C2 malrotation symptoms and treatment options when cervical instability is the cause
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
- Ross Hauser, MD discusses C2 Malrotation and the symptoms associated with it, as well as why we like adjustments, curve correction, and Prolotherapy to help restore spinal integrity and resolve symptoms.
Do you think your symptoms may be related to neck instability and want help from our team here in Fort Myers? We'd love to see you here as a patient! Contact us through www.caringmedical.com, call us at 239-308-4773, or email info@caringmedical.com.
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I am a neuroscience researcher in academia and I am learning soooooo much with this channel! The content is wonderful!!
This is what I've got! Love your work doc!
Always learn so much from you. Thank you for making these videos.💛
NUCCA neck adjustment combined with prolo. Also doctor hauser does full neck, unlike others that just do two little shot at base of head (that’s nothing). Seen major improvement in first two visits.
hey, are you getting your nucca adjusments in fort myers as well?
@@scooterthekidd no, back home different province/state. Almost all major cities have at least a couple Nucca chiro. But only do engough nucca to re-align c1 c2 and stabalize [6 weeks]. Then maybe a visit once a quarter. At fort myers i just get injections and curve correction review. Getting curve back is what is really helping with reducing symptoms of headache, eye pressure, tingling mouth. And the neck injections don't give me bad side effect symptoms as bad anymore.
Hey how r u doing now ?
don't forget structural spinal correction techniques. NUCCA alone will not stabilze the joint. you need to change the permanent structure of the cervical curve.
@@crackthathealsWho does that?
I’m impressed that you incorporate the chiropractic in the discussion
Great explanation! And very helpfull for unstanding this.
Doesn’t take an expert to realise this guy is the real deal. There is know one like this in the uk. I’m suffering I wish I could come to see you.
Absolutely fabulous many thanks 👍
Thank you for this video. I am 27 years old and have been suffering exponentially from untreated congenital muscular torticollis. I have been receiving botox injections for over a year due to a misdiagnosis of cervical dystonia. All of the symptoms from this condition are making life so difficult for me, I can barely take care of myself and son. my doctors are now recommending bilateral surgery on my short sternocleidomastoid. I definitely feel worse after my last Botox shot and after seeing this, it all makes a lot more sense and I’ll probably stop getting them.
Thanks for the video i get lots of the symptoms that you told us about on c2 it makes me feel really bad sometimes
I’m a DC, it’s cool to see an MD talk about these things.
Thanks for watching Edward!
I’m 3 prolo deep with Dr Hauser and seeing significant improvement.
Hello how r u doing now ????
Can you get an occipital nerve block the same day as a prolotherapy session?
Would you know if there’s doctors that specialize in these issues that also has the same treatments in so.California?
I have had luck with using Kinesio tape (body tape) that I ordered off of Amazon to tape my neck and it helps to hold me in. I have Instability in C0/1 and C2 malrotation. Hope this helps and God Bless You!
Where did you find taping technique for it? I have no access to diagnostics, but have been wondering about my neck...
@@floof5231 Hi There! I thought of taping on my own. I tape from the occiput in the back down along the side ending in the front on both sides, but you can try different techniques and let me know what you find if it works. I found out that the lighter tape worked better for me than the heavier tapes. An upper cervical chiropractor may be able to give us better ideas. Thank You!
Phenomenenal knowledge! I think I could have FINALLY found whats causing me a brainfog after so many years. From MRI I found out I have both loss of cervical curve and the rotation of the neck vertebrae!
Do you have a neck mri report you could share please
@@zakyvids6566 loss of cervical lordosis, leftside scoliosis, dehydrated intervertebral discs, wide-base bulging C5/C6 pressing on dural sac. Nothing on C1/C2 mentioned. But I mentioned the rotation to my physiotherapist and he says it is indeed rotated + its visible on the MRI image. And I know its not just random missrotation as I have it rotated left same way in 2 different MRI + CT scan from... 10 years ago.
@@stefannowak3655 SAME HERE. Multiple Odontoid view xrays, MRIs and CT scans throughout the years and C2 dens always to the side and no one has ever said a word until Dr. Hauser. Severe pain syndrome for over 30 years, C1/2 fusion and no help, still the same, just much more severe muscle spams now. May God Bless You Dr. Hauser and Dr. Hutcheson for the work that you do. I can't afford Dr. Hauser, but it is on my Wish List and in my prayers daily and nightly for him to train others to do what he does and make stability and life without extreme pain and debility a reality and available to many more people and not just the ones that can afford it. (I am ecstatic for anyone that can afford him and get help. I genuinely wish that Dr. Hauser could find a way to train others and figure out a way to make it much more accessible and affordable, insurance doesn't help you pay for this crucial and life saving care.) I pray this to Father God all of the time, Please do not let anything happen to Dr. Hauser and Please find a way for me and others to afford his care. True story.
I'm so happy you guys accepted me as a patient I feel like this video was made for me it's exactly what I have going on esp the part about feeling so much relief when adjusted but it could be days later or even as soon as the drive home after the adjustment that the stiffness and some other symptoms come back 😫
Same problem. Id get c1-c2 fixed. It felt nice first few days but issue is ligaments are stretched.
First prolo I didn’t see improvement much. Second I saw major. I’m coming to my third soon.
@@gary7181 Awesome I'm glad to hear that. How far apart are your treatments? Did you need the laughing gas or just numbing injections? I'm traveling from pretty far away. What were your symptoms? I don't have pain but I have neurological symptoms like dizziness, tremors, stiff trap and scm muscles, twitching, extreme weakness and fatigue, heart attack symptoms, etc.
@@gary7181 hi are you getting treated at caring medical ?
@@JacksonStar4757 hello , I have same symptoms like you , I'm planning to come from India. I have neurological symptoms like sound sensitivity , head heaviness , neck crepitation and twitching
@@Krishanapanchaal1 I had very bad sound, light and touch sensitivity but those symptoms of mine got significantly better after my C1 adjustments except touch sensitivity. I used to wear a lot of jewelry and I can barely wear any necklaces now it's like everything feels extremely heavy to me and if I keep them on I could get stiffness, twitching or feeling like I can't breathe and for months now I haven't been able to drive or lift/carry anything over a few pounds
I couldn't turn my head to the right for 10 years after being t boned on the left by a truck. I have all of these problems. Dr. Ross def knows what hes talking about. Slowly killing me. On a hike from the brain pressure I sprung a csf leak thru my nasal passage. I wont blood patch because that's the only relief I have from the pressure. I developed sunset vision in my right eye. I have the Mri of csf in my nose. My cns is a fried motherboard. I shaved the back of my head for a nevre block a found nevas simplex on my head. Im auto immune with mthfr and aqp4. I also have nevas flammeus mid back and lower back. Im 60 and never been dx with anything except for nervous system disorder, tortacollis, herniated discs c4/c6. Hypertrophy C7. My auto Immune just makes things more confusing. Oh ya I have hashimotos and Reverse lordosis.
Hi Dr.Hauser
I was diagnosed with a high yugular bulb.
I’ve been having dizziness, tinnitus, hearing loss and get numbness on the left side of my face.
I’ve been with many doctors and the only thing they say is that high yugular bulb is normal.
Do you think you can help me?
I have been chronically ill for 1 and half years. I only recently found out my c2 was malrotated. We got it back in, but it had moved out again. Is there any type of Dr or specialist you can advise that's in SOUTH AFRICA? Please! Your videos are literally the only the thing I can find on the internet that speaks of this!
Would you mind telling me how you were able to get it back in? I believe I’m going through the same thing
@@deecron1 hello 💜 I'm sorry you are experiencing this! I eventually got it back in and it has stayed!!!! It was months of physio mobilization on the vertabra pushing it back in place as well as a series of neck strengthening exercises that helped it stay in place. I am not sure if this aided in the process, but I also had a heat pack on my neck constantly (still do it). My fainting etc (48 symptoms) has now stopped and I'm well on my way to be fully recovered. Good luck on your journey, may your health improve drastically!
@@jadeakasha_movement_therapy Wow!! That is so amazing, I’m glad that you were able to treat that, it is no joke! But thank you so much for sharing and may you continue to be well, God bless 🫶🙏
I found a doctor on uTube that shows how to put 2 and 1 back in through stretching and movement, it has saved me several times and has been working for me until I can get into my UC Chiro - Liebscher and Bracht
@@juleegino2158 which doctor on RUclips ?
If the skull is sitting too low and back over the C1, is this due to tight/weak neck muscles? Or is this also a ligament issue? Can this be corrected with physiotherapy?
I have a question ❓ I was in a car accident December 30 2022 told me I broken c1and C2, been in a neck brace since now saying I need surgery? Really would appreciate some Advice! Already end of May 2023 😢😢
I have C5 to C7 problems but kinda wondering about this C2 problem 🤔 I have most of these symptoms to but do you have videos on C5C6C7 I'm seemingly not able to find them
So much information and exactly what I’ve been dealing with. Milder than many others but enough to keep me out of commission, barely functional and I need to lie flat several times a day. I’m 90% sure I want to try and be accepted as a patient at this clinic. I looked into and dealt with Dr Centenos clinic and do not get a good feeling about it.
Kristee - we would love to help you get to the root of your problem! Contact us directly, someone from our clinical team can get to know more about your case!
I was wondering and thinking about the development of methods. Would it be possible to use a person's healthy blood plasma for prolotherapy? Like a healthy parent? since I got the condition from my mom and her side. And my dad is completely healthy, he did have cancer about 16 yrs ago and a heart attack but otherwise he seems to be more healthy than us? Since I got 50 % of him would it be possible if they have the same bloodtype? Is there any research on this?
Is it possible that ligamentous laxity symptoms start at age of 23 , mostly in knee , and how the ligaments of knee is affected?, Pls Hope u reply
One more question can ligamentous laxity effect the person without family history related , and are ligmentous and hypermobility the same??
Thanks
my c2 is rotated to the right but i can't turn left over 75 degree, turning to right is perfect that is wired
Can it cause a burning throat feeling? I also feel like my eyes are vibrating and a pulsation in my nose area. Doctors have no answers.
What if you have a split atlas?
I have this. I’m in the UK. I don’t know who/where to go for the correct treatment. I’ve had many years of osteopathy which brings me great relief temporarily if the neck is treated correctly, but getting the right osteopath is hit & miss. I would prefer real treatment that lasts, however I’ve not found a British clinic that offers the same treatment.
Me to. Please let me know if you find or have found anything in the uk
I am completely crying because I hurt my neck and I had major head pressure and my disk is crooked and I been having major anxiety and panic attacks more then normal and everyone thought I was dramatic or crazy but I knew that something is off and I have headaches everyday my life has been hell the last couple months and I can’t afford a chiropractor but just knowing that everything I been feeling can be related to my neck makes me feel so much better that I’m not crazy 😢
Clarissa, we are so sorry you are experiencing these things but know that you are not alone and there is reason! We pray that you can find healing and know that the Lord has a plan!
I've been having tonic-clonic seizures gran-mal full-body convulsions while I'm asleep for three years it has crippled my career just receive disability at 37 I believe this is happening with me
Considering the amount of whiplash from accidents and football tackling I'm surprized there's not more doctor's interested in this. I went 40 times to appointments with blazing headaches and eye pressure, csf leak. No report on C1 C2... where the problem is. Completely ignored it. People laughed at me when I told them I drank salty water before my Mri but I fast walked around the building to get my leak going so(I) could see my csf leak myself (on my copy of the mri). It sure worked. I have some of the best brain and spine images . I was t-boned by a fuel truck and had to be extracted. It's not funny that doctors never find anything wrong. I could do a blood patch to seal the nasal leak but the pressure would just find another way out. I wouldn't do a spinal tap because I'm not a tire and I don't need my pressure checked and extra holes in my spine. Ive been going thru this for 25 years and have been managing it myself. I have reverse lordosis, herniated c 4/5, C7 joint hypertrophy. My blood thinner is garlic ..of coarse. I take no meds. I would def go to Caring Medical. Ive never had a nerve block injection and turned down the c4/c5 fusion because I know I have lost injury of Atlanto .
I have mild to moderate cervical instability and spondylosis, I've seen a few doctors and chiropractors, as well as had 5 Prolotherapy sessions so far.
Noticing a slight improvement, but I still get days of alot of dizziness, arm numbness/lethargy and pinching lethargy down my sciatic in my legs.
I am frustrated because I don't know what to do in regards to immobilizing my neck, or exercising and stretching it more, all my docs and chiropractors say different things.
I would really appreciate some help.
Also I am going in next week for a PRP session instead of the Prolotherapy.
Hi @petersonjesse75 - We are so sorry to hear that you aren't getting clear answers about your condition. We cannot recommend any treatment plans without first examining your case. It would be a good idea to ask about a neck brace (for immobilizing) and maybe start there. We are praying for your healing - God has a plan!
Appreciate the reply, and as a follow-up I had my PRP session as well as a DMX scan last month. The DMX showed too much movement going on with my Atlas and Axis vertebrae, which are banging into my vagus nerve quite a bit and my Alar ligaments being stretched loose and in bad shape. I suppose I could continue with more PRP or Prolotherapy injections, but I was also looking into a doctor in Colorado that does injections from the other direction through the mouth and back of the throat to get at the alar ligament more directly.
are you better? You can try EMTT for all ligaments way cheaper@@NeithDollhouse
Is c1 c2 cause pots like symptom
So how is this fixed!?!? 😢😭😭😭😭
Dr Hauser, I’m trying to teach my drs about this because I have increased intracranial pressure that they can’t figure out why and nobody sees this here, I’m waiting for an LP but if it’s in my head above the jugular and they go into lumbar spine, will this even identify the pressure above IJV in LP? Will this even take any pressure off my head??
Hi harmony331000- Thanks for sharing and sorry that your doctors have not been able to get to the root cause of the problem yet. We understand it can be very frustrating trying to get answers in these situations. We've seen patients here after they had an LP but it either only helped temporarily or not at all and they were still left with a lot of questions and few answers on their case. That's why they come to our office and we find answers by using dynamic scanning methods. If you would like our team to help you get to the bottom of it, we'd be happy to help you here in our center and you're welcome to reach out to us directly. Wishing you all the best in healing!
If you have a vertebrae malrotation that is fixed with upper cervical chiropractic and you hold the adjustment, then is that a sign that you don't have instability?
yes makes sense for me everything shifts everday and I have some severe instability in my upper neck.
Greetings Dr Hauser, due to circumstances i am not able to travel or pay for treatment.
Are there any exercises which can help correct spinal disc malrotation?
I am in dire need of relief as it has been 8 years since ive been like this.
We are so sorry to hear that you have been dealing with this for such a long time. Unfortunately, it would not be right for us to give exercises if we have not yet see and assessed you as we wouldn’t want to make the problem worse. We do have a lot of great resources on our website www.caringmedical.com/prolotherapy-news/cervical-myelopathy-cervical-degenerative-disc-disease-cervicovagopathy/amp/
We are praying for your healing and hope to see you in person in the future! God bless!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy I have recently gotten an x-ray done, but I don't trust anyone except you guys. Would it be possible for me to send my neck x-rays over.
I was told that it's a normal x-ray, however I can see some abnormalities.
Ooh, do you have the brand and model of the chair on hand by chance? Even if it’s out of my price range it can give me a baseline to work from finding one of my own. Otherwise I don’t know where to start. But between bypermobile joints and practically nonexistent proprioception, and being autistic and NEEDING to move to self regulate, I spent most of my elementary school years falling out of chairs and fighting till my desk was across the room. All “correct” posture stuff doesn’t seem to help. I just can’t comfortably sit in a regular chair. My legs always wanna be involved. I perch like a gargoyle a lot but it’s a little too high energy to do all the time so a kneeling chair where my legs get to be engaged looks perfect. I mean maybe it’ll work for me maybe it won’t. But if you have a lower budget one you’d recommend to someone on a fixed income who wants to try these that’s not so cheaply made it’s not really comparable to a middle of the road one, that’s be welcome too. Of course I’ll be hunting on my own since my desk chair is on its last legs, so to speak.
I have no doubt my c2 is a disaster area but a problem I’ve struggled with so much the more I age is furniture being built to lounge or relax on being the most uncomfortable stuff ever. And especially the past few years it feels like half the time my upper body and lower body are trying to go their separate ways. So I’ve been trying lots of different sitting, kneeling, squatting,etc positions to see what feels right and finally makes me stop feeling off balance and a kneeling chair like that looks like it matches up with the kind of stuff I’ve been intuitively trying to do for ages with furniture not built for it. My SI joints a mess too and I’m really eager to retrain my legs hips and core to work together with stuff like this.
Hi Haphazard Lark- Thanks for asking. The kneeling rocker in the video is the Varier Variable Balans- Monochrone Series. Wishing you all the best in healing!
I started using sacral blocks I ordered off of Amazon (they look like large door stops) and my UC Dr showed me how to use them for lower back and Sacro Iliac (SI) pain (SI is knife in buttocks pain)...mostly caused by a twisted pelvis...one hip is forward and the other one is backward, a chiropractor can tell you which is forward and which is backward. You place one sacral block under the top hip of the hip that's twisted backward and you place the other block under the opposite side buttock (this is the forward hip). Hope this helps. I've noticed that my upper cervical instability is a bit better from keeping my pelvis untwisted. I use the blocks before going to bed every nite.
This has been my problem for years. Always going to Chiropractic or having to do MET type Physio isometrics to unrotate it. But I'm thinking I need prolotherapy and/or PRP
Sometimes adjustments can be helpful, however if there is instability and loose joints, the pain will continue. We would love to get you in for a consult, you can contact us directly and someone from our office staff can get to know more about your case.
How is c2 malrotation corrected ?
Dang. I’ve got a couple rotated vertebrae. Was hoping maybe some strengthening exercises or something
Hi JP- Thanks for sharing. When cervical instability is the cause, then the treatment course would involve Prolotherapy to strengthen the ligament tissue that is allowing the excessive vertebral motion. Muscle strength/exercise is separate from ligaments (Exercise is for muscle tissue and Prolotherapy is for ligament tissue). Muscles would not make an unstable joint stable again if the undying problem is ligamentous, although exercise can be part of the overall "neck program" when someone needs curve correction. In our practice, those specific exercises are prescribed to patients depending on what was seen on their Digital motion x-ray and other scans as well as physical exam. Hope that helps explain the direction of the video a little more. Wish you all the best in health!
Interesting timing. Maybe this is me. Can you feel this bone from the front of the neck?
No, that would be a misaligned hyoid probably or thyroid/tracheal cartilages. They're significantly further ahead of where the neck vertebrae are by a few inches.
@@trebmaster thanks, it's actually front/side. Like under the ear/jaw area.
Good sir, is there a way I could get a consultation from you? I live in Michigan, but I could even share pics of my x-rays too. Thank you for your service and God bless you...
Yep he does them online. I did.
@@trebmaster GOOD TO KNOW, THX
@@trebmaster thank you kindly good sir...
do you do online consultations to Australia?
I have 8 leisions on my brain, constant neck, shoulder spasms swelling SCM hand tremors eye twitches brain fog, problems staying awake. I cant lay on my back without pain in the back of my head. and thats not all. I am at my wits end.
Can you tell CCI from regular still x-rays?
Patty sometimes, but usually need to do upright motion xrays.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy what to do if motion X-ray not available in our country I have more question where can I ask them Thankyou
@@zakyvids6566 They have 3 D Cone Beam CT available now...developed for dentists but they can see the upper cervical region wonderfully and is now being used by Upper Cervical Doctors and it is cheaper than DMX and MRI...an Upper Cervical Dr here in St Louis where I live has a machine, he only charges $350, (here it costs between $100 to $600 according to how many areas they image). This might be an alternative to a Digital Motion Xray (DMX) to get some kind of imaging to look inside if DMX is simply not available. Hope this helps and God Bless You! I know that the DMX shows the patient in movement...it takes thousands of single pictures like digital photographs while the patient is moving and bending and chains them together to make a video movie so that the Dr. can see how the ligaments and bones and joint are functioning.
After c2 right afjustment am not feling well what we do now plz help i feel vision problm fogines stifnes
@gurpreetsingh303 we are sorry to hear that you are not feeling well. Sometimes adjustments can make the issue bigger but we would love to help you get evaluated.
can this cause tmj? ive been suffering from 7 years not and evrything it goes from my neck, idk where to seek help i live in Croatia , evryone are so bad here
Cervical instabilty can cause a wide range of symptoms and TMJ pain is one of them. We have treated several individuals with TMJ issues.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy i wish u guys are near me, i assume this canot be done tru video call? do u have anyone to recomend in Croatia?
We cannot diagnosis without first doing exams and consult. We do have patients who travel from all over the globe but we understand that travel is not feasible for all. We can however recommend that you start with a google search and see if there is a provider near you who specializes in cervical instability that can get you in for an exam and consult.
Age 18 M:My neck got whiplashed while studying I felt asleep and hit the table 1 year back and i felt very dizzy for almost 5 months and it got ended and then comes to neck pain started after this episode having left arm weakness(Radiating till fingers)frequently and rarely right one and feeling pulsations( mainly in the abdomen and are clearly visible …and shoulder pain and The Major one is My arms aren’t equal like the right one is little lower than the left one plz help me with this and I think this might be a cervical misalignment (99% ) chances!
Oh no - we are so sorry to hear this! We would love to help you on your road to healing, please reach out to us directly and we can get to the root cause of your dizziness and neck pain.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy but I’m from India
We have patients who travel from all over the globe - if you find that travel is feasible for you, we would love to have you!
Yep all this- no one can identify or help
Which ligament fails to allow c2 malrotation?
I know that the Alar Ligaments attach at the C2 and they go up like a V and the Transverse Ligament that is holding the dens deep inside but Dr Hauser would know lots more. I hope that he answers back and would let us know if he can treat this with Prolotherapy and if this can be a separate issue from CCJ or AAI instability and/or how C2 malrotation affects it. MANY THANKS DR HAUSER!
@@juleegino2158 I’ve never seen him reply even once in 2 years of videos. I think we’ll be waiting a long time. 😂
Can you die from this!?!? 😢 I need this prolotherapy so bad! This is literally ruining my life 😢