Mastering Limiters Deathmatch 2020: What's the Best Plugin?
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As always this is better than any other stuff I find on RUclips. One key difference is that you are so bloody pro and your source materials sound amazing - I've heard so many mastering tutorials that are done on absolute Donald Duck songs that sound like anything to begin with. Amazing! Thanks David!!!
i love your no compromises to any plugin or brand, thanks for this video
This is the first video of yours I've watched. I love your channel and your studio!!! Keep rocking!!!
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Great idea to compare the limiters! In isolation most of them might sound good... but compared WOW huge differences!
Thanks for the effort to make this video! :-)
Big clipper is a discovery! Thank you for the review. Wish you all the best!
Couldn't agree more with your description between 1.07 and 3.57 especially considering the split between Pro-L and Ozone , how excellent work you can get with Sonnox and how important the balance between workflow and final result can be in cases like DMG at times when you have other quality - no compromising solutions in hand too. Great Video !
I combine Limiter no.6 and Ozone Elements in my mastering chain. As long as it's strategic and not being overdone, they give me pretty good results.
Good videos as always. 😊👍👍
A.O.M Invisible Limiter G2 is my go to. I've tried most of what's been tested. The low end retains it's weight and the mids and highs remain unaltered and it's simple to use and matches the best for loudness. For electronic music Stealth Limiter can alter the sound in a pleasant way.
Awesome. I'm impressed with Boz. One move I tend to like in Pro-L is fully unlinking stereo and cutting off the lookahead. Brings some of the different styles to good extremes.
Watch the mono channel energy when you do that, 90% of the time you don't need unlinking
I've been feeling the same about the L2 and Fabfilter L2. Definitely going to give the MM-1 a spin. Great info!
My go-to is the Wiess but I'm really impressed with the TDR limiter
Excited to watch this. I did this text for a couple weeks and out of the 10 I tested Fabfilter Pro L always did the best for my needs. It also lets you push louder than the others
Definitely "Big Clipper" is a thing to note! Does the job better than I would have imagined.
Great Video!!!
It’s currently $29 at Plugin Boutique... I’m on the fence between it and Oxford limiter!! I really like the sound of Oxford, feel like it would be a good A/B against my usual Ozone
Thanks for making these videos... keep rockin!!!🤙🏽🤘🏽👊🏽
The big winner is the big clipper .
Great comparison and the Weiss was amazing with its different styles.
Thnx for your videos !
nuh.... stay away from clippers.... and yes Weiss is amazing.
The winner is...Big Clippper!I (I love to use the Weiss MM1 before of the limiter, just the Wide mode, not limiting at all). Thanks David for the info!!
Hi there! Thanks for a great video. I agree that the Big Clipper was the best one. It really didn't have any compromises. Everything just sounded the way it should. Again thanks!
im crazy for listening to this on my iphone for comparisons but i loved the wiess and oxford pushed. ozone on the first half sounded nice too!
Super helpful vid, and wearing ur headphones like that is badass lol
IK Multimedia's T-RackS Stealth Limiter is my favorite. I use it all the time. To me it's very transparent.
Well said my friend ;) Nothing beats the Stealth! :)
My fav is the AOM one. Thanks for another great video David.
I have most of BOZ Digital plugins. They are really great. Good customer service. That’s important. I’m surprised you had Big Clipper in a limiter shootout and not their actually limiter “The Wall”. I would have loved to see how that matches up to the others. Nice video.
I also like Big Clipper. Lately I have been using Velo 2, and was hoping for a greater review of this limiter. You did a very quick once-over, then stopped further review. Velo 2 works great for what I need it to do.
Awesome stuff man!
I really like the "No Sunshine" track!
Great guitar on it!
Best limiter tutorial on RUclips period. Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. You keep it simple and to the point. Gonna keep watching your other videos. 👊🔥
TDR GE has a very balanced punch to it, I listened on phone speaker intentionally and it cut through very ‘evenly’. Limitless sounds the sexiest I think
I have to go with the undefeated iZotope Ozone. I luv their Vintage Limiter! Inspired by the Fairchild 670 hardware limiter, famous for its silky smooth compression. Changes character of your final-stage Limiting with "that" nostalgic vibe of classic recordings. Am Really impressed by the sound of the big clipper
No.6 is the one I used so far. I think the one from ozone is my second best.
Me too. TDR makes great mastering plugins. FabFilter Pro-L comes close in second.
LOve this f'n track! awesome music my brother!
Love it, Don't forget to try TBProAudio 2 LIMITERS pretty great and as mentioned in comments the invisible limiter 2 which I see a few mastering engineers use over the fabfilter, , and the weiss DS1 MK3 which I think you may own, love your work,
I like the sonnox Oxford limiter a lot, it also shows you digital peaks!
Plugin alliance Brainworks xl v2 is also super limiter.
And the latest where I use the Limiter
Softube Chanlder zender bender compressor limiter. The poetry is extremely beautiful!
And sounds excellent! 🥰
Another good trick when mastering is not only to work with 1 limiter but to switch 2 in a row.
You don't have to limit so much for a good reason! 😉
With a limiter you have most 7-10db gain and it does a strong reduction of the peaks.
With 2 limiter in a row, the gain is still around 3-5 DB gain per limiter and the reduction is only half as high! So less strong peak limiting, the limiter pumps less!
so the mastered sound becomes soft .. 😉
Try it out and make your own opinion! 😉 Have fun with the sound and have a nice day! Stay healthy! 😉
I just use the loudmax limiter plugin, set the ceiling and use the output gain of an eq plugin to boost the sound. Basically if I am doing too much work in mastering then I just consider that my mix is wrong and go back to my mix.
In my ear vocal sound of the second song is clean with Boz Big clipper and overall sound is spatial with Limitless.
I been using air maximizer since I got my MPC but I'm about to go back to limiter no. 6. That thing was a beast!
big clipper sounds nice without having to fight with to many settings
Very interesting comparison. BOZ is boss, for me, instant wow when you switched it on. It enhanced punch and energy in a nice way. Also liked Weiss alot. Some kind of clarity and detail, without harshness. Once again, very usefull content 👍🏻 😊
Amazing comparison, Big clipper retains more transients i can hear the differences. its consistent.
In a future limiter comparison you can add Eventide - Newfangled Audio.
I saved up so much time ... thanks brother 👌🔥🔥
Sonnox and M1 are my go to, will get an eye on this Big Clipper, heard a lot about Invisible Limiter, it should have make the list
I was so impressed with the "Big Clipper". Absolutely transparent, but.... )))) Check your peaks after that plugin and you will be surprised:) Because of the floating-point bit resolution, there is no distortion) Btw, "Pull" is a threshold in that plugin.
Noticed the same thing. Of course this one sounds best, the transients aren't getting touched!
@@MattGraffMusic Thanks for pointing that out. There are a lot of messages addressing the clipper results, but the author of this video is skipping over those comments and liking all the ones that are praising the clipper. I wonder why? I'm trying to make a decision on a limiter and it's difficult to do that with mixed reviews. It's throwing me off on my decision.
Excellent review/comparison! Leaning towards the Big Clipper and Oxford out of those compared.
Always great content & KNOWLEDGE on this channel
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I personally like Ozone Maximizer and Sonnox Limiter. However I noticed very well that you have the output ceiling set at -0.2
Thank you for a clarification I never asked but had my doubts about it.
Big Clipper sounds extremely good! The best are Big Clipper and Weiss! Please, make a video of "The Wall" by Boz Digital Labs. They have a lot of underrated plugins. Thanks for the video!
I like the sound of some of Ozone more aggresive coloured sounds for a certain tone, I generally use algorithm 2 the most because I don't heavily limit and it has less affect on the frequency then the multiband/spectral algos. I still like l2 for just the tops but heavily limited it falls apart. As far as coloured limiters I always liked elephant, always added this kind of fatness and warmth I liked. The clipping sound in big clipper seems to work for certain material, way less pumping because it doesn't compress much at all, never tried it (I have little clipper though) but the frequency sensitivity seems like it can be used to avoid usual issues with clipper like distorted sine bass and 808s quite obviously.
One the second example song, the DMG was really good, Sonnox even better.
I really like the free Yohng W1 Limiter. Hit the adaptive response button and it just brings out the sound.
Isn't that the exact copy of the L1?
@@mixbustv I think so yeah, it's a great free vst.
Once again, great content !!! I have 4 on the list and another very good one the bx_XLV2, maybe you can include it in the next battle.
Love watching audio videos to hear how they engineer their RUclips videos
RUclipsrs engineer their videos, engineers engineer records and don't really care that much about their videos.
Big clipper Keeps the punching and louder sound. Listening on my iPad.
Weiss MM1...simply incredible!
Wow what a great video! Thank you for this. Would you be able to do one with mixbuss compressors?
Can't get those songs out of my head now!
I am using FabFilter's Pro-L2 for a year now. Great limiter.
However, I've also purchased the Flatline clipper to go before it.
I use the Ozone maximizer and from the off I feel I subtle preference for Fabfilter Pro L2, but excited to see what's to come. I just feel like there's a little more consistency in the L2, the ozone feels a tiny bit hollow to me - like the L2 could possibly go a tiny bit further than 9db (in this example) but the ozone for me, no. Just a thought! Thanks for the videos, David.
After watching the full video, I'd definitely like to try big clipper / weiss with TDR combo... and deffo try out the Oxford, and the other oxford plug ins too
You have no idea how happy this made me...I've been a big Boz Digital fan for awhile now, and feel they are one of the most under-rated if not tragically overlooked developers out there...sure their stuff is quirky, and some of their product names sound a bit "juvenile", but when it's applied well it's truly magical...
Transgressor 2 is amazing. Prefer it over all my other transient shapers!
McDSP ML4000 is one of my favorites for final limiter
what about 8000 ?
Hello man! Thank you for the video. Liked. Good luck.
Ozone packs a punch!
Just a quick tip, you can actually define the range of the release time on the Bute Limiter when the auto release is enabled.
Try shortening the release time and you'll notice some brilliant results.
I really wanted to like it, I tried it in every way possible and every combination possible, I couldn't pick it over others. I'm sure it's also methods, remember I also limit and clip out of the box.
IDK I really liked the Stealth and Limitless! I've got the Velo2 that I picked up on a sale, actually to get something else that was free(it was a 150$plugin for $8 by buying the Velo 2)and it actually worked well on single tracks in a mix or acoustic singer songwriter tracks, not complicated tracks, it craps out on those! Surprised not to see the AOM Limitless on here, used to love that one back in 2008 or 10ish era! But the Wiess was the superior limiter on everything really, then I liked the Stealth and Limitless, got the Oxford of course and Ozone and Fab(which I don't like cause it thins out the bass too much for me, only like it on no bass stuff). The Tracks Stealth was a surprise for me tbh! Gonna have to check that out! And of course if they every have a decent sale on the Weiss I'll get it, but I ain't paying those prices for that! It's not that good unless your making your bank on mastering, which David is. But for the rest of us, unless a plugin is under $50 I ain't gonna buy it no more! I can get similar results with using 2 or 3 other plugins and usually get better results, so it's just not worth it! Softube sales are for the fucking rich! Their not sales at all, and with the economy talking like where gonna hit a Depression....good fucking luck! I can see Waves making it outta this....Softube....No Fucking Way! GFY Softubes!
Thank you so much for a great vid : ) I would love to know your thoughts on Xenon, especially with regard to transparency and acoustic recordings!
Elephant was GREAT ! So Clean and balanced
LOL! The L2 is totally a classic. It makes that very distinct flat wall of sound when pushed that's reminiscent of that 2000's pop/rock sound. I used to mix into it on the master bus for EVERYTHING but it robs the low end bump to create more headroom for the rest of the mix when pushed. I've automated it just to keep the crescendo of a song from just totally robbing everything but the middle. The L2 needs a damn side chain! If I could sculp the low end and then push the mix into it, and limit the mix after like 150 hz and up...would be epic. But I guess the Fabfilter MB can do all of that and more...so...?
I started using the abbey road TG mastering chain for a bit, Fabfiler MB and I have the sonnox inflator too so that's kinda fun. I still haven't found anything that blows my skirt up..but I just bought all of the UAD Chandler Limited and Tube Tech stuff so...we'll see how that goes.
Anyway...dig your vids.
There's a lot out there that at the moment is pretty impressive, I considering doing a video on various clippers and limiters I use, but I'm not entirely sure I want to give some combo away.
For the L2, you could still split your mix with a linear phase and do what you describe, yet, you would need something to apply limiting to the low end. Could turn out interesting actually
If I recall correctly, TDR Limiter peak limiter in 2x mode adds the least amount of distortion.
Big clipper brought that snare to life.
The Sonnox limiter seems the give the songs especially the 2nd one a more polished sound. Like a finished master. If you prefer a clear transparant limiter for let's say classical music or Jazz I would prefer the Weiss or the Big Clipper but If you like that transient sheen heard on many commercial songs you should go for the Sonnox Oxford
Agree, Sonnox is love, Sonnox is life :D
wich in your opinion could be a good mastering chain for hard rock style music? I normally use an Hi Pass filter (about 25 Hz) - SSL BUS Comp (Acustica Audio Sand 3) - Inflator OR KClip (which one? I like both...for different reasons/purposes) - Sonnox Limiter. Thanx!
Instantly clicked on this. Lets goo!
Big Clippper: bit.ly/2EhSTRr
Limiter N6: bit.ly/3jEFrai
Sonnox Limiter: bit.ly/2D1GQqI
Weiss MM1 Limiter: bit.ly/2D8FVEM
Pro-L 2: bit.ly/3gbrpuZ
Ozone Mazimizer: bit.ly/2ByfE2A
IK Stealth: imp.i114863.net/r7Z3R
Elephant: bit.ly/3jzdXTA
Awesome video 🔥 But why are you using L2.. You know that L1 is using a different frequency limiting. L2 is much brighter, it doesn't softclip as the L1. Compare it. Btw luv the content ✌️
for my great IK Stealth))
I get that it depends on the song, but as a user of Limiter No6 I'm interested if you can recommend this particular plugin as a professional tool or if it is just "okay"
I think you may have got the wrong link for the limiter 6. What you posted here isn't the one by TDR
@@Mansardian yes but the link was wrong, it's not the old free version, is the TDL GE, which is now there if you click the new link
great challenge, just missing also 2 great tools: Brainworx Masterdesk (with their clean DS ) and Limiter; and the invisible Limiter 2 (great for electronic music)
The weiss is the best one as the limitless, and the boz and kazrog are great Clippers (always in my mastering chain depends on the music). Oxford continues surprising the personal!!!
You should definitely have a look at Toneboosters Barricade 4. Don't be fooled by the price.
I tried barricade. Very good!!
A.O.M Invisible Limiter
Nice comparison, thank you for that. But i miss the Slate Digital FG-X. I really like this thing, keeps the transients alive, even on heavy limiting. Keep up the good work. I like your channel. Thumbs up. Greetings form Germany.
Last time I tried it was very underwhelming
@@mixbustv Hmmm did u play with the extra parameters? This is where the magic happens i think…
Afterwords I have the Ozone just for killing the true peaks…
Great vid! I enjoyed the comparisons. Some of my personal favorites there too (Fab, Oxford, Weiss, Stealth). Also, just recently used the Kazrog 3 again. It's been a minute, but damn it saved my ass on a master in multiband mode. No other plugin (saturator or clipper) was able to give me what I needed. To be able to zone in on one particular area and treat it properly like that, is great. And the sound quality was excellent. Time to put that one back into my VIP list. Great tool to have in your pocket when needed!
Can you tell me more about your multiband use? I barely used it
@@nickskywalker2568 I needed to pull out some low mids / mids in the mix. I actually couldn't really pull it from anywhere within the individual tracks in mixdown. It wasn't doing the trick. The song just kept lacking when referencing to a bunch of other songs. So anyway I used KClip and pushed some saturation into those bands. It not only just added some harmonics to where I needed (in those regions to make it "heard") but it did it in such a nice controlled way, without nasty distortion. The song finally sat right there with other songs in its genre. I also added some in the high band too, and it really smoothed out the highs in a very pleasing way. It really gave it an analog tone (which btw I didn't use any of my analog gear on this particular track, so I really appreciated the sound that I got from this plugin). It was wakeup call to start using KClip more often! Maybe not in every master but definitely when needed. I hope that helps! 😊
Odd to me that Fabfilter is one of my least favorites. There’s nothing wrong with it, it just somehow seems softer and a little pumpier to me. I can feel it limiting if that makes sense, and unlike a bus comp I don’t want to “feel” a limiter. The Boz one was a surprise! I’ve been using Ozone and really not thinking about it much, but I’m not pushing limiters either.
I use the Elephant on just about everything. It does take a fair amount of tweaking parameters. Click the gear icon and it opens up a world of extra manipulation.
Woaaa 🎶
There is a level issue with Big Clipper. I mean what they've done weird is that both sections (L and C) set the threshold for the original incoming signal, even in Series Mode. I tried it myself and the Pull setting at -0.2 does not do what it does in other plugins (only when used with the blend full to Clipper). Then I looked for the levels in your video and the Big Clipper is louder (L->C). That is because of the blend between limiter and clipper and the push knob set to limit at -0.2 (so it does not do anything yet, because it set the threshold at -0.2 on the original incoming signal, not on the signal coming from the Limiter section). So only with the blend set full to limiter it does not exceed the intended level. When blending the Clipper in (with -0.2 it does not clip yet) you are blending in DRY material, I believe that is the reason it sounds so good. It is louder on the meter.
Magix plugins! Those are killer....
Hmmm, this whole comparison was more like walking through some presets instead of actually tuning them to the material. I have a couple of these and it's pretty amazing how much you can get out of each and every one if you know what you're doing. But the really funny thing is that limiting lost a little bit of its importance nowadays. :D
Good video, thanks! Do you have any thoughts about Nugen Audio ISL?
Hi David. Great video! How would you compare the Sonnox Inflator to Waves Maxx Volume?
The Weiss one really impressed me but my wallet can't handle another limiter 😅 Cool video though! It's so interesting to see that even on fairly similar settings there can be quite a difference between 2 different limiters..
big clpper is $30, bought it, love it
This channel is a gold mine!! Wow. I’m curious, I’ve seen you mention a few times that you aren’t a fan of waves L3-16. Would you mind elaborating? I ask because I’ve been using L3-16, L2, and L1 in succession at the end of my mastering chain. I figured this way, none of them would have to do any heavy lifting. Would love your opinion on multiband limiters and also what you think of my approach. Thank you
I very very rarely use multiband limiters, they - by nature - change the balance of the mix (many simply by opening them on the track) L3-16 more than others. They are a recovery tool, if I get a bad mix to master, yet I have different tools to fix what I'd fix with a ML before deciding to use one, it'd be the very last choice
I wonder if one of the reasons you liked Big Clipper so much was because your settings weren't actually brick-walling the signal to -0.2 dBFS?
I'd be interested in a analyzer comparison, that is if you you analyzers. It is said that bandpass based analyzers give a more accurate display particularly in the bass. Most analyzers work with FFT. Bandpass is rare. The RME is one but requires and RME interface. The SIR Audio can be switched between BP and FFT. I think there is at least one more software analyzer that works based on bandpass filters but I can't remember which. If you don't use or care about analyzer plugins, feel free to ignore this. ;)
Try Process Audio Decibel, that's what you're looking for
@@thor_nay thank you for the tip
In beginning you cut quite a lot with Pro L, how much do you think is too much? If it keeps chopping 5db or even more? Is there any rule with this? Thanks for great channel.
Great video. Your the best man! How does the bettermaker hardware limiter stack up against the plugins?
It's a good limiter, no better than some of these, Brickwall limiters were born digital for a reason, it's one of the few processing where there's no advantage in "going hardware"
Hey David! Nice video, thank you! Is there much difference between all this limiters and clippers and tc eletronics Finalizer? Used Elephant and sonnox for years, now just got Finalizer but still could not get the best out of it... all the best!
Eh, I have little experience with that, but it's an old unit that got popular at the very beginning of digital limiting, but it also ruined a lot of songs. I'd dare to say today is pretty outdated
Pinhead!!!!!...always love Helleaiser
David hi, what's the deal with the soft knee trick on Sonnox Limiter ? Thanks
L3-16 Multimaximizer can be good...it depends on the input signal...as you clearly show. I really like the Sonnox Limiter now seeing this in action.
I've been using the L3-16 for quite awhile and like it. Some don't like multi-band limiters, but I find it sounds good. I just can't get past the price on some of the other plugin companies.
@@radiandrzgaming8708 IKR? Done prices are kind of insane when the difference is barely noticable. Case and point, the Weiss DS1. Yes, it does sound transparent, but compared to the L2, the difference is negligible if a song, like Michael Jackson's Beat It, is really good. Otherwise, it does sound very transparent. But I get it. Unless you have extra money laying around or with on an actual studio, stock plugins can be good enough.
I like the clear sound of the Stealth Limiter, I think I will try the demo version and compare it to the Ozone vintage limiter.
It's not clear at all actually passed 1db
@@mixbustv Okay I see your point, yes I tried it now and it's also a bit skinny as you said.
The Pro-L 2 and Weiss are my go to limiters. I prefer the DS1-mk3 over the MM1 for ability to fine tune it. Auditioned the Invisible Limited 2 against the Pro-L and found Invisible more transparent but not enough for me to ditch the Pro-L.
Lol exactly, I actually use Pro-L2 for soft limiting into Weiss compressor/limiter into invisible limiter G2 (256x or more oversampling) as my final heavy lifter to get that last few dBs, that's my secret mastering chain 🤫
(Btw. I will check out big clipper and maybe incorporate that one as well thanks David)
@@danielkisel5661 and you're trying way too hard.... recipe for garbage out...
@@alexgregory1427 don't get this comment but gonna ignore it cause I know what works for me?
Spreading the load between multiple limiters instead of hitting one limiter hard has been the key to my loud yet transparent levels and I still use some of the mentioned limiters even today, they are professional grade tools that do their job very well, so really don't find your comment useful enough to consider changing anything based on it, sorry...
@@elkolo2857 Hah yeah, but internally did I just wanted to give some food for thoughts for guy that seems to be lacking serious experience so maybe next time he thinks bit more outside of the box.
At least to my knowledge there isn't 1 set way how to do things, especially when it comes to art.
@@alexgregory1427rookie comment there, bud
Hi David I have to hand it to the Fabfilter team.. the l2 wasnt the best, but surely it was able to hang with the rest of them.. do they ever make a bad plugin? Their bundle seems crazy good value if your starting out. Maybe thats a an idea for a future episode: best value plugin bundles
Thanks David!!!
Interesting to see all this, thanks for sharing! I use the free Sonic Anomaly Unlimited limiter 😂. Possibly ranked #500 on your list of 500 limiters comparison haha... but for me it "does the job", maybe I should try others though! Have a fantastic weekend!! Best Regards from your friend François in Montreal, Canada! 🎼🃏🎶🎵🙏😁🌠
I used sonic anomaly too but I noticed(using an analyzer) it opens the stereo field on the very low end (and this is not a.good thing....) ;-)
@@benedico9387 Ok interesting, you are possibly right. Thanks for sharing! But I never really use a limiter other than for making sure that I do not go over 0 db. I never make music be louder using a limiter. I never master music loud haha (if an artist wants this I refer him to other engineers) so I can even say a limiter is not part of my chain process! So I use a limiter pretty much only to cut at -1 dBTP at the very end and that's it, or sometimes just to boost the overall loudness a little bit. In most cases, I do not use a limiter to make the sound louder if the master is loud enough to be normalized on all major platforms, so the way I use a limiter is so light that it does not change my sound (I guess I work differently than all the others but this is my way to work, I adapt to how the streaming platforms work with normalization).