It took many years, but Mark Zuckerberg 4.0 has finally achieved sentience. This is the most human looking Mark I think they have come out with so far.
Haptics were hard. they are no longer hard. Creating various vibrations on queue is easy. Determining WHEN to do so is HARD. Thats AI; AI solves that problem. Haptics are about to become easy... in relation
@@Cotton4615 you're limiting the definition of haptics to vibration only Because its hard to do otherwise, aka haptics only exist in the sense of vibration because otherwise its too hard to. for example: a haptic feedback of an actual hug. and That was the point.
@@Cotton4615my man, that’s not the point. The point is that even with advancements in technology that it doesn’t matter. She misses her mom, the physical connection. And it extends to longing for those connections with people in general. So, yeah, I bet AI can do good someday at making haptics… fuckin, work I guess? But who cares when we all feel so empty and alone.
Couldn't agree more. Zuckerberg missed the point. In his position, he naturally has no other choice but to word salad his way around the question. Our problem is that we shove display over display into our faces every single day. Social media is more entertainment than social with Reels, Shorts and all that. It is not social anymore. I'm currently 22. As Cleo mentioned, in my age group social connections have dropped by 70%. However, we won't be able to get back to the social environment we used to have prior to phones and social media. I don't know this future is pretty cool but also an internal threat to our most valuable asset - being human.
What i see happening today is that people are more and more living in virtual realities and ignoring their REAL LIFE needs. More and more people who are depressed,anxious,sick,poor etc, because they are addicted to virtual worlds. We dont need "better" virtual worlds. We need to make the REAL WORLD BETTER.
The fact you know about those people does't cancel the fact they were not present in each epoch and time before. They were always present,, you just didnt knew they were present.
We’re also all more individualistic. Before people used to watch the same channels on cable tv and talk about it at school in the morning. Now we all have our own feeds and are doing our own creative things, which is ok but I feel there needs to be some sorta same thing that will give everyone a sense of community.
Cleo! I'd love to see a short 5/10m segment at the end where you break down your general thoughts on the interview! After speaking to people, I'd be really interested to know more about your thoughts/feelings and personal takeaways!
He said he dont know why people have less friend and social media is not to blame, and than he said most people on social media dont interact with friends but with influencers. You dont need calculus for that. 😂
And it's because his Al Gore Rhythms push other content at the expense of connecting with friends. They don't give you easy tools to track and stay connected to friends. It is about making money first.
The wolf doesn't tell the sheep it's going to eat it. He keeps people glued to their phones and he is fully aware of that. This is just a PR spin so even more people buy his products. Endless hell.
I’ve been following Cleo’s career since Vox. I’m so thoroughly impressed by her focus, vision, & dedication. She’s done such a great job! This first interview with Zuck is truly HUGE! Thank you, @CleoAbram 🙏🏾
She deserved it and did an amazing job. She is going to be huge. Who wouldn't want to be interviewed by her. Show your work and finally have someone push you on the difficult problems you're fighting through. 😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Honestly: I BADLY want a great pair of AR glasses, but I DO NOT want that product to be owned and controlled by Facebook. Meta/Facebook have proven over and over again that given the choice between their users and profit, they WILL choose profit. There is no ethical compass for this company. It's not the tech that should scare you. It's the people who own it.
The last two lines are absolutely on point. If more people understand that tech is not the issue, the people who own it is, there would be les fear amongst people and actual optimistic progress.
Meta subsidized VR when no one else wanted to do it but China. meaning Facebook is losing money constantly so the devices they sell will be cheap. They aren't being like Microsoft who I love but they are greedy most time except for Gamepass. Apple don't care at all lmao they want every dollar, except for AppleTV that's cheap. But Facebook has lost sooooo much money making stuff cheap or free (open-source).
@@rivulet1013 Exactly!! Especially with people who are scared of AI or AGI. AGI would only bring good (of course certain jobs will be lost short term, but long term it'd be good), UNLESS some company like meta or OpenAI are the ones who get on it first and program it to be biased and not strive to be grounded in reality.
He looks like deep down he knows she's right be it conflicts with selling this product that he's HEAVILY invested in. You can almost hear his brain cogs grinding.
Cute jokes or whatever but he's doing something revolutionary for the world. Mark was making a joke and it was funny. You want to hug your mother? Buy a flight and visit her. This isn't the product for that but Mark is operating on a divine level in regards to his productivity. This technology isn't detrimental, it's a solution to an advancing world.
She's going to explode on these interviews. A normal person's Lex Friedman. Amazing work pushing topics. Those topics are important and not just canned questions looming for a zinger. The positive mindset has become a superpower in her interview skills.
cleo asked a DIFFICULT question , mark did not own it. social media is absolutely to “blame” for diminished levels of human contact , I WISHED that The Zuc could own that as the unwanted byproduct and then MEANINGFULLY opine on how they can be part of REVERSING that trend, we replant forests, why can’t we plan to replant relationships ?
Facebook is responsible for the most fun social period I had in my life. It's kind of ruined now. But when you could organize events reliably I was part of groups that did just that all the time. And it reconnected me with an army of people from my past that I otherwise never would have spoken to - or even thought of - again. Many of them are better friends now. Frankly he doesn't get enough credit and a lot of the blame is just people projecting their own social anxiety into him.
It's truly fascinating watching him try to rationalize all of these ideas as being better for human interaction, when all he is doing is building a conduit for companies to monopolize our attention. It's astounding and nauseating at the same time. The future Mark wants isn't for the betterment of the human race.
But it is better for Corporations, and a Government, that want to manipulate entire populations. Remember, “I don’t have to control what you think, I only need to control what you pay attention to.” - Eugene Schwartz
I am so impressed with the obvious and deep preparation that you did for this interview. I have watched so many lost opportunities in interviews because of interviewers trusting that they can wing it. Amazing and I think that your channel should be included in a school’s STEAM curriculum. We are going to put it into ours
I would not be surprised if Zuckerberg also insisted on this interview to be well prepared. He is not like Musk, who publishes every intrusive thought he has and then doubles down on it like a moron.
@@joshuamcshane7566 I am right. Stop trying to make STEAM a thing. A doesn’t belong in STEM, you’re fooling kids into taking A degrees when they’re nowhere near as valuable as STEM degrees.
To all of you in the comments criticizing Cleo's choice to interview Mark Zuckerberg, bringing up all the bad things he has done, etc., please go watch her video explaining the purpose of this new series: ruclips.net/video/JbKzSDfDdns/видео.html It will only take two minutes out of your day. In it she explains that she will be interviewing many leaders who are essentially building the future, whether she agrees with them or not, in order to give us a better idea of their perspectives of the future so that we can understand where the world is going. Because people like Mark, like it or not, are shaping our future, and there is nothing we can do to help it. What we can do is to try to understand what people like him want in this future so that we can find a way that we fit into the grand scheme of things. That is what Cleo is trying to help us do, and what she has always tried to encourage on this channel - to understand the world around us and what the future may hold.
EXACTLY!!! "I want to really engage with what they're imagining so that you can see it clearly, and you can decide whether that's a future that you want to help work toward." Like it or not, he is one of the biggest people in tech, and so it's important to really understand what he wants to create. In this case, it's a device that is constantly "seeing what you see and hears what you hear." then uses "personalized AI" that can understand your actions and model your behaviour.
“People like Mark, like it or not, are the people who will shape the future, and there’s nothing we can do to stop it.” That’s not true. There are things that we could do to try to stop that. Cleo is simply choosing not to. I followed this channel for optimism, not uncritical compliance.
Ultimately I probably agree with you; People should have the opportunity to present the best articulated version of the future they want to build, even if we fundamentally disagree with the way they're doing it... but I'm also worried about giving them the opportunity to whitewash their methods and the let them control the narrative. I'm a big fan of Cleo's work so far, but something about the way she emphasized optimism in her announcement video made me slightly nervous. Optimism without realism can be a bad combination. I hope she keeps letting people share their best version of their ideas regardless of whether I agree with them, but I do want to see the challenging questions play a part... otherwise this becomes a PR channel.
Interesting to hear how he rationalizes social media's enormous impact on human interactions/relationships by stating that it doesn't take away from the ability or desire to meet up in person. It's completely out of touch with the reality, but that must be how he sleeps at night. People are addicted to social media and it has had a devastating effect on human society. I'm grateful that I grew up in a time when we all weren't plugged into the internet and social media 24/7. I learned how important relationships, friendships, and doing things in person are.
I'm on Facebook but I spend maybe 20 minutes or so in an evening just to check a few things out but I don't sit around all day with this. I like to go out get fresh air go to the gym do some walking running and also I do like to watch RUclips videos that are educational. You see the problem is that nobody wants to take any damn responsibility for themselves that the habits they develop. If this is too addicting well then maybe we might actually need a a system where people can go and get specifically tailored mental health services with regard to social media addiction.
@@christopheraaron2412I think you nailed it on the head! People blame their tools for their own lack of control and even motivation to go do something else!
Do you have distant friends? I have friends and relatives partially more than 10,000 km away. Having technologies in addition to physical meetings is a blessing (also saves tons of CO2, but some folks still don't care).
@@JAMisiuk tell that to the drug addicts from the doctors prescribed drugs. While your at it also tell that to all the children that where put i front of TVs, tablets, phones by their parents.
That's seriously the best interview with Zuck I've ever seen. Keeping him giving substantive answers without getting into the weeds all the way through. Bravo.
One of the best interviewers I've seen. Well spoken, genuinely curious, ilusion, great well thought and very asertive questions... 10/10 Cloe. You are the impersonation of what makes a woman being respected
Glad someone finally told him his Star Trek ‘Data’ haircut looked crazy. The ginger curls are far more humanizing. Really interesting information. Cool interview. Finally looking forward to the future.
imagine a future where social media algorithims don't generate insecurities, discrimination and hate to drive engagement or where our data isn't sold internationally without our consent...his future is all about HIM
@@jerrytheant oh you mean to say that there was no discrimination and hatred and racism and all sorts of things that divide societies BEFORE THE SOCIAL MEDIA …….the fact is humans get what they ask for….so don’t blame social media….it is just a tool….remember a tool can be a weapon also
"There's something that I think is really deep about being physically present with a real person, that you don't get from any other technology today". Yeah, so the solution isn't more technology, it's having our existing technology not be purposefully addictive so that people have healthy screen time. Things like these glasses will just make it so that EVEN WHEN you're with someone in person, you can be distracted by other things going on in your glasses.
Why don't you stop calling people and go talk to them everytime you want to call someone 😂😂. Ofcos it's different but most of the time it's impossible to do that. You can't be everywhere everytime. That's what they are trying to solve. Make you feel like you are there when it's practically impossible to be there 😅😅. Nobody said we will be using it to talk to our spouses and children in the same house 😂😂.
She answered this comment on the video w a different question - it’s not because someone can use it for laziness it means it shouldn’t be created” it’s like saying we shouldn’t make medicine bc it produce pollution
I'm a parent with pre teenagers and taking advise from Mark about parenting is the worst thing any parent could do. We are so much struggling with their screentime and getting them to play with friends without a screen. It is clear that these phones are the reason for people having less friends when you grow up with a phone in your hand. If it is up to Mark, our children will grow up with glasses that make everything digital is going to make things worse. And you can think:" I will never buy this for my children" and "it's all the parents fault", but when all the other kids have this tech and find each other online, your kid is the one left behind. Cool these glasses, but socially, things are only to get worse.
I couldn't disagree with this sentiment more. I don't love Mark Zuckerberg, but its undeniable the ways in which technology can improve people's lives.
Did he point a gun at you saying "GIVE YOUR KID THIS IPAD NOW" or something? Or did your kids like, buy the screens you're talking about themselves? How about you take some responsibility as a parent? It's not Zuckemberg raising up your kids, is he?
@@LogsMaggotPeer Pressure is a strong force especially for young people. It's how fashion, technology trends and language for example change. Do you have kids? Because the original comment is 100% realistic and the problem WILL exist soon. Sure you can isolate your child technologically but do you want that?
@@Keepcalm-lovesports why do something to your kid that you know is not good for him? If you and you kid bend under the peer pressure as a parent that’s on you
@@LogsMaggot individual accountability is important, but you've overlooking the fact people with unlimited resources have studied the human mind, ways to essentially get you addicted to applications like it's literally a drug. they're often hooking into the same pathways as drugs...
A man who allegedly harvested credentials & hacked emails in the early days and runs one of the most abusive and fined companies in the world, from a privacy perspective? Not that optimistic.
He isn't a scientist or interesting thinker either. Just one of those mega rich tech dudes who became rich by stealing your data and selling it to advertisers.
'' Seeing and hearing are the sens that we use for kind of taking information and context about the world '' at 13:00 , That statement gave me chills. Basically, what you see and hear , is valuable assets for marketing companies to gather to help them create products that are more and more addictive. Let’s hope that what you see and hear isn’t saved for future marketing. If it is, it could pull us even further away from real life. Our senses of touch, smell, and taste are really the only ones that keeps us connected to what’s real...
Huh, it actually made me optimistic. I like the idea where the next major computing interface is not a screen everyone looks down on and disapears into, but something that allows you to stay in touch with the world and interact with it continously.
I'm honestly really impressed that this 'extra' content has been made free to view on the same channel as the original content. So many of my favourite content creators make additional content, but they often put it on sites like Patreon or make it exclusive to channel members where you have to pay in order to see that additional content.
True, but sometimes other creators aren't as financially stable as others and are trying to break even or earn a bit more. Absolutely love that this isn't behind a paywall though!
@@Kr4zyCrew sure, but that was a very robot answer to "i miss hugging my mom" like it was just about touch sensation in general with no emotional quality to it.
Meta making glasses you put on your face is the scariest thing right after Microsoft, Amazon, Google or Apple doing it. One gigantic way to advertise and data mine. Brilliant
I wear them because I need them to see. If Zuck want to upgrade my entire visual situation with kick ass summonable HUD elements, which I can control with my thoughts, I'm down!
Not the flex you think it is. Vision is affected because of improper vision habits, such as reading too much and staring at a blackboard in class for too long without breaks
Introduction to Meta's Vision(00:00-01:53) Augmented Reality Glasses: The Next Platform(01:53-04:48) Why Build AR Glasses?(04:48-07:22) Different Paths for AR & Mixed Reality(07:22-11:07) Presence & Personalized AI(11:07-13:20) Social Connection & Haptics(13:20-16:55) The Struggle for Social Connection(16:55-22:25) AI’s Impact on Social Media & Content Creation(22:25-35:12) Concerns About the Pace of Change(35:12-38:17) Open Source & Safety in AI(38:17-43:39) Scaling AI & Future Challenges(43:39-46:47) Conclusion and Final Thoughts(46:47-End)
Chapter 1: Introduction to Meta's Vision (00:00 - 01:53) - Mark Zuckerberg's team at Meta is developing technology that could shape the future of billions. - Main focus: understanding the **future Zuckerberg is trying to build**. - Meta's work on **AR glasses**, compared to **Tony Stark**'s fictional technology.
Chapter 2: Augmented Reality Glasses: The Next Platform (01:53 - 04:48) - Meta’s **AR glasses** are the **culmination of 10 years of R&D**. - Features: **full holographic augmented reality**, wide **field of view**, **miniaturized computing** in glasses, allowing for **holographic interactions**. - **Applications**: virtual meetings, games, collaborative work, and **redefining social interaction**. Chapter 3: Why Build AR Glasses? (04:48 - 07:22) - Zuckerberg believes **AR glasses** will be the next major platform after smartphones, offering **natural and social interactions** with the world. - Challenges in **display technology**: **waveguide systems**, **eye-tracking**, and **miniaturized components**.
Chapter 4: Different Paths for AR & Mixed Reality (07:22 - 11:07) - Meta is pursuing **multiple AR product lines**: - **Display-less** glasses (e.g., Ray-Ban Meta) - **Heads-up displays** (mid-range field of view) - **Full holographic AR glasses** (premium product) - **Mixed reality headsets** like **Quest 3** will remain relevant for high-performance tasks. Chapter 5: Presence & Personalized AI (11:07 - 13:20) - Two major values driving Meta’s vision: 1. **Presence**: Feeling truly **present in a virtual space** with others. 2. **Personalized AI**: AI with **contextual awareness** through **glasses**, understanding and assisting users in their daily lives. Chapter 6: Social Connection & Haptics (13:20 - 16:55) - Tech can simulate **presence**, but **haptics** (e.g., **physical touch**) is still challenging to replicate, especially in social interactions. - **Eye contact** and **hand feedback** are easier to develop; **full body sensations** and **force feedback** are much harder. Chapter 7: The Struggle for Social Connection (16:55 - 22:25) - **Decline in social connections**: The average American has **fewer friends** now, and **socializing in person** has dropped by **30-70%**. - AR can help fill the gap by **enabling more digital connections** without replacing physical interactions.
Chapter 8: AI’s Impact on Social Media & Content Creation (22:25 - 35:12) - **Generative AI** will change social media, with more **automated content creation**. - AI will enhance **content personalization**, enabling creators to generate content more easily and efficiently. - AI creators could emerge, offering **AI versions of influencers** for community interaction.
Chapter 9: Concerns About the Pace of Change (35:12 - 38:17) - Rapid changes in **AI and AR technology** can cause anxiety, especially for creators competing in a dynamic environment. - Zuckerberg advises people to stay **curious** and embrace **new technologies** to remain competitive. Chapter 10: Open Source & Safety in AI (38:17 - 43:39) - **Open source AI** allows for **greater innovation and security** through public scrutiny. - Contrary to fears, **open-source models** tend to be **safer** than closed systems due to broader oversight.
Chapter 11: Scaling AI & Future Challenges (43:39 - 46:47) - **Scalability of AI models** is a big question: Meta bets on **scaling AI infrastructure**. - There's uncertainty on whether AI models like **Llama** will continue to scale or hit a limit. Chapter 12: Conclusion and Final Thoughts (46:47 - End) - Zuckerberg discusses potential futures for **AI and hardware**. - Open questions remain about how far **AI can scale** and what the next **20 years of innovation** will look like. - Closing thoughts on **the importance of curiosity** and **embracing change** to succeed in a dynamic future.
wished this interview addressed the harms of social media more. Personal data being sold, perpetuation of hatred, the cancerous and toxic environments that fester in corners
I understand where youre coming from. Its a Totally valid question but you need to realise that cleo focuses on tomorrow’s tech, what you’re asking is social aspect of existing tech
I think, this needed to treat his vision and for that to unroll, there needed to be as less friction as possible between her and Zuck. Otherwise he would just have spat corporate stuff that we know he’s gonna say. You have to listen to him to understand what the future is gonna be and how we can prevent it to happen.
I sit here, listening to all this amazing tech, and my mind keeps asking the same question- why? And then , cynically, the answer arises in my mind - ads.
This is so painfully dystopian. Our lives and brains are already so dominated by constant stimulation and algorithms. Looking at the whole world thru Zuck-colored glasses sounds awful.
@@thecoolguy3498 most research shows that less distractions is better than more regarding to productivity. There are probably niche cases where it might be helpful.
How smartphones are currently designed is already peak dystopian with short form content that functions like a doom scrolling slot machine. With AR glasses like these you could actually have real-time translation when you travel other countries etc. Now VR might be another thing, but I would argue that VR brings a lot more creativity and because it's so immersive and interactive, people would be doing more stuff like creating cool VR worlds rather than watching mind numbing content, hopefully.
Interesting interview, but I'm hearing a lot of corpo speak. The whole excuse of: "Oh well people were feeling lonely before technology was around." doesn't hold up to me and sounds like typical deflection.
Big oil: climate change predates our products. Big tabacco: cancer predates our products. Big pharm: addiction predates our products. Big social: loneliness predates our products. It's the same playbook. Deny. Question. Delay.
Social media is loneliness on steroids though. Young who are learning life inside their screens are extremely disconnected from the real world around them, and when confronted with the real world they have no clue about real life social protocols. I see it every day when I go to town. This is especially hard to watch when parents of these young have grown up or live similarly. I find myself internally retreating more into my small community where the young here are out riding horses along the beach and actually hunting and processing their own meat, tending gardens, diving and fishing. Occasionally though I hear some child or other with a weird accent learnt from head buried in the internet who have come out of the cities to vist relations and this does show hope that a few young souls can be saved from brain rot.@kevintheminion1497
You have to understand, these people aren’t doing this to “solve a problem” or to “make the world a better place.” Mark probably wouldn’t even understand the question: “why are you doing all this?” His primary function is to grow and succeed no matter what that means.
Yes, and I get that it probably was a bit of a joke. But then he goes on to describe why it is so hard and it all becomes to real. Why not start off by saying that a connection like that is irreplaceable and then talk about something that could get you as close as possible.
Almost like not everything is meant for kids. Why would anyone let their child on social media, knowing the things they might see? It's not Mark's fault people post things that are inappropriate. We over-sexualise, hyper-analyse,(both ourselves and others), make any kind of attention seeking behaviour profitable, (whether that be positive or negative), among a bunch of other net negative behaviours. There's no point in asking a stupid question such as "do you let your kids use social media" just because you created a social platform that happens to have a certain reputation. You wouldn't ask a strip club owner if his kid visits his club. You folks are completely disconnected from reality and refuse to use critical thinking skills, and are just looking for an "aha! Got you!" moment, to make you feel better and good about yourself, which, as they say, ignorance is bliss.
@@PartyhatRSthey aren’t talking about the content being inappropriate, like you were saying. They are more implying the addictive nature of social media isn’t for kids… or should be fairly disincentivised for adults also.
@PartyhatRS I agree, but yourn analogy of strip club miss the point. I'd rather compare to some sort of public infrastructure (as a bridge or a acoustic shell) or public model (as a car or an microphone) that was meant for some use, but you can really avoid that people misuse it. The very concept of misuse are blurry sometimes.
Naming statistics on how lonely people are in these last two decades and naming technology as a solution with zuc across the table is wiiiiiiild. On this chanel I liked the rockets, particle colliders, and especially the f1 car, and I like to learn about all that big brain stuff as an outsider, but i dont think you need a PHD to see the irony here 😂😂😂
Cleo in the nicest way possible asking "aren't all of these artificial social networks the culprit to why people are making less in person connections?" Mark's answer was pretty bad, "don't worry AI and AR will 'subsidize' human interaction."
@@Bluur yep i think he struggled the most on that one. especially when he said something like "enchancing digital connection isnt bad since most people already dont have much real life connection anyways" 💀💀
I have never seen him seem so genuinely uncomfortable. Cleo was so thoughtful and careful with calibrating the question that Mark was unable to brush it off.
The fundamental problem here is that it isn't removing the distraction and disconnection of always looking at your phone, it's making the phone the lens through which you see LITERALLY everything. The fact that this will change who we are is, I suspect, inevitable. But like everything else in this space, the development is given priority over the impact.
I think you'd be surprised that a lot of the awfulness caused by social media was just done algorithmically. It makes complete sense that Zuckerberg wants to solve loneliness. Lots of people at Google, including the leadership want to solve the issues they've caused as well, it's just insanely hard. They opened up a Pandora's box and destroying it is...well it is an option but I don't blame an Individual to not want to destroy their creation.
He wants data. He doesn't care about people. Data is power and that's all he wants. Facebook has hit a hard cap as far as market share goes. There's no more data to collect and no more people to connect. So many people use Facebook that there are literally no more people who can actually use the platform. The only way to go from here is down and he's desperately trying to find the next big thing that'll involve as much of humanity as possible so he can collect as much data as possible. He tried the metaverse route and failed. The reason why his metaverse was dead on arrival is because there's nothing a metaverse can offer you that can't be done better and easier in the real world, such as work and make money, sleep, eat, socialize and chat, watch movies and play games, etc. No one want the hassle of putting on a $1500 headset and log in, walk to a virtual office with a virtual conference room just to have a conference call when we already have things like phones and video call software like Zoom. That's why he's involving the real world by betting on AR.
Bruh, you are on this social media right now accessing this information. You're delusional too if you think there's not massive advantages to social media and then of course, disadvantages too.
I'm most impressed with the new features coming from Meta’s ZuccBot v2024. He’s all rizzed out and his mannerisms are almost identical to a human now. Very convincing.
You could say the same about phone calls, letters even carrier pigeon. It’s just another form of communication at the end of the day and that’s a good thing. I had to spend Christmas alone during Covid, being able to feel like I was sitting with my family would have been so much better
That's the right question. Zuckerberg lets you think this is about the end consumers, but Facebook Graph, Insights etc. make clear that you are not the customer, you are the product. He won't resist the temptation to collect as much as possible with AR/VR.
You'are 100 % right. I'm pretty sure that his kids (his spouse and himself by the way) don't use the technologies he promotes, like the Meta Quest 3/3S fro example. "Do as I say not as I do"
I have heard and talked to a few CEOs and politicians it is amazing how much the people don't allow them to say their honest opinion. They are real people under the microscope it's hard.
Yeah can't imagine why that would be. It's not as if every public move FB and Mark do go through a team of marketing and PR personnel. Since she introduced him to the name of the show in the first few seconds I'm guessing he just ran into her on his way to Bill's or something and said, "Sure fellow human, I'll sit down to do an interview. Oh look, I happen to have these amazing glasses with me that we are working on. Perhaps this would be interesting to the people of earth?"
I bet he would never use this in his personal life. His idea of simple living is totally opposite to what he offers to this world. I know its good to have new technology but is sticking to a screen or wear a glass actually will override what human interaction does. And with all the stress we are facing because of constant screen time we have ,this type of product really adds up to it. So even though its his company product but he would rather go surfing in real time rather then sticking on the virtual reality and experiencing the fake surfing.
Social media should be called anti social media. Calling anything that makes people use technology more than having real life interactions can never be social.
@@immersokinawa4666 Honestly, social media before Facebook was such a big step forward. You know, ICQ, IRC, vBulletin. Never before could we talk to some stranger from the other end of the world - in a relatively safe (because anonymous), fast and cheap way. And then someone found out that you can earn a crapload of money by connecting private information with products. Social Media could be something entirely different, something good, but it isn't.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 Valid response. They seem to try and just focus on meta while also going with Apple and Google. I must wonder what goes on in their head when agreeing to the terms themselves and then complaining about it after. while also agreeing to the same terms with different services. How dare samsung take my data....I'll just go give it to Microsoft instead. 😂
1- As a future engineer I love these kind of futuristic stories, almost sci-fi like, happening on our current time. 2- Is it just me or spongebob already owned one of these without the high tech bit.
Zuck is obviously biased when he thinks people interacting online isn’t replacing in person interaction. All you need to do is look at a group of teenage girls today vs 20 years ago. Today they hang out around a couch while texting or posting on their phones without saying a word to each other. When I was a teen my friends and I were outside doing awesome things all the time. I have so many epic memories from those days that would all be gone if that’s all I did. The other thing to consider is online interaction vs real life. When I look at any given friends social posts, all I see is positive life updates. When I run into them in real life, they’re open to be so much more open and tell me all about their struggles. The struggles are things we bond together over and if I’m in person with them, my ability to actually help them is 10x. We loose so much of this when communicating through a superficial string of posts.
Exactly. People have to remember that Mark is the CEO of a tech company that is interested in increasing shareholder profits. He is going to answer negative questions in a biased manner to protect this. Not ever company has a positive mission and positive impact on society.
I believe his argument was about is this human nature, is this social problem or really the tech itself. Cause okay 20 years ago we had more friends, BUT 100 or more years ago we had the whole village as like friends and people we helped and cared about. The reason why science still to this day could not prove that the tech is the problem, because we did not had internet, phones and people already started to have less friends. I have another interesting fact for you to consider. Even divorce started to rise way before the internet and social media... People argue the reason is women got more freedom and rights to actually choose who they marry, but if that's the case we should already see improvements and it's not really getting better as far as I know. Hell in some places it's worse. So the whole topic is just very very complex. I would argue there is multiple reason why people don't connect as much, not just one specific field like it's the fault of the social media, tech and internet.
Their parents allow the kids to do that. The kids choose to do that. It's their fault, not technology's. The same people who do this are the ones who want to blame technology. Take responsibility, blame yourself.
Imagine a future where a tech company knows every personalized detail about you in order to provide you with an ai that can save you from having to deal with making mistakes or the monotony of everyday life that normally would keep you humble and respectful of other people's flaws and shortcomings. Wow!!
Wow. I am very impressed. This version of Zuckerberg sounds more human than ever! They've made some real improvements. All joking aside. Mark seems more relaxed and in a more comfortable space for him than he ever has seemed before.
Loved her channel, but this is not the right person to talk to about innovation to be honest. He is not fixing anything, he is creating more problems for society.
interview should have involved questions surrounding social justice, privacy rights, mental health, political agendas, things that truly matter to every day people and that meta has a deep and hidden influence on. don't give this man a platform.
So glad Cleo is making time for smaller RUclipsrs and giving them a platform to speak , you go girl ♥️
Ha!
""Smaller""
👏👏
who is the smaller youtuber that you are talking about? Wtf?
As far as I can tell, Zuck doesn't even have a RUclips channel yet. What a kickstart!
It took many years, but Mark Zuckerberg 4.0 has finally achieved sentience.
This is the most human looking Mark I think they have come out with so far.
*ruins it by blinking vertically*
😂
Oh Yeah! this interview changed my view of him significantly.
Him breaking his leg was actually a cover up for rolling out Zucc 4.0 update
@@BubbllooZAnimation MZ Ultra.
"I miss hugging my Mom"
"yeah haptics are hard"
heartfelt feedback bro.
😂
Haptics were hard. they are no longer hard. Creating various vibrations on queue is easy. Determining WHEN to do so is HARD. Thats AI; AI solves that problem. Haptics are about to become easy... in relation
This man is close to making Edith
@@Cotton4615 you're limiting the definition of haptics to vibration only Because its hard to do otherwise, aka haptics only exist in the sense of vibration because otherwise its too hard to. for example: a haptic feedback of an actual hug. and That was the point.
@@Cotton4615my man, that’s not the point.
The point is that even with advancements in technology that it doesn’t matter. She misses her mom, the physical connection. And it extends to longing for those connections with people in general.
So, yeah, I bet AI can do good someday at making haptics… fuckin, work I guess? But who cares when we all feel so empty and alone.
Society would be much happier if we all actually interacted with each other with kindness in a place called reality
LOL
Couldn't agree more. Zuckerberg missed the point. In his position, he naturally has no other choice but to word salad his way around the question. Our problem is that we shove display over display into our faces every single day. Social media is more entertainment than social with Reels, Shorts and all that. It is not social anymore. I'm currently 22. As Cleo mentioned, in my age group social connections have dropped by 70%. However, we won't be able to get back to the social environment we used to have prior to phones and social media. I don't know this future is pretty cool but also an internal threat to our most valuable asset - being human.
true but LOL hahahaHAHAHAHHAHAH
@@torgeb6238we can Go backt, just live in the woods
hahaha augmented reality he said
1st podcast episode being Mark Zuckerberg?!! Damn Cleo!
She wanted to start low.
@@eQui253 nah bro
@@eQui253 pshh
Not a Podcast... This is a video...
Wake me when she gets to George Soros.
Huge.
*if true
@@sevaluoth this guy hates democracy... not "Huge"...
True
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*If glasses*
Man his hair is a vast improvement. He looks less like a lizard and more like a human. Very convincing!
no he short hair and a beard
He saw the fboy AI meme of himself and took note
Definitely a robot, aka, zuckerbot
Is it an improvement? I was thinking he looks more like Richard Simmons now.
@@ValouroverFear machine learning stuff
What i see happening today is that people are more and more living in virtual realities and ignoring their REAL LIFE needs.
More and more people who are depressed,anxious,sick,poor etc, because they are addicted to virtual worlds.
We dont need "better" virtual worlds.
We need to make the REAL WORLD BETTER.
The fact you know about those people does't cancel the fact they were not present in each epoch and time before. They were always present,, you just didnt knew they were present.
We’re also all more individualistic. Before people used to watch the same channels on cable tv and talk about it at school in the morning. Now we all have our own feeds and are doing our own creative things, which is ok but I feel there needs to be some sorta same thing that will give everyone a sense of community.
Chloe: I miss hugging my Mom
Mark: Haptics is hard
Way to human, Mark. Your Empathy Chip is functioning up to 78.9%.
AI is improving... we are getting there...
😂
Yikes😅 that was polite and brutal 😂
Best joke man shitttttttt😂
Hmm... maybe your sarcasm detection software needs upgrading?
I thought it was a witty one-liner playing on his robot image.
Cleo! I'd love to see a short 5/10m segment at the end where you break down your general thoughts on the interview! After speaking to people, I'd be really interested to know more about your thoughts/feelings and personal takeaways!
To everyone in this chat, Jesus is calling you today. Come to him, repent from your sins, bear his cross and live the victorious life
@@JesusPlsSaveMe is he calling me on phone or with Zoom?
@@JesusPlsSaveMewhoops, just disconnected his call
If I had to guess, there's a full length coming video breaking down the demo and what Cleo thinks about the new glasses and tech.
same here
He said he dont know why people have less friend and social media is not to blame, and than he said most people on social media dont interact with friends but with influencers. You dont need calculus for that. 😂
And it's because his Al Gore Rhythms push other content at the expense of connecting with friends. They don't give you easy tools to track and stay connected to friends. It is about making money first.
The wolf doesn't tell the sheep it's going to eat it.
He keeps people glued to their phones and he is fully aware of that. This is just a PR spin so even more people buy his products. Endless hell.
Spot on, his bias on the subject is obvious
@@thejuanderful bingo
Seems like the neurons aren't exactly connecting. Probably why he thought going all in on that stupid metaverse was a good idea.
I’ve been following Cleo’s career since Vox. I’m so thoroughly impressed by her focus, vision, & dedication. She’s done such a great job! This first interview with Zuck is truly HUGE! Thank you, @CleoAbram 🙏🏾
She deserved it and did an amazing job. She is going to be huge.
Who wouldn't want to be interviewed by her. Show your work and finally have someone push you on the difficult problems you're fighting through.
😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Honestly: I BADLY want a great pair of AR glasses, but I DO NOT want that product to be owned and controlled by Facebook. Meta/Facebook have proven over and over again that given the choice between their users and profit, they WILL choose profit. There is no ethical compass for this company. It's not the tech that should scare you. It's the people who own it.
Exactly! Need to have more open-source glasses that can be actually private.
Its ok cuz when these become mainstream there will be more models by other companies
The last two lines are absolutely on point. If more people understand that tech is not the issue, the people who own it is, there would be les fear amongst people and actual optimistic progress.
Meta subsidized VR when no one else wanted to do it but China. meaning Facebook is losing money constantly so the devices they sell will be cheap. They aren't being like Microsoft who I love but they are greedy most time except for Gamepass. Apple don't care at all lmao they want every dollar, except for AppleTV that's cheap. But Facebook has lost sooooo much money making stuff cheap or free (open-source).
@@rivulet1013 Exactly!! Especially with people who are scared of AI or AGI. AGI would only bring good (of course certain jobs will be lost short term, but long term it'd be good), UNLESS some company like meta or OpenAI are the ones who get on it first and program it to be biased and not strive to be grounded in reality.
I love how subtly Cleo questioned the whole existence and impact of social media in our lives and it was really fun to hear Mark's reply.
He looks like deep down he knows she's right be it conflicts with selling this product that he's HEAVILY invested in. You can almost hear his brain cogs grinding.
@@willlycos5781 YES
"I miss hugging my mom" Mark: "ya haptics is hard" bro is not beating the robot allegations
😂
He is acoustic
I personally don't get the jokes lol. North Americans make weird memes.
I'm glad people like Cleo make up for the rest of you.
Cute jokes or whatever but he's doing something revolutionary for the world. Mark was making a joke and it was funny. You want to hug your mother? Buy a flight and visit her. This isn't the product for that but Mark is operating on a divine level in regards to his productivity. This technology isn't detrimental, it's a solution to an advancing world.
I'm impressed by how you were able to ask him some tough questions while being professional and not feeling invasive. Well done!
She's going to explode on these interviews. A normal person's Lex Friedman.
Amazing work pushing topics. Those topics are important and not just canned questions looming for a zinger.
The positive mindset has become a superpower in her interview skills.
cleo asked a DIFFICULT question , mark did not own it. social media is absolutely to “blame” for diminished levels of human contact , I WISHED that The Zuc could own that as the unwanted byproduct and then MEANINGFULLY opine on how they can be part of REVERSING that trend, we replant forests, why can’t we plan to replant relationships ?
hahaha... no, there's no way in hell id ever trust him again.
Shut Down your phone and go hug a tree…
@@DanielHertz You really think you did something there, don't you? 😅
Facebook is responsible for the most fun social period I had in my life. It's kind of ruined now. But when you could organize events reliably I was part of groups that did just that all the time. And it reconnected me with an army of people from my past that I otherwise never would have spoken to - or even thought of - again. Many of them are better friends now. Frankly he doesn't get enough credit and a lot of the blame is just people projecting their own social anxiety into him.
Right? I agree with you fully.@@cory849
Seeing Zuckerberg’s reaction when asked why we all have fewer friends now is priceless. Guilt and shame.
Time code would be great ;)
It's truly fascinating watching him try to rationalize all of these ideas as being better for human interaction, when all he is doing is building a conduit for companies to monopolize our attention. It's astounding and nauseating at the same time. The future Mark wants isn't for the betterment of the human race.
00:22
But it is better for Corporations, and a Government, that want to manipulate entire populations.
Remember, “I don’t have to control what you think, I only need to control what you pay attention to.”
- Eugene Schwartz
@@ct9700 Social media is not good for humans but I'm stoked as hell for AR
I am so impressed with the obvious and deep preparation that you did for this interview. I have watched so many lost opportunities in interviews because of interviewers trusting that they can wing it. Amazing and I think that your channel should be included in a school’s STEAM curriculum. We are going to put it into ours
Yes!!❤🎉
I would not be surprised if Zuckerberg also insisted on this interview to be well prepared. He is not like Musk, who publishes every intrusive thought he has and then doubles down on it like a moron.
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@@invinciblemodeSTEAM is correct. Make sure you're right before attempting to correct someone.
@@joshuamcshane7566 I am right. Stop trying to make STEAM a thing. A doesn’t belong in STEM, you’re fooling kids into taking A degrees when they’re nowhere near as valuable as STEM degrees.
Nothing replaces human connection.
Let's hit the pause button for while.
All the best
To all of you in the comments criticizing Cleo's choice to interview Mark Zuckerberg, bringing up all the bad things he has done, etc., please go watch her video explaining the purpose of this new series: ruclips.net/video/JbKzSDfDdns/видео.html
It will only take two minutes out of your day. In it she explains that she will be interviewing many leaders who are essentially building the future, whether she agrees with them or not, in order to give us a better idea of their perspectives of the future so that we can understand where the world is going.
Because people like Mark, like it or not, are shaping our future, and there is nothing we can do to help it. What we can do is to try to understand what people like him want in this future so that we can find a way that we fit into the grand scheme of things.
That is what Cleo is trying to help us do, and what she has always tried to encourage on this channel - to understand the world around us and what the future may hold.
Thanks. I was looking for a comment like this mostly because I was unsure if I could continue to trust this channel
EXACTLY!!! "I want to really engage with what they're imagining so that you can see it clearly, and you can decide whether that's a future that you want to help work toward."
Like it or not, he is one of the biggest people in tech, and so it's important to really understand what he wants to create. In this case, it's a device that is constantly "seeing what you see and hears what you hear." then uses "personalized AI" that can understand your actions and model your behaviour.
“People like Mark, like it or not, are the people who will shape the future, and there’s nothing we can do to stop it.”
That’s not true. There are things that we could do to try to stop that. Cleo is simply choosing not to. I followed this channel for optimism, not uncritical compliance.
Ultimately I probably agree with you; People should have the opportunity to present the best articulated version of the future they want to build, even if we fundamentally disagree with the way they're doing it... but I'm also worried about giving them the opportunity to whitewash their methods and the let them control the narrative. I'm a big fan of Cleo's work so far, but something about the way she emphasized optimism in her announcement video made me slightly nervous. Optimism without realism can be a bad combination.
I hope she keeps letting people share their best version of their ideas regardless of whether I agree with them, but I do want to see the challenging questions play a part... otherwise this becomes a PR channel.
From the *bottom of my heart*, if optimism is a virtue, i urge Cleo to endorse positive changes rather than the harmful status quo.
Interesting to hear how he rationalizes social media's enormous impact on human interactions/relationships by stating that it doesn't take away from the ability or desire to meet up in person. It's completely out of touch with the reality, but that must be how he sleeps at night. People are addicted to social media and it has had a devastating effect on human society.
I'm grateful that I grew up in a time when we all weren't plugged into the internet and social media 24/7. I learned how important relationships, friendships, and doing things in person are.
I'm on Facebook but I spend maybe 20 minutes or so in an evening just to check a few things out but I don't sit around all day with this. I like to go out get fresh air go to the gym do some walking running and also I do like to watch RUclips videos that are educational.
You see the problem is that nobody wants to take any damn responsibility for themselves that the habits they develop. If this is too addicting well then maybe we might actually need a a system where people can go and get specifically tailored mental health services with regard to social media addiction.
@@christopheraaron2412I think you nailed it on the head! People blame their tools for their own lack of control and even motivation to go do something else!
Do you have distant friends? I have friends and relatives partially more than 10,000 km away. Having technologies in addition to physical meetings is a blessing (also saves tons of CO2, but some folks still don't care).
This feels more like you needed a blanket, and he knew it had smallpox on it@@JAMisiuk
@@JAMisiuk tell that to the drug addicts from the doctors prescribed drugs.
While your at it also tell that to all the children that where put i front of TVs, tablets, phones by their parents.
That's seriously the best interview with Zuck I've ever seen. Keeping him giving substantive answers without getting into the weeds all the way through. Bravo.
Comparisons could be made with an Elon interview. Mark never makes you forget the people around him Elon not so much.
Looking forward to the Elon interview after the election when things calm down.
She could push him to get to deep areas of his work.
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One of the best interviewers I've seen. Well spoken, genuinely curious, ilusion, great well thought and very asertive questions... 10/10 Cloe. You are the impersonation of what makes a woman being respected
Still mark making hans dumb 😂
Rare case of Mark Zuckerberg succeeding in trying to look and be human:
Sweet baby ray’s
Still far from it if you ask me.
Since his software update, hes been more and more human
no he tried hard but still failed. The way he says "ten years of work right there"
They’ve definitely updated him. And the messy hair is a touch of humanity. Very convincing.
Cleo, please never release a wallpaper app
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Lmao
LMAO Marques catching strays😂
Ouch!
he was fighting the urge to blink sideways
*Pulls out the noisy cricket*
With the glasses he won't need to
ROFL
@@rarephoenix?
@@lenoregodding5897 rolling on the floor laughing. Its like a far less common "lol" or "lmao"
Glad someone finally told him his Star Trek ‘Data’ haircut looked crazy. The ginger curls are far more humanizing. Really interesting information. Cool interview. Finally looking forward to the future.
imagine a future where social media algorithims don't generate insecurities, discrimination and hate to drive engagement or where our data isn't sold internationally without our consent...his future is all about HIM
Hard to not give the people what they want
Then the future will be stagnated and dull
Interviewing the most dystopian business leader on the planet is a weird choice for an "optimistic science" channel.
@@coldram1111what are you yapping about? Social media today does nothing but make us more divided
@@jerrytheant oh you mean to say that there was no discrimination and hatred and racism and all sorts of things that divide societies BEFORE THE SOCIAL MEDIA …….the fact is humans get what they ask for….so don’t blame social media….it is just a tool….remember a tool can be a weapon also
"There's something that I think is really deep about being physically present with a real person, that you don't get from any other technology today". Yeah, so the solution isn't more technology, it's having our existing technology not be purposefully addictive so that people have healthy screen time. Things like these glasses will just make it so that EVEN WHEN you're with someone in person, you can be distracted by other things going on in your glasses.
Cannot agree more with. We are heading to our own small pods of Space, prison if you will. Pretty much like Matrix
That issue is another thing
Why don't you stop calling people and go talk to them everytime you want to call someone 😂😂.
Ofcos it's different but most of the time it's impossible to do that.
You can't be everywhere everytime. That's what they are trying to solve. Make you feel like you are there when it's practically impossible to be there 😅😅.
Nobody said we will be using it to talk to our spouses and children in the same house 😂😂.
[waits for nude mod]
She answered this comment on the video w a different question - it’s not because someone can use it for laziness it means it shouldn’t be created” it’s like saying we shouldn’t make medicine bc it produce pollution
Oh god, an AI, owned by Meta that sees everything that I see and hears everything that I hear. That sounds like a privacy invasion nightmare
Wait till you hear what smartphones do
I’d agree with this, but strangely Meta is leading the way with local LLMs. I can run Llama on my 2020 MacBook Air, no internet connection.
How is possible I just found your channel! Great content Cleo!
I'm a parent with pre teenagers and taking advise from Mark about parenting is the worst thing any parent could do. We are so much struggling with their screentime and getting them to play with friends without a screen.
It is clear that these phones are the reason for people having less friends when you grow up with a phone in your hand. If it is up to Mark, our children will grow up with glasses that make everything digital is going to make things worse. And you can think:" I will never buy this for my children" and "it's all the parents fault", but when all the other kids have this tech and find each other online, your kid is the one left behind.
Cool these glasses, but socially, things are only to get worse.
I couldn't disagree with this sentiment more. I don't love Mark Zuckerberg, but its undeniable the ways in which technology can improve people's lives.
Did he point a gun at you saying "GIVE YOUR KID THIS IPAD NOW" or something? Or did your kids like, buy the screens you're talking about themselves?
How about you take some responsibility as a parent? It's not Zuckemberg raising up your kids, is he?
@@LogsMaggotPeer Pressure is a strong force especially for young people. It's how fashion, technology trends and language for example change. Do you have kids? Because the original comment is 100% realistic and the problem WILL exist soon. Sure you can isolate your child technologically but do you want that?
@@Keepcalm-lovesports why do something to your kid that you know is not good for him? If you and you kid bend under the peer pressure as a parent that’s on you
@@LogsMaggot individual accountability is important, but you've overlooking the fact people with unlimited resources have studied the human mind, ways to essentially get you addicted to applications like it's literally a drug. they're often hooking into the same pathways as drugs...
A man who allegedly harvested credentials & hacked emails in the early days and runs one of the most abusive and fined companies in the world, from a privacy perspective? Not that optimistic.
He isn't a scientist or interesting thinker either. Just one of those mega rich tech dudes who became rich by stealing your data and selling it to advertisers.
@@Har9000He didn't steal anything, people willingly gave it to him.
@@EPiXNiCROSYou read that on a fb post?
All I need in my life are augmented reality glasses tracking and recording everything I look at and spamming me with targeted ads.
@@anonimushbosh I don't use Facebook
Quitting Facebook was one of the best decisions I've ever made
RUclips shall be your next step
@@LocalhostGroup-lq8lu ok kid lol
How's that relevant here
@@Stellar_lnsights they were talking about social media at one point, you dope
@@litojonny youtube is also social media app
'' Seeing and hearing are the sens that we use for kind of taking information and context about the world '' at 13:00 ,
That statement gave me chills. Basically, what you see and hear , is valuable assets for marketing companies to gather to help them create products that are more and more addictive. Let’s hope that what you see and hear isn’t saved for future marketing. If it is, it could pull us even further away from real life. Our senses of touch, smell, and taste are really the only ones that keeps us connected to what’s real...
100% agree
Cleo I am really not sure this is supposed to make me Optimistic.
Huh, it actually made me optimistic. I like the idea where the next major computing interface is not a screen everyone looks down on and disapears into, but something that allows you to stay in touch with the world and interact with it continously.
I felt the exact same. Meta is not an organization striving to better humanity and this interview reaffirmed my belief
@@noone-ld7ptcan’t wait for someone to have their glasses play subway surfers underneath me attempting to connect with them
@@noone-ld7pt The thing you miss is the fact that this will allow people to pretent AI bots are real people :(
closer and closer to that black mirror episode
I'm honestly really impressed that this 'extra' content has been made free to view on the same channel as the original content. So many of my favourite content creators make additional content, but they often put it on sites like Patreon or make it exclusive to channel members where you have to pay in order to see that additional content.
True, but sometimes other creators aren't as financially stable as others and are trying to break even or earn a bit more. Absolutely love that this isn't behind a paywall though!
Maybe Zuckerberg is paying for this to be positive publicity?
0:14 the haptics is hard💀 words to remember
cause they are
@@Kr4zyCrew sure, but that was a very robot answer to "i miss hugging my mom" like it was just about touch sensation in general with no emotional quality to it.
@@Kr4zyCrew u tried it?
Disgusting that he likened a human hug to haptics. He should have said that is unreplaceable
@@mydogisbailey you are misunderstanding what he is saying my guy
Meta making glasses you put on your face is the scariest thing right after Microsoft, Amazon, Google or Apple doing it. One gigantic way to advertise and data mine. Brilliant
This takes the "nerds wear glasses" stereotype to a whole new level, and I'm here for it
I wear them because I need them to see. If Zuck want to upgrade my entire visual situation with kick ass summonable HUD elements, which I can control with my thoughts, I'm down!
Not the flex you think it is. Vision is affected because of improper vision habits, such as reading too much and staring at a blackboard in class for too long without breaks
Introduction to Meta's Vision(00:00-01:53)
Augmented Reality Glasses: The Next Platform(01:53-04:48)
Why Build AR Glasses?(04:48-07:22)
Different Paths for AR & Mixed Reality(07:22-11:07)
Presence & Personalized AI(11:07-13:20)
Social Connection & Haptics(13:20-16:55)
The Struggle for Social Connection(16:55-22:25)
AI’s Impact on Social Media & Content Creation(22:25-35:12)
Concerns About the Pace of Change(35:12-38:17)
Open Source & Safety in AI(38:17-43:39)
Scaling AI & Future Challenges(43:39-46:47)
Conclusion and Final Thoughts(46:47-End)
Chapter 1: Introduction to Meta's Vision (00:00 - 01:53)
- Mark Zuckerberg's team at Meta is developing technology that could shape the future of billions.
- Main focus: understanding the **future Zuckerberg is trying to build**.
- Meta's work on **AR glasses**, compared to **Tony Stark**'s fictional technology.
Chapter 2: Augmented Reality Glasses: The Next Platform (01:53 - 04:48)
- Meta’s **AR glasses** are the **culmination of 10 years of R&D**.
- Features: **full holographic augmented reality**, wide **field of view**, **miniaturized computing** in glasses, allowing for **holographic interactions**.
- **Applications**: virtual meetings, games, collaborative work, and **redefining social interaction**.
Chapter 3: Why Build AR Glasses? (04:48 - 07:22)
- Zuckerberg believes **AR glasses** will be the next major platform after smartphones, offering **natural and social interactions** with the world.
- Challenges in **display technology**: **waveguide systems**, **eye-tracking**, and **miniaturized components**.
Chapter 4: Different Paths for AR & Mixed Reality (07:22 - 11:07)
- Meta is pursuing **multiple AR product lines**:
- **Display-less** glasses (e.g., Ray-Ban Meta)
- **Heads-up displays** (mid-range field of view)
- **Full holographic AR glasses** (premium product)
- **Mixed reality headsets** like **Quest 3** will remain relevant for high-performance tasks.
Chapter 5: Presence & Personalized AI (11:07 - 13:20)
- Two major values driving Meta’s vision:
1. **Presence**: Feeling truly **present in a virtual space** with others.
2. **Personalized AI**: AI with **contextual awareness** through **glasses**, understanding and assisting users in their daily lives.
Chapter 6: Social Connection & Haptics (13:20 - 16:55)
- Tech can simulate **presence**, but **haptics** (e.g., **physical touch**) is still challenging to replicate, especially in social interactions.
- **Eye contact** and **hand feedback** are easier to develop; **full body sensations** and **force feedback** are much harder.
Chapter 7: The Struggle for Social Connection (16:55 - 22:25)
- **Decline in social connections**: The average American has **fewer friends** now, and **socializing in person** has dropped by **30-70%**.
- AR can help fill the gap by **enabling more digital connections** without replacing physical interactions.
Chapter 8: AI’s Impact on Social Media & Content Creation (22:25 - 35:12)
- **Generative AI** will change social media, with more **automated content creation**.
- AI will enhance **content personalization**, enabling creators to generate content more easily and efficiently.
- AI creators could emerge, offering **AI versions of influencers** for community interaction.
Chapter 9: Concerns About the Pace of Change (35:12 - 38:17)
- Rapid changes in **AI and AR technology** can cause anxiety, especially for creators competing in a dynamic environment.
- Zuckerberg advises people to stay **curious** and embrace **new technologies** to remain competitive.
Chapter 10: Open Source & Safety in AI (38:17 - 43:39)
- **Open source AI** allows for **greater innovation and security** through public scrutiny.
- Contrary to fears, **open-source models** tend to be **safer** than closed systems due to broader oversight.
Chapter 11: Scaling AI & Future Challenges (43:39 - 46:47)
- **Scalability of AI models** is a big question: Meta bets on **scaling AI infrastructure**.
- There's uncertainty on whether AI models like **Llama** will continue to scale or hit a limit.
Chapter 12: Conclusion and Final Thoughts (46:47 - End)
- Zuckerberg discusses potential futures for **AI and hardware**.
- Open questions remain about how far **AI can scale** and what the next **20 years of innovation** will look like.
- Closing thoughts on **the importance of curiosity** and **embracing change** to succeed in a dynamic future.
@@G1364-g5u Thank you AI. Please remember I was kind to you when you take us as slaves.
wished this interview addressed the harms of social media more. Personal data being sold, perpetuation of hatred, the cancerous and toxic environments that fester in corners
And the ways it damages children and teens during crucial growth milestones
I understand where youre coming from. Its a Totally valid question but you need to realise that cleo focuses on tomorrow’s tech, what you’re asking is social aspect of existing tech
Parental control the kids phones!
I think, this needed to treat his vision and for that to unroll, there needed to be as less friction as possible between her and Zuck. Otherwise he would just have spat corporate stuff that we know he’s gonna say. You have to listen to him to understand what the future is gonna be and how we can prevent it to happen.
can't believe you got Mark Zuckerberg in here, that's great!
Epic. The man who knowingly allowed facebook to fuel a genocide in Myanmar
Facebook does great work in the realms of election interference and tyranny.
Dude he don't work at fb anymore
I sit here, listening to all this amazing tech, and my mind keeps asking the same question- why? And then , cynically, the answer arises in my mind - ads.
I already have a quest 3. I already wear glasses to see. My answer is, optimistically, "Why not combine them!"
This is so painfully dystopian. Our lives and brains are already so dominated by constant stimulation and algorithms. Looking at the whole world thru Zuck-colored glasses sounds awful.
good thing that you dont have to
Fair, but what do you think about its ability to increase productivity/improve safety?
@@thecoolguy3498 most research shows that less distractions is better than more regarding to productivity. There are probably niche cases where it might be helpful.
@@Exokris True, but I'll have to talk to people acting like they're paying attention, but actually they're watching RUclips.
How smartphones are currently designed is already peak dystopian with short form content that functions like a doom scrolling slot machine.
With AR glasses like these you could actually have real-time translation when you travel other countries etc.
Now VR might be another thing, but I would argue that VR brings a lot more creativity and because it's so immersive and interactive, people would be doing more stuff like creating cool VR worlds rather than watching mind numbing content, hopefully.
The haptics is hard line was crazy lmao. Awesome episode, I'm hyped for more!
Interesting interview, but I'm hearing a lot of corpo speak. The whole excuse of: "Oh well people were feeling lonely before technology was around." doesn't hold up to me and sounds like typical deflection.
@@kevintheminion1497 Thank you for this reply! It's interesting
Big oil: climate change predates our products.
Big tabacco: cancer predates our products.
Big pharm: addiction predates our products.
Big social: loneliness predates our products.
It's the same playbook. Deny. Question. Delay.
Social media is loneliness on steroids though. Young who are learning life inside their screens are extremely disconnected from the real world around them, and when confronted with the real world they have no clue about real life social protocols. I see it every day when I go to town. This is especially hard to watch when parents of these young have grown up or live similarly.
I find myself internally retreating more into my small community where the young here are out riding horses along the beach and actually hunting and processing their own meat, tending gardens, diving and fishing. Occasionally though I hear some child or other with a weird accent learnt from head buried in the internet who have come out of the cities to vist relations and this does show hope that a few young souls can be saved from brain rot.@kevintheminion1497
It was the only lawyer-approved answer
You have to understand, these people aren’t doing this to “solve a problem” or to “make the world a better place.” Mark probably wouldn’t even understand the question: “why are you doing all this?” His primary function is to grow and succeed no matter what that means.
Irony died when Mark said "it's really sad" when he enabled the loneliness.
13:18 "Haptic is Hard" This is the most Zuckerberg thing Zuckerberg has ever said 😂
Yes, and I get that it probably was a bit of a joke. But then he goes on to describe why it is so hard and it all becomes to real.
Why not start off by saying that a connection like that is irreplaceable and then talk about something that could get you as close as possible.
Thanks for the timestamp.. Finally found one
considering how often i lose/break/scratch my glasses - this is definitely the number 1 platform for the digital future
This is how you do an interview/podcast. Smart questions, careful listening, no unnecessary interruptions. Subscribed!
You should ask him if he let's his kids use social media?
He does skirt around that topic nicely
Almost like not everything is meant for kids. Why would anyone let their child on social media, knowing the things they might see? It's not Mark's fault people post things that are inappropriate. We over-sexualise, hyper-analyse,(both ourselves and others), make any kind of attention seeking behaviour profitable, (whether that be positive or negative), among a bunch of other net negative behaviours.
There's no point in asking a stupid question such as "do you let your kids use social media" just because you created a social platform that happens to have a certain reputation. You wouldn't ask a strip club owner if his kid visits his club. You folks are completely disconnected from reality and refuse to use critical thinking skills, and are just looking for an "aha! Got you!" moment, to make you feel better and good about yourself, which, as they say, ignorance is bliss.
His kids plays only with children toys. While many kids are addicted to meta apps before talking
@@PartyhatRSthey aren’t talking about the content being inappropriate, like you were saying. They are more implying the addictive nature of social media isn’t for kids… or should be fairly disincentivised for adults also.
@PartyhatRS I agree, but yourn analogy of strip club miss the point. I'd rather compare to some sort of public infrastructure (as a bridge or a acoustic shell) or public model (as a car or an microphone) that was meant for some use, but you can really avoid that people misuse it. The very concept of misuse are blurry sometimes.
Naming statistics on how lonely people are in these last two decades and naming technology as a solution with zuc across the table is wiiiiiiild. On this chanel I liked the rockets, particle colliders, and especially the f1 car, and I like to learn about all that big brain stuff as an outsider, but i dont think you need a PHD to see the irony here 😂😂😂
@@ScentlessSun No.
35:48 I’m so glad she was honest
i just got to the 20min mark and i think Cleo absolutely stumped Mark there 😳
Cleo in the nicest way possible asking "aren't all of these artificial social networks the culprit to why people are making less in person connections?" Mark's answer was pretty bad, "don't worry AI and AR will 'subsidize' human interaction."
@@Bluur yep i think he struggled the most on that one. especially when he said something like "enchancing digital connection isnt bad since most people already dont have much real life connection anyways" 💀💀
I have never seen him seem so genuinely uncomfortable. Cleo was so thoughtful and careful with calibrating the question that Mark was unable to brush it off.
@@RuairiODonnellFOTO I'm glad we got this one :)
The fundamental problem here is that it isn't removing the distraction and disconnection of always looking at your phone, it's making the phone the lens through which you see LITERALLY everything. The fact that this will change who we are is, I suspect, inevitable. But like everything else in this space, the development is given priority over the impact.
For someone like me who uses glasses all my life, that Holographic augmented reality glasses will be such a life saver
Sure would be nice if his platforms didn't divide and amplify hate for just for clicks.
The guy who ruined the social fabric of the world and made everyone lonely wants to solve loneliness? He's delusional.
Don't forget, the ruining of the social fabric was his first step at solving loneliness... And he doesn't see any negative impacts of that first step.
I think you'd be surprised that a lot of the awfulness caused by social media was just done algorithmically. It makes complete sense that Zuckerberg wants to solve loneliness. Lots of people at Google, including the leadership want to solve the issues they've caused as well, it's just insanely hard. They opened up a Pandora's box and destroying it is...well it is an option but I don't blame an Individual to not want to destroy their creation.
He wants data. He doesn't care about people. Data is power and that's all he wants. Facebook has hit a hard cap as far as market share goes. There's no more data to collect and no more people to connect. So many people use Facebook that there are literally no more people who can actually use the platform. The only way to go from here is down and he's desperately trying to find the next big thing that'll involve as much of humanity as possible so he can collect as much data as possible.
He tried the metaverse route and failed. The reason why his metaverse was dead on arrival is because there's nothing a metaverse can offer you that can't be done better and easier in the real world, such as work and make money, sleep, eat, socialize and chat, watch movies and play games, etc. No one want the hassle of putting on a $1500 headset and log in, walk to a virtual office with a virtual conference room just to have a conference call when we already have things like phones and video call software like Zoom. That's why he's involving the real world by betting on AR.
He did not do that but people who used social media did. He just gave them what they wanted.
Bruh, you are on this social media right now accessing this information. You're delusional too if you think there's not massive advantages to social media and then of course, disadvantages too.
Congratulations to Mark's image consultant.
I'm most impressed with the new features coming from Meta’s ZuccBot v2024. He’s all rizzed out and his mannerisms are almost identical to a human now. Very convincing.
I think disconnecting humans from personal contact is a really bad idea.😢😢😢
Mark will give the idea for couples: "Long distance natural insemination". It gets FedEx priority delivery in a cup to your significant other.
You could say the same about phone calls, letters even carrier pigeon. It’s just another form of communication at the end of the day and that’s a good thing. I had to spend Christmas alone during Covid, being able to feel like I was sitting with my family would have been so much better
everyone: cool guy
me: hold my private data😮
Every time he mentions how this will help people or what their goal is, I ask myself "what are you actually trying to get from this?"
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Even more data.
That's the right question. Zuckerberg lets you think this is about the end consumers, but Facebook Graph, Insights etc. make clear that you are not the customer, you are the product. He won't resist the temptation to collect as much as possible with AR/VR.
These glasses will expedite the training process for consumer humanoid robots.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 That's a Westworld reference, right?
First fracking, now Zuck. Oh boy this channel has so much to offer.
Ah isn’t it the devil that got rich off of YOUR data.
So what?
How ignorant can you be?
And has now directly helped support at least 2 genocides.
u would do it if u were rich so stfu
@@toddhollen2 genocides can you elaborate on that please?
Social media is vile and toxic and this guy is the biggest perpetrator of this tragedy.
Mark is still being a capitalist and political. He knows the answers, and he doesn't want his real opinion out there
You'are 100 % right. I'm pretty sure that his kids (his spouse and himself by the way) don't use the technologies he promotes, like the Meta Quest 3/3S fro example. "Do as I say not as I do"
I have heard and talked to a few CEOs and politicians it is amazing how much the people don't allow them to say their honest opinion. They are real people under the microscope it's hard.
Cleo in a mental harmony with Mark that finally gives us a view of both their visions and insights. Wow.
I hope this will be as popular as 3-D TV.
And 3D cinema
Damn Cleo has reached peak level awesomeness here. Love or hate the man, he doesnt show up for everyone. Well done!
Yeah can't imagine why that would be. It's not as if every public move FB and Mark do go through a team of marketing and PR personnel.
Since she introduced him to the name of the show in the first few seconds I'm guessing he just ran into her on his way to Bill's or something and said, "Sure fellow human, I'll sit down to do an interview. Oh look, I happen to have these amazing glasses with me that we are working on. Perhaps this would be interesting to the people of earth?"
I bet he would never use this in his personal life. His idea of simple living is totally opposite to what he offers to this world. I know its good to have new technology but is sticking to a screen or wear a glass actually will override what human interaction does. And with all the stress we are facing because of constant screen time we have ,this type of product really adds up to it. So even though its his company product but he would rather go surfing in real time rather then sticking on the virtual reality and experiencing the fake surfing.
Hat's off to your efforts in making video. Interesting videos nice ❤ and keep it up 🎉
Social media should be called anti social media. Calling anything that makes people use technology more than having real life interactions can never be social.
@@immersokinawa4666 Honestly, social media before Facebook was such a big step forward. You know, ICQ, IRC, vBulletin. Never before could we talk to some stranger from the other end of the world - in a relatively safe (because anonymous), fast and cheap way. And then someone found out that you can earn a crapload of money by connecting private information with products.
Social Media could be something entirely different, something good, but it isn't.
Wht we can contact through social megia bro we can socialise through social media what the f is even you talking about 🤷🤦♀️🤦♀️
The unfortunate thing is that everything involved with Meta/Facebook requires giving access to a ridiculous amount of your personal data
Wow, just like Google and Apple and Microsoft and Amazon. 😂
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 no one was talking about any of those smitty. Try focusing 😂
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 Valid response. They seem to try and just focus on meta while also going with Apple and Google. I must wonder what goes on in their head when agreeing to the terms themselves and then complaining about it after. while also agreeing to the same terms with different services.
How dare samsung take my data....I'll just go give it to Microsoft instead. 😂
If a site asks for my birthday i give a fake date.
1- As a future engineer I love these kind of futuristic stories, almost sci-fi like, happening on our current time.
2- Is it just me or spongebob already owned one of these without the high tech bit.
Zuck is obviously biased when he thinks people interacting online isn’t replacing in person interaction. All you need to do is look at a group of teenage girls today vs 20 years ago. Today they hang out around a couch while texting or posting on their phones without saying a word to each other. When I was a teen my friends and I were outside doing awesome things all the time. I have so many epic memories from those days that would all be gone if that’s all I did.
The other thing to consider is online interaction vs real life. When I look at any given friends social posts, all I see is positive life updates. When I run into them in real life, they’re open to be so much more open and tell me all about their struggles. The struggles are things we bond together over and if I’m in person with them, my ability to actually help them is 10x. We loose so much of this when communicating through a superficial string of posts.
Exactly. People have to remember that Mark is the CEO of a tech company that is interested in increasing shareholder profits. He is going to answer negative questions in a biased manner to protect this. Not ever company has a positive mission and positive impact on society.
I believe his argument was about is this human nature, is this social problem or really the tech itself. Cause okay 20 years ago we had more friends, BUT 100 or more years ago we had the whole village as like friends and people we helped and cared about. The reason why science still to this day could not prove that the tech is the problem, because we did not had internet, phones and people already started to have less friends. I have another interesting fact for you to consider. Even divorce started to rise way before the internet and social media... People argue the reason is women got more freedom and rights to actually choose who they marry, but if that's the case we should already see improvements and it's not really getting better as far as I know. Hell in some places it's worse. So the whole topic is just very very complex. I would argue there is multiple reason why people don't connect as much, not just one specific field like it's the fault of the social media, tech and internet.
Their parents allow the kids to do that. The kids choose to do that. It's their fault, not technology's. The same people who do this are the ones who want to blame technology. Take responsibility, blame yourself.
So Mark did graduate from School of PR and Human Studies! Good for him!
OMG , he has a different t-shirt 🤨
Who cares what he’s wearing. Its just stupid PR clothes
Anyone know what brand is his shirt here :D? Im dying to know 😂
@@JackieMB92 "Bode Tournament Embroidered Printed Cotton-Jersey T-Shirt"
@@trag1cznyomg how did you know it was from bode??
@@chanelowelove its also not even the right formula
This was indeed a huge conversation... way to go Cleo
he managed to look very human here somehow
1:37 the robot needs to adjust itself to the new situation
Right you're going the right path, just make jokes on people don't do anything productive in life
@@SachinMishra-7336Your idea of "being productive" is making money.
You are a robot.
"Mark Zuckerberg on episode one? Now that's a statement! Big moves-wishing you huge success ahead!"
Your analogy of the struggle being the point, excellent framing and articulation of a question. Absolutely first class interviewing 👍
We want to see the secret meta tech to transform lizards to humans.
Imagine a future where a tech company knows every personalized detail about you in order to provide you with an ai that can save you from having to deal with making mistakes or the monotony of everyday life that normally would keep you humble and respectful of other people's flaws and shortcomings. Wow!!
He’s clearly unhinged.
The robot is back😂😂 promoting ai as something positive, hilarious interview.
Wow. I am very impressed. This version of Zuckerberg sounds more human than ever! They've made some real improvements.
All joking aside. Mark seems more relaxed and in a more comfortable space for him than he ever has seemed before.
23:01 Loved how he described a solution to a problem he helped create in the first place.
Starting this series with someone "most" people hate is a bold move.
Looking forward to listening to it
Awesome podcast cleo... Thanks a lot for doing this
super excited for this new format but really hoping for guests who are actually doing good
After Cambridge Analytica I will never use another product associated with Mark Zuckerberg in anyway.
Sometimes it’s hard not to when more than half of world population use them.
Loved her channel, but this is not the right person to talk to about innovation to be honest. He is not fixing anything, he is creating more problems for society.
This channel keeps getting better and better
interview should have involved questions surrounding social justice, privacy rights, mental health, political agendas, things that truly matter to every day people and that meta has a deep and hidden influence on. don't give this man a platform.
I haven’t made a comment in years but you read my mind on this. I wish this was the top comment
You can’t talk about all these things and please everyone 😅 even the best gets only 43% vote
then Zuck wouldn't had agree on being interviewed
They only have a certain amount of time.
Mark "I have good intentions so there's no way anything made at Facebook could cause harm and if so I'm not responsible for it" Zuckerberg
Jesus christ he really said that
@@chanelowelove I'm paraphrasing lmao
it's all a stepping stone. the first ones aren't always the ones on top in the end.