What's great about this podcast imo is that by fixing your relationship to the game its like a proxy to fixing your relationship with yourself. The tools you develop to climb are transferable to other aspects of dealing with life. Reminds me of "My life of Starcraft - Day[9] daily #100" - love that vid.
In my new process, I now stand still on the balcony in the cold winter between every game. It helps make peace with each game and be in a calm state of mind before each new game. I've found that so far I've been able to stay calm and focused on the game better since returning to league recently. I'm trying to stay focused on playing my best and learning.
I randomly came across this podcast in my feed and now it's actually my favorite. I love the honest approach and detailed analysis of the state of league. I need to stop looking at LP and just focusing on self-improvement.
When it comes to drafting and dodging the best advice I heard was from Adrian Riven. Its all about knowing your "impact points" in the given game. If they don't exist you aren't going to be able to impact the game at all and you might as well toss a coin. If they do you are already on your way to thinking about your wincon while still in champ select. Its less about easy or hard game vs. am I going to be able to make any meaningful decisions this game that I can learn from?
“A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” This quote always sticks with me when I am struggling with trying my hardest and still failing. It is painful, but the more you have to sacrifice the tougher and better person you will become.
I love that you included the graph meme. It's genius. BTW Curtis, I think the issues a little deeper. People don't want to GET better, they want to BE better. Just like ADHD, it's a result of the technology age, where people can pick up their phone and gain instant gratification in so many ways. Similar problem plagued Lost Ark...instead of getting better at the game, US players badgered Amazon until they nerfed the bosses and made the game easier...and now the game is basically dead. What I'm saying is...you have it half right. It's not that people "Don't want it", it's that they want the result without the journey. Same reason people stop going to the gym after 6 weeks.
That's 100% true. Speaking of myself, I was exactly like this. I didn't think I needed to improve and thought I was already better than everyone else in the game. When I lost I blamed it on matchmaking/champs/teammates/etc. (you know the usual stuff). To be fair I was young and very immature and didn't really know what the game was really about. I peaked at gold 1 back then and had like every other player in the elo a massive ego, for a long time. I didn't think I needed to improve, which as you can probably tell is a massive problem. Gladly I got myself away from the delusion and managed to break my toxic mindset. I replaced it with the self improvement mindset, which made me more obsessed with the game. Since I've adapted this mindset I get more joy from seeing my own mistakes, than actually winning games. Most of the time I still make very basic mistakes, which is why I'm still only plat but it doesn't really matter to me, since I know that it's my deserved elo. Sticking to the process and adapting the self improvement mindset, not only changed the way I see the game but also how I feel about the game. I can only recommend to everyone to try and do the same thing.
lmao thanks for the response it was pretty funny I think I got a few main takeaways from your response: 1) The point of a champ pool is to be able to answer things. I know I can play sion into fiora (learning how to do so is actually why I picked up fiora in the first place). 2) Counter-picking should only be done with champions that you have mastery on (old mains or used to be in pool) I think this also ties into the idea of simple vs complex champions that you talked about before. Malphite is particularly easy to play so it's less of a pool burden than chogath. 3) Pick with the whole game in mind not just the enemy laner. I don't do this enough, but I think if I did I would gravitate towards my pool because those are the champs I know how to midgame with
I got from mid emerald to mid masters because I saw a Chinese til tok about limit test on my main. I say in lane I like to take as many limit tests I can if my opponents are semi bad on their position. In midgame I try to see how much whack BS play I can form on a duel. Like try to overcommit on a combo or an engage. You got some room to grow use it. And sticking to the general safe framework of the game. Doing this makes me better without to much game loosing alot stuff going on. In 4 months I got a firmer grasp of what my main can do. Try to overdo free plays and get good at it. Then with your added knowlegde. Doing riskier plays become easier and before you know it you can make advanced stuff look normal.
Holding on to past ranks is really dangerous... been borderline about to fall into that rabbit hole. I guess the best way to summarise why it's so bad to have that mentality ("I was x rank in the past") is that it leads to you either consciously or unconsciously thinking along the lines: "I was x rank before therefore it's not my fault we're loosing because i am better than this players". And at the end of the day, even if let's say you didn't get worse at the game and you just need to play more games (unlikely), all the time put into climbing back to your previous rank, it's wasted from an improvement point of view because you're not looking for mistakes until you "reach your rank". The likelihood that anyone plays perfectly (AKA: Rank 1 challenger tier of play, so good there's nothing to improve) and is struggling to climb is flat 0.
Hey Curtis/Nathan, thank you so much for making this series. I have been starting to listen to this podcast recently after becoming frustrated with my difficulty climbing lately. From season 7 to season 10 I got to low diamond mostly 1 tricking zed and then took a few season break. Coming back I have been trying to climb and been largely stuck in mid plat and have a hard time choosing a path forward. I love playing zed but I feel like there are just far too many games where I am just ‘along for the ride’ and the best thing I can do vs the enemy comp is maintain high farm and manage side lanes. This is usually a pretty tanky enemy comp combined with a lane that is hard to punish/snowball. I have always seconded malz and have been trying to add anivia to my pool instead of maining zed for this reason, but I’m not sure their play styles really match mine and I have had many games lately where I lose with scorelines like 6/2/2, 7/1/9. Maybe I don’t know how to best utilize a lead on these champions, verses when I get a big lead on zed I can almost always close games out. I’m not really sure the point of this comment I think I’m just trying to express my frustration trying to decide between a champ/play style I feel I enjoy more but cannot seem to achieve consistency with this season or a playstyle I enjoy less/am probably worse at but I at least feel like the majority of games I have a much larger impact on
3:40 i played a 3 block yesterday, support twice, a role i just recently went to as secondary. similiar experience where the games were super unwinnable and extremly frustrating and i immediatly went 'well maybe support isnt the right role for me. 70% of my games i get support and then the people are terrible and i play enchanters'. meanwhile whenever i get mid there is dodges further giving me less chance to play on main role. i dont even know if i should play a block today because im still so emotionally investment into my 2 support games from yesterday >_
I’m a Vladimir otp and I feel like your analysis hit the nail on the head and you were saying exactly what I’m thinking in the back of my mind. Although I just got to plat4 with Vlad I still don’t feel like I really achieved it and Vlad’s playstyle still feels weird and unreliable to me. What proves this for me is when I go on a smurf silver account, I know I could get that account to plat4 but I feel like I still don’t have strong control over games due to the unreliable scaling playstyle. I’m honestly not sure what to do at this point. I just got plat4 because like you said, I just wanted my ex rank.
If you're a Vlad otp and his playstyle feels weird and unreliable, maybe it's not your champ. Have you maybe tried playing other mages in the midlane that have a similar playstyle to Vlad or even a different one? Maybe it'll feel better. If you hit plat then you have atleast some basics down and know how to lane to some extent. So trying out a different champ on your silver smurf and then going on your main, could be worth a try.
I think the client actually spelled out the answer to the limit test question pretty clearly. Limit testing is the last question you get to ask after you check all the other boxes. If the question is "Can I 1v1 vayne?" and the answer is "I die to the support roam" then its very hard to learn the answer to the actual question. If the answer is "I would have won if she didn't have flash" then its much easier to apply that to the next game. You now can just ask yourself does she have flash? If yes, then don't int. If no, its a free kill. The ambiguity is removed.
If i may ask guys, when is the next opening for MLA? Does it open up when somebody leaves the program, or are there set openings one can join in on, and if so, when would those be?
I don't think he has "proven" himself, since he did what they told him to do (stick to a few champs). He insulted them and their podcast for no reason at all, he doesn't deserve any more attention.
I don't like Neace tbqh, but these guys are pretty pretentious about League, and he kinda has the opposite mindset of these guys. So Neace being Korean Masters (which is pretty close to OCE low Challenger) is interesting to see, because he climbed despite doing a lot of things Curtis and Nathan said he should not.
I think when people say 'basic mistake' they mean it was something they did something that they should've known better than. It's dangerous though, because when they go into the review they see the mistake and think 'oh I already know that was wrong' and so they don't pay much attention to it. But obviously that means they're dismissing it and will probably repeat it
3:17 Not as much as for ADC players. As a support you at least could've tried to make something happen, to land a hook, poke opponents a bit or roam somewhere. As an adc you just got your first item so you could start farming more efficiently for the second. Especially if you're playing low range adc into a higher range one. That's why adcs tend to have the most fragile mentals in LoL. Most mentally taxing role exactly for the reason Curtis described.
10:00 i don't blame person quitting solo que. Peak master 168 lp. Found that from d4 to masters there's about 3/10 players who are smurfs. Investigate the accounts, and you will see they boost people(20 of recent played games on Smurf account are duo with some ten different support accounts). Solo que is not balanced and will never be balanced. Streamer is doing 100 unranked to challenger. People say you learn from playing with better players, but they are so wrong. Tf blade shit on my toplaner and threaten my inhib tower 17min in the game. I did not learn anything from that game while playing mid. I hope riot gets nuked (ingame).😅 Unless you want to make money or make a job out of league. Don't buy coaching. Just my opinion.
Hey guys, I know you have moved away from catering to mainly higher elo players but could you try to incorporate some topics specific to the D1-GM range for all your higher elo viewers every other episode?
Big thanks to Mick for the Curtis Clips Corner jingle! - Nathan
Congrats to Curtis for reaching top 5, this is huge!
Damn that 20 sec Bard Ult at the start
Low budget podcast - Nathan
HAAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA
another free episode of the best league content out there. Thanks for helping so many of us improve our relationship with the game.
Hey! That was my clip! Thanks for the second review
Just hit gold 4 for the first time in mid. Coach curtis you've been alot of help
What's great about this podcast imo is that by fixing your relationship to the game its like a proxy to fixing your relationship with yourself. The tools you develop to climb are transferable to other aspects of dealing with life. Reminds me of "My life of Starcraft - Day[9] daily #100" - love that vid.
In my new process, I now stand still on the balcony in the cold winter between every game. It helps make peace with each game and be in a calm state of mind before each new game. I've found that so far I've been able to stay calm and focused on the game better since returning to league recently. I'm trying to stay focused on playing my best and learning.
I'm really loving the clip corner.
Really good idea.
LOL love the guitar riff taking us into Curtis’s Clip Corner
I randomly came across this podcast in my feed and now it's actually my favorite. I love the honest approach and detailed analysis of the state of league. I need to stop looking at LP and just focusing on self-improvement.
When it comes to drafting and dodging the best advice I heard was from Adrian Riven.
Its all about knowing your "impact points" in the given game. If they don't exist you aren't going to be able to impact the game at all and you might as well toss a coin. If they do you are already on your way to thinking about your wincon while still in champ select.
Its less about easy or hard game vs. am I going to be able to make any meaningful decisions this game that I can learn from?
Great clip to show how to contest dragon! Sometimes we do things but dont recall excatly why we do em, great reminder!
“A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.”
This quote always sticks with me when I am struggling with trying my hardest and still failing. It is painful, but the more you have to sacrifice the tougher and better person you will become.
I love that you included the graph meme. It's genius.
BTW Curtis, I think the issues a little deeper. People don't want to GET better, they want to BE better. Just like ADHD, it's a result of the technology age, where people can pick up their phone and gain instant gratification in so many ways. Similar problem plagued Lost Ark...instead of getting better at the game, US players badgered Amazon until they nerfed the bosses and made the game easier...and now the game is basically dead.
What I'm saying is...you have it half right. It's not that people "Don't want it", it's that they want the result without the journey. Same reason people stop going to the gym after 6 weeks.
That's 100% true. Speaking of myself, I was exactly like this. I didn't think I needed to improve and thought I was already better than everyone else in the game. When I lost I blamed it on matchmaking/champs/teammates/etc. (you know the usual stuff). To be fair I was young and very immature and didn't really know what the game was really about. I peaked at gold 1 back then and had like every other player in the elo a massive ego, for a long time. I didn't think I needed to improve, which as you can probably tell is a massive problem. Gladly I got myself away from the delusion and managed to break my toxic mindset. I replaced it with the self improvement mindset, which made me more obsessed with the game. Since I've adapted this mindset I get more joy from seeing my own mistakes, than actually winning games. Most of the time I still make very basic mistakes, which is why I'm still only plat but it doesn't really matter to me, since I know that it's my deserved elo. Sticking to the process and adapting the self improvement mindset, not only changed the way I see the game but also how I feel about the game. I can only recommend to everyone to try and do the same thing.
lmao thanks for the response it was pretty funny
I think I got a few main takeaways from your response:
1) The point of a champ pool is to be able to answer things. I know I can play sion into fiora (learning how to do so is actually why I picked up fiora in the first place).
2) Counter-picking should only be done with champions that you have mastery on (old mains or used to be in pool)
I think this also ties into the idea of simple vs complex champions that you talked about before. Malphite is particularly easy to play so it's less of a pool burden than chogath.
3) Pick with the whole game in mind not just the enemy laner. I don't do this enough, but I think if I did I would gravitate towards my pool because those are the champs I know how to midgame with
Another week, another banger in my FEEED
LETS GO BABY NEW BBC!
I got from mid emerald to mid masters because I saw a Chinese til tok about limit test on my main. I say in lane I like to take as many limit tests I can if my opponents are semi bad on their position. In midgame I try to see how much whack BS play I can form on a duel. Like try to overcommit on a combo or an engage. You got some room to grow use it. And sticking to the general safe framework of the game. Doing this makes me better without to much game loosing alot stuff going on. In 4 months I got a firmer grasp of what my main can do. Try to overdo free plays and get good at it. Then with your added knowlegde. Doing riskier plays become easier and before you know it you can make advanced stuff look normal.
ive been saying this for years "My talent is working twice as hard as everyone else."
You heard it here first boys, don’t shift your champ pool or you’ll fall into hard drugs!
This podcast is hard drugs to me lmao
I can't do anything the next 1.5h after you guys drop an episode. I'm fine with that though.
very impressive to be able to be completely still for so long! OCE RULES!
Holding on to past ranks is really dangerous... been borderline about to fall into that rabbit hole. I guess the best way to summarise why it's so bad to have that mentality ("I was x rank in the past") is that it leads to you either consciously or unconsciously thinking along the lines: "I was x rank before therefore it's not my fault we're loosing because i am better than this players". And at the end of the day, even if let's say you didn't get worse at the game and you just need to play more games (unlikely), all the time put into climbing back to your previous rank, it's wasted from an improvement point of view because you're not looking for mistakes until you "reach your rank". The likelihood that anyone plays perfectly (AKA: Rank 1 challenger tier of play, so good there's nothing to improve) and is struggling to climb is flat 0.
Hey Curtis/Nathan, thank you so much for making this series. I have been starting to listen to this podcast recently after becoming frustrated with my difficulty climbing lately. From season 7 to season 10 I got to low diamond mostly 1 tricking zed and then took a few season break. Coming back I have been trying to climb and been largely stuck in mid plat and have a hard time choosing a path forward. I love playing zed but I feel like there are just far too many games where I am just ‘along for the ride’ and the best thing I can do vs the enemy comp is maintain high farm and manage side lanes. This is usually a pretty tanky enemy comp combined with a lane that is hard to punish/snowball. I have always seconded malz and have been trying to add anivia to my pool instead of maining zed for this reason, but I’m not sure their play styles really match mine and I have had many games lately where I lose with scorelines like 6/2/2, 7/1/9. Maybe I don’t know how to best utilize a lead on these champions, verses when I get a big lead on zed I can almost always close games out.
I’m not really sure the point of this comment I think I’m just trying to express my frustration trying to decide between a champ/play style I feel I enjoy more but cannot seem to achieve consistency with this season or a playstyle I enjoy less/am probably worse at but I at least feel like the majority of games I have a much larger impact on
3:40 i played a 3 block yesterday, support twice, a role i just recently went to as secondary. similiar experience where the games were super unwinnable and extremly frustrating and i immediatly went 'well maybe support isnt the right role for me. 70% of my games i get support and then the people are terrible and i play enchanters'. meanwhile whenever i get mid there is dodges further giving me less chance to play on main role. i dont even know if i should play a block today because im still so emotionally investment into my 2 support games from yesterday >_
1:04:40 hope we can get an edit there since that is spoiling meru?
Damn charlie the thumbnail should have been tony montana's head swapped with Nathan's
Not chilling, it is about playing relaxed with focus.
awesome episode guys! love the Curtis' clips coooorner 🤗
I’m a Vladimir otp and I feel like your analysis hit the nail on the head and you were saying exactly what I’m thinking in the back of my mind. Although I just got to plat4 with Vlad I still don’t feel like I really achieved it and Vlad’s playstyle still feels weird and unreliable to me. What proves this for me is when I go on a smurf silver account, I know I could get that account to plat4 but I feel like I still don’t have strong control over games due to the unreliable scaling playstyle. I’m honestly not sure what to do at this point. I just got plat4 because like you said, I just wanted my ex rank.
If you're a Vlad otp and his playstyle feels weird and unreliable, maybe it's not your champ. Have you maybe tried playing other mages in the midlane that have a similar playstyle to Vlad or even a different one? Maybe it'll feel better. If you hit plat then you have atleast some basics down and know how to lane to some extent. So trying out a different champ on your silver smurf and then going on your main, could be worth a try.
I think the client actually spelled out the answer to the limit test question pretty clearly.
Limit testing is the last question you get to ask after you check all the other boxes.
If the question is "Can I 1v1 vayne?" and the answer is "I die to the support roam" then its very hard to learn the answer to the actual question.
If the answer is "I would have won if she didn't have flash" then its much easier to apply that to the next game.
You now can just ask yourself does she have flash? If yes, then don't int. If no, its a free kill. The ambiguity is removed.
If i may ask guys, when is the next opening for MLA? Does it open up when somebody leaves the program, or are there set openings one can join in on, and if so, when would those be?
I hold opening roughly once a month. So stay tuned, next one is relatively soon :)
Hey guys, will you do a podcast addressing Neace's climb to KR Master? I'd love to hear your thoughts now that he's proven himself
I don't think he has "proven" himself, since he did what they told him to do (stick to a few champs). He insulted them and their podcast for no reason at all, he doesn't deserve any more attention.
I don't like Neace tbqh, but these guys are pretty pretentious about League, and he kinda has the opposite mindset of these guys. So Neace being Korean Masters (which is pretty close to OCE low Challenger) is interesting to see, because he climbed despite doing a lot of things Curtis and Nathan said he should not.
Yea the new thumbnail i think works better
47:25 true! My junglers and supports
Coach Curtis and Cupcake both top 10... Nathan, you better get moving :) ... Try new pants, it worked for Curtis
Great show great episode lads.
I think when people say 'basic mistake' they mean it was something they did something that they should've known better than. It's dangerous though, because when they go into the review they see the mistake and think 'oh I already know that was wrong' and so they don't pay much attention to it. But obviously that means they're dismissing it and will probably repeat it
3:17 Not as much as for ADC players. As a support you at least could've tried to make something happen, to land a hook, poke opponents a bit or roam somewhere. As an adc you just got your first item so you could start farming more efficiently for the second. Especially if you're playing low range adc into a higher range one. That's why adcs tend to have the most fragile mentals in LoL. Most mentally taxing role exactly for the reason Curtis described.
Nathan are you making a J4 guide? That would be great - betting on you to get rank 20 again, you are OP dude.
Hey coach!! I love you b, please take care of the best silver player in the world
Havnt blindly believed in something this hard since cryptozoo! Hopefully this one works out better! 😂😂😂
normal games have mmr so itll keep getting harder
iv played for 13 yeaRS and i still die to intermediate bots
What's up bbcers
10:00 i don't blame person quitting solo que.
Peak master 168 lp. Found that from d4 to masters there's about 3/10 players who are smurfs. Investigate the accounts, and you will see they boost people(20 of recent played games on Smurf account are duo with some ten different support accounts). Solo que is not balanced and will never be balanced. Streamer is doing 100 unranked to challenger.
People say you learn from playing with better players, but they are so wrong. Tf blade shit on my toplaner and threaten my inhib tower 17min in the game. I did not learn anything from that game while playing mid. I hope riot gets nuked (ingame).😅
Unless you want to make money or make a job out of league. Don't buy coaching. Just my opinion.
Can you comment on Neace reaching Master 200LP+ please?
good for him
Woah congrats on rank 5. Too bad this doesn't matter cause of the server (According to a certain "very good coach")
Yea but he is master in KR now so it doesn't matter that he lies, decieves, make burner accounts, shit talks and generally behaves like a 5 year old.
Hey guys, I know you have moved away from catering to mainly higher elo players but could you try to incorporate some topics specific to the D1-GM range for all your higher elo viewers every other episode?
i think the ones being delusinal are both of you