@@JDVG_Comedy_Videos what the hell makes you think universal would do well with them 🤣 Sony didn’t handle the Muppets well for one, not even slightly. But Disney produced the most successful Muppets film of all time. You guys cut Disney so much of the great things they’ve done it’s ridiculous
Man, I never really put it together, but seeing Frank Oz's interview totally confirms to me that Steve was only fired because he wanted the Muppet performers to have creative control over the Muppets and because he didn't back down when Disney told him no, they fired him and dragged his name through the mud to justify their decision.
Pretty much with disney, their way or the highway. I hate how a greedy companies treats their ipsbas just an object and not a work of passion. Yeah I know disney is a for profit company but they way they been handling ips they bought such as the muppets and star war is just sickening.
While it's easy to look at the Muppets and see it as a major franchise that Disney wants to capitalize on NOW, that ignores The Muppets own tumultuous past and mixed success throughout the years. I think what Disney doesn't get is the reason The Muppets work is because they tried and failed a lot. If they aren't given the chance to do that, they can't do what works. Honestly, the 2011 sitcom seemed like such a good opportunity to really explore the characters and develop a style with them that would work for Disney. I can't believe they abandoned it so quickly when it had so much potential.
The saddest part to me about the 2015 sitcom is that it JUST started to improve in the last few episodes (though I believe the whole series is nice, the last few episodes after the writing change is really when the series starts to be "The Muppets" again), they cancelled it due to the response to the earlier episodes. So much wasted potential.
Only real muppet fans know about Muppets at Disney Land, but what I’m saying is Disney+ should put Muppets at Disney Land on there because it’s frickin Disney and the Muppets are going to their park!
Man your videos are brilliant! Love that one of your main focuses is on The Muppets 💖 Any fan has mixed feelings about the sale of beloved characters, and their disconnection from their original creator, but if it had gone as planned with Jim surviving, I really wish we’d gotten to see what he would have done with his new-found time and creative freedom, and major funds, from the sale. That footage of him on the Arsenio Hall Show BREAKS me, because it was only days after that appearance that he passed away. He even jokes about having a “frog in his throat” because he already had the beginnings of the pneumonia that stole him from us 💔
Thank you! Yes I often think a universe with Jim Henson still in it would be a better one, though his influence will always be present no matter what...
This is a wonderful retrospective. I can tell you really did your research! Glad to know people still care about my franchise! If I was still apart of the series I would hire you to be our franchise organizer! :D
(#348) The muppets are so nostalgic to a lot of generations. They need to see that they have to work with the puppeteers and possibly bring back Steve Whitmyer.
I feel like the muppets franchise has become so soul less now… especially with recent attempts made to revive the brand by Disney (Muppet Babies 2018, & Muppets Now!) it lacks the magic & charm of the steve whitmire days, & it feels corporate.
Man, Disney really doesn't seem to care about The Muppets. I mean think about it, they cancelled any possible future muppet movies just because of Most Wanted not doing the best at the box office, the 2015/2016 TV show gets mixed reviews, show cancelled, and they fired Whitmire basically just for not liking the way Disney was treating The Muppets. And this is coming from the same studio that just keeps on making awful live action remakes. And I think we can all agree that all muppet movies are better than Disney live action remakes. Did I mention that they cancelled ABC's The Muppets because of mixed reviews. But they seem fine to make remakes that are mostly hated.
Ironic you mention Saban Entertainment now that Hasbro owns Power Rangers. A property that’s one of the rare big name ip’s I can think of to get away from the House of Mouse.
I wish this Disney deal never happened, when Jim Henson and the original performers were around, the Muppets were in good hands, So was Sesame Street and the creature films
@@lexramstudios1386 then they’d own Sesame Street, Fraggle Rock, and every other Muppet production produced if not mistaking. Which with things turned around and the original Muppet performers got more control over the Muppets like we all want, and Disney’s marketing skills would probably result in the most successful and Jim Henson Muppet soul revitalizing era of the Muppets ever. But alas, this is my fantasy
But it doesn’t have to be a fantasy, necessarily. If Steve were rehired and Oz’s ideas were offered and experienced muppeteers actually had freedom with regard to how the Muppets are performed (or at least good writers who understood and duplicated the original soul of the Muppets lmao), it could become true…
Still don't get why the best Muppets movies Muppets From Space & Muppets Take Manhattan aren't on Disney+. I'm chuffed that their rendition of The Christmas Carol {which I would probably place ahead of Take Manhattan in my personal ranking} is, cause I can watch it on Xmas Eve. But the other two being missing feels very odd.
Uh…no, he left a full 3 years before the Disney acquisition. You watched the video, right? Disney’s been more successful than the Muppets than any other company producing (as I’ve stated numerously before) the most successful Muppet film ever. They’re not perfect, there are a lot of flaws, but nothing they’ve done with the Muppets has been any worse than Sony, Nick or Viacom or WB with Sesame Street
Personally, I hope that the horrible Disney company drops The Muppets so someone who loves them as much as we do can buy them cheaply and get them back on track.
Jim wanted them to go to Disney, and Disney produced their most successful movie (and it was thoroughly enjoyable, along with its sequel that was also more successful than other Muppet movies while not having been a hit). Give them credit for that at least, I don’t get people’s endless hate towards Disney. They could definitely do better, but it’s not a “horrible company”
@@FreeSpiritPaulette There are different points here. Regarding Disney being a horrible company, perhaps you should research their / his history. Perhaps you already have have and still believe I’m wrong? That’s fine. We are all entitled to our opinions, and it seems we are both supported in ours. Growing up, Disney made some of my favourite films (for years I wished Mickey’s Once Upon A Christmas would be released on DVD after my VHS tape wore out, The Fox and The Hound was another favourite, as was of course, The Muppets Christmas Carol……) and it has to be said that the story telling and production of their work has always been excellent. The second point being, Disney is a globalist company, and like their peers, they take something loved, spin their magic, pocket a small fortune before dropping the idea into purgatory in favour of the next new thing and the next fortune. There is nothing wrong with turning a modest profit, indeed it is essential for businesses to survive, and that usually includes finding “the next new thing”. The issue is that once they own the copyright and dump the idea, this effectively stops anyone else from running with it. In this case Kermit and Co. That said, in this fast asleep, socially engineered, “woke” age, perhaps they are better not making a coming back. That way we can remember them in their glory. It’s a sad situation either way eh?
I don’t understand was Sesame Street originally part of the same company as the muppets? And then they became there own company right? And are they still there own company?
@@SomeBoiOnline it’s kinda sad Sesame Street was split from the muppets I mean I’m not saying there should be an Elmo movie or Elmo in a muppets move or Kermit the frog doing a movie with Elmo any time soon or at all I don’t feel to strongly but whatever. I don’t know about that but I’m just saying Kermit the frog appearing on Sesame Street again with Elmo should happen again but legally can’t happen it’s sad. Although this is coming from a guy who is not a kid doesn’t watch Sesame Street knows no kid who does or any kid for that matter and when there’s a new muppets movie and or tv show I’m like ok? And your point is? And or this affects my life how? And or I should care why? And or it’s important how? And don’t watch it but just the idea of it happening I mean I would like that I don’t like when companies get there ips split up I mean look at marvel they STILL can’t make another hulk movie she hulk legally has to be tv not a movie they don’t own the rights to Namor completely and that’s just when it comes to what universal studios owns. There’s Sony who own Spider-Man (well movie spider man not tv comic or merch and they like half own the rights to video game spider man I mean spider man video games do make marvel money and spider man in the avengers game but only for PS4 and I mean I think they want Spider-Man game off of PlayStation but legally can’t do that just know they as in Sony have some spider man rights in the form of complete movie rights and some but not all video game rights) I mean they don’t play that nice with Disney either I mean at least they let him into the mcu but like? They can’t use venom in the mcu no matter how much they want. Also if they didn’t buy out fox they still wouldn’t have the rights to the X-men or fantastic four or whatever else fox had. At one point even more was sold off. I’m happy Sony did not accept the entire mcu and instead went for spider man instead I mean come on there would be no mcu if they did. I know it’s a different situation with one wanting to be apart of the other like the muppets wanting to be apart of Disney and Sesame Street by if I understand this correctly one of the creators not both but o s of them not wanting it to be part of Disney and no one at marvel wanting to sell the rights off Stan lee wishing he could keep them and hating what was done with fantastic four. But my point is it’s sad that when IPs that were part of the same company and or owned by the same person and or created by the same person and or were in stories together and not just as a promotional seeking point like that one time dc and marvel had comics together get split up I would honestly like Sesame Street to come back together with the muppets just like how everyone except at Sony and universal want the rights marvel still doesn’t have to come back to them.
Sesame Street itself has always been owned by Sesame Workshop (formerly CTW), but the characters themselves were owned by Henson, with merchandising revenue split between the two parties. The characters and this revenue were not to be included in the Disney deal of 1989/90, but were included in the EMTV deal of 2000, until EMTV, under financial strain, sold the complete rights to the Sesame Muppets to Sesame Workshop in late 2000. Then in 2003, EMTV sold Henson back to the Hensons, who then sold the main Muppet franchise to Disney a year later.
@@SomeBoiOnline it is Sesame Street but Warner bros does not own the distribution rights to the series, that is the responsibility of sesame workshop ending on HBO’s end card when the episodes are on HBO, only sesame workshops own when it is in re runs on PBS kids But it will be owning the distribution rights for the forthcoming movie for sesame workshop who owns the brand, this movie will be the fourth time out theatrically and second overall distributed by Warner bros and first since 1989 as this will owned by WarnerMedia LLC/AT&T It is a lease between hbo max and pbs kids on show where hbo max will own all first run rights to the episodes through 2025, pbs kids holds the re run rights to the episodes 9 months after that The exception is anything featuring julia in a prominent role, if she is both can have her bypassing the 9 months
Dude your way too under rated
Thanks! 😁
@@SomeBoiOnline yeah I don’t know why this only have 8,800 views
@@JDVG_Comedy_Videos what the hell makes you think universal would do well with them 🤣 Sony didn’t handle the Muppets well for one, not even slightly. But Disney produced the most successful Muppets film of all time. You guys cut Disney so much of the great things they’ve done it’s ridiculous
Man, I never really put it together, but seeing Frank Oz's interview totally confirms to me that Steve was only fired because he wanted the Muppet performers to have creative control over the Muppets and because he didn't back down when Disney told him no, they fired him and dragged his name through the mud to justify their decision.
Pretty much with disney, their way or the highway. I hate how a greedy companies treats their ipsbas just an object and not a work of passion.
Yeah I know disney is a for profit company but they way they been handling ips they bought such as the muppets and star war is just sickening.
@@BananaReidy it’s shitty af
I'm always willing to support someone who understands the real value of the muppets
While it's easy to look at the Muppets and see it as a major franchise that Disney wants to capitalize on NOW, that ignores The Muppets own tumultuous past and mixed success throughout the years. I think what Disney doesn't get is the reason The Muppets work is because they tried and failed a lot. If they aren't given the chance to do that, they can't do what works.
Honestly, the 2011 sitcom seemed like such a good opportunity to really explore the characters and develop a style with them that would work for Disney. I can't believe they abandoned it so quickly when it had so much potential.
I agree, the sitcom series had its issues, but had it been given at least another series it could have developed and became something great
I think your mixing up the release of the “The Muppets” (The movie) and “The Muppets.” (The tv show).
The saddest part to me about the 2015 sitcom is that it JUST started to improve in the last few episodes (though I believe the whole series is nice, the last few episodes after the writing change is really when the series starts to be "The Muppets" again), they cancelled it due to the response to the earlier episodes. So much wasted potential.
Kind of reminds me of what happened with Disney and Power Rangers!
Disney has become a spoiler, destroying anything and everything the company touches. The magic of Disney is gone.
So, basically, it's the corporate equivalent of the Tasmanian Devil from Looney Tunes.
Only real muppet fans know about Muppets at Disney Land, but what I’m saying is Disney+ should put Muppets at Disney Land on there because it’s frickin Disney and the Muppets are going to their park!
Man your videos are brilliant! Love that one of your main focuses is on The Muppets 💖 Any fan has mixed feelings about the sale of beloved characters, and their disconnection from their original creator, but if it had gone as planned with Jim surviving, I really wish we’d gotten to see what he would have done with his new-found time and creative freedom, and major funds, from the sale. That footage of him on the Arsenio Hall Show BREAKS me, because it was only days after that appearance that he passed away. He even jokes about having a “frog in his throat” because he already had the beginnings of the pneumonia that stole him from us 💔
Thank you! Yes I often think a universe with Jim Henson still in it would be a better one, though his influence will always be present no matter what...
This is a wonderful retrospective. I can tell you really did your research! Glad to know people still care about my franchise! If I was still apart of the series I would hire you to be our franchise organizer! :D
Muppets 2011 was a fun movie, & upon look back, it was kinda like a kid version of the first Blues Brothers movie.
This reminds of what happened with Disney and Power Rangers!
Also Reelz's Autopsy really needs to do an episode about Jim Henson!
(#348) The muppets are so nostalgic to a lot of generations. They need to see that they have to work with the puppeteers and possibly bring back Steve Whitmyer.
I feel like the muppets franchise has become so soul less now… especially with recent attempts made to revive the brand by Disney (Muppet Babies 2018, & Muppets Now!) it lacks the magic & charm of the steve whitmire days, & it feels corporate.
They should've make the muppets be a tv show on Disney channel where The Muppets be themselves scahes, guest stars and maybe some holiday specals
I wish they'd continued something in the style of the 2015 "The Muppets" TV series. "Muppets Now" isn't really the type of show I was hoping for.
I feel like it'd be perfect for today's landscape on Disney+, but without Steve Whitmire as Kermit I'm not sure it would be the same.
Who would dislike this
also you are under rated
Thank you 😊
Man, Disney really doesn't seem to care about The Muppets. I mean think about it, they cancelled any possible future muppet movies just because of Most Wanted not doing the best at the box office, the 2015/2016 TV show gets mixed reviews, show cancelled, and they fired Whitmire basically just for not liking the way Disney was treating The Muppets. And this is coming from the same studio that just keeps on making awful live action remakes. And I think we can all agree that all muppet movies are better than Disney live action remakes.
Did I mention that they cancelled ABC's The Muppets because of mixed reviews. But they seem fine to make remakes that are mostly hated.
They cancelled ABC's the muppets because of low ratings, not mixed reviews
3:36 i heard that Fox and Saban Entertainment were interested in buying the Company
Ironic you mention Saban Entertainment now that Hasbro owns Power Rangers. A property that’s one of the rare big name ip’s I can think of to get away from the House of Mouse.
I wish this Disney deal never happened, when Jim Henson and the original performers were around, the Muppets were in good hands, So was Sesame Street and the creature films
What would happen if Disney bought Sesame Workshop and the entire Jim Henson Company?
@@lexramstudios1386 then they’d own Sesame Street, Fraggle Rock, and every other Muppet production produced if not mistaking. Which with things turned around and the original Muppet performers got more control over the Muppets like we all want, and Disney’s marketing skills would probably result in the most successful and Jim Henson Muppet soul revitalizing era of the Muppets ever. But alas, this is my fantasy
But it doesn’t have to be a fantasy, necessarily. If Steve were rehired and Oz’s ideas were offered and experienced muppeteers actually had freedom with regard to how the Muppets are performed (or at least good writers who understood and duplicated the original soul of the Muppets lmao), it could become true…
keep it up mate
this content is great
Thanks, means a lot! 😀
Keep it up mate, the content is great. It’s not second rate, but rather first ra-okay I’ll stop with the rhyming 😂
@@FreeSpiritPaulette i want more rapping
@@b8c0n15 😂 cheers
I don't think Brian ever wanted the burden of The Muppets as a franchise.
(#348) OMG I Love Jim Henson and Mr Whitmore as Kermit!!!
I Love The Muppets!!!
R.I.P J•H
Buying some intellectual property to make it disappear isn’t the first time.
Great video 👍 keep it up
Thanks, really appreciate it!
@@SomeBoiOnline no problem
Still don't get why the best Muppets movies Muppets From Space & Muppets Take Manhattan aren't on Disney+. I'm chuffed that their rendition of The Christmas Carol {which I would probably place ahead of Take Manhattan in my personal ranking} is, cause I can watch it on Xmas Eve. But the other two being missing feels very odd.
Sony owns those two films.
Indiana Jones more or less met the same fate.
Frank Oz knew what was going to happen when Disney acquired the Muppets so he'd rather leave than be in that bs.
Uh…no, he left a full 3 years before the Disney acquisition. You watched the video, right? Disney’s been more successful than the Muppets than any other company producing (as I’ve stated numerously before) the most successful Muppet film ever. They’re not perfect, there are a lot of flaws, but nothing they’ve done with the Muppets has been any worse than Sony, Nick or Viacom or WB with Sesame Street
Come on The Muppets weren’t abandoned by Disney
I’m just gonna say this but I don’t want Disney to buy the Sesame Street brand.
They belong to Sesame Workshop, the downside is Kermit doesn't appear on SS anymore and vice versa!
Personally, I hope that the horrible Disney company drops The Muppets so someone who loves them as much as we do can buy them cheaply and get them back on track.
Jim wanted them to go to Disney, and Disney produced their most successful movie (and it was thoroughly enjoyable, along with its sequel that was also more successful than other Muppet movies while not having been a hit). Give them credit for that at least, I don’t get people’s endless hate towards Disney. They could definitely do better, but it’s not a “horrible company”
Frank Oz himself even said it
@@FreeSpiritPaulette
There are different points here.
Regarding Disney being a horrible company, perhaps you should research their / his history. Perhaps you already have have and still believe I’m wrong? That’s fine. We are all entitled to our opinions, and it seems we are both supported in ours.
Growing up, Disney made some of my favourite films (for years I wished Mickey’s Once Upon A Christmas would be released on DVD after my VHS tape wore out, The Fox and The Hound was another favourite, as was of course, The Muppets Christmas Carol……) and it has to be said that the story telling and production of their work has always been excellent.
The second point being, Disney is a globalist company, and like their peers, they take something loved, spin their magic, pocket a small fortune before dropping the idea into purgatory in favour of the next new thing and the next fortune. There is nothing wrong with turning a modest profit, indeed it is essential for businesses to survive, and that usually includes finding “the next new thing”.
The issue is that once they own the copyright and dump the idea, this effectively stops anyone else from running with it. In this case Kermit and Co.
That said, in this fast asleep, socially engineered, “woke” age, perhaps they are better not making a coming back. That way we can remember them in their glory.
It’s a sad situation either way eh?
Personally I think the last good Muppet movie was Muppets:Most wanted
@@tstdystopmotions there hasn’t been a movie since then so what do mean the last good movie
What's the name of the song at the beginning, sounds like a sonic song
It's the staff roll from Super Mario Galaxy 2.
We don’t talk about Muppets Wizard of Oz.....we just don’t
I'd say there's been worse... At least Kermit still has his actual voice, for instance.
that was the only way I knew the muppets for a pretty long time XD
2011 one was good
I don’t understand was Sesame Street originally part of the same company as the muppets? And then they became there own company right? And are they still there own company?
Yes that's correct. They were originally Henson's, then Disney took the Muppets but wasn't allowed Sesame Street - so they became their own thing.
@@SomeBoiOnline it’s kinda sad Sesame Street was split from the muppets I mean I’m not saying there should be an Elmo movie or Elmo in a muppets move or Kermit the frog doing a movie with Elmo any time soon or at all I don’t feel to strongly but whatever. I don’t know about that but I’m just saying Kermit the frog appearing on Sesame Street again with Elmo should happen again but legally can’t happen it’s sad. Although this is coming from a guy who is not a kid doesn’t watch Sesame Street knows no kid who does or any kid for that matter and when there’s a new muppets movie and or tv show I’m like ok? And your point is? And or this affects my life how? And or I should care why? And or it’s important how? And don’t watch it but just the idea of it happening I mean I would like that I don’t like when companies get there ips split up I mean look at marvel they STILL can’t make another hulk movie she hulk legally has to be tv not a movie they don’t own the rights to Namor completely and that’s just when it comes to what universal studios owns. There’s Sony who own Spider-Man (well movie spider man not tv comic or merch and they like half own the rights to video game spider man I mean spider man video games do make marvel money and spider man in the avengers game but only for PS4 and I mean I think they want Spider-Man game off of PlayStation but legally can’t do that just know they as in Sony have some spider man rights in the form of complete movie rights and some but not all video game rights) I mean they don’t play that nice with Disney either I mean at least they let him into the mcu but like? They can’t use venom in the mcu no matter how much they want. Also if they didn’t buy out fox they still wouldn’t have the rights to the X-men or fantastic four or whatever else fox had. At one point even more was sold off. I’m happy Sony did not accept the entire mcu and instead went for spider man instead I mean come on there would be no mcu if they did. I know it’s a different situation with one wanting to be apart of the other like the muppets wanting to be apart of Disney and Sesame Street by if I understand this correctly one of the creators not both but o s of them not wanting it to be part of Disney and no one at marvel wanting to sell the rights off Stan lee wishing he could keep them and hating what was done with fantastic four. But my point is it’s sad that when IPs that were part of the same company and or owned by the same person and or created by the same person and or were in stories together and not just as a promotional seeking point like that one time dc and marvel had comics together get split up I would honestly like Sesame Street to come back together with the muppets just like how everyone except at Sony and universal want the rights marvel still doesn’t have to come back to them.
@@rebelcommander7starwarsjur922 what if Disney tries to buy Sesame Workshop and The Jim Henson Company?
@@lexramstudios1386 honestly would be ok with that
Sesame Street itself has always been owned by Sesame Workshop (formerly CTW), but the characters themselves were owned by Henson, with merchandising revenue split between the two parties. The characters and this revenue were not to be included in the Disney deal of 1989/90, but were included in the EMTV deal of 2000, until EMTV, under financial strain, sold the complete rights to the Sesame Muppets to Sesame Workshop in late 2000. Then in 2003, EMTV sold Henson back to the Hensons, who then sold the main Muppet franchise to Disney a year later.
Yet bbbh is not on disney plus
Yes it is.
@@Asukenick not in the us
@@thenonfictionalexplainer952 I looked it's there.
Fun fact Seasomie street Is owned by Warner brother
Sesame Street is in fact owned by Sesame Workshop, but Warner Bros. do own the distribution rights.
*Sesame Street. How do you butcher the name
@@SomeBoiOnline it is Sesame Street but Warner bros does not own the distribution rights to the series, that is the responsibility of sesame workshop ending on HBO’s end card when the episodes are on HBO, only sesame workshops own when it is in re runs on PBS kids
But it will be owning the distribution rights for the forthcoming movie for sesame workshop who owns the brand, this movie will be the fourth time out theatrically and second overall distributed by Warner bros and first since 1989 as this will owned by WarnerMedia LLC/AT&T
It is a lease between hbo max and pbs kids on show where hbo max will own all first run rights to the episodes through 2025, pbs kids holds the re run rights to the episodes 9 months after that
The exception is anything featuring julia in a prominent role, if she is both can have her bypassing the 9 months
@@stevenjordan3839 Sesame Street ALWAYS belong to the Sesame Workshop, it's their show!
@@haileyshannon7548 yes the property will always belong to sesame workshop, I am referring to the programs current lease/share agreement is all
I hate hate hate hate hate Disney
I love the old animated films but I’m desguted by how big it got