What really put this whole "taboo" of the Hololive girls collabing with Holostars, or any male streamer for that matter, into perspective is when Bae had to address her collabing with the Tempus guys like she was talking to a bunch of kids. Like, how bad is it when a streamer has to talk like that over a potential collab? But I also saw what started the Rushia drama, so I guess I can't be all that surprised.
Most fans aren't nuts like that and the majority seemed to defend both Kronii and Rushia in this situation. Rushia got it extra rough because part of her gimmic was offering viewers a girlfriend experience which drew in a lot more crazies to her channel. Kronii doesn't do that so the difference between the number of sane and lunatic fans is bigger in favour of the sane ones. But the crazies are loud and aggressive and I think often attract antis who end up bolstering their numbers in order to mess with the vtubers
@@brucejedilee5290 yeah, I get that. I know most of the EN fans that act wild like that keep to /vt/, but I was watching that stream of Bae’s live and I got like second hand embarrassment from it. Imo none of the members of any branch, guy or girl, should have to do that it’s just sad. The people who do freak out like that need to legitimately go outside lol
This is why I like ID branch, their fanbase don't need to start drama over male and female collab. They also have collabed with them since 2020 without any major controversy. All of these issue of mixed collab feels really petty to begin with especially when shitty "loud minority" started to harass talent. People outside vtuber community and normies keep making fun of Hololive and its fanbase because of this issue
@@krabman2889 ID is more tolerable when they collab with a male its because the ID REALLY LOVES their fans. EN maybe do but to the extend of only not giving other fans some chance to shine (eg Clippers, Animators or Fanartist) and continue to stay that way which is sad. My favourite is Ollie and Reine
Honestly some fans don’t deserve the free content they receive. Or worse, maybe it’s the superchat donors that feel empowered to control what’s on stream
Thank you. You pay for the content they already provide. If you aren't enjoying it, stop paying. Or better yet, stop showing up. You don't get to dictate content.
Unpopular opinion: donating to streamers, vtubers, etc is like throwing your money to a fire pit (from time to time donating is fine but donating a lot of your earnings is too far unless it’s a charity stream or you just have enough money)
I think this is just Idol culture seeping into Vtubing There is a absurd sense of purity in the Idol community , Idols are often sexualised to hell and back Suggestive dances and clothing but they are also supposed to be pure
Im all for collaborations, even if my favorites collab with male or female vtubers. I cant see why people can be upset at this. Its cool to see collaborations.
Streamers are at their best when they're doing something they personally find fun. If a collab with a dude is fun for them, it will good content for us viewers. I mean shit, ever since Tempus debuted, every collab between them and the girls have been absolute bangers.
This is real the based take, it should be up to the talents to decide what they enjoy and do as they please, far too many people seem just as hell driven to force male collabs as the Crazed "unicorns" are to stop them, but it should always be about the streamers enjoyment. If they aren't happy, their fans will notice and become less happy too.
honestly I like it when they do collabs and I don't care who they collab with as long as the content is enjoyable to watch, ofcourse I also like their solo contents as well and for those who are getting salty about this stupid (yes, that's what I call this "drama") thing take a very deep breath and evaluate yourself, THEY are not anyone's property but they're own and whether you like it or not YOU will never dictate what they can and can't do, that's for them to decide and not YOU.
Reminded me of the guy who was a 19 month member who cancelled his membership cause "she lied to her fans" about not collabing with Tempus. Like nobody gives a crap how long he was a member or what he decides to do with his money.
And that alone is why the girls are ignorant about who brought them success. If it weren't for that guy who has his feeling played out it wouldn't be like this. One loss will always be a worst outcome in the future
@@CMPunkXXX To be fair they brought themselves success. And will continue to do so even if you or others decide to be lame and weird about stuff like this.
I feel a majority of the issues may be the people who donate feel entitled to lets just say many things from that creator, people often forget that purpose of donating is to show your support for the person from the goodness of your heart. Idol culture is kinda brutal, and some of us do it ironically, but there will always be those who cross the line.
Wrong. The whole point of idols is to serve as a virtual girlfriend. Thats why idols in japan are not allowed to have boyfriends or be photographed with other men. Its a business model and the fans that pay money are owed what they paid for. Since the whole concept of idols is lost on you, you don't even need Hololive. Just go watch any peabrain twitch thot.
I remember what happened to the kronii situation before it became a thing. She jokingly told management that she was thinking of leaving (I think she was half joking) and then brushed it off. Then she took some time off and in that time I came across post saying "she lies as east as she breathes". And I couldn't figure out why. Then she made the video about collabing with dudes. Then I saw how pathetic some weebs had become. Grow up man, you never had a chance. Only kronii is man enough for kronii!!
The vtuber fan community is its own beast separate from anime fans, gaming fans and idol fans but also somehow combines all of their most well extreme traits together at times
the one thing worries me is that fwmc empowers that idol culture thing to keep alive, after they went quiet during the holostars relay on the super expo promo, and their fans calling it "forced to look at males" (even thought its a PROMOTION) which made me feel bad for the boys because theyre not accepted yet in the en side, the jp and id girls are cool with the stars but somehow the en fanbase is too rabid to think of male vtubers
It's even more funny when you realise Karen and Connor are friends in real life and wouldn't do that. they're more brothers and sister than they are lovers and neither of them of a fan of interest.
I appreciate the even-handed tone you take in this video, but you're leaving out key context regarding the backlash against Mori, most of which can be found in videos you used as footage here and should have mentioned, at least in passing. - Backlash against Mori did NOT start with Connor's out-of-context comments on Hololive in 2021; it started with her first appearance on Trash Taste in 2020. Just like with Kronii, a handful of fans were upset just because she collab'd with men, and spent the next 2 years looking for every opportunity they could find to criticize her for "cucking" her fans. This is why Connor's comments on Hololive got taken out of context and spread around in the first place - the people doing it were the same ones who had been spreading rumors about her dating Connor since 2020. This was just the first time they managed to trick enough other fans into believing them. - The disrespectful superchats were NOT caused by Mori gifting subs to Connor; Mori gifted subs to him as a response to a disrespectful superchat. As she said in the "condom money" stream, Mori had been getting hostile superchats from people spreading rumors about her colleagues, some of which were about other Hololive members and some of which were the above misinformation about Connor. She wasn't comfortable profiting off of a donation meant to attack someone, so she started a policy of redirecting those donations to whoever the person targeted. - Mori did NOT call her fans cucks in her reply to the picture, she was making fun of the original poster in retaliation for him insulting her fans. Your video included the image, but left out the text of Mori sarcastically giving art critique and mocking the drawing's poor quality. This was still a bad idea, as many Redditors pointed out, but you should have criticized Mori for what she actually did instead of the exact opposite.
Thanks for adding additional context. While I did follow the drama during the time it happened, I went back and mainly based the sequence of events on the source linked in the description of the video. Unfortunately, this didn't mention the first instance of backlash regarding her initial Trash Taste appearance (possibly due to it not being as widespread, but it should still be noted). In regard to your last point, I think you may have misinterpreted my statement in the video. I was stating that Mori Calliope responded to the picture, which could be interpreted as essentially calling her fans 'cucks'. Not her saying that, but the image in which she complimented implying that. I probably could've been more clear with that by including the response she gave exactly to the picture in question. I'll work to be more thorough in the future when covering these events.
It's kinda sad that some fans taking things too seriously. I kinda start to dive into Hololive fandom from past 2 months, and while I can't watch their live stream because of shitty internet connection, I feed myself with clips from RUclips. I'm aware that in most fandom, there's always a backdoor where some fans arguing over stupid things, but I tend to ignore it. Most of us here just want to have some fun. And remember, no matter how much you throw your money to them, you don't own them. They're not your slave.
3:00 actually in the manga it’s all happening in his head, so the artist may have been criticizing her fans for them overthinking the situation with Connor
Conner speaking facts tho. it’s just a taped individuals who view vtubers as gods think that having the backing of a massive corporation and branding somehow doesn’t make it 100x easier to grow a audience. No one would ever even heard of 90% of hololive if it wasn’t for them joining the company
it even more funny that the reverse happens to people are mad that kronii plays with holostars at the same time a small minority was mad at Kiara for not collabing with any Holostar members or Male Vtuber so what it take a way is you can never please the small minority they always find something to hate you just do that you want
i thought kiara promoted the tempus debut last time? i didnt know theres gonna be "fans" who are using scs as weapons anyway as a starmin i dont claim that person violating the chat rules on kiaras stream
parasocial people when they do not know platonic work relationships exist. and even if the said female vtuber were dating someone or not, "she's ain't gonna be your girlfriend bro"
So Connor was in heat for saying that company vtubers have it easier than indies? He’s not wrong though, they are already highly known and hyped up due to them having professional/s doing their marketing rather than them do it themselves
I find it interesting how the two most popular HolostarsJP members approach the matter in completely opposite manner. Roberu DOES NOT use Twitter outside of work purposes. He doesn't even want to interact with fans outside of streaming or event environments. There's a very clear boundary that he has established with fans. And yet, instead of alienating his fans, they're among the more supportive fans in Holo. Roberu and Kagura Mea are probably among the most popular Vtuber ships in the JP scene. They're shipped even by fellow Vtubers. The very strict boundary he has established ironically has given him a huge amount of freedom for content. Meanwhile, Astel absolutely will flirt with anyone who doesn't mind it. When you flirt with EVERYONE, it loses all value, just like money. No one, fans or fellow Vtubers, take Astel's flirting seriously. That's just how he jokes around. It's also why he prefers outside collabs most of the time too, as he's more free to go absolutely wild with his jokes as opposed to fellow Holo, male or female, to which he draws the line on flirting (unless it's Matsuri, who he has absolutely no intention of giving mercy 😂).
Just because you donate to your favorite Vtuber/Streamer does not make you entitled to control who they can be with, who they can talk to, who they can date, and who they can collab with because you can’t control their lives
I mean I can feel how they feel. Donate and watch them so much get nothing in return yet to see them collab with males (especially recently debuted ones) its an double edge sword
There is only one criticism, that I would level against ALL Vtubers - take care of your health. Ina was gone for a couple of months because of this, Mika was in hospital for a short while, Kiara had voice problems, and had to reschedule a stream, Reimu has questionable health - Otherwise, I have no problem what they do, as long as it's permissible, I'm fine with it. You want to collab with the opposite gender - good, as long as it's fun for everyone; you want to collab with people from "the rival company" - even better, we get great crossovers with this. I've skipped many collabs, because the theme did appeal to me (i.e. Overwatch and Apex aren't my cup of tea), and I've enjoyed others.
Frankly? I don't give a fuck if calli was "unprofessional". If you are provoked at your place of work and the fuckers won't leave there's security to call. In this case, that can't happen so she was her own security. These people use their parasocial relationships as a way to cope with a severe lack of self-confidence in their waking lives. So maybe a good cold shower of truth is what they need.
The cold shower of truth is if it weren't for this fans the girls will never be who they are. They will be left in the shadows if it weren't for fans. If they fancy male collab then ask Tempus to watch their stream. Apply their membership and draw for them
@@CMPunkXXX no, lol. Most of the girls' fans are normal-ass people. Shit obsessive fans are far smaller in their fanbases than any other kind of fan. The world would just keep spinning, happier than ever without those fans. Being a fan does not entitle you to shit. You are a fan cuz you like their content. If anything you shoulf be thankful to the girls for being a fan of them. And anything on top of that is purely transactional. You are appreciated, but not entitled to anything.
@@chukyuniqul Normal ass you say? Yet aren't loud enough or brave enough to confront the reality that the girls are using you as a pawn and a shield. Once again my cold show truth has merit. We are just a paw . Our "love their content" is only a small bait before we fell into the trap. And once you do you will be brainwashed into thinking by defending this girls will be worth of your time
@@CMPunkXXX there is not a group more brainwashed or insane than people this scared of being brainwashed. Keep coping. You're miserable and hated, I'm not. You're not the one winning here.
I mean when the idea is that you're a grim reaper or a time warden... i cant help but think i genuinely believe that there are people who think they are like higher beings to them and that's why it seeks perfection... the beauty of what vtubers gives is the benefit of idol culture that cultivates from the japan... say what you will but literally every single vtuber follows the other hololive or nijisanji trends... it's no surprising that others expect vtubers to be like that at a certain point...
While Connor is kind of correct, his comment was still insensitive and rude. But yes, Hololive members do have a much easier time getting themselves out there because they are backed by Hololive. People know Hololive so they assume “oh a new member? Great I’m going to like watching them.” Whereas Indie Vtubers have to carve their name into the internet by themselves.
In the end SCREW ENTITLEMENT! But please embrace thankfulness for what you have you will live much better lives that way. Keep on Keeping on Cali and Kronii You all do You.
I Believe the people who are having these over the top reactions in male/female collabs are those who have very few IRL connections. it is not a healthy place to be in. Unless the talent has been explicitly marketing themselves as the "Girlfriend Experience" they aren't betraying their brand. These emotions they are investing into vtubers would be better off spent pursuing a girlfriend or wife. They are entertainers. you are as significant to them , as your neighbor who is 3 doors down, is to you. now, if an artist stops producing the content you like. stop watching and stop supporting them. but people out here making grandiose statements like they aren't just 1 of a1,00,000 random dudes throwing money at some women on the internet. Also you can't be cucked by a freaking cartoon, if you feel that way, even a bit, please evaluate your life. I've seen some of the comments and these people sound like the lady from "Misery"
Parasocials are a blight on the vtuber community, and they ruin it for the rest of us who enjoy seeing content. No, you're going going to win them over as your waifus.... On the bright side, I am TOTALLY STOKED about seeing the Monopoly Collab with Calli, Magni, Vesper and Kronii. If I recall from the Mario Party collab, it was super toxic... AND I LOVED IT!!!
You do realize that the whole company would perish without these parasocials, right? Vtubers can just come out and say fuck you directly to them but they wouldn't because they're the ones paying thier bills. Moral of story don't give gfe to your viewers if you don't want to be viewed as a gf.
@reichsfuhrermonika6469 exactly, they cultivate these types of fans for years then suddenly flip on them then go full on bitch mode. This is how incels are born. Literally if you tell people to hit the gym and that "we're just friends" non of this would happen, but no that doesn't pay the bills
Some vtuber fans (and fans of live streamers in general) are straight up delusional and unhinged. I enjoy watching quite a few vtubers when they stream, I even occasionally donate when/what I can to help support the content I enjoy, but I also understand that I do not actually know any of them on a personal level, and they don't know me in that way. I know that people are gonna have their fantasies and what not, but some just let it get to a point where it really becomes unhealthy and really toxic! Support the streamer(s) you enjoy, but at the same time don't neglect your own needs (physical, mental, etc.). Streamers are human, they're gonna make mistakes just like the rest of us
I doubt the fact that mori admitted in a stream that before she joined hololive she did have a similar opinion as Conners about Vtubers helped her any.
I don't particularly like any of the holostars, but I don't really care about kronii or anyone else collabing with them. If they have a fun time, it'll be good content. Also, what Connor said wasn't wrong
Not q vtuber fan but wtf is this shit. Saying "unprofessionalism" for a talking anime girl persona? People getting mad when they talk to men when they will never meet them ever. What is wrong with people
Trying to prevent something before it happens is a bad way to handle it. Because you're jumping the gun and basically blaming people for something they haven't done yet, which will make them mad for assuming. And even if they listen, i think they should be able to collab with whoever they want. Gender is just a concept, a concept made to understand sex, and something that shouldn't matter in this context. And their private lives should remain private. So the fans should chill the fuck out. They don't need your permission to be human.
Some simps are going overboard by getting heated by co-ed collabs. Like, they (vtubers) aren't your personal bf or gf. They aren't physically real. You shouldn't be upset that this imagined character is getting along with another character simply to have fun. Touch some grass and make real connections with real people out in the world
Whether irl or holos I just dont get the zealotry of keeping idols so pure for fans. I mean I think the guy who married the holo character a bit more sane then some of the hate from idol fans for the smallest mess up.
I'm really glad that I'm not on the schizo spectrum at all lmao People need to REALLY start touching grass more and remember that VTubers also have lives and can make their own choices.
I ain't gonna lie I am a lot of things about this situation but the thing im not is surprised the fanbase of vtubers does mostly consist of losers that's a running joke for a reason just kinda sad that actually good collabs that could be funny can't happen. it's moronic really.
I've thought this backlash was exclusively Japan's like what they did to Idols IRL like Minami Minegishi of AKB48 But for Hololive EN for intended overseas audience? Come on!
Didn't have issue with Kronii doing collabs with guys (she's the funniest I've ever heard her during those collabs) but her response to those who are against them; the female friend bit and the shipping. 1, she's talking to a bunch of mostly guys spending hundreds on her... why would they do that? Because they don't have GFs, she's involved in this stuff she should know this your fans are attracted to your anime avatar not whoever you are in real life. Next is the shipping, I always hear BaeRyS, Kromei, AmeSame, etc but the second shipping her with Vesper or Regis came up she shot that down (then walked that back I hear). She has two fanbases, otaku and normies, the otaku took their parasocial needs too far but the normies shouldn't be acting like they're above parasocial actions since they send her money to get her to acknowledge them too.
If you don't like who someone is collaborating with just....don't watch the stream? Or give it a chance? I was watching Fauna last night and at first my mind didn't like that someone else joined because I was in the mindset that I tuned in to watch Fauna and the other one was hijacking her presence in my autistic brain. I could've just closed the stream and not watched its as simple as that but I gave it a chance and enjoyed it. I understand not enjoying your favourite creator collab with another but you don't have to, you don't have to tune in to every single stream to be a fan. If you're not enjoying the content then just tune out of it for that session. Simple.
I've always said that you don't have to attend very steam it more sad that alot of fans feel they do to call themselves fans for example I heavily distrust vshojo so when they where doing there collabs i simply never show up it pointless to gatekeep or to attack just don't show up
I always thought this kinda thing was exclusive to jp idol culture and wouldnt really have any traction with the international audience. Tho to be fair, its not the majority of fans complaining about these collabs, its a small minority overall.
If anything, I'm pseudo-mad about the recent *lack* of V-Tuber collaborations in the industry, especially when it comes to holoEN side of the equation (particularly with *my* favorite V-Tuber, Gura).
I mean it is more like they need to be extra talented to join Hololive, case and point recently was Elizabeth Rose Bloodflame. Also unicorns specifically are a bit of a problem for the interest of Jailbirds, one of their top missions is Nerissa to get married. This is the one idol who can be seiso and in a relationship.
Also apparently EN is the only people to exist in these people's heads because ID and JP collab with men but I don't see anyone complaining. Hololive fans hate Nijisanji even tho Hololive EN members have voiced multiple times how much they want to collab with Niji EN. Holo ID and Niji ID have colllabed multiple times And the people saying saying the men joined the company to only flirt with girls is a stupid take because not only do the guys flirt with each other but also get your head out of your ass and overt your eyes to reality and realize your not in your own anime.
Mori's response to this was funny af, likely the only reason she backed down is probably holo themselves telling her "look, parasocials are like 80% of your income. if you burn that bridge, most of the normal people aren't gonna spend thousands in superchats or merch, so please just stop".
I'd probably say that the only thing any vtuber can do is remind everyone that they're an entertainer and nothing more. What I don't know is whether Mori actually makes more through Hololive, or through her other hustles. All I know is that most youtube entertainers continue what they're doing for just a few years and end up retiring completely afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Myth generation graduates within this year or the next few years. Some are already showing signs of complete burnout.
lol yeah their allowed to collab with anyone they want but the viewers are allowed to stop viewing and donating to them if they dont want to bcuz of it. The woman know that thats why they dont talk about they're irl relationships or say it for proffesional reasons cuz they know most of theyre fans would leave and theyre source of income greatly diminishes really theyre no better than their viewers just manipulating these astronomically down bad guys and using them for money
(i am sory for the ling text) its interesting to think that people like bae and ame recieved next to no backlash (or none that ive seen)for interacting with males. yet kiara had her fan specifically say no to collabs with males i think it comes down to the audience and community the individual talents cultivate (on purpose or not) calli and kronii are kind of tomboyish, stand their ground, know what they want and isnt really afraid of confronting their community. they dont fit the "traditional idol" mold and this isnt to insult the others but the talents like fauna kiara and ina, may have unintentionaly cultivated a more "traditional idol" community in their fanbase. which may breed more hostility against collabs with males. as these types of fans i think would gravitate more to talents that fit their "so pure girl uwu gives me so much comfort in life. so cute with x girl" i think itd be beneficial for any future talents if they want to collab with the opposite gender, is to do it early on and just weed out the toxic simps. not having any collab with the opposite sex for a long period would definitely make the simps think "oh i have a chance with her" TLDR: hololive talents whether on purpose or not cultivate the mentality of their community to an extent, and how they do it can weed out toxic fans or not
I agree that in the future, the talents should clarify whether or not they will do Opposite gender collabs, cause although there was some anger about Ame collabing on 4chan, hardly any "Unicorns" (the toxic simps in question) got angry with Bae because she had said on debut that she would collab with guys, so they did not set any expectations for them. It will also prevent the Unicorns from ever going berserk like they did against Kronii, who they had figured would mostly stick to girls only. I could go a bit more in-depth on how these fans came to be, but it might be a long story.
@@chasebladesword1211 i think its best they atleast say not to be surprised if they do collab with opposite sex. cause according to someone else in the comment section, kronii has previously said she had no plans to collab with males. which is allegedly why her "fans" were mad so atleast whether they do collab with males or not, it wont be a surprise and most of the backlash will be mitigated
I just do not understand the level of entitlement going on here. I get that the whole point of a lot of vtubers is to come off as your waifu, but these people aren’t even allowed to BREATHE near another man let alone be friends with one! You do not have control over who people collab with simply because you give them money or tweet at them, that’s not logical! Also, just because someone is in the same room as the opposite sex doesn’t mean they’re anything more than friends! And if they are it’s not your business! Nobody is entitled to a vtuber’s dating life because I’m sorry but you’re not their fucking boyfriend!
Ain't this obvious? It's to prevent relationship forming and making their waifu Vtuber remain pure so they could imagine being with her as their dream girlfriend with no strings attached. They're probably haters of netorare doujins too, especially when the one who's fucking their virtual gf is a guy more fit and handsome than them.
No exactly a vtuber fan (I'm quite able to just enter and leave the rabbit hole just for relevant content) or streamers in general since I'm unable find entertainment in watching someone for hours. But i used to watch a lot of clips of Ironmouse, i have since long stopped watching any content related to her for 2 reasons. The nux drama, and Connor collabs. The former leaving a bad taste on my mind for all vshojo in general, and the latter because i just hate the guy. Honest to god, i do NOT know the reason, either the way he talks or his stand in some topics, not really sure. I just hate the guy, i do believe he has a punchable face. I never bothered her, like a grain of dust on the side, i just stopped watching her, people need to be reminded that YOU CAN JUST LEAVE, specially now in this era, there is a lot of fish to choose from *quite literal in some cases. Edit. Erased an essay, not worth the hassle, specially since my mind works more like a robot than an actual human. On a probably unrelated note. Twitter should die, at this point that site is normie 4-chan. Which is a nutcase in on itself.
As a guy who's been on kiwi farms, I feel like Calli is loved and hated for the same reasons. She's essentially the anti Idol which deviates her a lot from her peers and that's the reasons many people really like her, but also causes more traditional fans to be put off. However, I think she definitely represents the direction that the industry will move as more and more Western Talent join the community space.
There areany reason people dislike mori some very dumb but most of the reasons are, imo, valid. How she treated kiara like shit, always late/dellay to collabs and the one ive seen the most is how she used her holo persona to push her alter dying career. Not that i agreed with them its jusr what ive seen.
@@stolas2393 that was their character Dynamic though. It's literally Bert and Ernie, but it got a little too weird for both of them so they stopped it halfway into their career. Everything else just had to do with her being new to streaming and getting accustomed to everything that comes with it
@stolas Calli has said numerous times onstream that her prior music career was extremely successful in the months before HoloEN was even announced, let alone launched. It was making more money than her day job at the time. That's probably why Cover hired her on despite a relative lack of streaming experience compared to the other 4. In other words, she didn't use Holo to help her indie career - she used that indie career to help get into Holo. So no, that's not a valid reason and it's the complete opposite of what was actually happening.
@@TheCalvdog Her saying that music paid more than whatever waitress gigs she did on the side means nothing. Her numbers multiplied after holocontract and she really made sure people knew her roommates channel. Also, calli constantly lies and ditches holostreams to push her other channel, her attitude towards viewers and industry is almost toxic.
No, you don't understand. Men and women can't have platonic interactions or friendships with each other. There is always romantic or sexual subtext to everything that's said between people of different sexes. I mean, no woman has ever talked to me so I'm just guessing, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
I don't like it when people are being are stupid like that😑. The moment they collab with someone you dislike you don't like them anymore SERIOUSLY😒 When people go out of their way to attack the ones they supposedly loved, do you know what that is.............BETRAYAL☹ just don't get involved with it if you don't like it😤 p.s 2:59 Whenever I see a mod of that RaG art I always say "Not this again😆😆"
Why is that the case? Because some creeps are parasocial delusional stalkers who lost and grip on reality a long time ago and should be put in an institution against their will and given both therapy and pharmaceutical aid in recovering.
This is just the cost of being in the business of making money off men's love for women. It's especially worse in men because men can love a woman for just being attractive and existing. This doesn't happen with male streamers because men can't leverage their being a man to get popular. They have to be good at something to get popular, and when they can only build their popularity off being good at something, they'll only get an audience who has no feelings for them and only care about their work. The closest a man can get to being popular off their existence is by being an attractive male celebrity, and that's why they get creepy girl groupies.
I mean it's very obvious why people are upset. These are supposed to be idols, which I'm not even 100% sure that that means. It's a weird culture but it's the culture they signed up for. They didn't sign up to just be normal streamers. This was created for a very specific type of person, that person being lonely men. If they wanted to usual thing they could always watch hot tub streams on twitch. I think it's all predatory, but the drama is entertaining. It's also obvious why the non JP viewers don't really get it.
@@krabman2889 Just don't collab with males then. You can collab with girls from either same agency or different ones I don't care about that but leave males out of it. It ruins the purpose of idols
The Calli situation was so stupid at first, but the bigger problem was her just pouring gasoline nonstop on the fire, making her take L's after L's, at same point just take some time off to cooldown xD
What really put this whole "taboo" of the Hololive girls collabing with Holostars, or any male streamer for that matter, into perspective is when Bae had to address her collabing with the Tempus guys like she was talking to a bunch of kids. Like, how bad is it when a streamer has to talk like that over a potential collab? But I also saw what started the Rushia drama, so I guess I can't be all that surprised.
Yeah, a lot of the regulars need deep levels of therapy
Most fans aren't nuts like that and the majority seemed to defend both Kronii and Rushia in this situation. Rushia got it extra rough because part of her gimmic was offering viewers a girlfriend experience which drew in a lot more crazies to her channel. Kronii doesn't do that so the difference between the number of sane and lunatic fans is bigger in favour of the sane ones. But the crazies are loud and aggressive and I think often attract antis who end up bolstering their numbers in order to mess with the vtubers
@@brucejedilee5290 yeah, I get that. I know most of the EN fans that act wild like that keep to /vt/, but I was watching that stream of Bae’s live and I got like second hand embarrassment from it. Imo none of the members of any branch, guy or girl, should have to do that it’s just sad. The people who do freak out like that need to legitimately go outside lol
Which ones Bae?
@@moroseloki1912 red Aussie rat girl
This is why I like ID branch, their fanbase don't need to start drama over male and female collab. They also have collabed with them since 2020 without any major controversy. All of these issue of mixed collab feels really petty to begin with especially when shitty "loud minority" started to harass talent. People outside vtuber community and normies keep making fun of Hololive and its fanbase because of this issue
I can’t agree more….Holo ID fan is so wholesome and also never felt entitled by being respectful towards the talents and their associates
@@Shya8 you think it’s because the way certain Vtubers pander to audiences or something else?
@@krabman2889 ID is more tolerable when they collab with a male its because the ID REALLY LOVES their fans. EN maybe do but to the extend of only not giving other fans some chance to shine (eg Clippers, Animators or Fanartist) and continue to stay that way which is sad. My favourite is Ollie and Reine
@@muinyacob534 and they have extremely strong internet regulations
@@muinyacob534 Kinda agree. EN are a bunch of whores compare to ID
Honestly some fans don’t deserve the free content they receive. Or worse, maybe it’s the superchat donors that feel empowered to control what’s on stream
Thank you. You pay for the content they already provide. If you aren't enjoying it, stop paying. Or better yet, stop showing up. You don't get to dictate content.
Yeah. Like when Amelia Watson calling her fans spoiled, it's half truth.
Well, not in her context, but generally speaking, it's true.
Yeah because paid content makes them a hoe is it not?
@@SeraphArmaros well that’s kind of the vtuber’s main concern, that people stop paying!
Unpopular opinion: donating to streamers, vtubers, etc is like throwing your money to a fire pit (from time to time donating is fine but donating a lot of your earnings is too far unless it’s a charity stream or you just have enough money)
I think this is just Idol culture seeping into Vtubing
There is a absurd sense of purity in the Idol community , Idols are often sexualised to hell and back
Suggestive dances and clothing but they are also supposed to be pure
Im all for collaborations, even if my favorites collab with male or female vtubers. I cant see why people can be upset at this. Its cool to see collaborations.
People who aren't capable of socialization have a hard time understanding how casual socialization works.
Tbh, Calli's response to the tweet was hilarious.
Streamers are at their best when they're doing something they personally find fun. If a collab with a dude is fun for them, it will good content for us viewers. I mean shit, ever since Tempus debuted, every collab between them and the girls have been absolute bangers.
This is real the based take, it should be up to the talents to decide what they enjoy and do as they please, far too many people seem just as hell driven to force male collabs as the Crazed "unicorns" are to stop them, but it should always be about the streamers enjoyment. If they aren't happy, their fans will notice and become less happy too.
Holo id x tempus have been great. Sad that they dont get that much recognition though, I hope it'll change for the better soon
@@shmaowzaow5214 Hope not
@@shmaowzaow5214 Idk about that. Even Astel doesnt get much recognition even with Suisei help
Banger? Bang Bros would say more likely with their male female collab
honestly I like it when they do collabs and I don't care who they collab with as long as the content is enjoyable to watch, ofcourse I also like their solo contents as well and for those who are getting salty about this stupid (yes, that's what I call this "drama") thing take a very deep breath and evaluate yourself, THEY are not anyone's property but they're own and whether you like it or not YOU will never dictate what they can and can't do, that's for them to decide and not YOU.
Reminded me of the guy who was a 19 month member who cancelled his membership cause "she lied to her fans" about not collabing with Tempus. Like nobody gives a crap how long he was a member or what he decides to do with his money.
And that alone is why the girls are ignorant about who brought them success. If it weren't for that guy who has his feeling played out it wouldn't be like this. One loss will always be a worst outcome in the future
@@CMPunkXXX To be fair they brought themselves success. And will continue to do so even if you or others decide to be lame and weird about stuff like this.
@@CMPunkXXX money isnt succes??!?!?!?!?
I feel a majority of the issues may be the people who donate feel entitled to lets just say many things from that creator, people often forget that purpose of donating is to show your support for the person from the goodness of your heart.
Idol culture is kinda brutal, and some of us do it ironically, but there will always be those who cross the line.
Wrong. The whole point of idols is to serve as a virtual girlfriend. Thats why idols in japan are not allowed to have boyfriends or be photographed with other men. Its a business model and the fans that pay money are owed what they paid for. Since the whole concept of idols is lost on you, you don't even need Hololive. Just go watch any peabrain twitch thot.
the issue is that the threat of losing that income is a real concern for the streamer/idol.
Idk, I feel if a company embraced idol culture, they would get a bang for this bucks
@@krabman2889 Agreed. Idol culture maybe a cursed but certainly it can be blessing too. Honestly the white knight are the one whom ruined it all too
I'm sorry but Mori responding to that tweet and image is fucking hilarious and I only like and respect her more.
but will you watch her streams she needs viewers more than ever.
@@Mrfluffy-c2u what does that mean
we watch her stuff, like.... uhhh regularly??
I remember what happened to the kronii situation before it became a thing. She jokingly told management that she was thinking of leaving (I think she was half joking) and then brushed it off. Then she took some time off and in that time I came across post saying "she lies as east as she breathes". And I couldn't figure out why. Then she made the video about collabing with dudes. Then I saw how pathetic some weebs had become. Grow up man, you never had a chance. Only kronii is man enough for kronii!!
The vtuber fan community is its own beast separate from anime fans, gaming fans and idol fans but also somehow combines all of their most well extreme traits together at times
Idol culture is very toxic. I’m glad some Vtubers are rejecting such viewers. If such people leave the community then it’s no big loss.
the one thing worries me is that fwmc empowers that idol culture thing to keep alive, after they went quiet during the holostars relay on the super expo promo, and their fans calling it "forced to look at males" (even thought its a PROMOTION) which made me feel bad for the boys because theyre not accepted yet in the en side, the jp and id girls are cool with the stars but somehow the en fanbase is too rabid to think of male vtubers
It's even more funny when you realise Karen and Connor are friends in real life and wouldn't do that. they're more brothers and sister than they are lovers and neither of them of a fan of interest.
*Incest* neither of them are a fan of Incest *facepalm* I hate autocorrect.
I appreciate the even-handed tone you take in this video, but you're leaving out key context regarding the backlash against Mori, most of which can be found in videos you used as footage here and should have mentioned, at least in passing.
- Backlash against Mori did NOT start with Connor's out-of-context comments on Hololive in 2021; it started with her first appearance on Trash Taste in 2020. Just like with Kronii, a handful of fans were upset just because she collab'd with men, and spent the next 2 years looking for every opportunity they could find to criticize her for "cucking" her fans. This is why Connor's comments on Hololive got taken out of context and spread around in the first place - the people doing it were the same ones who had been spreading rumors about her dating Connor since 2020. This was just the first time they managed to trick enough other fans into believing them.
- The disrespectful superchats were NOT caused by Mori gifting subs to Connor; Mori gifted subs to him as a response to a disrespectful superchat. As she said in the "condom money" stream, Mori had been getting hostile superchats from people spreading rumors about her colleagues, some of which were about other Hololive members and some of which were the above misinformation about Connor. She wasn't comfortable profiting off of a donation meant to attack someone, so she started a policy of redirecting those donations to whoever the person targeted.
- Mori did NOT call her fans cucks in her reply to the picture, she was making fun of the original poster in retaliation for him insulting her fans. Your video included the image, but left out the text of Mori sarcastically giving art critique and mocking the drawing's poor quality. This was still a bad idea, as many Redditors pointed out, but you should have criticized Mori for what she actually did instead of the exact opposite.
Thanks for adding additional context.
While I did follow the drama during the time it happened, I went back and mainly based the sequence of events on the source linked in the description of the video. Unfortunately, this didn't mention the first instance of backlash regarding her initial Trash Taste appearance (possibly due to it not being as widespread, but it should still be noted).
In regard to your last point, I think you may have misinterpreted my statement in the video. I was stating that Mori Calliope responded to the picture, which could be interpreted as essentially calling her fans 'cucks'. Not her saying that, but the image in which she complimented implying that. I probably could've been more clear with that by including the response she gave exactly to the picture in question. I'll work to be more thorough in the future when covering these events.
It's kinda sad that some fans taking things too seriously. I kinda start to dive into Hololive fandom from past 2 months, and while I can't watch their live stream because of shitty internet connection, I feed myself with clips from RUclips. I'm aware that in most fandom, there's always a backdoor where some fans arguing over stupid things, but I tend to ignore it. Most of us here just want to have some fun. And remember, no matter how much you throw your money to them, you don't own them. They're not your slave.
3:00 actually in the manga it’s all happening in his head, so the artist may have been criticizing her fans for them overthinking the situation with Connor
Conner speaking facts tho. it’s just a taped individuals who view vtubers as gods think that having the backing of a massive corporation and branding somehow doesn’t make it 100x easier to grow a audience.
No one would ever even heard of 90% of hololive if it wasn’t for them joining the company
it even more funny that the reverse happens to people are mad that kronii plays with holostars at the same time a small minority was mad at Kiara for not collabing with any Holostar members or Male Vtuber so what it take a way is you can never please the small minority they always find something to hate you just do that you want
i thought kiara promoted the tempus debut last time? i didnt know theres gonna be "fans" who are using scs as weapons
anyway as a starmin i dont claim that person violating the chat rules on kiaras stream
parasocial people when they do not know platonic work relationships exist.
and even if the said female vtuber were dating someone or not, "she's ain't gonna be your girlfriend bro"
*lewd baerys fanarts is fine*
*but being able to talk to holostars is illegal somehow?*
According to the standards these fake fans have, they are not allowed to talk to their fathers, I guess.
Bold of you to assume they even have fathers......or touch grass.........or have legitimate relationships.
@@NuclearWintr Assume? It's confirmed. I wasn't talking about the fans there
You white knight are also another issue here. Igniting the flames ain't gonna help
@@muinyacob534 Good job making false assumptions and then quickly deleting afterwards.
@@BradleyMcCloud He never delete the comment you monkey its still there 🤣
So Connor was in heat for saying that company vtubers have it easier than indies? He’s not wrong though, they are already highly known and hyped up due to them having professional/s doing their marketing rather than them do it themselves
I find it interesting how the two most popular HolostarsJP members approach the matter in completely opposite manner. Roberu DOES NOT use Twitter outside of work purposes. He doesn't even want to interact with fans outside of streaming or event environments. There's a very clear boundary that he has established with fans. And yet, instead of alienating his fans, they're among the more supportive fans in Holo. Roberu and Kagura Mea are probably among the most popular Vtuber ships in the JP scene. They're shipped even by fellow Vtubers. The very strict boundary he has established ironically has given him a huge amount of freedom for content.
Meanwhile, Astel absolutely will flirt with anyone who doesn't mind it. When you flirt with EVERYONE, it loses all value, just like money. No one, fans or fellow Vtubers, take Astel's flirting seriously. That's just how he jokes around. It's also why he prefers outside collabs most of the time too, as he's more free to go absolutely wild with his jokes as opposed to fellow Holo, male or female, to which he draws the line on flirting (unless it's Matsuri, who he has absolutely no intention of giving mercy 😂).
Just because you donate to your favorite Vtuber/Streamer does not make you entitled to control who they can be with, who they can talk to, who they can date, and who they can collab with because you can’t control their lives
Yes yes let them take advantage of us male fans while Tempus whom did nothing for the Myth or Council gets the VIP
@@HololiveHateFansHHF LOL fucking take advantage. No one is forcing you to donate money cuck.
@@HololiveHateFansHHF
if you dont like them acting like independend adult humans then just leave.
In the same breath, the drama over Reimu and Vox was extremely disheartening. Like, it was the very same thing, just genders reversed.
“if i don’t like something, i just won’t watch.”
that’s kind of the point. vtubers concerned with people abandoning over a “bad” collab.
I mean I can feel how they feel. Donate and watch them so much get nothing in return yet to see them collab with males (especially recently debuted ones) its an double edge sword
@@muinyacob534 y’all aren’t ever gonna get anything from them lmao don’t be delusional now…
@@juno3281 Thats the most ignorant thing to ever said. You should be ashamed
@@muinyacob534 god forbid someone says calliope mori isn’t your personal girlfriend lmao yes very ignorant
@@juno3281 Girlfriend? Who needs that? We own her friendship as much as she own ours
There is only one criticism, that I would level against ALL Vtubers - take care of your health. Ina was gone for a couple of months because of this, Mika was in hospital for a short while, Kiara had voice problems, and had to reschedule a stream, Reimu has questionable health -
Otherwise, I have no problem what they do, as long as it's permissible, I'm fine with it. You want to collab with the opposite gender - good, as long as it's fun for everyone; you want to collab with people from "the rival company" - even better, we get great crossovers with this. I've skipped many collabs, because the theme did appeal to me (i.e. Overwatch and Apex aren't my cup of tea), and I've enjoyed others.
Frankly? I don't give a fuck if calli was "unprofessional". If you are provoked at your place of work and the fuckers won't leave there's security to call. In this case, that can't happen so she was her own security. These people use their parasocial relationships as a way to cope with a severe lack of self-confidence in their waking lives. So maybe a good cold shower of truth is what they need.
The cold shower of truth is if it weren't for this fans the girls will never be who they are. They will be left in the shadows if it weren't for fans. If they fancy male collab then ask Tempus to watch their stream. Apply their membership and draw for them
@@CMPunkXXX no, lol. Most of the girls' fans are normal-ass people. Shit obsessive fans are far smaller in their fanbases than any other kind of fan. The world would just keep spinning, happier than ever without those fans. Being a fan does not entitle you to shit. You are a fan cuz you like their content. If anything you shoulf be thankful to the girls for being a fan of them. And anything on top of that is purely transactional. You are appreciated, but not entitled to anything.
@@chukyuniqul Normal ass you say? Yet aren't loud enough or brave enough to confront the reality that the girls are using you as a pawn and a shield. Once again my cold show truth has merit. We are just a paw . Our "love their content" is only a small bait before we fell into the trap. And once you do you will be brainwashed into thinking by defending this girls will be worth of your time
@@CMPunkXXX there is not a group more brainwashed or insane than people this scared of being brainwashed. Keep coping. You're miserable and hated, I'm not. You're not the one winning here.
@@chukyuniqul Oh I already winning without even trying nigga 🤣. You cab deny all you want but it all comes down to in the end. Time will tell!
I mean when the idea is that you're a grim reaper or a time warden... i cant help but think i genuinely believe that there are people who think they are like higher beings to them and that's why it seeks perfection... the beauty of what vtubers gives is the benefit of idol culture that cultivates from the japan... say what you will but literally every single vtuber follows the other hololive or nijisanji trends... it's no surprising that others expect vtubers to be like that at a certain point...
They need to touch grass for sure
So does the vtuber it seems
You need to touch and eat the whole planet bitch
@@spoodermahn5066 *glares at vtubers having homework when they end their streams*
While Connor is kind of correct, his comment was still insensitive and rude. But yes, Hololive members do have a much easier time getting themselves out there because they are backed by Hololive. People know Hololive so they assume “oh a new member? Great I’m going to like watching them.” Whereas Indie Vtubers have to carve their name into the internet by themselves.
In the end SCREW ENTITLEMENT! But please embrace thankfulness for what you have you will live much better lives that way. Keep on Keeping on Cali and Kronii You all do You.
Kronii never collab with male afterward after her "I do what I want" tweet because that prove her lying even more clearer tgan before
I Believe the people who are having these over the top reactions in male/female collabs are those who have very few IRL connections. it is not a healthy place to be in.
Unless the talent has been explicitly marketing themselves as the "Girlfriend Experience" they aren't betraying their brand.
These emotions they are investing into vtubers would be better off spent pursuing a girlfriend or wife. They are entertainers. you are as significant to them , as your neighbor who is 3 doors down, is to you.
now, if an artist stops producing the content you like. stop watching and stop supporting them. but people out here making grandiose statements like they aren't just 1 of a1,00,000 random dudes throwing money at some women on the internet.
Also you can't be cucked by a freaking cartoon, if you feel that way, even a bit, please evaluate your life.
I've seen some of the comments and these people sound like the lady from "Misery"
Parasocials are a blight on the vtuber community, and they ruin it for the rest of us who enjoy seeing content. No, you're going going to win them over as your waifus....
On the bright side, I am TOTALLY STOKED about seeing the Monopoly Collab with Calli, Magni, Vesper and Kronii. If I recall from the Mario Party collab, it was super toxic... AND I LOVED IT!!!
You do realize that the whole company would perish without these parasocials, right? Vtubers can just come out and say fuck you directly to them but they wouldn't because they're the ones paying thier bills. Moral of story don't give gfe to your viewers if you don't want to be viewed as a gf.
@@ammarnk9260 found the parasocial
@@ammarnk9260 Go touch grass
@reichsfuhrermonika6469 exactly, they cultivate these types of fans for years then suddenly flip on them then go full on bitch mode. This is how incels are born. Literally if you tell people to hit the gym and that "we're just friends" non of this would happen, but no that doesn't pay the bills
@@yamchayaku Dont jump into conclusion boy
Some vtuber fans (and fans of live streamers in general) are straight up delusional and unhinged. I enjoy watching quite a few vtubers when they stream, I even occasionally donate when/what I can to help support the content I enjoy, but I also understand that I do not actually know any of them on a personal level, and they don't know me in that way. I know that people are gonna have their fantasies and what not, but some just let it get to a point where it really becomes unhealthy and really toxic!
Support the streamer(s) you enjoy, but at the same time don't neglect your own needs (physical, mental, etc.). Streamers are human, they're gonna make mistakes just like the rest of us
I doubt the fact that mori admitted in a stream that before she joined hololive she did have a similar opinion as Conners about Vtubers helped her any.
This is a great, "Don't do drugs" PSA I've seen in a while.
I don't particularly like any of the holostars, but I don't really care about kronii or anyone else collabing with them. If they have a fun time, it'll be good content.
Also, what Connor said wasn't wrong
I like content person 1
I like content person 2
They do content together
I like, I happy :3
Based
Not q vtuber fan but wtf is this shit. Saying "unprofessionalism" for a talking anime girl persona? People getting mad when they talk to men when they will never meet them ever. What is wrong with people
Trying to prevent something before it happens is a bad way to handle it. Because you're jumping the gun and basically blaming people for something they haven't done yet, which will make them mad for assuming. And even if they listen, i think they should be able to collab with whoever they want. Gender is just a concept, a concept made to understand sex, and something that shouldn't matter in this context. And their private lives should remain private. So the fans should chill the fuck out. They don't need your permission to be human.
Some simps are going overboard by getting heated by co-ed collabs. Like, they (vtubers) aren't your personal bf or gf. They aren't physically real. You shouldn't be upset that this imagined character is getting along with another character simply to have fun. Touch some grass and make real connections with real people out in the world
Oompaville is the perfect example of how collabing with hated people can turn into a masterpiece.
Which collab? Can I get the sauce?
@@thecrownedflameofabyss9303 Nicado and Vegan Teacher. Both are still pretty bad, but he turned them from a caricature into a human.
@@genericsidecharacter8915 Ah, can i get the links to those videos? please?
@@thecrownedflameofabyss9303 bro just look it up
@@genericsidecharacter8915 right
Whether irl or holos I just dont get the zealotry of keeping idols so pure for fans. I mean I think the guy who married the holo character a bit more sane then some of the hate from idol fans for the smallest mess up.
I'm really glad that I'm not on the schizo spectrum at all lmao
People need to REALLY start touching grass more and remember that VTubers also have lives and can make their own choices.
I ain't gonna lie I am a lot of things about this situation but the thing im not is surprised the fanbase of vtubers does mostly consist of losers that's a running joke for a reason just kinda sad that actually good collabs that could be funny can't happen. it's moronic really.
Without collabs, I would not find new vtubers.
And now we have fwmc and those two are even worse than the big three
Kroni's collab was hilarious
I've thought this backlash was exclusively Japan's like what they did to Idols IRL like Minami Minegishi of AKB48
But for Hololive EN for intended overseas audience?
Come on!
The West was supposed to be better about this...
But these incidents...shame that.
Ugh, it boils my blood to see it all happen.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Can you blame them? Connor talk trash and Calli side with him. He deserve it
@Muin Yacob you are the problem.
@@librariviera4581 You're the real problem here nigga
@@muinyacob534 White knight be white knight. They always defend tyranny
Didn't have issue with Kronii doing collabs with guys (she's the funniest I've ever heard her during those collabs) but her response to those who are against them; the female friend bit and the shipping. 1, she's talking to a bunch of mostly guys spending hundreds on her... why would they do that? Because they don't have GFs, she's involved in this stuff she should know this your fans are attracted to your anime avatar not whoever you are in real life.
Next is the shipping, I always hear BaeRyS, Kromei, AmeSame, etc but the second shipping her with Vesper or Regis came up she shot that down (then walked that back I hear). She has two fanbases, otaku and normies, the otaku took their parasocial needs too far but the normies shouldn't be acting like they're above parasocial actions since they send her money to get her to acknowledge them too.
vtuber drama in a nutshell : buncha degen tryna control ppl who doesn't even know them lmao
If you don't like who someone is collaborating with just....don't watch the stream? Or give it a chance? I was watching Fauna last night and at first my mind didn't like that someone else joined because I was in the mindset that I tuned in to watch Fauna and the other one was hijacking her presence in my autistic brain. I could've just closed the stream and not watched its as simple as that but I gave it a chance and enjoyed it. I understand not enjoying your favourite creator collab with another but you don't have to, you don't have to tune in to every single stream to be a fan. If you're not enjoying the content then just tune out of it for that session. Simple.
I've always said that you don't have to attend very steam it more sad that alot of fans feel they do to call themselves fans for example I heavily distrust vshojo so when they where doing there collabs i simply never show up it pointless to gatekeep or to attack just don't show up
I always thought this kinda thing was exclusive to jp idol culture and wouldnt really have any traction with the international audience. Tho to be fair, its not the majority of fans complaining about these collabs, its a small minority overall.
In conclusion, there are people who are weird and need to go outside.
If anything, I'm pseudo-mad about the recent *lack* of V-Tuber collaborations in the industry, especially when it comes to holoEN side of the equation (particularly with *my* favorite V-Tuber, Gura).
Seen a couple but it sounds like every other fanbase in existence: the vocal minority bitching and crying they don't get to control what they like
“I hit the lean” 💀
"fans", these people who throw verbal abuse at you aren't fans no matter how much they want to pretend they "love" you
I mean it is more like they need to be extra talented to join Hololive, case and point recently was Elizabeth Rose Bloodflame.
Also unicorns specifically are a bit of a problem for the interest of Jailbirds, one of their top missions is Nerissa to get married. This is the one idol who can be seiso and in a relationship.
As some people would say when it comes to idol culture: “You’re never going to @!$& them.”
Also apparently EN is the only people to exist in these people's heads because ID and JP collab with men but I don't see anyone complaining. Hololive fans hate Nijisanji even tho Hololive EN members have voiced multiple times how much they want to collab with Niji EN. Holo ID and Niji ID have colllabed multiple times
And the people saying saying the men joined the company to only flirt with girls is a stupid take because not only do the guys flirt with each other but also get your head out of your ass and overt your eyes to reality and realize your not in your own anime.
Mori's response to this was funny af, likely the only reason she backed down is probably holo themselves telling her "look, parasocials are like 80% of your income. if you burn that bridge, most of the normal people aren't gonna spend thousands in superchats or merch, so please just stop".
I'd probably say that the only thing any vtuber can do is remind everyone that they're an entertainer and nothing more. What I don't know is whether Mori actually makes more through Hololive, or through her other hustles. All I know is that most youtube entertainers continue what they're doing for just a few years and end up retiring completely afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Myth generation graduates within this year or the next few years. Some are already showing signs of complete burnout.
Probably due to the cringe that follows them along with the stigma and the fact that its nearly impossible to escape them at this point.
i miss the kroni and vesper collabs
lol yeah their allowed to collab with anyone they want but the viewers are allowed to stop viewing and donating to them if they dont want to bcuz of it. The woman know that thats why they dont talk about they're irl relationships or say it for proffesional reasons cuz they know most of theyre fans would leave and theyre source of income greatly diminishes really theyre no better than their viewers just manipulating these astronomically down bad guys and using them for money
I still just think Mori Calliope is just a meme lord
All this makes sense to me.
Srsly ppl upset cause they wifu is collabing with their male friends........n ppl wonder why most of us have given up on humanity
Viewers like it. Twitter folk and squeekers dont :I
(i am sory for the ling text)
its interesting to think that people like bae and ame recieved next to no backlash (or none that ive seen)for interacting with males. yet kiara had her fan specifically say no to collabs with males
i think it comes down to the audience and community the individual talents cultivate (on purpose or not) calli and kronii are kind of tomboyish, stand their ground, know what they want and isnt really afraid of confronting their community. they dont fit the "traditional idol" mold
and this isnt to insult the others but the talents like fauna kiara and ina, may have unintentionaly cultivated a more "traditional idol" community in their fanbase. which may breed more hostility against collabs with males. as these types of fans i think would gravitate more to talents that fit their "so pure girl uwu gives me so much comfort in life. so cute with x girl"
i think itd be beneficial for any future talents if they want to collab with the opposite gender, is to do it early on and just weed out the toxic simps. not having any collab with the opposite sex for a long period would definitely make the simps think "oh i have a chance with her"
TLDR: hololive talents whether on purpose or not cultivate the mentality of their community to an extent, and how they do it can weed out toxic fans or not
I agree that in the future, the talents should clarify whether or not they will do Opposite gender collabs, cause although there was some anger about Ame collabing on 4chan, hardly any "Unicorns" (the toxic simps in question) got angry with Bae because she had said on debut that she would collab with guys, so they did not set any expectations for them. It will also prevent the Unicorns from ever going berserk like they did against Kronii, who they had figured would mostly stick to girls only. I could go a bit more in-depth on how these fans came to be, but it might be a long story.
@@chasebladesword1211 i think its best they atleast say not to be surprised if they do collab with opposite sex. cause according to someone else in the comment section, kronii has previously said she had no plans to collab with males. which is allegedly why her "fans" were mad
so atleast whether they do collab with males or not, it wont be a surprise and most of the backlash will be mitigated
Ame did get some shit. People were cancelling memberships and unsubbing from her because "she lied to them" about collabing with Tempus.
@@NuclearWintr somehow i didnt see much of that. or it just wasnt as blown out of proportion as other instances
@@seya8282 it definitely wasn't, but she did get some flak.
I just do not understand the level of entitlement going on here. I get that the whole point of a lot of vtubers is to come off as your waifu, but these people aren’t even allowed to BREATHE near another man let alone be friends with one! You do not have control over who people collab with simply because you give them money or tweet at them, that’s not logical! Also, just because someone is in the same room as the opposite sex doesn’t mean they’re anything more than friends! And if they are it’s not your business! Nobody is entitled to a vtuber’s dating life because I’m sorry but you’re not their fucking boyfriend!
Some fans just need to touch grass man
Who's art does the kroni link me
So is no one gonna ask for that sauce of that Kronii image at the beginning of the video or am I gonna have to do it myself?
Ain't this obvious? It's to prevent relationship forming and making their waifu Vtuber remain pure so they could imagine being with her as their dream girlfriend with no strings attached.
They're probably haters of netorare doujins too, especially when the one who's fucking their virtual gf is a guy more fit and handsome than them.
No exactly a vtuber fan (I'm quite able to just enter and leave the rabbit hole just for relevant content) or streamers in general since I'm unable find entertainment in watching someone for hours. But i used to watch a lot of clips of Ironmouse, i have since long stopped watching any content related to her for 2 reasons.
The nux drama, and Connor collabs. The former leaving a bad taste on my mind for all vshojo in general, and the latter because i just hate the guy. Honest to god, i do NOT know the reason, either the way he talks or his stand in some topics, not really sure. I just hate the guy, i do believe he has a punchable face. I never bothered her, like a grain of dust on the side, i just stopped watching her, people need to be reminded that YOU CAN JUST LEAVE, specially now in this era, there is a lot of fish to choose from *quite literal in some cases.
Edit. Erased an essay, not worth the hassle, specially since my mind works more like a robot than an actual human.
On a probably unrelated note. Twitter should die, at this point that site is normie 4-chan. Which is a nutcase in on itself.
Are you Khyo long lost brother?
😂😂
Guilt by association is a thing though. If someone does a collab, or is a guest at a show, this is a passive endorsement.
It's not and your brain cells are lacking lmao
Meanwhile HoloID collab with every Male Vtuber they see and don't give a shit about the Taboo Part
this is a weird niche lol
As a guy who's been on kiwi farms, I feel like Calli is loved and hated for the same reasons.
She's essentially the anti Idol which deviates her a lot from her peers and that's the reasons many people really like her, but also causes more traditional fans to be put off.
However, I think she definitely represents the direction that the industry will move as more and more Western Talent join the community space.
There areany reason people dislike mori some very dumb but most of the reasons are, imo, valid. How she treated kiara like shit, always late/dellay to collabs and the one ive seen the most is how she used her holo persona to push her alter dying career. Not that i agreed with them its jusr what ive seen.
@@stolas2393 that was their character Dynamic though.
It's literally Bert and Ernie, but it got a little too weird for both of them so they stopped it halfway into their career.
Everything else just had to do with her being new to streaming and getting accustomed to everything that comes with it
@stolas Calli has said numerous times onstream that her prior music career was extremely successful in the months before HoloEN was even announced, let alone launched. It was making more money than her day job at the time. That's probably why Cover hired her on despite a relative lack of streaming experience compared to the other 4.
In other words, she didn't use Holo to help her indie career - she used that indie career to help get into Holo.
So no, that's not a valid reason and it's the complete opposite of what was actually happening.
@@TheCalvdog Her saying that music paid more than whatever waitress gigs she did on the side means nothing. Her numbers multiplied after holocontract and she really made sure people knew her roommates channel. Also, calli constantly lies and ditches holostreams to push her other channel, her attitude towards viewers and industry is almost toxic.
can...can i ask how kiwi farms are related to this XD. this isnt to insult, im just confused. or is it a fan name or something
Fuck i laughed how funny mori response on that fanart lmao
No, you don't understand. Men and women can't have platonic interactions or friendships with each other. There is always romantic or sexual subtext to everything that's said between people of different sexes.
I mean, no woman has ever talked to me so I'm just guessing, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
fans will get mad at everything lmao its so funny, this should not even be drama
I lovea lean
I don't like it when people are being are stupid like that😑. The moment they collab with someone you dislike you don't like them anymore SERIOUSLY😒
When people go out of their way to attack the ones they supposedly loved, do you know what that is.............BETRAYAL☹ just don't get involved with it if you don't like it😤
p.s 2:59 Whenever I see a mod of that RaG art I always say "Not this again😆😆"
Get to the point, this video is way too long winded.
Why is that the case? Because some creeps are parasocial delusional stalkers who lost and grip on reality a long time ago and should be put in an institution against their will and given both therapy and pharmaceutical aid in recovering.
This is just the cost of being in the business of making money off men's love for women. It's especially worse in men because men can love a woman for just being attractive and existing.
This doesn't happen with male streamers because men can't leverage their being a man to get popular. They have to be good at something to get popular, and when they can only build their popularity off being good at something, they'll only get an audience who has no feelings for them and only care about their work. The closest a man can get to being popular off their existence is by being an attractive male celebrity, and that's why they get creepy girl groupies.
"This doesn't happen with male streamers"
forgets what Vox and the other niji en boys had to deal with when it came to crazed fangirls.
And now we have advent gang holly crap their unicorn is fkin insane, imagine what will happen if they do Collab with any male lol😂😂😂😂😂
oh boy, I can imagine how huge of a meltdown would happen should any one of them collab with a dude.
I found it hilarious when I so that post and I couldn't understand why people where mad about it 🤣🤣
Post what?
I mean it's very obvious why people are upset. These are supposed to be idols, which I'm not even 100% sure that that means. It's a weird culture but it's the culture they signed up for. They didn't sign up to just be normal streamers. This was created for a very specific type of person, that person being lonely men. If they wanted to usual thing they could always watch hot tub streams on twitch. I think it's all predatory, but the drama is entertaining. It's also obvious why the non JP viewers don't really get it.
In the end, you can’t please everyone. It’s as simple as that
@@krabman2889 No its that simple. Just don't collab with the bois thats all. If you cant treat your fans like a king then dont collab with the mans
@@krabman2889 Just don't collab with males then. You can collab with girls from either same agency or different ones I don't care about that but leave males out of it. It ruins the purpose of idols
This schizo really reapplied to everyone lol
They are so small I don't even notice them
The Calli situation was so stupid at first, but the bigger problem was her just pouring gasoline nonstop on the fire, making her take L's after L's, at same point just take some time off to cooldown xD
Ya I tend to just watch the holomyth or holocounil collabs anything else usually fucks up the dynamic
Puritans and incels, two things the internet could stand to lose.