Nick - thank you for creating this video! Derby-Matlock is a charming and enchanting line but I have long believed that closing the line between Matlock and Buxton was a disaster. Beeching had some doubts about closure but may have been over-ruled by Barbara Castle and Harold Wilson. A full re-opening of Matlock-Buxton was examined about twenty years ago but was turned down due to the leisure facilities of the Bakewell-Buxton trackbed. Perhaps a compromise would be restoring the line from Matlock to Bakewell, perhaps with Peak Rail's involvement, and then extending the 199 bus from Buxton down to Bakewell: Derby to Manchester Airport with just one change. Keep up the good work, Nick!
@@Guitar6ty Beeching was a chemical engineer. Marples, the Transport Secretary, was indeed a motorway builder. As Secretary of State for Transport, Marples had to dispose of his share interests: he told them to his wife. A few years later, he got into trouble with the tax authorities and only narrowly avoided being arrested, bundling some clothes into a suitcase and fleeing the country.
6:50 thats a trentbarton (local bus operator) thing, they name/give weird brand to almost all their routes - Jen has also been thoroughly confused by them
Crich may be on a hill, but you don't have to walk it. There are three bus routes that go past/very near it, the 140 (Matlock Station - Alfreton), the 141 (Matlock - Ripley via Matlock Station and Ambergate), and the 142 (Alfreton Station - Nether Heage via Belper Station)
Was in Cromford on Sunday for one of my travel vids. I'd used a Manchester wayfarer which gives you all of the rail network around Manchester and part of Derbyshire for £17 It also allows you use of certain bus companies. Which i'd used by going to Buxton via Bakewell then on to Cromford to go see Arkwrights Mill. Highly recommend using that ticket for a day out if you haven't already :)
2 interesting facts: 1. Matlock Bath in "old days" have a barrow crossing, without guard or lights, so trains need to slow down to 10MPH before crossing. When You cross - You can walk alongside disused platform into cable cars. Now is closed to public. 2. If You walk alongside canal from Whatstandwell to Cromford - there is nice surprise (I cannot tell because will be no surprise, You need to go and see) and also High Peak Juction - Home of steam powered cable railway (disused/dismantled). With, still standing, famous "pit trap" for broken cable runaway cars.
"When you're in Matlock Bath You don't need Sylvia Plath ...not while you've got Mrs Gibson's jam" 🎶 -Half Man Half Biscuit - "The light at the end of the tunnel (is the light of an oncoming train)". A much better musical connection to this line than the monobrow twins!
The "decimalisation" of the bus codes is due to the buses using the main code all taking the same basic route but having different slight deviations on the way, or one going a bit further than the other.
@@JasonCliftJones Or why not 61, 62, 63 like they were when they were given those numbers? at some point the decimal point crept in and TrentBarton managers get more than a little annoyed if you don't use it when speaking about a route. I have the 9.1 and 9.3 where I live, most people refer to them as 91, 92 (opps, the 92 finished about 15 years ago and never made it to being a 9.2) and the 93. It's just a TrentBarton thing, just like cancelling a bus if they haven't got the correct liveried bus available.
It's "What? Stand well, and your improved stature will mean fewer back problems when you get old *and* make you more attractive? Great advice, thanks!'
I support a football team that plays in the Northern Premier League, so we have an away day at Matlock Town every season (and we've had a couple at Belper Town in the past too). It's definitely one of my favourite away games of the season because it's such a nice area. Just one of the many joys of supporting a small football team, because I may never have travelled across the Derwent Valley Line otherwise.
I found myself driving via Belper a few times last year and the bonkers bus numbering system seriously stood out. I've since started to take an interest in bus numbering strategies. I grew up with a few local A B C postscript buses but they were rationalised away apart from N. Still see X(press) numbering in many places... but decimals🥴🤦?
I would love to go to Matlock. Such a beautiful town in Derbyshire. The EMR Class 170s are very nice and hopefully next year. The new Class 810 Aurora’s will be in service.
On reflection, I'm sure Matlock Heavy Shower would have been preferable to Matlock Bath - yes? My abiding memory of Matlock was that the youth hostel was at the top of a bloody great hill - and turned out to be full, on the occasion I went there - which meant a quick retreat for a bus to Bakewell...
Went up this line for the first time back in October on a Sunday afternoon out walking near Matlock, was very scenic especially with all of the autumn colours.
That line is the one where I saw the final train needed to have sighted all EMR trains (excluding connect), and so in a way, it is a fairly special line to me.
Hey Nick! Can I suggest, for your next point-to-point journey, traveling between Hammersmith, at the end of the Midland Railway Centre - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammersmith_railway_station and Hammersmith on the London Undergound? If that's too much hassle, maybe Hammersmith (District and Piccadilly) to Hammersmith (H+C and Circle) might be acceptable 😉
some ideas for point to point: hayes to harlington via hayes & harlingtion mill hill to mill hill broadway via mills hill hadfield to hatfield via hatfield & stainforth clapham to clapham junction (or clapham high st) dent to denton cross gates to new cross gate northumberland park (tyne and wear) to northumberland park (london) northampton to southampton westbury to norbury loughborough to loughborough junction
@@stephenmcculley7 busy A6 is not helping - if someone plan go there on any weekend/public holidays - is que traffic from Cromford/Matlock town and almost impossible to find a parking space. This same problems reminds me of Betws-Y-Coed in Wales.
If you ever chance - try and get a book BRANCH LINES INTO THE EIGHTIES BY H.I. QUAYLE & STANLEY C. JENKINS. It gives a real insight what that this and other lines were like in 1980. The picture is completely different to now. Most lines were dilapidated with DMUs on their last legs. Most had a real possibility of closing. The book obviously out of print but there are second hand copies available.
I have to say that Matlock in Derbyshire is very nice and pretty place. How comes that Matlock is the County Town of Derbyshire and Derby isn’t the County Town of Derbyshire. Same with other places including Buckingham that used to be the county town of Buckinghamshire but Aylesbury is now the county town of Buckinghamshire.
Done this line a few days ago to get to Matlock Saturday to then ride the Buxton TransPeak. Would have been funny if I saw you, I was on the 11am service out of Derby 😂
Great video! There’s one station I still need on this line; Matlock Bath! When I did Matlock I walked it from Cromford. I did Whatstandwell and Ambergate at a later date when I also did Belper. I ticked Duffield when I went to the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway so it left me with one omission. By the way, was the cable car working at the time of your visit?
Funny story actually, I was on a trip to the local critch tramway museum and on the way back, the rear axle broke, we were stranded and had to find the nearest place to park, that being whatstandawell station, me and my dad were stranded for about an hour till the first RAC van came, who couldn't take us (as it wasn't safe of course) so we had to wait for the flatbed, which didn't arrive untill about quarter past 7 which meant I didn't arrive in my house (just outside of Sheffield in Rotherham) untill about quarter to ten at night, in the meantime to keep myself occupied I stood on the railway bridge like the character out of Thomas the tank engine, and counted the length of the platform by size 7 shoe step About 8 trains passed in the meantime, one of which the driver left me with 3 tones during his departure, him and the other EMR staff member waved at me, bringing some light to the rather boring evening
I haven't been down this line yet despite having easy access almost every day for years and years... I really missed out as I want to see these station
I haven't lived in the UK for 9 years, and hearing that "See It Say It Sorted" still makes me shudder from the undisguised paranoia of it, I guess exposure makes you used to it.
Hi Nick, i've been watching your videos for a good year now and LOVE them. Oh my name is harry by the way. i'm 12 years old and i'm also a train nerd. I would love to do a video with you one day but i live in Budapest. I mean... we have cool trains and trams in budapest. anyway, have a lovely day and please, please, please reply... Harry
Hey, are you going to the Northumberland Line reopening on Sunday? Tickets are supposedly on sale from yesterday but the app broke and northern's twitter said to me they'll have it fixed tomorrow (wednesday).
yep it who's sin gull buy oasis some might say dun by Bryan cannon he did all their covers on first 3 album's buty of a station privetley own i belive its plaCE TO STAY WHITH BOOKING LAST I READ
An Enjoyable Video As Always & How About Moorgate To Moorfields As A Point To Point Or A Pointless Journey If Not Already Done Although I Can See That This Would Be A long Journey
Nick - thank you for creating this video! Derby-Matlock is a charming and enchanting line but I have long believed that closing the line between Matlock and Buxton was a disaster. Beeching had some doubts about closure but may have been over-ruled by Barbara Castle and Harold Wilson. A full re-opening of Matlock-Buxton was examined about twenty years ago but was turned down due to the leisure facilities of the Bakewell-Buxton trackbed. Perhaps a compromise would be restoring the line from Matlock to Bakewell, perhaps with Peak Rail's involvement, and then extending the 199 bus from Buxton down to Bakewell: Derby to Manchester Airport with just one change. Keep up the good work, Nick!
Beeching had interests in building the motorways.
@@Guitar6ty Beeching was a chemical engineer. Marples, the Transport Secretary, was indeed a motorway builder. As Secretary of State for Transport, Marples had to dispose of his share interests: he told them to his wife. A few years later, he got into trouble with the tax authorities and only narrowly avoided being arrested, bundling some clothes into a suitcase and fleeing the country.
6:50 thats a trentbarton (local bus operator) thing, they name/give weird brand to almost all their routes - Jen has also been thoroughly confused by them
Transdev do it too, it's what makes them stand out.
@@danieldabloxgamer9205 Either people call it the route number or the brand. I always call it the brand
Crich may be on a hill, but you don't have to walk it.
There are three bus routes that go past/very near it, the 140 (Matlock Station - Alfreton), the 141 (Matlock - Ripley via Matlock Station and Ambergate), and the 142 (Alfreton Station - Nether Heage via Belper Station)
Was in Cromford on Sunday for one of my travel vids. I'd used a Manchester wayfarer which gives you all of the rail network around Manchester and part of Derbyshire for £17
It also allows you use of certain bus companies. Which i'd used by going to Buxton via Bakewell then on to Cromford to go see Arkwrights Mill. Highly recommend using that ticket for a day out if you haven't already :)
2 interesting facts:
1. Matlock Bath in "old days" have a barrow crossing, without guard or lights, so trains need to slow down to 10MPH before crossing. When You cross - You can walk alongside disused platform into cable cars. Now is closed to public.
2. If You walk alongside canal from Whatstandwell to Cromford - there is nice surprise (I cannot tell because will be no surprise, You need to go and see) and also High Peak Juction - Home of steam powered cable railway (disused/dismantled). With, still standing, famous "pit trap" for broken cable runaway cars.
Love Will, he's so funny, would love to see more calabs with him please Nick
Don't worry, there's more to come from us both 😁
Matlock Bath is lovely, it's very much got a seaside vibe but about as far from the sea as you can get in the UK.
My grandfather was born there, in sight of Riber Castle.
the wills on the bus could be a good song? anyone with me lol?
Wheels*
n0, it’s not wheels it’s wills because will dosent like busses
@@thetrainguy4797 being funny with. it lol
"When you're in Matlock Bath
You don't need Sylvia Plath
...not while you've got Mrs Gibson's jam" 🎶
-Half Man Half Biscuit - "The light at the end of the tunnel (is the light of an oncoming train)".
A much better musical connection to this line than the monobrow twins!
Will always look so happy. This is a fun video to watch.
The "decimalisation" of the bus codes is due to the buses using the main code all taking the same basic route but having different slight deviations on the way, or one going a bit further than the other.
...so why can't they be the 6, 6A, 6B etc like everyone else does?
@@JasonCliftJones Or why not 61, 62, 63 like they were when they were given those numbers? at some point the decimal point crept in and TrentBarton managers get more than a little annoyed if you don't use it when speaking about a route. I have the 9.1 and 9.3 where I live, most people refer to them as 91, 92 (opps, the 92 finished about 15 years ago and never made it to being a 9.2) and the 93. It's just a TrentBarton thing, just like cancelling a bus if they haven't got the correct liveried bus available.
It's "What? Stand well, and your improved stature will mean fewer back problems when you get old *and* make you more attractive? Great advice, thanks!'
Will is always an enjoyable addition
I support a football team that plays in the Northern Premier League, so we have an away day at Matlock Town every season (and we've had a couple at Belper Town in the past too). It's definitely one of my favourite away games of the season because it's such a nice area. Just one of the many joys of supporting a small football team, because I may never have travelled across the Derwent Valley Line otherwise.
That yhumbnail reminds me of the stting inbetween nothweild and Ongar on the central stretch.
A station that looks familiar? "I said maybe..."
You could always in the holiday cottage on the disused platform at Cromford, we've stayed there twice, well worth it.
Excellent video Nick. I have been there many times lots of great scenery.
I found myself driving via Belper a few times last year and the bonkers bus numbering system seriously stood out. I've since started to take an interest in bus numbering strategies. I grew up with a few local A B C postscript buses but they were rationalised away apart from N. Still see X(press) numbering in many places... but decimals🥴🤦?
I would love to go to Matlock. Such a beautiful town in Derbyshire. The EMR Class 170s are very nice and hopefully next year. The new Class 810 Aurora’s will be in service.
On reflection, I'm sure Matlock Heavy Shower would have been preferable to Matlock Bath - yes? My abiding memory of Matlock was that the youth hostel was at the top of a bloody great hill - and turned out to be full, on the occasion I went there - which meant a quick retreat for a bus to Bakewell...
These stations look really nice!
Brilliant video Nick, I've been on the Derwent valley line as far as Matlock Bath, it's a nice line and has good scenery. :)
I love nick’s videos
Went up this line for the first time back in October on a Sunday afternoon out walking near Matlock, was very scenic especially with all of the autumn colours.
That line is the one where I saw the final train needed to have sighted all EMR trains (excluding connect), and so in a way, it is a fairly special line to me.
And I, another one of our trio, was there when it happened.
But you had seen 158783 in November 2023.
4:10 that's Cromford canal, it runs for a long way from Cromford to ambergate (I think) and I walk along it with my grandad on the weekends
Hey Nick! Can I suggest, for your next point-to-point journey, traveling between Hammersmith, at the end of the Midland Railway Centre - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammersmith_railway_station and Hammersmith on the London Undergound?
If that's too much hassle, maybe Hammersmith (District and Piccadilly) to Hammersmith (H+C and Circle) might be acceptable 😉
some ideas for point to point:
hayes to harlington via hayes & harlingtion
mill hill to mill hill broadway via mills hill
hadfield to hatfield via hatfield & stainforth
clapham to clapham junction (or clapham high st)
dent to denton
cross gates to new cross gate
northumberland park (tyne and wear) to northumberland park (london)
northampton to southampton
westbury to norbury
loughborough to loughborough junction
Will roleplaying as Palpatine at the end there \m/
Well, I did once walk to Crich museum from Whatstandwell station and it definitely is a steep hill to walk up!
Matlock Bath is known as the seaside town inland and given all the shops and the odd amusement arcade, it does have a seasidey feel.
And lot of car/motorcycle exaust fumes - not recommend if You looking fresh air ;)
@@stanley3647 That is the downside of the place. Very popular with the Motorbiking community.
@@stephenmcculley7 busy A6 is not helping - if someone plan go there on any weekend/public holidays - is que traffic from Cromford/Matlock town and almost impossible to find a parking space.
This same problems reminds me of Betws-Y-Coed in Wales.
The building on the opposite platform at Cromford is, I believe, in operation as a holiday let.
If you ever chance - try and get a book BRANCH LINES INTO THE EIGHTIES BY H.I. QUAYLE & STANLEY C. JENKINS. It gives a real insight what that this and other lines were like in 1980. The picture is completely different to now. Most lines were dilapidated with DMUs on their last legs. Most had a real possibility of closing. The book obviously out of print but there are second hand copies available.
I used to live in Belper so I know the line very well. Mostly journeys to Derby but also Cromford, Matlock and Matlock Bath.
I have to say that Matlock in Derbyshire is very nice and pretty place. How comes that Matlock is the County Town of Derbyshire and Derby isn’t the County Town of Derbyshire.
Same with other places including Buckingham that used to be the county town of Buckinghamshire but Aylesbury is now the county town of Buckinghamshire.
The bus station at Belper is unique (as far as I know), it is a bus station by day and a garage by night.
Thank you for sharing Nick.
I've walked up the hill to Crich from Whatstandwell twice and can confirm it is rather steep...
This is the line that I grew up on and you finally did it!
Crich used to run a Heritage Bus linking in the trains at Whatstandwell on some of their busier event days.
Wait, what stands well?
If only they still did.
Last time I went was on the Yorkshire Traction service, all the way from Huddersfield.
Done this line a few days ago to get to Matlock Saturday to then ride the Buxton TransPeak.
Would have been funny if I saw you, I was on the 11am service out of Derby 😂
I’ve been to Matlock, Matlock Bath, Cromford, Crich, Belper and Derby
That bus was Will's punishment for sending everyone to Rotherham Central 🤣🤣🤣
You're like Harry Potter sometimes....
Half the trains you get on are magically so quiet and virtually empty!
Went to matlock, very nice town with a very nice station
Matlock bath has a model shop everything is a ok price inside
Great video! There’s one station I still need on this line; Matlock Bath! When I did Matlock I walked it from Cromford. I did Whatstandwell and Ambergate at a later date when I also did Belper. I ticked Duffield when I went to the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway so it left me with one omission.
By the way, was the cable car working at the time of your visit?
Every single time I’ve seen Matlock Bath, both in person and in videos, it’s been raining. I don’t think sunshine exists there
Pedantry corner - Some might say is a 12"/cd single, not an album
Did you know the Matlock line runs parallel with the Cromford canal the River Derwent and the A6 main road
Was not expecting my local station Shipley to get a shout out in this video 😂
Funny story actually, I was on a trip to the local critch tramway museum and on the way back, the rear axle broke, we were stranded and had to find the nearest place to park, that being whatstandawell station, me and my dad were stranded for about an hour till the first RAC van came, who couldn't take us (as it wasn't safe of course) so we had to wait for the flatbed, which didn't arrive untill about quarter past 7 which meant I didn't arrive in my house (just outside of Sheffield in Rotherham) untill about quarter to ten at night, in the meantime to keep myself occupied I stood on the railway bridge like the character out of Thomas the tank engine, and counted the length of the platform by size 7 shoe step
About 8 trains passed in the meantime, one of which the driver left me with 3 tones during his departure, him and the other EMR staff member waved at me, bringing some light to the rather boring evening
Nick love your awesome videos
Did anyone make the joke "it's not Matlock Bath, it's Matlock Shower" yet?
A good canal ❓️Call Jen on the move she loves a good canal ❤
I haven't been down this line yet despite having easy access almost every day for years and years... I really missed out as I want to see these station
The Tunnel tho. 😮
Great video as usual Nick! Rather appropriate there is water (whether it is rain or a river) at Matlock BATH!
I guess it's appropriate that you experience showers at Matlock Bath.
What about the other Derwent Valley line...?
SHINING TIME STATION
I haven't lived in the UK for 9 years, and hearing that "See It Say It Sorted" still makes me shudder from the undisguised paranoia of it, I guess exposure makes you used to it.
This line is not same without single 153 DMU unit ;)
Did your rover ticket work for the bus?
Nope, we needed extra tickets
Big ass Tunnel 😂 Apart from Belper and Duffield, I haven't been on that line. One for the future, great video.
Hi Nick, i've been watching your videos for a good year now and LOVE them. Oh my name is harry by the way. i'm 12 years old and i'm also a train nerd. I would love to do a video with you one day but i live in Budapest. I mean... we have cool trains and trams in budapest. anyway, have a lovely day and please, please, please reply... Harry
i thought it was hogsmeade 😂
Shipley, or Earlestown.
4:40 meirl
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Hey, are you going to the Northumberland Line reopening on Sunday? Tickets are supposedly on sale from yesterday but the app broke and northern's twitter said to me they'll have it fixed tomorrow (wednesday).
Tickets now on sale, £2.60 from Newcastle to Ashington (or for me, £2.60 for a return as I have a 16-17 railcard)
I've been to derby before only once
yep it who's sin gull buy oasis some might say dun by Bryan cannon he did all their covers on first 3 album's buty of a station privetley own i belive its plaCE TO STAY WHITH BOOKING LAST I READ
Missing a chance to visit Crich, just because the path is uphill. Shame on you.
We had other things we wanted to do that day rather than the path being uphill, I'm sure Crich is something we'll do another time.
the station is Cromford railway station in Derbyshire not mattock its near matlock
An Enjoyable Video As Always & How About Moorgate To Moorfields As A Point To Point Or A Pointless Journey If Not Already Done Although I Can See That This Would Be A long Journey
Don't try to recreate the Oasis cover. Not because it would be trespassing, but because Oasis sucks.