Different types of wheels on the bus go round and round
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Ever paid attention to the fact that there are several different kinds of wheels on the buses? Why do they look different? Is one better than the other?
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Hey, Aussie Truckie here, we still see these older rims often enough but they are slowly dieing out. Us Aussies call them Spider Rims or Suicide rims or widowmakers because they had a very dangerous reputation to run with, you had to be sure you knew they were seated and good to go or really trust the mechanic doing the work. To remove the wheel you take all those bolts off around the perimeter. These little clamps hold the rim onto the hub (the part with the spokes) which stays on the axle at all times. Rust gets in there and the clamps don't want to seat properly and can be a pain. Everything must be seated and torqued correctly or you can lose a wheel. Pulling the rims off from around those hubs can be a pain. Parts are going obsolete now so their costs for upkeep are going up. If you ever ruin a hub they can be a fortune for a replacement.
That explains why the rims (like I used to call them) on trucks changed! As a little kid I was already fascinated with busses and trucks and my imagination saw the wheel pattern like a face. LOL
School bus driver here! I always wondered why some of our wheels have more hand holes than others. The only school buses around here with aluminum wheels are owned by private contractors that also offer them for charters. Personally, I love the look of black Budd wheels on a school bus compared to aluminum. Also, don’t forget that many school buses usually do not have as forgiving of a suspension system as those found on motor coaches. Great video!
I'm just a rando who notices weird random things and this question has always been something that pops up, but I never remember to investigate. Thank you for coming across my feed (how, idk, but i'm glad)!
@@a_trauma_llama2991 lol 🤣 thank you for your kind words. RUclips works in mysterious ways haha.
I enjoyed the video. Lighter wheels are not only an advantage for the obvious reason; they reduce rotating mass which is even more important. For efficiency, for acceleration and for braking
I grew up seeing the 5 hole Budd wheels on MCIs still like them to this day
By the way, "Budd" wheels (stamped steel doolies) have been available since the 1930's. Being born in '72, I remember seeing Alcoa aluminum wheels on big rigs starting in the late 1970's. A few movies around that time (Smokey and the Bandit, Convoy) accelerated their popularity during the era where most truckers were independent operators. A Kenworth with an extended sleeper cab and Alcoa's was the truck back then!
@@brentboswell1294 oh interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. Appreciate the comment
I think I saw a MCI Resonance bus there. They were a big hit when they first came out. I was the first driver to test the prototype on a paying run. I drove this bus for one year before MCI took it back for more up grades. The passengers loved the spiral staircase, and many other new innovations, but the drivers complained about the steering on the back axle. It took a bit of getting used to. You could push a button on the dash panel and lock them up, and I always did that on slippery roads. Later on they came out with rear hydraulic steering and that seemed to clear up the problem. After 43 years I could tell lots of stories of all the different buses I drove in every type of weather and road condition. It was a great career, and I look back on it with nostalgia.
I would love to have lunch with you and hear your stories!
Can’t wait to see this video when it comes out.
Here in Finland steel wheels are the way to go for motorcoaches. Only if you want to go fancy or you would otherwise run out of payload (double deckers), alu wheels are used. Same for trucks, very few use alu wheels to get a bit more payload.
James, your knowledge is incredible. Peoria Charter is in excellent hands. Thank you for yet another amazing video.
Happy New years James. As usual I always enjoy your videos because always learn something. Keep them videos coming look forward to the next one
Happy new year to you too! Thanks for watching!
Great video and I've learned a lot. Ive been driving tractor trailers for 2 million miles and never understood all of that. Thank you for the information and please stay safe!
Thank you for sharing.
Hi James, thank you for another great video.
Further to what the Aussie Truckie wrote, with the suicide wheels one has to carefully tension the nuts on the studs. When not taking enough care an axial play will develop thus shortening the lifespan of the hub bearings.
As for a fleet, the correct method is to stick to one type only for logistics and ease of maintenance.
fun n informative
Those Dayton wheels were also more dangerous in flat repair with that split ring design, plus they would often get mounted unevenly. I never missed them when they started going away!
Not all dayton wheels are split rim.
We have trolley bus from 1920 that has solid rubber tires on wooden wheels that ran on gravel roads at Halton County Radial Railway museum
You also need the holes to access the valve stem of the inside tire. Great video. I always loved the looks of the old Dayton wheels.
Another awesome video, very informative
@@seantaft9281 thank you!
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And the holes sure make it easier to check and add air to the inner dually.
...Unless the tire guy doesn't line up the holes when putting the outer wheel on!
@@myofficegoes65 This is one argument for 10-hole, 10-lug aluminium wheels. You'll more easily line up the valve stems with an opposite hole.
Cool video with a lot of important technical information, i like a lot. Here in Chile and in other countries in South America, is common to decorate the urban buses and intercity buses with aluminum-chrome covers with a lot of variations of design, but in some transit companies have a rule that the buses must not have "chrome covers" so not all the urban buses are decorated with chrome covers. Here in South America exist two companies that do chrome covers for buses and trucks, those are Bepo and Fabbof, and the quality of their products is so good that they can last many many years with the correct care.
Quality bollard.. Thumbs up.
Good video. I wish you had touched on the additional safety of modern wheels vs the older split design.
Happy New Years James . Thanks 🙌🙌
@@Emirates_A380 thank you! Happy new year to you as well! GONG Xi FA CAI
Interesting video....thanks.........Happy Chinese New Year Mr. James Wang..............2025 is going to be a great year Peoria Charter.
love your channel! keep it up james!
Another great video, and it was nice to see an old Eagle, earning its keep !
Yes, I saw that Eagle as well. In my 43 years running long haul bus, I got to drive pretty well every bus made in North America, but I never got to drive an Eagle. I got a ride from our garage to the Depot in and Eagle just one time. They were a strange bus. They had no air ride, but rather torsion ride suspension. The tag wheel was mounted in front of the drive wheels. They had all mirrors forward, so the drivers seat was almost in the passenger isle. This was so the driver could see in the left mirror. They had the most radical curved windshield that I ever saw. It was sad when they went the way of the Dodo Bird.
@@SternDrive I was at the "dog" for just under 5 years, back in the '90's, out Of Denver, and never drove one either.
I do remember one that would make it out this way, in the summer.
I think it was 0707, out of Chicago .
@JesseHunley for the shoutout. I didn’t know you were a fan of this channel. Love the video outside the Mann Music Center Tripper???!😂
Went to school from 1st to 6th grade on a '72 Bluebird bus, Dodge chassis, with Dayton axles. 1977-1983. Same bus, same driver. Things that wouldn't happen today...oh, and sometime in there, our school district converted all the buses from gasoline to propane 😊
Thank you James for the informational video on one of the most important component of the buses!!!🚌
Happy Lunar New Year to you and your family! Good fortune in the Year of the Snake, may all your wishes come true❤
Lastly, just want to double check are the 22.5 x 8.25 aluminum/ steel wheel on fleetpride fits 315/80 R22.5 tires!
Bus Enthusthiast Here from The Philippines. First Time Watching Latest Video hehe
Welcome! I have a few drivers from the Philippines! We just had lunch together the other day to celebrate Chinese New year!
Thx James for the cool video. Keep them coming.
Hi 👋 James this video was Wheelie Interesting Thankyou ((🤭))..Happy🧧 new year 🐍 GodBless You & Yours 🇺🇦
I was on a trip from HND to CVG and I had to stop at ORD for a layover, I rented a car to grab some Chicago pizza, and I saw a Peoria Charter bus in a parking lot likely on lunch between trips. I was trying to see James was the driver. I was going to introduce myself, despite how awkward that could've potentially been. LOL. It wasn't. Didn't know if that driver (who I'm sure is/was a great driver)was a bus nut, or not.
I think that driver texted me that day and told me that a viewer of this channel said hi lol. I'm better that was you haha.
Oh I called those old Dayton wheels as "starfish wheels" due to it's odd shape
I have always called them spider rims.
Australian bus driver here at work we have buses with steel rims and alloy rims although the newer buses in the fleet mostly alloy Alcoa rims.
Thankyou for this video I always questioned the commercial wheels
0:24 that's our friend Jesse. He works for SEPTA here in Philly
Tell him I said hi!
That new jersey flxible is a beauty
Gong xi fatt chai to you James.
You didn’t mention why the tag axil wheel look different from the drive axil wheels. Great video, but I was waiting for that explanation too.
oh I actually made a video talking about that a while back. Here is the link ruclips.net/video/Zn6Hi6rofiY/видео.htmlfeature=shared
When I was young and dumb I had the honor of changing out split rim tires without a cage. I'm lucky nothing happened. Much older and a little wiser today.
Another very interesting video James, Gong Xi Fa Cai!!
Loved this video. The only suggestion is to make the background music volume a bit lower.
9:00 Many trucking companies mix the rims on the drives, aluminum on the outer, and steel on the inners.
Oh interesting. I guess that saves money
@jesse hunley You reach the top lol
He's about to be famous 😂
And you know his reaction will be SCOFF 😂
maybe a video on Motorcoach Interior Seat Patterns?!
Very informative video about something that often gets overlooked!
In the North American transit industry, most new transit buses these days come with 10-hole aluminum wheels, but there are definitely exceptions. In the NYC area, the MTA continues to use steel wheels on all buses to this day. They briefly switched to aluminum wheels in the mid-late 1990s, but found that the aluminum wheels could overheat and puncture the tires on hot summer days, so they switched back to steel wheels by 2000. Meanwhile, all of NYC's suburban transit agencies (Westchester Bee Line, Nassau NICE and NJ Transit use aluminum wheels. LA Metro has an even more fascinating story: they used steel wheels from at least the 1960s until circa 1995, then used aluminum wheels 1999-2010, switched back to steel in 2010-2018, then switched to aluminum once again in 2018.
I guess with urban transit applications, the choice between aluminum or steel wheels really depends on what the transit agency wants to stock/maintain, and there is no right or wrong answer. For example, since the MTA already owns and maintains tens of thousands of steel wheels, I doubt they would want to try to introduce aluminum to their inventory.
Another interesting thing is that in Europe, many buses (both transit and coach) have hubcaps over their wheels, similar to cars. This not only makes the bus look nicer, but also protects the wheels from road debris and makes them last longer. I don't know why these are almost nonexistent in North America. It is a trade off in terms of higher purchase cost and more materials, but it surely makes the bus look cool and could save on maintenance costs in the long term.
I noticed this in NYC as well (but I looked thru the comments to see if anyone else brought it up before commenting). I wasn't aware of the stated reason for going back to steel-- I concluded that the condition of NYC streets meant that the aluminum wheels just weren't holding up (I think you meant to say the _'aluminum'_ wheels were overheating the tires in summer). Still, for the time they did have them in use (mostly on diesel Orions, if I recall correctly) I used to joke that these were "sport buses". Westchester's Bee-Line are still using the aluminum ones (complete with an Alcoa sticker), though theirs are matte-finished rather than polished.
At some point James, you could do one on tires radial vs bias ply. That certainly would showcase the pros and cons of both types.
Everything I ever wanted to know about wheels and more.😅
@@cindywinkler2441 lol 🤣
11:06 the old Greyhound bus terminal in Philly RIP
White MCI D Series at 6:00 is either in Montreal or Quebec City.
I was under the impression the Dayton wheels were made obsolete simply due to safety reasons when changing tires out. Some people I know refer to them as widowmaker wheels.
@@tonkafiredepartment interesting. They are still legal from my understanding.
Id love to see a bus with carbon fiber wheels and carbon ceramic brakes
really went all in on the video title
Aluminium in the summer season, steel rims at the back with winter tires in the winter season, cause snow chains can do damage the rims. Every coach in our company has 2 sets of rims. 1 steel & 1 aluminium. For us the most cost effective.
Star Trek 🌌💚
Huh, I didn't know it was chinese new year. Steam usually has a sale, which is how I know.
Cool history
Well James, you’re going to get flooded with AI generated pictures of J4500’s with DAYTON wheels. Those are still neat but fewer advantages over disc type. Steel can look great as long as they keep them painted and clean. At least you can switch if you want. Many operators with aluminum do run steel on the inside duals. But because I like to be a contrarian curmudgeon, I don’t mind mixed steel and aluminum. Some operators probably figure the heck with it, who’s gonna care. But you have good point.
Always look forward to your videos James. Always interesting, informative, and entertaining.
leaned something new today
He answered every question one my have except one: -- on all the buses that have two rear axles, the most rearward axle has convex rims (like the front -- steering axle) but the more aft rear axle has concave rims. Why is that? Did anyone else notice this configuration?
The patterns I’ve noticed where I work.
At transit it’s nearly all steel wheels, except for the battery electric buses which for some reason can only have aluminum wheels. I was told by the mechanics that’s because they have disk brakes but idk 🤷♀️
At the charter company I used to work for its mostly aluminum wheels in newer 1998 + coaches, with older ex Greyhound D models from the early 90’s having steel wheels.
I’ve seen the occasional coach with mixed wheel types and yeah it’s odd.
I have a truck with steel wheels, they are the better choice in my opinion because they are so durable. If you maintain these too they shouldn't rust much.
I remember that one or two of the 1990s trucks from my fire department had aluminum wheels up front and steel wheels in the rear. I'm not sure why or if they were gotten as replacements. The newer ones are forged aluminum.
I have seen some fire trucks with just a single hole less than two inches in diameter on the front steel wheels for the valve stem. I can't imagine how hot the brakes were after arriving on scene. After an emergency call, and driving back to the station without lights and sirens, our rescue pumper with five hole steel wheels would produce a lot of steam from the brakes when we hosed down the wheels and wheel wells.
On new cab and chassis Ford Super Duties with forged aluminum 19.5 inch wheels, Ford puts a steel wheel on the inner dual rear wheels.😮
My dad had to get new 22.5 inch wheels for a commercial truck and I was shocked he didn't notice that they only had two holes in them. They are heavier, provide less cooling to the brakes, reduce fuel economy, cause slower acceleration, and increase braking distances. All of his other trucks over the years have had steel wheels with five holes.
da wheeels on da bus go round and round
At my old job we used lots of caster wheels on equipment cases. I remember when we updated from the 3 sided wheel to the 6 sided wheel! Now you tell me about this "round" thing? SMH
3:44 (runs out to swap yard mule wheels onto the bus)
I have seen some trailers with aluminum wheels on the outside, and steel wheels on the inside.
Nice Montreal footage and that bonehead trucker that takes it out on the trailer.
One might also call Dayton wheels and "dated" wheels ;P
@@anzakaleem7932 lol 🤣 Nice! I should have used that line haha
Mercedes Benz / Kässboher Setra 1st generation Integro, high floor/ motor coach with single blade doors (rear behind the rear tyre) Or the Den Oudsten 'Interliner' B95 on the DAF motorcoach chassis...
I've always wondered why some wheels have concave centers while others have convex.
You missed one big reason for holes in the wheel. For access to the valve stem for checking and airing up of tires. When I was driving truck, I cannot tell how many times I came across in-properly inflated tires because the wheel were clocked wrong so the valve stems were obstructed and you could not access the vale stem to check the tire pressure and to add air.
How come your coach doors swing outwards and not inside the door well
what’s with the hubodometer on most city buses? road tax?
Why are the wheels on the rear axles different from each other?
Hey James I got some bigs news the CUTA's Annual Conference and Transit Show is coming to Montréal. From November 2nd to 5th 2025 you should come there will be lots of transit fans and enthusiasts all over the city and country that are coming so I figured you would be interested in coming there will be lots of bus compilation that will be attending including Novabus, Prevost, MCI, New flyer and lots more other companies that will be attracted come check it out
Why are the front wheels a different orientation to the wheels in the back or middle on most buses and commercial trucks?
@@DSZI.ShyHunterBB ruclips.net/video/Zn6Hi6rofiY/видео.htmlsi=5kGAt-b0Z7k6cAlQ
@@DSZI.ShyHunterBB this video I made a while back will answer that question lol.
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Well, the question I've had about bus/coach wheels didn't get answered. Why are the wheels on one axle concave in design while the other axle has convex shaped wheels?
ruclips.net/video/Zn6Hi6rofiY/видео.htmlsi=5kGAt-b0Z7k6cAlQ
This video I made in the past should
They are the exact same wheel, but the steer and the tag are flipped. The drive wheel has the inner one convex, and the outer one concave. Hope that explains it. i drove 'em for 43 years!
@@MotorcoachWorld Thank you, James. You and your featured experts fully enlightened me. I agree with Captain Picard - that was definitely worth a hand to the head AND a groan.
One word Aluminium vs Alloy.
Not first model T.. you mean model A? But model an also was not first production car: first produced car was a Benz patent motorwagon. You could buy one for 600 imperial German marks.
The "Aluminum Wheels" are called Alcoa Wheels.
Alcoa are just one brand name that makes Aluminum wheels. Other brands include Accuride, DuraBright, Northstar, and others..
Hey James how are you doing, i have left few messages in your work email, on RUclips, but no answer from, i dont know why, i hope i'll ear from one day
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