Oilers' Warren Foegele Gets Game Misconduct After Collision With Eetu Luostarinen
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Watch as Edmonton Oilers forward Warren Foegele receives a five-minute major and a game misconduct for kneeing Florida Panthers forward Eetu Luostarinen in Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Final on Monday.
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Oilers look completely outclassed
That's what happens when you play with a cry baby 😅😅😅😅
I’ve been listening to oilers radio broadcast on RUclips cause I refuse to pay for cable. But the announcers are such homers I’ve literally never heard it to that degree it’s like a livestream with some fanboys. But their resignation speaks volumes. Florida is the better team by far so far in this series and it hasn’t been close
@@andrewchristie2970 just watch the games for free on onhockey or something.
@@andrewchristie2970it’ll save you from having to listen to a radio broadcast
@@andrewchristie2970 What? The Oilers were the better team in game one. Florida only won because Bobrovsky stood on his head.
He earned that penalty. I love the physical play, and fights, but I hate plays like this.
Same.
Being physical is one thing intentionally injuring another player is never okay
For what? Blocking a pass and tripping himself because of it?
@DBeau73 you must not play...because a knee to knee hit can end a career
@@criticalthinker494you must not play either if you think that was intentional. Clueless folks in the comments section here.
yeah....he absolutely stuck his leg out. Im sure the league will have a thing or two to say about that
He was trying to stop the puck
i sure hope so! should be a couple games
Its the precious McDavid squad ... 5K fine incoming.
@@Eric-zv9ut ok, and?
@@Eric-zv9ut he didn't just try, he did stop the puck and kicked it the other direction which is completely acceptable...so you are right...many fans are saying he did it maliciously but they aren't watching the puck.
he extended his knee and pushed off and drove it into him. that's a major and game misconduct.
Knee on knee contact is about as bad as it gets. Even if it's unintentional it's a clear misconduct.
LOL, I don't think you have ever played the game.
Haha only Bettmans anti-canadian fixed games
Don’t move out of the way and put yourself in a bad position. Same hit happened 3 times tonight. You’re pretending to be a referee
Same thing happened to Adam fox only 2 mins for caps
im sure if it was a florida player doing it all of Edmonton would be screaming
Edmonton are real men and don’t flop
Bennett did it to Bouchard
@@Pizzalover22-um1vw pff you're delusional.
@@STARPHASEBennett literally did it to Bouchard the first penalty only difference was Bouchard didn’t act like he tore his ACL
@@Pizzalover22-um1vwlmao did you miss game 1?😂
Soooo, if that was McJesus on the end of that what would the Oiler faithful have to say?
Oiler fan here. 5 and a game misconduct is the right call.
@@krispypriest5116finally someone who understands the rules
McJesus is a real man and isn’t a flopper so he wouldn’t have flopped like that.
@@krispypriest5116 Bennet also had a kneeing penalty that they called tripping to avoid the major and bennet even moved into the oiler on his..opposite of avoiding lol
@@Pizzalover22-um1vwyou can’t be more ironic with that statement 😂
this and barkov was the reason why they kept McDavid on the bench last 2 minutes.. what will happen in the next game?
And then McD shows his true colours with a sucker punch on Tkachuk after a great defensive play by Chucky. And I hate Florida, haha
@@RodCalidgedawg, that was a hook and a slash. Chucky was also the one that punched him first. I’m impartial, but you’re coming off as a panther fan.
Funny seeing everyone saying he dove. I bet you all would be singing a different tune if it was McDavid on the receiving end.
The panthers were flopping all game bud.
Looks to me like Foegele did that on purpose and got what he deserved.
But…
If McDavid had received a knee-on-knee, the Panther wouldn’t have received a game misconduct. That’s the issue. That’s the Bettman NHL.
@@Pizzalover22-um1vwNo they weren’t
@@Pizzalover22-um1vwyea because getting shot in the knee, nuts, and face results in a “flop” 🤡🤡🤡
@scawfan75 Without a doubt!
So weird that he gets the game misconduct but Draisatl didn't as well for the head shot on Barkov...
The refs were too scared of giving that to 2 Oilers in the same game and getting called out for bias I guess.
Edmonton looks like an AHL team compared to Florida so they have to resort to playing like D bags, Draisaitl, Kane, Perry, other than Micdavid the Oil are a sub par team. Hyman who? Nugent who? These guys are all looking good when Micd is on his game but Florida is on to their game and shutting down 97. So far this is looking like a sweep to me.
Better than Gretzky... 🤣
Dirty ass play.. He’ll get it his.. Watch.
Oiler fans complaining about officiating Considering Drausaitl left his feet Elbowed Barkovs jaw but only 2 they tried to get Edmonton a win
the refs have been helping them through the playoffs to this point. Maybe a little less overtly against dallas. that i think was less the refs and more Deboer not knowing how to hockey. but vs LA and Vancouver, the refs were doing everything in their power to push edmonton through as quickly as possible.
Well he was still called for that. Although I don't understand how was that roughing and not charging...
@@codearmadillo it should have been a match penalty for elbowing and a f***ING suspension
Like Bennett on Marchand you mean?
@@Voxguitarsrockabsolutely!
Poor guy missed the finals last year and this in game 2. Good thing he came back but sheesh.
Kane challenging Tarasenko to a fight. LOLOLOLOL...nice
You never go full Maple Leafs
Simple Jack and all that!
Instead of randomly elbowing and cheapshotting Tkatchuk and getting dumb penalties , at least try that to make it worth it lol.
Ekholm and Kane 💩 them self after they saw Mikkola 😂
Memories of Ulf Samuelson with the way he clearly stuck his knee out.
That was a cheap shot for sure
Look @1:48, and tell me what the hell you even see... Who's the cheap one?
Yet florida did it twice and its fine?
@@bobbyeapen6049 So what are you saying that Edmonton hit wasn't a cheap shot?
Oilers lose? Great day for NHL fans all around the World.
Big tough Evander 'You Bet' Kane goes after Tarasenko. What a man! Nice to see the cOilers pick Kane and Perry. Will make it that much more satisfying when they lose.
Anyone backing evander kane in any way whatsoever is a sociopath. Can’t believe he’s still allowed in the league. You can even tell everyone hates him they have to tolerate him
where are you seeing this knee on knee contact? I have watched the hit over and over and still don't see it. Lou's leg is bent over behind him and Foegele's knee comes in around the front hip. Also, Foegele played the puck with his skate...you can see the direction of the puck change with his contact...so his leg/skate was angled to hit the puck and that's why it looks so awkward with Lou's body position.
Sorry not seeing this brutal knee on knee...take a look at what Bennett did to Bouchard earlier...that was an actual knee on knee
Exactly, if you look @1:48, clearly, it was Foegele knees on the other guy's thigh... and the other guy curled up, deserving an award for best bi7ch performance. Team PanZee's... that's all it is..
Wha? You can't check his knee with your knee? Shocking!
Since that didn't happen at all, what was the call then?
1:11... CLEAR as day. As someone that wanted Edmonton when this series began, I'm Florida all the way after game 2 and all the cheap BS. Draisatl should have gotten a 5 min as well. Florida deserves this Cup far more. Bobrovsky has Conn Smythe written in the stars. It's his for the taking. Crazy as hell Edmonton has only been able to score on Bob and this Florida D ONE time in 2 games 😂. Honestly the worse team won the WCF. Should be Stars vs. Florida. Would have been a MUCH better series.
Pathetic Oilers: Draisaitl who lost ALL important face-offs and 2 min penalty, Bouchard who had terrible game with 2 critical give away and 4 mi penalties, mediocre Skinner ( SV = .88% ) and the rest of this pathetic Co. 🤪🤪Florida is clearly much better team.😇😇
Yea you’re right.their so pathetic their in the final u absolute fool.played bad tonight for sure but outshot Florida on Saturday night. Wind your neck in your embarrassing.
it's like watching boys or women play against men. this just doesn't seem fair for Edm.
@@Goats22Real men don't dive. Florida aren't real men especially seeing how Evan Rodriguez flops vs the Rangers, Bennett takes cheap shots against Bouchard, and Foegele is kicked out when Luostarinen embellishes a 2 minute penalty into a 5 minute penalty and that's true since he was back in at the end of the first. Dirty franchises don't deserve respect.
@@ChicosMonkeyFarm Mcdiving is the king flops whenever a stick gets near his skates... but keep blaming the refs when you score 1 goal in 2 total games. Oilers fans are proving who the most whiney fanbase in sports. even if the calls were changed... oilers still can't score
@@joeonthego8247 Deflection is all Florida knows. Like I said dirty franchise don't deserve respect and clearly it's bothering.
I’m only here for the comments keep em coming 😂
Look @1:48, and tell me what the hell you even see... I'm waiting... FOOLS. The refs like normally in the NHL make up BS.. They even reviewed it... but that's how the game is nowadays... It's all matched for Florida... Anyways
@@bobbyeapen6049 I really don't care, everyone is a critic and has their own opinion and most are hilarious... Anyways
Guy was back 5 mins later💀💀
So i can go punch you on the street and if you are not out of it after 5 mins its totally fine 🤔
It's like they're playing European football or something
Next shift
your point?
@JaneNayes should of been only 2 minute penalty
Lol and he was back on the ice before the penalty was even over 😂
Something tells me Game 3 is going to start the same way Devils/Rangers did.
All I could think of was Cam Neely.
Typical oilers.
There were so many cheap awful shots by edmonton against vancouver......the mcwasteof8yearscontinues
Odd, he stopped the puck with his skate and that is what he was trying to do. I had to rewatch it several times because it felt a bit odd.
Was it intentional? No. Considering that he was the last one to touch the puck before the hit really makes me wonder if there should have even been a 5.
@@bareknuckles2u That was clearly not intentional, refs are biased against Edmonton, maybe they're placing bets who knows
@@jokerofmorocco No one cares if it's intentional bud. Knee on knee is bad enough and he leaned into the hit with his leg. No defending this one. 5 min and game misconduct was correct.
@@tylerwoods9903 He was blocked the pass and did touch the puck. The leaned into the hit was because his skate blade was sideways while he was still moving forward and tripped. But of course, the blind people miss little details like this. They are worse than refs with their biases.
BTW, I want the Panthers to win. Mostly because of a trade condition that would benefit my team.
@DBeau73 ban him for life. No place in the NHL for goons like that
Saw this happen to Adam Fox in the first round… no 5 minute major… no game misconduct. Just a two minute penalty. Fox was never the same the rest of the playoffs.
If you pause the video right at the point of contact you'll see the panthers player stepping out of the way of the check exposing his leg. This is pretty standard incidental contact in hockey. Foegles legs are together and he is in the midst of extending his upper body for a check. This is poor officiating.
Legs are together? Did you watch the replay with your eyes closed? He LED with his knee, multiple feet (or dozens of cm for you) in front of his other foot, and he extended his LEG not his upper body. Your bias is palpable.
Tarasenko : "Knock knock"
Kane : "Who's there" ?
Tarasenko : "Hernia"
Kane : "Hernia who"
Tarasenko : "Hernia good jokes lately"?
Game 2 of 4.
I’m Canadian but go Panthers, Oilers are the dirtiest team I’ve ever seen play in these playoffs
then you havent watched any panthers games.
Toronto fan
Not an Oilers fan, but that's not a 5 minute major. Bennett one was way worse than this
This is a textbook game misconduct
One missed call does not mean another is not a penalty.
@@no6418Unless it’s the panthers doing it. Then it’s just a 2 minute minor.
Not an X fan basically means you are an X fan and just trying to prove a point by lying
That's a game misconduct? It didn't look on purpose.
How is this any different than What Adam Fox took in Round 1??? This from some angles looked like they just collided, i could be wrong but you call a 5 and a game for this and when Nick Jensen Blatently stuck his knee out, doesnt even get a 2. If your gonna call it one way, call it the other way and refs fail to do that
Oilers fans coping hard in these comments. Sheesh.
Look @1:48, and tell me what the hell you even see...
@@bobbyeapen6049 easy, Foegle leading with the leg to make contact, maybe wasn't going for the knee on knee, but clearly he is going leg first so any contact is 100% on his fault
@@joeonthego8247 Well, if you watch the footage, It was LikHerAnus, who deliberately placed his knee in an awkward position, at an angle where it was seemingly meant to hurt someone. And then he fakes his injury, by lying down like he died... Gets a 5 min, which if anyone reviewed it, would be hard pressed to find this intentional. Also if you see where LikeHerAnus, gets hit, was in his thigh, and well, that area does have good degree of protection. Considering that both players didn't have that much speed going in, as LikeHerAnus was going at a very slow speed(he was almost at rest, and trying to speed up), and Foegle, was also going at slow speed toward the puck. One decided to be a fuggen useless hoebag, and pretend his leg was blown off... to get the bs call. The other was a true sportsman, who got up and shook it off. Considering 2 things, one Foegel as more likely to be injured, and shrugged it off, while 2 LikHerAnus, plays the next shift like it was healed by the hockey gods... REALLY!
@@bobbyeapen6049 I see Oilers fans coping hard. I’m not a Panthers fan, either 🤷♂️
that angle is horrible, it doesn't really show much
It shows Foegele leading with his knee ... Can't defend that. Come on ...
He was playing the puck and the cats player couldn’t get out of the way, it was an awful accident nothing more. There were 2 other knee on knee hits, logic in the comments means that bennet should have also got a major
@@justinbarton8808I didn't see the penalty but look at 1:10-1:13. Clearly looks like he stuck the leg out on purpose
@@maha8854 but you forgot about the fact that his skate played the puck...convenient to leave that part out
Payback im guessing
man that hurt so bad cant imagine at their speed and with their equipment on
Different angles show barely any contact. Massive dive job. And of course he was good to go next shift
That's going to be more then 1 game I bet
So between this and the Draisaitl hit-basically edmonton doesn’t know how to win without taking players from the other team out? They should try UFC next season 👍🏼
When you include journeyman players such as Warren Foegele in a lineup for a Stanley Cup finals game, incidents like this can happen. Regardless of whether it was a dirty play on purpose or just a foolish mistake, it negatively impacts Edmonton's chances of securing a victory tonight. If McDavid doesn’t win the cup this year, it’s time for him to consider moving from Edmonton to a team that can truly leverage his incredible skills.
Oh, please let that happen.
Then move the fricken team.
City tax problems solved. 1:57
There is zero chance Mcdavid is staying in Edmonton beyond his current contract.
My dad (a surgeon) thinks it was a thigh contusion. 6 out of ten.
the other player was back the next shift
Oral surgeon?
It is so sad when the son of a surgeon ends up being a moron!
@@5280BLMspecializes in knees and shoulders. Don’t ever insult my dad again.
@slider903 Surgeon: “In my expert medical opinion, that appears to be a contusion.”
Everyone else: “Probably just a bruise.”
Its amazing how the dirty teams get away with stuff, then this play the guy is ejected lmao..
it is a clown world indeed
Look I’m gonna sound like the most biased oilers fan but I agree it’s so stupid. That gets him a 5 min? Florida has gotten so much bs to go their way so far. I hope it doesn’t stay the same game 3 onward
Panthers can literally hook McDavid 5 times between the legs on a breakaway and it’s not a penalty shot. Refs are anti Canadian and a joke.
@@Par.k3r2008 bad angle tbh - this should have been a major he went for his leg on purpose with no intent to make a proper hit he was just trying to hurt him. Also the hit on Barkov later in the game was a dirty hit as well as nikkola getting slashed in the crotch in the final minutes of the game. Panthers definetly push teams around a bit to get under their skin but the way the oilers played tonight is crossing the line. Out to hurt people.
@Pizzalover22-um1vw welcome to the CUP cry baby can't get his way .......... do or die game 3 already ....going to need more then one goal to win by the looks of this series 🙌
Fogele lined up Eetu's knee, I play a lot of hockey here in the south and you can see when someone goes out of their way like that to line someone up. Like this clown Fogele acting like he didn't know what he was doing. Have some class and respect for the game bro, drop those gloves and go toe to toe, don't do that garbage in a Stanley Cup final. Just an embarrassment, Draisaitl too. Did these guys learn to play in Flon Flon or something?
What was Bennett trying to do on Bouchard?
Draisatl took out Barkov. Time to destroy Connor McOverrated.
Crazy if you think he's overrated lol
@@deucedeuce333Mcdavid is overrated dude.
Did you watch game one? when McD get hit?
He completely dove away from the hit and left his leg out, take the hit or get hurt. Foggy was just going straight the whole time
That should never have been a major penalty. Complete accident on both sides. Should be a no call they both ran into each other at the same time. Anyone saying this was intentional you don't know how fast that actually happened and how you would react running head first into someone. He moved his leg to try to avoid him and ended up making it worse. Zero intent for injury.
Watch it again. Foegele led with his knee, and throughout the hit is looking down at his knee, not the puck.
Awe poor eetu , it’s hockey not badminton
Did the Refs look at All Cameras? This camera angle shows the Knee was behind when they Hit. Maybe they Need to go Back to the Older style knee guards ?
The Bettman Panthers getting preferential officiating all playoffs long.
stick a fork in it bud that was a dirty hit. Cry harder lol
Not surprising, Bettman is at the game having the time of his life.
Panthers played better just take the L 🤣🤣🤣
Why are there so many bot comments under this?
Canuck fans are so clueless
Must be nice being a oilers fan. Squandering all of those first overall and the best years of mcdavid. Florida got this
That's just every site nowadays. RUclips, reddit, twitter, insta etc. it's all filled with bots who are much quicker to comment on new posts than humans
@@Mattoilers97he simply just asked a question. Oilers fans are beyond arrogant and just a bunch of douchebags
Edmonton fans keep crying about how dirty Florida is too 😂😂
Dude died and reincarnated without missing a shift lol
haha true, just needed the refs to make that call, that's what they were waiting for. And they get 5 mins for that... hahaha. Albeit, lowgrade actors, I mean they do get millions for their 60 minutes of performance...
Florida finally getting a taste of their own medicine.
Looked intentional to me. Rooting for the oilers but that doesnt deserve to be in the game at all from anyone.
"after collision". what?
May be after dirty knee hit?
Imagine if this had happened to an oiler and it was Mcdavid that took that elbow and had to leave the game! Haha
This is glorious. The saltiness is sooo delicious to me.
Cheap shots: pathetic.
Smell the fear.
i dont like that, florida guy was trying to avoid the hit and was already so outstretched that it made it look way worse than it was, from the first angle you can see it was clearly the florida players fault, he was almost doing a full on leg extension before taking the hit... not worthy of a 5
Bettman called that one in. What a fkn joke
hard, horrible. 1 game at least
Not a good way to get ejected from the game.
Please don’t judge me for what I say. Foegale is probably a dirty player anyways. And I don’t think the Oilers are happy about his actions that cost them game 2
Great acting on the Panthers team....Award winning performances.
Even if true, you can only do acting when given a convincing script. Oilers dirtiness in game two provided just that.
knee to knee is acting? Barkov hit to the head is acting? Is this Ray Charles talking?
Edmonton sealed their fate, they'll play dirty cause they are so outmatched. 1 goal in 2 games, they're not even worthy of being in the finals. Lucky that Vegas or Colorado didn't get them, they would be golfing right now.
@@SS-iv7wv Silly billy, look @1:48, it was Oilers knee on the PanZees thigh, and then the panzee's curl up like a BeeYotcha awaiting for an award..
They don’t miss that one lol
He deserved the penalty no doubt, but common he played it up too, laying on the ice looking up to see if he should get up or play it off a little longer. Totally deserved the penalty but let’s be real.
THE MOST DANGEROUS TYPE OF PLAY IN HOCKEY
Kinda like bennets
Nope: spearing and slew foot are worse
@@BramStoked-uq4hp this will end players careers. Get real dude
@@BramStoked-uq4hp only actual hockey players who play know
@@agent.0069 OK ringette guy.
It is pretty clear that NHL has decided Florida should win this year. Gretzky said it before the finals began! Florida winning this would be great for the sport of hockey (viewership).
That's just Canadian way to play
Coming from the team of PanZee's who's known for being a dirty team... RIGHHTTT...
Quit the soccer player there. Really sold that utterly accidental contact....and after drawing a 5min maj and game misconduct came back to play the next shift. The only difference between this and the hit on Bouchard was Bouchard got up and kept playing.
This is a 4 game, series. It's like an NHL team playing an OHL team.
Any florida fan upset is obviously new to the season, panthers have gotten away with FAR worse all playoff long. The fact this was an ejection, yea bettman is trying to create a fan base that will not exist in the regular season for the panthers.
Edmonton….an outpost of disappointment
What a dirty pos going after someone that already had a broken leg. He should be out 50 games.
4 game sweep
Yet assh8le Bennett hit Bouchard knee on knee. Where was that call?
Why don't you get Corey Perry or Kane to do the dirty work.
@@TheFizzyGee we should. And again where was the call for delay of game. Puck over glass. BS non calls
Bennett's was intentional (we all know what he is like), but Bouch wasn't "hurt" on it...Foegele stuck his leg out and kicked the puck and then they collided...so to me not intentional, but it did happen...Bennett 2 mins, Foegele 5 mins and a game misconduct...seems about right?
@@TripleR_Sings but like others are saying it shouldn’t matter if Bouchard was hurt or not, right. If Bouchard had laid there like the other player did then would Bennett deserve 5 mins and a game, even though Bouchard returns 5 mins later? If penalties are being called then let’s make it fair and consistent.
@@Swttng780 I hear you...as you know there is no consistency or fairness for some reason in the NHL...I think Bennett's was worse
He made a huge mistake
Draisaitl should be next
What great acting! It looks like the Fosbury Flop is back in style. Should NOT have been 5, MAYBE 2. What a faker.....
That was not a 5 minute major, it wasn't intentional and he was back a few minutes later anyway
I don’t think I saw Barkov on the ice after that hit by Leon
After Bennet tried to knee Bouchard . Good stuff. Let em play and the chips fall whete they may. Oilets gotta do.something against the most penalized dirtiest team in the league.
Bennett didn't just try...he full pledged nailed Bouch's knee raised off the ice with both of his knees...surprised Bouch didn't stay down for 10 minutes, oh wait no I'm not
Imagine Florida doing that to Mick David in Rogers Stadium, they'd be rioting outside and jumping the boards. It's Eetu so it's ok, if it was Drai or Mick D the world would come to an end.
idk I feel like they did the same thing to mcdavid later on, he just didn't fall as bad - reffing just needed to be more consistent but ultimately it was the turnovers not the penalties at the center of the oilers losing
Holy Christ, old bob staffer mentioned the oilers should be learning to take some dives and embellishments if they want to even out the playing field after seeing this I agree…….that was more of a collision I say. Now after 29 got a roughing for his elbow oil fans cannot talk but the officiating is terrible these playoffs all of us can agree, no consistency at all……..it’s the nhl for crying out loud people.
1:11 clearly shows deliberate knee shot.
That was a B.S. call
No it is not.
Флорида❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊😊
No reason at all to call that a 5 minute major. Foegele makes contact with this thigh pad, there was no knee on knee.
That panther player fake his injury
Evander Kane looks like he’s covered in oil.
OK, I’m not a fan of either team, but how the hell was that 5 minute major that was so soft that look like a a 4 minute penalty at least or hell maybe even 2 minutes
He’s not that kind of player, at all. Totally 💯 % unintentional. But yes a penalty.
Gee I wonder who these refs are cheering for
It was incidental. Foegle went in for a hit. Luo got the puck unfortunately then tried dodging the hit
Foegle extended his knee quite alot. Not saying it was intentional, but he lost his head.
Not sure whether that matters.
Doesn't matter. He extended the knee. It's a dirty hit all day.
Crap call..dude ducked and dodged into it . This from a Canucks fan too
@@2kidsnosleep good call. Foegle realised that he missed his hit so he extended his knee* fixed your comment for you.
Interesting to see how George Parros sentences Foegele.
He'll be out game 3, and in rare cases game 4. the precident/standard set by the NHL for kneeing suspensions, you usually get 1-3 games unless it's some sort of retaliatory hit. I'd say i'd be thankful that Luostarinen appears to be in good enough shape, but given a 3 point -8 line in 16 games i'd call it a blessing if he got 2 instead of 1.