24:30 This reply is a very Reddit comment. He is saying he is both too good for this game because it is so simple yet still fails at it because he is unable to master it. Even in most MMOs you make one character and build them up. You play them until you learn them inside out and only play others if you are bored. You dont just play Warrior, then rogue, then Mage until you get to endgame.
I really went through the first part of this podcast over the last few weeks. I was getting really stuck, reviewing my games, but just wasn't improving. It wasn't until I did what Curtis did, look at some high level Lillia play, that I realized that when I was reviewing my games completely wrong. I was really hyperfocusing on mistakes of things I did wrong, but not at all focusing on missed opportunities, or things that I didn't do. So when I did something I was doing it better, but I didn't realize I was just doing the wrong things in the first place or missing out on huge opportunities. When I finally watched a high level streamer I just saw how many opportunities I was missing. Incorporating these changes hasdrastically improved my games, and given me so much more to work on, whereas before I was truly feeling stuck and did not know what I was missing. Really excited for all the learning I can do now looking beyond my mistakes and spending time looking at my missed opportunities!
the extreme metaphors are always hilarious 😂 I love how Curtis just glances at the camera at first and patiently hears him out then just says You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about LOL
"Curtis and Nathan's Shenanigans" sounds like it would make a fantastic new segment. You guys can talk about whatever you want and make the craziest analogies, but it's okay because it's in your Shenanigans segment
As someone who played WoW at a fairly hardcore level (was in guilds that chased and got server first kills in TBC and WoTLK and have mythic raided in BFA and Shadowlands) I think the idea that raiding is in any way more complex or difficult than league of legends is completely laughable. Raiding in WoW takes time and dedication much more than anything else. The game play mechanics themselves required to kill a raid boss area generally pretty easy to execute, especially if the boss has already been "problem solved" and the strategy for how to kill it is known (i.e. anytime after world first). The hard part is the investment in time and preparation for the raid because those encounters are designed to be confronted by coordinated groups where every player is min/maxing their rotations and optimizing stats through consumables, enchants, gems, food buffs, etc. The actual raid itself isn't really all that challenging especially once everyone in your guild knows their role. Everything else is just stat checks, raid coordination and finding out your "weakest" link in the players who consistently fail to learn mechanics. That's not to say its not impressive when a DPS parses out a 99 on a boss kill or that hardcore raiding is "easy". There probably isn't an activity in gaming that requires more time and dedication than progression raiding, but you really can get by without being insanely skilled or analytical.
So I wanted to comment because what you mentioned in the video is The Exact reason I had to step away from the game and really think "Why do I play?" I won a game, as Ezrael jungle, decisively, but it was depressingly unfun. It was a horribly unsatisfying experience because of the team's mental. I enjoy team games and the banter that comes with it. However, I realized, even if I WIN, it's not fun. Losing isn't fun. So I stopped playing and will not play, again, until I deem the game fun as i realized the reason I been playing for the past 2 years is Addiction, not enjoyment.
Season 12 spammed mundo JG with frozen gauntlet peaking my elo in two different servers, creating a early game oppresive sticky monster able to chase down and force/win 1v1, 1v2s . rundown pretty much any ad/bruiser/tank/mage and climbing from low d to master with a perfected 3ish min fullclear ready to fight anywhere. got rank 1 on leagueofgraphs mundo player in the world ranking being the only mundo jg of tthe list (there were only top laners). season 13 they reworked frozen gauntlet to be build with sheen instead of bami. pretty much fked the strategy but no one can take away from me the pride of creating my own tech and trying it for hundreds of games till the point i mastered it despite my overall level as a player. teammates wondered why i would pick mundo jg then proceed to carry 1v9. i didnt intended at the beginning but then realising i had somethingi n my hands i had to perfection it. s12 /gauntlet mundo forever in my heart
for me the part with professor and mobalytics is it made me play a certain way cuz i wanted to keep a certain stats title up on my profile when playing the way to keep that stats up wasnt necessarily the most optimal way to match for that specific match and made me lose games just trying to keep a certain stat title up
When I was in china in 2015, I found out that on their servers, champions and skins costed a drastic amount more than they do in other servers. Thus, alot of people got 13 cheap champs, and like 3 others that were expensive.... as a result this kind of forced alot of people to be 1 tricks.
Back in about season 11 or 12 I started playing ranked. I go destroyed by a warwick with no items and from then on I started playing warwick and I innovated my own warwick tank build that then became meta.
Im so glad im not the only one that feels like my skill gets worse overtime when I play champs. I've had that happen twice with my two mains and it was kinda lame to not feel like I could do good anymore.
With WOW the high end hard fights all follow phases. You have to learn the fight and do things in the correct order, but everything is telegraphed. What makes it hard is having to coordinate with 20+ people, where only a couple of them have to screw up to make you lose the encounter. But you don't really have to be adaptable. LOL is the complete opposite. Sure you have more buttons to press, but you know what the correct order to press them in is in advance. And most of WOW is grinding for items so you have good enough stats to do the thing...
Love the podcast, but Elon Musk is a bad example of a genius. He is very good at marketing himself, his companies and his perceived intellect. Anyways, as always thanks for the great analysis, content and motivation. I especially loved the comparison to Go, as on a surface level, it is so simple. Much love from Germany!
Actually as a Samira if I have another strong diver I will sometimes play SS or su1cid3 Samira, I dive in right as the the diverse dies so I can eat the enemies major skills, I will probably be instantly blown u but then they are free ro carry the fight.
Playing more risky when behind might be the technically correct play as a top laner from a purely mechanical point of view, but you'll lose a ton of games because people will start flaming you and quitting or inting - at least in lower elo. It's much better to lose gracefully for that reason alone.
It also depends on the champion. Because a tank falling even a full item behind can still be more impactful in a teamfight then like a riven if it's playued well
1:40:21 yeah, guys. he has finally gotten over his meth addiction, and now he has been waiting for months for his question to be answered. get it together guys
Just had a game, me on sona with an aphelios. He managed to die two times before level six, to an Ezreal/MF lane. I was just laughing at the silliness of it.
As someone, who has been playing FPS, RPG and MOBA, i can say League isn't easy, especially compared to WoW. If anything it's WoW what is easy. I've been doing mythic raiding and keys aswell. WoW is nowhere near to League in terms of difficulty. I did not had to even learn months or years to be able to finish some random mythic raid or push some keys. Just few wipes and there it was... WoW is easy compared to League. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. Next level of delusion.
Obviously because I didn't roam from botlane as the ADC to save the toplaner from a gank while im farming XD Dang... Taking a break from League is literally self care. I can feel my blood boiling just thinking of touching League XD
Comparing doctors to chess grandmasters is really a terrible example. Theres hundreds of millions of doctors. Theres probably less than 300 chess grandmasters in the entire world
This is the summoner school poster again. I had another essay, but RUclips keeps deleting things, so this is the condensed version. You clearly did not look at my opgg very well, otherwise you'd see that I average less than 3 deaths per game, and I have a 4+ KD on every champ I play. You can cherrypick the last couple clashes where I was playing my worst role (I main mid, AD and supp, not jg by a long shot) but that's kind of not representing the truth. Try looking again, and tell me where I die 10+ times per game outside of clash. I bet I'd do fine in challenger, and I'd probably do better 'cause I could rely on my team to do more than throw the game and feed randomly. If there's a way to see my season 5 custom games, I will happily show you the game I played against Riot Rainslight (who was challenger at the time) and came out of lane extremely fed. Champs are shallow, League players are predictable because of that, and people are very easy to bait. As far as information goes, my map tells me where everyone is and what they're doing at all times -- even through fog of war. I can make educated guesses based on lane states and what objectives are up, whether they're likely to roam, and etc. and know where people are even if I can't see them. And please stop acting like it takes all of your attention to farm and pilot your champ, it doesn't.
If everything you have said in your posts about league is logical and correct, then you would have already been challenger years ago, and you would be able to quickly and easily get any account close to challenger very very fast. Like almost every single challenger player has been clearly and publicly able to do since the beginning of league and almost other game with an MMR based ranking system. You in fact have consistently been so very very far away from that, so something in your comments about league must not be correct and logical. Any ideas as to where?
@@jessebarnett4733 Well unfortunately it's a team game, and my most played role is the most team-reliant, doubly so since I enjoy enchanters, so. Show me someone solo queueing from actual low ELO (not smurf queue) to challenger on enchanters. My smurf, where I just played ADC, I got to plat 1 in less than 20 games (and skipped ranks the whole way, went from plat 3 to plat 1 in like two games and skipped all my promos up to that point), and had high enough MMR I was seeing the occasional masters player in my game (so upper diamond). My main's MMR is just too far gone with how many games I've played in low gold -- I'd have to maintain a 75% WR to get anywhere. Doesn't really matter if I personally do fine, 'cause weakest link loses and I have no control over who that is (other than it not being me more than very occasionally).
@@KononekoArt 80% winrate in gold elo is very achievable if you're not actually tarded. Pathetic really. Guys, i have low deaths on Yuumi who's untargetable 90% of the game! Nice one. No wonder you use reddit.
You are 100% right mate. I have no idea what's holding you back probably just luck. IMO if you keep playing 3000-5000 games per season for the next 10-20 years you're bound to hit the lottery and get challenger. It's all luck based 0 skill involved. It's just your troll teammates holding you back for 10 years but don't worry you'll get em just keep doing what you're doing.
45:03 (most depressing, life wrenching story of defeat imaginable)
Nathan: Love it 😊
2.6 bot. Idk what to do
24:30 This reply is a very Reddit comment. He is saying he is both too good for this game because it is so simple yet still fails at it because he is unable to master it.
Even in most MMOs you make one character and build them up. You play them until you learn them inside out and only play others if you are bored. You dont just play Warrior, then rogue, then Mage until you get to endgame.
The delusion in that comment is craaaazy
I really went through the first part of this podcast over the last few weeks. I was getting really stuck, reviewing my games, but just wasn't improving. It wasn't until I did what Curtis did, look at some high level Lillia play, that I realized that when I was reviewing my games completely wrong. I was really hyperfocusing on mistakes of things I did wrong, but not at all focusing on missed opportunities, or things that I didn't do. So when I did something I was doing it better, but I didn't realize I was just doing the wrong things in the first place or missing out on huge opportunities. When I finally watched a high level streamer I just saw how many opportunities I was missing. Incorporating these changes hasdrastically improved my games, and given me so much more to work on, whereas before I was truly feeling stuck and did not know what I was missing. Really excited for all the learning I can do now looking beyond my mistakes and spending time looking at my missed opportunities!
the extreme metaphors are always hilarious 😂
I love how Curtis just glances at the camera at first and patiently hears him out then just says You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about LOL
"Curtis and Nathan's Shenanigans" sounds like it would make a fantastic new segment. You guys can talk about whatever you want and make the craziest analogies, but it's okay because it's in your Shenanigans segment
As someone who played WoW at a fairly hardcore level (was in guilds that chased and got server first kills in TBC and WoTLK and have mythic raided in BFA and Shadowlands) I think the idea that raiding is in any way more complex or difficult than league of legends is completely laughable. Raiding in WoW takes time and dedication much more than anything else. The game play mechanics themselves required to kill a raid boss area generally pretty easy to execute, especially if the boss has already been "problem solved" and the strategy for how to kill it is known (i.e. anytime after world first). The hard part is the investment in time and preparation for the raid because those encounters are designed to be confronted by coordinated groups where every player is min/maxing their rotations and optimizing stats through consumables, enchants, gems, food buffs, etc. The actual raid itself isn't really all that challenging especially once everyone in your guild knows their role. Everything else is just stat checks, raid coordination and finding out your "weakest" link in the players who consistently fail to learn mechanics. That's not to say its not impressive when a DPS parses out a 99 on a boss kill or that hardcore raiding is "easy". There probably isn't an activity in gaming that requires more time and dedication than progression raiding, but you really can get by without being insanely skilled or analytical.
I agree when I heard that I was laughing. I think peak lol players can be more compared to chess than anything else
Hey where you guys talking about me in the intro Asol segment? :D
Yes!! Love your work - Curtis
My favorite day of the week! Thank you guys for one more episode!
Same, it always makes my day better, knowing today is new episod of BBC.
@@satoiify I miss the twice a week days lol
LOL the duoqueue question was one of the funniest moments of the podcast
So I wanted to comment because what you mentioned in the video is The Exact reason I had to step away from the game and really think
"Why do I play?"
I won a game, as Ezrael jungle, decisively, but it was depressingly unfun. It was a horribly unsatisfying experience because of the team's mental. I enjoy team games and the banter that comes with it.
However, I realized, even if I WIN, it's not fun. Losing isn't fun.
So I stopped playing and will not play, again, until I deem the game fun as i realized the reason I been playing for the past 2 years is Addiction, not enjoyment.
Season 12 spammed mundo JG with frozen gauntlet peaking my elo in two different servers, creating a early game oppresive sticky monster able to chase down and force/win 1v1, 1v2s . rundown pretty much any ad/bruiser/tank/mage and climbing from low d to master with a perfected 3ish min fullclear ready to fight anywhere. got rank 1 on leagueofgraphs mundo player in the world ranking being the only mundo jg of tthe list (there were only top laners). season 13 they reworked frozen gauntlet to be build with sheen instead of bami. pretty much fked the strategy but no one can take away from me the pride of creating my own tech and trying it for hundreds of games till the point i mastered it despite my overall level as a player. teammates wondered why i would pick mundo jg then proceed to carry 1v9. i didnt intended at the beginning but then realising i had somethingi n my hands i had to perfection it. s12 /gauntlet mundo forever in my heart
Cant wait to get through this one! thanks for all you guys do for the community
Big hugs to you guys from Paraguay!! Love the podcast
That really motivated me to watch Coach Curtis oldest videos. 😅
I give it a month before Senior Goldie Locks is bragging about how he was mentioned not once, but twice on the BBC.
for me the part with professor and mobalytics is it made me play a certain way cuz i wanted to keep a certain stats title up on my profile when playing the way to keep that stats up wasnt necessarily the most optimal way to match for that specific match and made me lose games just trying to keep a certain stat title up
Seems like Nathan has been watching a lot of Breaking Bad to talk about meth xD
That redditor only cares about being right in his eyes and not finding the truth or trying other perspectives
It's crazy that he bothered asking for help. I don't think he really wants help.
When I was in china in 2015, I found out that on their servers, champions and skins costed a drastic amount more than they do in other servers. Thus, alot of people got 13 cheap champs, and like 3 others that were expensive.... as a result this kind of forced alot of people to be 1 tricks.
Still the case. I play in CN now and everything costs more, so I play one champ more or less.
Back in about season 11 or 12 I started playing ranked. I go destroyed by a warwick with no items and from then on I started playing warwick and I innovated my own warwick tank build that then became meta.
"Because they're bad and I must 1x9", just kidding. Awesome episode!
I’m gonna need a how to make it thru mondays 101
Love the laughs lol. Catching up.
Im so glad im not the only one that feels like my skill gets worse overtime when I play champs. I've had that happen twice with my two mains and it was kinda lame to not feel like I could do good anymore.
Haha i was cracking up at the comparison of duoing to being a meth addict. Keep up the good content!
With WOW the high end hard fights all follow phases. You have to learn the fight and do things in the correct order, but everything is telegraphed. What makes it hard is having to coordinate with 20+ people, where only a couple of them have to screw up to make you lose the encounter. But you don't really have to be adaptable. LOL is the complete opposite. Sure you have more buttons to press, but you know what the correct order to press them in is in advance. And most of WOW is grinding for items so you have good enough stats to do the thing...
Love the podcast, but Elon Musk is a bad example of a genius. He is very good at marketing himself, his companies and his perceived intellect.
Anyways, as always thanks for the great analysis, content and motivation. I especially loved the comparison to Go, as on a surface level, it is so simple. Much love from Germany!
Actually as a Samira if I have another strong diver I will sometimes play SS or su1cid3 Samira, I dive in right as the the diverse dies so I can eat the enemies major skills, I will probably be instantly blown u but then they are free ro carry the fight.
Good podcast as always guys, nice
Baus is smart. He is a LoL economist really. No one else knows the LoL economy like he does.
Even if he has got a challenger account and then quickly dropped back to gold he would blame the game and other players for abusing something
Definitely don’t stay in your lane lads, I’m eagerly awaiting the next heroin addict analogy to my league ranked journey
great episode
Playing more risky when behind might be the technically correct play as a top laner from a purely mechanical point of view, but you'll lose a ton of games because people will start flaming you and quitting or inting - at least in lower elo. It's much better to lose gracefully for that reason alone.
It also depends on the champion. Because a tank falling even a full item behind can still be more impactful in a teamfight then like a riven if it's playued well
200 hecarim games too many Nathan? XD also great episode lads keep it up
1:40:21 yeah, guys. he has finally gotten over his meth addiction, and now he has been waiting for months for his question to be answered. get it together guys
Oooh first comment !
So happy :) Thank you for the good work guys, please keep going
Any good recommendations for top lane oriented content? I like these videos.
Check their episode 148
Coach Chippys. Top lane Curti 💪💪💪💪💪💪
Yes very good
have you seen "The Two Types of Gamers (Honers vs. Innovators)" from core A gaming? you might like it
Welcome everyone? Curtis forgot to address us formally again!!!
At 21 min, the word is catastrophizing. Lol
can you get coach cupcake on the podcast ? please i want a support episode like u did top
That redditor guy, (Tim), was really messing Curtis up!
Just had a game, me on sona with an aphelios. He managed to die two times before level six, to an Ezreal/MF lane. I was just laughing at the silliness of it.
As someone, who has been playing FPS, RPG and MOBA, i can say League isn't easy, especially compared to WoW. If anything it's WoW what is easy. I've been doing mythic raiding and keys aswell. WoW is nowhere near to League in terms of difficulty. I did not had to even learn months or years to be able to finish some random mythic raid or push some keys. Just few wipes and there it was... WoW is easy compared to League. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. Next level of delusion.
The guy that reached d4 after being hardstuck p4 in s13 seems like a typical inflated player .
If you need a break from league grind tft its funny seeing u get stuck in gold then plat and improving.
Obviously because I didn't roam from botlane as the ADC to save the toplaner from a gank while im farming XD
Dang... Taking a break from League is literally self care. I can feel my blood boiling just thinking of touching League XD
Comparing doctors to chess grandmasters is really a terrible example. Theres hundreds of millions of doctors. Theres probably less than 300 chess grandmasters in the entire world
Viewership has definitely went down since the neace drama videos.
Average views are the same if you look at it
This is the summoner school poster again. I had another essay, but RUclips keeps deleting things, so this is the condensed version.
You clearly did not look at my opgg very well, otherwise you'd see that I average less than 3 deaths per game, and I have a 4+ KD on every champ I play. You can cherrypick the last couple clashes where I was playing my worst role (I main mid, AD and supp, not jg by a long shot) but that's kind of not representing the truth. Try looking again, and tell me where I die 10+ times per game outside of clash.
I bet I'd do fine in challenger, and I'd probably do better 'cause I could rely on my team to do more than throw the game and feed randomly.
If there's a way to see my season 5 custom games, I will happily show you the game I played against Riot Rainslight (who was challenger at the time) and came out of lane extremely fed.
Champs are shallow, League players are predictable because of that, and people are very easy to bait. As far as information goes, my map tells me where everyone is and what they're doing at all times -- even through fog of war. I can make educated guesses based on lane states and what objectives are up, whether they're likely to roam, and etc. and know where people are even if I can't see them. And please stop acting like it takes all of your attention to farm and pilot your champ, it doesn't.
If everything you have said in your posts about league is logical and correct, then you would have already been challenger years ago, and you would be able to quickly and easily get any account close to challenger very very fast. Like almost every single challenger player has been clearly and publicly able to do since the beginning of league and almost other game with an MMR based ranking system.
You in fact have consistently been so very very far away from that, so something in your comments about league must not be correct and logical. Any ideas as to where?
Please let’s donate this guy a challenger acc so he can enlighten us with his incredible mind. We are not worthy.
@@jessebarnett4733 Well unfortunately it's a team game, and my most played role is the most team-reliant, doubly so since I enjoy enchanters, so. Show me someone solo queueing from actual low ELO (not smurf queue) to challenger on enchanters.
My smurf, where I just played ADC, I got to plat 1 in less than 20 games (and skipped ranks the whole way, went from plat 3 to plat 1 in like two games and skipped all my promos up to that point), and had high enough MMR I was seeing the occasional masters player in my game (so upper diamond). My main's MMR is just too far gone with how many games I've played in low gold -- I'd have to maintain a 75% WR to get anywhere. Doesn't really matter if I personally do fine, 'cause weakest link loses and I have no control over who that is (other than it not being me more than very occasionally).
@@KononekoArt 80% winrate in gold elo is very achievable if you're not actually tarded. Pathetic really. Guys, i have low deaths on Yuumi who's untargetable 90% of the game! Nice one. No wonder you use reddit.
You are 100% right mate. I have no idea what's holding you back probably just luck. IMO if you keep playing 3000-5000 games per season for the next 10-20 years you're bound to hit the lottery and get challenger. It's all luck based 0 skill involved. It's just your troll teammates holding you back for 10 years but don't worry you'll get em just keep doing what you're doing.