***** First off, nice grammar. Second, science hasn't only proven that you don't need a male and female role model. Professionals in child development have also determined that a child only needs an adult responsible enough and able to care for them. It doesn't matter if it is two moms, two dads, one mom and dad, one parent or even guardians the child is or isn't related to. The child needs to be brought up in a stable environment. Being gay doesn't effect the child whatsoever. If that were the case, explain why heterosexual parents have gay children? Because of birth order. Not your upbringing. Being gay has also been proven to be natural and normal. That it has to do with genes and biology. The only thing sad here is the fact you don't want to progress in the evolution of human kind. So you will be left behind in the evolutionary process while society educates itself and moves forward.
***** Really? You does matter? You have no idea what you are even talking about, do you? You are throwing a tantrum because I am right and you are wrong. Science has proven, as well as specialists in child development, that children are not effected by same sex parents. If it really was a danger, why let so many lgbtq+ parents adopt/foster children? Because it is perfectly healthy. Also you should know that I am pansexual and not even close to being a nazi. The only one speaking of hate and intolerance here is you. Saying that lgbtq+ parents are incapable of raising children. The only ones hurting children are people like filling their heads with lies and bigotry. Grow up or be left behind. You can be against same sex parenting until you are blue in the face, but same sex parents will still be able to raise them. You can protest all you want, but it is still going to happen. Just like same sex marriage. Good day. #LGBTQ+Pride
Muhammad Abdullah Try to understand that having a mom and dad is NOT a requirement dear. Having a parent is. Regardless of gender. As studies have proven. Children who are raised by same sex parents, a lot of times have turned out healthier and happier.
Nichole Lilith Turner suppose that a human eat rice with spoon but if there is no spoon he/she can eat it without spoon by hands. but after that he/she need tissue paper or water or soap to wash his/her hands because he/she can't work with oily and dirty hands. but if they eat it with spoon they will never need it anymore. okay fine same sex raise the child healthier but its not normal way to raise, something extra will needed if dad is not available than spoon is not. dear if you says same sex raise child more healthier is proven than consider human urine which science prove that have more minerals than water why don't people start drinking their own urine just because it has more minerals no dear because its not natural and not normal too. thanks
***** Well at least your name ended up being a great title for the words that proceeded it... Ooooh..Where to begiiin... 1. Starting off with a "how do you know?" question doesn't put you ahead when you don't know either. 2. Also it would be sort of strange to blow the lid on everything to protest against gay marriage and leave out the damning evidence (experimenting) ya know..just because... 3. What kind of experiment could you conduct if you left out the possibilities(variables)? Can't use on a straight couple...kind of not realistic... 4. I "feel" is cute but it doesn't determine truth...look at religion.. so she can feel what ever personally just as much as "those two bone heads" can feel or say she's wrong..there's your free country.. 5. No one stated gays were perfect. Even if they did...it's unreasonable soo whatever haha 6. Your entire post has been nothing but opinions.. 7. You say most gay children were molested...because you somehow know most of them right?..And for the ones that weren't..well that's not important huh?? haha.. 8. You don't have to accept anything honestly..no one is equal to another not even twins so that's also irrelevant. 9. Reasoning with "Why can't you guys just do what makes me and others like me comfortable," is pure irony at best when you consider they want the same. 10. You want people to stop giving you a reason to realize that others aren't like you... An intelligent conversation can smooth over most bullshit issues we still deal with today but who wants to invite logic right? 11. In this middle of this trite, you actually wasted time typing "I don't care if you're gay or straight.."..except ya do lol.. 12. Finally here it is the "Gays serve no real purpose in nature." Except that gay behaviors have been all through out the times with animals and humans....sooo you can't decide what's good and bad in nature when its' "Natural" cycle predates and outlives you. Hmm how about overpopulation, since you crave a reason as if there needed to be one.. 13. Woow..there's so much here... Umm straight people can contract and expose others to the exact same diseases in the same way... Monogamy is a another "way of life" you've decided to attach a negative stigma to along with fallacious details as if the gays are only polygamist and not that that's bad but it's just not true. 14. Gee all these experiments and no data...just raw falsities and conjecture *yaaawn... 15. Oh the worlds been spinning just fine? Have you asked the world how it's doing? No you just live on it and look out for yourself you selfish twat :D
+Angry Foreigner nature is pretty simple in it's complexity. Fruit tree's need pollination to bear fruit. All this gay is normal stuff makes me feel like i'm in the twilight zone.
jameswwindsor If anything, it's all about the gay people actually. I'm not by far feeling like I'm not getting much attention, this is not the case. It's about what's natural and what's unnatural/abnormal.
So a whiny child in an adult's body was failed by the heterosexual father who abandoned her, and then blames her lesbian moms, both of whom loved her, nurtured her, taught her, and STAYED AROUND to raise her. And supposedly, this means that nobody at all in the gay community should have marriage equality? The stupidity is astounding and hilarious.
GodCreatesGays2 Having both a male and female parent figure present when raising children is critical to correct development. Girls/women especially need a father or the chances of them turning out right and not haviong prob;ems later in life are slim. Boys need a mother present. I could care less as to the marriage issue as that has little to do with it. It has nothing to do with the child raising dynamics, aside from offering financial benefits and additional resources.
Jerry Reiter I don't think so. She is typical of girls who were not raised correctly without a father. Being an understanding and non judgmental as you seem,(LOL) Im, sure you could have volunteered for the role and she wouldn't be on here spilling the "crap" out of her heart.
eddie telleed Of course, you are free to have and express any personal opinion, but your contention that children will not develop normally without a male and a female parent in the home is not supported by the data.
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eddie telleed There is no study in your favor. Just the opposite. And your baseless opinion won't sway anyone. LGBT people will continue to adopt children abandoned by heterosexual parents.
No, you didn't nothing in what you have said explained what gay marriage had to do with any of this but if I'm just not understanding it can you tell in a simpler way
Wrong. F/m roles have nothing to do with gender at all in reality, it is really the balance of submissive / dominant influence that a child needs to observe and learn the balance of. Neither of those traits require a penis or vagina. There are dominant men and submissive women. Vice versa. Hence it is common to make jokes at gay people about which one is the wife or husband. Because that joke is true. There are male wives and female husbands. It is a role of entitlement. Not gender.
the Heartless God when I say "Unless they had neither" I mean that a child without parents will be granted a mother or a father, and giving them a home is not somehow taking something away from them. That's what I don't like about the argument, it is an obvious ploy, to enforce one's personal beliefs on someone else by using orphaned children, and denying them loving homes. If these people wanted children to have both parents so badly they would do at least SOMETHING in the direction of finding them such parents, but no instead they only want to deny the orphaned child a home, which I find despicable.
Then they would never have parents to begin with, and it wouldn't matter since they would have to grow up without parents. Makes a difference; we need a mother and a father.
VD Peruvian Believe it or not there are orphaned children in this country. your telling me a child does not deserve a family that will take care of it, if that family consists of same sex parents? Here's some news for you, there aren't that many straight people that want to adopt, and here we are with a large group of people that DO want to adopt them, and you think they are better off without a home?
Scarlet Rose give me some sources and some statistics. How many straight parents don't want to adopt? I know many people who would want a child. I'm an only child. I'm lucky to be here. Poverty is a more serious problem than gay marriage, but that's not a priority according to you guys.
So true I am a twin and I got a single parent which is my dad. My mum left me when I was still a baby and all I can hear on the media is "single mums have it hard" or "Iceland's are for mums" bullshit my dad is all I can ask for, he is a role model to me and I don't miss my mum at all in never hear on the media about single dads and how it must be difficult for them.
+Summer Richardson That's not an argument in support of gay marriage nor does it address the situation Heather Barwick faced. It's an argument, at best, to repeal no fault divorce so a parent can't get out of a marriage/family so easily. I agree that children growing up without fathers is an important issue to address, unfortunately gay marriage doesn't address it.
Summer Richardson Well, I'll assume you're happy to have a conversation about this. When I first replied it was in response to the question you posted "what about the millions of kids who grow up everyday without dads who left before they were born?". I answered that clearly. It wasn't until you commented back that your "argument" was possibly revealed. I'm assuming your argument is, and I'll be honest I am having to make some guesses as it's not fully clear, and apologies if I'm wrong and please correct me if I am, that because many fatherless children turn out fine that, not only is her reasoning behind her being "messed up" somewhat invalid but also that it somehow supports the notion that broad societal outcomes from parental structures are not effected by diversity because "tons of kids don't have a father and turn up fine." Putting aside the notion that you're perilously close to victim blaming Heather Barwick for her feelings toward a situation she had NO control over, the position you appear to be arguing is that tons of kids without fathers grow up okay so being against gay marriage is without merit because if some turn out okay in the first scenario logic dictates the same would be true in the second. Your argument only holds true weight if your position proves out to be the majority because if you're arguing the exception to the rule you'll never prove the rule incorrect. Proper social science studies, whilst still in their infancy, currently show a clear trend that children raised in a marriage structure of one woman and one man have statistically better outcomes than ALL other parenting structures be it same sex, de-facto, single parent etc. If you believe that a fatherless single parent structure or a same sex fatherless structure has no effect on children then I understand why you hold your position. It's just not supported by facts.
I don't know about Heather, but my argument against your false analogy is that it's not healthy to teach a child to call one female dad and another mom. When will a gay couple sit down with the child and tell him or her that it takes a male and female to make babies and we have used a third party and we don't want you to know who the third party is? I'm guessing when the child has grown up and has probably found it out himself or herself and the psychological damage has already been done.
+Galaxy SII if you were to check the facts, you'd find that there is no psychological damage caused by same sex parenting. Where there are psychological problems, they tend to be caused by anti-gay bullying, not the same-sex parents.
So, instead of resenting her father she takes it out on the one person that actually stuck by her, treated her right, and gave her tons of love and support. She would rather have the father stuck it out for a couple more miserable years, and possibly have a longer shitty period in her childhood. And then have an even worse breakup. What a logic. I do not buy her story at all.
The mother left the father and became part of a community that doesn't need men. Yeah right the fathers the arsehole, and a three year olds memory confirms it. Mommy's a man hater, go read the story. _"I grew up surrounded by women who said they didn’t need or want a man. Yet, as a little girl, I so desperately wanted a daddy. It is a strange and confusing thing to walk around with this deep-down unquenchable ache for a father, for a man, in a community that says that men are unnecessary. "_
Frank Jay The father was tricked into marrying a deceptive woman. The deceptive woman than broke up the family by initiating a divorce. It was the mother's fault.
***** The mother left him, she was the agent of the breakup. That is all the information we have except for the "men are not needed" attitude of the community she grew up in. How does a three year old form a conclusion of "dad wasn't a great guy" unless that's the information she was fed. The mom told the daughter dad wasn't a great guy, unless you know something about early childhood memories from age 2-3 that would allow an adult perspective, assuming that any memories were retained and accurate.
magottyk Well a 3 year old wouldn't. A 31 year-old married mother of 4 would. It appears she based that opinion on her fathers complete and continued absence. I feel like I am talking to a wall in here with some of you guys, and I really get the feeling that there is something else going on in the subtext of your arguments about the father. Honestly, it makes me more than just a little bit suspicious. This conversation just wouldn't be taking place in real life, unless we were in a jail or something.
Rodrick Young but you said “children should be raised by a man and a woman” what if the father is an abusive arsehole? What if he died? What if he abandoned his own children? In that case most people will have daddy issues not only children with same-sex parents
As a lesbian and single mom, I disagree with TYT to an extent. They’re saying Heather’s experience isn’t valid. It is her opinion and she has a right to express it, though I don’t agree; it seems like her and her mom need to communicate and go to therapy and heal the past.
I think a child or her age and Naivety is hurting inside and needed some excuse to why she felt the way she did, so she used anything she could. Any child is hurting after parents break up especially if they abandoned her. Any child would be broken after an experience like that. It's only natural for her to blame it on something so she feels her life is not out of control.
@I'm Super Fat Sexuality isn't something that is a choice. If it was, wouldn't everyone choose away from the hardship and pain that comes with being in the LGBTQ+ community? because it is not easy. You say checkmate, yet I'm pretty sure I just took your king.
I hate how anti-gay are like "kids need to be raised with a mother AND father" And I'm over here like ....yeah so my parents are divorced so I only live with my mom...Pretty sure I'm still normal
+TheCrazyMango82 Don't try to play it off man. People that grow up in single parent homes usually have several problems, whether physically, mentally, or spiritually. It's been proven by numerous studies that kids grow up better most of the time when they are raised by a mom(female) and dad(male). I realize there are various circumstances like children being abused by their mom and dad, but it also happens in gay couple families too. Under the right circumstances, people are healthier in all aspects when raised with a mom and dad.
Fathers are overrated. My father was a cruel horrible man that wished would have die a long time ago. How I would have loved to had a loving respectful family. Oh well.
Lovecove4 me on the other hand don't think fathers are overrated ( if you tell me mothers are overrated since mothers day is more popular than fathers day. ) I grew up with both my parents and both my mom and dad are awesome. I understand this woman (also usually children with parents that divorce or split up will be attracted or love the parent in the wrong more because they want to be accepted. ) she just feels like its her moms fault instead of the dad's.
Lovecove4 I never had a father figure around and always wondered about how nice it'd be to have one...until my mum told me my dad (who I last saw when I was a year old) is a pedophile. I think I dodged a bullet, now.
A lot of you are defending her because she's expressing her feelings, But what she's saying isn't fair, She doesn't want gay couples to be able to get married, But she says she loves the gay community? She's obviously saying she loves the gay community for her own reputation. But anyways, She shouldn't wish to take the rights away from the lgbt community. That's so wrong and she's doing her parents so dirty. Like shouldn't she be grateful that she had TWO parents to teach her the ways of life? Litterally having a father figure wouldn't have changed anything, You should love and be grateful that you're parent's raised you because it could've gone worse and you could've been raised by a single mother, Not saying it's a bad thing but sheesh i wish i was raised with two parents.
I think she means as it SPILLS OVER ON TO INNOCENT CHILDREN WHO DESERVE BETTER OR NATURAL. It's not all or nothing. It is reality and if gays and lesbians could find a way to "keep it in their bedroom" as they first indicated when they cracked the closet door open then this CHILD would not have had to endure an UNATural relationship that messed up her core feelings. Which she is entitled to. If two gay women can produce their own child, then fine-do it. It is natural. If they can't, then every single solitary gay and lesbian couple with a child has an invisible or missing "other" person involved in the creation of their child. Which creates the same think an adopted child experiences. wondering about your natural parent. And some even have surrogates who carry the baby for them. Gay couples have babies where none of them are full brothers and sisters of the couples. So crazy. Can I hear you gay advocates speak to this?
Cher P There are plenty if infertile heterosexual couples who can't produce children naturally. Should they not have children at all? There are single parents, should their children be taken away?
I think she just felt like she had a void in her life. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. It's seems like this video is trying to force the idea onto us that it doesn't matter. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Everybody is different. Some people who grew up with two mom's are probably happy with it. The lady that they were talking about seemed like she wished things were different. Life ain't fair. We get what we get. I always felt bad in school for classmates whose parents were divorced. It seemed odd to me at the time because everyone I knew still lived with their mom and dad. It seems like things have changed. It's more like children who still live with both parents are the odd ones now.
the thing I find interesting about this is they are making the guy out to be a dick when he is actually upset because a lesbian woman used him to have a child then she was sleeping with another woman behind his back and then ran off with her and left him high and dry. the man was hurt and that makes him a dick? this man was used and dumped. again I feel sorry for the daughter because she was the one that was ultimately hurt. but dont down play the fact that her mother was sleeping with another woman and cheating on this man and probably really hurt this man.
+The Benjamin Banks Totally agree. And that's why TYT are terribly wrong here. They themselves condemn neglect and at the same time they don't take into consideration the whole story thus making wrong conclusions, based on their bias towards gay community.
+The Benjamin Banks You could be right. We haven't heard the father's side of the story (or at least I haven't). However, even though it could be as you say it is, you still have to question the father's dedication and love to his daughter. Its like Cenk said, "...if I have a kid, I don't care what happened with the mom, I don't care who she's staying with, It's *my* kid. I care about my kid. I could hate the mom, and I'd still love the kid." 2:31 He should've tried to find his daughter if the mom did run off with her. He's the father after all, so he has legal rights and obligations toward his daughter. He could even involve the police as what she's doing is a crime (assuming she did run off without his knowledge and consent). She can't stop him from seeing their daughter, unless she has evidence to prove why he shouldn't, but that's a whole other topic. So to me, it seems like he didn't care much about his daughter, not enough to really try and look for her and be a part of her life.
The point is that same sex marriage isn't the blame . If anything the daughter should be pissed at the mom if she really did use her father , not gay marriage itself . Wether the father was a dick or not the daughters logic doesn't make sense and she is still a terrible person for taking opportunities away from other people that have not done anything to her .
Are you...fucking DEAF? Him being cheated on by the mother (if he was) doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit father. Like Cenk said, "You can hate the mother, never the child". But of course you didn't hear that because you have a hearing impairment.
+Jazz Williams no I agree he is still s piece of shit father . BUT either way the daughter shouldn't be trying to take people's rights away bc she's surrounded by shitty people . Wether you think the mom is shitty or the dad is shitty . Same sex marriage isn't the blame . She wants revenge some how and she's going about it the wrong way .
my mother is a lesbian and broke up with my dad when i was 3....i only saw my dad 2 times before he died a week before i turned 7 years old. i'm 20 yrs old now and my mom has married a woman. i have no problem with that and i would never dream of taking away the community's rights just because i grew up without a dad.
bochap21 I hardly say seeing my dad 2 times at a very young counts as knowing him. I don't even have a memory of him. And honestly I would preferred to have a sperm doner as a dad because mine gave me up for drugs and died because of it.
bochap21 I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here and what point are you trying to make. The fact is my mom was young and I wasn't planned. She didn't choose to have a child with my father. And as regards to people who are donor children I can't speak for all of them but I have met a few and for the record, if this is a debate about lesbians and gays having a donor to help create a family then I hope you know there are plenty of straight single people who also use donors in order to have a child. As for the children of donors that I have met they have pretty happy lives and don't let the fact of their conception or "lack" of a father figure upset the balance of their lives. And if you are concerned about children growing up mentally and emotionally damaged because of a lack of parental figures in their life then try going to an orphanage or a third world country where they have no family or parents at all! Yet a lot of them are strong and push through life in order to survive. My concern would be more focused on the fact of how many irresponsible parents are out there who disown their children and leave them abandoned without any family at all.
bochap21 I have read your comments and you're trying to debate and insinuate things. My personal circumstances isn't up for debate in order to be picked apart in detail and derailing from the main issues that seems to be getting everyone "triggered". This issue here is that some people feel the strong need to take away gay marriage and rights to having a child wether that's through means of adoption or sperm donor or in my case an unplanned pregnancy. And you're stating that the reason their rights need to be stripped away is because they are simply being irresponsible and depriving that child of having both gender parental figures in their life correct? Well if so then I already answered your question before about how this lifestyle has effected me and others that I know. There is nothing wrong with growing up without a specific parental figure. Maybe I was fortunate enough to have a grandfather and a big family to replace the need of a dad. I don't know. But what I do know is a mom or dad alone can play both roles if need be and can give more then enough love and affection and important life lessons. Sounds like First world problems to me. People should be finding better things to be outraged and motivated by.
I do feel it's a betrayal too. The girl was fortunate to have been raised by two loving mothers and chances are, she never missed anything as a child. The thing that happened here is between her mother and father. It has NOTHING to do with the gay community as a whole. If anything, she should be mad at both her biological mother and father for handling their couple issues very badly. She just sounds very ungrateful in the way she presented things.
Nelson Mvondo the woman has abandonment issues....what can you do as a child when you have no choice in the matter. She didn't choose for her mom to be queer. She didn't choose 2 mothers....and the teasing she went through must have been horrific.
If the girl were gay, maybe she would be "fortunate". But for a non gay person, that is NOT fortunate. Its weird as hell. And the scent of it being weird never goes away. Without speaking a word, the nature of it the way it looks. The way you know, that sex "couple" can never produce children without bringing in some reinforcements outside of the marriage NEVER goes a way. And just knowing that if you are out as a family, EVERY single person, without saying a word, knows, the two of THEM did not make those kids. At best they are always a blended family. And therefore NEVER the ideal picture for anyone involved. NEVER.
Cher P And what the hell is wrong with having a blended family? There are some hetrosexual people whom either cannot have children naturally, choose to adopt, or simply have their spouse walk out on them causing them to raise their family on their own until they find someone else(a person who is not the parent of the children already born but will love them anyways). All of which are examples of blended families with straight people. The point is that the girl had two lovely people to raise her and make sure she was clothed, fed, and loved. My mom raised me and my siblings on her own because my deadbeat father got into drugs and stuff, yet I turned out perfectly fine without worrying what other people are saying and now I live with my mom, brother, half brother, and step-father. There is nothing wrong with blended family's, whether it concerns homosexuals or hetrosexuals.
I saw this girl’s speech, and TYT are misrepresenting her. She struggled with the sense of identity that was lacking. She said the pieces finally fell in place when she met her father
Michael John yeah, I agree. Dissatisfaction is a part of life. You don’t have the right to be free from dissatisfaction. And I don’t believe you have the “right” to 2 parents - male and female. How would you enforce such rights without infringing on freedoms? So I think that position is actually one that conservatives should stand against (together with liberals, for that matter). I just think TYT is deliberately misrepresenting this girl’s actual statement, which she derived from her own lived experiences. I think conservatives who champion this girl are also disingenuous. They’re just happy to wave a stick in the face of equal marriage advocates (of which I am one)
Michael John it is a gay problem. Heterosexual parents are lacking in the male/female dynamic that stands as the foundation for straight people to become well adjusted and learn how a straight relationship works. It fucks with kids hard.
Angela Tannor “gay people come from straight people” Yeah, I know. Hence, straight people are the ones who carry on the next generation, not gays. Therefore straight people set the precedent for society. How do you know this man abandoned his child? The mother decided to live a gay life with her lesbian partner. So what was he supposed to do?
BiFuRcAt3D DuPLiCaTuS it's all Satan's fualt they go into dark side cuz there not wanted an being treated like shit but I love them as a person not their disgusting choice of life to be gay sorry that's my opinion
gargouenzene She blames her mom for bringing her into this world and breaking her fathers heart. Yes the dad is a dick, but this women made him fall in love with her, married him, had a kid with him and then told him she never loved him in the first place. That is true evil right there.
How do you know the father left her? What if the mother got full custody and moved far away with her lesbian lover once she divorced him for another woman. See , you feminist minded females overlook other possibilities and only jump to blame the man. Smh You women make me sick.
+Mr Anonymous They know he left her because that's what the daughter stated in the original article. And if you're so pissed about apparently ALL women jumping to blame the man (deadbeat dad), switch the situation. If instead of a closeted lesbian it was a closeted gay man, would the situation be any better? Plus if your mennenistic ass took a minute to read through the comments or look any further past your own ignorant oppinion you'd find that its not only women and femminists that find the whole scenerio repulsive. I'm a bisexual woman however I don't consider myself a femminist while I do support some of the movement's ideals. I don't immediately blame the man in many situations like this but in this case, the father does seem to be the culprit. (PS I'm so sorry us women make you so sick. I'm sure your current/future/nonexistent wife would love to hear it unless of course you're gay yourself which would just be ironic). Have a lovely day.
Darby Hensley It's NOT a betrayal she clearly says that she loves her mother and stepmom very much and thankful for all the things they gave her when she grew up! She only said that she missed a father figure in her life, a roll that neither her mom or stepmom could ever fill and it is important for young children's development to have a prominent father figure in their life!
Darby Hensley u r brainwashed by the system. Grow up. It wasn't about her personal dad. It's about the fact that kids need a MAN AND A WOMAN to raise them. Not two of the same gender. How naive r u to the propaganda out there. You would have looooved north Korea
gamer,youtube and wattpad girl Wish I could help you, but I’m struggling as well. It’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack except someone else found the needle an hour ago and decided not to tell you because they kinda suck. Point is…can’t find any.
Some people think that a male and a female are essential to raise a child. They believe that every child, boy or girl, needs both feminine and masculine influences in their life. That's her logic even if it seems weird to most of us. She probably feels right in her own mind though.
I don't think not having a dad is to blame on same sex marriage. My parents have been married since 19, they've been married for 23 years. We all live in one home and I've never had a relationship with my dad. He doesn't speak to me. And I don't speak to him. And every since I was young when he did talk to me he verbally abused me. So I stopped trying and trying with my dad to find common ground with him and find opportunities to bond with him. Because he didn't accept my effort and relationships work both ways. I am almost 17 years old. And I have called him out for his efforts with me and also being an alcoholic. And he always blames it on me. I think if you have two parents that love you, accept that. That's better then having a dad that you live with but don't even know him or talk to him. My dad does not even know who I am as a person and that sucks.
jan simonides I just discovered I was bisexual a few months ago. But I've ALWAYS been in a long term relationship with a guy. So that stigma I think is irrelevant. My relationship with my father has nothing to do with my sexuality. And if anything, I would think people would try and have a guy to make up for not having a dad
Alyssa Dawn she's not blaming same sex marriage, she's saying what a child needs is a man and a woman to raise her!!! This is a biased piece. It's slandering her. She should sue this bullshit propaganda tv news anchor
Richard Lee you know I figured as much because ur just didn't make sense. They read to introduce the topic and then they gave us an interpretation in their own words of her reasoning
I wonder if part of it is her romanticizing the idea of having a father because she didn't have one herself. Some people have a tendency to think that the people around them are far more well adjusted than themselves, because they're aware of all their own flaws and fumbles, and all their own mistakes, but only see a small percentage of the mistakes made by those around them. That could lead one to think that everyone else has things together and choose to blame the one notable difference, when really, everyone has their issues they have to deal with.
That's true, everyone should take responsibility for themselves and be the person they want to be, dealing with their issues and such, regardless of those around them. But, I'd check out this thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ and there's a bunch of other sites that have articles on the statistics of people growing up without a father. If you don't want to read through it all, here's just a couple: 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes People who grow up without a father are much more likely to be involved in crime, drug and alcohol abuse, have mental disorders etc. Unfortunately that's the facts, and it's not to say that it's the case for everyone, and there's certainly other factors, but not having a father clearly has negative consequences.
I am curious about that, though, in that I wonder how many of those issues stem from situations involving abandonment, versus an actual effect of gay parenting. Basically, if the father leaves the parent and the parent remarries someone of the same sex vs the opposite sex, I wonder if that would have an impact on suicide rates, or if it was the feeling that their own father didn't want them or the stress of being raised by one parent that did it. I'm also curious whether in cases of adoption, where all the children have the potential to have those abandonment issues, if there are any differences in the experience of children adopted by gay couples versus straight couples. I agree that it's damaging for a father to just run off and never speak to their child again, though I don't feel in this case that that's the mother's fault as the father could have remained in the child's life. Arrangements have been made between divorced couples that didn't want to speak to each other to allow the father to be an active part of a child's life, after all. However, I think it's important to do further studies on the subject to figure out all the factors, if for no other reason than in a case like this where the father had already made the decision to try and understand what going forward would lead to the least damaging outcomes for the child. Personally, in this case I think the mother's relationship with another woman was the best option, because there was no getting the father to be a part of her life when he chose not to be, and it gave her a solid second parental figure. Marrying another man would likely only lead to failure of another relationship, which would have left the daughter in a position where she would have been abandoned by two fathers. The best option in my opinion would be to have a male friend who can be a role model in the daughter's life and can be around fairly often.
I'd also like to point out that a lot of these statistics say 'single parent homes without a father'. That's a very different situation from a two parent home without a father, and the two situations would have to be studied separately. Children of gay couples aren't even mentioned in that article. But yes, ideally she would not have had a child with a man before working out her issues with sexual orientation. That's one of the biggest problems with a society that has rampant homophobia, is ideas that gays and lesbians should just try being with the opposite sex. Allowing gay marriage and accepting gay couples actually decreases this sort of issue, because they get married to the same sex in the first place instead of creating a fake relationship to keep up appearances.
My father left me when I was 14 after my parents got into a messy divorce. Am I against heterosexual marriage? No I am not. I did not have the benefit of having another parent - female or male - because my mother was not interested in remarrying and I am perfectly fine with that because my mother gave me everything I could possibly want and more. If she were to get married now to another man, I wouldn't tell her no. Despite my parents' heterosexual marriage ending badly, I am not against the whole concept. If she were to marry a woman (I doubt it because she isn't bi) I would still support her because I believe that love is love no matter which form it comes in. Really the only person I am against in this whole situation is my father. I have no desire to ever see him and he is basically a stranger to me. I may not be perfect, but I didn't deserve his abandonment. I would never want to be with a parent who didn't want and was not there for me when it mattered the most so for the life of me I don't understand why this girl would speak out against her loving mother and step-mother and stand by her homophobic dad who clearly wanted nothing to do with her.
Thank you. My life is normal though. My mum's not interested in marrying again and if all of this has proven anything, it is that you don't really need a man - or a father - to ensure that your kid gets everything out of life. My mother gave me everything she could and never made me feel less for not having another parent. Single parents are capable of providing everything that two parents could if that single parent has the confidence and strength to do so. And the same applies to homosexual couples. They can provide for their children just as capably as any heterosexual couple.
+JellyLovesFaith And I love your last comment. Because it's true. My father abused me through my childhood and my mother didn't see it. But he abused my big brother with his fists and words too, and my mother would always step in to protect him, but that boy and I will never forget those evil eyes. Those disgusting words and that face never left me. If only my mother raised us, if she was just more educated to think openly and to have confidence in herself to do so, then I wouldn't be a psychological mess today. I want to raise kids on my own, but there's still a part of me that is afraid, since some people raised with a single parent say: "I grew up without the other half :'(" So, reading your story made me happy. You are a great person, because you had a great mother. :) 💕
The question wasn't to you but since you spoke (and I don't mind that you did) if you hold that same view that all love is equal & therefore "love is love" bullshit then they be opposed to an "adult" with a "minor?!" Would you also say arraigned/fix marriage is wrong too?
See, you're making assumptions. The girl's mother could have made her father's life into a living hell when he tried to be a part of her life. I don't know how bad it was back then, but today, the justice system favors women to a disgusting extent, especially with divorce and child custody. You don't have all of the data and it is kind of rude to speculate in this situation.
Aubatron Thanks for raising awareness on how corrupt the justice system is when it comes to divorce and child custody. If my dad wasn't smart and my step-dad wasn't aware of my depression my mom would've either taken me away from my dad or separated me from my little sister by just taking her. The whole system favors women.
Andrew Norton I'm not going to run down all of the statistics for you and where they are sourced from, but I'll tell you that this is not a debatable subject, because there is so much solid data backing it up. You can either take my word for it that the justice system seriously favors women, or you can look up the data yourself. I believe it is similar to this: Women get convicted less. Women spend less than half the jail time for the same crime. Women win most child custody cases. Women win most divorce cases. There may even be a few more that were not on the top of my head. This is why I can't stand most modern day feminists. They will defend things like this until their last breaths.
Aubatron "There is so much solid data backing it up." Doesn't present any of the data, even if there is so much. I don't disagree with you, but you pretty much invalidate your entire point because you refuse to back it up.
Dominic Mercurio No, I refuse to spend the time for you to take 20 seconds to took at what will take me 5-30 mins to look up, to say "I validate your argument". Stop being lazy and look up statistics that support the argument that what I'm saying is correct or incorrect. I'm not writing an article, this is the RUclips comment section. If I say there is data backing it up, it is your job to spend your own time to call bullshit if I'm lying. I will say it again. You can either take my word for it, or you can look up the data yourself.
1) Children are not a prerequisite to marriage. A same-sex couple can get married and never have children, just as infertile individuals or the elderly can get married and never have children. 2) What can a father offer that a mother cannot offer? It is a delusion to assume the sex of the parent determines what they can offer the child. 3) The same argument can be made against heterosexual marriages if the mother decided to get remarried to another man. The father still would have left and now she would have resentment towards heterosexual couples? Her argument has officially been debunked.
She is misguided, the same argument could be said as the father left and the mother married another man. Is not the gay factor, is your father is a jerk. Period.
that is not the case i bet he didnt know she was a lesbian before the maridge and THE BABY, she just used him for the baby and then she could be with her lower.And she insolted him probably for asking him to be a support for them, to be in the back ground, did she wanted to stay maride for him to be the kids male role model and the wife to be with her lover on ocasions.Women lie, they always say the story that suits them most.
this isnt Any diffrent than if it were another man not a woman GROW UP THINK WITH YOUR HEAD, she lied END OF STORY. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ARE EXCUSES YOU BOUGHT A LIE.
How do you know for a fact that she lied ? You're using words like "I bet" and "probably", yet you seem to think that what you say is absolute truth. Seems contradictory to me.
What you are saying is outrageous. After reading THE WHOLE letter I can see Heather is against gay marriage not because she's anti-gay, but because of the issue of same-sex parenting. She's not saying her mothers didn't provide her everything they could. She's saying they couldn't provide her with one thing she desperately needed, a father. You make it sound like missing a parent of one gender is only her personal situation, because her father was a dick, but it's not. Think in vitro children. Think gays using surrogate mothers. The situation she describes - aching for a father in a community virtually void of men, and comprised of women who don't even understand why you'd need them - is eerily similar to situation of many children whose rights you'd advocate for. Gay boys aching for men when everyone around them keeps pushing women into their arms. Trans girls bashed for wearing nail polish and told they betrayed their gender. I can't imagine how determined you have to be to miss the similarity. But you are running in circles. According to you, Heather isn't entitled to express her distress from not having a father, although she could do as much about it as gay youth can do about their desire for the same sex. This is the kind of progressive hipocrisy that I just can't stand. To end it with Heather's own words: "I know this is a hard conversation. But we need to talk about it. If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us. You taught me that." I know too that it might be difficult for you to discover that once you get as progressive as you possibly can, the world doesn't turn all rosy, but apparently IT DOESN'T. Instead of bashing people for having opinions, talk to them.
Sheriff V You have a point if it is in fact usual for same-sex couples to maintain relationships to surrogates (or sperm donors for that matter). I admit that I can't be sure how it usually functions in practice, since I live in a country where nor same-sex marriage, nor same-sex parenting is legal. But I find it hard to imagine that e.g. sperm donors tend to take active part in the life of the children they father. After all they usually do it for money and can even ensure their own privacy so that their responsibility ends with the donation. As for the adoption, of course I think it's better to have ANY parents than stay in state care forever. I also think that LGBT people can be especially loving and caring, because LGBT parenting is a result of a mature decision on the part of a couple (unlike in straight people, where you can just end up with a kid after a random one-night-stand). That's not the point I see Heather make here. The point she makes is that while the current progressive view of same-sex parenting is: it's not at all different from traditional parenting; two parents of the same sex is enough for a child - this is not true for her. And the question is not whether it is ultimately better to have such parents rather than none, of course it is. The question is if it's OK to have kids born into LGBT families and claim it's just the same. What you claim about the surrogates is already a kind of adaptation of LGBT parenting to traditional norms. It's more like giving a child 3 parents of both genders. What angers me the most here, though, is that TYT deliberately downplay Heather as a whiny ungrateful person. Yeah, she might be one. It might be the case that she just didn't succeed in her adult life and tries to put the blame on her upbringing. We don't know that. But if this wasn't a letter criticising LBGT parenting but, say, one from a trans person that blames their parents on the base of not recognizing their needs in childhood, TYT would LOVE it. They also have a knack for using one-time situations as metaphors for the whole society, as long as it serves their purpose. But this situation they disregard completely. If this isn't hipocrisy, tell me what is.
heheszki Personally, its just unfortunate that she feels that way. Thats my opinion. Just because her Dad wasn't there doesn't mean same sex couples shouldn't get married. I honestly don't get the logic. Her opinion doesn't really have that much of an effect so I am not that bothered.💀
Sheriff V That's why I have a bit of a different stand on adoption by same-sex couples than on e.g. artificial insemination of lesbian mothers. The adoption I have nothing against, there are kids who are in need of any home. The deed's been done, now we can just try to improve the situation of these kids in any way we can. But artificial insemination and decidedly depriving a child that is yet to be born of a father, nah, I don't really understand this. I don't think it's only the matter of genitalia :) Anyway, time will tell who's right. From what I've checked, the stats tend to claim the children of the LGBT parents are doing OK compared to others. But who knows, maybe there will be more people like Heather in the future
Asm Asm Haha that I don't really understand either. I mean, she uses the words "marriage" and "parenting" interchangeably. There are heaps of benefits for LGBT couples that come with the legalization of same-sex marriage that have nothing in common with parenting, tax benefits and such, I don't know what problem she could have with that
Being against gay marriage because it supposedly removes the ability to have either a father or mother figure? That's asinine. The missing figure can come in as a mentor. However, there is no outrage against people who marry for green cards, get mail-order, brides, do it to appease a baby-trap or just happened to get drunk and met the wrong person in Las Vegas. That is so hypocritical. If horrible motive marriages should be allowed with no outrage, then outrage against a marriage between any kind of loving couple should be ignored. I'm personally against marriage altogether, but I am 1000% behind anyone's right to marry who they want, no matter the motive. Nothing should block anything two or more consenting adults want to do with each other, including something as loaded as a marriage contract.
That80sGuy1972 there are countless studies that show that a la k of eather a mother or a father figure leads to a chiled having less of a chance of graduating colleg and there is plenty of outrage about marige for citizenship and othere marriges like it and as for being against marige why do u think the african american community is doing bad its not because of institutinal racism its because single mother hood is at 72% so the question isnt why shouldnt to people that love each have kids its why dont you think a child dos not deserve a loving mother and father and a stable home??
Sipho Nkosi Whats wrong with your argument is the fact that you are bringing up the problems with single parenthood yet these people are being raised by two people not one. These kids of same sex marriages have two parental figures instead of one struggling one.
I think she's wrong, but I can see how easy it would be for a young mind to blame same-sex marriage for her father problems when her mother started dating another woman after her father left. She was too young to know that her father was a dick, so she feels as if she's been robbed of a father. I bet you that if she actually met her father and seen what kind of person he is, she would change her mind about all this. I think it's kind of pretentious for you or for TYT to act like you are above her or that you know more about her feelings than she does. Try gaining some perspective.
As a lesbian I do empathise to a point with her as my dad was never in the picture either, I had nothing to do with him and yet... I still want to know the other half of where I come from. Opposing gay marriage won't solve that, my mom wasn't gay she re-married a man. I get that she's hurting and doesn't want to blame her dad for leaving but she shouldn't punish her mom for it. Man do I feel bad for all of them right now
***** And that is one of the reasons why I will never conceive a child. I would choose to adopt a kid that had no choice but to live without them already. It won't fix their emotional pain, but at least I could be honest with myself that I'm not taking them away from something they needed. I wish more would do that instead of surrogates and sperm donors, but that's just my opinion.
whizkid I don't mean to be rude, but who are you talking about/to? I never said anything about the father at all, just that I understand the girls viewpoint, but how her suggested 'fix' won't solve the actual problem. (as they don't corelate, but I can see why she thinks that and where her hurt is coming from)
jan simonides It's the same when straight parents divorce. If one of the parents don't want the child, then they are going to be raised by one biological parent. But its legal for parents to abandon their kids.
The hole that she feels due to her father choosing not to be in her life wouldn't even be filled if her mom remarried another man. You're biological dad left you and that hurts, no alternative circumstances will change that.
jan simonides I took it as her father didn't want a relationship but even if her mother was inhibiting her from seeing her father as a child. That's a situation that happens in straight couples all the time as well. My bigger point is that she is attempting to draw a conclusion about ALL lesbian families based on her individual situation.
Sean Hayes No, they're angry at a person who has betrayed her parents and is actively trying to take her parents' basic human rights away. If you wanna see someone frothing at the mouth simply because people are against their agenda, watch Fox News.
Her experience is irrelevant to same sex marriage, besides just because a same sex couple is married, doesn't mean they are gonna raise kids. Very ignorant IMO.
+Lycanite Plus her argument revealed she is hurting because her father left. She had a father and lost it. I can honestly say there is no pain greater than loosing a parent. You can't replace any parent you just can't. Its like replacing a child. Once we humans form bonds we cannot replace.
+Terezi Pyrope exactly, she had something and then she lost it which is why she was unhappy about what got instead. But if she was kid that never knew her father but was raised from birth to adulthood, she would've never had anything to be upset about. Divorced kids for instance. It's probably pretty sucky when mommy and daddy used to love each and then now they don't and it hurts. But, me, mine divorced when I was an infant so I never had that anyways which is why I'm not hurting since it's not like I really lost anything. Idk if that makes sense.
Ifeanyi Nwonye It does hurt for bonds to be shattered. Yes I get the father was hurt but he should have at least raised the kid and stayed in her life.
Heather didn't really have a point. It was basically "my dad left me and I blame my moms who did a wonderful job raising me" which have no correlation and make no sense.
Yeah she did, this video is ignorant honestly. They are very subjective and small minded. If you read the whole article maybe you'll have a better understanding on Heathers perspective. Basically just imagine growing up with no parents you live with foster care majority of your childhood and just try picturing how lonely you'll feel. how sad you'll feel because you don't know your parents, you don't know what its like to have them, if you did know them, clearly they didn't want you which in my opinion is a little worse and this is how children of the same sex marriage feel. Especially the ones who have anonymous donors and do not know who the father is. You are missing something that pretty much everyone around you has which is a mom and a dad. Anyways Heather's article is really saying that the gay community taught her that its the same, same sex marriage is the same as hetero and its not and she knows this because she is married. I've never experienced any of this first hand but I just have a lot empathy. Fortunately for me I have a mom and dad together but I cannot imagine not knowing who one of them is or even learning the things I learned from my dad that my mom couldn't teach me.
+Moonlah In that case, she must be against adoption and sperm donation. Her logical pathway just doesn't make sense to me. Especially considering how she is against gay MARRIAGE and not against gay people having children. She has no reasoning for why two gay people shouldn't be able to marry. All her evidence and logic points to gay people not being able to fulfill the role parents should in a child's life.
Well if she supports gay marriage and not for gays having kids, your taking away some of they're rights which isn't fair to the gay community so therefor she has to be against gay marriage completely otherwise it wouldn't make sense to support gay marriage and not support all their rights like a heterosexual marriage would have which would be to have kids.
+Moonlah Being not in support of gay marriage is taking away even more of their rights. That is why I say it is illogical. She is against gay marriage because she is afraid to admit what she is truly against.
They are wrong on this one. The dad didn’t just walk out she clearly wrote her mom wanted to be with someone she loves. There was robbed of an experience that only a father could give her.
I think they meant, that after they divorced, the father just left. The father could’ve still been in her life after the divorce and be that father figure
Having a father present in the household who is actively raising the child is completely different to having some strange man coming to see you every week or every other weekend.
+Sale M He should of gotten an attorney took the mother to court filed for full custody And child support and gave her visitation without her girlfriend being around until the daughter was older and could understand and could understand the situation
THE MEEP QUEEN she is not ungrateful, she just has her conclusions, not everyone has to agree with homosexuality, for her it s wrong and she knows why, she lived in that "family", she could see why it s so wrong..
Jenna Blue Jay -themeepqueen she loves her mom, she has said it multiple times And here we see how a typical snowflake acts, only listening to want they want to hear and twisting opinions somehow into "facts"
I was raised by a single mother. My father was physically and emotionally abusive. He was not apart of my life. Did I wish at times I had a father figure? Yes. Do I still wonder how my life would have been different if I had been raised by both a father and a mother? Yes. But would I ever place that burden onto my mother and turn and be ungrateful for the support and love and the roof over my head for the asshole of a man my father was? No. This was the life I grew up with and I am proud of my mother and the relationship that we have. Her beef is with her father. Don't take that out on your loving mother.
I think the woman shouldn't say she's against gay marriage. She shouldn't stop other people from the benefit of having two parents regardless of gender. In my opinion, she sounds like she hasn't grown up past being a teenager. Who says such an awful thing about loving parents? If you truly loved your mother and step mother, you would never say such a hurtful thing. The ungratefulness of her comment sounds like she was spoiled rotten and has no concept of how lucky she is to have two loving parents. I'm guessing she hated growing up with two moms and always having to explain that she didn't have a dad. She probably got bullied about not having a dad which made her think her problems at school would have magically disappeared if she had a father. Her idealization of having a dad because of how society and the media portrays it is what causes her pain. Also, she's blaming the wrong thing for her dad's absence in her life. This woman sounds like an awful person. I'm sorry her parents raised such a spoiled child.
+jan simonides She's claiming to be 15 they are all little uneducated idiot know it all's at that age that only Think they know about life and they just don't have a clue!!lol
Also isnt it a bit silly that instead of giving me back your opinion, you both thought it was a better idea to insult my age and education (that you know nothing about btw). Very mature guys
she didn t stop anyone, she cannot, she just said what she thinks about gay marriage, and she has the right to have an opinion, it doesn t mean she doesn t appreciate wat s done for her..it just that no amount of mothers can replace a father..and of course it is so gross to think about your mom being gay..I understand her. she is normal, the horrible persons are you here who say she does not have the right to say gay marriage is wrong..or that she doesn t agree with it.
+Lucia Tat I totally agree with you she definitely has a right to her opinion and her mother should understand having an opinion doesn't make you a bad person it's called being human!
Exactly. She seems to have romanticized the idea of having a father--a thinking which is indeed a bit immature. Not that having or wishing for a father or mother is immature, but romanticizing/idealizing the subject as akin to completion of one's being is not a hallmark of a wise-grown person.
If straight people are so against us, homosexuals adopting kids, then they should start being responsible for the “mistakes” that you put up for adoption. How selfish that girl can be to say that she’s against the rights of their own mothers???? My rights bc the father decided to walk away from her life!!!! I bet who cleaned her tears was those two mothers when that happened. So many kids in orphanages, in poor countries, in homes that they are abused would kill for a home full of love like hers. Just wow!
A Person He wasn’t in the picture at all. I always knew that I had a dad and I always knew he didn’t want me, I always knew he didn’t want to be a part of my life. That hurt. I mean I love my mom more then anything but as a little girl I would always cry because I knew my own dad didn’t love me enough to even visit me once. They probably didn’t tell her to protect her feelings. I mean most adoptive kids aren’t told at an early age. Do I think they could handle it different? Yes! But they are still better parents that the runaway dad ever was.
Regardless of one's position in this debate, these two are dissecting this girl's view with bias, and portraying matters for their own purposes - many of the arguments they pose are based on their interpretation of how the girl's argument is wrong in the first place. Any reasonably intelligent person with an understanding of clarifying positions within an argument could take these two apart. They should have interviewed the girl, rather than do what they did and if that wasn't possible they should have left the matter alone. One cannot discuss a position fairly and purport to, in part, represent the views of another for whom they are in complete disagreement. David.
The problem with her logic is as follows: She believes her lesbian stepmom was trying to fill a void in her life (her biological dad) which can never be filled and therefore all parents of same sex couples have this same void in their lives that need filling. The first part of her logic is valid and very common for all children who had one parent leave. But what she doesn't understand is that it is not unique to children of same sex parents. She is blaming same-sex couples with this problem where in reality she should be blaming all absent parents (same-sex and hetero-sexual). In her case the same sex-couple isn't even to blame at all. She'll come around eventually I'm sure. Blaming others might just be a way for her to cope. One she will eventually outgrow as she matures. Unfortunately the people who have only loved her and treated her right are being harmed by this.
with that logic a man should marry himself to make marriage fair????marriage is between a man and a woman- this is especially needed my raising a child two moms or two dads that is the norm or is it normal??? ewwww Can't imagine the talk about the birds and the bees that's award men can have sex with men and the women have sex with women . don't pay attention to nature they have it wrong
You may think same sex couples are "eww" but adults can separate their own sexual preferences from law. The beauty of marriage is that YOU get to choose to marry who YOU see fit. Believing you have the right to tell others who they can and can't get married to makes you come off as a self-entitled prick too brainwashed by the reading of a cherry-picked verse to realize how delusional you seem to reasonable people. It's time for you to get your grubby hands the FUCK out of everyone else's business. Good Day.
It shouldn't have to be a right for people to love whom ever they want. Loving someone even if that person is of the same sex, doesn't affect anyone in anyway.
Mariano Rodgers dude I literally can't understand the retarded arguement that you're trying to make. Please stop trying to talk as of you're smart. It's an insult to those of us who with intelligence.
+Saith Kun you can't understand it because you lack the ability to understand logic. You futher show your stupidity when you attack my intelligence but yet you lack proper syntax. If you re-read your statement you might catch your mistake. One could only hope so!
+Cindy Temple what I don't understand why people get so butt hurt about her not supporting gay marriage, I saw a video where a kid was getting death threats for not supporting gay marriage smh
What she is saying was as she was growing up she felt her family was never a whole family because her father wasn't there, comparing to her friends and other kids family her family was not normal and not complete. She was basically saying she was growing up with no dad and she was jealous of other kids who all have a dad.
Tho Athome When you put it that way, it kind of sounds like a societal issue. She felt like an outcast because she was told her family structure was "wrong" Maybe if she'd seen more positive depictions of same-sex parent families she wouldn't have felt so alone. Guess we'll never know.
imagine yourself with only one arm and all of your friends have two arms. life is just not the same when you never get to experience what other around you have experiences.
Sounds like the lesbian marriage wasn't the problem. If there was no pressure to fake being straight in the first place there would have been no issue. She should be speaking out against straight marriage.
MyEBT&me Or maybe they're meant to raise the kids of people who procreated and then decided not to raise them. You ever think about that? Gay people exist to provide parenting for kids who don't have parents? There's a fuckin evolutionary advantage. Ignorant ass.
I disagree with the notion... Mom did not care about her kid. She knew she did not love her husband and ultimately left him after making a child. THE FIRST WRONG AND THE BIGGEST.
Did you fully read what I said. Mom didnt care by marrying a man she did not love, making a baby and then broke up her family for her own needs. Lesbian was never mentioned in my post.
newave ride Yes I did read the whole thing. Okay maybe at first she probably did love the guy, then later on she realized she didn't, then broke up with him, I mean it is possible that happened. You don't stay with somebody you lost your love for just so your child is happy while you are being with somebody you no longer love.
Je Suis Infidel idk But some people usually have no choice because they are to afraid of their family members hating them and never wanting to talk to them again, so either she's bisexual or she just had to make her parents happy at the sake of her being miserable, I honestly don't have an explanation that just my closest guess I could make.
This video is too one sided. Insulting something is not something you do when you’re trying to have a logical debate or trying to rationally report something.
Typical feminist type of response. Are you in their lives to know that's what happened? Secondly, it is so obvious that the mother of the daughter left HIM not the other way around to be with another woman. Women do this more often then you think. It's funny how you just want to believe that's how it went down but truly none of us know how it really went down and why the father left . Me personally I believe the mother wanted to be with a woman and left the father and he was so embarrassed and hurt that he didn't want anything to do with her or her kid and that's messed up but don't be a typical left wing feminist by trying to put all the shame and blame on the dad as if you know for a fact he just left for no reason other then the fact that he didn't want anything to do with his family. Don't you think MAYBE, just maybe there's a possibility she left HIM to be with another woman considering that she is now with another woman.
So if her mom had gotten married to another man then her father would've stuck around? This is ridiculous! Her father made the choice not to be part of his daughter's life because his mother was happy with someone else, didn't matter if it was a man or a woman. The daughter wanted her dad around not just any male figure so her essay is really about divorce and/or remarrying not about gay marriage and its validity.
Wow!! Wait a sec! TYT: It's ok you don't think this or that; but please stop bashing this girl's thoughts! She is the daughter of a lesbian couple, not you; she has things to say about it! ...Just the way they present this piece of news doesn't seem right at all!! They end up almost attacking this girl for expressing herself!
Earth Sky to be fair I think with our current political climate I don't really know what real news anchors and television is anymore since it is all condemned as fake and unreliable. I work in the industry myself with the production staff often as a director.
Hmm, this video seems too one sided. I hoped for an open minded review. I'm not in any side in particular but this just seems so bias driven. If I supported gay marriage or not I would still be very disappointed at how they opened up to this topic. I mean the things the girl was trying to say was just thrown to the dirt and stepped on by those two people. My over all opinion over this is it's not an open minded review, very bias and unentertaining. I mean seriously, I was hoping for some real arguments instead of just insulting the girl and making her look bad.
I reckon they cherry picked the arguments that she made without giving the context to it. And cenk doesnt know what he is talking about, just watch his debate against Ben Shapiro
I am getting the same thing watching it , who knows what happened the mother could have moved a great distance away with the child , maybe even filed false claims . Most of the dads I see in the Fathers Rights Movement are fighting some of have not seen their kids in months some in a decade . And the kids are often lied to as to why dad was absent told he did not want to hated the child , this story is not uncommon ...... it is heartbreaking
This whole channel is one sided. They're too colloquial, too opinionated, and selfishly just take one side and more of then than not cherry pick facts that they like or dislike only to fuel their agenda and bias. Sometimes what they cover on this channel isn't even what I'd consider noteworthy news! And when they DO cover said news, they don't even add anything to it (not that it's surprising since they aren't as knowledgeable about the news they present.)! Case In point, this video. We don't know the whole story of what's happened with the parents and the daughter. They're just making vague assumptions.
I believe that she resents her biological mother for having a kid with her dad, knowing that she was gay. She blames her mom for her dad leaving and not being a part of her life. But because she also loves her mom and her step mom, and she views her dad as a victim, she misplaced her frustration on gay marriage.
To me it sounds like she just wants to punish the gay community by the actions of her dad, because it's easier to blame the community due to the hate it gets, then to hate her dad. And that is just salty.. it would make more sense if she just hated her mum for leaving her dad ( I know it should be the dad she hates, but I'm just making a point that this is her OWN issues at home, NOT the LGBTQ community..)
This daughter is a stupid, deflective IDIOT. I used my teachers as positive rolemodels because I HAD to. Also, what about all of the daughters of deadbeat dads denouncing the foolishness of bad mating? Oh? You say those daughters usually become pregnancy trappers?
PinkiPockets Not saying my opinion on this or anything but are you sure that's what you really think or what they just told you to think? Because it sounds to me, that the girl feels like she missed out on having a mother and a father, not that her two mother figures weren't amazing but she wished she had a dad. There is nothing wrong with her argument and it brings up an interesting aspect that there may be other children from same sex parents thinking this way also. Doubt it but could be.
She's right - you DO miss out on certain dynamic with same sex parents. Just as you do if you were raised in a single parent family. There are things that only the same gender can bring to a relationship, and things that only the opposite gender can bring. She's also completely right that the absence of one gender as a parent leaves a hole that takes decades to fill, if ever. a well rounded human being NEEDS role models and mentors of both genders. But whether that absence is worse than only having a single parent, or parents who hate each other, or no parents at all (in the case of gay adoption) - well that is the only issue that really counts.
***** It's certainly true that same sex partners can give just as much love and just as much nurture as any straight couple, but do you not think that in a society that creates expectations, that kids cannot help but feel the absence of a parental gender in their lives, even if only as role models?
Mat Broomfield I see where you're coming from, though I have to respectfully disagree with your solution. Yes, society favors children of heterosexual couples, but that doesn't mean we should stop letting gay people adopt. Society also favors white children. That doesn't mean we should stop black people from having kids.
Tresman101 In fairness, I didn't offer a solution - only a question. I agree with everything you said, I just observed that given ideal parenting, gay parents are sub optimal merely by virtue of their gender.
Mat Broomfield by that logic you also miss out when you are not born with same-sex parents, because they offer things straight parents do not a lot of the time. I understand what you're saying, in a purely mathematical way 2 ideal heterosexual parents seem better than 2 ideal homosexual parents, but in reality the quality of nurture the child gets might be exactly the same depending on the circumstances. The knowledge a person has just because of their gender is nothing that can't be effectively replaced and taught to children by a male/female role-model that doesn't need to be the parent. The same applies to single parents.
alx64uchiha In his book "Raising Boys" Steve Biddulph talks about the international change in male psyche caused by a lack of male role models. It's fine to talk theoretically about replacing the missing gender with someone else of that gender, but there are numerous reasons why that does not work. The greatest thing that each gender provides is empathy with the issues affecting that gender. If two women are raising a boy, who is the male role model who will speak informally about his experience of morning arousal, premature ejaculation, awkward erections, dating etc? I was closeish to my grandfather, but not THAT close, and I suspect that neither me, not any other male in my life would have been comfortable discussing such issues - even if my mother had trusted them to do so. It's the informal nature of gendered role models, not the big "Sit down and let's have a chat" stuff that makes the difference in shaping attitudes. I appreciate what you're saying, that in principle, it's all just knowledge, and knowledge does NOT have a gender bias, but the reality is different from the sterile theory. Speaking personally, I craved a male hug, and I really suffered from the lack of a father when it came to guy issues. In fact, I don't think another male hugged me after the age of 5, until maybe my 30s in the sports arena.
My moms are just the sweetest and I will never speak badly of them because they have given me nothing but love, and I'm truly grateful for being blessed with them.
I wouldnt look at this as a betrayal or criticize her harshly or tell her shes a terrible person; she obviously has issues which led to this point of view. Understanding these and combating her points with logic and being understanding of her point of view is a better choice. Her opinions, as far as i can tell, arent in malice. Fighting back with malice wont help.
duo1666 I tend to agree...but...she's old enough to know better. She's not a 15 year-old. She should've been able to figure out the flaws in her reasoning by herself.
loki2240 even if she felt that way about her father. At 15 or 16 or shit even 12 I would have found a way to see or talk to my dad. It seen from her writing that he didnt even make and effort but if she was so curious about her father then she should I look for them earlier instead of blaming someone later because she didn't find out earlier rather if she is psychologically damaged or not. she still should have looked, because humans are curious you dont have to be smart to be curious. She looking for someone to blame probably because the father didnt explian his case hence "he never was around".
duo1666 Sure it is psychologically possible. Everyone who was abandoned by a parent doesn't take it out on same-sex marriage, marriage in general, adoption, the right to divorce, etc. And a lot of people who did lash out have learned that it wasn't a good way to deal with their issues.
Wawa Jonezen To be fair, it was a lot harder to find people, when she was a teen, before the Internet. I don't blame her for not contacting her dad. I blame her for taking out her abandonment issues on same-sex couples and their children.
Baloo Dumptruck Listen idiot, no one put a gun to her head to start a family. She did not have to sacrifice the life of a man just so that she can appear "normal" to her family. But this is a concept you will never get, for you are a progressive idiot that believes certain "oppressed" groups cannot be held accountable to their actions. Too bad, I am a liberal, I wont let you hold others around her responsible for a mistake she made.
She's not being ungrateful for her mother and step-mother's care, she is simply saying that it was no substitute for having both a male and female parent.
I think this video could have been summed up a lot quicker with a simple title like "moronic woman betrays her loving parents with deluded opinion on same-sex marriage"
So she's putting all same-sex relationships in one box? Just because something bad happened to her that was related to her mom wanting to be with another woman, no two men or two women should be allowed to get married? Hilarious. And if her father doesn't want to support her because her mom doesn't love him, he isn't worth getting upset over anyway and a life with him would have been way less happy than a life with her mother and step-mother who actually wanted to have a relationship and both support her. Gay marriage wasn't the problem, her father was.
Also, married doesn't always mean children. Two women or two men could get married and not have children before from a previous relationship and maybe not want any in the future but according to this girl's logic since some fathers or mothers don't want to see their kids because their bitter over their ex-spouse being gay or bisexual and wanting to be with someone they actually love and not raise a kid with them while fighting all the time, all same ex marriage should be illegal. Wow.
I know this is getting super long but I wanted to say I agree with the man. This girl is potentially feeding hateful homophobes who would be disgusted and even outraged by her mother and her partner. She is giving them a face to push their agenda with and it breaks my heart that her father being so cold and not wanting to still support the family makes her think something so absurd and backwards.
You guys are not looking from an unbiased stand point. She is not just upset at her dad who was probably really hurt and upset that the women who loved did this to him. But she also is upset at her mother for divorcing her father. The mother is at fault because she didn't ask her daughter how she felt and only cared about her on feelings. The father is at fault because he basically disowned is child. You have to look at it from both sides it's never just one parents fault for anything. (Well there are exceptions) don't hate on this comment pls :)
Her story has nothing to do with gay marriage. She might as well come out against sky scrapers or white fish. Not having a relationship with her father has nothing to do with her mothers second marriage.
notatheist61 Her mother didn't even remarry because same-sex marriage was illegal. So, continuing the ban won't bring her father back into her life, and it won't keep both biological parents together in any other household.
You're almost right. It doesn't really have to do with gay marriage. She's saying kids need opposite sex parents because they are either missing out on the masculine or the feminine. TYT doesn't understand her point and attack her on unrelated arguments. You can disagree with her, but TYT had no clue the argument being made.
I don't believe this story even for one second. Her mom left her father for someone else and she is mad about it. They probably blocked her father from seeing her.
blocked her father from seeing her? back when this happened her father could have probably gone to court and gotten custody of her, fair and square ,thats how frowned upon this was in early eighties. if anything this would have given him more leverage in a custody battle. he jumped on the situation and bounced. he used it as an excuse and left. they didnt keep him from seeing her, u cant legally keep someone away. besides even if they were trying to do that, as some divorced parents will try to do, that when u fight for ur child. u dont get up and leave
There's no evidence that shows he didn't try. I have a friend who was married with two kids. He owned two houses that he bought for his family. His wife cheated on him so much that he had to divorce her. She took both houses from him and kicked him out by order of the court. He has to fight in court for his kids. He got one of them but not the other. He couldn't see his own daughter. Today his daughter hates him because she thinks he didn't fight hard enough for her. His ex-wife married the guy she cheated with. Now they both leave in his house with his daughter after kicking him out on the streets, again by order of the court. He told me they threatened to put him in jail if he persists. He raised his son who aspired in school and is very successful. If I didn't know about his son, I would have thought he was lying just like anyone else. He is not the only one. This is systematic in cases like this. I'm a liberal and believe in the rights of women but this is injustice. I agree with TYT on almost everything but not this.
Sheku Sillah Assuming your story is true, what reason did the court use for denying visitation with the daughter. It has to be very extreme to be denied even supervised visitation.
I'm lesbian and have 14 month old little girl, I done it via A.I and it's the best thing I've ever done. She's the happiest little girl ever, she's amazing always has a smile on her face. My whole life revolves around her, gay families are just the same as hetro families. Love is love! ❤💜💚💙
jan simonides Aw really? That's weird. I can understand why though. I'm in Scotland and it's fine to do as you wish, my donor is currently helping me make my second little child. 💞 x
I can kind of see what she's grieving over. Her mother and step mother were wonderful they loved her and raised her properly but she really wanted a father. I can understand this because I couldn't imagine having a life without my father. I love my father, and my mother... I love having chocolate and vanilla not just vanilla. I'm not against homosexuals or gay marriage but for me personally I love having both a mom and a dad.
So how would banning same sex marriage have given her a dad? I know so many woman who have children and the man just vanishes. The better argument that she could make would be "if same sex marriage were legal and accepted I wouldn't have been born at all"
I do agree that having both a paternal and maternal figure is "optimal" but it doesn't necessarily have to be one of your parent. It could be your uncle/aunt your brother/sister or other relatives or friends of the familly. Maybe the mothers of these girl didn't bring male friends or relative in their life to have somewhat that role.
raydaveed Yes! I totally agree with you. I think children need a man and a woman role in their lives but it doesn't necessarily have to be their parents.
jan simonides "Normal sexual orientation"? Although being the most common sexual orientation, homosexuality is a thing that happens in nature too. "Focused on an object to make kids with"? I'm assuming you mean an objective or something else, because it sounds odd(as if you were referring to the other person's partner as an object); do correct me if you meant something else. Not all of those relationships are focused on "making a kid" either. Once again, all those you listed are just sexual desires you could feel towards things, regardless of your sexual orientation; moreover, they are not indicative of your sexuality. -philia=extreme love/obsession. -philias=/= sexuality.
I think it's less about problems with gay marriage and more about the fact that Heather knew and missed the father that she no longer had a relationship with, on top of having a rather bubbled community of predominantly gay and lesbian friends as she mentioned means that it would be hard to find a father figure. I think the need for one male one female isn't ultimately important because you can find father figures in people who you aren't related to, but I see her point, that assuming that same sex marriage does not affect the kid would be untrue when a woman literally cannot replace a man or vice versa.
I wouldn't agree with that... I had a step dad growing up, I adored him and thought for a while that he was my real dad... But in my eyes, my mother was EVERYTHING. She worked three jobs, she protected me, supported me, encouraged me, played with me, nursed me, taught me right from wrong, brought home the bacon and really, worn the pants in the house. She inspired me and helped me realised that you don't need a bloody man in your life. Whereas the dad would usually need to learn to behave more motherly, a mother can easily behave as a father figure. It's just how I feel. I know everyone has their arguments and will try to fight me on the subject. But my opinion that mothers are more important, will not be shifted :) Like I said, I love my dad... But I'm a mama's girl at heart :)
Bunny Whisperer How can you say that mothers are more important when you wouldn't be here without a man. Not too mention the fact that men can everything thing your mom did so what makes your mother better?
She's not "a terrible person." She's unhappy that she grew up without a father. She knows there are more and more kids now being raised without fathers ON PURPOSE, which is unfair to them.
the whole assumption TYT is making about this woman is that she hold some kind of resentment against her father , argument from silence to say the least , no matter what you do male/male or female/female cannot make a family for obvious biological incompatibility , props to that woman.
***** yep the cannibles were judging everything from thier prospective as well i see no difference here ....they (overwhelmingly) agree eating human flesh is not immoral . same applies with the Nazis....you talk as if you have reached moral perfection ....
So she is mad because the dad chose to leave her life? How are same sex couples to blame here?
*****
First off, nice grammar. Second, science hasn't only proven that you don't need a male and female role model. Professionals in child development have also determined that a child only needs an adult responsible enough and able to care for them. It doesn't matter if it is two moms, two dads, one mom and dad, one parent or even guardians the child is or isn't related to. The child needs to be brought up in a stable environment. Being gay doesn't effect the child whatsoever. If that were the case, explain why heterosexual parents have gay children? Because of birth order. Not your upbringing. Being gay has also been proven to be natural and normal. That it has to do with genes and biology. The only thing sad here is the fact you don't want to progress in the evolution of human kind. So you will be left behind in the evolutionary process while society educates itself and moves forward.
*****
Really? You does matter? You have no idea what you are even talking about, do you? You are throwing a tantrum because I am right and you are wrong. Science has proven, as well as specialists in child development, that children are not effected by same sex parents. If it really was a danger, why let so many lgbtq+ parents adopt/foster children? Because it is perfectly healthy. Also you should know that I am pansexual and not even close to being a nazi. The only one speaking of hate and intolerance here is you. Saying that lgbtq+ parents are incapable of raising children. The only ones hurting children are people like filling their heads with lies and bigotry. Grow up or be left behind. You can be against same sex parenting until you are blue in the face, but same sex parents will still be able to raise them. You can protest all you want, but it is still going to happen. Just like same sex marriage. Good day. #LGBTQ+Pride
Shafiq naawaz
No, because they need more responsible parents or guardians. Way to show what little you know.
Muhammad Abdullah
Try to understand that having a mom and dad is NOT a requirement dear. Having a parent is. Regardless of gender. As studies have proven. Children who are raised by same sex parents, a lot of times have turned out healthier and happier.
Nichole Lilith Turner suppose that a human eat rice with spoon but if there is no spoon he/she can eat it without spoon by hands. but after that he/she need tissue paper or water or soap to wash his/her hands because he/she can't work with oily and dirty hands. but if they eat it with spoon they will never need it anymore. okay fine same sex raise the child healthier but its not normal way to raise, something extra will needed if dad is not available than spoon is not. dear if you says same sex raise child more healthier is proven than consider human urine which science prove that have more minerals than water why don't people start drinking their own urine just because it has more minerals no dear because its not natural and not normal too. thanks
.....Shouldn't she be against divorces then?
you can't be against that, it's basic rights
***** Well at least your name ended up being a great title for the words that proceeded it...
Ooooh..Where to begiiin...
1. Starting off with a "how do you know?" question doesn't put you ahead when you don't know either.
2. Also it would be sort of strange to blow the lid on everything to protest against gay marriage and leave out the damning evidence (experimenting) ya know..just because...
3. What kind of experiment could you conduct if you left out the possibilities(variables)? Can't use on a straight couple...kind of not realistic...
4. I "feel" is cute but it doesn't determine truth...look at religion.. so she can feel what ever personally just as much as "those two bone heads" can feel or say she's wrong..there's your free country..
5. No one stated gays were perfect. Even if they did...it's unreasonable soo whatever haha
6. Your entire post has been nothing but opinions..
7. You say most gay children were molested...because you somehow know most of them right?..And for the ones that weren't..well that's not important huh?? haha..
8. You don't have to accept anything honestly..no one is equal to another not even twins so that's also irrelevant.
9. Reasoning with "Why can't you guys just do what makes me and others like me comfortable," is pure irony at best when you consider they want the same.
10. You want people to stop giving you a reason to realize that others aren't like you... An intelligent conversation can smooth over most bullshit issues we still deal with today but who wants to invite logic right?
11. In this middle of this trite, you actually wasted time typing "I don't care if you're gay or straight.."..except ya do lol..
12. Finally here it is the "Gays serve no real purpose in nature." Except that gay behaviors have been all through out the times with animals and humans....sooo you can't decide what's good and bad in nature when its' "Natural" cycle predates and outlives you. Hmm how about overpopulation, since you crave a reason as if there needed to be one..
13. Woow..there's so much here... Umm straight people can contract and expose others to the exact same diseases in the same way... Monogamy is a another "way of life" you've decided to attach a negative stigma to along with fallacious details as if the gays are only polygamist and not that that's bad but it's just not true.
14. Gee all these experiments and no data...just raw falsities and conjecture *yaaawn...
15. Oh the worlds been spinning just fine? Have you asked the world how it's doing? No you just live on it and look out for yourself you selfish twat :D
+Angry Foreigner
Of course she is. People who oppose gay marriage are also oppose to divorce, abortion, pornography and other vices.
+Angry Foreigner nature is pretty simple in it's complexity. Fruit tree's need pollination to bear fruit. All this gay is normal stuff makes me feel like i'm in the twilight zone.
jameswwindsor
If anything, it's all about the gay people actually. I'm not by far feeling like I'm not getting much attention, this is not the case. It's about what's natural and what's unnatural/abnormal.
So a whiny child in an adult's body was failed by the heterosexual father who abandoned her, and then blames her lesbian moms, both of whom loved her, nurtured her, taught her, and STAYED AROUND to raise her. And supposedly, this means that nobody at all in the gay community should have marriage equality?
The stupidity is astounding and hilarious.
She got paid off to say this crap.
GodCreatesGays2 Having both a male and female parent figure present when raising children is critical to correct development. Girls/women especially need a father or the chances of them turning out right and not haviong prob;ems later in life are slim. Boys need a mother present.
I could care less as to the marriage issue as that has little to do with it. It has nothing to do with the child raising dynamics, aside from offering financial benefits and additional resources.
Jerry Reiter I don't think so. She is typical of girls who were not raised correctly without a father. Being an understanding and non judgmental as you seem,(LOL) Im, sure you could have volunteered for the role and she wouldn't be on here spilling the "crap" out of her heart.
eddie telleed Of course, you are free to have and express any personal opinion, but your contention that children will not develop normally without a male and a female parent in the home is not supported by the data.
eddie telleed There is no study in your favor. Just the opposite. And your baseless opinion won't sway anyone. LGBT people will continue to adopt children abandoned by heterosexual parents.
A lot of children grow up without fathers, they were from heterosexual marriages.... how does she live with herself punishing ppl who love her?
Nationalist Canuck _That's not the same thing. There's nothing wrong with being married with the same sex_
And your point is?
Dave The Great Lecter
So?
Katie Pecotich that’s what happened to me and I’m fine now.
To be fair often the people who criticise gay marriage also criticise single parent households for similair reasons.
how does a father choosing not to see her anymore have anything to do with gay marriage please someone explain this to me?
you sound stupid and if you answered my question i didn't get it
how am I an idiot
No, you didn't nothing in what you have said explained what gay marriage had to do with any of this but if I'm just not understanding it can you tell in a simpler way
still don't understand
so what if i am
"same sex couples deny children either a mother of a father"
Unless they had neither to begin with, just saying.
Wrong. F/m roles have nothing to do with gender at all in reality, it is really the balance of submissive / dominant influence that a child needs to observe and learn the balance of. Neither of those traits require a penis or vagina. There are dominant men and submissive women. Vice versa. Hence it is common to make jokes at gay people about which one is the wife or husband. Because that joke is true. There are male wives and female husbands. It is a role of entitlement. Not gender.
the Heartless God when I say "Unless they had neither" I mean that a child without parents will be granted a mother or a father, and giving them a home is not somehow taking something away from them. That's what I don't like about the argument, it is an obvious ploy, to enforce one's personal beliefs on someone else by using orphaned children, and denying them loving homes. If these people wanted children to have both parents so badly they would do at least SOMETHING in the direction of finding them such parents, but no instead they only want to deny the orphaned child a home, which I find despicable.
Then they would never have parents to begin with, and it wouldn't matter since they would have to grow up without parents. Makes a difference; we need a mother and a father.
VD Peruvian Believe it or not there are orphaned children in this country. your telling me a child does not deserve a family that will take care of it, if that family consists of same sex parents? Here's some news for you, there aren't that many straight people that want to adopt, and here we are with a large group of people that DO want to adopt them, and you think they are better off without a home?
Scarlet Rose give me some sources and some statistics. How many straight parents don't want to adopt? I know many people who would want a child. I'm an only child. I'm lucky to be here. Poverty is a more serious problem than gay marriage, but that's not a priority according to you guys.
I love how people use the whole no male/female role model in their life but I've hardly ever heard that same argument for single parents.
you know why, right ?
Single mums get a lot of praise from the media.
So true I am a twin and I got a single parent which is my dad. My mum left me when I was still a baby and all I can hear on the media is "single mums have it hard" or "Iceland's are for mums" bullshit my dad is all I can ask for, he is a role model to me and I don't miss my mum at all in never hear on the media about single dads and how it must be difficult for them.
MC D Uh...if you have a child, you chose it when you chose to have sex.
Misti D but this is about gay ppl that can't have a child even tho they had sex so they adopt
My mother is a single mom, I don't have a dad.
Look at me! I'm fine!
That makes two
GeekieGecko
Prob because you’re mom is a self centered bitch
And in today’s world a man has no say
The only thing we can do is LEAVE
Right, I have only a dad. No mother, and im fine so whatever homophobes.
suntzu nikola Sounds like your father got divorced way too many times
Yoshi The Dinosaur that is honestly the worst insult I ever got on RUclips
My dad was never married 😂😂😂😂
what about the millions of kids who grow up everyday without dads who left before they were born?
+Summer Richardson That's not an argument in support of gay marriage nor does it address the situation Heather Barwick faced. It's an argument, at best, to repeal no fault divorce so a parent can't get out of a marriage/family so easily. I agree that children growing up without fathers is an important issue to address, unfortunately gay marriage doesn't address it.
That escalated quickly. I'm sorry you chose profanity and insults over open-minded conversation. All the best.
Summer Richardson Well, I'll assume you're happy to have a conversation about this. When I first replied it was in response to the question you posted "what about the millions of kids who grow up everyday without dads who left before they were born?". I answered that clearly. It wasn't until you commented back that your "argument" was possibly revealed.
I'm assuming your argument is, and I'll be honest I am having to make some guesses as it's not fully clear, and apologies if I'm wrong and please correct me if I am, that because many fatherless children turn out fine that, not only is her reasoning behind her being "messed up" somewhat invalid but also that it somehow supports the notion that broad societal outcomes from parental structures are not effected by diversity because "tons of kids don't have a father and turn up fine." Putting aside the notion that you're perilously close to victim blaming Heather Barwick for her feelings toward a situation she had NO control over, the position you appear to be arguing is that tons of kids without fathers grow up okay so being against gay marriage is without merit because if some turn out okay in the first scenario logic dictates the same would be true in the second. Your argument only holds true weight if your position proves out to be the majority because if you're arguing the exception to the rule you'll never prove the rule incorrect.
Proper social science studies, whilst still in their infancy, currently show a clear trend that children raised in a marriage structure of one woman and one man have statistically better outcomes than ALL other parenting structures be it same sex, de-facto, single parent etc. If you believe that a fatherless single parent structure or a same sex fatherless structure has no effect on children then I understand why you hold your position. It's just not supported by facts.
I don't know about Heather, but my argument against your false analogy is that it's not healthy to teach a child to call one female dad and another mom. When will a gay couple sit down with the child and tell him or her that it takes a male and female to make babies and we have used a third party and we don't want you to know who the third party is? I'm guessing when the child has grown up and has probably found it out himself or herself and the psychological damage has already been done.
+Galaxy SII if you were to check the facts, you'd find that there is no psychological damage caused by same sex parenting. Where there are psychological problems, they tend to be caused by anti-gay bullying, not the same-sex parents.
So, instead of resenting her father she takes it out on the one person that actually stuck by her, treated her right, and gave her tons of love and support. She would rather have the father stuck it out for a couple more miserable years, and possibly have a longer shitty period in her childhood. And then have an even worse breakup. What a logic. I do not buy her story at all.
Nailed it.
The mother left the father and became part of a community that doesn't need men.
Yeah right the fathers the arsehole, and a three year olds memory confirms it.
Mommy's a man hater, go read the story.
_"I grew up surrounded by women who said they didn’t need or want a man. Yet, as a little girl, I so desperately wanted a daddy. It is a strange and confusing thing to walk around with this deep-down unquenchable ache for a father, for a man, in a community that says that men are unnecessary. "_
Frank Jay The father was tricked into marrying a deceptive woman. The deceptive woman than broke up the family by initiating a divorce. It was the mother's fault.
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The mother left him, she was the agent of the breakup. That is all the information we have except for the "men are not needed" attitude of the community she grew up in.
How does a three year old form a conclusion of "dad wasn't a great guy" unless that's the information she was fed.
The mom told the daughter dad wasn't a great guy, unless you know something about early childhood memories from age 2-3 that would allow an adult perspective, assuming that any memories were retained and accurate.
magottyk Well a 3 year old wouldn't. A 31 year-old married mother of 4 would. It appears she based that opinion on her fathers complete and continued absence. I feel like I am talking to a wall in here with some of you guys, and I really get the feeling that there is something else going on in the subtext of your arguments about the father. Honestly, it makes me more than just a little bit suspicious. This conversation just wouldn't be taking place in real life, unless we were in a jail or something.
It doesn't make any sense. She just had daddy issues.
xD true though!
Maybe you are right, but this is not the only case around there of kids raised by a gay couple that stands against gay marriage
Rodrick Young i was raised by a man and a woman and i have a daddy issues
Rodrick Young but you said “children should be raised by a man and a woman” what if the father is an abusive arsehole? What if he died? What if he abandoned his own children? In that case most people will have daddy issues not only children with same-sex parents
It makes sense because people wouldnt know the feeling of someone in your life leave you
As a lesbian and single mom, I disagree with TYT to an extent. They’re saying Heather’s experience isn’t valid. It is her opinion and she has a right to express it, though I don’t agree; it seems like her and her mom need to communicate and go to therapy and heal the past.
I think a child or her age and Naivety is hurting inside and needed some excuse to why she felt the way she did, so she used anything she could. Any child is hurting after parents break up especially if they abandoned her. Any child would be broken after an experience like that. It's only natural for her to blame it on something so she feels her life is not out of control.
@I'm Super Fat Sexuality isn't something that is a choice. If it was, wouldn't everyone choose away from the hardship and pain that comes with being in the LGBTQ+ community? because it is not easy. You say checkmate, yet I'm pretty sure I just took your king.
@@missdragon5892 wha how 😖
You stay your sexuality it's science really so uh fake
I hate how anti-gay are like "kids need to be raised with a mother AND father"
And I'm over here like ....yeah so my parents are divorced so I only live with my mom...Pretty sure I'm still normal
+TheCrazyMango82 pretty sure I am still normal.. says the CRAZY mango with a cartoon for an avatar. just saying
+TheCrazyMango82 Don't try to play it off man. People that grow up in single parent homes usually have several problems, whether physically, mentally, or spiritually. It's been proven by numerous studies that kids grow up better most of the time when they are raised by a mom(female) and dad(male). I realize there are various circumstances like children being abused by their mom and dad, but it also happens in gay couple families too. Under the right circumstances, people are healthier in all aspects when raised with a mom and dad.
You guys can argue all you want but YES I'm perfectly normal I think I would know.
+TheCrazyMango82 U can live with 1 kidney. Doesn't mean you're complete
+Omegeddon yeah but you preach having both a mother and a father but disown your kid so they have none just because theyre gay ?? ironic much
My parents are straight and they both disowned me. You don't see me "coming out" as against straight marriage, lmao?
Anna Strmecki made my day LMAO
Preach
Hahahaha! 😂
This is the first logical thing I've seen in this comment section of snowflakes. Preach it!
Win.
Fathers are overrated. My father was a cruel horrible man that wished would have die a long time ago. How I would have loved to had a loving respectful family. Oh well.
Lovecove4 me on the other hand don't think fathers are overrated ( if you tell me mothers are overrated since mothers day is more popular than fathers day. ) I grew up with both my parents and both my mom and dad are awesome. I understand this woman (also usually children with parents that divorce or split up will be attracted or love the parent in the wrong more because they want to be accepted. ) she just feels like its her moms fault instead of the dad's.
Nobody would be here without sperm to fertilize the egg. They do hold some importance
Lovecove4 I never had a father figure around and always wondered about how nice it'd be to have one...until my mum told me my dad (who I last saw when I was a year old) is a pedophile. I think I dodged a bullet, now.
That's a horrible thing to say. Hate your dad if you want but don't put down other loving fathers just because you think they're "overrated"
Lovecove4 just because your dad may have not been the best, doesn't mean all of them are bad or "overrated".
A lot of you are defending her because she's expressing her feelings, But what she's saying isn't fair, She doesn't want gay couples to be able to get married, But she says she loves the gay community? She's obviously saying she loves the gay community for her own reputation. But anyways, She shouldn't wish to take the rights away from the lgbt community. That's so wrong and she's doing her parents so dirty. Like shouldn't she be grateful that she had TWO parents to teach her the ways of life? Litterally having a father figure wouldn't have changed anything, You should love and be grateful that you're parent's raised you because it could've gone worse and you could've been raised by a single mother, Not saying it's a bad thing but sheesh i wish i was raised with two parents.
I think she means as it SPILLS OVER ON TO INNOCENT CHILDREN WHO DESERVE BETTER OR NATURAL. It's not all or nothing. It is reality and if gays and lesbians could find a way to "keep it in their bedroom" as they first indicated when they cracked the closet door open then this CHILD would not have had to endure an UNATural relationship that messed up her core feelings. Which she is entitled to. If two gay women can produce their own child, then fine-do it. It is natural. If they can't, then every single solitary gay and lesbian couple with a child has an invisible or missing "other" person involved in the creation of their child. Which creates the same think an adopted child experiences. wondering about your natural parent. And some even have surrogates who carry the baby for them. Gay couples have babies where none of them are full brothers and sisters of the couples. So crazy. Can I hear you gay advocates speak to this?
Cher P There are plenty if infertile heterosexual couples who can't produce children naturally. Should they not have children at all? There are single parents, should their children be taken away?
I grew up without a father and you don’t know what your talking about so stfu I had to learn so many things by myself
True. . I wish I was raised by at least ONE loving parent/guardian. . I think she is ungrateful. Smdh
I think she just felt like she had a void in her life. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. It's seems like this video is trying to force the idea onto us that it doesn't matter. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Everybody is different. Some people who grew up with two mom's are probably happy with it. The lady that they were talking about seemed like she wished things were different. Life ain't fair. We get what we get. I always felt bad in school for classmates whose parents were divorced. It seemed odd to me at the time because everyone I knew still lived with their mom and dad. It seems like things have changed. It's more like children who still live with both parents are the odd ones now.
the thing I find interesting about this is they are making the guy out to be a dick when he is actually upset because a lesbian woman used him to have a child then she was sleeping with another woman behind his back and then ran off with her and left him high and dry. the man was hurt and that makes him a dick? this man was used and dumped. again I feel sorry for the daughter because she was the one that was ultimately hurt. but dont down play the fact that her mother was sleeping with another woman and cheating on this man and probably really hurt this man.
+The Benjamin Banks Totally agree. And that's why TYT are terribly wrong here. They themselves condemn neglect and at the same time they don't take into consideration the whole story thus making wrong conclusions, based on their bias towards gay community.
+The Benjamin Banks You could be right. We haven't heard the father's side of the story (or at least I haven't). However, even though it could be as you say it is, you still have to question the father's dedication and love to his daughter. Its like Cenk said, "...if I have a kid, I don't care what happened with the mom, I don't care who she's staying with, It's *my* kid. I care about my kid. I could hate the mom, and I'd still love the kid." 2:31 He should've tried to find his daughter if the mom did run off with her. He's the father after all, so he has legal rights and obligations toward his daughter. He could even involve the police as what she's doing is a crime (assuming she did run off without his knowledge and consent). She can't stop him from seeing their daughter, unless she has evidence to prove why he shouldn't, but that's a whole other topic. So to me, it seems like he didn't care much about his daughter, not enough to really try and look for her and be a part of her life.
The point is that same sex marriage isn't the blame . If anything the daughter should be pissed at the mom if she really did use her father , not gay marriage itself . Wether the father was a dick or not the daughters logic doesn't make sense and she is still a terrible person for taking opportunities away from other people that have not done anything to her .
Are you...fucking DEAF? Him being cheated on by the mother (if he was) doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit father. Like Cenk said, "You can hate the mother, never the child". But of course you didn't hear that because you have a hearing impairment.
+Jazz Williams no I agree he is still s piece of shit father . BUT either way the daughter shouldn't be trying to take people's rights away bc she's surrounded by shitty people . Wether you think the mom is shitty or the dad is shitty . Same sex marriage isn't the blame . She wants revenge some how and she's going about it the wrong way .
my mother is a lesbian and broke up with my dad when i was 3....i only saw my dad 2 times before he died a week before i turned 7 years old. i'm 20 yrs old now and my mom has married a woman. i have no problem with that and i would never dream of taking away the community's rights just because i grew up without a dad.
bochap21 I hardly say seeing my dad 2 times at a very young counts as knowing him. I don't even have a memory of him. And honestly I would preferred to have a sperm doner as a dad because mine gave me up for drugs and died because of it.
bochap21 I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here and what point are you trying to make. The fact is my mom was young and I wasn't planned. She didn't choose to have a child with my father. And as regards to people who are donor children I can't speak for all of them but I have met a few and for the record, if this is a debate about lesbians and gays having a donor to help create a family then I hope you know there are plenty of straight single people who also use donors in order to have a child. As for the children of donors that I have met they have pretty happy lives and don't let the fact of their conception or "lack" of a father figure upset the balance of their lives. And if you are concerned about children growing up mentally and emotionally damaged because of a lack of parental figures in their life then try going to an orphanage or a third world country where they have no family or parents at all! Yet a lot of them are strong and push through life in order to survive. My concern would be more focused on the fact of how many irresponsible parents are out there who disown their children and leave them abandoned without any family at all.
bochap21 I have read your comments and you're trying to debate and insinuate things. My personal circumstances isn't up for debate in order to be picked apart in detail and derailing from the main issues that seems to be getting everyone "triggered". This issue here is that some people feel the strong need to take away gay marriage and rights to having a child wether that's through means of adoption or sperm donor or in my case an unplanned pregnancy. And you're stating that the reason their rights need to be stripped away is because they are simply being irresponsible and depriving that child of having both gender parental figures in their life correct? Well if so then I already answered your question before about how this lifestyle has effected me and others that I know. There is nothing wrong with growing up without a specific parental figure. Maybe I was fortunate enough to have a grandfather and a big family to replace the need of a dad. I don't know. But what I do know is a mom or dad alone can play both roles if need be and can give more then enough love and affection and important life lessons. Sounds like First world problems to me. People should be finding better things to be outraged and motivated by.
Onni3beauty it would have being the same way if she dated a man or stayed single.. It makes no difference at all.
I do feel it's a betrayal too. The girl was fortunate to have been raised by two loving mothers and chances are, she never missed anything as a child.
The thing that happened here is between her mother and father. It has NOTHING to do with the gay community as a whole. If anything, she should be mad at both her biological mother and father for handling their couple issues very badly.
She just sounds very ungrateful in the way she presented things.
Nelson Mvondo the woman has abandonment issues....what can you do as a child when you have no choice in the matter. She didn't choose for her mom to be queer. She didn't choose 2 mothers....and the teasing she went through must have been horrific.
If the girl were gay, maybe she would be "fortunate". But for a non gay person, that is NOT fortunate. Its weird as hell. And the scent of it being weird never goes away. Without speaking a word, the nature of it the way it looks. The way you know, that sex "couple" can never produce children without bringing in some reinforcements outside of the marriage NEVER goes a way. And just knowing that if you are out as a family, EVERY single person, without saying a word, knows, the two of THEM did not make those kids. At best they are always a blended family. And therefore NEVER the ideal picture for anyone involved. NEVER.
Cher P And what the hell is wrong with having a blended family? There are some hetrosexual people whom either cannot have children naturally, choose to adopt, or simply have their spouse walk out on them causing them to raise their family on their own until they find someone else(a person who is not the parent of the children already born but will love them anyways). All of which are examples of blended families with straight people. The point is that the girl had two lovely people to raise her and make sure she was clothed, fed, and loved. My mom raised me and my siblings on her own because my deadbeat father got into drugs and stuff, yet I turned out perfectly fine without worrying what other people are saying and now I live with my mom, brother, half brother, and step-father. There is nothing wrong with blended family's, whether it concerns homosexuals or hetrosexuals.
Disgrace to our race brother
So if a straight person gets raised by a gay couple with care and love, instead of being thrown in a orphanage, is unfortunate ?
I saw this girl’s speech, and TYT are misrepresenting her. She struggled with the sense of identity that was lacking. She said the pieces finally fell in place when she met her father
Michael John yeah, I agree. Dissatisfaction is a part of life. You don’t have the right to be free from dissatisfaction. And I don’t believe you have the “right” to 2 parents - male and female. How would you enforce such rights without infringing on freedoms? So I think that position is actually one that conservatives should stand against (together with liberals, for that matter).
I just think TYT is deliberately misrepresenting this girl’s actual statement, which she derived from her own lived experiences.
I think conservatives who champion this girl are also disingenuous. They’re just happy to wave a stick in the face of equal marriage advocates (of which I am one)
Michael John it is a gay problem. Heterosexual parents are lacking in the male/female dynamic that stands as the foundation for straight people to become well adjusted and learn how a straight relationship works. It fucks with kids hard.
BiFuRcAt3D DuPLiCaTuS gay people come from straight people. Men shouldn't abandon their biological kids, it fucks them up.
Angela Tannor “gay people come from straight people”
Yeah, I know. Hence, straight people are the ones who carry on the next generation, not gays. Therefore straight people set the precedent for society.
How do you know this man abandoned his child? The mother decided to live a gay life with her lesbian partner. So what was he supposed to do?
BiFuRcAt3D DuPLiCaTuS it's all Satan's fualt they go into dark side cuz there not wanted an being treated like shit but I love them as a person not their disgusting choice of life to be gay sorry that's my opinion
I'm not even homosexual and I'm offended. Crazy how even family can betray you
gargouenzene She blames her mom for bringing her into this world and breaking her fathers heart.
Yes the dad is a dick, but this women made him fall in love with her, married him, had a kid with him and then told him she never loved him in the first place. That is true evil right there.
How do you know the father left her? What if the mother got full custody and moved far away with her lesbian lover once she divorced him for another woman. See , you feminist minded females overlook other possibilities and only jump to blame the man. Smh You women make me sick.
+Mr Anonymous They know he left her because that's what the daughter stated in the original article. And if you're so pissed about apparently ALL women jumping to blame the man (deadbeat dad), switch the situation. If instead of a closeted lesbian it was a closeted gay man, would the situation be any better? Plus if your mennenistic ass took a minute to read through the comments or look any further past your own ignorant oppinion you'd find that its not only women and femminists that find the whole scenerio repulsive. I'm a bisexual woman however I don't consider myself a femminist while I do support some of the movement's ideals. I don't immediately blame the man in many situations like this but in this case, the father does seem to be the culprit. (PS I'm so sorry us women make you so sick. I'm sure your current/future/nonexistent wife would love to hear it unless of course you're gay yourself which would just be ironic). Have a lovely day.
Darby Hensley It's NOT a betrayal she clearly says that she loves her mother and stepmom very much and thankful for all the things they gave her when she grew up! She only said that she missed a father figure in her life, a roll that neither her mom or stepmom could ever fill and it is important for young children's development to have a prominent father figure in their life!
Darby Hensley u r brainwashed by the system. Grow up. It wasn't about her personal dad. It's about the fact that kids need a MAN AND A WOMAN to raise them. Not two of the same gender. How naive r u to the propaganda out there. You would have looooved north Korea
But can somebody point out WHERE THE LOGIC IS cause Im trying my best to find even 1% of logic
gamer,youtube and wattpad girl I'm trying my best to find 0.5%.
gamer,youtube and wattpad girl Wish I could help you, but I’m struggling as well. It’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack except someone else found the needle an hour ago and decided not to tell you because they kinda suck. Point is…can’t find any.
I watch lots of RUclips and read lots of Wattpad, too, but I don't find a single planck of logic anywhere.
gamer,youtube and wattpad girl if her mom didn't leave her dad to go get married to a girl her dad wouldn't have abandoned her
Some people think that a male and a female are essential to raise a child. They believe that every child, boy or girl, needs both feminine and masculine influences in their life. That's her logic even if it seems weird to most of us. She probably feels right in her own mind though.
I don't think not having a dad is to blame on same sex marriage. My parents have been married since 19, they've been married for 23 years. We all live in one home and I've never had a relationship with my dad. He doesn't speak to me. And I don't speak to him. And every since I was young when he did talk to me he verbally abused me. So I stopped trying and trying with my dad to find common ground with him and find opportunities to bond with him. Because he didn't accept my effort and relationships work both ways. I am almost 17 years old. And I have called him out for his efforts with me and also being an alcoholic. And he always blames it on me. I think if you have two parents that love you, accept that. That's better then having a dad that you live with but don't even know him or talk to him. My dad does not even know who I am as a person and that sucks.
jan simonides I just discovered I was bisexual a few months ago. But I've ALWAYS been in a long term relationship with a guy. So that stigma I think is irrelevant. My relationship with my father has nothing to do with my sexuality. And if anything, I would think people would try and have a guy to make up for not having a dad
Completely irrelevant to the argument.
Alyssa Dawn she's not blaming same sex marriage, she's saying what a child needs is a man and a woman to raise her!!! This is a biased piece. It's slandering her. She should sue this bullshit propaganda tv news anchor
Bl00dsw3at&&b33rz rigjt, but that's still her OPINION. There are many children of gay couples that feel no need to pine for a lost mom or dad.
Alyssa Dawn of your father ever realizes that he has a problem and gets help then he'll have a chance to think ab all his mistakes
They just completely mislead this whole video. Go read the actual essay. There is way more than what they are spewing here.
Richard Lee you know I figured as much because ur just didn't make sense. They read to introduce the topic and then they gave us an interpretation in their own words of her reasoning
Yep. The article does not say what Ana Kasparian summises it says. TYT GFY
I wonder if part of it is her romanticizing the idea of having a father because she didn't have one herself. Some people have a tendency to think that the people around them are far more well adjusted than themselves, because they're aware of all their own flaws and fumbles, and all their own mistakes, but only see a small percentage of the mistakes made by those around them. That could lead one to think that everyone else has things together and choose to blame the one notable difference, when really, everyone has their issues they have to deal with.
That's true, everyone should take responsibility for themselves and be the person they want to be, dealing with their issues and such, regardless of those around them.
But, I'd check out this thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ and there's a bunch of other sites that have articles on the statistics of people growing up without a father.
If you don't want to read through it all, here's just a couple:
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes
People who grow up without a father are much more likely to be involved in crime, drug and alcohol abuse, have mental disorders etc.
Unfortunately that's the facts, and it's not to say that it's the case for everyone, and there's certainly other factors, but not having a father clearly has negative consequences.
I am curious about that, though, in that I wonder how many of those issues stem from situations involving abandonment, versus an actual effect of gay parenting. Basically, if the father leaves the parent and the parent remarries someone of the same sex vs the opposite sex, I wonder if that would have an impact on suicide rates, or if it was the feeling that their own father didn't want them or the stress of being raised by one parent that did it. I'm also curious whether in cases of adoption, where all the children have the potential to have those abandonment issues, if there are any differences in the experience of children adopted by gay couples versus straight couples.
I agree that it's damaging for a father to just run off and never speak to their child again, though I don't feel in this case that that's the mother's fault as the father could have remained in the child's life. Arrangements have been made between divorced couples that didn't want to speak to each other to allow the father to be an active part of a child's life, after all. However, I think it's important to do further studies on the subject to figure out all the factors, if for no other reason than in a case like this where the father had already made the decision to try and understand what going forward would lead to the least damaging outcomes for the child.
Personally, in this case I think the mother's relationship with another woman was the best option, because there was no getting the father to be a part of her life when he chose not to be, and it gave her a solid second parental figure. Marrying another man would likely only lead to failure of another relationship, which would have left the daughter in a position where she would have been abandoned by two fathers. The best option in my opinion would be to have a male friend who can be a role model in the daughter's life and can be around fairly often.
I'd also like to point out that a lot of these statistics say 'single parent homes without a father'. That's a very different situation from a two parent home without a father, and the two situations would have to be studied separately. Children of gay couples aren't even mentioned in that article.
But yes, ideally she would not have had a child with a man before working out her issues with sexual orientation. That's one of the biggest problems with a society that has rampant homophobia, is ideas that gays and lesbians should just try being with the opposite sex. Allowing gay marriage and accepting gay couples actually decreases this sort of issue, because they get married to the same sex in the first place instead of creating a fake relationship to keep up appearances.
PixieoftheWood YES!
Nah. I'm rich and sexy. i don't have flaws that I could think of.
My father left me when I was 14 after my parents got into a messy divorce. Am I against heterosexual marriage? No I am not. I did not have the benefit of having another parent - female or male - because my mother was not interested in remarrying and I am perfectly fine with that because my mother gave me everything I could possibly want and more. If she were to get married now to another man, I wouldn't tell her no. Despite my parents' heterosexual marriage ending badly, I am not against the whole concept. If she were to marry a woman (I doubt it because she isn't bi) I would still support her because I believe that love is love no matter which form it comes in.
Really the only person I am against in this whole situation is my father. I have no desire to ever see him and he is basically a stranger to me. I may not be perfect, but I didn't deserve his abandonment. I would never want to be with a parent who didn't want and was not there for me when it mattered the most so for the life of me I don't understand why this girl would speak out against her loving mother and step-mother and stand by her homophobic dad who clearly wanted nothing to do with her.
Thank you. My life is normal though. My mum's not interested in marrying again and if all of this has proven anything, it is that you don't really need a man - or a father - to ensure that your kid gets everything out of life. My mother gave me everything she could and never made me feel less for not having another parent. Single parents are capable of providing everything that two parents could if that single parent has the confidence and strength to do so. And the same applies to homosexual couples. They can provide for their children just as capably as any heterosexual couple.
+JellyLovesFaith And I love your last comment. Because it's true. My father abused me through my childhood and my mother didn't see it. But he abused my big brother with his fists and words too, and my mother would always step in to protect him, but that boy and I will never forget those evil eyes. Those disgusting words and that face never left me.
If only my mother raised us, if she was just more educated to think openly and to have confidence in herself to do so, then I wouldn't be a psychological mess today.
I want to raise kids on my own, but there's still a part of me that is afraid, since some people raised with a single parent say: "I grew up without the other half :'("
So, reading your story made me happy. You are a great person, because you had a great mother. :) 💕
If love is love in all forms would you object to an adult man marrying a 14 year old girl, or a 32 year old woman marrying a 16 year old boy?
+Mariano Rodgers Hell to the no ! sick ugh!!!
The question wasn't to you but since you spoke (and I don't mind that you did) if you hold that same view that all love is equal & therefore "love is love" bullshit then they be opposed to an "adult" with a "minor?!" Would you also say arraigned/fix marriage is wrong too?
See, you're making assumptions. The girl's mother could have made her father's life into a living hell when he tried to be a part of her life. I don't know how bad it was back then, but today, the justice system favors women to a disgusting extent, especially with divorce and child custody. You don't have all of the data and it is kind of rude to speculate in this situation.
Aubatron Thanks for raising awareness on how corrupt the justice system is when it comes to divorce and child custody. If my dad wasn't smart and my step-dad wasn't aware of my depression my mom would've either taken me away from my dad or separated me from my little sister by just taking her. The whole system favors women.
Gaber Gamer do you have any professional studies to back up your claims?
Andrew Norton I'm not going to run down all of the statistics for you and where they are sourced from, but I'll tell you that this is not a debatable subject, because there is so much solid data backing it up. You can either take my word for it that the justice system seriously favors women, or you can look up the data yourself.
I believe it is similar to this:
Women get convicted less.
Women spend less than half the jail time for the same crime.
Women win most child custody cases.
Women win most divorce cases.
There may even be a few more that were not on the top of my head. This is why I can't stand most modern day feminists. They will defend things like this until their last breaths.
Aubatron "There is so much solid data backing it up."
Doesn't present any of the data, even if there is so much.
I don't disagree with you, but you pretty much invalidate your entire point because you refuse to back it up.
Dominic Mercurio No, I refuse to spend the time for you to take 20 seconds to took at what will take me 5-30 mins to look up, to say "I validate your argument". Stop being lazy and look up statistics that support the argument that what I'm saying is correct or incorrect. I'm not writing an article, this is the RUclips comment section. If I say there is data backing it up, it is your job to spend your own time to call bullshit if I'm lying. I will say it again. You can either take my word for it, or you can look up the data yourself.
Parenting tips from TYT. No thanks.
They weren't even giving parenting tips.......so..
1) Children are not a prerequisite to marriage. A same-sex couple can get married and never have children, just as infertile individuals or the elderly can get married and never have children.
2) What can a father offer that a mother cannot offer? It is a delusion to assume the sex of the parent determines what they can offer the child.
3) The same argument can be made against heterosexual marriages if the mother decided to get remarried to another man. The father still would have left and now she would have resentment towards heterosexual couples?
Her argument has officially been debunked.
"Debunked by gays only."
I'm straight, and I agree with SacredTankX's debunking. Therefore you are wrong. :-)
Oh, I got the point alright.
antred11 Please don't feed the troll jan......he's an idiot.
+jan simonides Eww. 12 year olds like yourself need to get off the Internet and go outside. Your arguments are idiotic and disgusting.
I'm sorry you had the kind of life that led you to this. So much hate, so much ignorance. Wish you the best.
She is misguided, the same argument could be said as the father left and the mother married another man. Is not the gay factor, is your father is a jerk. Period.
that is not the case i bet he didnt know she was a lesbian before the maridge and THE BABY, she just used him for the baby and then she could be with her lower.And she insolted him probably for asking him to be a support for them, to be in the back ground, did she wanted to stay maride for him to be the kids male role model and the wife to be with her lover on ocasions.Women lie, they always say the story that suits them most.
Kathy Brown
Its not plesant but it is what it is,Thank you for saying it like it is, respect girl.:)
+Sale M And you are welcome I pretty much say it like it is as you might of seen some of my earlier post on here lol
this isnt Any diffrent than if it were another man not a woman GROW UP THINK WITH YOUR HEAD, she lied END OF STORY. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ARE EXCUSES YOU BOUGHT A LIE.
How do you know for a fact that she lied ?
You're using words like "I bet" and "probably", yet you seem to think that what you say is absolute truth. Seems contradictory to me.
What you are saying is outrageous.
After reading THE WHOLE letter I can see Heather is against gay marriage not because she's anti-gay, but because of the issue of same-sex parenting. She's not saying her mothers didn't provide her everything they could. She's saying they couldn't provide her with one thing she desperately needed, a father. You make it sound like missing a parent of one gender is only her personal situation, because her father was a dick, but it's not. Think in vitro children. Think gays using surrogate mothers.
The situation she describes - aching for a father in a community virtually void of men, and comprised of women who don't even understand why you'd need them - is eerily similar to situation of many children whose rights you'd advocate for. Gay boys aching for men when everyone around them keeps pushing women into their arms. Trans girls bashed for wearing nail polish and told they betrayed their gender. I can't imagine how determined you have to be to miss the similarity. But you are running in circles. According to you, Heather isn't entitled to express her distress from not having a father, although she could do as much about it as gay youth can do about their desire for the same sex. This is the kind of progressive hipocrisy that I just can't stand.
To end it with Heather's own words: "I know this is a hard conversation. But we need to talk about it. If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us. You taught me that." I know too that it might be difficult for you to discover that once you get as progressive as you possibly can, the world doesn't turn all rosy, but apparently IT DOESN'T. Instead of bashing people for having opinions, talk to them.
Sheriff V
You have a point if it is in fact usual for same-sex couples to maintain relationships to surrogates (or sperm donors for that matter). I admit that I can't be sure how it usually functions in practice, since I live in a country where nor same-sex marriage, nor same-sex parenting is legal. But I find it hard to imagine that e.g. sperm donors tend to take active part in the life of the children they father. After all they usually do it for money and can even ensure their own privacy so that their responsibility ends with the donation.
As for the adoption, of course I think it's better to have ANY parents than stay in state care forever. I also think that LGBT people can be especially loving and caring, because LGBT parenting is a result of a mature decision on the part of a couple (unlike in straight people, where you can just end up with a kid after a random one-night-stand).
That's not the point I see Heather make here. The point she makes is that while the current progressive view of same-sex parenting is: it's not at all different from traditional parenting; two parents of the same sex is enough for a child - this is not true for her. And the question is not whether it is ultimately better to have such parents rather than none, of course it is. The question is if it's OK to have kids born into LGBT families and claim it's just the same. What you claim about the surrogates is already a kind of adaptation of LGBT parenting to traditional norms. It's more like giving a child 3 parents of both genders.
What angers me the most here, though, is that TYT deliberately downplay Heather as a whiny ungrateful person. Yeah, she might be one. It might be the case that she just didn't succeed in her adult life and tries to put the blame on her upbringing. We don't know that. But if this wasn't a letter criticising LBGT parenting but, say, one from a trans person that blames their parents on the base of not recognizing their needs in childhood, TYT would LOVE it. They also have a knack for using one-time situations as metaphors for the whole society, as long as it serves their purpose. But this situation they disregard completely. If this isn't hipocrisy, tell me what is.
Sorry for writing so much. English isn't my mother tongue so I have some problems putting my thoughts into words more concisely :)
heheszki Personally, its just unfortunate that she feels that way. Thats my opinion. Just because her Dad wasn't there doesn't mean same sex couples shouldn't get married. I honestly don't get the logic. Her opinion doesn't really have that much of an effect so I am not that bothered.💀
Sheriff V
That's why I have a bit of a different stand on adoption by same-sex couples than on e.g. artificial insemination of lesbian mothers. The adoption I have nothing against, there are kids who are in need of any home. The deed's been done, now we can just try to improve the situation of these kids in any way we can. But artificial insemination and decidedly depriving a child that is yet to be born of a father, nah, I don't really understand this.
I don't think it's only the matter of genitalia :)
Anyway, time will tell who's right. From what I've checked, the stats tend to claim the children of the LGBT parents are doing OK compared to others. But who knows, maybe there will be more people like Heather in the future
Asm Asm Haha that I don't really understand either. I mean, she uses the words "marriage" and "parenting" interchangeably. There are heaps of benefits for LGBT couples that come with the legalization of same-sex marriage that have nothing in common with parenting, tax benefits and such, I don't know what problem she could have with that
Being against gay marriage because it supposedly removes the ability to have either a father or mother figure? That's asinine. The missing figure can come in as a mentor. However, there is no outrage against people who marry for green cards, get mail-order, brides, do it to appease a baby-trap or just happened to get drunk and met the wrong person in Las Vegas. That is so hypocritical. If horrible motive marriages should be allowed with no outrage, then outrage against a marriage between any kind of loving couple should be ignored. I'm personally against marriage altogether, but I am 1000% behind anyone's right to marry who they want, no matter the motive. Nothing should block anything two or more consenting adults want to do with each other, including something as loaded as a marriage contract.
That80sGuy1972 another idiot
That80sGuy1972 there are countless studies that show that a la k of eather a mother or a father figure leads to a chiled having less of a chance of graduating colleg and there is plenty of outrage about marige for citizenship and othere marriges like it and as for being against marige why do u think the african american community is doing bad its not because of institutinal racism its because single mother hood is at 72% so the question isnt why shouldnt to people that love each have kids its why dont you think a child dos not deserve a loving mother and father and a stable home??
wat there is plenty of outrage against all those horrible motive marriages
Sipho Nkosi
Whats wrong with your argument is the fact that you are bringing up the problems with single parenthood yet these people are being raised by two people not one. These kids of same sex marriages have two parental figures instead of one struggling one.
I think she's wrong, but I can see how easy it would be for a young mind to blame same-sex marriage for her father problems when her mother started dating another woman after her father left. She was too young to know that her father was a dick, so she feels as if she's been robbed of a father. I bet you that if she actually met her father and seen what kind of person he is, she would change her mind about all this. I think it's kind of pretentious for you or for TYT to act like you are above her or that you know more about her feelings than she does. Try gaining some perspective.
As a lesbian I do empathise to a point with her as my dad was never in the picture either, I had nothing to do with him and yet... I still want to know the other half of where I come from. Opposing gay marriage won't solve that, my mom wasn't gay she re-married a man. I get that she's hurting and doesn't want to blame her dad for leaving but she shouldn't punish her mom for it. Man do I feel bad for all of them right now
***** And that is one of the reasons why I will never conceive a child. I would choose to adopt a kid that had no choice but to live without them already. It won't fix their emotional pain, but at least I could be honest with myself that I'm not taking them away from something they needed. I wish more would do that instead of surrogates and sperm donors, but that's just my opinion.
+whizkid wow! so pathetic !! Hopefully you'll never have children!
whizkid I don't mean to be rude, but who are you talking about/to? I never said anything about the father at all, just that I understand the girls viewpoint, but how her suggested 'fix' won't solve the actual problem. (as they don't corelate, but I can see why she thinks that and where her hurt is coming from)
so is second marriage???????
jan simonides It's the same when straight parents divorce. If one of the parents don't want the child, then they are going to be raised by one biological parent. But its legal for parents to abandon their kids.
The hole that she feels due to her father choosing not to be in her life wouldn't even be filled if her mom remarried another man. You're biological dad left you and that hurts, no alternative circumstances will change that.
jan simonides that's not even true, fathers get visitation periods, she said it herself, he father didn't want a relationship with her
jan simonides I took it as her father didn't want a relationship but even if her mother was inhibiting her from seeing her father as a child. That's a situation that happens in straight couples all the time as well. My bigger point is that she is attempting to draw a conclusion about ALL lesbian families based on her individual situation.
shyyyone another idiot
Gay fams aren't fams they're very much adopted
I really hate how TYT condescends.
***** Empathy is a one way street.
YawnGod I don't have empathy about someone who forgives their bad parent and wants to take rights away from their good ones.
It's absolutely disgusting... they're frothing at the mouth that someone's against their agenda in this one.
Sean Hayes "agenda"
Sean Hayes No, they're angry at a person who has betrayed her parents and is actively trying to take her parents' basic human rights away. If you wanna see someone frothing at the mouth simply because people are against their agenda, watch Fox News.
Ana Kasparian's arrogant and self-righteous tone is insufferable. I can't keep watching. 🤮
w4fjhDU514I1 definitely hear her...definitely not listening.
Her experience is irrelevant to same sex marriage, besides just because a same sex couple is married, doesn't mean they are gonna raise kids. Very ignorant IMO.
+Lycanite - You are correct. That is an old fashioned idea. Marriage does not equal children and children dose not mean marriage.
+Elisha Clark That is MTV bullshit right there.
+Lycanite Plus her argument revealed she is hurting because her father left. She had a father and lost it. I can honestly say there is no pain greater than loosing a parent. You can't replace any parent you just can't. Its like replacing a child.
Once we humans form bonds we cannot replace.
+Terezi Pyrope exactly, she had something and then she lost it which is why she was unhappy about what got instead. But if she was kid that never knew her father but was raised from birth to adulthood, she would've never had anything to be upset about. Divorced kids for instance. It's probably pretty sucky when mommy and daddy used to love each and then now they don't and it hurts. But, me, mine divorced when I was an infant so I never had that anyways which is why I'm not hurting since it's not like I really lost anything. Idk if that makes sense.
Ifeanyi Nwonye It does hurt for bonds to be shattered. Yes I get the father was hurt but he should have at least raised the kid and stayed in her life.
I honestly think you guys have completely missed Heathers point.
Heather didn't really have a point. It was basically "my dad left me and I blame my moms who did a wonderful job raising me" which have no correlation and make no sense.
Yeah she did, this video is ignorant honestly. They are very subjective and small minded. If you read the whole article maybe you'll have a better understanding on Heathers perspective. Basically just imagine growing up with no parents you live with foster care majority of your childhood and just try picturing how lonely you'll feel. how sad you'll feel because you don't know your parents, you don't know what its like to have them, if you did know them, clearly they didn't want you which in my opinion is a little worse and this is how children of the same sex marriage feel. Especially the ones who have anonymous donors and do not know who the father is. You are missing something that pretty much everyone around you has which is a mom and a dad. Anyways Heather's article is really saying that the gay community taught her that its the same, same sex marriage is the same as hetero and its not and she knows this because she is married. I've never experienced any of this first hand but I just have a lot empathy. Fortunately for me I have a mom and dad together but I cannot imagine not knowing who one of them is or even learning the things I learned from my dad that my mom couldn't teach me.
+Moonlah In that case, she must be against adoption and sperm donation. Her logical pathway just doesn't make sense to me. Especially considering how she is against gay MARRIAGE and not against gay people having children. She has no reasoning for why two gay people shouldn't be able to marry. All her evidence and logic points to gay people not being able to fulfill the role parents should in a child's life.
Well if she supports gay marriage and not for gays having kids, your taking away some of they're rights which isn't fair to the gay community so therefor she has to be against gay marriage completely otherwise it wouldn't make sense to support gay marriage and not support all their rights like a heterosexual marriage would have which would be to have kids.
+Moonlah Being not in support of gay marriage is taking away even more of their rights. That is why I say it is illogical. She is against gay marriage because she is afraid to admit what she is truly against.
Looking through the comments. I don't want to be human anymore.
There is something terribly wrong with humanity these days...
They are wrong on this one. The dad didn’t just walk out she clearly wrote her mom wanted to be with someone she loves. There was robbed of an experience that only a father could give her.
I think they meant, that after they divorced, the father just left. The father could’ve still been in her life after the divorce and be that father figure
Donte Hughes THANK YOU.
Ok but what does have to do with same sex marriage??
My mom and dad divorced because she didn’t love him ever he knows that and he’s still in my life and they divorced when I was 3 I’m 17 now
Having a father present in the household who is actively raising the child is completely different to having some strange man coming to see you every week or every other weekend.
If the woman was that mad about her father leaving, then she should have a talk with him instead of blaming her family, right?
Exactly.
I mean her mother is the one who stayed and took care of her.
It makes no sense!
the mothere was a lier use her husbaint to get a child and she left him,what was he supposed to be in that situacione.
+Sale M He should of gotten an attorney took the mother to court filed for full custody And child support and gave her visitation without her girlfriend being around until the daughter was older and could understand and could understand the situation
It’s her own personal experience. You cant discredit her feelings.
Monica w exactly i just unsubscribed
Exactly, so rude
Telma Elma Did you actually read the article?
Monica Pittman Exactly. Why should gay couples not be able to marry just because her father is a dick.
Destiel did you actually read the article?
Someone has daddy issues.
CarbinkMonoxide omfg your icon
See what happens when you throw men out of the picture. This is selfishness.
Her dad left. They didn't take him out of the picture
Telling your man you want to be with a woman instead is kicking him out.
This woman needs therapy!
The aggressive feminist in the video? I agree.
@@grasonicus I think it's the homophobic daughter 😔
@@acetrainer_zack2455 She grew up with two lesbians, so she most likely knows more about lesbians than you do.
this is actually sad she hates her moms
after they raised her and loved her and cared for her
than she insaults them
she cleary does not love her mom
i would hate to be the mother of that ungrateful girl
THE MEEP QUEEN she is not ungrateful, she just has her conclusions, not everyone has to agree with homosexuality, for her it s wrong and she knows why, she lived in that "family", she could see why it s so wrong..
I hate people who don't listen. She said in her essay MORE THAN ONCE that she loves her moms.
Jenna Blue Jay -themeepqueen she loves her mom, she has said it multiple times
And here we see how a typical snowflake acts, only listening to want they want to hear and twisting opinions somehow into "facts"
She is upset because she wanted a normal family, a mom and a dad. That is how it was designed FOR A REASON.
I was raised by a single mother. My father was physically and emotionally abusive. He was not apart of my life. Did I wish at times I had a father figure? Yes. Do I still wonder how my life would have been different if I had been raised by both a father and a mother? Yes. But would I ever place that burden onto my mother and turn and be ungrateful for the support and love and the roof over my head for the asshole of a man my father was? No. This was the life I grew up with and I am proud of my mother and the relationship that we have. Her beef is with her father. Don't take that out on your loving mother.
I think the woman shouldn't say she's against gay marriage. She shouldn't stop other people from the benefit of having two parents regardless of gender.
In my opinion, she sounds like she hasn't grown up past being a teenager. Who says such an awful thing about loving parents? If you truly loved your mother and step mother, you would never say such a hurtful thing. The ungratefulness of her comment sounds like she was spoiled rotten and has no concept of how lucky she is to have two loving parents.
I'm guessing she hated growing up with two moms and always having to explain that she didn't have a dad. She probably got bullied about not having a dad which made her think her problems at school would have magically disappeared if she had a father. Her idealization of having a dad because of how society and the media portrays it is what causes her pain. Also, she's blaming the wrong thing for her dad's absence in her life.
This woman sounds like an awful person. I'm sorry her parents raised such a spoiled child.
+jan simonides She's claiming to be 15 they are all little uneducated idiot know it all's at that age that only Think they know about life and they just don't have a clue!!lol
Also isnt it a bit silly that instead of giving me back your opinion, you both thought it was a better idea to insult my age and education (that you know nothing about btw). Very mature guys
she didn t stop anyone, she cannot, she just said what she thinks about gay marriage, and she has the right to have an opinion, it doesn t mean she doesn t appreciate wat s done for her..it just that no amount of mothers can replace a father..and of course it is so gross to think about your mom being gay..I understand her. she is normal, the horrible persons are you here who say she does not have the right to say gay marriage is wrong..or that she doesn t agree with it.
+Lucia Tat I totally agree with you she definitely has a right to her opinion and her mother should understand having an opinion doesn't make you a bad person it's called being human!
Exactly. She seems to have romanticized the idea of having a father--a thinking which is indeed a bit immature. Not that having or wishing for a father or mother is immature, but romanticizing/idealizing the subject as akin to completion of one's being is not a hallmark of a wise-grown person.
If straight people are so against us, homosexuals adopting kids, then they should start being responsible for the “mistakes” that you put up for adoption.
How selfish that girl can be to say that she’s against the rights of their own mothers???? My rights bc the father decided to walk away from her life!!!! I bet who cleaned her tears was those two mothers when that happened.
So many kids in orphanages, in poor countries, in homes that they are abused would kill for a home full of love like hers.
Just wow!
Sassy Cece Actually they didn't tell her she had a father until she was 12...
A Person
He wasn’t in the picture at all.
I always knew that I had a dad and I always knew he didn’t want me, I always knew he didn’t want to be a part of my life. That hurt. I mean I love my mom more then anything but as a little girl I would always cry because I knew my own dad didn’t love me enough to even visit me once. They probably didn’t tell her to protect her feelings. I mean most adoptive kids aren’t told at an early age. Do I think they could handle it different? Yes! But they are still better parents that the runaway dad ever was.
In my opinion all she want a dad and can't express it and making the thing worse.
Sassy Cece another idiot
Ashley ash another dumbass
Regardless of one's position in this debate, these two are dissecting this girl's view with bias, and portraying matters for their own purposes - many of the arguments they pose are based on their interpretation of how the girl's argument is wrong in the first place. Any reasonably intelligent person with an understanding of clarifying positions within an argument could take these two apart. They should have interviewed the girl, rather than do what they did and if that wasn't possible they should have left the matter alone. One cannot discuss a position fairly and purport to, in part, represent the views of another for whom they are in complete disagreement. David.
agree
You are so right this doesn't count as news since opinions are added media "news" to me seem to now sound like tabloids
Lisa Oldfield it's not bias it's pointing out that this stupid b**** argument is dumb just like your dumb ass
No, this girl is wrong and they are calling her out on it.
After reading the linked artical, i dont think tyt even read the Original Document. If they did then why not just link it?
TYT Called her a terrible person for wanting a father figure. Crazy.
The problem with her logic is as follows:
She believes her lesbian stepmom was trying to fill a void in her life (her biological dad) which can never be filled and therefore all parents of same sex couples have this same void in their lives that need filling. The first part of her logic is valid and very common for all children who had one parent leave. But what she doesn't understand is that it is not unique to children of same sex parents. She is blaming same-sex couples with this problem where in reality she should be blaming all absent parents (same-sex and hetero-sexual). In her case the same sex-couple isn't even to blame at all.
She'll come around eventually I'm sure. Blaming others might just be a way for her to cope. One she will eventually outgrow as she matures. Unfortunately the people who have only loved her and treated her right are being harmed by this.
with that logic a man should marry himself to make marriage fair????marriage is between a man and a woman- this is especially needed my raising a child
two moms or two dads that is the norm or is it normal??? ewwww
Can't imagine the talk about the birds and the bees that's award
men can have sex with men and the women have sex with women .
don't pay attention to nature they have it wrong
You may think same sex couples are "eww" but adults can separate their own sexual preferences from law. The beauty of marriage is that YOU get to choose to marry who YOU see fit. Believing you have the right to tell others who they can and can't get married to makes you come off as a self-entitled prick too brainwashed by the reading of a cherry-picked verse to realize how delusional you seem to reasonable people. It's time for you to get your grubby hands the FUCK out of everyone else's business. Good Day.
Also you should probably take a course in reading because if you got THAT out of what I wrote then you have literacy problems on top of your bigotry.
you just proved my point
She doesn't realize that the problem lies in her father and not in the sexuality of her parents.
It's really, really disappointing.
Having 2 period parents will not make either one a father figure.
It shouldn't have to be a right for people to love whom ever they want. Loving someone even if that person is of the same sex, doesn't affect anyone in anyway.
preach it!
Yas Queen
Mariano Rodgers dude I literally can't understand the retarded arguement that you're trying to make. Please stop trying to talk as of you're smart. It's an insult to those of us who with intelligence.
+Saith Kun you can't understand it because you lack the ability to understand logic. You futher show your stupidity when you attack my intelligence but yet you lack proper syntax. If you re-read your statement you might catch your mistake. One could only hope so!
The right is for the same LEGAL status as straight couples.
what arrogant hypocrites saying she is an awful person to have her own opinion. She lived it for petes sake not them!
Yess!
So true they are judging on her
+Cindy Temple what I don't understand why people get so butt hurt about her not supporting gay marriage, I saw a video where a kid was getting death threats for not supporting gay marriage smh
Smh
+Jamal Jewel can i haz link?
honestly, two moms sounds awesome.
What she is saying was as she was growing up she felt her family was never a whole family because her father wasn't there, comparing to her friends and other kids family her family was not normal and not complete. She was basically saying she was growing up with no dad and she was jealous of other kids who all have a dad.
Tho Athome When you put it that way, it kind of sounds like a societal issue. She felt like an outcast because she was told her family structure was "wrong"
Maybe if she'd seen more positive depictions of same-sex parent families she wouldn't have felt so alone. Guess we'll never know.
imagine yourself with only one arm and all of your friends have two arms.
life is just not the same when you never get to experience what other around you have experiences.
Tho Athome Exactly! She shouldn’t be getting mad at gay couples (her moms) because she’s jealous that she didn’t get a relationship with her father.
Sounds like the lesbian marriage wasn't the problem. If there was no pressure to fake being straight in the first place there would have been no issue. She should be speaking out against straight marriage.
MyEBT&me are you ok
MyEBT&me Or maybe they're meant to raise the kids of people who procreated and then decided not to raise them. You ever think about that? Gay people exist to provide parenting for kids who don't have parents? There's a fuckin evolutionary advantage. Ignorant ass.
MyEBT&me www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/635/abstract
know what else is "basic common sense"?
Google
MyEBT&me I would love some credible evidence to support your claim.
cant find any? Didnt think so
MyEBT&me That provides no credible sources and cites no studies. It just makes vague claims.
I disagree with the notion... Mom did not care about her kid. She knew she did not love her husband and ultimately left him after making a child. THE FIRST WRONG AND THE BIGGEST.
Just because the mom is a lesbian doesn't mean she didn't care about her child, that is in my opinion really stupid to think that.
Did you fully read what I said. Mom didnt care by marrying a man she did not love, making a baby and then broke up her family for her own needs. Lesbian was never mentioned in my post.
newave ride Yes I did read the whole thing. Okay maybe at first she probably did love the guy, then later on she realized she didn't, then broke up with him, I mean it is possible that happened. You don't stay with somebody you lost your love for just so your child is happy while you are being with somebody you no longer love.
raymanspy95 she's a friggin lesbian. how could she have loved him at first?
Je Suis Infidel idk But some people usually have no choice because they are to afraid of their family members hating them and never wanting to talk to them again, so either she's bisexual or she just had to make her parents happy at the sake of her being miserable, I honestly don't have an explanation that just my closest guess I could make.
This video is too one sided. Insulting something is not something you do when you’re trying to have a logical debate or trying to rationally report something.
I feel bad for the moms. This probably breaks their hearts.
Liri 👽-"Mitchy _ Who's gives a shit about the moms with their ungrateful ass."
Mitchy _ another idiot
Wouldn't she be against men instead of same-sex marriage
jan simonides troll stfu
Typical feminist type of response. Are you in their lives to know that's what happened? Secondly, it is so obvious that the mother of the daughter left HIM not the other way around to be with another woman. Women do this more often then you think. It's funny how you just want to believe that's how it went down but truly none of us know how it really went down and why the father left . Me personally I believe the mother wanted to be with a woman and left the father and he was so embarrassed and hurt that he didn't want anything to do with her or her kid and that's messed up but don't be a typical left wing feminist by trying to put all the shame and blame on the dad as if you know for a fact he just left for no reason other then the fact that he didn't want anything to do with his family. Don't you think MAYBE, just maybe there's a possibility she left HIM to be with another woman considering that she is now with another woman.
So if her mom had gotten married to another man then her father would've stuck around? This is ridiculous! Her father made the choice not to be part of his daughter's life because his mother was happy with someone else, didn't matter if it was a man or a woman. The daughter wanted her dad around not just any male figure so her essay is really about divorce and/or remarrying not about gay marriage and its validity.
altho she did say having two moms isnt the same as having a dad and a mom so not only against divorce
Was it REALLY the father's CHOICE? Or did the women use the police or court system to chase the father away, then blame him?
PittPanthers90 Lol
Two moms will never fill the void of a desire for a father. Nor will two dads ever fill the void and the desire for a mother.
Wow!! Wait a sec!
TYT: It's ok you don't think this or that; but please stop bashing this girl's thoughts! She is the daughter of a lesbian couple, not you; she has things to say about it!
...Just the way they present this piece of news doesn't seem right at all!! They end up almost attacking this girl for expressing herself!
Ikr this seems all one sided
Aharon Aarons I agree. Gay bashing is wrong, but attacking this girl for having enough confidence in her own opinions is just as bad.
Aharon Aarons they didn't almost attack her they did.
That's how they make their points. They are not legitimate news anchors, they are retards
Earth Sky to be fair I think with our current political climate I don't really know what real news anchors and television is anymore since it is all condemned as fake and unreliable. I work in the industry myself with the production staff often as a director.
Jeanette Wagner you are definitely right
It’s completely ridiculous that she used the phrase ‘I am letting myself out of the closet’
Finch Gonzales i thought the phrase was genius
Hmm, this video seems too one sided. I hoped for an open minded review. I'm not in any side in particular but this just seems so bias driven. If I supported gay marriage or not I would still be very disappointed at how they opened up to this topic. I mean the things the girl was trying to say was just thrown to the dirt and stepped on by those two people. My over all opinion over this is it's not an open minded review, very bias and unentertaining. I mean seriously, I was hoping for some real arguments instead of just insulting the girl and making her look bad.
Pixen whats sad is they also twisted her words and made her seem like an idiot. People are so judgy for being an "acceptance" era
I reckon they cherry picked the arguments that she made without giving the context to it. And cenk doesnt know what he is talking about, just watch his debate against Ben Shapiro
I am getting the same thing watching it , who knows what happened the mother could have moved a great distance away with the child , maybe even filed false claims . Most of the dads I see in the Fathers Rights Movement are fighting some of have not seen their kids in months some in a decade . And the kids are often lied to as to why dad was absent told he did not want to hated the child , this story is not uncommon ...... it is heartbreaking
why me Liberals are the ultimate hypocrites. "Accept everyone!!" Unless you don't trumpet our views, in that case we'll kick you to the curb.
This whole channel is one sided. They're too colloquial, too opinionated, and selfishly just take one side and more of then than not cherry pick facts that they like or dislike only to fuel their agenda and bias. Sometimes what they cover on this channel isn't even what I'd consider noteworthy news! And when they DO cover said news, they don't even add anything to it (not that it's surprising since they aren't as knowledgeable about the news they present.)!
Case In point, this video. We don't know the whole story of what's happened with the parents and the daughter. They're just making vague assumptions.
You guys are so unbelievably biased you can’t have a rational discussion
Yes, the shrill left is as bad as the shrill right. Neither listen.
Totally agree!!
I believe that she resents her biological mother for having a kid with her dad, knowing that she was gay. She blames her mom for her dad leaving and not being a part of her life. But because she also loves her mom and her step mom, and she views her dad as a victim, she misplaced her frustration on gay marriage.
True logic right here folks.
To me it sounds like she just wants to punish the gay community by the actions of her dad, because it's easier to blame the community due to the hate it gets, then to hate her dad.
And that is just salty.. it would make more sense if she just hated her mum for leaving her dad ( I know it should be the dad she hates, but I'm just making a point that this is her OWN issues at home, NOT the LGBTQ community..)
PinkiPockets yeah I agree!
This daughter is a stupid, deflective IDIOT. I used my teachers as positive rolemodels because I HAD to. Also, what about all of the daughters of deadbeat dads denouncing the foolishness of bad mating? Oh? You say those daughters usually become pregnancy trappers?
PinkiPockets Not saying my opinion on this or anything but are you sure that's what you really think or what they just told you to think? Because it sounds to me, that the girl feels like she missed out on having a mother and a father, not that her two mother figures weren't amazing but she wished she had a dad. There is nothing wrong with her argument and it brings up an interesting aspect that there may be other children from same sex parents thinking this way also. Doubt it but could be.
Hollie King They are told by detractors that they're missing out and abnormal, so check your question of influence.
why would it be more sensible to hate her dad than her "mum" whom you acknowledge is the one who left the dad?
She's right - you DO miss out on certain dynamic with same sex parents. Just as you do if you were raised in a single parent family. There are things that only the same gender can bring to a relationship, and things that only the opposite gender can bring. She's also completely right that the absence of one gender as a parent leaves a hole that takes decades to fill, if ever. a well rounded human being NEEDS role models and mentors of both genders.
But whether that absence is worse than only having a single parent, or parents who hate each other, or no parents at all (in the case of gay adoption) - well that is the only issue that really counts.
***** It's certainly true that same sex partners can give just as much love and just as much nurture as any straight couple, but do you not think that in a society that creates expectations, that kids cannot help but feel the absence of a parental gender in their lives, even if only as role models?
Mat Broomfield I see where you're coming from, though I have to respectfully disagree with your solution. Yes, society favors children of heterosexual couples, but that doesn't mean we should stop letting gay people adopt. Society also favors white children. That doesn't mean we should stop black people from having kids.
Tresman101 In fairness, I didn't offer a solution - only a question. I agree with everything you said, I just observed that given ideal parenting, gay parents are sub optimal merely by virtue of their gender.
Mat Broomfield by that logic you also miss out when you are not born with same-sex parents, because they offer things straight parents do not a lot of the time. I understand what you're saying, in a purely mathematical way 2 ideal heterosexual parents seem better than 2 ideal homosexual parents, but in reality the quality of nurture the child gets might be exactly the same depending on the circumstances. The knowledge a person has just because of their gender is nothing that can't be effectively replaced and taught to children by a male/female role-model that doesn't need to be the parent. The same applies to single parents.
alx64uchiha In his book "Raising Boys" Steve Biddulph talks about the international change in male psyche caused by a lack of male role models. It's fine to talk theoretically about replacing the missing gender with someone else of that gender, but there are numerous reasons why that does not work.
The greatest thing that each gender provides is empathy with the issues affecting that gender. If two women are raising a boy, who is the male role model who will speak informally about his experience of morning arousal, premature ejaculation, awkward erections, dating etc? I was closeish to my grandfather, but not THAT close, and I suspect that neither me, not any other male in my life would have been comfortable discussing such issues - even if my mother had trusted them to do so.
It's the informal nature of gendered role models, not the big "Sit down and let's have a chat" stuff that makes the difference in shaping attitudes.
I appreciate what you're saying, that in principle, it's all just knowledge, and knowledge does NOT have a gender bias, but the reality is different from the sterile theory.
Speaking personally, I craved a male hug, and I really suffered from the lack of a father when it came to guy issues. In fact, I don't think another male hugged me after the age of 5, until maybe my 30s in the sports arena.
My moms are just the sweetest and I will never speak badly of them because they have given me nothing but love, and I'm truly grateful for being blessed with them.
I wouldnt look at this as a betrayal or criticize her harshly or tell her shes a terrible person; she obviously has issues which led to this point of view. Understanding these and combating her points with logic and being understanding of her point of view is a better choice. Her opinions, as far as i can tell, arent in malice. Fighting back with malice wont help.
duo1666 I tend to agree...but...she's old enough to know better. She's not a 15 year-old. She should've been able to figure out the flaws in her reasoning by herself.
loki2240 Thats not really possible psychologically.
loki2240 even if she felt that way about her father. At 15 or 16 or shit even 12 I would have found a way to see or talk to my dad. It seen from her writing that he didnt even make and effort but if she was so curious about her father then she should I look for them earlier instead of blaming someone later because she didn't find out earlier rather if she is psychologically damaged or not. she still should have looked, because humans are curious you dont have to be smart to be curious. She looking for someone to blame probably because the father didnt explian his case hence "he never was around".
duo1666
Sure it is psychologically possible. Everyone who was abandoned by a parent doesn't take it out on same-sex marriage, marriage in general, adoption, the right to divorce, etc. And a lot of people who did lash out have learned that it wasn't a good way to deal with their issues.
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To be fair, it was a lot harder to find people, when she was a teen, before the Internet. I don't blame her for not contacting her dad. I blame her for taking out her abandonment issues on same-sex couples and their children.
I think she means that she wants kids to have both a mother and father.
If I did everything I could for my kid the way this mom did and she turned on me like this I don't think I could speak to her again.
I feel that a father figure as well as a mother figure is important. Them working together is ideal.
If the dad is a dick, then the mother who, knowing she was a lesbian, tricked a guy into marrying her, is a monster, just saying.
maybe allow gays to marry?
Baloo Dumptruck That still don't excuse her behavior.
God
you mean the dad
*****
Maybe allow gay marriage throughout the country so shit like this won't happen?
Baloo Dumptruck
Listen idiot, no one put a gun to her head to start a family. She did not have to sacrifice the life of a man just so that she can appear "normal" to her family. But this is a concept you will never get, for you are a progressive idiot that believes certain "oppressed" groups cannot be held accountable to their actions. Too bad, I am a liberal, I wont let you hold others around her responsible for a mistake she made.
poor girl had to grow up with a decent childhood and a loving family...what a tragedy!
Sounds like a teen thing that she'll regret making public in a few years.
She's not being ungrateful for her mother and step-mother's care, she is simply saying that it was no substitute for having both a male and female parent.
This argument is saying something like, "I found a roach in my burger at McDonalds, so I think Burger King should be banned.
This video is SOOOOOOOOO bias against the opinion they don't like
I think this video could have been summed up a lot quicker with a simple title like "moronic woman betrays her loving parents with deluded opinion on same-sex marriage"
She can say what she wants as long as she doesn't write laws against her own mother.
Maybe I could come to my own conclusion if you gave the full story :/
My dad brought me up alone and I dont feel like Im missing out on a mother figure.
So she's putting all same-sex relationships in one box? Just because something bad happened to her that was related to her mom wanting to be with another woman, no two men or two women should be allowed to get married? Hilarious. And if her father doesn't want to support her because her mom doesn't love him, he isn't worth getting upset over anyway and a life with him would have been way less happy than a life with her mother and step-mother who actually wanted to have a relationship and both support her. Gay marriage wasn't the problem, her father was.
Also, married doesn't always mean children. Two women or two men could get married and not have children before from a previous relationship and maybe not want any in the future but according to this girl's logic since some fathers or mothers don't want to see their kids because their bitter over their ex-spouse being gay or bisexual and wanting to be with someone they actually love and not raise a kid with them while fighting all the time, all same ex marriage should be illegal. Wow.
I know this is getting super long but I wanted to say I agree with the man. This girl is potentially feeding hateful homophobes who would be disgusted and even outraged by her mother and her partner. She is giving them a face to push their agenda with and it breaks my heart that her father being so cold and not wanting to still support the family makes her think something so absurd and backwards.
You do not know her and her family. Stop being stupid.
I grew up w/o my father and never dreamed about having a dad. Everyone's situation is different.
You guys are not looking from an unbiased stand point. She is not just upset at her dad who was probably really hurt and upset that the women who loved did this to him. But she also is upset at her mother for divorcing her father. The mother is at fault because she didn't ask her daughter how she felt and only cared about her on feelings. The father is at fault because he basically disowned is child. You have to look at it from both sides it's never just one parents fault for anything. (Well there are exceptions) don't hate on this comment pls :)
I know my writing sucks. I'm working on it.
Her story has nothing to do with gay marriage. She might as well come out against sky scrapers or white fish. Not having a relationship with her father has nothing to do with her mothers second marriage.
notatheist61 Her mother didn't even remarry because same-sex marriage was illegal. So, continuing the ban won't bring her father back into her life, and it won't keep both biological parents together in any other household.
You're almost right. It doesn't really have to do with gay marriage. She's saying kids need opposite sex parents because they are either missing out on the masculine or the feminine. TYT doesn't understand her point and attack her on unrelated arguments. You can disagree with her, but TYT had no clue the argument being made.
I don't believe this story even for one second. Her mom left her father for someone else and she is mad about it. They probably blocked her father from seeing her.
Sheku Sillah That's pretty difficult to do, when the child is the product of a legal marriage.
blocked her father from seeing her? back when this happened her father could have probably gone to court and gotten custody of her, fair and square ,thats how frowned upon this was in early eighties. if anything this would have given him more leverage in a custody battle. he jumped on the situation and bounced. he used it as an excuse and left. they didnt keep him from seeing her, u cant legally keep someone away. besides even if they were trying to do that, as some divorced parents will try to do, that when u fight for ur child. u dont get up and leave
There's no evidence that shows he didn't try. I have a friend who was married with two kids. He owned two houses that he bought for his family. His wife cheated on him so much that he had to divorce her. She took both houses from him and kicked him out by order of the court. He has to fight in court for his kids. He got one of them but not the other. He couldn't see his own daughter. Today his daughter hates him because she thinks he didn't fight hard enough for her. His ex-wife married the guy she cheated with. Now they both leave in his house with his daughter after kicking him out on the streets, again by order of the court. He told me they threatened to put him in jail if he persists. He raised his son who aspired in school and is very successful. If I didn't know about his son, I would have thought he was lying just like anyone else. He is not the only one. This is systematic in cases like this. I'm a liberal and believe in the rights of women but this is injustice. I agree with TYT on almost everything but not this.
Sheku Sillah
Assuming your story is true, what reason did the court use for denying visitation with the daughter. It has to be very extreme to be denied even supervised visitation.
What an asinine commentary. She was talk to stand up for what she believes, when she does, you excoriate her.
I'm lesbian and have 14 month old little girl, I done it via A.I and it's the best thing I've ever done. She's the happiest little girl ever, she's amazing always has a smile on her face. My whole life revolves around her, gay families are just the same as hetro families.
Love is love! ❤💜💚💙
jan simonides Aw really? That's weird. I can understand why though. I'm in Scotland and it's fine to do as you wish, my donor is currently helping me make my second little child. 💞 x
No its not the same.
i feel sorry for the poor girl
SuperCardFan you must believe the earth is flat.
Perversion.
Why cant she have an opinion?
I mean for fucks sake she lived it YOU didn't!!!
I can kind of see what she's grieving over. Her mother and step mother were wonderful they loved her and raised her properly but she really wanted a father. I can understand this because I couldn't imagine having a life without my father. I love my father, and my mother... I love having chocolate and vanilla not just vanilla. I'm not against homosexuals or gay marriage but for me personally I love having both a mom and a dad.
So how would banning same sex marriage have given her a dad? I know so many woman who have children and the man just vanishes.
The better argument that she could make would be "if same sex marriage were legal and accepted I wouldn't have been born at all"
Wouldn't be any different than straight parents.
Billie Maier I don't think the problem is same sex marriage. its gay adoption
+jan simonides I'm not sure what's more funny. The fact you confuse homosexuality and transgenderism or what you think women are like.
once again ... gay people are not sterile. They can and do have biological children. This is what happened in this story.
I do agree that having both a paternal and maternal figure is "optimal" but it doesn't necessarily have to be one of your parent. It could be your uncle/aunt your brother/sister or other relatives or friends of the familly. Maybe the mothers of these girl didn't bring male friends or relative in their life to have somewhat that role.
raydaveed Yes! I totally agree with you. I think children need a man and a woman role in their lives but it doesn't necessarily have to be their parents.
agreed!
raydaveed thanks for that awesome wisdom uncle-dad. Smh
Finally one smart person thank U for saying it
PREACH!
Having a couple that love you is a blessing whatever sexuality they are.
jan simonides "Normal sexual orientation"? Although being the most common sexual orientation, homosexuality is a thing that happens in nature too. "Focused on an object to make kids with"? I'm assuming you mean an objective or something else, because it sounds odd(as if you were referring to the other person's partner as an object); do correct me if you meant something else. Not all of those relationships are focused on "making a kid" either. Once again, all those you listed are just sexual desires you could feel towards things, regardless of your sexual orientation; moreover, they are not indicative of your sexuality. -philia=extreme love/obsession. -philias=/= sexuality.
jan simonides you trust wiki, that's intriguing. And anything calling homosexuality a "desease"? Come on...
jan simonides dude! Get it through your head. I'm not talking about that. I was just clarifying definitions. Jeez...
I think it's less about problems with gay marriage and more about the fact that Heather knew and missed the father that she no longer had a relationship with, on top of having a rather bubbled community of predominantly gay and lesbian friends as she mentioned means that it would be hard to find a father figure. I think the need for one male one female isn't ultimately important because you can find father figures in people who you aren't related to, but I see her point, that assuming that same sex marriage does not affect the kid would be untrue when a woman literally cannot replace a man or vice versa.
I wouldn't agree with that... I had a step dad growing up, I adored him and thought for a while that he was my real dad... But in my eyes, my mother was EVERYTHING. She worked three jobs, she protected me, supported me, encouraged me, played with me, nursed me, taught me right from wrong, brought home the bacon and really, worn the pants in the house. She inspired me and helped me realised that you don't need a bloody man in your life. Whereas the dad would usually need to learn to behave more motherly, a mother can easily behave as a father figure.
It's just how I feel. I know everyone has their arguments and will try to fight me on the subject. But my opinion that mothers are more important, will not be shifted :) Like I said, I love my dad... But I'm a mama's girl at heart :)
Bunny Whisperer How can you say that mothers are more important when you wouldn't be here without a man. Not too mention the fact that men can everything thing your mom did so what makes your mother better?
Chicken Nugget Gamer Because, I have my beliefs, as do you :)
can I have your parents...?
Exactly
Does having gay parents automatically make them the best parents? Gay parents can be shit parents too.
i need a social life ayeeeee, the phandom
A Jones I heard phandom I have been summoned😂
i need a social life id love heathers parents
She's not "a terrible person." She's unhappy that she grew up without a father. She knows there are more and more kids now being raised without fathers ON PURPOSE, which is unfair to them.
the whole assumption TYT is making about this woman is that she hold some kind of resentment against her father , argument from silence to say the least , no matter what you do male/male or female/female cannot make a family for obvious biological incompatibility , props to that woman.
***** if that sperm does not meet that egg you wont have a family
***** morality is not determined by public opinion .
***** so cannibalistic societies are right
FreeSudani gay families are here to stay, regardless of your crying
***** yep the cannibles were judging everything from thier prospective as well i see no difference here ....they (overwhelmingly) agree eating human flesh is not immoral . same applies with the Nazis....you talk as if you have reached moral perfection ....