Antique Chain Vise Restoration | Unknown Patent With No Apparent Functionality
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- The chain vise is commonly used to hold pipes or irregularly shaped objects. Main advantage over a regular pipe vise is the large clamping surface limited only by the length of the chain.
This particular chain vise is patented and features a cross slide with no apparent functionality.
What was this used for? As of now none know. I've research the patent number without success...
Methods I used to remove rust are the following:
- Electrolysis for large parts. Water + sodium carbonate and 12v battery charger with negative side connected to parts.
- Ultrasonic cleaner for small parts. First with solvent to degrease and then with rust removal fluid 20min each.
- Plain rust removal fluid for the chain leaving it overnight.
Everything was then cleaned from the patina with light passes on a steel wire brush mounted on the bench grinder.
0:00 Disassembly
2:09 Big parts rust removal
3:09 Small parts rust removal
4:04 Chain rust removal
4:33 Assembly
7:00 Test
7:34 What was this used for?
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It's meant to work with a drill press or milling machine, so once the work piece was clamped down you could move it in relation to the tool, cutting grooves with and end mill or driling multiple holes along a single axis. Nice job bringing it back to life!
Yes I agree, that was my first thought, Ive got a similar vice I use with my drill press.
The function of the wheel is to position the clamped workpiece. Works perfectly with a mill and drill press.
Maybe to feed the workpiece into a saw.
Chain vice and wrench’s are used mostly on round stock of some kind Like putting splines on a axle
Correct. This is mounted to the table on a drill press or vertical milling machine.
I just saw the ending, it's a band saw vise. Used to slide cuts into a vertical band saw. The big ones, nothing small. This would bolt on to the table of the saw, and you'd use the wheel to clean cut the parts. It's similar in operation to a Laidlaw JM 20 band saw. You also put the jaw backwards, it's supposed to go on the other side to allow full swing of the carriage-jaw.
Didn't he put it back as he found it ?
@@jonpatchett425 Nope..! It was the other way round...
Yes you're right the jaw is on wrong from the original thumbnail picture. The tensioner handle shouldn't be near the wheel
Omw yes. He actually put it backwards
Pipe vise.
So great to see a vintage tool restoration without sand blasting and/or powder coating. Great work, thank you! 🙏
Those are good processes, but yeah, not always necessary. I would have "blued" this one tho, to prevent it from rusting again, and at least greased the parts before reassembly.
When you do finally find out exactly what this is and how it works, can you please post a demonstration of it in action? It would be great to revisit this and see it working properly.
It probably is a drill press vise for tubes and bars. With the wheel you can adjust the bar in relation to the drill coming from above.
I think this makes the most sense. I see other people mentioning positional adjustments for use in a power hacksaw but the positioning would be along the wrong axis for something like that.
Makes sense. Good call!
Agreed!
But to what end? with a fixed vise the tube would always be dead center under the drill press. You would only need to adjust it if you don't want to drill in the center of the tube (but for what reason?). I believe, it's for pipe saddle cutting (which is a more common task) but instead of moving the tool to the vise, you move the vise to the tool.
@@mementomori4972 With a fixed vice, it would only be dead center for one diameter of tubing?
From the shape / design of the base / cross slide section, I'd guess that's it's designed for use on a mill or like machinery. The bolt-hole placements look like they'd align nicely with a mills T slots.
Nope, both clamping force and rigidity are laughable, it's impossible to use on a mill. Maaaaybe you could feed something into bandsaw with this.
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Maybe a vise off of a saw. Clamp down your workpiece with the chain and then use the screw to feed the workpiece into the blade.
It looks perfect to use when bandsawing round stock. Mount the vice on the bandsaw table, quick cam clamp a work piece in and feed it via the slide.
I would bet that is exactly what it's for. It's made to move the stock according to what size it is in reference to the saws guide. Makes perfect sense to me !
I bet thats exactly! what its meant for, Because it doesn't seem nearly rigged enough to be used accurately on a mill, drill press or lathe. Well maybe used on a drill press, lol But im sure it could be adapted for many useful things.
これ、配管作業の現場でねじ切りをする時にパイプを抑える役目で使います。
1980年代ぐらいまでは結構目にしましたが、最近は見かけなくなりましたね。
前後（左右？？）に動く機能はどうゆう風に使われていたんですか？
What was the front-back (left-right??) movement used for?
配管を故意に少し曲げたい時に斜めにネジを切ります。
その時の調整で役立っていましたよ。
ただ現場では同じバイスを二個使いパイプの前後を固定していました。
@@user-mh3tt3nx8i なるほど ありがとうございました。
鉄工所ではパイプに横穴を開ける際に使っていましたね。
ボール盤はドリルが固定なのでパイプの方を動かすのですが、センターからずらして加工する際はパイプが回って逃げてしまうので…
It's a plumbers pipe clamp, used for cutting threads on steel pipes
That was my exact thought as well. Have used modern versions.
I don't think it has enough clamping force for thread cutting, and the horizontal movement also makes no sense for thread cutting.
@@pbysome they use them in pairs because some sections of pipe are long, so you adjust both for straight pipes . They still use them for industrial conduit, gas lines etc. These are for commercially installation. Ducting for air con etc,
@jeanette shackles you should watch the video again, the small lever is for tightening and the wheel just moves the whole thing without tightening anything...
@@pbysome No what they do they have one on either end, and in the middle they have another stand with rollers they place the pipe between them straighten the pipe then they cut threads on both ends and that's a length then they use threaded couplers or elbows etc to install
Most definitely used as a chain clamp for drill press. Also possibly milling machine. Used one exactly like this one in my metal shop class almost 5 decades ago. Worked wonders on the drill press in some instances where we didn't want welds, but holes for bolting together along with other applications where a hole was needed. They worked fantastic.
Great video, I've always loved mechanical things, and have bought old rusty things at garage sales, now I know what to do with them. My husband was a precision tool and die maker and I was always fascinated with his work. He had a Bridgeport Milling machine in the garage, and I became pretty good at deburring. Definitely would be a good idea to take photos of each step when taking it apart so you can see where the pieces all go when you're putting it back together. My husband always had a problem with this step.
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Looks like a pipe clamp for threading iron for gas
ding ding, i have a small version of this
that's exactly what it is
It's a pipe vise for cutting and tapping and cutting threads. Used one for years. The one I have is marked 1910, Pittsburgh PA. Nice video as always.
Hello! This is an old version of the pipe chain vise. Nice restore. They can now be lubricated via oil, primed and painted.
The old pipe chain vise had the capability of back and forth lateral movement like this tool ?????
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Definitely meant for use in a drill press or milling machine so you could line up the round bar or pipe for drilling and cutting features into it. While a lot of milling machines would have that kind of adjustment built into them, most drill presses don't. This vise would be exceptionally convenient if you had to put a lot of holes in pipe and were always struggling to find TDC!
One of the key indicators is the fact that the wheel/handle actually extends below the level of the bottom cast iron body. This means that it would have to have sat on the edge of the table or bench. Now, keep that in mind when you look at the distance from the wheel/handle to the center of the V notch when it's in the relative middle of its trackway. That tells you the whole thing couldn't have been meant for use on a very large machine. It also tells you that it wouldn't have been designed with most standard Milling machines since they often have more than enough adjustment built into them. Considering the size of this vise and the fact that the wheel/handle extends below the body, the reasonable conclusion would be that this was designed for small shops to use on their drill presses. The small tables on most of your drill presses are perfectly sized for a vise like this, allowing plenty of room for the handle to sit off the edge of the table. The adjustment in the vise allows you to place your bar or pipe in it, adjust for Top Dead Center, and then drill/tap as needed. It would be very handy in shops that do a lot of gas line work since they're regularly drilling and tapping for gas fittings.
My first thought was for holding pipe as well.
It doesnt appear rigged enough for milling purposes.
The wheel must be at the other side attached with chain .. Hi from Algeria ..
See 0:07 and 8:10 to know the difference
I've seen them used to test alternators. You clamp the alternator in the vise, and there would be an electric motor mounted on the bench which would run the belt to turn the alternator, to test the alternators output. You would use the vice to tighten the belt up
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My first thought would be for use in a drill press. You can align the workpiece using the screw. If the vise is bolted down, that theoretically allows you to drill angled holes into pipes or similar. Not sure if it would be good for that in reality, but it's not like everything ever built was a good idea.
I was thinking a milling machine, but otherwise, yeah.
Well, this restoration can be one of two things. Either it is a failure because you were not able to get it working properly, or you showed us something unique and really cool that 99% of us have never heard of or seen. I think it’s cool.
It's definitely some kind of mechanism that holds something but what I don't know I love things like this interests me
Really good video,possibly plumbers vise in older days when cutting steel or cast plumbing pipes.keep doing what your doing and carry on 😎😎😎👍👍👍
I've seen a couple of these over the years, but they're always broken, chipped, peckered with apprentice marks or just plain worn to the bone. This is in pristine condition, so cool.
"Apprentice marks" Lol!
I've missed your restoration videos. Brilliant work as usual!!
I love how you didn't paint it or fix the dents & scratches on it. You just cleaned it up.
Only thing I can imagine is aligning a workpiece under a drill press. Otherwise nice restoration, but no oil or grease anywhere?
That was my first thought, no oil?
that little plastick holder inside the sonic cleaner , what a way to safe solvent usage. thank you
I would say a milling machine or drill press type of quick clamp vise for repeated work or a saw type of vise for repeated cuts 🤔....has me wondering as well ....but it is very nice condition ! You never know you may adapt it to something around your shop and find the perfect use for it for you !! Great video as always !!
My thoughts are it might have been used on a end mill for more intricate material removal or for slight movement during a milling job. Even if that wasn't it you could very well use it that way. 😉
Man I love a good restoration!
Yay for electrolysis to remove rust! I hook my derusting setup to my stick welder and boost the amperage up until the water looks like it's boiling. Makes quick work of rust any rust hiding under paint.
but you throw in something too?
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Really enjoy your work! I actually have a “pipe clamp” or chain vice. I don’t understand how yours works either. Mine works the way you describe. Great video.
We had something similar at work. Was part of a cutting machine. You clamped some material on it and fed it to the cutting machine with the hand wheel.
Finally a good video
There is a tool for everything apparently. And it's so cool that some people in the comments actually know what it's for.
I wish you c ould explain the cleaning process, the solution you used and such. nice job
I'm glad u said something at the end because I was wondering what real applications it would be best for and I I couldn't really think of much
What an interesting vice grip with a clever design. Simple and sweet restoration. Love it, subscribed!
Thank you for your videos. A humble opinion: when you try to tighten it, I believe you must bring that handle all the way down: as you do it, it won't, but you must release a little the chain, and after it might work. Thank you again.
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The V-groove and the chain means it's for clamping tubes and pipes. My guess it's a vise jig for tube threading/drilling/machining
very good
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Really Amazing Brother. Enjoyed alot. Hope You Also Enjoy During Restoring It.
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Brevetto also is the name of a vise maker in NY, most of the vises were renamed to kries ( I believe that is the spelling) also name of designer/engineer. This is a late 1890 to 1925 pipe vise. It would have been used to secure a pipe on a drill press or table for machining of holes and flats. The chain may not be original...
@blackbeardprojects:My guess is that this is one of two necessary chain vise is used for drill press. The motion ability allow to drill center line hole on pipes with different diameter. This is just a guess. Great work Mate!
When you said you don’t understand the vice. I was thinking the same thing. Throughout the video.
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I use the chain as a foot operated holdfast on my anvil. My guess is a drill press vise, that can move the object without the need of re-clamping it.
All I know is that we had a similar chain vice at the shipyard where I worked and it was used for holding odd shapes for drilling or removing pins or screws. And occasionally welding. Judging from the condition of your screw, I don't think your vice was used very often. It's in much too good of a condition. Just my 2 cents.
This thing is awesome 😍 great job, love such Restauration
Cool piece. The clamp is put on the feed backwards from the way it was at the beginning before you disassembled it. I don't know which way is correct myself maybe you intended on it that way.
I think its a pipe vice to be used with a milling machine, I believe it would allow extreamly accurate milling on a round or odd shaped material most likely cast iron, it may have had a saddle of some sort to sit in the v shape section with a softer material rubber or leather face either side, this would hold the material much better the . At some point you will find a use for it and be grateful you found it. So I would be making the parts missing, one to fit the v section and the other for the chain side to protect whatever you are clamping down from damage the chain may make to whatever you are holding in place. The same as that was falling off your bench vice that you use to protect or give you more purchase on whatever you are clamping down. Oh a magnet would stop those protectors falling off your bench vice.
Maybe it could be a workpiece holder for a saw of some description.
You hold e.g. round stock in the vise with the chain and feed it into the saw blade with the screw.
Im gonna say it was used to hold bigger material on a mill. The wheel could be to give additional movement besides what the mill table can do?
I guess you could mount it to a drill press or something and use the wheel to move the part around? I dunno… I’m glad you mentioned you have no idea, because I was wondering the same thing.
I think it's for a horizontal bandsaw. Particularly a long material extension. Different diameter material needs to be held at different distances from the fence
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I was about to say the same thing. Its used to hold big Pipes soild poles for bending and drilling. Once poles are bent, this paticuler grip holds the pipe for the drill press. Its been along time since Ive seen one of those. You should keep it for yourself, being you're a Blacksmith
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Es una excelente máquina de sujeción primera vez que veo una y quedó funcional . Saludos desde Venezuela ciudad de Maracaibo. Suscripto y like
Hello there what a nice tool!! this is like the Vulcan No 1 chain vise.👍🇺🇸
My grandfather was a pipefitter and he had a vise exactly like that to hold large pipes for cutting and threading.
I have no ideea what should do this vise,but you did a great job anyway !!!
I don't know but was great restoration thank you two thumbs
Very cool vise B.B.. Never seen one like that before.. Put it in a glass case to look at...
鯨丸 said he used to see these til the 1980s at jobsites, to hold down pipes to cut threads on the ends. Also the moving feature was used to bend the pipes for small adjustments.
Even though I have no idea it's application. Great video.
Didn't you put it together backward? At the beginning of the video the chain handle and the thread wheel are on opposite ends, after the restoration, they are on the same end. There's supposed to be one control in the front and one control in the back. Maybe the purpose becomes clear if you flip the slidey part around?
Flipping it around would put the loose end of the chain on the side of the threaded wheel, and if there was some kind of connection point near the wheel, spinning the wheel would push the clamp away and tighten the chain? maybe?
Yes, he put it backward. But that won't make any difference.
The chain tightens with the over center lever. It's a vice for round stock. Put a piece of pipe in the v block, lock it in place with the chain and machine the pipe by feeding the vice into the cutting too, be it saw or mill cutter.
I guess it's intended to present the workpiece you to a machining tool mounted to a stand such a drill press, band saw etc. The screw is there to adjust the position of the workpiece and maybe to move it along this axis while machining it. It seems strong enough to be used to drill elongated holes.
Good job dude
Just great stuff
I have no clue, but a very nice clip. Thank you.
We used these when pulling well drills apart. There are 3 meter long pipes with a tapered thread in each end and are a bastard to get apart unless you attach a vise similar to this, just bigger with a quadruple chain width, to a hydraulic pump for a few tons of push/pull power.
I can´t imagine what it was used for, but notice that it was assembled in a reverse way. Anyway, great video !
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I think it is fixed to the bed of a saw and the wheel allows you to align it with the optimum position, or it could be for holding a pip for welding.
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What ever it was used for it turned out nice.
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Had one very similar to it power bandsaw clamp. It doesn't bave to hold super tight as most of the force is vertical.
I have one of those, kinda, I'll send a photo. Great video
Looks like you had the usage figured out. It holds oddly shaped work pieces.
Pipe welders would love this.
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Super chain vive. Ur lucky to get it. Thanks for show.
Essa vise é interessante !
i would imagine that it is an adjustable vise to be hard mounted on a piece of equipment like a drill press or milling machine so that you can precisely position the material without having to move the entire machine platform back before machine platforms were easily adjustable like they are now.
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Will that rust quickly since it's bare steel? Seems like you would need to coat in oil or apply some kind of finish. Great video!
Perfect 👌
That's for holding pipes while drilling or threading. Electricians use a modern version of it today any time they work with metal conduit.
Either indeed a milling/drill press vice for pipes or its part of a large complex rigging structure for like a car chassis or something