I really needed to hear this, i recently had to take a break and it was because i was taking everything too seriously and not detaching and having fun. Definitely gonna try to step back more and enjoy the game for what it is
The only thing that pisses me of is the fact that many players won't go for a rematch and then you end up waiting for some time until the next match starts
@@laine1967 well being fat doesn't always equate to tolerance and a dependence on alcohol would increase your tolerance but you dont have to be an alcoholic to have enough enzymes in your liver to process 10 beers if they're the regular 4% alcohol cans. I will say your completely right and this is a very roundabout way of saying it.
i burnt my soul caring too much and beeing too emotional with league of legends, now with tekken and using your same mentality i learn something new every match and i enjoy the game a lot. You are spot on as always
I just reached Genbu too with my boi Miguel the other day! 471 hours total. ~410 hours of being Green. Never thought I'd be good enough to be red in Asia, but I did it! Red is probably the furthest I can go because I'm not willing to put in the time to practice characters other than Miguel and study matchups, but that's OK. I'm a scrubby boi. I hopkick often on round start. I punish -26 lows with ws+4 way too much. I eat more 30f snake edges than I'd like. But I'm the type of person to react to that with a db+1* of my own. If I get launched because of my trolling, I get laughs out of it. I think that mentality of being able to party even if you're not a Yoshi player is cool to have, because it allows you to have fun with the game for its own sake. I'm using Miguel for crying out loud! I'm here to brawl and ungabunga random players at 1AM. That should be enough for most people to be happy. 😂 I would have probably gotten better faster if I started labbing and setting up replay bootcamps for myself. But I would also probably have uninstalled the game sooner. I worked way too many 12-16hr. shifts last year, in this pandemic, in my accursed country, and yet I destressed with Tekken, can you believe it?
I really starting to feel this recently, I get too emotionally attached the game feels much more frustrating and the feeling of dread that I MUST go in to the lab really plagues my enjoyment of the game. Even playing sets with friends are rough when that happens because I feel like I'm just screwing up so much. But when I think back on how I improved for league which I spent like 7 years playing before I got into fighting games, it was just constantly running it back and just having fun running games brainlessly.
When I used to play quake I would stay up late and only start playing competitively once I felt like I could fall asleep in a second and that’s when I was at my best. I figured I’m not focusing so I just act on instincts and my aim became amazing
This is some of the best advice anyone can receive. It's easy to get frustrated over unfair BS, and I've broken plenty of controllers myself. I had to remind myself that at the end of the day it's just a f**ing game. Like you said it's a skill I had to learn. Thanks for the reminder.
That's what I do, especially with my Yoshi. Empty your mind. Be formless. Be shapeless like water. Water can flow, or it can crash. Bruce Lee quote memes aside, it does help. Having nerves and pressuring oneself is a burden that will pretty much nerf you as a player. It can even potentially make you drop combos you normally don't drop. Anyways, awesome content as always!
@@PoloFlo.. 👍😂 Love you Lei mains as well. My favorite time I faced one of you peeps. A Lei threw me and ended up KO-ing himself against the wall in his back. I promise you, even if I'm in a 10 straight losing streak, I always end up laughing during and after the session. xD
It's really strange how as the video has preceded I slowly notice that I've came to the same realization on my own in this past month playing nothing but Tekken I finally found the groove the zone the meditative state as you have
The biggest promotion streak I ever went on was after I flew back from Japan to Canada and I needed to keep myself up as long as possible to try to normalize my sleep schedule. I played 7 hours of tekken and went 32 hours without sleep. It all felt like a dream, but when I woke up I was a genbu.
The sage advice phrased in a modern way that everyone needed to hear. I've been thinking about the same thing for a year in my journey with fighting games and anger management. I think it's healthier and overall more positive to take in the good parts of competitive gaming and try to be detached otherwise. A lot of self-hate periods could have been avoided for me if I never tried to put my pride on the game despite being objectively on the weakest end of the playerbase lol.
I was skeptical at first, but thinking about this, I feel like it’s really true. It makes me think of Sonicfox - who will laugh off a defeat - compared to, say, Grr, who is super emotionally invested...this video made me think. Thanks💯
The whole video rings true. When you are winning a deathmatch you can see it in your opponents how they make worse and worse decisions and how from a very difficult match it's becoming really easy. Genbu is where my skill level is maxing out but I enjoy the game a lot on this level and levels below. I would like to be better but I don't care that much about it as I enjoy the game at that level. You can see people that are playing it like it's work or a chore. Quit on first loss, plug, cheat. These are people that mostly likely enjoy the winning but not "playing" the game. The mirror match thing used to bug me so much :D I used to get so stressed out during a mirror match thinking I have to win it :D. Nowadays I hope the other guys i better so I can learn some new stuff or way of playing the character. Demotion just means you will be able to play against worse players and have an easier time until you get the rank back.
Very solid advice, Frame. I've always been very passionate about some of the games I play and I just care too much. My own performance has always been a big issue for me. I play it for the sake of challenging myself but started to grow arrogant because I was performing well too. It wasn't doing me any good, so I've stop playing in general. A few friends have asked me to come back and decided to give it a try, with a different mindset: not giving a fuck anymore. It turns out that... not only I can focus on having fun, but now, ironically, I've been playing better than ever too. Hearing you say these things that were already in the back of my mind kinda just nailed in the coffin for me. Thanks you for your video.
I'm 26, I used to be a very angry gamer as a kid. And I sometimes still can't hold it back. I'm a very emotional person, unfortunately that's no good thing when it comes to competetive gaming. Insane video, keep up the good work!
Totally agree but really needed to hear that today! Been labbing hard all week and feel like it took me backwards, this helped me relax and let muscle memory do the work. Thank you!
It is true. The problem is emotion is not something that can be easily control. I think every pro player said the same thing. The best advice for new player is to persevere. Stop playing once u felt too tilted and come back later.
Some of what is explained here are practically impostor syndrome, basically someone's tendency to feel like they're inadequate through even the tiniest mistake where normally they actually do well most of the time. Seen this often thrown around, especially in the engineering/programming field. So the advice that is told here in my opinion is priceless and can be applicable IRL as well. Major props to you for giving such golden advice.
I can definitely agree with what you're saying here. I remember going to my first competitive tournament and got after a few fights I got absolutely demolished by this one Hwoarang player who was doing super well,.He invited me to a Tekken session the next day and after resetting my mind, putting anxieties and frustrations to the side, I was able to stand toe to toe against him. Thanks for reaffirming that Frame :)
I agree with everything you said in this video, lately I´ve been doing something that its helping a lot.. so usually when I played ranked I got stressed and angry at people for playing weird charactes and do weird stuff, one day i just mute the game to stop listening lucky chloe cuz it was getting on my nerves, then i decide to listen to some music (bob marley to be precise) I'd never listen to music when playing games cuz i thought the sounds of the game are important to make reads or confirm ch etc etc, but not hearing the game music and my opponents character voice just made me felt at peace. Its been almost two months of playing with the game on mute and im having so much fun, I listen all kinds of music and is really fun cuz it helps me change my timming according to the song that is playing, also i think my visual reflexes are getting better, im making better reads just climbing on ranked. But of all the things that are getting better I think what I like the most is that Im not giving a fuck about the outcome of the fights, the other day I encounter another lucky chloe (who usually gets on my nerves) and she was kicking my ass, but she was doing it perfectly in sync with the song i was listening and that just made me laugh so much.
This is great advice, and it is in fact something I do already. Another thing is to not make assumptions, nor to create expectations based on ranks, including your own. Judge them based on their skill and performance. I often think it'd be nice to have a "rank scrambler" mod.
Every single word is true, for me at least. Detaching emotionally helps concentrating a lot. Thinking not about bullshit moves but about enemy's movement patterns, noticing strings and habits would of course win you more games. It's just that is a thing you hardly can practice, unlike your own exectution. It's like connecting one's mind to one's muscles. You can train muscles, sure, but how do you train your mind? I'm not really a person to have parties at nights with alcohol involved so I'm not going to be able to, so to say, "cheat" my head into not being able to physically give fucks due to hangover. One more thing that in real life I'm chill as capybara, but when I'm playing the game I know I'm playing the game, right? That automatically puts my mind into a state at which I don't mind raging and whatnot, since it wouldn't matter to anyone really - it's just a game and outside of it I am almost a normal person. About half a year ago I spoke to Anakin in twitch chat during his stream and asked how pro players stay so calm in-game and how can I become more like that. He didn't gave me a clear answer but told me that if I'm able to identify the issue I'm already doing good. Right now I am slightly higher on the ladder (made orange ranks in comparisn to green back then) and still not sure if I got to solve that issue. TL;DR - your brain can be your biggest enemy, don't trust it.
I think its also important to realize that playing this game shouldn't be torture. I only play quick matches or with people I know and that helps me the most.
I do believe this is not only applied to intermediate rank players, this is 9999% for low rank players like me who gets really nervous at some rounds and even lost against my own main and even question myself if I'm really capable of playing this game. Sure, I may not easily remove my nervousness, doubts and autopilots, but hearing you say "just remember those moments where you actually did extremely well", I felt like doubting myself or getting emotionally attached to a match that I lost is a waste of energy, especially that I'm on a "pad to stick transition" mode. Thank you so much for the tips dear sir. You should be having a long talk session with JDCR and other Tekken personalities.
When Marduk or whoever else lands that, I think "they've deserved it. By the rules, they've deserved it. I also have my share of that". I have a lot of experience playing DDR/Pump It Up competitively (over a decade) and it teaches you to be mellow. You can't just scream at arrows and make yourself less tired or less confused. By containing yourself, you usually can.
I really enjoy listening to all those stories and advices (with some coffee :) ) And Im pretty excited to hear about another character guide! Those are so well made and entertaining. Maining Bob pretty much cause of your guide. Keep dat shit comin Frame!
I’m actually guilty of positive energy sabotaging me as well. Those really positive moments leave me with this sense that “I’m gonna make it out” of a bad game and I let it slip away. Balance is key...super excited to hear about the new video dude! Thanks in advance!
That's a good advice, hence why player matches don't tilt me as much as ranked. Another advice would be talking to yourself while you play. You are really good at that. I'd say you could have an hour long conversation with yourself about whatever if you really wanted to. I can't do that, but I found that when I streamed for the first time, I felt the pressure to talk to my audience of 2, so I was just analysing the gameplay out loud and I found it helped a lot, increased my focus and reduced the tilt to almost zero. But the thought of internet strangers getting aroused by my incompetence has put me off so I won't by trying to stream again.
i had the same thought few days ago after a terrible lose streak in ranked (way too focused on the will to get better and do everything perfectly). When i came back after not giving a fuck and just having fun, i got a higher rank than ever. Im not saying that not giving a fk gives me automatic win, but because my mindset was so different, i was able to stop overthinking on every situation. And just that, brings so many changes on the approach of this game. Anyway, hope that makes sense lol. great video as always !
I was stuck at genbu for ages, until I gave up caring about my rank a week later I’m in mighty ruler, this is soo true not taking the game seriously greatly helps u in your games. It’s a game you play it for fun right?
@David Edosomwan it’s much harder to pick up the game now, tekken 7 is my first fighting game,but Iv been playing tekken since release. on release there was a lot of people around my skill level around the blue ranks
Not giving a fuck is a way of life. Life has no meaning besides the arbitrary meaning we individualy give it, so just do whatever you want and enjoy every moment while trying not to ruin the fun for everyone else. My mantra for Tekken lately is "I'll never be good at Tekken, I play Tekken cause it's fun"
with each video you remind me why you're so awesome. Honestly, I realized that I had been giving tekken too much space in my head and forgetting the part that it's just a game.
This video is so important to me Frame. As a Josie main I face a lot of these situations against unga characters and it hurts. I look forward to EACH and EVERY video because I vibe with them so much. I am so glad I am subscribed to you, you are a big help to my mental. Thank you for existing 🙏
Always dig the slice of life with Frame. Always makes me feel like I'm never alone in the struggle. Youre so right about the "psychological damage" sometimes I'll get so nervous before I even start the game. "Detaching yourself emotionally" is something I never even considered, let alone approaching it as a skill and not a personality trait. Wow, damn. Total head explosion moment. You're the realest dude, thanks!
Was rewatching the why you hate eddy video couple of days ago, i fucking died when you said " but then their mom gave them some apple juice and they calm down " 😂😂😭
I don't even play Tekken anymore (because I'd rather play something with rollback) but my general attitude was you're at the rank you deserve. If you get demoted due to bullshit or are having a rough night and want to play anyways, if you actually deserved that rank you lost you'll get it back. I also advocate occasionally playing when you feel like dogshit not because I think I'll do well playing pissed off or in need of sleep but if you can learn to get through that and play under suboptimal conditions then everything you can manage like that becomes free when you're actually in the zone when you play and you can focus on improving at newer/harder things.
For me, my biggest mental developement in this game is stop trying to win, but break it down to simple goals like shutting down a certain set ups or landing something I've been practicing for weeks/months. Winning is just the cherry on top, improving as a player and developing the ability to transfer what I practiced or saw into a real match, is far more important
This is pretty helpful. I just very recently and freshly reached Intermediate Level even if I am barely there (yet) Even if I will never be able to go back in terms of the level of enjoyment I had when I was still an absolute total beginner and casual, I still dearly love this game despite how insurmountably frustrating and ridiculously and indescribably unfair it can be sometimes
This is very true, I've applied this to my game sessions ever since I watched PHiDX say a similar thing. When you let go of results, when you stop caring about winning or losing, that actually lets you enjoy yourself and learn. It let me just focus on doing that one cool combo ender with my character or doing a max damage punish on a blocked low and generally just having fun. I went from Marauder in green ranks to Destroyer orange after just a few days of playing and barely any additional practice. The colored banner next to your name means nothing by itself. There are people who savescum their way up to TGO and they aren't any better for it. I used to get so flustered and frustrated when facing a character I didn't understand or who had cheesy moves, or even just disrespectful players, but now I generally just find myself trying to learn what is happening in those situations and what I can do, and beacuse I dont care about my rank, it might take me 3, 5 or more losses but eventually I learn something and feel great about it.
7:26-7:56 ... words of gold Thank you for saying this. I'm an opposite case where I've done all right online (I started playing Tekken 7 last fall during the pandemic) but I've struggled in offline locals because I get caught in why I can't land combos offline that I can land with ease online. Getting better with detaching oneself during offline, which I have limited experience, is the next step.
this is so true, every time i lose multiple times I always change and learn a new character and it always back fires... gonna stick to one character soon, hopefully.
something similar to this that’s helped me a lot is trying to find the humour in fighting games. oftentimes when I encounter something in a fighting game that upsets me, it’s because I’ve had my expectations subverted -- maybe about my play, my skill level, or my understanding of the game/matchup, and because learning a game means overcoming unfamiliarity with its particulars, it meant that encountering things I didn’t understand was frustrating. so in order to ensure my time with fighting games was fun and productive, as well as so I wouldn’t make anyone else uncomfortable by being mad at the game, I resolved to try and find the humour in these things I’m not familiar with -- essentially laughing instead of saying curse words, and it’s made a pretty huge difference for me
Totally agreed. My anecdotal proof, is that my best games are when I'm in voice chat with the person and shit talking, not really caring that much and not focusing too hard.
It's very good advice which can be applied to any competitive game. If you start caring too much it will affect your mental which in the worst case will make you drop the game. In order to reach the top you will need to play a lot, but a lot of that will be losses as well. How I tried to deal with this is by respecting the game as it is. Getting good at something is a marathon, not a sprint. People have been playing tekken for decades so its fine to lose against people, try to not let it affect you as this is the main source why you stop improving. As long as you have the motivation to keep on going you will become better. Great video Frame!
That happened to me both while trying to speak Japanese. I did my best when slightly drunk in an Izakaya, talking with random Japanese oldmen than just about anywhere else. Trying to use the little Japanese I knew at work was incredibly stressful, while babbling with drunk sarariiman was actually quite enjoyable.
Tekken Rev' was truly the best opportunity for the Arcadeless player to adopt this mentality. I knew what that game was going in. I'm grateful it encouraged & enabled my mindset going out. Tekken 7 has never been stress for its whole lifespan. Only that brief period of "None of my characters are here.", otherwise a good experience.
I completely agree with what you say. I notice that the more I stop caring about how bad or good I'm playing, the more fun I have and I start doing better too. Very refreshing to hear that
People focus on ranked too much. Play quick match, have fun, you'll see way more improvements without the unnecessary annoyance of winning/losing points - people don't learn much from losses when they're stressed out. Quick match scales opponents according to your level anyways, you'll be finding people roughly at your skill level. The real defining moments of play are when you meet someone who serves your ass up completely - they out space you, duck your strings, predict your next move, whiff punish and block punish everything etc. Your game plan becomes so dismantled that you realize you're not half as good as you thought you'd become - you realize you're predictable and need to start playing solid. For anyone seeking improvement, start the pilgrimage to find unequivocally more skilled players and get whooped. Approach these matches from a place of humility and you'll improve crazy fast.
I think a big part about trying to get better is to actually commit to the things you say and do it, whether that means go to training mode or drop the game. On a fundamental level, I think Tekken is probably the most "makes sense" fighting game on the market but I simply can't be bothered to play it anymore despite me liking many aspects of it. It promises gameplay that it simply doesn't deliver IMO, actual consistent hitboxes, and movement that matters aren't things that I legitimately see reflected in the thousands of hours I played. I went from not knowing anything about Tekken to Ruler ranks with Steve, considered by the community to not be a braindead character. And after this time I realised, that Tekken 7 is not for me, despite my admittance that on a technical level, it still might be the best. I enjoy my time spent with Rocket League and DBFZ far more because I don't have grievances that I see from a design perspective. DBFZ might be a little strange but it always functions as normal and doesn't just fucking break, that's the issue, I don't want to play a game that consistently fucks up. Unlike a lot of players I'm not going to accept the crippling flaws I think something has, and I don't think you should either. The whole point of my comment here is that, if you're on the fence about dropping a game. Just drop it, you can always come back and change your mind, there are plenty of other games to play and your time on this earth is limited, spend it doing something you actually find rewarding, not getting hit by a jab on your sidewalk when the model is in another dimension and has no business hitting you.
Great video, i’s exactly what i was looking for today. I’m getting frustrated less and less but it still happens and i wanted to see how other people approach mental game. I agree it is crucial!
The most we can do for ourselves is just try and accept the game for what it is, instead of dwelling on things surrounding it that we can't change regardless. But it can seriously be taxing where, I've spent a really long while labbing Jin's movelist and execution just to get a grasp on the character, however, I'm still just scratching the surface due to how much match up knowledge it seems like it takes to make the character work. That, and how cheese seems to carry players using a lot of the other characters regardless of their execution and match up knowledge can just leave me feeling pretty burnt out playing ranked.
Came across this a year later….definitely something i needed to hear. I’ve started feeling some tekken burnout and i realize it’s bc I’m upsetting myself instead of just having fun and enjoying the journey
Just got off of a demotion set playing against a Heihachi who was only my rank because they were a billion ranks higher on another character. They were 300000 tekken prowess at Byakko. I had just 0 knowledge of what was going on, billions of electrics and omens being thrown out in neutral, no opening, unseeable db2 because online tekken lol... It was so frustrating and then to just look and go "oh... this guy has 2500 hours on the game... of course he won" The skill disparity is just so disheartening sometimes. You really have to look at ranks and go "yeah, this means literally nothing" when you see dudes like me who belong in red ranks as my first competitive tekken with a few hundred hours, and that monster there. There are so many 1500+ hour players at red ranks and it really just makes me feel like... alright, whatever, this isn't a fair game. That's fine. Hopefully I learn something. But it does just make me think, what's the point of tekken prowess? "Hey you're gonna get your ass kicked, heads up! This guy probably shouldn't be this rank but he is, get fucked lol!" A lot of the game psychologically, even moreso than most fighting games, just punches you in the dick and expects you to stay calm.
A while ago I hit this strange flow state while playing. Sort of like described in the movie "Soul". I was focusing way less on the specifics and felt like I wasnt even thinking about anything specific in the match. I normally play overly analytical and tryhard. Playing "correctly". Even though I have made huge strides in the last year or so, consistently beating ruler rank, and later blue rank players, I still feel like that flow state had some of my most competent gameplay. Confirming sidestep whiffs into punish like breathing. Getting a really intense sense of the opponents rhythm. I have not really been able to get that flow state again since then.
I’ve recently started practicing this mantra a few months ago and it hasn’t improved my skills but I’ve enjoyed the game far more than when i first got it day 1 on console
Art of not giving a F. Very true. I can feel my attitude subconsciously changes against lower rank vs higher rank which puts pre-determined play style. gotta not give a F.
Thank you for this video! I've been demoted recently and lost three ranks bc of my emotional reactions to my losses. But after I watched this I've got my ranks back (no jokes). Not giving a fuck so powerful thing in Tekken
Oh hey one of the few times I agree with one of your viewpoints. I think this is something that is easier for arcade players than those who grew up online.
My 2 cents, sorry for the essay… I recently hit Warrior with my ‘new’ main after around 450 wins. After taking a break for a couple of days, I decided to delete my account and start a new one to see how long it would take to get back to Warrior. It took 53 wins, and I maybe lost 10 matches at most. Maybe it’s just because I figured out how to beat the greens, and so, this is a replicable proof of that. But actually, what seemed to happen was, throughout the silvers and light blues, my mindset was, “These players are easy, so I’ll just beat them easy and get to the next rank.” And that’s what happened. When I got to greens, I kept thinking, “Well, there’s not a huge difference between this rank and the last one.” Promotion. “We’ll, there’s not a huge difference between this rank and the last one.” Promotion. When I was grinding my 450 wins to get to Warrior, I wasn’t thinking like that at all… I was GRINDING. I’d mentally turned it into a grind. WhenI got there in 50, my mentality was totally different. Or maybe that’s all just woo and I did just learn how to solve the greens.
Sometimes in apex (haven’t played a fg in a while) I rewatch clips I have done really well when im on a losing streak it helps me not care going back in to the game usually I end up making another clip
I once was playing Negan online and got me shit pushed in to the point where, out of sheer spite and enptiness, i kept playing but i played with the intention of "unga bunga, not trying" because i couldnt care any more or any less about Tekken in that moment. Best games i'd played in weeks. There's a book out there called "The subtle art of not giving a fuck". You couldve told me you cowrote it and i'd have believed you
I often consider that some buddhist monk mindset is essential when going through your own tekken adversities but maybe the "don't give a fuck" approach is just as good.
You speak nothing but truth, or should I say whisper? Once I zone out I become 10x better, ultra instinct was a really good allegory for it. Thanks for putting it into words my man.
It's a fine line. You have to emotionally detach and keep your ego at bay to maximize performance. But at least for me, if I keep my feelings down for too long I start to question why I'm even playing if that's the mentality I have to enforce to keep myself playing at my best. On top of that, my enjoyment of the gameplay itself starts to diminish rapidly. It's a double edged sword. You don't take any mental hits when things go south, but your dopamine hit for successful plays or even winning is also lowered.
This may sound odd but hearing this has put my soul at ease.
It is sad how many people underestimate how strong the mind is
I really needed to hear this, i recently had to take a break and it was because i was taking everything too seriously and not detaching and having fun. Definitely gonna try to step back more and enjoy the game for what it is
Sameee
Learn why you're getting beat and enjoy the journey.
This is the exact advice when I was given when learning VF5, "fight like you dont give a shit"
I will do that wish me luck hahah
The only thing that pisses me of is the fact that many players won't go for a rematch and then you end up waiting for some time until the next match starts
This is great because it doesn't have to be only about Tekken, but about all fighting games and competitive games in general
So drink 10 beers the night before playing and you go into ultra instinct the next day when you're hungover. Got it.
Only 10?
@@persondavis1294 usually enough, if you are not fat or alcoholic.
@@laine1967 well being fat doesn't always equate to tolerance and a dependence on alcohol would increase your tolerance but you dont have to be an alcoholic to have enough enzymes in your liver to process 10 beers if they're the regular 4% alcohol cans. I will say your completely right and this is a very roundabout way of saying it.
I fully agree! I catch myself being so in my head being negative that I forget I started playing this because it was fun and looked cool
i burnt my soul caring too much and beeing too emotional with league of legends, now with tekken and using your same mentality i learn something new every match and i enjoy the game a lot. You are spot on as always
Dropping some wisdom here bro, wisdom that can be applied to all aspects of life.
I just reached Genbu too with my boi Miguel the other day! 471 hours total. ~410 hours of being Green. Never thought I'd be good enough to be red in Asia, but I did it! Red is probably the furthest I can go because I'm not willing to put in the time to practice characters other than Miguel and study matchups, but that's OK. I'm a scrubby boi. I hopkick often on round start. I punish -26 lows with ws+4 way too much. I eat more 30f snake edges than I'd like. But I'm the type of person to react to that with a db+1* of my own. If I get launched because of my trolling, I get laughs out of it. I think that mentality of being able to party even if you're not a Yoshi player is cool to have, because it allows you to have fun with the game for its own sake. I'm using Miguel for crying out loud! I'm here to brawl and ungabunga random players at 1AM. That should be enough for most people to be happy. 😂
I would have probably gotten better faster if I started labbing and setting up replay bootcamps for myself. But I would also probably have uninstalled the game sooner. I worked way too many 12-16hr. shifts last year, in this pandemic, in my accursed country, and yet I destressed with Tekken, can you believe it?
What's your rank now?
I really starting to feel this recently, I get too emotionally attached the game feels much more frustrating and the feeling of dread that I MUST go in to the lab really plagues my enjoyment of the game. Even playing sets with friends are rough when that happens because I feel like I'm just screwing up so much. But when I think back on how I improved for league which I spent like 7 years playing before I got into fighting games, it was just constantly running it back and just having fun running games brainlessly.
When I used to play quake I would stay up late and only start playing competitively once I felt like I could fall asleep in a second and that’s when I was at my best.
I figured I’m not focusing so I just act on instincts and my aim became amazing
This is some of the best advice anyone can receive. It's easy to get frustrated over unfair BS, and I've broken plenty of controllers myself. I had to remind myself that at the end of the day it's just a f**ing game. Like you said it's a skill I had to learn. Thanks for the reminder.
That's what I do, especially with my Yoshi. Empty your mind. Be formless. Be shapeless like water. Water can flow, or it can crash.
Bruce Lee quote memes aside, it does help. Having nerves and pressuring oneself is a burden that will pretty much nerf you as a player. It can even potentially make you drop combos you normally don't drop.
Anyways, awesome content as always!
I love all of you yoshi players, always fun to fight. - Your friend, a lei main
@@PoloFlo.. 👍😂
Love you Lei mains as well.
My favorite time I faced one of you peeps. A Lei threw me and ended up KO-ing himself against the wall in his back.
I promise you, even if I'm in a 10 straight losing streak, I always end up laughing during and after the session. xD
@@AngeloGene 😂 😂
It's really strange how as the video has preceded I slowly notice that I've came to the same realization on my own in this past month playing nothing but Tekken I finally found the groove the zone the meditative state as you have
The biggest promotion streak I ever went on was after I flew back from Japan to Canada and I needed to keep myself up as long as possible to try to normalize my sleep schedule. I played 7 hours of tekken and went 32 hours without sleep. It all felt like a dream, but when I woke up I was a genbu.
LMAOOOO it sounds like a great fever dream
The sage advice phrased in a modern way that everyone needed to hear. I've been thinking about the same thing for a year in my journey with fighting games and anger management. I think it's healthier and overall more positive to take in the good parts of competitive gaming and try to be detached otherwise. A lot of self-hate periods could have been avoided for me if I never tried to put my pride on the game despite being objectively on the weakest end of the playerbase lol.
No matter how long of a break I take from playing tekken, there's always time for Frame and Aris
I was skeptical at first, but thinking about this, I feel like it’s really true. It makes me think of Sonicfox - who will laugh off a defeat - compared to, say, Grr, who is super emotionally invested...this video made me think. Thanks💯
The whole video rings true. When you are winning a deathmatch you can see it in your opponents how they make worse and worse decisions and how from a very difficult match it's becoming really easy. Genbu is where my skill level is maxing out but I enjoy the game a lot on this level and levels below. I would like to be better but I don't care that much about it as I enjoy the game at that level. You can see people that are playing it like it's work or a chore. Quit on first loss, plug, cheat. These are people that mostly likely enjoy the winning but not "playing" the game. The mirror match thing used to bug me so much :D I used to get so stressed out during a mirror match thinking I have to win it :D. Nowadays I hope the other guys i better so I can learn some new stuff or way of playing the character. Demotion just means you will be able to play against worse players and have an easier time until you get the rank back.
Very solid advice, Frame. I've always been very passionate about some of the games I play and I just care too much. My own performance has always been a big issue for me. I play it for the sake of challenging myself but started to grow arrogant because I was performing well too. It wasn't doing me any good, so I've stop playing in general.
A few friends have asked me to come back and decided to give it a try, with a different mindset: not giving a fuck anymore.
It turns out that... not only I can focus on having fun, but now, ironically, I've been playing better than ever too.
Hearing you say these things that were already in the back of my mind kinda just nailed in the coffin for me.
Thanks you for your video.
I'm 26, I used to be a very angry gamer as a kid. And I sometimes still can't hold it back. I'm a very emotional person, unfortunately that's no good thing when it comes to competetive gaming. Insane video, keep up the good work!
My dude this not just good fighting game advice, this is good life advice.
You have no idea how perfectly timed this video is.
Totally agree but really needed to hear that today! Been labbing hard all week and feel like it took me backwards, this helped me relax and let muscle memory do the work. Thank you!
Excellent advice as usual.
I've tried to care less lately and funny enough it's helped me to cope more with the game and actually improve.
It is true. The problem is emotion is not something that can be easily control. I think every pro player said the same thing. The best advice for new player is to persevere. Stop playing once u felt too tilted and come back later.
Some of what is explained here are practically impostor syndrome, basically someone's tendency to feel like they're inadequate through even the tiniest mistake where normally they actually do well most of the time. Seen this often thrown around, especially in the engineering/programming field. So the advice that is told here in my opinion is priceless and can be applicable IRL as well. Major props to you for giving such golden advice.
Last night I literally said I want a new Frame video and low and behold I woke up to a beautiful notification
I can definitely agree with what you're saying here. I remember going to my first competitive tournament and got after a few fights I got absolutely demolished by this one Hwoarang player who was doing super well,.He invited me to a Tekken session the next day and after resetting my mind, putting anxieties and frustrations to the side, I was able to stand toe to toe against him. Thanks for reaffirming that Frame :)
I agree with everything you said in this video, lately I´ve been doing something that its helping a lot.. so usually when I played ranked I got stressed and angry at people for playing weird charactes and do weird stuff, one day i just mute the game to stop listening lucky chloe cuz it was getting on my nerves, then i decide to listen to some music (bob marley to be precise) I'd never listen to music when playing games cuz i thought the sounds of the game are important to make reads or confirm ch etc etc, but not hearing the game music and my opponents character voice just made me felt at peace. Its been almost two months of playing with the game on mute and im having so much fun, I listen all kinds of music and is really fun cuz it helps me change my timming according to the song that is playing, also i think my visual reflexes are getting better, im making better reads just climbing on ranked. But of all the things that are getting better I think what I like the most is that Im not giving a fuck about the outcome of the fights, the other day I encounter another lucky chloe (who usually gets on my nerves) and she was kicking my ass, but she was doing it perfectly in sync with the song i was listening and that just made me laugh so much.
This is great advice, and it is in fact something I do already. Another thing is to not make assumptions, nor to create expectations based on ranks, including your own. Judge them based on their skill and performance. I often think it'd be nice to have a "rank scrambler" mod.
Every single word is true, for me at least. Detaching emotionally helps concentrating a lot. Thinking not about bullshit moves but about enemy's movement patterns, noticing strings and habits would of course win you more games. It's just that is a thing you hardly can practice, unlike your own exectution. It's like connecting one's mind to one's muscles. You can train muscles, sure, but how do you train your mind? I'm not really a person to have parties at nights with alcohol involved so I'm not going to be able to, so to say, "cheat" my head into not being able to physically give fucks due to hangover. One more thing that in real life I'm chill as capybara, but when I'm playing the game I know I'm playing the game, right? That automatically puts my mind into a state at which I don't mind raging and whatnot, since it wouldn't matter to anyone really - it's just a game and outside of it I am almost a normal person. About half a year ago I spoke to Anakin in twitch chat during his stream and asked how pro players stay so calm in-game and how can I become more like that. He didn't gave me a clear answer but told me that if I'm able to identify the issue I'm already doing good. Right now I am slightly higher on the ladder (made orange ranks in comparisn to green back then) and still not sure if I got to solve that issue.
TL;DR - your brain can be your biggest enemy, don't trust it.
I think its also important to realize that playing this game shouldn't be torture. I only play quick matches or with people I know and that helps me the most.
I do believe this is not only applied to intermediate rank players, this is 9999% for low rank players like me who gets really nervous at some rounds and even lost against my own main and even question myself if I'm really capable of playing this game.
Sure, I may not easily remove my nervousness, doubts and autopilots, but hearing you say "just remember those moments where you actually did extremely well", I felt like doubting myself or getting emotionally attached to a match that I lost is a waste of energy, especially that I'm on a "pad to stick transition" mode.
Thank you so much for the tips dear sir. You should be having a long talk session with JDCR and other Tekken personalities.
When Marduk or whoever else lands that, I think "they've deserved it. By the rules, they've deserved it. I also have my share of that".
I have a lot of experience playing DDR/Pump It Up competitively (over a decade) and it teaches you to be mellow. You can't just scream at arrows and make yourself less tired or less confused. By containing yourself, you usually can.
I really enjoy listening to all those stories and advices (with some coffee :) ) And Im pretty excited to hear about another character guide! Those are so well made and entertaining. Maining Bob pretty much cause of your guide. Keep dat shit comin Frame!
I’m actually guilty of positive energy sabotaging me as well. Those really positive moments leave me with this sense that “I’m gonna make it out” of a bad game and I let it slip away. Balance is key...super excited to hear about the new video dude! Thanks in advance!
That's a good advice, hence why player matches don't tilt me as much as ranked.
Another advice would be talking to yourself while you play. You are really good at that. I'd say you could have an hour long conversation with yourself about whatever if you really wanted to.
I can't do that, but I found that when I streamed for the first time, I felt the pressure to talk to my audience of 2, so I was just analysing the gameplay out loud and I found it helped a lot, increased my focus and reduced the tilt to almost zero.
But the thought of internet strangers getting aroused by my incompetence has put me off so I won't by trying to stream again.
i had the same thought few days ago after a terrible lose streak in ranked (way too focused on the will to get better and do everything perfectly). When i came back after not giving a fuck and just having fun, i got a higher rank than ever.
Im not saying that not giving a fk gives me automatic win, but because my mindset was so different, i was able to stop overthinking on every situation. And just that, brings so many changes on the approach of this game.
Anyway, hope that makes sense lol. great video as always !
I was stuck at genbu for ages, until I gave up caring about my rank a week later I’m in mighty ruler, this is soo true not taking the game seriously greatly helps u in your games. It’s a game you play it for fun right?
@David Edosomwan it’s much harder to pick up the game now, tekken 7 is my first fighting game,but Iv been playing tekken since release. on release there was a lot of people around my skill level around the blue ranks
Not giving a fuck is a way of life. Life has no meaning besides the arbitrary meaning we individualy give it, so just do whatever you want and enjoy every moment while trying not to ruin the fun for everyone else. My mantra for Tekken lately is "I'll never be good at Tekken, I play Tekken cause it's fun"
I look forward to your content :D
You have a very good point and i think you may be on to something with this
with each video you remind me why you're so awesome. Honestly, I realized that I had been giving tekken too much space in my head and forgetting the part that it's just a game.
This video is so important to me Frame. As a Josie main I face a lot of these situations against unga characters and it hurts. I look forward to EACH and EVERY video because I vibe with them so much. I am so glad I am subscribed to you, you are a big help to my mental. Thank you for existing 🙏
Cool character, thank you!
@@FrameWhisperer Anytime Frame, anytime.
As a Seiryu without learning the proper combos, this video is absolutely true.
Always dig the slice of life with Frame. Always makes me feel like I'm never alone in the struggle.
Youre so right about the "psychological damage" sometimes I'll get so nervous before I even start the game.
"Detaching yourself emotionally" is something I never even considered, let alone approaching it as a skill and not a personality trait.
Wow, damn. Total head explosion moment.
You're the realest dude, thanks!
Was rewatching the why you hate eddy video couple of days ago, i fucking died when you said " but then their mom gave them some apple juice and they calm down " 😂😂😭
I don't even play Tekken anymore (because I'd rather play something with rollback) but my general attitude was you're at the rank you deserve. If you get demoted due to bullshit or are having a rough night and want to play anyways, if you actually deserved that rank you lost you'll get it back.
I also advocate occasionally playing when you feel like dogshit not because I think I'll do well playing pissed off or in need of sleep but if you can learn to get through that and play under suboptimal conditions then everything you can manage like that becomes free when you're actually in the zone when you play and you can focus on improving at newer/harder things.
Dude this is why your channel is awesome.. We come for the tekken shitposts and stay for the life advice. Hope you're doing good Frame
Hope to hear you more often, and glad to see that you are fine. Warmest regards.
hell yea my dude, gotta harness that quan
For me, my biggest mental developement in this game is stop trying to win, but break it down to simple goals like shutting down a certain set ups or landing something I've been practicing for weeks/months. Winning is just the cherry on top, improving as a player and developing the ability to transfer what I practiced or saw into a real match, is far more important
This is pretty helpful. I just very recently and freshly reached Intermediate Level even if I am barely there (yet)
Even if I will never be able to go back in terms of the level of enjoyment I had when I was still an absolute total beginner and casual, I still dearly love this game despite how insurmountably frustrating and ridiculously and indescribably unfair it can be sometimes
I wish I had friends back in my 20's
This is very true, I've applied this to my game sessions ever since I watched PHiDX say a similar thing. When you let go of results, when you stop caring about winning or losing, that actually lets you enjoy yourself and learn.
It let me just focus on doing that one cool combo ender with my character or doing a max damage punish on a blocked low and generally just having fun. I went from Marauder in green ranks to Destroyer orange after just a few days of playing and barely any additional practice. The colored banner next to your name means nothing by itself. There are people who savescum their way up to TGO and they aren't any better for it.
I used to get so flustered and frustrated when facing a character I didn't understand or who had cheesy moves, or even just disrespectful players, but now I generally just find myself trying to learn what is happening in those situations and what I can do, and beacuse I dont care about my rank, it might take me 3, 5 or more losses but eventually I learn something and feel great about it.
7:26-7:56 ... words of gold
Thank you for saying this. I'm an opposite case where I've done all right online (I started playing Tekken 7 last fall during the pandemic) but I've struggled in offline locals because I get caught in why I can't land combos offline that I can land with ease online. Getting better with detaching oneself during offline, which I have limited experience, is the next step.
this is so true, every time i lose multiple times I always change and learn a new character and it always back fires... gonna stick to one character soon, hopefully.
That Bob play was top tier
Hey thanks, played him a lot last stream to check it out if you like 😁
@@FrameWhisperer Thank you will do!
something similar to this that’s helped me a lot is trying to find the humour in fighting games. oftentimes when I encounter something in a fighting game that upsets me, it’s because I’ve had my expectations subverted -- maybe about my play, my skill level, or my understanding of the game/matchup, and because learning a game means overcoming unfamiliarity with its particulars, it meant that encountering things I didn’t understand was frustrating. so in order to ensure my time with fighting games was fun and productive, as well as so I wouldn’t make anyone else uncomfortable by being mad at the game, I resolved to try and find the humour in these things I’m not familiar with -- essentially laughing instead of saying curse words, and it’s made a pretty huge difference for me
Totally agreed. My anecdotal proof, is that my best games are when I'm in voice chat with the person and shit talking, not really caring that much and not focusing too hard.
Your advice and reading FURKELDURK made my night lol cheers mate!
It's very good advice which can be applied to any competitive game. If you start caring too much it will affect your mental which in the worst case will make you drop the game. In order to reach the top you will need to play a lot, but a lot of that will be losses as well. How I tried to deal with this is by respecting the game as it is. Getting good at something is a marathon, not a sprint.
People have been playing tekken for decades so its fine to lose against people, try to not let it affect you as this is the main source why you stop improving. As long as you have the motivation to keep on going you will become better. Great video Frame!
After almost 180 hours of playtime, I decided to stop giving a fuck and just main Bob. Tekken hasn't been this fun in months. Great video.
That happened to me both while trying to speak Japanese. I did my best when slightly drunk in an Izakaya, talking with random Japanese oldmen than just about anywhere else. Trying to use the little Japanese I knew at work was incredibly stressful, while babbling with drunk sarariiman was actually quite enjoyable.
Tekken Rev' was truly the best opportunity for the Arcadeless player to adopt this mentality.
I knew what that game was going in.
I'm grateful it encouraged & enabled my mindset going out.
Tekken 7 has never been stress for its whole lifespan.
Only that brief period of "None of my characters are here.", otherwise a good experience.
Frame, you are one beautiful bastard. Many thanks for the motivational video, good sir!
I completely agree with what you say. I notice that the more I stop caring about how bad or good I'm playing, the more fun I have and I start doing better too. Very refreshing to hear that
People focus on ranked too much.
Play quick match, have fun, you'll see way more improvements without the unnecessary annoyance of winning/losing points - people don't learn much from losses when they're stressed out. Quick match scales opponents according to your level anyways, you'll be finding people roughly at your skill level.
The real defining moments of play are when you meet someone who serves your ass up completely - they out space you, duck your strings, predict your next move, whiff punish and block punish everything etc.
Your game plan becomes so dismantled that you realize you're not half as good as you thought you'd become - you realize you're predictable and need to start playing solid.
For anyone seeking improvement, start the pilgrimage to find unequivocally more skilled players and get whooped. Approach these matches from a place of humility and you'll improve crazy fast.
I had a run last week which was 14 consecutive Ls, 1 Win, followed by 10 more Ls, shit can be BRUTAL on your soul lol
Awesome advice! I agree we all need to focus on the positives during online play! :D
I think a big part about trying to get better is to actually commit to the things you say and do it, whether that means go to training mode or drop the game. On a fundamental level, I think Tekken is probably the most "makes sense" fighting game on the market but I simply can't be bothered to play it anymore despite me liking many aspects of it. It promises gameplay that it simply doesn't deliver IMO, actual consistent hitboxes, and movement that matters aren't things that I legitimately see reflected in the thousands of hours I played. I went from not knowing anything about Tekken to Ruler ranks with Steve, considered by the community to not be a braindead character. And after this time I realised, that Tekken 7 is not for me, despite my admittance that on a technical level, it still might be the best.
I enjoy my time spent with Rocket League and DBFZ far more because I don't have grievances that I see from a design perspective. DBFZ might be a little strange but it always functions as normal and doesn't just fucking break, that's the issue, I don't want to play a game that consistently fucks up. Unlike a lot of players I'm not going to accept the crippling flaws I think something has, and I don't think you should either.
The whole point of my comment here is that, if you're on the fence about dropping a game. Just drop it, you can always come back and change your mind, there are plenty of other games to play and your time on this earth is limited, spend it doing something you actually find rewarding, not getting hit by a jab on your sidewalk when the model is in another dimension and has no business hitting you.
Great video, i’s exactly what i was looking for today. I’m getting frustrated less and less but it still happens and i wanted to see how other people approach mental game. I agree it is crucial!
Gonna share to my friends who are having the same problem and I felt more woke than ever now thanks!
The most we can do for ourselves is just try and accept the game for what it is, instead of dwelling on things surrounding it that we can't change regardless. But it can seriously be taxing where, I've spent a really long while labbing Jin's movelist and execution just to get a grasp on the character, however, I'm still just scratching the surface due to how much match up knowledge it seems like it takes to make the character work. That, and how cheese seems to carry players using a lot of the other characters regardless of their execution and match up knowledge can just leave me feeling pretty burnt out playing ranked.
Came across this a year later….definitely something i needed to hear. I’ve started feeling some tekken burnout and i realize it’s bc I’m upsetting myself instead of just having fun and enjoying the journey
Just got off of a demotion set playing against a Heihachi who was only my rank because they were a billion ranks higher on another character. They were 300000 tekken prowess at Byakko. I had just 0 knowledge of what was going on, billions of electrics and omens being thrown out in neutral, no opening, unseeable db2 because online tekken lol...
It was so frustrating and then to just look and go "oh... this guy has 2500 hours on the game... of course he won"
The skill disparity is just so disheartening sometimes. You really have to look at ranks and go "yeah, this means literally nothing" when you see dudes like me who belong in red ranks as my first competitive tekken with a few hundred hours, and that monster there. There are so many 1500+ hour players at red ranks and it really just makes me feel like... alright, whatever, this isn't a fair game. That's fine. Hopefully I learn something.
But it does just make me think, what's the point of tekken prowess? "Hey you're gonna get your ass kicked, heads up! This guy probably shouldn't be this rank but he is, get fucked lol!"
A lot of the game psychologically, even moreso than most fighting games, just punches you in the dick and expects you to stay calm.
A while ago I hit this strange flow state while playing. Sort of like described in the movie "Soul". I was focusing way less on the specifics and felt like I wasnt even thinking about anything specific in the match. I normally play overly analytical and tryhard. Playing "correctly".
Even though I have made huge strides in the last year or so, consistently beating ruler rank, and later blue rank players, I still feel like that flow state had some of my most competent gameplay. Confirming sidestep whiffs into punish like breathing. Getting a really intense sense of the opponents rhythm. I have not really been able to get that flow state again since then.
With the new game out this advice rings truer then ever. Appreciate the video, its definitely helped a lot
This really goes for most fighting games I've learned as I've gotten older great video. Everything starts with your mindset
I’ve recently started practicing this mantra a few months ago and it hasn’t improved my skills but I’ve enjoyed the game far more than when i first got it day 1 on console
you speak the truth...it can get really frustrating especially after you have been putting time and efforts in imprivong combos and technique...
The real question is did Bob win the Tekken King promotion match? The world may never know....
Art of not giving a F.
Very true. I can feel my attitude subconsciously changes against lower rank vs higher rank which puts
pre-determined play style. gotta not give a F.
Thank you for this video!
I've been demoted recently and lost three ranks bc of my emotional reactions to my losses. But after I watched this I've got my ranks back (no jokes).
Not giving a fuck so powerful thing in Tekken
This is gonna come in handy, thanks Frame! Hope you're doing well!
Oh hey one of the few times I agree with one of your viewpoints. I think this is something that is easier for arcade players than those who grew up online.
Awesome words man. Been watchn your videos and i must say you are my favorite that truly explains the ups and downs of this game. 👍
This is legendary advice. I have had similar experiences myself and it's always a good feeling pulling off the "I don't give a fuck" mentality.
My 2 cents, sorry for the essay…
I recently hit Warrior with my ‘new’ main after around 450 wins. After taking a break for a couple of days, I decided to delete my account and start a new one to see how long it would take to get back to Warrior. It took 53 wins, and I maybe lost 10 matches at most.
Maybe it’s just because I figured out how to beat the greens, and so, this is a replicable proof of that. But actually, what seemed to happen was, throughout the silvers and light blues, my mindset was, “These players are easy, so I’ll just beat them easy and get to the next rank.” And that’s what happened.
When I got to greens, I kept thinking, “Well, there’s not a huge difference between this rank and the last one.” Promotion. “We’ll, there’s not a huge difference between this rank and the last one.” Promotion.
When I was grinding my 450 wins to get to Warrior, I wasn’t thinking like that at all… I was GRINDING. I’d mentally turned it into a grind. WhenI got there in 50, my mentality was totally different.
Or maybe that’s all just woo and I did just learn how to solve the greens.
Sometimes in apex (haven’t played a fg in a while) I rewatch clips I have done really well when im on a losing streak it helps me not care going back in to the game usually I end up making another clip
Its kinda what I like to say about tekken. "Learn to like losing"
I once was playing Negan online and got me shit pushed in to the point where, out of sheer spite and enptiness, i kept playing but i played with the intention of "unga bunga, not trying" because i couldnt care any more or any less about Tekken in that moment. Best games i'd played in weeks.
There's a book out there called "The subtle art of not giving a fuck". You couldve told me you cowrote it and i'd have believed you
I often consider that some buddhist monk mindset is essential when going through your own tekken adversities but maybe the "don't give a fuck" approach is just as good.
The most important advice I needed as an intermediate, Thank you.
This is such great life advice as well btw. Love you frame
You speak nothing but truth, or should I say whisper?
Once I zone out I become 10x better, ultra instinct was a really good allegory for it.
Thanks for putting it into words my man.
It's funny that I made this same point to my gf about not giving a fuck in order for me to stop getting so mad at the game.
It's a fine line. You have to emotionally detach and keep your ego at bay to maximize performance. But at least for me, if I keep my feelings down for too long I start to question why I'm even playing if that's the mentality I have to enforce to keep myself playing at my best. On top of that, my enjoyment of the gameplay itself starts to diminish rapidly.
It's a double edged sword. You don't take any mental hits when things go south, but your dopamine hit for successful plays or even winning is also lowered.
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you really emphasized how important tekken days were with the squad with that delicious POP