Nice summary, thanks for the follow up on this bike. I have an 850, and I love it. It is better than my previous 2017 V-Strom 650 in terms of suspension, brakes, and highway stability (and actually, also in design and quality of parts and assembly, I think); better than my later 2017 BMW F800GS- that was a very capable bike, but SO heavy and top heavy. The Tiger is an excellent all-rounder, and is certainly able to do the off pavement trails and forestry roads that I will get to. I added some engine bars, a skid plate and removable luggage racks, a bigger Give windshield and I'm good to go anywhere I'd ever ride. Plus it is a bike I'm really fond of; I like looking at it as well as riding it. Finally, your comments about the weight and balance both on the road and in the garage or driveway, noted by other reviewers, is spot-on. It was a critical factor for me in this purchase. My only complaint is the terrible 'winged' tach display. Such a shame when there are so many really good, legible digital displays to copy... I mean, learn from.
I tend to agree I don't think all these riding modes are necessary and this seems to be a nice bike you can enjoy without the extra costs added in for those gizmos. Give me a comfortable riding position and a nice motor like this triple and I would be happy.
I absolutely LOVE my Tiger 850 Sport! It's a fantastic two-up bike and has that wonderful Triumph Triple character. Yes, it's bare-bones, but it still performs very well for the price point. What I love especially the light 'feel' of the bike. It doesn't feel top-heavy or squirrely. When I have a passenger on the bike I barely notice. This is my first dual-sport and I'm so glad I chose this one!
I’m looking at purchasing one in the near future. I’ve looked at other reviews and some say that the bike is vibey. Anyone else found this to be a problem?
for me, I like the adjustable suspension on my commute with paniers, papers, laptop in wintertime or on a sunday drive, i can feel the difference, also big difference between road and dynamic, dynamic is nice on highways and in the twisties, providing good surface quality but way to stiff for country roads (s1000xr, 54 years old 18 stone rider)
I agree there are features the GT Pro and Rally Pro that are nice to have however that are not required to enjoy the riding experience. I think the big miss on the Tiger 850 sport is the lack of cruise control. If you do any long touring trips it gives your throttle hand a well needed rest. Heated grips would be nice however you can get around that with heated gloves and a vest. A good windshield that is easily adjustable and a comfortable seat and seating position are far more important than a quick shifter, lean sensitive ABS and traction control, or semi-active suspension. I have never used a quick shifter and can't imagine why this has become such an important feature ...
A quick shifter is one of my favourite additions on a motorcycle. If you’re commuting or scratching, it’s great. Triumph have one of best (smoothest) on the market. Don’t knock it until you try it.
Really great and useful video. I've been riding a F750GS as my first bike and it's been nothing short of excellent. I say this as someone who doesn't particularly care for the BMW brand tbh. It is slightly heavy in terms of lugging around as opposed to riding, but that's a small price to pay for what is imho an overlooked gem. ATVB.
“Hello, this looks interesting!” Had me laughing. Relieved I’m not the only one who does that. Anyway another great video Andy, and a model that wasn’t even on my radar until this video. These videos (as well as being enjoyable) are also good at showcasing model ranges as well as a review of the actual bike itself. …if that made any sense..?
@@TheMissendenFlyer I wonder how many SMIDSYs and "Single biker failed to negotiate bend" accidents are really "Rider was distracted checking out a nice bum". I'm sure it'll be my downfall one day!
It's great Triumph are giving you a choice but one thing to consider if you change yiur bike every few years by trading it in is what the depreciation will be as that's by far the biggest expense over the life of a new bike. It's worth finding out which model sells the best and if the new owners have finance on it because if they do buying the cheaper more basic option might cost you more in the long run because of the trade in value the dealer is prepared to offer as most people buying on finance will want the bike with all the bells and whistles on as it "Only costs a little more each month" so basic bikes may not be so atteactive to the dealer. Obviously if it's a keeper this doesn't apply, but it's also worth checking what is missing on the Tiger 850 compared to the Tiger 900 to see if you would miss those extras or not. Things like cruise control would be important to someone who did long tours and things like a quick shifter or heated grips woukd again be important to others. Do the research, spend loads of time at the dealers, test ride them all, see which you can afford.....then flip a coin😂
Indeed - though in my case I only buy a bike if I know its right for me and it will be a keeper - I really don't understand why you would buy a bike, keep it a year and sell it (as much as anything because of that depreciation issue). To me it just says you didn't do your research and bought the wrong bike in the first place!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I agree on that point but there are a significant number of bikers out there that finance their bikes with a PCP and want to change that bike once the finance term runs out. So they trade their old bike in and get another new bike on a PCP again which is why the depreciation/GFV is important as that'll effect how much they have to borrow next time. This of course is what the dealers love and probably accojnts for most of their business now, especially BMW. This doesn't apply to old 'uns who keep our bikes longer by all this, but I'm guessing most of the premium bikes from the likes of BMW and Ducati etc get traded in once the factory warranty is up.
Nice bike I currently own a 2014 1050 sport and love it. Good blend of power, performance and comfort. Would love to see a new version of the 1050 Would definitely upgrade to a new version.
I'm sure I saw you walking a dog with your Mrs today in Braemar. We came passed on bikes and you (or whoever it was) gave an approving smile and a nod. It probably wasn't you but it tickle me to think it was.
Good review Mr Flyer, I've watched your 3 videos on this bike.Looks a cracking bike, I'd want cruise control, heated grips , centre stand, quick shifter. Think I'll stop there. Very nice bike Sir. Take care....
Yet another video which tells me I was right in cancelling my 900 gt pro, as over 12months wait for delivery from 1st ordering in August last year. My 800 Xrx has given me many big smiling miles this year again. If I do decide to renew, then the 850 sport will be my first choice. Yes, I love my Triumphs too.
I was lucky. Got mine within weeks in March as it was meant to be their demo bike. It was the colour I wanted..... black.... and as they couldn't get anymore, they said I could have it. No point having a demonstrator with no bikes to sell! It replaced my 800xrx, which was great but the gt pro is even better.
@@fazerstorm-oap lucky you, I would of loved it I'm sure, as I rode the demo last August for a whole weekend and had my order in as soon as I returned it on the monday, and the sales guy did all in his power, but to no avail, and to be honest, triumph at Hinkley couldn't of been more apologetic. Happy riding sir, and as I say....never say never
Nearly missed this one!! Caught me out with the Wednesday release!! Looks a good solid model for a first big bike candidate, ideal if moving up from a post test bike after a couple of years riding!!
The adjustable suspension argument winds me up all the time. I'd say 90% of riders would mess it up by playing around with them settings. I've got a mate who used to say that he changes the settings when he rides on freeways vs. mountain roads and one day, I changed his mountain settings on a break as a "joke" and he didn't realize the change at all. So, what's the point of that? I understand that if you are particularly large/heavy/small in posture, you might want to play around with the settings to match the bike to your liking but how many people fall into the category? I say almost none. If the bike is already setup proper from the factory, that's good enough for me.
Totally agree! If I were in the market for a new car and the salesman pointed out that I needed to adjust the suspension every time I had a passenger or something in the boot...I would walk away!
@@johnDukemaster Have you not noticed that you actually are supposed to make adjustments to your car if it’s fully loaded with people or things? (Tyre pressures)
I own a Tiger 900 GT Pro - a great bike but have to agree that there are a couple of features that have not lived up to expectations that make the 850 worth considering. The turn-by-turn sat nav is OK (when the App is not playing-up) but I prefer my tomtom rider and whilst a 7inch TFT looks good on paper Triumph have not made best use of the available space. However items that I would not want to lose are heated grips, heated seat, cruise contol and the quick shifter. Also the electronic adjustable suspension works really well and very useful when touring.
Certainly top of my list to replace my Himalayan (which I love) when I have the cash. Not sure why all these folk want cruise control - surely half the joy of a 'bike is the constant change of speed; overtaking, filtering etc. On a huge cruiser yes, but an Adventure bike doesn't warrant cruise control IMHO (though Triumph might be missing a trick by not having it as an option). I'd have to add heated grips though...!
Disagree on cruise control. There’s no reason why a bike with throttle by wire shouldn’t have it, because not everyone can afford a dedicated big cruiser bike. Also, tons of people love touring on adv bikes anyway.
@@paigelaw5799 The reason these bikes shouldn't have cruise control? Merely cost. I agree that some will like it but I'd rather bikes came cheaper with optional add-ons rather than having to fork out a fortune for a 'bells and whistles' bike where I don't use most of the gadgets and gizmos. It's personal choice but the likes of BMW seem to have more of a 'bung it all in and charge a fortune' approach.
re: cruise control Why you don't want it - cost Why you do want it - the constant change of speed you enjoy often leads to rather expensive speeding tickets :) Plus, some of us live on the prairies and multi hour highway runs are not uncommon.
Quite often there's hours of motorway riding between adventures, and for that cruise control is great. Just being able to take your right hand off the throttle to adjust your glove or jacket cuff is nice! Unfortunately cruise control is limited to throttle by wire bikes and I've yet to ride one that feels 'right' to me so I'll continue to have an achey wrist for a while.
Less is more as the saying goes. My mate has the Tiger 1200, beautiful bike but I’d put money on it he’ll never use all the technology, riding modes or even power that it has. My missus got a new car yesterday, all the gubbins on it, so many buttons! The lady in the showroom offered to start putting some radio stations into the big screen thing in the middle, I piped in “ just radio 2 will do love”. It also has paddle shifters! On an automatic! What’s the point! Great review by the way. 😁
I think it will definitely be on my list for next bike, I'm older now and big adventure bikes scare me at low speeds, having had a GS i love the low center of gravity but can't justify the price of a new one. Maybe even consider Honda's new transalp if it is actually being made again. Great video thanks for sharing 👍
I tend to think too much electronic wizardry is a bit intrusive and takes away some elements of rider skill , I’d definitely regard this as a viable next bike
It would be a leading contender for me, if they'd included cruise control. Not having that, for me, when it would have cost Triumph virtually nothing to include, makes it a non-starter.
seeing as the 1200 sa [ i think ] was 15500 quid 4 years ago puts this into perspective, priced really well,, also the slightly gentler power means all the fancy electrics to keep it upright are not such a vital need ..
Great video. I get all your points be keen to ride one once I’m back in the saddle. If it had cable throttle and a proper dials I’d be there like a shot.
@@maxflight777 ha ha. I just like bikes with a mechanical feel to them. Not a fan of ride by wire throttles I like the resistance of a cable throttle. Not a fan of quickshifters either. All the tech is great for setting a fast laptime but I find low tech bikes more rewarding to ride on the road. Tech seems to make you feel a bit detached from a bike. Same worth engines I prefer a single or twin over a smoother 4 cyclinder that just have more charector. I do think ABS is good. Covered a couple thousand miles on a s1000xr but would much rather ride my himmy or vstrom.
Agree with all 5 good reasons to buy one and I nearly did but 1 good reason not to is the lack of cruise control. I took a 900 out for a test ride having placed an order for an 850 (as demo 850s are like hen's teeth) and was blown away by how relaxing having cruise control was. Just a minute or two on a straight bit of A road is enough to give your right wrist a break without having to stop. Never considered criuse control before I tried it and immediately realised it will make such a difference on a long trip so cancelled my 850 sport and changed to a 900 gt which arrived today! If the 850 sport had cruise control it would have been the perfect good value all round bike. The gt for me was the best compromise. Not got all the unnecessary gadgets of the pro (don't want fancy electronic suspension that will be a rip-off when it goes wrong and needs replacing, unlike a conventional shock) but keeps the most important bits (for me at least) and you can get any of the extras on the pro that you want (except shock) as they are compatible, unlike with the 850. Would have been more than happy though with the simpler 850 sport if only it had the cruise control.
Hi Andy It’s your fault . . . . . . I’ve just ordered one. In all seriousness thanks for the review it certainly helped in my decision making process. Keep up the good work. Rob H
Nice review & I agree. Less is more! With the increasing levels of tech (& associated price) these days, the less I want it tbh......except for the new Moto Guzzi V100 which is completely hypocritical of me lol.
I visited a Triumph dealer yesterday and they said they have no idea when this bike will be available. Production prioritised for the Tiger 900. maybe available in the new year , probably later.
Thanks for this honest review. It does look to be a good value bike. Would like to know how you find that screen - it looks high and one of my pet hates is buffet from screens.
I’d love to have one of these, but Triumph dealers are few and far between in Japan (and they have a mediocre support rating here) just got a 2014 700GS and yea bit heavy for a midrange bike. Plus I’m a short arse and it’s not the lowered model so very awkward to lug around the steep narrow roads in my neck of the woods. I’m sure the triple engine Triumph would love it.
Couldnt agree more Mr Flyer. I bought mine 7 months ago and have now covered over 15,000Kms (I'm in Queensland, Australia). The only extra I added was the heated grips, as it can get surprisingly cool going over the Mountains. I did ponder a centre stand, but for convenience I fitted the excellent Tutoro chain lube system instead, which works an absolute treat. I had an old paddock stand for any other jobs. It's great on long rides as I regularly do a 500km day (300 miles) in comfort. I replaced the excellent Annakee tyres at 13,500 and reckon they could be reason no. 6
A bit less is often more. The more electronics, the more can/will go wrong with it in time. Around 21°C and slightly sunny here in the Netherlands in the province of North Brabant.
Been looking at the GT pro lately and with the arrival of a baby and not being in the ideal position for a new toy this might be the answer, I’ve not had any of the bells and whistles On any of my other bikes so don’t suppose I’ll miss them! Thanks for the great video
Based on this review and a few others I tried to order one, but they are like rocking horse poop I.e. hard to find, but I managed to get a great deal on a nearly new with some extras on, so can’t wait to pick up and get out there, simple riding again and no distracting numerous TFT gizmos etc.👍
Morning TMF! A very interesting, excellent value bike. Do you think you could go touring on it as easy as the GT? It’s definitely a good looking machine.
I would get one if it was £8k, but sadly it isn't. Keeping my eye on the new Tiger Sport 660, which should be a better proposition price wise.
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Yesterday I tested the two back to back. The triple with regular firing order on 660 has quite a different character. It is more whiney, louder. While cruising at 70 km/h, 6th gear, ~3.5k rpm, there is a peaky engine sound you hear. This on the other hand, was grunty and much more quiet. More like a twin. I thought I was going to buy the 660 but now I am ordering this. Feels a lot more like an adventure bike which I like.
Great review .. First time rider here . I had my heart set on the tiger 660 sport but after seeing this I wonder if this is a better bike ?. Would it be to much for a middle aged new rider .. the bhp is roughy about the same .. what’s your thoughts ?.
Hello Sir, I fully and whole heartedly agree with everything you have covered in your video but.... have you tried to get hold of one as a punter. I wanted the 850 but when I tried to get one by trading in my 1090 ktm adventure [also bought by your review and recomendation] I was told it would be at least January or Febuary before they could get there hands on one.This is of course down to covid holding up production all along down the line even to the parts that are subbed out to other producers.So as there was a 900 GT expected that had been previously ordered by a customer who then couldn't wait and got himself a Suzuki V Strom I said I would take it instead rather than wait. So to cut a long story short, before its 600 mile service which I had covered in the first week of purchase every warning light you can think of appeared one day and this was addressed on the service only to re appear some days later the fault being traced to a faulty IMU and again because of the plague even Triumph didnt have any replacements for at least three weeks.The solution was to replace mine with a donor from a damaged Demo bike.So understand why after three weeks and 2500 miles am I wondering why I forked out the extra cash for lets face it shit you just don't need and its about time manufacturers started giving us machines we want and stop charging us vast amounts for Gizzmology we we don't need get in there Royal Enfield.
I am considering a bike like this to replace my Gsxs1000, how does it compare to the Honda crossrunner, I notice a big weight difference in the spec sheets and I am the same height as you. Not really interested in electronic modes or gizmos just a nice down to earth easy bike to ride that doesnt need loads of high revs to get the job done.
Another great watch, I have a 2013 Street triple, which I love but not sure about which triumph is next, street twin, speed triple or an adventure, would my local dealer get peaved if I wanted to test ride such different genre bikes?
The dealer shouldn't mind. My dealer lent me a Bonneville T120 Black when they had my Street Triple in for some maintenance, I also went to a demo day there and tried a Speed Twin and Thruxton RS. It's good to try something different!
Yes from a value perspective this is similar to the vstrom (I have a new one at the moment) but to my eyes the Triumph looks better and has a better dash (although the new VStrom has impressive electronics for the money)….
Great video but i prefer the 900 GT Pro. I own one and just love it. For this kind of bike a just wanted all the specs as heated grips, heated sadle (both rider and pillion) better screen etc etc. I wanted a bike that can handle the most like a swiss army knife and dont need to add specs later. The price is ok not cheap but better value for me than the BMW GS. They are to expensive. If i buy another bike less power more sporty like the beautiful Honda CBR 650R or the 500 R then i dont need all the electronics on that kind of bike. Its more of a fun bike, cheaper but what a nice looking bike. Wish that more manufactures build bikes that looks like that with less power and at a better pricetag. I think its a pity thats every more sporty bikes go up in cc and costs more. I dont need no tracking races just a fun bike and a nice looking sporty bikes like the Honda CBR. And please not so many naked bikes. They are all over the place. Owned a Suzuki GSX s1000 but sold it. Maybe buying the CBR just for the looks. But the 900 GT Pro is a keeper. Love it and its the best looking adventure bike out there, the red colour is so beautiful. No adventure bikes is nice looking but the Triumph looks rather good at that pricepoint. Yes Ducati 950 is maybe better looking but dont like the heat from the Ducatis
Had a brief run around the block today on this 850 at the local Triumph dealership after checking out the V-strom 650XT. Is it me, or does the 850 actually feel lighter & more nimble than the V-strom despite having more displacement and cylinders? One thing for sure is that with the stock seat in the low position, my short legs could reach the ground far better than on the V-strom with its stock seat. Not fair to compare engine power but overall there's definitely that unmistakable feeling of riding something drastically more contemporary here. Question is whether or not that feeling is actually worth the price difference... I'll be chewing the fat on that one over the next few weeks... I really absolutely don't care for electronic farkles like quickhifters, IMU lean angle thingies, Bluetooth bollocks and other fiddly things. The only things that matter, if at all, are the ABS and some form of traction control.
Good review. It does look like a good bike, and if Triumph had put in a 120 degree crank shaft, I could consider it. Since it's a T plane crank, no thanks ! Also the Triumph Tiger 850 / 900s do seem more adventury, I really want more road focused 2 up bike. Smaller front wheel etc . If I get a sports tourer 2 up bike, currently the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT or maybe the new Suzuki GSX-S 1000 GT are a bit more appealing ... On this Tiger, fortunately no keyless ignition, which I've now worked out another issue with. Say the battery goes flat, well try unlocking the steering lock. Now imagine the bike is in a tight bike shed where it's difficult to do anything like take the seat off (possible, but difficult) to get to the battery and recharge it and be able to unlock the steering, well good luck moving the bike. If a keyless bike is in a tight shed, an optimiser lead to easily charge the battery is really very necessary (one of these saved me a lot of pain)
Moro Guzzi V85TT is a good candidate as well. With shaft drive, cruise control, and 3 aluminum hard cases, it comes in at $13,000 U.S. No cruise on the Tiger 850, and it’s a big jump in price to the 900 to get cruise. Surprised about the BMW 750 feeling heavier than the 1200. The 750 with the package that adds cruise puts it 2nd to the Guzzi in value if cruise is important. The ride-by-wire is trickling down and we’ll see cruise on even cheaper bikes soon.
The big GS has a lower center of gravity, thanks to the boxer engine. It's amazing how agile it is, though after riding the 750GS a whole day, I'd never guessed it was 30kg heavier than my usual ride.
I have a 15 800xcx with cruise abs tc with wilbers full suspension matched to my weight and many upgrades , I love my bike .stock suspension sucks on almost all stock bikes especially after 15 to 20 k miles
What about the F900XR? At least in terms of road use, it would seem to be in the same neighbourhood, both price-wise and performance-wise with perhaps a few more niceties on the Beemer (and, I'll willingly admit, a rock hard seat!).
I like this bike....Can you remember if a Vstrom 650 feels more pondeous moving it around at slow speed? I have one and do find it heavy to move about. I hope I can rent one of these Triumphs in Europe and check it out.!
Nice summary, thanks for the follow up on this bike. I have an 850, and I love it. It is better than my previous 2017 V-Strom 650 in terms of suspension, brakes, and highway stability (and actually, also in design and quality of parts and assembly, I think); better than my later 2017 BMW F800GS- that was a very capable bike, but SO heavy and top heavy. The Tiger is an excellent all-rounder, and is certainly able to do the off pavement trails and forestry roads that I will get to.
I added some engine bars, a skid plate and removable luggage racks, a bigger Give windshield and I'm good to go anywhere I'd ever ride.
Plus it is a bike I'm really fond of; I like looking at it as well as riding it.
Finally, your comments about the weight and balance both on the road and in the garage or driveway, noted by other reviewers, is spot-on. It was a critical factor for me in this purchase.
My only complaint is the terrible 'winged' tach display. Such a shame when there are so many really good, legible digital displays to copy... I mean, learn from.
I tend to agree I don't think all these riding modes are necessary and this seems to be a nice bike you can enjoy without the extra costs added in for those gizmos. Give me a comfortable riding position and a nice motor like this triple and I would be happy.
I absolutely LOVE my Tiger 850 Sport! It's a fantastic two-up bike and has that wonderful Triumph Triple character. Yes, it's bare-bones, but it still performs very well for the price point. What I love especially the light 'feel' of the bike. It doesn't feel top-heavy or squirrely. When I have a passenger on the bike I barely notice. This is my first dual-sport and I'm so glad I chose this one!
Glad you like it - I think it's a great bike.....
I’m looking at purchasing one in the near future. I’ve looked at other reviews and some say that the bike is vibey. Anyone else found this to be a problem?
for me, I like the adjustable suspension
on my commute with paniers, papers, laptop in wintertime or on a sunday drive, i can feel the difference, also big difference between road and dynamic, dynamic is nice on highways and in the twisties, providing good surface quality but way to stiff for country roads (s1000xr, 54 years old 18 stone rider)
I agree there are features the GT Pro and Rally Pro that are nice to have however that are not required to enjoy the riding experience. I think the big miss on the Tiger 850 sport is the lack of cruise control. If you do any long touring trips it gives your throttle hand a well needed rest. Heated grips would be nice however you can get around that with heated gloves and a vest. A good windshield that is easily adjustable and a comfortable seat and seating position are far more important than a quick shifter, lean sensitive ABS and traction control, or semi-active suspension. I have never used a quick shifter and can't imagine why this has become such an important feature ...
A quick shifter is one of my favourite additions on a motorcycle. If you’re commuting or scratching, it’s great. Triumph have one of best (smoothest) on the market. Don’t knock it until you try it.
Blimey you've been hanging onto this vid nearly as long as Triumph have with their Bond 007 special edition!
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Inflation appears to have added £100 to the price :)
Yep….no leaves on the trees…I’m in a time-warp!
If they had made a Bond 007 Moonraker Edition with wings a big tail fin and panniers in the shape of rocket engines I might have been temped.
@@donaldduck5731 I suspect a couple of stickers and a special number is all you get
Really great and useful video. I've been riding a F750GS as my first bike and it's been nothing short of excellent. I say this as someone who doesn't particularly care for the BMW brand tbh. It is slightly heavy in terms of lugging around as opposed to riding, but that's a small price to pay for what is imho an overlooked gem. ATVB.
Yes I found the F750 the same -great bike to ride but for me personally too heavy to live with day to day…
This vid really chilled me out after a day of stress. Thanks man.
Glad I could help!
“Hello, this looks interesting!” Had me laughing. Relieved I’m not the only one who does that.
Anyway another great video Andy, and a model that wasn’t even on my radar until this video. These videos (as well as being enjoyable) are also good at showcasing model ranges as well as a review of the actual bike itself.
…if that made any sense..?
Men eh? We can't help ourselves....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I wonder how many SMIDSYs and "Single biker failed to negotiate bend" accidents are really "Rider was distracted checking out a nice bum". I'm sure it'll be my downfall one day!
A most excellent no nonsense do it all bike. Couldn't agree more.
Happy travels
Like it a lot. As already been said cruise control would be a bonus, but then the price increases so understandable..
It's great Triumph are giving you a choice but one thing to consider if you change yiur bike every few years by trading it in is what the depreciation will be as that's by far the biggest expense over the life of a new bike. It's worth finding out which model sells the best and if the new owners have finance on it because if they do buying the cheaper more basic option might cost you more in the long run because of the trade in value the dealer is prepared to offer as most people buying on finance will want the bike with all the bells and whistles on as it "Only costs a little more each month" so basic bikes may not be so atteactive to the dealer. Obviously if it's a keeper this doesn't apply, but it's also worth checking what is missing on the Tiger 850 compared to the Tiger 900 to see if you would miss those extras or not. Things like cruise control would be important to someone who did long tours and things like a quick shifter or heated grips woukd again be important to others. Do the research, spend loads of time at the dealers, test ride them all, see which you can afford.....then flip a coin😂
Indeed - though in my case I only buy a bike if I know its right for me and it will be a keeper - I really don't understand why you would buy a bike, keep it a year and sell it (as much as anything because of that depreciation issue). To me it just says you didn't do your research and bought the wrong bike in the first place!
I’m finding that mostly all triumphs don’t hold their value on the whole.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I agree on that point but there are a significant number of bikers out there that finance their bikes with a PCP and want to change that bike once the finance term runs out. So they trade their old bike in and get another new bike on a PCP again which is why the depreciation/GFV is important as that'll effect how much they have to borrow next time. This of course is what the dealers love and probably accojnts for most of their business now, especially BMW. This doesn't apply to old 'uns who keep our bikes longer by all this, but I'm guessing most of the premium bikes from the likes of BMW and Ducati etc get traded in once the factory warranty is up.
Thanks for the video, Andy! Always enjoy these!
My pleasure!
Another great Vlog Andy
Nice bike
I currently own a 2014 1050 sport and love it. Good blend of power, performance and comfort.
Would love to see a new version of the 1050 Would definitely upgrade to a new version.
Great video Mr Flyer! The 850 Sport is a beautiful machine for the price point.
Ride SAFE!
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Good review as always. I would certainly consider one of these. Don't like the "boingy" editing noises mind....
Sorry about that
That combined with the lady joggers creates a Benny Hill effect. 🏃🏃🏃
Excellent as usual and after watching decided to buy one
Enjoy your new bike! ….good choice!
I'm sure I saw you walking a dog with your Mrs today in Braemar. We came passed on bikes and you (or whoever it was) gave an approving smile and a nod. It probably wasn't you but it tickle me to think it was.
I wish it was Nick, I wish it was....
Good review Mr Flyer, I've watched your 3 videos on this bike.Looks a cracking bike, I'd want cruise control, heated grips , centre stand, quick shifter. Think I'll stop there. Very nice bike Sir. Take care....
Completely agree, I'd have one of those as a runaround if I didn't have my CB500X although I do like the look of the Forza 750.
Got one. Happy. All your points are relevant. Nice going.
Glad we concur!
Yet another video which tells me I was right in cancelling my 900 gt pro, as over 12months wait for delivery from 1st ordering in August last year. My 800 Xrx has given me many big smiling miles this year again. If I do decide to renew, then the 850 sport will be my first choice. Yes, I love my Triumphs too.
I was lucky. Got mine within weeks in March as it was meant to be their demo bike. It was the colour I wanted..... black.... and as they couldn't get anymore, they said I could have it. No point having a demonstrator with no bikes to sell! It replaced my 800xrx, which was great but the gt pro is even better.
@@fazerstorm-oap lucky you, I would of loved it I'm sure, as I rode the demo last August for a whole weekend and had my order in as soon as I returned it on the monday, and the sales guy did all in his power, but to no avail, and to be honest, triumph at Hinkley couldn't of been more apologetic. Happy riding sir, and as I say....never say never
Triumph are certainly making the biking world sit up and take notice.Thanks.
Congratulations, you talked me into buying the 850 vs the 900 pro. I will add a center stand.
Nearly missed this one!! Caught me out with the Wednesday release!! Looks a good solid model for a first big bike candidate, ideal if moving up from a post test bike after a couple of years riding!!
Wednesday is the new normal now!
I have ownd the Tiger 1050 Sport for 4 yrs best all round bike i have ever owned
Yes I loved my old 1050 - just a tad too heavy I found…not a problem on this bike that feels light as a feather in comparison…
The adjustable suspension argument winds me up all the time. I'd say 90% of riders would mess it up by playing around with them settings. I've got a mate who used to say that he changes the settings when he rides on freeways vs. mountain roads and one day, I changed his mountain settings on a break as a "joke" and he didn't realize the change at all. So, what's the point of that? I understand that if you are particularly large/heavy/small in posture, you might want to play around with the settings to match the bike to your liking but how many people fall into the category? I say almost none. If the bike is already setup proper from the factory, that's good enough for me.
I tend to agree!
Totally agree! If I were in the market for a new car and the salesman pointed out that I needed to adjust the suspension every time I had a passenger or something in the boot...I would walk away!
@@johnDukemaster Turning up the preload on the Skoda when off to the shops :)
@@johnDukemaster Have you not noticed that you actually are supposed to make adjustments to your car if it’s fully loaded with people or things? (Tyre pressures)
@@iainamurray I do it every time!😂
basically 850 sport is the standard model of the 900 without the optional accessories. i like it.
Exactly...
I own a Tiger 900 GT Pro - a great bike but have to agree that there are a couple of features that have not lived up to expectations that make the 850 worth considering. The turn-by-turn sat nav is OK (when the App is not playing-up) but I prefer my tomtom rider and whilst a 7inch TFT looks good on paper Triumph have not made best use of the available space. However items that I would not want to lose are heated grips, heated seat, cruise contol and the quick shifter. Also the electronic adjustable suspension works really well and very useful when touring.
Agreed all round!
Certainly top of my list to replace my Himalayan (which I love) when I have the cash. Not sure why all these folk want cruise control - surely half the joy of a 'bike is the constant change of speed; overtaking, filtering etc. On a huge cruiser yes, but an Adventure bike doesn't warrant cruise control IMHO (though Triumph might be missing a trick by not having it as an option). I'd have to add heated grips though...!
Disagree on cruise control. There’s no reason why a bike with throttle by wire shouldn’t have it, because not everyone can afford a dedicated big cruiser bike. Also, tons of people love touring on adv bikes anyway.
@@paigelaw5799 The reason these bikes shouldn't have cruise control? Merely cost. I agree that some will like it but I'd rather bikes came cheaper with optional add-ons rather than having to fork out a fortune for a 'bells and whistles' bike where I don't use most of the gadgets and gizmos. It's personal choice but the likes of BMW seem to have more of a 'bung it all in and charge a fortune' approach.
re: cruise control
Why you don't want it - cost
Why you do want it - the constant change of speed you enjoy often leads to rather expensive speeding tickets :) Plus, some of us live on the prairies and multi hour highway runs are not uncommon.
Quite often there's hours of motorway riding between adventures, and for that cruise control is great. Just being able to take your right hand off the throttle to adjust your glove or jacket cuff is nice! Unfortunately cruise control is limited to throttle by wire bikes and I've yet to ride one that feels 'right' to me so I'll continue to have an achey wrist for a while.
Less is more as the saying goes. My mate has the Tiger 1200, beautiful bike but I’d put money on it he’ll never use all the technology, riding modes or even power that it has. My missus got a new car yesterday, all the gubbins on it, so many buttons! The lady in the showroom offered to start putting some radio stations into the big screen thing in the middle, I piped in “ just radio 2 will do love”. It also has paddle shifters! On an automatic! What’s the point! Great review by the way. 😁
Cheers Jeremy - pushing on an open door here!
I think it will definitely be on my list for next bike, I'm older now and big adventure bikes scare me at low speeds, having had a GS i love the low center of gravity but can't justify the price of a new one. Maybe even consider Honda's new transalp if it is actually being made again. Great video thanks for sharing 👍
I test rode one of these at a demo . Fine machine.
Awesome review! My next bike!! Thank you!!!! 👍🙏🏻
Good choice!
I tend to think too much electronic wizardry is a bit intrusive and takes away some elements of rider skill , I’d definitely regard this as a viable next bike
Another great video looks a great bike one to consider all the best
LOOKING at some those roads you ride on this is it for overall use . So what is that nice quiet narrow road you were on ,here that s a bike path !!
It would be a leading contender for me, if they'd included cruise control. Not having that, for me, when it would have cost Triumph virtually nothing to include, makes it a non-starter.
That's a shame....
cruise is vital now on any touring/adventure style bike, once you've had it you'd never go back.
Same with me. Big deal between this and the BMW. Plus, in the states the BMW will be a few quid cheaper even with a few options :(
@@TheMissendenFlyer I bought the Tracer 9GT over the 850 because it had cruise...
Same! Cant wait for the aprilia Tuareg 660 to come out. Hopefully it won’t be more expensive than this.
seeing as the 1200 sa [ i think ] was 15500 quid 4 years ago puts this into perspective, priced really well,, also the slightly gentler power means all the fancy electrics to keep it upright are not such a vital need ..
Great video. I get all your points be keen to ride one once I’m back in the saddle. If it had cable throttle and a proper dials I’d be there like a shot.
@@maxflight777 ha ha. I just like bikes with a mechanical feel to them. Not a fan of ride by wire throttles I like the resistance of a cable throttle. Not a fan of quickshifters either. All the tech is great for setting a fast laptime but I find low tech bikes more rewarding to ride on the road. Tech seems to make you feel a bit detached from a bike. Same worth engines I prefer a single or twin over a smoother 4 cyclinder that just have more charector. I do think ABS is good. Covered a couple thousand miles on a s1000xr but would much rather ride my himmy or vstrom.
Agree with all 5 good reasons to buy one and I nearly did but 1 good reason not to is the lack of cruise control. I took a 900 out for a test ride having placed an order for an 850 (as demo 850s are like hen's teeth) and was blown away by how relaxing having cruise control was. Just a minute or two on a straight bit of A road is enough to give your right wrist a break without having to stop. Never considered criuse control before I tried it and immediately realised it will make such a difference on a long trip so cancelled my 850 sport and changed to a 900 gt which arrived today! If the 850 sport had cruise control it would have been the perfect good value all round bike. The gt for me was the best compromise. Not got all the unnecessary gadgets of the pro (don't want fancy electronic suspension that will be a rip-off when it goes wrong and needs replacing, unlike a conventional shock) but keeps the most important bits (for me at least) and you can get any of the extras on the pro that you want (except shock) as they are compatible, unlike with the 850. Would have been more than happy though with the simpler 850 sport if only it had the cruise control.
Surprising how many people have mentioned this as a big factor....
Tracer 9Gt, cruise control, quick shift, heated grips, semi-active suspension front & rear, Triumph should at least offer these options.
Tracer for me 👍
Great review as usual, thanks. Is an 850cc motorcycle a middleweight?
These days incredibly it seems so!
Hi Andy
It’s your fault . . .
. . . I’ve just ordered one.
In all seriousness thanks for the review it certainly helped in my decision making process.
Keep up the good work.
Rob H
Great choice Robert, brilliant bike, I’m sure you’ll be very happy with it - enjoy!
Nice review & I agree. Less is more! With the increasing levels of tech (& associated price) these days, the less I want it tbh......except for the new Moto Guzzi V100 which is completely hypocritical of me lol.
I am now up to date with TMF! 😀 Take care TMF see you on the tube soon!
Well done!
I visited a Triumph dealer yesterday and they said they have no idea when this bike will be available. Production prioritised for the Tiger 900. maybe available in the new year , probably later.
Oh dear….
Thanks for this honest review. It does look to be a good value bike. Would like to know how you find that screen - it looks high and one of my pet hates is buffet from screens.
I found it fine....
That Lucky Explorer is looking to be THE bike!
I’d love to have one of these, but Triumph dealers are few and far between in Japan (and they have a mediocre support rating here) just got a 2014 700GS and yea bit heavy for a midrange bike. Plus I’m a short arse and it’s not the lowered model so very awkward to lug around the steep narrow roads in my neck of the woods. I’m sure the triple engine Triumph would love it.
Nice bike and a great review as usual. Wonder how it would do with a pillion?
I would imaginbe fine - I rode the old Tiger 800 across Thailand with Mrs Flyer on the back and it was brill for both of us....
Couldnt agree more Mr Flyer. I bought mine 7 months ago and have now covered over 15,000Kms (I'm in Queensland, Australia). The only extra I added was the heated grips, as it can get surprisingly cool going over the Mountains. I did ponder a centre stand, but for convenience I fitted the excellent Tutoro chain lube system instead, which works an absolute treat. I had an old paddock stand for any other jobs. It's great on long rides as I regularly do a 500km day (300 miles) in comfort. I replaced the excellent Annakee tyres at 13,500 and reckon they could be reason no. 6
Very happy with the Tutoro as well, on my T120......
A bit less is often more.
The more electronics, the more can/will go wrong with it in time.
Around 21°C and slightly sunny here in the Netherlands in the province of North Brabant.
Yes 23C and glorious here yesterday and today - this video was recorded back in April…
Great video. Any chance you do some old school videos? Bimota SB8R, Gixxer 1100, 1000 ExUp etc. Maybe even an RC45?
Love too - its logistically very difficult but I'm working on it!
Been looking at the GT pro lately and with the arrival of a baby and not being in the ideal position for a new toy this might be the answer, I’ve not had any of the bells and whistles On any of my other bikes so don’t suppose I’ll miss them! Thanks for the great video
Good choice - you’ll love it!
Based on this review and a few others I tried to order one, but they are like rocking horse poop I.e. hard to find, but I managed to get a great deal on a nearly new with some extras on, so can’t wait to pick up and get out there, simple riding again and no distracting numerous TFT gizmos etc.👍
Congratulations and enjoy your new bike!
Good overview. What are your thoughts comparing this to the Tenere 700?
I prefer this....on looks grounds as much as anything else.
Another great review. Gotta do one on the new Tracer!!
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Yes I like the Tiger 850 Sport too Andy but I’ve not ridden it yet.
You'll love it!
Good video 👏🏻.question,will you be testing the new Tiger 1200 Rally explorer in the new year any thoughts. Thanks.Manxman 🇮🇲👍
Yes I really hope so!! Stay tuned!
@@TheMissendenFlyer will do thank you for your reply 👍
Thank you, I just wish it had cruise control.
Looks a great VFM bike compared to its rivals. Looks good for passenger comfort too. Thanks for the video Andy, much appreciated.
My pleasure as always James - thanks for watching once again!
I like the look of those bikes and if I had a choice that’s the one I’d get.
Yes, one of my favourites this year for sure…
Looks like a great bike for those roads.
Morning TMF! A very interesting, excellent value bike. Do you think you could go touring on it as easy as the GT? It’s definitely a good looking machine.
Yes....
I would get one if it was £8k, but sadly it isn't. Keeping my eye on the new Tiger Sport 660, which should be a better proposition price wise.
Yesterday I tested the two back to back. The triple with regular firing order on 660 has quite a different character. It is more whiney, louder. While cruising at 70 km/h, 6th gear, ~3.5k rpm, there is a peaky engine sound you hear. This on the other hand, was grunty and much more quiet. More like a twin. I thought I was going to buy the 660 but now I am ordering this. Feels a lot more like an adventure bike which I like.
Good overview
Great review .. First time rider here . I had my heart set on the tiger 660 sport but after seeing this I wonder if this is a better bike ?.
Would it be to much for a middle aged new rider .. the bhp is roughy about the same .. what’s your thoughts ?.
Tricky / both great bikes, the 660 is probably more fun….
Hello Sir, I fully and whole heartedly agree with everything you have covered in your video but.... have you tried to get hold of one as a punter. I wanted the 850 but when I tried to get one by trading in my 1090 ktm adventure [also bought by your review and recomendation] I was told it would be at least January or Febuary before they could get there hands on one.This is of course down to covid holding up production all along down the line even to the parts that are subbed out to other producers.So as there was a 900 GT expected that had been previously ordered by a customer who then couldn't wait and got himself a Suzuki V Strom I said I would take it instead rather than wait. So to cut a long story short, before its 600 mile service which I had covered in the first week of purchase every warning light you can think of appeared one day and this was addressed on the service only to re appear some days later the fault being traced to a faulty IMU and again because of the plague even Triumph didnt have any replacements for at least three weeks.The solution was to replace mine with a donor from a damaged Demo bike.So understand why after three weeks and 2500 miles am I wondering why I forked out the extra cash for lets face it shit you just don't need and its about time manufacturers started giving us machines we want and stop charging us vast amounts for Gizzmology we we don't need get in there Royal Enfield.
Triumphs and BMWs are like unicorns right now from a dealership.
Looks like excellent value for money
I think so - great bike, really like these…
I am considering a bike like this to replace my Gsxs1000, how does it compare to the Honda crossrunner, I notice a big weight difference in the spec sheets and I am the same height as you. Not really interested in electronic modes or gizmos just a nice down to earth easy bike to ride that doesnt need loads of high revs to get the job done.
How do the Truimph and Yamaha 3 cylinder engines compare? Nice review, thanks.
Quite similar I think…
Another great watch, I have a 2013 Street triple, which I love but not sure about which triumph is next, street twin, speed triple or an adventure, would my local dealer get peaved if I wanted to test ride such different genre bikes?
The dealer shouldn't mind. My dealer lent me a Bonneville T120 Black when they had my Street Triple in for some maintenance, I also went to a demo day there and tried a Speed Twin and Thruxton RS. It's good to try something different!
I think your dealer will love you!
I love the sound of a triple, great review but I will stick with my V-Strom. But If I upgrade it will be on the short list. thx
Yes from a value perspective this is similar to the vstrom (I have a new one at the moment) but to my eyes the Triumph looks better and has a better dash (although the new VStrom has impressive electronics for the money)….
Hey Mr Flyer, I really hope you can get in early and test ride the new Tiger 1200. Is there a release date yet..?
Not aware of one
Great video but i prefer the 900 GT Pro. I own one and just love it. For this kind of bike a just wanted all the specs as heated grips, heated sadle (both rider and pillion) better screen etc etc. I wanted a bike that can handle the most like a swiss army knife and dont need to add specs later. The price is ok not cheap but better value for me than the BMW GS. They are to expensive. If i buy another bike less power more sporty like the beautiful Honda CBR 650R or the 500 R then i dont need all the electronics on that kind of bike. Its more of a fun bike, cheaper but what a nice looking bike. Wish that more manufactures build bikes that looks like that with less power and at a better pricetag. I think its a pity thats every more sporty bikes go up in cc and costs more. I dont need no tracking races just a fun bike and a nice looking sporty bikes like the Honda CBR. And please not so many naked bikes. They are all over the place. Owned a Suzuki GSX s1000 but sold it. Maybe buying the CBR just for the looks. But the 900 GT Pro is a keeper. Love it and its the best looking adventure bike out there, the red colour is so beautiful. No adventure bikes is nice looking but the Triumph looks rather good at that pricepoint. Yes Ducati 950 is maybe better looking but dont like the heat from the Ducatis
Fair enough!
Good review.
Thanks Grant...
Had a brief run around the block today on this 850 at the local Triumph dealership after checking out the V-strom 650XT. Is it me, or does the 850 actually feel lighter & more nimble than the V-strom despite having more displacement and cylinders? One thing for sure is that with the stock seat in the low position, my short legs could reach the ground far better than on the V-strom with its stock seat.
Not fair to compare engine power but overall there's definitely that unmistakable feeling of riding something drastically more contemporary here. Question is whether or not that feeling is actually worth the price difference... I'll be chewing the fat on that one over the next few weeks...
I really absolutely don't care for electronic farkles like quickhifters, IMU lean angle thingies, Bluetooth bollocks and other fiddly things. The only things that matter, if at all, are the ABS and some form of traction control.
Agreed all round!
I have one and all round a very good bike .
Mr flyer, can you use your considerable influence to get triumph to add cruise control??? Other than that it’s looks like an awesome bike
Trust me I have no influence!
Love my rally pro
Have you had the Mrs. on the 850 Sport? Just wondering what it is like for 2 up riding?
No topbox = no Mrs on the back :0(
Might be a nice addition to my R nineT Pure. This one or the Moto Guzzi V85tt 🤔
Good review. It does look like a good bike, and if Triumph had put in a 120 degree crank shaft, I could consider it. Since it's a T plane crank, no thanks !
Also the Triumph Tiger 850 / 900s do seem more adventury, I really want more road focused 2 up bike. Smaller front wheel etc .
If I get a sports tourer 2 up bike, currently the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT or maybe the new Suzuki GSX-S 1000 GT are a bit more appealing ...
On this Tiger, fortunately no keyless ignition, which I've now worked out another issue with. Say the battery goes flat, well try unlocking the steering lock. Now imagine the bike is in a tight bike shed where it's difficult to do anything like take the seat off (possible, but difficult) to get to the battery and recharge it and be able to unlock the steering, well good luck moving the bike. If a keyless bike is in a tight shed, an optimiser lead to easily charge the battery is really very necessary (one of these saved me a lot of pain)
sorry just bought a new R1250GS in its basic form for the same reasons. £13600 is a lot of money I know. but it is simply stunning.
Nicely done!
Thank you!
This is a gorgeous bike
Nice colour too!
Moro Guzzi V85TT is a good candidate as well. With shaft drive, cruise control, and 3 aluminum hard cases, it comes in at $13,000 U.S. No cruise on the Tiger 850, and it’s a big jump in price to the 900 to get cruise.
Surprised about the BMW 750 feeling heavier than the 1200. The 750 with the package that adds cruise puts it 2nd to the Guzzi in value if cruise is important. The ride-by-wire is trickling down and we’ll see cruise on even cheaper bikes soon.
The big GS has a lower center of gravity, thanks to the boxer engine. It's amazing how agile it is, though after riding the 750GS a whole day, I'd never guessed it was 30kg heavier than my usual ride.
One of the surprises of the GS!
I'll stick with my Trident, 👍 review.
Thanks Mr Flyer, this does seem to be a first rate bike of this ilk, particularly good value for money I think too. :>)
I have a 15 800xcx with cruise abs tc with wilbers full suspension matched to my weight and many upgrades , I love my bike .stock suspension sucks on almost all stock bikes especially after 15 to 20 k miles
Cool!
What about the F900XR? At least in terms of road use, it would seem to be in the same neighbourhood, both price-wise and performance-wise with perhaps a few more niceties on the Beemer (and, I'll willingly admit, a rock hard seat!).
I understand you have been flying over choppsy today. Cheers TMF
Yes - well on Monday I did......
I like this bike....Can you remember if a Vstrom 650 feels more pondeous moving it around at slow speed? I have one and do find it heavy to move about. I hope I can rent one of these Triumphs in Europe and check it out.!
Yes the vstrom feels heavier for sure…
Do u k when the tiger 1200 might be released
No - but given they're teasing it soonish I guess
how does it stack up when compared to the f850gs ?
Much better - feels much lighter to move around - the baby GS is very top heavy in comparison….
Waiting for the Baja orange color scheme to come out
What do u think about the new gsx s1000GT
Looks an excellent value motorcycle - I look forward to trying one....did you see my Insta post on it?
@@TheMissendenFlyer naw lol didn't know u had insta
@@emmanuelgeorge4112 Well get on there man!