their PC and then won't bother to close the anti-cheat software afterwards, so for your performance on security it will really not make a difference.
So, this seems like a really minor thing to be upset about.
All that I'm worried about with Vanguard is that the amount of Hackers that will be affected only with Vanguard will not outweigh the amount of normal players who will not be able to play, due to hardware complications with Vanguard
This. I've got an oldie. I don't give a damn about the other rumours.
I do find that a large amount of people for some reason still carry the red scare stuff with it, as if the angels that the US companies are, are so much better with having your info. Everyone has that at this point. Don't give a damn where a companies roots are from, I just don't want my PC bricked.
Plus, vanguard Kills the leagues linux comunity, being linux community bigger than macos one, who is a big lol '
The day they announced vanguard coming to LoL was the day I uninstalled LoL. Kind of wild to think I’ve played this game off and on since season 2 and this is what finally got me to pull the trigger.
I will wait till the last day when they make it mandatory.
I will stop playing because of vanguard, but for none of these reasons. My pc just doesn't support it
@@xXVitalsXxrootkits anti-cheats don't really do anything and could be a vulnerability on your computer. People who want to cheat will find a way to cheat. Look at valorant, look at gamer's club, even gameguard in old ass games infested with cheaters.
@@xXVitalsXx or maybe he just play on linus. Is funny to see all the salty people like you point finger and call all "cheaters" cause vanguard is such a mess.
It flag you as a cheater if you mod skyrim or use bluestack for play phone games on your pc or even use emulators for ps1 / ps2 games
league of legends is already a chore to play, nobody plays it because its fun and now people have to hassle with vanguard of all things. It probably didn't happen to you but when i tried playing valorant with vanguard it didnt want to work and I had to go into my bios and do a bunch of shit I shouldn't have to do just to play a damn game and to make it worse if I wanted to close vanguard you literally need to restart your PC@@xXVitalsXx
@@xXVitalsXx there are very legit reasons to criticize vang. i think it's a bit cheap to assume anyone criticizing is automatically a cheater.
@@shiv_ring The guy has no pfp and unironically uses the 2008 format of usernames, hes probably young and doesn't understand what privacy is since his parents come in without knocking.
I genuinely stopped playing league for some which became permanent when vanguard was coming to league.
Same here. For the first time since 2016 I touched grass 🤗
Well good luck :D Y'all think this is a Riot thing because Riot is the only company mentioning about it. Just don't own a phone or a PC if you're so afraid. The same mindset would be if you walk out in public 'hmm I'm here exposing my self to others and any big guy just could come up to me and take my money or end my life'
man they gon be so upset:(
@@ardez8674 Bruh, I've seen many "why do you care" comments and bad analogies, yours is by far the worst one. Congratulations!
@@ardez8674 Yeah right, anyone could stab me in the street if they want so there is no reason to not give any person i see a copy of my house keys.
The PC I'm using can only run League around 60 FPS and sometimes drops to 20. With Vanguard running in the background, the FPS is definitely gonna drop
toaster gang represent 👇😭👇
I don't fear kernal level anit-cheat. What I fear is the company that made and maintain the GOD DAMN LEAGUE OF LEGENDS CLIENT having a kernal level anti-cheat.
6:10 Well, never played a single game from that list.
It;s amazing how I keep scrolling and everyone hates Vanguard. When you looked at the videos about vanguard in the past they had the comments massively controlled. Did they decided to end their contract with some propaganda company and cant keep up with flagging comments on Necrit videos?
"they wanted to remove power from item and give to champions" after seeing every champion doing 70% dmg just from items instead of their kit
You're missing the point of the rootkit, and it's intentionally overlooked by the article you cite: yes, they could use the client to run malware, but every antivirus on the market would see that and blacklist them in no time. The rootkit is used to evade such detection, so they can keep adding and running malware on your machine whenever the owner (tencent/CCP) request it or whenever a random dev jailbreaks their rootkit.
"CPP" lmao brother you are most likely on a windows PC, using internet. The US government already owns all of your data, windows is forced to give them a backdoor to all data, and your internet provider is constantly selling every bit of data, no VPN will save you.
Also why would the chinese government care about you?
People also need to understand the value of personal data.
Individually yes it might not matter, but in a significant number put a price tag on it and there we have a product.
ppl data is gone already .. with all the social platforms ... google .... all the internet pages asking cookies etc .... your phone .....million other games ... especially ones that you get free from epic. List is endless
Indomitus sounds like a Warhammer 40K thing because it is! The Indomitus Crusade is an ongoing war between the Imperium and mostly Chaos
I think that the fact this AC uses so much ram to work at all times and that makes your computer slower isn't talked enough. Basically they kicked out of the game the people that play with 40 fps top
That's sad of course, but accomodating those players comes at the costs for a much better security and probably a better gaming experience for the rest. After all, it's quite undeniable that Vanguard is very effective at combating cheaters and scripters while it may also help with enforcing bans.
@@lubue5795 no it's not, there hasn't never been a problem with hackers, pretty sure 99% of the playerbase never encountered one. As for "better gaming experience", wtff are you talking about? They will not give you a better experience. If the last 3 years didn't teached you that then you must be pretty naive, and don't forget about the client and the spaghetti code
@@lubue5795 so good you can get quite some neat tic tocks or shorts of cheater in valorant.
They fucked up so badly they got cheater in official tournaments.
How many cheater you find in lol, asode all the "i lost lane! is a cheater! he lagswitchdd me!"?
@@frankhorrigan1508 There's so much more to hacks than obvious aimbotters and shit like that. There's hacks that just give you extra information on screen and that calculate things like timers and stuff, and these are completely invisible to other players. Also, it's not just for hackers. It's gonna make it easier to detect botters or permanently ban people so they can't just make a new account.
@@frankhorrigan1508 It's not just hackers but scripters and cheaters as well and those have only increased in recent times. The League subreddit has had a lot of people complaing about scripters in the last year and big streamers have complained as well about a notable increase in their games. There are also newsarticle about this topic out there that you seemed to have missed as well.
And you seem to not know that Vanguard also makes it easier for Riot to enforce bans and so punish toxic people and toxic smurfs especially since Vanguard can recognize it when you switch accounts as the device is still the same.
Seeing as complaints about toxicity and smurfs have gone up as well, a stricter and more efficient ban policiy will lead to a better experience for the majority.
I hate the fact that it running all the time. They should just run when i open league client not always. I'm a dev and i have many tools and software running, if vanguard cant be smart enough to know that, my account would be ban and i dont like that
My hobby is to coach League players in learning Dota 2. Recently, half the new guys say they are quitting due to Vanguard :D
Nah I'm good
I remember my brother wanted to play valorant on my pc when it was released so i let him install it and play, to my shock after a few days my pc broke and had to reformat it and wiped my data because god knows what vanguard did to my pc.
I recently came back to league after years of not playing on january but stopped the moment i learned that they will be putting vanguard to the game. Props to the people who will still play the game tho
That doesn't sound like Vanguard did that lol. Kernel level anti cheats are bad, but unless it was using up too many resources that it fried your PC, it's not going to just brick your PC. I would ask your brother what he did besides playing valorant lmao (or you)
7:54 I understand the sentiment and I'm honestly not that opposed to vanguard (within reason) but that's kind of like saying 'I don't need the keys to your house to break in so you might as well give them to me'
Well no imo its more like "i already have the keys to your house so why are you afraid i make sure the locks work correctly"
I love this analogy.
@@GoddessLunaMoonNo, its like "I already borrowed your keys a couple of times (and could have made copies/installed cameras in the house), so I openly ask you to give me a spare pair and let me install cameras all over the house that run all the time"
We are not talking about Riot anymore... We are talking about tencent and all it's implications...
My issues with Vanguard are that there is no good way to play League in Linux anymore. And to be fair, I'm not really comfortable running kernel-level software made by Riot. Just looking at League alone, there are so many bugs that show up from time to time, some of them not fixed to this very day. It's not about the game developer or the company stealing my personal data, it's about possible vulerabilities in the anti-cheat software that enable OTHERS from accessing them. I'm not trusting Riot with providing software that's secure enough in that regard.
You didn't watch the video, did you. If you have the game installed, it doesn't need kernel lvl access to your PC for devs etc. to steal your data. So why would the other users need kernel lvl access to steal your data?
@@ardez8674
Did you read his post?
"made by Riot. "
and
" It's not about the game developer or the company stealing my personal data, it's about possible vulerabilities in the anti-cheat software that enable OTHERS from accessing them. "
@@ardez8674 I don't think you understand what you're talking bout my guy, the comment is talking about them nasty breachers, not devs. If devs have bad intentions, they can implement sub programs to the games so they collect data. Now, if a breacher GETS access to league data for example, they can ONLY access to whatever data the game CAN get and already has. Now, if they breach into a fucking kernel anticheat, they literally have access to ALL of your data, not being limited to what only the game gets.
@@ardez8674 Well and you also dont understand what it is all about. its about a 3rd party witch can use a kernel lvl software to put a malware on your pc with kernel acess which means it can ignore security features, its not that hard to understand. riot can install things because you give them administrator rights because you give them the right voluntarily and sure they can do stuff which is unlikely because a data miner would figure out and then it would be an pr disaster for riot. But it cant install other things without your knowlegde kernel is one higher and can just do what it wants in your system. which means when there is one security breach a 3rd party hackers/goverments and so on have full controll over your system. And big diffrence he always ignores is that fortnite kearnel eazy anti cheat at least doesnt endanger you while you did not even start the game. Riots thing is an always on thing which starts before your operating system boots up, and yes i have seen that you can disable it but people who dont know it better will not notice it and you have to restart the pc just to play the game after it. its incomparable to fortnite kernel anti chat.
@@ardez8674 his issue isn't data being stolen, it's the fact that Riot isn't a company known to make bug-proof software. Kernel is literally the heart of your OS and the thing bridging software and hardware, any vulnerabilities in a software running with that level of authority on your computer might have tremendous consequences on your machine as a whole.
so the issue isn't data privacy but how solid and secure vanguard will be to ensure that nothing happens to his machine when he installs it or down the line in the future, and you know there will be people out there trying to reverse engineer how vanguards works to exploit it for their own benefit
mfw I have never installed Fortnite, Fall Guys, Halo, PUBG, Rainbow Six Siege, Apex Legends, Ark, For Honor nor Call of Duty, and this just gave me another reason not to
The list is longer than what he showed in the video. Iirc Blizzard applications also use kernel level anti-cheat for games like Overwatch. I'd highly recommend you do some more research to see the full list of games that use Kernel level anti cheat
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Dont worry, this is mostly Necrit having no clue wtf he is talking about as very usual
There is little issue with the anticheat being kernel level by itself, since in all those games it is initiated with the game, and terminated with the game
The problem here is you literally have no way of playing league other than initiating the anticheat by turning on the computer, said anticheat booting up BEFORE your SO and being able to expose and being used for a myriad of completely fucked up stuff
@@fuckoff3076 it runs early like this and is always running in the backround to do the job its intended to do, just better.
for those that dont know, vanguard doesnt connect to the internet until u do launch the game. it also barely does anything in the background. ive monitored it plenty of times and its activity when im not playing the game is extremely minimal.
Atleast those games company didnt have data breaches all around like riot games
custom skins - riot vangaurd is messing with cool custom skins, riot does have a case against them loosing money, but again, most of what they get comes from the whales. but in reality not having support for these blocks a creative portion of their community with actual modders that can potentionally give cool ideas riot could use.
Is it believable that i never played the games are listed in the video as having the kernel level anti cheat systems?
I just really hope i can still mod lol because the fun sounds and models are what makes the game more enjoyable
that list is far from finished
EAC which is listed there also is used for A LOT of games, such as several MMORPGs or Elden Ring, for example
yeah i modded lethal company, hopefully the colonel anticheat doesn’t boot me from league because of that
I was permabanned for modding when Vanguard didn't even exist, so I'm sure they won't be gentle with that either. They even flag mods from other games as cheating.
If you've played a decent amount of different multiplayer games, you've 100% played some with kernel-level anti cheats. It's a wide spread thing
the only thing i ask is vanguard close if i close the game and open if open the game i don't ask much
I mean. You can close vanguard whenever you want
@@nixsnowsong6732 but you need a whole reboot of your pc for few league games.
Is sure fun "ok brb guys! Need to restart the pc", clsoing all, rebooting, opening all, do some aram. close again vanguard.
How come riot cannot make a decent launcer / client and fail miserably on an anticheat? Shortcuts and low budget
@@nixsnowsong6732 you need to restart your PC everytime you turn vanguard on and off
@@nixsnowsong6732 yeah you can close it, and now if your friends want to play with you after you did it you gonna have to restart your entire pc to enable it again
And then need to reboot my computer to re-activate it. No.
Vanguard fried my old pc when valo came out
You forget that Vanguard being kernel level also means that linux users are ruled out, as vanguard wont accept compatability layers or VM/Hyper-V
about vanguard, linux players wil be going away since riot doesnt care and put something to actively push them away, custom skins will also be gone probably.
From what i know about vanguard, it needs to boot up with your computer, so if you close the game and exit vanguard you would need to reboot your pc to be able to play league again, some people dont want to deal with something kernel level running all the time and also dont want to keep rebooting their pc every single time they want to play league
And I am still here waiting for an Aphelios prestige
The PROBLEM is its KEPT RUNNING even if League isn't running. That's the point, I play games that use a kernel level driver, but they QUIT/UNLOAD when the game exists. I don't care if Riot thinks someone might load some cheat driver. Rebooting the computer just to play League again is not a good playable experience and im not going to do it each time. Let alone if another anti-cheat root kernel driver loads and Vanguard thinks its a cheat driver...
You can just shut it down. I have Valorant in my PC and play it every now and then and Vanguard is not on. Where do you read this nonsense?
@@ardez8674Vanguard isn't reliable when it comes to how it works. Some days you can launch it without it being always on while other days you have to restart your PC to play Valorant.
@ardez8674
If you close Vanguard, you HAVE to restart the PC in order for it to run again, thus allowing you to play Valorant and soon LoL
Meaning, you can’t close Vanguard and then open Valorant/LoL whenever you want.. you will need to restart your PC in order to do so
??? The vanguard app is on but only actually runs when you turn on league/valorant you can quit vanguard when you finish playing but have to restart your pc if you want to play again, nowadays everyone has a ssd at least, so its not that big of a deal if you dont trust it to be on when not playing.
@@mendyc158 oh no you need to restart the PC!
I personally don't have a big problem with Vanguard and most of my pals neither. But some of my friends, droppend League, because "it is an Anti-Cheat that is always online and connected to a chinese conglomerate". The China critic is valid to some degree, but there are multiple other companies connected to chinese companies that also use kernel-level anti-cheat.
Personally I would love it, if Vanguard works more like PunkBuster (from Battlefield Games), meaning it is only active when the game is open.
brother, if they are running windows, or using internet, all of their data is not only sold to other companies, but sent off to the US government.
@@declaringpond2276 I know, that is why I think their concern of "My data is sold to China" is valid, but one-sided
@@GemanStarLP its not valid if they arent also concerned about the US doing it, otherwise its just racism lmao
@@GemanStarLP the china stuff is more of a red scare propaganda type thing in my opinion. I don't give a damn where the roots of a company are, most of the big ones are scummy, anything for profits ones that will sell this stuff on a pinch. US ones are far more notorious for this, unlike the EU where laws have been updated on privacy for these things. Yet I'm pretty sure most folks spouting out "But China!" are from the US to begin with.
My friends wanted me to get valorant and my computer kept detecting Vanguard as virus and I was too lazy to try and fix it so I just uninstalled and never played :D
The thing is not in itself that the anti-cheat is kernel-level thus giving it access to everything on your PC. The problem is that now in addition to relying on Microsoft/Nvidia/AMD/etc. not being compromised and building software without vulnerabilities (that have years of experience being targeted) you now have Riot - a Chinese owned company with a recent history of being compromised and having bugs all over league of legends. You can't "antivirus" a kernel level program, you just trust the company not to have 0 day exploits or malicious intent.
It is like giving your neighbor a key to your house once for him to feed your cat once, as opposed to permanent giving him a spare pair and access to cameras all over your house so he can check when the cat gets hungry and then feed it every day.
I have one minor problem when it comes to uninstalling: for some reason, when I hit uninstall for League in the app settings on my PC, it never works. Idk what I'm doing wrong.
I wanted to play valorant a few months ago, vanguard was so shit for me that if I didnt open valorant within 5min of booting up my PC, i would have to restart my PC and try again.
Support told me to go into safe mode and try a few things. I said no Im good and just uninstalled it all. At least I hope it was all of it.
Vanguard be like, finding solutions for problems that aren't there. In 14 years of league, i've barely encountered any cheater.
And what elo are you at lmao? Cheaters are more prevalent in higher elos than lower elos… because their cheats bring them there 😐. Scripters are also very hard to distinguish from a normal high elo player playing in low elo unless you know what to look for. It's often much more obvious in high elo because the gap between very good and perfect is very hard to get over and even if you've been playing for years, always playing perfectly is nearly impossible. On a side note, I've encountered at least a dozen scripters in my 5-6 years of playing the game and I've never been higher than plat.
low elo confirmed
lol cause we are low elo my dude
@@louisrobitaille5810 So let's ruin the game for 94% of players for the 6% of players... seems fair.
@@Knight-Cyberia PREACH!
The biggest problem with Vanguard is that it RUNS EVEN WHEN LEAGUE IS CLOSED.
This is a big issue for me. If I'm not playing League, I don't want or need it's anticheat to still be running. I don't quite trust League to be foolproof with this.
Yeah. I have seen the tests for Viego and he does look fun in WR. Love the Veigars Ult button as his E ability
I thought kernel level anti-cheat being a problem was because of the kernel level authority. If riot screwed something in that level, it can screw other kernel level processes which can lead to fatal results. I dont think the problem was "Data steal"?
Personally vanguard killing all Linux viability makes it dead to me. Full time Linux user here (arch btw) and if they have no interest in even letting the community work out support then I cant see myself playing it in the future. Many games/companies have recognized that allowing Linux users to play their game doesn't harm the integrity of the game as a whole and i hope maybe riot will one day get there.
Riot needs to change a lot of things regarding to linux, starting with the old discourse that linux atracts hackers, witch is kinda stupid, when you think about what os is the more atractive for them
"They recorded on February 15th and since then... not much has happened."
The LCK DDoS attacks would beg to differ
The problem with kernel level anti-cheat is that they can be used as an attack vector for *others*, especially Vanguard, which stays active after you close the game.
It's also one of the few popular kernel level anti-cheat that does not function on Linux, which sucks
I just wanna thank Riot for helping me quit league for good.
Vanguard might not be the first Kernel level anticheat, but unlike others it's running the whole time on the background and you have to manually turn it off and then restart your PC again if you want to play the game once again. Other anticheats are automatically turned off as soon as you exit the game. Kernel based anticheats which are used properly are the current future of anticheats and therefore it should be used. These anticheats are more realible, precise and quick.
I don't mind when the anticheat on any level is running in the background while I'm playing my game, as I have nothing to hide from the devs. On the other hand I don't like the idea of it running in the background the whole time. Firstly, it will at least slightly impact the performance of your computer and secondly I just don't like the idea of some program running beyond my control and sight the whole time.
6:02 because others have it does not make it better and a key diffirence is that vanguard runs on START UP and is always on. meaning as long as it is installe you are susceptible to any backdoors inside the software, meaning if a security vulnerability is spotted and you have not been paying attention to recent news, you are most likely going to get infected. Kernel level just increases the amount of shit it can fuck up.
I have tried vangaurd, it literaly does not work on 2 diffirent pc s of mine, first time i installed it bluescreened, second time most applications just started shitting the bed.
And in general its going to be bypassed in a week anyway just like most drm does and the general playerbase just has to suffer the consequences for a minority
My pc is already slow as it is. I really dont wanna see the Vanguard
Of course you are going to defend Riot.
All of these points of "why would they want to steal your data, what will they do with it" are pretty invalid for a simple reason - your personal date can be sold, and there is a big market for it that's not regulated by any laws (yes, corpos spying on you and selling your personal information is perfectly legal, we live in a society). So even if some theoretical evil game devs were stealing your data, they don't have to have any good reason for it, it can be simply to make a quick buck on the side. Like Sherlock Holmes said "if you don't know what it's all about, it's probably about money".
"You don't need kernel access to steal you data" is only valid if you don't consider that you can sandbox an app, which is the case on Linux and can be done on windows
I feel like data theft is a little too glossed over here- they don't necessarily have to use the data themselves. Remember, their parent company is Tencent.
Valorant is currently overran with cheaters. Let's put the not working anticheat security vulnerability on more players!
Well... funny enough , i dont play any other game that need a Kernel level anti-cheat. And i do care a lot about what i install. And my problem is that Riot does not need to have Kernel level control to let me play LoL. Its not that deep.
And yes... its not like league is my life so this may be the cause to leave, for good.
Oh and custom skins, league is 5x funnier with custom skins.
So riot is killing that as well
The big problem with kernel-level anti-cheat isn't that the corporations will do nefarious things with it, but that if, god forbid, a cyber attack was successfully carried out on the service, the attacker would now have root level access to any and all clients that have Vanguard running. That frightens me more than Riot stealing my memes.
Are we really going to pretend that Riot didn't just go on a spree of firing people right before rolling out the kernel level software. some of the fired and disgruntled employees who might now need money may have developed said kernel software and have access to in some way?
They shouldn't but stuff slips through corporate cracks all the time.
i wish they added a option to have Vangard uninstall and reinstall every time u launch riot client has for me i just dont want it running perma and u have friends with ram issues where they can play games like cyberpunk super high graphics but they might only have 12GB or 16GB and the game might crash if they even use a single % on top of systems and them making it so u can at list chose to find some way to make it simple to say restart with it on when u want to play league and when u stop it will stop and only be turned on again when u go to launch league making it so u restart (has it needs to) and so on so forth
it will have made me stay in the game and others i know but Right Now i cant go into league when they add it for my region
you can literally just turn it off or uninstall it and then reinstall it/restart your PC when you want to play. You can delete vanguard without deleting valorant and then redownload it and then restart your PC
So, Vanguard is pretty much useless as a anti-cheat mechanism, they know it too and that's the reason why ever time someone points out the program's fault's on their official Reedit page it gets deleted. But thanks to it's kernel-level access, it is a very good program for getting everything important from a device and making said device even more vulnerable to exploit for hackers and such. Anyone who knows that Riot games will going to look at everything on your computer(because they will), will just simply stop playing anymore, so that is some amount of players. Not to mention they updated LoL's system requirements so a lot of people who don't have windows 10 and above will not be able to play, and that's a good amount of people.
And about the part that a program doesn't require kernel-level driver to steal your info... that's somewhat true, most of the time it requires for you to agree to run said program as an administrator and such. Most of the time you can check a programs license too for validation.
Also, I love how the article said that it's the Developers who don't need your info... because sure they are the "problem" lol, yeah let's ignore that said developers work under a company that DOES want more info about you.
vanguard is more defenitely not useless as an anti-cheat mechanism. Compare Valorant to any other shooter and the amount of cheaters is wayyyyy less. There are a lot of valid complaints about vanguard but it not doing anything is most definitely not one of them
Can you link some sources?
I'm a Linux-player, so for me it's less about me being scared as much as this announcement meaning to me
" Heya! Guess what game you're not gonna be able to play anymore~ "
Same here
i dont mind having an anticheat run on my machine when i play the game - I DO how ever have a big issue when said "anti cheat" runs as a virus all the time on my system untill i format my machine
The real problem with a kernel level anti-cheat is that if theres a vulnerability in the software you are fucked. While you may not expect Riot to be malicious, the same cannot be said for anyone with knowledge of these vulnerabilities. You wont even have permissions to modify or remove the anti-cheat without significant knowledge, and if the vulnerability is bad enough you may never be able to remove it even with knowledge of how. Once you give a software access to read/write memory indiscriminately they've already hit a hackers end-game, they can do *LITERALLY* anything they want to with your system at that point.
Okay, but this is Riot we're talking about. Their code is going to be so incomprehensible that it will take actual hackers decades to find an exploit.
This was exactly what people were complaining about in Valorant but now everybody LOVES it. So don't worry. Its a very good system.
Example where this actually happened please, tired of reckless doomer speculation.
Honestly feel like the title of the article should be "Dev's don't understand why people don't like Kernel level anti-cheat". No I don't think Riot want to use this to steal my data and I am well aware that they could do this through the official client if they wished.
The issues are to do with opening your system up massively just because you want to play a video game (A perfect example being the genshin anti cheat vulnerability). And yes I don't play any of the games listed that have kernel level anti-cheat (that said I do almost all my gaming in Linux now so most probably wont even run if I did want to play them).
@RobotMasterSplash
I believe Genshin Impact had an incident with their anticheat
Vanguard for League is a bad joke
when valorant first came out i installed it and vanguard disabled all of the functions from my laptops keyboard and mouse, i dont know the science behind it but not even 10 minutes after installing it, it had rendered my laptop unusable
They are always saying they are happy with what they change every time if nobody has noticed
What did they change on vanguard? In december it still required vanguard from boot up and reboot if you closed it. Kept eat around 8 % ram just cause and if you have wi dows 11... Most likely, as did for myself, you need to put hands in your bios.
State of the game is a joke. Power is still on the items, not the champion since (atleast to me) haste was more tied to your ability aka your champ. Get more damage and pop people in a single rotation kf spell... Tha's on the item buffing you that much. Toplane they're clueless as tf cassio vayne and akshan are the top wr and slowly creeping up also on playrate
Also... Let's recall how they keep say they improved their client but is still slow and buggy. Hoe can you trust an anticheat that diden't flag cheaters into an official tournament (where mr toast team lost against)
I think players who are anxious about installing Vanguard aren't worried about what Riot think of you. It's more to do with vulnerabilities from a potential cyber attack that exploits the kernel-level access, and the fact that Riot are answerable to Tencent, who are answerable to the CCP. Being a Chinese person myself, and with family living there still, I'm certainly apprehensive about it, but I'm willing to concede that I'm just paranoid. My friends definitely think I'm kicking up a fuss over nothing that serious.
Performance is the LEAST concern with Vanguard. The problem is it triggering other anti-cheats. If I get banned from Destiny for having Vanguard running at all times. Riot WILL NOT have a good day.
my friend is completely new to the game, after a month or so we managed to level her account to 30 and we hopped to ranked immediately, my acc was gold 1 last season and throughout all 5 of her placement matches we had emeralds and plats in our games, even after losing 4 games, not to mention her stats were terrible and that didnt matter to her rank
8:20 the problem is not that riot can steal your data, it's that riot has been hacked last year, could be hacked again, and now the future hackers, instead of playing with an application in userspace, can have fun with software running at the kernel level
Let's talk bugs. If Riot cannot even fix the client and everything they change something in the game something completely unrelated breaks, do you think that's well designed software. Riot being riot doesn't need malicious intent to damage the OS, and that's one major reason to not give them access to the kernel, specially if it's going to be constant access.
So, you're fine running Apple's, Microsoft's, Google's and all the other big gaming companies' buggy software on your PC but you draw the line at Riot?
good an all about the new bots, but do they flame? its a key part of league that needs to be added to prepare them for ranked if they choose to play.
Vanguard can still be bypassed so basically you just have a vulnerability in your pc while cheaters can still cheat it's dumb
I mean, yeah, but the best way to avoid cheaters is still not to play League
HAH true that
Please Necrit, first of all comparing Vanguard to other anti-cheats is disingenuous, other anti cheats shut down after you close the game drastically reducing the risks associated with kernel level access, Vanguard runs on your PC the whole time unless it's uninstalled and the PC is restarted. And no you can't just disable it even after the updated version, Vaguard still behaves similarly as the old one, the difference is that it turns on whenever it feels like even after you chose to disable it in the options.
Secondly, the "risks" people are talking about have nothing to do with developers possibly stealing your data, most people don't care about big developers stealing your data, the issue has more to do with possible foul play from a third party whenever Riot security is breached because with kernel access you can do much more than steal somebody's data, your whole PC is at risk. Yes, there's still risks associated with other anti cheats but the risks are significantly lower than from an anti cheat that runs 24/7, Vanguard is like leaving the door of your house unlocked 24/7 instead of only when you play games.
Please make more research on the topic because a lot of the things you say sounds like damage control and regurgitating what other say, instead of relying on articles you should check how Vanguard behaves yourself with CMD, TCPView or similar programs. This isn't a conspiracy it's something you can research and check for yourself in few minutes.
If they are gonna improve the A.I Bots, they might as well update their Tutorial mode
The head on the kha'zix artwork teaser looks like his championship skin and I cannot unsee it.
LMAO, spreading Tencent propaganda I see.
Same, for me Necrit is riot's pupet. He spreads propaganda like butter.
The US government requires windows to give them a backdoor to all your information on your PC, your internet provider must also provide such data to the US government. The patriot act legalized 24/7 monitoring of citizens, this was 17 years ago buddy. You clearly don't actually care about this, otherwise you wouldn't be typing on youtube
So if Vanguard gets installed with a League update but i deinstall LoL Vanguard also dissapears right?
So let´s say if i wanna play a Round of LoL and install the Game and delete the Game again after playing 1or2 rounds
Vanguard also dissapears right?
Yeah I think that will work but it excessive
Well the bug with placing ppl way higher than they were supposed to be into gold or plat may explain why I was 100% convinced about bots in my games a while ago. Happened 3 times. 1 yuumi, 1 lulu (both as my sup) and 1 evelyn.
4:15 the damage to the ladder wasnt massive but the dmg to my mental health was when my friend whos been playing for like 2 months and plays on a level lower than iron went 0/5 in his placements and got placed plat 4