The guy berates the car in the 1st half and then on the 2nd half says it’s amazing and completely says the opposite on several points he made earlier. Need Chris Harris to do these types of reviews.
Oh come on. If you haven't learnt that this is absolutely standard Top Gear format (Harris included) by now then you've not been watching close enough. It's either first 50% total negative, second 50% creaming their jeans over how great it is, OR the exact reverse. Predictable as the sun rising most days.
@@patrickf2386 it’s about 15 grand cheaper than a new GT3 and won’t offer that much more straight line speed. And straight line speed isn’t even remotely the point of the GT3, and in fact the CSL. This CSL is nothing compared to the current GT3
I just built a regular 911, and a GT3 on the options order of the CSL: $148,000 for the 911, and $230,000 for the regular GT3. There's really no such thing as a non-purpose-built 911. Even the base 911 is designed as a pure sports car from the get-go. I'm frankly amazed that BMW can make a G20 do what the CSL does. Not matter how much $ they throw at it, it's a street car.
The M2 CS is basically a CSL, it’s at light as you can get the car and still make it road usable. Top gear didn’t think they did enough, they just hate BMW.
@@flavourinyourear 1525 kg with the stupid OPF . I just removed that stupid thing and added an Akra . Now the car is at 1490kg . M2 CS , Manual , ccb . If it had a lighter seats , and battery , it could easily be at 1430kg . Thats super light for a car made in 2020. Its not heavy.
I'm always skeptical of reviews where the journalist has opinions that are drastically different from those that other journalists seem to have. And it's odd that he goes on about the gearbox when BMW says its faster than the double clutch that was in the previous M4 GTS.. Maybe it's all in his head.
BMW says many things but this 8speed simply doesnt downshift good enough and I know many people who thinks the same. For sports driving, previous DCT was much better.
So many things wrong in this review its unbelievable. The CSL engine is based on the GT4 engine not the standard road car, the head is different and is 3D printed because of the complexity of the oil and water ways. The wheels, exhaust, and seats are bespoke to the CSL and can't be ordered for the standard M3/4. The £300 heritage badges, includes the wheels, bonnet and boot. The traction control has 10 settings, and 5 of these are pro settings not available in the standard car. I do agree the DCT would have been nice, but even that would need better gear changes as the M2 Comp I had the DCT had its issues.
I'm sorry but the first half of this review doesn't make any sense and has nothing to do with the truth. The CSL on the road feels completely different to an M4C. It feels more urgent and lighter. I'm not sure if the reviewer drove an M4C recently.
@@khaledaborashed9392 ive had many bmw friends with 335is f80s etc and never has there been a problem with the dct. not sure where u got that from but dct is just as reliable, faster, and way more fun than any auto.
I want the 620r treatment to an m4. M4 GTS < M4 GT4 Just barely street legal, less than or close to 3300lbs, some sweet aero, now that would get my attention.
I remember an interview BMW’s head of m gave about 5 years ago when he left for Kia, saying BMW have shifted Ms focus from engineering to marketing because they had cut the engineering division and increased the marketing division. This could be the result of that.
@@MurseTech64 The point of this car is very important, the actually of the car is completely eclipsed by the i4 M50. This needs to be much lighter. It's not even as light as the previous m4
I have owned an E30 M3 Sport Evo and an E46 CSL and both were exciting to drive and very LIGHT. This new M4 CSL is too heavy to wear that CSL badge. Why didn't they bring out an M2 CSL?
Yes the M3 CSL was comparable to the 911 GT3 at the time. But since then, Porsche gained about 50kg - 55kg of weight. While BMW gained about 240kg - a quarter of a tonne. Ofcourse it's no longer comparable. M3/M4 was forced to go down the autobahn blitzer road (no pun intended), as the competitors from Mercedes and Audi are in that straight line performance sector too. Hence why the M4 CSL has WAY more bhp than a 911 GT3 and even GT3 RS. its a tad under 600bhp on the dyno. Officially 543. While Porsche does 502bhp. With the RS doing 518bhp. To put into perspective..that's barely any more than previous gen C63 AMG. The 0-60 times reflect this too as the other Germans are around 3.3 - 3.5s. While porsche is around 3.9s. In other words it would kill the Porsche in a drag race as that's what it's supposed to do. Even supercars would have a run for their money as its older brother, the M5 is a literal super car killer. Porsche has the advantage on track. The current M4 CSL therefore isn't a downgrade. The M3 CSL was simply punching way above its weight as a family saloon car platform, competing with a sports car platform both on track and on the straight. But you can argue..for that reason, does it really deserve the "L" in CSL? No it doesn't. It should have been a "CS". The "L" was marketing tactics.
Having a e46 M3, I still wish it was lighter, tighter, and faster. Seeing what they did with the M4 CSL, I’m in agreement with the review. Instead of the CSL I would buy an M4 Competition with x drive and modify that.
DAMN, BETTER LOOK FOR A CHRIS HARRIS VIDEO!! Schizo Review Right Here!!!! It's not good enough TO --> We Loved it!! And ZF 8 speed in my 4 is damn good, I need a trust-worthy motor journalist's opinion instead of a team of writers that use a PRO vs CON list. I hate it when they talk shit about a vehicle then go on to say how much fun it was to drive. Independent Journalists are so much better
Remember when light cars were light? More Evora, T.50, and Speirling and fewer monsters covered in "light" badges. All these manufacturers doing Ronnie Coleman impressions need to get with the program. Imagine the 1600KG M4 CSL in an actual light spec.
did they put a mic down near the gearbox, or is that the normal *thud* sound for every upshift (in the cabin)? I can imagine if it were being driven as a "road car first", it'd get fairly tiresome.
For the price, I can buy an M2 competition, remove the backseat, then add a roll cage if I wanted, better suspension, brakes, more power, and still be under what the M4 CSL would cost.
Absolutely bang on! Ollie is 100% correcto-mundo: wrong car BMW. What is it with beemer being consistently way off the mark for the last 10 yes?! This M4 drives awesome, imagine what they could have done with the Z4 or M2?
The whole company vision is split between the traditionalists and the electric vehicle people. The whole i series basically took significant resources from the more traditional BMW development and they still haven't unified on a company wide vision. They are going to be designing all their vehicles to support both ICE and electric power-trains. Which is probably going to be a disaster tbh.
The review might be better if you don't constantly berate the car at the beginning of said review! I'm not a fanboy. I don't like what they've done to the grill. But I know it's a capable car!
Owned an E46 CSL. Was light, and benefits over the standard car were engine mods and intake in carbon etc. don’t see the CSL is reborn here. Devalues the CSL moniker I feel.
I thought CSL stood for Competition Sport Lightweight, at the top of the the hierarchy with CS (Competition Sport) and Competition below it? Although in the case of the M4, CSL stands for Marketing Exercise…
Lightweight is subjective i believe .. what was light 50 yrs ago ? 700-800kg ? What was light 20 yrs ago? 1400kgs ? Well , thats what light is in 2022.. much more tech , bigger cars , safer cars .. its subjective . But i get your point , i hoped they did a better job with that one tho..
The last proper M4s were F82 M4CS and GTS, wonderfully looking, DCT and weight around 1500kg, CSL is all about the power and it's heavy like a bus. Can't see anything special about this car with exception of price of course 😂 Great review!
I agree it’s too heavy. They didn’t go far enough on the weight reduction. Why no option for carbon fiber wheels? Light weight glass. Carbon fiber drive shaft. M4 GTS door cards etc.
Why is there an identity question? It is clearly a track focused M4 designed to boost the M4 badge. The Germans don't expect you to order one unless you were looking to modify your standard M4 anyways.
Its a good buy. Add all the carbon fiber to a GT3. Add 100K market adjustment and this will seem like a bargain. Its will also holds its value and likely appreciate better then GT3 due to very limited numbers. Sorry the haters know they have no access to this car. This was a bad biased review. I guess Top gear doesn’t care about comprehensive reviews now.
I really do not understand auto journalists. Let me explain. I own a GT-R (4,000 lbs.) and a Mini Cooper (2,800). I have driven both during driving violent rainstorms with heavy crosswinds. Guess which car felt safer and more stable on the road? Guess which one felt safer when I was driving with lorries and other heavy trucks around me? Also I’ve driven a Lotus Elise and it was the most unsafe car I’ve ever driven. It felt slight and insubstantial especially at speed on the highway. So I don’t get how auto journalists are so laser focused on low weight when outside of a track, that makes no difference. For the everyday driver, weight is underrated. No they do not want 5,000 lbs. urban tanks but most drivers want a substantial car with a safe amount of weight for everyday driving. Oh and most drivers do not want Cup 2 tires that cannot grip in rain and must be replaced every 1,000 miles. Most drivers will never visit a racetrack and most owners of this new CSL will drive it on the weekends to show off on Rodeo Drive or keep it as a garage queen to flip and resell in 10-20 years. Oh and the appalling nostrils on this car are still horrifically ugly.
We need Chris to review this car the guy who reviewed it did not do justice he complained about the weight and then said it's not the weight it's the front-end grip, look we know the car is heavy but even a normal m4 which is heavier is having enough power to deal with the weight even the suspension is amazing and incase you don't want to take my word for it watch Chris harris review of the m3
Yeah sounds like he loved the car, just doesn’t like that it’s called a CSL. Last CSL had a gearbox everyone hated, they just liked that it was a high revving NA engine.
Take it to Nurburgring so we can see your skills there with this machine .... should go under 7 min. on a lap I guess with a skilled driver - and with a proper wing wow you can absolutely go under 7 min
We will never see the weight savings the previous M models possessed. With heavy dual clutch systems and clunky driver assisted firmware it's technically impossible until a new lightweight carbon graphene matrix composite is used.
Someone didn't do thier research for this video..... The C stands for competition not coupe!! So that would suggest Track first road second, which is straight from the press release .... They also neglected to mention it's pumping 70hp and 100NM more than the standard m4, and that he 100kg weight loss is compared to the m4 competition, not the standard m4. He also says M3 twice in his comparison comments, which is poor editting.
I imagine the reason for giving the new M4 the CSL treatment was to up the appeal of the whole package. Make some people forgive how ugly it is because it’s shape now holds the latest legendary CSL badge.
Yep, all you gotta do these days is to heavily limit production artificially and people will pay ANY price for it and store them away to make even more money with it. These aren´t cars for true car enthusiasts and they were never meant to be. They´re basically just art collectibles at this point.
Because BMW wanted to justify that cost cutting measure. Racers complain about the new gearbox constantly, go search M240R Sachs performance zf8, watch their vids.
Are these cars only for people with 50 cars? I can’t image why anyone would spend 130k on an M4 in 2022 when there are dozens of other way faster, better looking, and better driving cars.
Yes. The few ppl I’ve talked to that ordered one already have an M2 CS, 911, family car(s). All but one paid a markup too. I think it’s dumb, still ugly and way overpriced and I own 2 M’s. Plus the E46 CSL still had a usable back seat, this doesn’t. Should have been called a GTS.
Business men with a brain. It's a limited edition car and an appreciating asset that just needs to sit in the garage. While other cars at £120k are depreciating liabilities.
Since when is a CSL supposed to be a good road car? It's made for the track. The E46 CSL didn't even have A/C. You admit that this car is good on track so just say it's good and stop trying to invent criticism.
Amazing good looking car but too heavy for the Racetrack. I think an Porsche GT4RS or GT3RS is better for Trackies. The BMW M4 CSL is mor the GT. For the German Autobahn you have the Power and a wonderful Body from the Car. Dreamcar for me.
They should have given it a party trick. An airbox, a unique driving mode, special exhaust etc. Something unique to the CSL. This looks like a M3 csl wannabe, lazy effort parts bin M car. And to sacrifice the CSL badge for this is a missed opportunity
what a contrasting video...1str half of slamming the spec on paper and decisions based on opinion, and 2nd half letting the car and its performance speak for itself
The CSL is not extreme enough, it's too slow, too MEH, it needs more power (550hp), it needs less weight (-300kg) but keep the looks, it needs to be on par with a Porsche 992 GT3.
Great review. Someone that opens up about the pros and cons! Agree BMW should have applied the CSL formula to the M2. Missed this opportunity with the F87. Can’t apply this to the G87 M2 considering it looks like Lego and it’s heritage starts in Mexico 🇲🇽 😅
No idea what’s going on with BMW these days?! Just like Ford - dropping the Fiesta (which is a mistake) BMW are just whacking a CSL badge on a car which doesn’t suit the name. As he says the M2 would be epic in CSL guise. Strange decisions being made in the car world 🤔🤷🏻
Dear Top Gear....can only Chris Harris review performance cars...him only..only him...
I STRONGLY Agree!!!
Or Tiff Needell
@@hjkk.4681 Oh yes! Good Call!!!
Agreed
You forgot about him and also him has a nice personality
The guy berates the car in the 1st half and then on the 2nd half says it’s amazing and completely says the opposite on several points he made earlier. Need Chris Harris to do these types of reviews.
True
As soon as I saw it was him. I clicked off. Chris Harris please..
Well, he says it’s amazing on track and not on the road, so not a proper csl. Can’t say if I agree, but he seems coherent to me
low IQ take.
good car. just not befitting of the CSL badge
Oh come on. If you haven't learnt that this is absolutely standard Top Gear format (Harris included) by now then you've not been watching close enough. It's either first 50% total negative, second 50% creaming their jeans over how great it is, OR the exact reverse. Predictable as the sun rising most days.
Crazy to think that the E46 CSL held its own against the GT3rs at the time. This isn’t even in the same league as the equivalent 911 now…
It actually offers more straight line speed for pretty much half the price of a new 911 GT3...
@@patrickf2386 Thats just the GT3 when the GT3 RS is out CSL is DONE
@@patrickf2386 Yes but straight line speed is just nothing a gt3 rs owner would brag about ever. it's the 2.5G in the corner where it's at
@@patrickf2386 it’s about 15 grand cheaper than a new GT3 and won’t offer that much more straight line speed. And straight line speed isn’t even remotely the point of the GT3, and in fact the CSL. This CSL is nothing compared to the current GT3
@@napalmhotdog4365 That's basically what Pat said but with less words...
I just built a regular 911, and a GT3 on the options order of the CSL: $148,000 for the 911, and $230,000 for the regular GT3. There's really no such thing as a non-purpose-built 911. Even the base 911 is designed as a pure sports car from the get-go.
I'm frankly amazed that BMW can make a G20 do what the CSL does. Not matter how much $ they throw at it, it's a street car.
He says the M2 is lighter and should have gotten the CSL treatment....while it weighs exactly the same as the M4 😅
Think he meant the previous gen F87 M2
The M2 CS is basically a CSL, it’s at light as you can get the car and still make it road usable. Top gear didn’t think they did enough, they just hate BMW.
@@Viperjet9 the previous gen also weighed the same as the pre gen M4
@@flavourinyourear 1525 kg with the stupid OPF . I just removed that stupid thing and added an Akra . Now the car is at 1490kg . M2 CS , Manual , ccb . If it had a lighter seats , and battery , it could easily be at 1430kg . Thats super light for a car made in 2020. Its not heavy.
@@Misanoblue can you pass the MOT?
Does he not realize the m2 weighs almost the same as the m4
This argument of his also baffled me. It’s almost like he didn’t do his research before arriving at his conclusion 🤔
Ignorance. This is why no one respects TG anymore.
@@DiveshRSA He's talking about the F87 of which BMW made 1 off CSL concept, not the upcoming M2
On a dyno, the CSL actually makes 596 hp instead of 550 hp, & 720 Nm of Torque instead of 650.
BMW used to do a few things, well. Now it does many things, with 50% success.
I'm always skeptical of reviews where the journalist has opinions that are drastically different from those that other journalists seem to have. And it's odd that he goes on about the gearbox when BMW says its faster than the double clutch that was in the previous M4 GTS.. Maybe it's all in his head.
BMW says many things but this 8speed simply doesnt downshift good enough and I know many people who thinks the same. For sports driving, previous DCT was much better.
So many things wrong in this review its unbelievable. The CSL engine is based on the GT4 engine not the standard road car, the head is different and is 3D printed because of the complexity of the oil and water ways. The wheels, exhaust, and seats are bespoke to the CSL and can't be ordered for the standard M3/4. The £300 heritage badges, includes the wheels, bonnet and boot. The traction control has 10 settings, and 5 of these are pro settings not available in the standard car. I do agree the DCT would have been nice, but even that would need better gear changes as the M2 Comp I had the DCT had its issues.
I'm sorry but the first half of this review doesn't make any sense and has nothing to do with the truth. The CSL on the road feels completely different to an M4C. It feels more urgent and lighter. I'm not sure if the reviewer drove an M4C recently.
You never pleased either the 8 speed auto or DCT transmission were fitted.
I think the BMW 8 speed is the best transmission out there.
DCT is better in every way except for comfort driving on the road
@@chasemoneyy And break down.
@@khaledaborashed9392 ive had many bmw friends with 335is f80s etc and never has there been a problem with the dct. not sure where u got that from but dct is just as reliable, faster, and way more fun than any auto.
@@chasemoneyy Well i am sure they are much more reliable than the VW group DTC transmission 😂
Its perfect for 5 series diesel, not for M4. Previous DCT was much better.
I want the 620r treatment to an m4.
M4 GTS < M4 GT4
Just barely street legal, less than or close to 3300lbs, some sweet aero, now that would get my attention.
The lack of body roll is incredible for a heavy car like that.
I remember an interview BMW’s head of m gave about 5 years ago when he left for Kia, saying BMW have shifted Ms focus from engineering to marketing because they had cut the engineering division and increased the marketing division. This could be the result of that.
Limited production model, CSL badge.. Its an appreciating asset and a valuable investment
Doesn’t CSL stand for
Competition
Sport
Lightweight
Where’d this guy get coupé from?
Sooo nobody gonna talk about that loud blow off valve in the background !? 🤯
i4 M50 is faster. I'm struggling to see the point of this car.
@@MurseTech64 The point of this car is very important, the actually of the car is completely eclipsed by the i4 M50.
This needs to be much lighter. It's not even as light as the previous m4
@@MurseTech64 yeah only on straight line for 0-100 then it loses and M4 CSL is way better at the track and for spirited driving…
I love this M4 CSL. It's perfect 🖤🏁😎
I have owned an E30 M3 Sport Evo and an E46 CSL and both were exciting to drive and very LIGHT. This new M4 CSL is too heavy to wear that CSL badge. Why didn't they bring out an M2 CSL?
Yes the M3 CSL was comparable to the 911 GT3 at the time.
But since then, Porsche gained about 50kg - 55kg of weight. While BMW gained about 240kg - a quarter of a tonne.
Ofcourse it's no longer comparable. M3/M4 was forced to go down the autobahn blitzer road (no pun intended), as the competitors from Mercedes and Audi are in that straight line performance sector too.
Hence why the M4 CSL has WAY more bhp than a 911 GT3 and even GT3 RS. its a tad under 600bhp on the dyno. Officially 543. While Porsche does 502bhp. With the RS doing 518bhp. To put into perspective..that's barely any more than previous gen C63 AMG. The 0-60 times reflect this too as the other Germans are around 3.3 - 3.5s. While porsche is around 3.9s. In other words it would kill the Porsche in a drag race as that's what it's supposed to do. Even supercars would have a run for their money as its older brother, the M5 is a literal super car killer.
Porsche has the advantage on track. The current M4 CSL therefore isn't a downgrade. The M3 CSL was simply punching way above its weight as a family saloon car platform, competing with a sports car platform both on track and on the straight.
But you can argue..for that reason, does it really deserve the "L" in CSL? No it doesn't. It should have been a "CS". The "L" was marketing tactics.
I would get a Z06 over this easy choice
Go buy one then.
Maybe he will . Why u sound mad bmw fangirl
You couldn’t afford either that’s ok
@@ivanweapon1196 the only one who’s mad is you lmao can’t afford neither car quit d riding
All three of you sound so childish
Having a e46 M3, I still wish it was lighter, tighter, and faster.
Seeing what they did with the M4 CSL, I’m in agreement with the review.
Instead of the CSL I would buy an M4 Competition with x drive and modify that.
DAMN, BETTER LOOK FOR A CHRIS HARRIS VIDEO!! Schizo Review Right Here!!!! It's not good enough TO --> We Loved it!! And ZF 8 speed in my 4 is damn good, I need a trust-worthy motor journalist's opinion instead of a team of writers that use a PRO vs CON list. I hate it when they talk shit about a vehicle then go on to say how much fun it was to drive. Independent Journalists are so much better
For real..top gear need to assign Chris for performance cars
@@giftfrez9166 Chris Harris did not like the ZF8 either, too slow compared to M-DCT of F8x.
Honest review. But you can't take weight out of the M2 either. It's densest car in existence.
the m2 has back seats the m4 csl doesn’t
Remember when light cars were light? More Evora, T.50, and Speirling and fewer monsters covered in "light" badges. All these manufacturers doing Ronnie Coleman impressions need to get with the program. Imagine the 1600KG M4 CSL in an actual light spec.
It's more powerful and got loads of torque, ever since the E90 gen, BMW lost me with the body, I'm still feeling the engines though.
did they put a mic down near the gearbox, or is that the normal *thud* sound for every upshift (in the cabin)?
I can imagine if it were being driven as a "road car first", it'd get fairly tiresome.
BMW's ZF give a little FART on Up-Shifts in Sport+ mode
For the price, I can buy an M2 competition, remove the backseat, then add a roll cage if I wanted, better suspension, brakes, more power, and still be under what the M4 CSL would cost.
Absolutely bang on! Ollie is 100% correcto-mundo: wrong car BMW. What is it with beemer being consistently way off the mark for the last 10 yes?! This M4 drives awesome, imagine what they could have done with the Z4 or M2?
The whole company vision is split between the traditionalists and the electric vehicle people. The whole i series basically took significant resources from the more traditional BMW development and they still haven't unified on a company wide vision. They are going to be designing all their vehicles to support both ICE and electric power-trains. Which is probably going to be a disaster tbh.
The review might be better if you don't constantly berate the car at the beginning of said review! I'm not a fanboy. I don't like what they've done to the grill. But I know it's a capable car!
With 120k, I'll get something I can look back at as I walk away...🤢🤮
BMW FROM 1988...ciao e liberi fino all'ultimo respiro ♾️
Owned an E46 CSL. Was light, and benefits over the standard car were engine mods and intake in carbon etc. don’t see the CSL is reborn here. Devalues the CSL moniker I feel.
second I hear Chirs Harris isnt doing the review, im closing the video- always
Current M4 and M2 are both too heavy to deserve the CSL badge, should let CSL be a standalone model.
I thought CSL stood for Competition Sport Lightweight, at the top of the the hierarchy with CS (Competition Sport) and Competition below it? Although in the case of the M4, CSL stands for Marketing Exercise…
Lightweight is subjective i believe .. what was light 50 yrs ago ? 700-800kg ? What was light 20 yrs ago? 1400kgs ? Well , thats what light is in 2022.. much more tech , bigger cars , safer cars .. its subjective . But i get your point , i hoped they did a better job with that one tho..
You are correct. It is Competition Sport Lightweight and not Coupe. Top Gear needs to do a bit more research before presenting.
@@silverathlon e9 csl - the very first csl and a homologation car at that it stood for coupe sport lightweight
@@diltd3989 correct but in this context it's competition.
I've always felt like the G82 is too big of a car to be a coupe. Love the size a G80 though. F82 was the best size for an M4 in my opinion.
The last proper M4s were F82 M4CS and GTS, wonderfully looking, DCT and weight around 1500kg, CSL is all about the power and it's heavy like a bus. Can't see anything special about this car with exception of price of course 😂
Great review!
I agree it’s too heavy. They didn’t go far enough on the weight reduction. Why no option for carbon fiber wheels? Light weight glass. Carbon fiber drive shaft. M4 GTS door cards etc.
Um... Those were the first M4s 😂😂 so yes it would be the last M4s as well.
I own an M4 CS in San Marino Blue with all the toys inc CC Brakes, and I wouldn't swap it for one of these.
Why is there an identity question?
It is clearly a track focused M4 designed to boost the M4 badge. The Germans don't expect you to order one unless you were looking to modify your standard M4 anyways.
Its a good buy. Add all the carbon fiber to a GT3. Add 100K market adjustment and this will seem like a bargain. Its will also holds its value and likely appreciate better then GT3 due to very limited numbers. Sorry the haters know they have no access to this car. This was a bad biased review. I guess Top gear doesn’t care about comprehensive reviews now.
I really do not understand auto journalists. Let me explain.
I own a GT-R (4,000 lbs.) and a Mini Cooper (2,800). I have driven both during driving violent rainstorms with heavy crosswinds. Guess which car felt safer and more stable on the road? Guess which one felt safer when I was driving with lorries and other heavy trucks around me? Also I’ve driven a Lotus Elise and it was the most unsafe car I’ve ever driven. It felt slight and insubstantial especially at speed on the highway. So I don’t get how auto journalists are so laser focused on low weight when outside of a track, that makes no difference.
For the everyday driver, weight is underrated. No they do not want 5,000 lbs. urban tanks but most drivers want a substantial car with a safe amount of weight for everyday driving. Oh and most drivers do not want Cup 2 tires that cannot grip in rain and must be replaced every 1,000 miles. Most drivers will never visit a racetrack and most owners of this new CSL will drive it on the weekends to show off on Rodeo Drive or keep it as a garage queen to flip and resell in 10-20 years.
Oh and the appalling nostrils on this car are still horrifically ugly.
TG I appreciate the honesty in this
BMW M4 GTS is with no doubt BMW’s Ultimate track car!!
We need Chris to review this car the guy who reviewed it did not do justice he complained about the weight and then said it's not the weight it's the front-end grip, look we know the car is heavy but even a normal m4 which is heavier is having enough power to deal with the weight even the suspension is amazing and incase you don't want to take my word for it watch Chris harris review of the m3
You can see the moment Ollie gets the CSL - and it’s once he starts ragging the daylights out of it.
The new M2 is built on the same platform as the M3/M4 and weighs practically the same did he do any research 😂
Obviously he meant the first generation M2 , since at the time of filming this video , the G87 M2 wasnt even released.
@@Misanoblue when was this filmed
@@Misanoblue they did what they could with that platform with the M2CS which was the pinnacle of that platform imo
Still hate that front end!
He started saying something and ended up saying the opposite ! I didn’t understand him honestly , we need Chris Harris !
Yeah sounds like he loved the car, just doesn’t like that it’s called a CSL. Last CSL had a gearbox everyone hated, they just liked that it was a high revving NA engine.
Take it to Nurburgring so we can see your skills there with this machine .... should go under 7 min. on a lap I guess with a skilled driver - and with a proper wing wow you can absolutely go under 7 min
How many times can someone contradict themselves in the same review.. Chris Harris is my go to!!
You don’t need to listen this guy review, just watch this car and enjoy
This does not deserve the CSL badge.
True, ugliest car to revive a great name
We will never see the weight savings the previous M models possessed. With heavy dual clutch systems and clunky driver assisted firmware it's technically impossible until a new lightweight carbon graphene matrix composite is used.
Someone didn't do thier research for this video..... The C stands for competition not coupe!! So that would suggest Track first road second, which is straight from the press release .... They also neglected to mention it's pumping 70hp and 100NM more than the standard m4, and that he 100kg weight loss is compared to the m4 competition, not the standard m4. He also says M3 twice in his comparison comments, which is poor editting.
Worst thing about the old CSL is that its an auto... and they do it again!
It's impossible to fit a DCT into the transmission tunnel without widening it and having the most of the engine hung far in front of the front axle.
@@SLO722 should be a manual
@@SLO722 Total BS. F10 M5, F8x M2/3/4 all had M-DCT. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@ndj4267 I’m talking about the current M cars. They all have a 8-speed automatic gearbox.
looking sick
And I’m being sick 🤮
He kept calling it an M3 the whole time 😂
Tbh this should still be the M3 the 4 door M3 should become the M4 agree?
@@e.ggamerguy5793 i agree, just like the RS5 is the sedan version of the RS4 and RS7 the sedan of the RS6
@@e.ggamerguy5793 that proper m3 you mentioned is now in the history...
This car is handsome
, . This must be the cut up clip surely , Chris would given the serial number on the axles and All that good stuff
You are saying that it has Cup 2 Rs, but on video is 4Ss
I imagine the reason for giving the new M4 the CSL treatment was to up the appeal of the whole package.
Make some people forgive how ugly it is because it’s shape now holds the latest legendary CSL badge.
Yep, all you gotta do these days is to heavily limit production artificially and people will pay ANY price for it and store them away to make even more money with it.
These aren´t cars for true car enthusiasts and they were never meant to be. They´re basically just art collectibles at this point.
Why should the 4-series have the honour of being the fastest BMW ever? Shouldn't they have made an M8 CSL or something?
the color 🤩
Too big, too heavy & too expensive!
Just becoming silly limited edition trinkets/investment opportunities for the mega rich.
Would love to be a car journalist but I cannot drive & talk at the same time........🤣
2:00 dude the m2 is as heavy as the m4. Some journalism there huh
Spoke sh** about the car, but had the best time in it. Yeah naah you don't deserve to drive it.
ZF box is why I'll probably never go another M car (have an M2 Comp atm). Drove the new G Series M4 Comp - the box is uneventful, boring.
I think it can battle a STD GT3 hand down..... Lets wait on the GTS to take the battle to the next level
There won’t be a gts.
Everyon hates the ZF over the DCT. I wonder why the M4 GT3 uses the ZF gearbox 🤔
Because BMW wanted to justify that cost cutting measure. Racers complain about the new gearbox constantly, go search M240R Sachs performance zf8, watch their vids.
You know, I don't actually mind the front gri....nah, it's still shite! 😅 And for a CSL, it's WAY too heavy, come on BMW get your damn act together!
Thank you Top Gear for remaining objective and calling a pig a pig. BOOO BMW
This is not a good review. Bring in Chris Harris. Or quite frankly, bring back Clarkson & Co!
more than the average man can afford - well done
It's not made for the average man, that's the point... Get a corolla if you want an every man's car
@@homiefizzle5260 well thanks for that in-depth insight
Or women , remember we are in a politically correct era now tutt tutt 😂
*Dream car* 😇💙
Dream better
Doesn't seem to know if he's reviewing an M3 or and M4.
sry for that money i would take lotus emira, and have some extra cash to modify if desired
Are these cars only for people with 50 cars? I can’t image why anyone would spend 130k on an M4 in 2022 when there are dozens of other way faster, better looking, and better driving cars.
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Yes. The few ppl I’ve talked to that ordered one already have an M2 CS, 911, family car(s). All but one paid a markup too. I think it’s dumb, still ugly and way overpriced and I own 2 M’s.
Plus the E46 CSL still had a usable back seat, this doesn’t. Should have been called a GTS.
@@duffydon1741 lol you have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@SL4PSYM4XY judging from what i see, you probably have a i30 poor dude!
Business men with a brain. It's a limited edition car and an appreciating asset that just needs to sit in the garage.
While other cars at £120k are depreciating liabilities.
Since when is a CSL supposed to be a good road car? It's made for the track. The E46 CSL didn't even have A/C. You admit that this car is good on track so just say it's good and stop trying to invent criticism.
The grille actually looks really good on the CSL
It's too big, too heavy and they are going the wrong direction. IMO....and I've owned eight M3's.
Bmw Power 🔥
There is no replacement for the BMW M GTS till now
Amazing good looking car but too heavy for the Racetrack. I think an Porsche GT4RS or GT3RS is better for Trackies. The BMW M4 CSL is mor the GT. For the German Autobahn you have the Power and a wonderful Body from the Car. Dreamcar for me.
It’s got the front of a Citroen 😂😂😂 & it’s not worth £60k never mind 120k
Eh? Citröen are amazing looking cars. Put down the glue.
They should have given it a party trick. An airbox, a unique driving mode, special exhaust etc. Something unique to the CSL. This looks like a M3 csl wannabe, lazy effort parts bin M car. And to sacrifice the CSL badge for this is a missed opportunity
I can’t wait for this to go down in value so I can just look on auto trader how much it costs hoping I can afford it but knowing I can’t
Looks tacky...
what a contrasting video...1str half of slamming the spec on paper and decisions based on opinion, and 2nd half letting the car and its performance speak for itself
The CSL is not extreme enough, it's too slow, too MEH, it needs more power (550hp), it needs less weight (-300kg) but keep the looks, it needs to be on par with a Porsche 992 GT3.
CSL actually haves just under 600hp when dynoed
Only Clarkson or Hammond could have done this justice
The M3 CSLs used to be a thing to look at, unlike this dogfood. And why do people check their rear views on a track? 😂
Will be interesting how many people can afford a £128k m4 aka 500 whatever bhp
As good as it is beautiful
Great review. Someone that opens up about the pros and cons! Agree BMW should have applied the CSL formula to the M2. Missed this opportunity with the F87. Can’t apply this to the G87 M2 considering it looks like Lego and it’s heritage starts in Mexico 🇲🇽 😅
Xhp gearbox map stage 3 and that will feel like a dct!
That ghastly grille though...
Can you afford one?
No idea what’s going on with BMW these days?! Just like Ford - dropping the Fiesta (which is a mistake) BMW are just whacking a CSL badge on a car which doesn’t suit the name. As he says the M2 would be epic in CSL guise. Strange decisions being made in the car world 🤔🤷🏻