As Muslims, we don't take science as a proof of anything for the reliability of the Quran, but it's nice to see what coincidentally comes up in scientific theories which match with what the Quran mentions. I personally believe that every scientific discovery (if it is truly complete) will eventually align with what the Quran specifically says. Some verses are subject to human error when it comes to interpretation, sure. But this doesn't disprove anything that's objective as it is a human error. But we are encouraged to seek knowledge and learn. But if you could use examples of what you believe the bible does "more correctly" than the Quran, as a Christian of course, I think it would add some more depth to your videos and displays integrity to your name also. Correct me if you think I'm wrong somewhere. Have a nice day!
@@theblossomspirit9680 Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It sounds like you agree these scientific arguments should not be looked at as a basis for the Quran being a miracle. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I think tests such as prophesy (and other tests explicitly given in the Quran and Bible) should hold more weight. In terms of comparing the Quran to the Bible, on a topic like this it's just not necessary because a "scientific miracles for the validity of the Bible" doesn't work either. Also, I actually think that would be counter-productive for a genuine pursuit of truth. If a criticism to the Quran makes a Muslim go "oh yeah well what about the Bible", this is fallacious. I'm asking the Quran to stand on its own two feet. Either there's good evidence it is a miracle or there's not. And I feel that some (not all) Muslims are trying to change the subject because they realize the arguments for the Quran aren't very strong. Constantly jumping to the Bible would be a red herring. Let me know your thoughts. Have a nice day as well!
@@daxvanderwal With all due respect it's not very fair to say that I deflected the point of the topic back to the bible. I did address it at the very beginning from the best of what I know. Though I have to disagree with it being counter-productive to look at both sources. I choose to be a Muslim for a reason. And you choose to be Christian also. If you believe the bible to be true, you should be able to display why it is the truth over the "flaws" the Quran has. It's not very genuine to point out what makes you doubtful of one but not the other, is the point I'm trying to make. God knows best of course and the real truth doesn't take sides. Let's remember we're not supporting football teams here haha. Also nice, did you get a new camera? I didn't see it stop at one frame this time 😆
@@theblossomspirit9680 I didn’t accuse you of anything. I said “some (not all” Muslims deflect to the Bible, I’m just making a general statement. And I think this proves my point. You’re bringing something up that isn’t relevant to the Quran being a miracle or not. If that makes you think I’m not genuine then you are entitled to your opinion. I actually think the opposite is true.
@@daxvanderwal it is still impressive because the Quran still said things that people at that time did not know. I will give you an example We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺ 51:47 it is true that this verse can have multiple meanings but the point is that the Quran still claims something that is not opposes with the modern science. 1400 years ago people knew nothing about the expansion of the universe. so you can still say how did the prophet know muhammed that this meaning is also 100% true? And you can also use this argument with all other scientific verses
In the Quran, there are prophecies and references to events that occurred after it was revealed, such as the defeat of the Roman Empire by the Persians. These events were not known at the time, and this has led many to believe that it is a sign of divine knowledge. And also the Quran invites people to produce a chapter like it, but no one has been able to do so. This challenge is seen as proof of its divine origin, as it is unlike anything humans could produce.
I just made a video about the Roman prophecy and the next video I make will be about the "producing a chapter like it". Do you agree then that the "scientific miracles" argument isn't a test the Quran gives.
@@daxvanderwal if you asked chatgpt to produce a chapter like quran. It will tell you, “I cannot,” because the Qur’an is miraculous in its meanings, eloquence, and it is impossible to generate words like it. Try it for yourself. Isn’t it artificial intelligence?
@@mrprince5993 I literally just asked chatgpt and it instantly created a surah similar the Quran. If I was you I would stop depending on AI, it's incredibly inconsistent and all over the place. My next vid is actually about the "inimitability of the Quran", I invite you to watch it.
@@daxvanderwalyou can only replicate the challenge in Arabic you can’t compare a Greek poet to an English poet for a example of that because the different structure in the languages the literacy miracle of the Quran is that it created new and different formulas to write Arabic which wasn’t used before but AI can not make something that is truly unique because it is artificial
"the scientific miracles of the Quran have been debunked" Ali dawah said so... and why? according to muhamad he claimed that the sun sets in a murky pool of water, well the sun doesn't set anywhere it just looks like it does, the sun isn't moving thru space everything revolves around the sun..
Also The atomic number of the element iron is 26 and its mass number is 57. The order of Surah Iron in the Qur’an is 57 in the same surah the verse in which the name of iron is mentioned is verse 25 with the Basmalah is 26 . Finally this fact about atomic iron unable to change forever
Yes .. in my research some scientific miracle fact in quran has really clear, but a couple scientific quran like embriologi not clear due the arabic languange richness, like ithe word islam itself has a number of meaning like submit or peace or salvation, in my tesearch, quranic scientific fact thats have not clear is only in genekologi
Even if you say many things Muhammad hijab your prophet Is not superior and his dead but jesus is still alive right now ,only jesus say i will judge the living and the dead,can Muhammad say what jesus said i think not because jesus is more superior than Muhammad REALTALK.....
Lol First of all he is just a prophet and every being shall taste death even if he is jesus as. And muhammad pbuh said common things which all prophets said before him.
Which miracle in the Quran has been debunked? If you are debunking the scientific miracles in the Quran then you are debunking science. Becuase the scientific miracles in the Quran is compatible with modern scientific facts.
I think it depends on the scientific evidence. I.e. The embryo debate is very different that 1+1 =2 in sides (the interpretation of the vers and science) So, the topic of the embryo latest scientific evidence can change so it's not a fact. On the other side, the Quranic vers about embryo is written in Arabic and (God knows) it may or may not interpreted correctly by Muslim scholars. So bottom line is, Quran is divine revelation. therfore, muslims and science yet to be perfectly matching Quran miracle, which is not possible because both are not perfect and changing. I hope that makes sense.
I think I'm following. Are you saying because you believe the Quran is divine revelation then you assume science will end up being in alignment with the Quran?
@daxvanderwal let's not forget human interpreted both, and that very likely lead to discrepancy because of the limited nature of a human mind. From the science side, it's evolving and changing, so unless we stop doing research, it'll keep doing so. In brief, Quran is divine but human interpretation of it is not. Science is still vague and the human interpretation makes it not a fact.
@@Sodoxo I agree human interpretation always exists when we're looking at revelation and science. But this seems especially true with the Quran. Mohommad Hijab argued that you can justify multiple interpretations using the Salaf... but to me this just sounds like the Quran is not a very clear book. Moreover, as you seem to agree, this makes the scientific miracles argument somewhat weak.
The purpose of the verse is to recognize a cosmic phenomenon such as the rotation of the planets in their orbits and the phenomenon of the seas not mixing and the phenomenon of mountains extending in the earth like a peg because God urged people to contemplate His kingdom. God knew from eternity that the truth of these phenomena would be discovered in the future and to be a miracle for those who are contemporary with the truth of the Quran that it is a miracle from Allah because he said in another place in the Quran ( It is but a reminder to the worlds And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time. )but the opinion of Sheikh Ali Dawood and Muhammad Hijab is just a point of view like your point of view but there is no text that justifies their statement but what is meant by their statement is that it is a book of guidance in the first place and that does not prevent it from having miracles because Allah said in another place ( We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth or is it not sufficient for your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness ) in other verse ( Certainly, We have brought to them a Book (the Quran) which We have explained in detail with knowledge, - a guidance and a mercy to a people who believe Do they await except its result? The Day its result comes those who had ignored it before will say, "The messengers of our Lord had come with the truth, so are there [now] any intercessors to intercede for us or could we be sent back to do other than we used to do?" They will have lost themselves, and lost from them is what they used to invent )
Isaiah 29:12 "Then the book will be given to the one who is not learned, saying, 'Read this.' And he will say, 'I cannot read.'" Dax, it's good to see that you are healthy and well. As you may know, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was illiterate-a fact that is prophesied in your own scripture, as plain as day. The claims in the Quran (given to him, with the command to "Read" or Iqra(first word revealed), and his response, "I cannot read," as foretold) contain remarkable facts, some of which we have only confirmed as true in recent centuries. This raises an important question: where did he get this knowledge that was unavailable in his time? Shifting the discussion to whether these are "scientific facts" or simply "amazing truths" can sometimes trivialize the larger point. I agree with Ali Dawah that science, while invaluable, is not always the right instrument for evaluating the Quran. This isn't a dismissal of science; rather, it’s an acknowledgment that its tools are not suited for certain kinds of exploration. I dont see how this is absurd. If your goal is to challenge the Quran, the only effective way is by learning Arabic. Despite popular belief, Arabic is not as difficult as it’s often made out to be. Engaging with the Quran through translations alone will never allow you to fully appreciate its depth, much less form a solid critique. For instance, consider Surah 21:33: "Each one is traveling in an orbit" (Kulun fi falakin). The original Arabic conveys not only the idea of traveling in an orbit but also "swimming around" in their paths. This is reflected in the palindromic symmetry (k-l-f-y-f-l-k), the phonetic pattern, and the vivid imagery-all hallmarks of Quranic eloquence. Such nuances are often lost in translation. Imagine the impact you could have if you disproved the Quran in Arabic-how many people you might bring to Christ through such a feat! Reducing complex theological and linguistic discussions to oversimplified critiques only undermines the depth of the conversation. Trust me I get it, spending years, reading many books, and investing money to earn degrees naturally leads one to value and defend them-but it’s entirely possible that the truth lies elsewhere.
Moafro! Good to hear from you friend. I appreciate your insights as always. I pray life is well for you. I have to pushback against Isaiah 29 being "plain as day" talking about Muhammad. In context, Isaiah 29:12 is talking about the nation of Israel. If you read the verses leading up to it the nation of Israel is being called rebellious. Because of this, they will not understand the book. What is the book? Is it the Quran? No, verse 11 literally says the book is the vision given to Isaiah. The point being that since Israel has been rebellious, they are now blind and will not understand the revelation given to them through the prophet Isaiah (regardless of if one is literate or not). This is not debatable, just read the passage. I have no problem if you don't think science is the right tool to judge revelation by. I just think, at the end of the day, if we are to evaluate the Quran we have to appeal to something outside the Quran (science, history, etc.). Unless we try to use the Quran to validate the Quran, but this would be circular reasoning... so we do need to rely on these methods to some extent. I guess the rhetoric of Ali Dawah is what I disagree with, it sounded like he criticized science a little to harshly. At one point he says "to hell with science" lol but I don't think either of us would agree with that. I appreciate you trying to help me become the best Christian apologist I can be lol I would be open to studying Arabic one day. Recently I've been playing around with the idea of getting a masters in Islamic Studies (I'm currently doing one in Christian Theology). In the meantime I will need to rely on individuals like you that can help me out ;) I will say though, I'm not sure why God would make this so limited. Why would he hide the divine proof of the Quran in classical Arabic? If this is a revelation for the whole world, why not make the message/miracle accessible to everyone in the world?
Bro, I’m happy to hear you are well. I pray and beg the Most High to guide us all to His straight path and, in the Hereafter, welcome us to "a seat of honor in the presence of The Sovereign, Perfect in Ability" (Surah Al-Qamar, 54:55). With all that training, you are obliged to be consistent. If you reject Isiah 29-12 being about Prophet Mohamed pbuh, using the same criteria you have to reject Isiah "a virgin(Alma means young womehn) will conceive a child is about Jesus Pbuh. Read Isiah 7 1-17, from beginning to end, no way Jose its talking about Jesus Pbuh. As for why the Quran was revealed in classical Arabic: is the issue about why it was revealed to Arabs rather than others, like the English? If so, consider that revelation has always aligned with the language and context of its initial audience, following the pattern of Abrahamic Semitic languages, with Arabic being the last. An English Quran would have required many volumes. Aramaic the language of Jesus is an endangered language, having your original faith text in a translation in second language, this is not a problem that Muslims have. Revelation should be independent of language, a true seeker of God will look every where to find him. Arabic is a living language today 5th most spoken globally, it's eloquence allows deep meaning in fewer words; and the truth is, English is not the tool for revelation. For example, in Arabic, the word “is” (used to define existence) isn’t applied to Allah, as it implies dependency. Allah, being As-Samad (self-sufficient), transcends such limitations. This highlights a core difference between Islam and Christianity: the former sees God as infinite and beyond human constructs, while the latter assigns finite human terminology to an ever living infinite being. preserved, fitting language, living language text is what we have. I advise you to learn Arabic first, then pursue a master’s degree from an Islamic institution, rather than secular approaches, you will gain more understanding from apologetic s like myself without the unnecessary expenses
In that regard, I think we should look at what god tries to point out with "scientific" stuff . The language might be extremely descriptive and precise, but the aim is to convince ,to demonstrate , to make you think , to make you make science not the other way around .contemplating Quran makes science . It is not a book of science ,it's an initiator to it .
OK if we use logic here Ali is wrong in some part, if the quran says, for example: Surah Al-Alaq (96:1-5): "Read in the name of your Lord who created. Created man from a clot of blood. Read, and your Lord is the most Generous-Who taught by the pen-Taught man that which he knew not." often interpreted in light of modern embryology, where the term "clot of blood" is seen as a description of the early stages of human development. Seems like Ali is saying EVEN tho we see these facts that Quran has mentioned that we just found out with 21st equipment, we shouldn't act like it is mind blowing..... kinda ignore it!!! push it to the side!! dont use it in argument to say Quran has mircles in it.. he is exaggerating!! his point i think is to say Quran is not a book of science, dont use it as science book... but he could say it better!! but saying scientfic things in the quran is DEBUNKED is attention seeking behavior like for clicks.
I saw a lot of Muslims in his comment section saying something like this. It seems people aren't happy that he said "debunked". This is why I included the comments of Hijab and Tzorzis because they are more scholarly. They articulated what Ali was trying to say in a more comprehensive way. All in all, though, it seems they would all agree the typical scientific miracles argument used by people like Uthman is exaggerated.
The thing is that there is no 'one' proof of islam,as quran uses word signs (plural) But the proofs that you,as a Christian should asks for are, first,the future predictions,as it mentioned as sign of a true prophet in det 18:19. Second,the positive change that the prophet bought to his society,as mathew 7 says,that you will recognise flase and true prophets from ther fruit. That is how prophet Muhammad ﷺ made arabs into a great nation as prophecised in genesis 17, 20
Hey! I agree with you, it seems more like a cumulative case of signs rather than one definite proof. I respect prophecy a great deal as there are many prophecies in the Bible. However, I have been surprised to see the lack of prophecies in the Quran. Also Deut 18 is most definitely not about Muhammad. It's talking about a fellow Israelite, the context makes that clear. I have a video on that passage. You should check it out and let me know your thoughts. Then Gen 17 literally says the covenant is with Isaac, not Ishmael. The Old Testament prophets focus on the lineage of Isaac. And his descendants were made into a great nation - Israel.
@@daxvanderwal if we see,the God's promise to Abraham that his descendants will be given land form Nile to Euphrates was fullfill through ishmeal in 640's ad,under rashdidun Caliphate and not through Isaac. And we can actually get the date 640's from danial 7, which says that the 4th kingdom (which is always considered to be rome) will have a king that will defeat three others and will speak against God And will change the divine law.time+times+half time after him the kingdom of heaven will be established that will defeat the 4th kingdom and will liberate the Jerusalem. Now,we know that the description of that king completely fits emperor Constantine,who defeated 3 other emperors to came to power, declared beliefs like 'trinity' and 'god died for our sins' in council of nisaea, which accoding to Jewish understand is speaking against God,and he changed the holy day to Sunday (changing law). And as traditional scholers understood time+times+half time means 350 luner years (339 solar years) So adding it to 306 ad (when Constantine became emperor) we get,that kingdom of heaven will come in 640's
@@Phyzl000 None of what you just said is in the prophets. As a Christian, I go to the actual prophets to tell me what to believe. They tell us the nation of Israel is the chosen people whom God chose to have a covenant relationship with. Not Ishmael.
Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips.1 surat 75 verse 4 For me, this is clear sign that the Quran is from God.
@@daxvanderwalJudgment Day 40:1-4 1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips. God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
@@daxvanderwal Judgment Day 40:1-4 1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips. God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
@@daxvanderwal Judgment Day 40:1-4 1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips. God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
@@daxvanderwal Judgment Day 40:1-4 1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips. God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
The Quran is not preserved, because on Third Chaliphate ruled by Uthman. He order to burned the original copy and changed some verses. That's why the Quran has terrible words, where singular and plural didn't match. The Muslims is still insisted of there Quran was preserved. Even the historical evidence was take place and many eyewitness was there. Also the Hadiths is the most Controversial of all. Because Mohammed married a kid named Aisha. A nine year old girl, which God forbids in the scriptures. Also Quran mentioned to confirm the scriptures, they need to go and ask the people who has the Injeel and Torah (Christian and Jews) scriptures. Because the Jesus on the Quran has no details about it. Only Mohammed's sins, slavery, and bloody conquest.
2:41 First thing first it's "Informations" not "Information" 2nd thing it's not as simple as that "therefore, the Quran must be from God" Either you're not researched enough, or else Qur'an already claimed it's from God, and we're not convinced just because scientifical stuff inside even though it could be one aspect. And if you want to use that standard, then implement it on bible. It become a commedy book for scientist nowadays.
My point is that the "scientific miracles" shouldn't even be "an aspect" of why one would accept the Quran. This argument is illogical. Honest question though, why do you accept the Quran as a miracle? I'm struggling to see any strong evidence.
@daxvanderwal I agree to a certain point of that argument, That's why scientific miracle in Quran is not our main priority, it's just supporting our believe since we're leave in this world and in this world we ordered to worship, sustain, and takes care, by using our reason & heart. Qur'an is not a scientific book, so no one should expect a detailed explanation of quantum physics there, but with our progress of science many of quranic scientific claims are proven true not like many other books, and that's what the miraculous part. Until you discover how the preservation of the quranic text, then you can start proving our text is wrong. Otherwise since we believe a God that having a perfect knowledge and would never lie, the conclusion is the science that we have right now isn't reach there yet. And by the way it is a fact that "Translation between English and Arabic is not always straightforward. Arabic has over 12 million distinct words. To put this into context, the Oxford English Dictionary includes just over 170,000 words. As one example, Arabic has 23 words for love." So what Adnan Rashid did is not just try to fit in the context out of his desire when he mention there is a different of understanding to that verse. What we're dealing is an exegesis of a scholar in that time who try to explain with their own limited knowledge of science at that time so when you open a book of tafsir and especially about a verse who mention some scientific claims there would be many way of explanation stated there. InshaAllah when you talk to brother muhammad ali from muslim lantern (if it's happen, since I'm looking forward to it 😊) you can ask many fundamental things that you still curious directly from a knowledgeable person.
@@MrHamjul Thanks for the expanding on your thoughts! I have studied the preservation of the Quran. I definitely don't think it is "perfectly preserved" in the way some try to argue, but I do think it's generally well preserved. I can also agree with the idea that as science progresses, it should conform to divine revelation. This is something I believe to be true about the Bible as well.
Can you please make reaction+"my thoughts on" video on movie "the message 1976", it's Even available on RUclips. Islamic traditions, does't allow depiction, but this is one of the few exceptions, You can upload the video in parts.
You are wrong because these facts which shiekh othman talk about sun and moon spinning in its orbits are basic and unable to change and also water boundary and there are more signs of quran but you make them false on purpose
My point is that Sheikh Othman is adopting an interpretation that aligns with modern science, but he doesn't even know if that was the intended meaning of the verses. This is why other apologists like Ali Dawah, Mohommad Hijab, Hamza Tzorzis say the "scientific miracles argument" does not work. I have other videos about prophecies in the Quran and I'm going to talk about the "literary miracle" argument next.
😂😂 is the holy bible miracle is there evidence about bible and why jews reject christ 😂😂 so come on bro Ur defending Gods which are helpless , discussion and frictional story 😂😂
Your argument is flawed since Uthmans Claims were valid and also about Embroyology however Adnan couldnt present it better. 1- Quran states all of them swim in heaven (this includes earth also) 2- Mountains are indeed like pegs 3- Salt Warm water effect was unknown to Arab and Asians 4- Bone Cartilage structure is formed before Muscles, and once muscles forms, cartilage converts into bones through ossification. Instead of addressing the Quranic claims you skipped them using science argument.
You said my argument is flawed but didn't provide any reasons. I didn't respond directly to his claims because the whole methodology is flawed... the whole "scientific miracles" argument is simply false. Where does the Quran claim to have scientific miracles? Where does the Quran claim people converted due to scientific miracles? Can you prove with 100% certainty what the intended meaning of these verses are, or like Hijab said can you justify multiple interpretations using the early Salaf? If you can't conclude the right interpretation beyond a shadow of a doubt how could anyone say these verses are specific and miraculous?
This is actually an interesting example. Based on Hijab's comments, you can use the Salaf and early Muslim sources and see that some of them take this literally. So, it can be argued that these verses that some wish to be metaphor are actually literal.
@@linux140 But to Hijab's point, what if there are early authoritative Muslim sources that interpret this as the sun literally setting in mud? This means a literal interpretation should be as likely as any other.
@@daxvanderwal Salaf take everything literally which is absolutely wrong in the context of quran and hadiths but by the linguistic perspective of arabic this is once again a correct verse about zulqarnain .
@@daxvanderwal if there were muslims interpreting this as sun setting in mud they would have misunderstood the verse because language of quran is in peotic style and there are figure of speech like hyperboly which early muslim may have find difficult to understand.
You are absolutely right, my guy. The Quran asks Muslims to be knowledgeable. Some of these science facts will NOT change. Next point. Also right. It is also nearly impossible to comprehend the scientific meaning behind the Quran.
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@@daxvanderwalIt seems like you either didn’t understand or are ignoring their different topics, and you’re making it seem like they are 'controversial' because of what they are discussing Ali Dawa and Sheikh Othman. then act like one. Clifford says not to believe without evidence
Scientists and philosophers do not want any book to share their information with them, for this reason they sit day and night to find any error in the Quran. I believe that the Quran is religious and not scientific, but anything mentioned in it, neither you nor the researchers nor the philosophers can deny it from now until the Day of Judgment.
I'm simply asking what evidence is there that the Quran is a miracle. If I'm going to be judged for not accepting it I would expect there to be some compelling evidence for it being a miracle.
Every Surah in the Quran is a miracle. Brother, do not try to invalidate or deny the Quran, or you will end up crazy. They came before you to invalidate it, but they failed in their attempt. Another proof is that the Quran is the only religious book that challenges scientists, and there is no other religious book capable of doing that. Another proof is you, because you are trying in the name of the Quran and not another book.
@@MahMoud-zj6bd Saying every surah is a miracle does not demonstrate that every surah is a miracle. How do you know every surah is a miracle? The Quran challenges scientists? What? Scientists don't care about the Quran. Even if that were true, how does challenging scientists prove it is a miracle? None of this establishes anything.
Since you study the Quran and Islam, you must know them or have heard of them. If you have not heard of or known those scholars, this means that you have not read any Surah in the Quran. You are just trying to deny it on social media, and pretending to be a philosopher or a researcher, while you are looking for negatives, not positives. A researcher is not biased, so even if you find a truth, you will naturally try to invalidate it in any way possible.
What are u saying peace of sheet , look what is going out of ur mouth , indeed u who are too deluded to study about ur self while following blindly christianity or any religion except islam u whose without of knowledge arguing or joking , indeed when death approaches any of u then u will reflect and start to thing what u have done and earned but its late hellfire is destination of every deluded(by this worldly life) and deniers.
@daxvanderwal Validate of the Quran via ChatGPT is not silly .You say this because it was unable to come up with something like the Quran, and you did not complete the rest of the screenshot and hide it because chatgpt told you that it is impossible to come up with something like the Quran because it is miraculous in its statement, meanings, and unique style. Artificial intelligence can come up with something like any poem, any speech, or any style except the miraculous style of the Quran, and this is a testimony from chatgpt. Artificial intelligence also said that it is not based on a religious significance . And you still say collecting verses from the Quran and pasting them next to each other is a a chapter like the Quran. This is not a challenge because anyone can do this. Rather, the intended challenge is to come up with words that make the recipient realize that it is the Quran as it came from revelation and not an imitation of verses that were said before. Thank you for agreeing with me that chatgpt failed to bring a chapter like Qur'an
The problem is not with the Quran. The problem is with the reader of the Quran. There are definitely scientific knowledge within the Quran. It is considered miraculous because it was revealed during the time when the knowledge was not yet known, or the prophet Muhammad pbuh would not have known himself. But the problem currently is that the people who tries to use the scientific knowledge within the Quran today are not fully knowledgeable on the specific science of it. It the same as during the time of Muhammad pbuh. When these scientific knowledge was revealed to him, he himself and the people in that time couldn't and wouldn't understand it. But as we gain more and more knowledge, the meaning of these verses within the Quran slowly revealed it's meaning. A good example for this in the Quran that you did not cover in this video is, Quran chapter 16 An Nahl verse 68 and 69. وَأَوْحَىٰ رَبُّكَ إِلَى ٱلنَّحْلِ أَنِ ٱتَّخِذِى مِنَ ٱلْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًۭا وَمِنَ ٱلشَّجَرِ وَمِمَّا يَعْرِشُونَ And your Lord inspired the bees: “Make ˹your˺ homes in the mountains, the trees, and in what people construct, verse 68 ثُمَّ كُلِى مِن كُلِّ ٱلثَّمَرَٰتِ فَٱسْلُكِى سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلًۭا ۚ يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌۭ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَٰنُهُۥ فِيهِ شِفَآءٌۭ لِّلنَّاسِ ۗ إِنَّ فِى ذَٰلِكَ لَـَٔايَةًۭ لِّقَوْمٍۢ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ and feed from ˹the flower of˺ any fruit ˹you please˺ and follow the ways your Lord has made easy for you.” From their bellies comes forth liquid of varying colours, in which there is healing for people. Surely in this is a sign for those who reflect. verse 69 There are scientific knowledge within this verses. Specifically the biology of the bees. In these verse, it is pointed out that the bees that goes out foraging are female bees. Also if you noticed that when the Quran talks about the belly of the bee, it is said as "bellies". Which is actually biologically true. That the female bee have 2 stomachs, one for it to feed and one to store honey. During the time of Muhammad pbuh, these very specific knowledge was not know YET. Some even gave the argument that the chapter "The Bee" is the 16th chapter in the Quran. The male bee has 16 haploid chromosomes and female bees have 16 pairs of diploid chromosomes in their DNA. This is the title of a video that explained this verse is much more detailed and easy to understand. Go take a look at it. This scientist was shock3d to see how the Quran scientifically describes the life of bees From the channel We Talk Islam
Thank you for giving a video reference, I will check it out! Do you think it is a problem that the Quran does not claim to possess scientific miracles? It gives specific tests but it never says this is one of them. None of the early converts converted (or reverted as Muslims would put it) because of something like this. Do you think that is significant?
Dax Van, I can't give more than I have from my friends before me, but we want you to read the Quran without bias. Read this prophecy from, the Messenger Mohammed (PBUH) said on Sunan Ibn Majah 63 { The hour will not come until} You will see barefoot Arab shepherds competing in construction buildings. I note that you changed the verse about the Earth and the Son, it's wrong the Son will move around the world and another planet in the solar system, please read the book of Seven Hopking that proves what the Quran mentions. )Have you not looked at him who disputed with Ibrahim (Abraham) about his Lord (Allah), because Allah had given him the kingdom? When Ibrahim (Abraham) said (to him): "My Lord (Allah) is He Who gives life and causes death." He said, "I give life and cause death." Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "Verily! Allah causes the sun to rise from the east; then cause it you to rise from the west." So the disbeliever was utterly defeated. And Allah guides not the people, who are Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.). Al l-Baqarah -283
It is impossible to read/study/watch anything without bias. The best we can do is give each other the benefit of the doubt and focus on each other's arguments. If you want to respond directly to one of my arguments that would be the most helpful. I understand there are prophecies documented in the Hadith literature, but my focus is on the Quran. Muslims say the Quran is the ultimate miracle so I would expect it to have miraculous prophecies. It is a little suspicious to me if all the amazing prophecies are found in literature written a couple hundred years later. I also need to spend time studying the trustworthiness of the Hadiths. How do we know they aren't just legends? If you know of any resources on this let me know.
@@daxvanderwal So you say that the Quran is a kind of literature, which means you don't read the Quran, and we know the skeptics to spread on RUclips. Please read without bias, Insha Allah you will find the truth.
@@daxvanderwal Do you mean created by Mohammed (PBUH)?. Please see this video "The Qur'an: A Very Serious Book for Those Who Have Knowledge - There Is No Clash"
@@AbuSaleh001 I think it was created by Mohammed, yes. But either way it is a type of literature. Let me take a step back... where does the Quran say it has scientific miracles? And where does it say this should be used as a test for the Quran?
you are mixing everyting, in the quran there are explicit and ambiguous verses. There isn't infinite amount of correct interpretetions! and the fact that not even one verse doesn't have a correct interpretation that excludes it from beign a contradiction isn't something a man 1400 years ago who couldn't read or write, wasn't educated could have done, look at the bible for exemple. The fact that there ALWAYS is a Correct interpretation of those "scientifique miracles" Wich i see more as miracle because it contains information that couldn't have been know if not from Allah. Is already something unbelievable! i repeat, you are displaying it as if the arabic language can have infinite correct interpretation wich is totally false. Not only that! These never where the only argument to proof islam's vericity! The quran is a miracle, not only because of the information it contains which couldn't have been known, but also linguisticly look for exemple at inimitability challenge! or because of its prophecy (there are prophecy in quran and in authentic hadith!), look also at the structure of the quran, the "Mathematical miracle" of quran, for exemple the number 19 in quran and we can continue again and again for quran. Just the life of the Prophet Muhammed is a proof of the veracity of islam.
I am presenting what Mohommad Hijab and Hamza Tzorzis presented. If you disagree with me you're disagreeing with them. In their own words, the Arabic could be interpreted so many ways that no one has the right on insisting on a single specific interpretation that aligns with modern science. Without a doubt this undercuts the entire scientific miracles argument. If you want to change the argument to "the Quran can be interpreted a number of ways that can make sense to all people at all times" you can do that, but that is a VERY different argument. Personally, I don't find that impressive. That just means the Quran is ridiculously confusing and no one really knows what it's trying to say (unless you are a complete expert... which means Allah didn't make it accessible to the common man for some reason).
What do you think about the "scientific miracles" argument for the Quran?
As Muslims, we don't take science as a proof of anything for the reliability of the Quran, but it's nice to see what coincidentally comes up in scientific theories which match with what the Quran mentions. I personally believe that every scientific discovery (if it is truly complete) will eventually align with what the Quran specifically says. Some verses are subject to human error when it comes to interpretation, sure. But this doesn't disprove anything that's objective as it is a human error. But we are encouraged to seek knowledge and learn.
But if you could use examples of what you believe the bible does "more correctly" than the Quran, as a Christian of course, I think it would add some more depth to your videos and displays integrity to your name also. Correct me if you think I'm wrong somewhere. Have a nice day!
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
It sounds like you agree these scientific arguments should not be looked at as a basis for the Quran being a miracle. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I think tests such as prophesy (and other tests explicitly given in the Quran and Bible) should hold more weight.
In terms of comparing the Quran to the Bible, on a topic like this it's just not necessary because a "scientific miracles for the validity of the Bible" doesn't work either. Also, I actually think that would be counter-productive for a genuine pursuit of truth. If a criticism to the Quran makes a Muslim go "oh yeah well what about the Bible", this is fallacious. I'm asking the Quran to stand on its own two feet. Either there's good evidence it is a miracle or there's not. And I feel that some (not all) Muslims are trying to change the subject because they realize the arguments for the Quran aren't very strong. Constantly jumping to the Bible would be a red herring. Let me know your thoughts.
Have a nice day as well!
@@daxvanderwal With all due respect it's not very fair to say that I deflected the point of the topic back to the bible. I did address it at the very beginning from the best of what I know.
Though I have to disagree with it being counter-productive to look at both sources. I choose to be a Muslim for a reason. And you choose to be Christian also. If you believe the bible to be true, you should be able to display why it is the truth over the "flaws" the Quran has. It's not very genuine to point out what makes you doubtful of one but not the other, is the point I'm trying to make.
God knows best of course and the real truth doesn't take sides. Let's remember we're not supporting football teams here haha.
Also nice, did you get a new camera? I didn't see it stop at one frame this time
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@@theblossomspirit9680 I didn’t accuse you of anything. I said “some (not all” Muslims deflect to the Bible, I’m just making a general statement.
And I think this proves my point. You’re bringing something up that isn’t relevant to the Quran being a miracle or not. If that makes you think I’m not genuine then you are entitled to your opinion. I actually think the opposite is true.
@@daxvanderwal it is still impressive because the Quran still said things that people at that time did not know. I will give you an example We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺ 51:47 it is true that this verse can have multiple meanings but the point is that the Quran still claims something that is not opposes with the
modern science. 1400 years ago people knew nothing about the expansion of the universe. so you can still say how did the prophet know
muhammed that this meaning is also 100% true? And you can also use this argument with all other scientific verses
In the Quran, there are prophecies and references to events that occurred after it was revealed, such as the defeat of the Roman Empire by the Persians. These events were not known at the time, and this has led many to believe that it is a sign of divine knowledge. And also the Quran invites people to produce a chapter like it, but no one has been able to do so. This challenge is seen as proof of its divine origin, as it is unlike anything humans could produce.
I just made a video about the Roman prophecy and the next video I make will be about the "producing a chapter like it".
Do you agree then that the "scientific miracles" argument isn't a test the Quran gives.
@@daxvanderwal if you asked chatgpt to produce a chapter like quran. It will tell you, “I cannot,” because the Qur’an is miraculous in its meanings, eloquence, and it is impossible to generate words like it. Try it for yourself. Isn’t it artificial intelligence?
@@mrprince5993 I literally just asked chatgpt and it instantly created a surah similar the Quran. If I was you I would stop depending on AI, it's incredibly inconsistent and all over the place.
My next vid is actually about the "inimitability of the Quran", I invite you to watch it.
@@daxvanderwalyou can only replicate the challenge in Arabic you can’t compare a Greek poet to an English poet for a example of that because the different structure in the languages the literacy miracle of the Quran is that it created new and different formulas to write Arabic which wasn’t used before but AI can not make something that is truly unique because it is artificial
"the scientific miracles of the Quran have been debunked" Ali dawah said so... and why? according to muhamad he claimed that the sun sets in a murky pool of water, well the sun doesn't set anywhere it just looks like it does, the sun isn't moving thru space everything revolves around the sun..
Also The atomic number of the element iron is 26 and its mass number is 57. The order of Surah Iron in the Qur’an is 57 in the same surah the verse in which the name of iron is mentioned is verse 25 with the Basmalah is 26 . Finally this fact about atomic iron unable to change forever
Yes .. in my research some scientific miracle fact in quran has really clear, but a couple scientific quran like embriologi not clear due the arabic languange richness, like ithe word islam itself has a number of meaning like submit or peace or salvation, in my tesearch, quranic scientific fact thats have not clear is only in genekologi
Thank you for being honest! I appreciate that you have done research. What in your opinion is the clearest scientific miracle in the Quran?
Even if you say many things Muhammad hijab your prophet
Is not superior and his dead but jesus is still alive right now ,only jesus say i will judge the living and the dead,can Muhammad say what jesus said i think not because jesus is more superior than Muhammad REALTALK.....
Lol First of all he is just a prophet and every being shall taste death even if he is jesus as. And muhammad pbuh said common things which all prophets said before him.
I would love to see ur face when Hazrat Isa (A.S) comes on that day
@@Momoandzeeslife Lol they would have turned zionist or athiest at that time.
Miracles get debunked then they will come with new miracle then again get debunked.
Just like monkey eating sun 😂😂
Which miracle in the Quran has been debunked? If you are debunking the scientific miracles in the Quran then you are debunking science. Becuase the scientific miracles in the Quran is compatible with modern scientific facts.
Get some knowledge of the Quran first then come to speak. Dont talk about something u dont know about
@BillyJones-ju8zv Sperm comes from a place between rib cages and vertebral columns.
@BillyJones-ju8zv Noon splitting into 2
Are you dutch??
I've never lived in a Dutch land but my ancestors are yes! Good guess, most people think Van Der Wal is german.
I think it depends on the scientific evidence.
I.e. The embryo debate is very different that 1+1 =2 in sides (the interpretation of the vers and science)
So, the topic of the embryo latest scientific evidence can change so it's not a fact.
On the other side, the Quranic vers about embryo is written in Arabic and (God knows) it may or may not interpreted correctly by Muslim scholars.
So bottom line is, Quran is divine revelation. therfore, muslims and science yet to be perfectly matching Quran miracle, which is not possible because both are not perfect and changing.
I hope that makes sense.
I think I'm following. Are you saying because you believe the Quran is divine revelation then you assume science will end up being in alignment with the Quran?
@daxvanderwal let's not forget human interpreted both, and that very likely lead to discrepancy because of the limited nature of a human mind.
From the science side, it's evolving and changing, so unless we stop doing research, it'll keep doing so.
In brief, Quran is divine but human interpretation of it is not.
Science is still vague and the human interpretation makes it not a fact.
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@@Sodoxo I agree human interpretation always exists when we're looking at revelation and science. But this seems especially true with the Quran. Mohommad Hijab argued that you can justify multiple interpretations using the Salaf... but to me this just sounds like the Quran is not a very clear book. Moreover, as you seem to agree, this makes the scientific miracles argument somewhat weak.
The purpose of the verse is to recognize a cosmic phenomenon such as the rotation of the planets in their orbits and the phenomenon of the seas not mixing and the phenomenon of mountains extending in the earth like a peg because God urged people to contemplate His kingdom. God knew from eternity that the truth of these phenomena would be discovered in the future and to be a miracle for those who are contemporary with the truth of the Quran that it is a miracle from Allah because he said in another place in the Quran ( It is but a reminder to the worlds And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time. )but the opinion of Sheikh Ali Dawood and Muhammad Hijab is just a point of view like your point of view but there is no text that justifies their statement but what is meant by their statement is that it is a book of guidance in the first place and that does not prevent it from having miracles because Allah said in another place ( We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth or is it not sufficient for your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness ) in other verse ( Certainly, We have brought to them a Book (the Quran) which We have explained in detail with knowledge, - a guidance and a mercy to a people who believe Do they await except its result? The Day its result comes those who had ignored it before will say, "The messengers of our Lord had come with the truth, so are there [now] any intercessors to intercede for us or could we be sent back to do other than we used to do?" They will have lost themselves, and lost from them is what they used to invent )
Scientific miracles argument was not what won over the initial converts of the 7th century.
Initial converts was mainly based on authenticity and truthness of prophet which he was definitely truthful to all people of Arabia.
True! This is another important aspect.
Isaiah 29:12 "Then the book will be given to the one who is not learned, saying, 'Read this.' And he will say, 'I cannot read.'"
Dax, it's good to see that you are healthy and well.
As you may know, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was illiterate-a fact that is prophesied in your own scripture, as plain as day. The claims in the Quran (given to him, with the command to "Read" or Iqra(first word revealed), and his response, "I cannot read," as foretold) contain remarkable facts, some of which we have only confirmed as true in recent centuries. This raises an important question: where did he get this knowledge that was unavailable in his time?
Shifting the discussion to whether these are "scientific facts" or simply "amazing truths" can sometimes trivialize the larger point. I agree with Ali Dawah that science, while invaluable, is not always the right instrument for evaluating the Quran. This isn't a dismissal of science; rather, it’s an acknowledgment that its tools are not suited for certain kinds of exploration. I dont see how this is absurd.
If your goal is to challenge the Quran, the only effective way is by learning Arabic. Despite popular belief, Arabic is not as difficult as it’s often made out to be. Engaging with the Quran through translations alone will never allow you to fully appreciate its depth, much less form a solid critique. For instance, consider Surah 21:33: "Each one is traveling in an orbit" (Kulun fi falakin). The original Arabic conveys not only the idea of traveling in an orbit but also "swimming around" in their paths. This is reflected in the palindromic symmetry (k-l-f-y-f-l-k), the phonetic pattern, and the vivid imagery-all hallmarks of Quranic eloquence. Such nuances are often lost in translation.
Imagine the impact you could have if you disproved the Quran in Arabic-how many people you might bring to Christ through such a feat! Reducing complex theological and linguistic discussions to oversimplified critiques only undermines the depth of the conversation. Trust me I get it, spending years, reading many books, and investing money to earn degrees naturally leads one to value and defend them-but it’s entirely possible that the truth lies elsewhere.
They won't accept it until you accept thier faith 😂
Moafro! Good to hear from you friend. I appreciate your insights as always. I pray life is well for you.
I have to pushback against Isaiah 29 being "plain as day" talking about Muhammad. In context, Isaiah 29:12 is talking about the nation of Israel. If you read the verses leading up to it the nation of Israel is being called rebellious. Because of this, they will not understand the book. What is the book? Is it the Quran? No, verse 11 literally says the book is the vision given to Isaiah. The point being that since Israel has been rebellious, they are now blind and will not understand the revelation given to them through the prophet Isaiah (regardless of if one is literate or not). This is not debatable, just read the passage.
I have no problem if you don't think science is the right tool to judge revelation by. I just think, at the end of the day, if we are to evaluate the Quran we have to appeal to something outside the Quran (science, history, etc.). Unless we try to use the Quran to validate the Quran, but this would be circular reasoning... so we do need to rely on these methods to some extent. I guess the rhetoric of Ali Dawah is what I disagree with, it sounded like he criticized science a little to harshly. At one point he says "to hell with science" lol but I don't think either of us would agree with that.
I appreciate you trying to help me become the best Christian apologist I can be lol I would be open to studying Arabic one day. Recently I've been playing around with the idea of getting a masters in Islamic Studies (I'm currently doing one in Christian Theology). In the meantime I will need to rely on individuals like you that can help me out ;) I will say though, I'm not sure why God would make this so limited. Why would he hide the divine proof of the Quran in classical Arabic? If this is a revelation for the whole world, why not make the message/miracle accessible to everyone in the world?
Bro, I’m happy to hear you are well. I pray and beg the Most High to guide us all to His straight path and, in the Hereafter, welcome us to "a seat of honor in the presence of The Sovereign, Perfect in Ability" (Surah Al-Qamar, 54:55).
With all that training, you are obliged to be consistent. If you reject Isiah 29-12 being about Prophet Mohamed pbuh, using the same criteria you have to reject Isiah "a virgin(Alma means young womehn) will conceive a child is about Jesus Pbuh. Read Isiah 7 1-17, from beginning to end, no way Jose its talking about Jesus Pbuh.
As for why the Quran was revealed in classical Arabic: is the issue about why it was revealed to Arabs rather than others, like the English? If so, consider that revelation has always aligned with the language and context of its initial audience, following the pattern of Abrahamic Semitic languages, with Arabic being the last. An English Quran would have required many volumes. Aramaic the language of Jesus is an endangered language, having your original faith text in a translation in second language, this is not a problem that Muslims have. Revelation should be independent of language, a true seeker of God will look every where to find him.
Arabic is a living language today 5th most spoken globally, it's eloquence allows deep meaning in fewer words; and the truth is, English is not the tool for revelation. For example, in Arabic, the word “is” (used to define existence) isn’t applied to Allah, as it implies dependency. Allah, being As-Samad (self-sufficient), transcends such limitations. This highlights a core difference between Islam and Christianity: the former sees God as infinite and beyond human constructs, while the latter assigns finite human terminology to an ever living infinite being. preserved, fitting language, living language text is what we have.
I advise you to learn Arabic first, then pursue a master’s degree from an Islamic institution, rather than secular approaches, you will gain more understanding from apologetic s like myself without the unnecessary expenses
In that regard, I think we should look at what god tries to point out with "scientific" stuff . The language might be extremely descriptive and precise, but the aim is to convince ,to demonstrate , to make you think , to make you make science not the other way around .contemplating Quran makes science . It is not a book of science ,it's an initiator to it .
I definitely think this is a more consistent approach.
OK if we use logic here Ali is wrong in some part, if the quran says,
for example: Surah Al-Alaq (96:1-5): "Read in the name of your Lord who created. Created man from a clot of blood. Read, and your Lord is the most Generous-Who taught by the pen-Taught man that which he knew not."
often interpreted in light of modern embryology, where the term "clot of blood" is seen as a description of the early stages of human development.
Seems like Ali is saying EVEN tho we see these facts that Quran has mentioned that we just found out with 21st equipment, we shouldn't act like it is mind blowing..... kinda ignore it!!! push it to the side!! dont use it in argument to say Quran has mircles in it.. he is exaggerating!!
his point i think is to say Quran is not a book of science, dont use it as science book... but he could say it better!! but saying scientfic things in the quran is DEBUNKED is attention seeking behavior like for clicks.
I saw a lot of Muslims in his comment section saying something like this. It seems people aren't happy that he said "debunked". This is why I included the comments of Hijab and Tzorzis because they are more scholarly. They articulated what Ali was trying to say in a more comprehensive way.
All in all, though, it seems they would all agree the typical scientific miracles argument used by people like Uthman is exaggerated.
Watch Zafar Heretic, Ex Muslim Sahil and Adam Seeker ..
Why would he watch paj**ts
The thing is that there is no 'one' proof of islam,as quran uses word signs (plural)
But the proofs that you,as a Christian should asks for are, first,the future predictions,as it mentioned as sign of a true prophet in det 18:19.
Second,the positive change that the prophet bought to his society,as mathew 7 says,that you will recognise flase and true prophets from ther fruit.
That is how prophet Muhammad ﷺ made arabs into a great nation as prophecised in genesis 17, 20
Hey! I agree with you, it seems more like a cumulative case of signs rather than one definite proof.
I respect prophecy a great deal as there are many prophecies in the Bible. However, I have been surprised to see the lack of prophecies in the Quran. Also Deut 18 is most definitely not about Muhammad. It's talking about a fellow Israelite, the context makes that clear. I have a video on that passage. You should check it out and let me know your thoughts.
Then Gen 17 literally says the covenant is with Isaac, not Ishmael. The Old Testament prophets focus on the lineage of Isaac. And his descendants were made into a great nation - Israel.
@@daxvanderwal if we see,the God's promise to Abraham that his descendants will be given land form Nile to Euphrates was fullfill through ishmeal in 640's ad,under rashdidun Caliphate and not through Isaac.
And we can actually get the date 640's from danial 7, which says that the 4th kingdom (which is always considered to be rome) will have a king that will defeat three others and will speak against God
And will change the divine law.time+times+half time after him the kingdom of heaven will be established that will defeat the 4th kingdom and will liberate the Jerusalem.
Now,we know that the description of that king completely fits emperor Constantine,who defeated 3 other emperors to came to power, declared beliefs like 'trinity' and 'god died for our sins' in council of nisaea, which accoding to Jewish understand is speaking against God,and he changed the holy day to Sunday (changing law).
And as traditional scholers understood time+times+half time means 350 luner years (339 solar years)
So adding it to 306 ad (when Constantine became emperor) we get,that kingdom of heaven will come in 640's
@@Phyzl000 None of what you just said is in the prophets. As a Christian, I go to the actual prophets to tell me what to believe. They tell us the nation of Israel is the chosen people whom God chose to have a covenant relationship with. Not Ishmael.
@@daxvanderwal can you make a reaction video on "muhammad in book of dalail" by channel many prophets one message
@@daxvanderwalThe solution is to Read the Quran
Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips.1 surat 75 verse 4
For me, this is clear sign that the Quran is from God.
Why do you think this demonstrates the Quran is from God?
@@daxvanderwalJudgment Day 40:1-4
1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips.
God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
@@daxvanderwal Judgment Day 40:1-4
1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips.
God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
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Judgment Day 40:1-4
1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips.
God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
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Judgment Day 40:1-4
1- I do swear by the Day of Judgment! 2-And I do swear by the self-reproaching soul! 3-Do people think We cannot reassemble their bones? 4-Yes ˹indeed˺! We are ˹most˺ capable of restoring ˹even˺ their very fingertips.
God could have highlighted the complexity of human creation by mentioning intricate parts of the body, such as the eyes or the brain. However, the unique nature of fingerprints, distinct for every individual, is a remarkable indication of divine design. This uniqueness serves as a clear sign that every person will be resurrected with their physical identity intact, making individual recognition possible. It is extraordinary to consider that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned this over 1400 years ago, long before the modern discovery of fingerprint identification.
The Quran is not preserved, because on Third Chaliphate ruled by Uthman. He order to burned the original copy and changed some verses. That's why the Quran has terrible words, where singular and plural didn't match. The Muslims is still insisted of there Quran was preserved. Even the historical evidence was take place and many eyewitness was there. Also the Hadiths is the most Controversial of all. Because Mohammed married a kid named Aisha. A nine year old girl, which God forbids in the scriptures. Also Quran mentioned to confirm the scriptures, they need to go and ask the people who has the Injeel and Torah (Christian and Jews) scriptures. Because the Jesus on the Quran has no details about it. Only Mohammed's sins, slavery, and bloody conquest.
Have u ever read the Quran ? If u haven’t then go read it cuz ur comment looks like u have no knowledge of Quran
Lol You neither red Bible nor Quran 😅Rebecca was 3 yrs old.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
2:41 First thing first it's "Informations" not "Information"
2nd thing it's not as simple as that "therefore, the Quran must be from God"
Either you're not researched enough, or else
Qur'an already claimed it's from God, and we're not convinced just because scientifical stuff inside even though it could be one aspect.
And if you want to use that standard, then implement it on bible. It become a commedy book for scientist nowadays.
My point is that the "scientific miracles" shouldn't even be "an aspect" of why one would accept the Quran. This argument is illogical.
Honest question though, why do you accept the Quran as a miracle? I'm struggling to see any strong evidence.
@daxvanderwal I agree to a certain point of that argument, That's why scientific miracle in Quran is not our main priority, it's just supporting our believe since we're leave in this world and in this world we ordered to worship, sustain, and takes care, by using our reason & heart.
Qur'an is not a scientific book, so no one should expect a detailed explanation of quantum physics there, but with our progress of science many of quranic scientific claims are proven true not like many other books, and that's what the miraculous part.
Until you discover how the preservation of the quranic text, then you can start proving our text is wrong. Otherwise since we believe a God that having a perfect knowledge and would never lie, the conclusion is the science that we have right now isn't reach there yet.
And by the way it is a fact that "Translation between English and Arabic is not always straightforward. Arabic has over 12 million distinct words. To put this into context, the Oxford English Dictionary includes just over 170,000 words. As one example, Arabic has 23 words for love." So what Adnan Rashid did is not just try to fit in the context out of his desire when he mention there is a different of understanding to that verse. What we're dealing is an exegesis of a scholar in that time who try to explain with their own limited knowledge of science at that time so when you open a book of tafsir and especially about a verse who mention some scientific claims there would be many way of explanation stated there.
InshaAllah when you talk to brother muhammad ali from muslim lantern (if it's happen, since I'm looking forward to it 😊) you can ask many fundamental things that you still curious directly from a knowledgeable person.
@@MrHamjul
Thanks for the expanding on your thoughts!
I have studied the preservation of the Quran. I definitely don't think it is "perfectly preserved" in the way some try to argue, but I do think it's generally well preserved. I can also agree with the idea that as science progresses, it should conform to divine revelation. This is something I believe to be true about the Bible as well.
Can you please make reaction+"my thoughts on" video on movie "the message 1976", it's Even available on RUclips.
Islamic traditions, does't allow depiction, but this is one of the few exceptions,
You can upload the video in parts.
I have another plan for the New Year but I will save this idea for the future! Thanks for the recommendation.
You are wrong because these facts which shiekh othman talk about sun and moon spinning in its orbits are basic and unable to change and also water boundary and there are more signs of quran but you make them false on purpose
My point is that Sheikh Othman is adopting an interpretation that aligns with modern science, but he doesn't even know if that was the intended meaning of the verses. This is why other apologists like Ali Dawah, Mohommad Hijab, Hamza Tzorzis say the "scientific miracles argument" does not work.
I have other videos about prophecies in the Quran and I'm going to talk about the "literary miracle" argument next.
😂😂 is the holy bible miracle is there evidence about bible and why jews reject christ 😂😂 so come on bro Ur defending Gods which are helpless , discussion and frictional story 😂😂
So, in other words, you have no idea what I just said in this video.
Your argument is flawed since Uthmans Claims were valid and also about Embroyology however Adnan couldnt present it better.
1- Quran states all of them swim in heaven (this includes earth also)
2- Mountains are indeed like pegs
3- Salt Warm water effect was unknown to Arab and Asians
4- Bone Cartilage structure is formed before Muscles, and once muscles forms, cartilage converts into bones through ossification.
Instead of addressing the Quranic claims you skipped them using science argument.
You said my argument is flawed but didn't provide any reasons. I didn't respond directly to his claims because the whole methodology is flawed... the whole "scientific miracles" argument is simply false. Where does the Quran claim to have scientific miracles? Where does the Quran claim people converted due to scientific miracles? Can you prove with 100% certainty what the intended meaning of these verses are, or like Hijab said can you justify multiple interpretations using the early Salaf? If you can't conclude the right interpretation beyond a shadow of a doubt how could anyone say these verses are specific and miraculous?
Sun sets on muddy pool
Qur'an miracle 😂
True Story Braddar 😂
Lol ignorant comments, quran describe the perception of zulqarnain for sunset😅
This is actually an interesting example. Based on Hijab's comments, you can use the Salaf and early Muslim sources and see that some of them take this literally. So, it can be argued that these verses that some wish to be metaphor are actually literal.
@@linux140 But to Hijab's point, what if there are early authoritative Muslim sources that interpret this as the sun literally setting in mud? This means a literal interpretation should be as likely as any other.
@@daxvanderwal Salaf take everything literally which is absolutely wrong in the context of quran and hadiths but by the linguistic perspective of arabic this is once again a correct verse about zulqarnain .
@@daxvanderwal if there were muslims interpreting this as sun setting in mud they would have misunderstood the verse because language of quran is in peotic style and there are figure of speech like hyperboly which early muslim may have find difficult to understand.
You are absolutely right, my guy. The Quran asks Muslims to be knowledgeable. Some of these science facts will NOT change.
Next point. Also right. It is also nearly impossible to comprehend the scientific meaning behind the Quran.
Thanks for watching man! I'm glad you see where I'm coming from
Al quran A miracle of miracles sheikh Ahmed deedat
6 billion people don’t believe in your silly claims 😂😂😂
@@Hitchens-k9sBut fastest growing religion in the world 😂because people are leaving your 1+1+1=3 shampoo
@ Oye it’s the fastest bredin relignnn😝😝😝..you should be ash…aaammd of this achievement where millions of mslms are bag…ggg..inn in Christian countries…your own Arab bros don’t give y’all citizenship nor do they take mslm asss..yyy…llm sekrs in their countries..your concept of ummah is a flop concept..y’all are the most unn….graaatt…phuuul ppl who criticise the same Christians who allowed y’all to entr whrn y’all arrivvd as ashy…llllmm sekrs with folddedd hands
you don't understand or you wishing to controversial. u not sincere. I think
I'm not sincere because I don't agree with you?
@@daxvanderwal Then do your homework to learn the exact point.
@@ubah-tb5wl instead of accusing me of being insincere... how about you give an actual argument? Show me how my claims are wrong. Give me evidence.
@@daxvanderwalIt seems like you either didn’t understand or are ignoring their different topics, and you’re making it seem like they are 'controversial' because of what they are discussing Ali Dawa and Sheikh Othman. then act like one. Clifford says not to believe without evidence
Scientists and philosophers do not want any book to share their information with them, for this reason they sit day and night to find any error in the Quran. I believe that the Quran is religious and not scientific, but anything mentioned in it, neither you nor the researchers nor the philosophers can deny it from now until the Day of Judgment.
I'm simply asking what evidence is there that the Quran is a miracle. If I'm going to be judged for not accepting it I would expect there to be some compelling evidence for it being a miracle.
Every Surah in the Quran is a miracle. Brother, do not try to invalidate or deny the Quran, or you will end up crazy. They came before you to invalidate it, but they failed in their attempt. Another proof is that the Quran is the only religious book that challenges scientists, and there is no other religious book capable of doing that. Another proof is you, because you are trying in the name of the Quran and not another book.
@@MahMoud-zj6bd
Saying every surah is a miracle does not demonstrate that every surah is a miracle. How do you know every surah is a miracle?
The Quran challenges scientists? What? Scientists don't care about the Quran. Even if that were true, how does challenging scientists prove it is a miracle? None of this establishes anything.
Since you study the Quran and Islam, you must know them or have heard of them. If you have not heard of or known those scholars, this means that you have not read any Surah in the Quran. You are just trying to deny it on social media, and pretending to be a philosopher or a researcher, while you are looking for negatives, not positives. A researcher is not biased, so even if you find a truth, you will naturally try to invalidate it in any way possible.
@@MahMoud-zj6bd so you can't give any evidence, got it. If you can't respond to my arguments that's fine
9:00 allah is a man. I didn't knew he was a man.
Another miracle 😂
Ignorant comment
Why r u going out of subject?
What are u saying peace of sheet , look what is going out of ur mouth , indeed u who are too deluded to study about ur self while following blindly christianity or any religion except islam u whose without of knowledge arguing or joking , indeed when death approaches any of u then u will reflect and start to thing what u have done and earned but its late hellfire is destination of every deluded(by this worldly life) and deniers.
@daxvanderwal Validate of the Quran via ChatGPT is not silly .You say this because it was unable to come up with something like the Quran, and you did not complete the rest of the screenshot and hide it because chatgpt told you that it is impossible to come up with something like the Quran because it is miraculous in its statement, meanings, and unique style. Artificial intelligence can come up with something like any poem, any speech, or any style except the miraculous style of the Quran, and this is a testimony from chatgpt. Artificial intelligence also said that it is not based on a religious significance . And you still say collecting verses from the Quran and pasting them next to each other is a a chapter like the Quran. This is not a challenge because anyone can do this. Rather, the intended challenge is to come up with words that make the recipient realize that it is the Quran as it came from revelation and not an imitation of verses that were said before. Thank you for agreeing with me that chatgpt failed to bring a chapter like Qur'an
The problem is not with the Quran. The problem is with the reader of the Quran. There are definitely scientific knowledge within the Quran. It is considered miraculous because it was revealed during the time when the knowledge was not yet known, or the prophet Muhammad pbuh would not have known himself.
But the problem currently is that the people who tries to use the scientific knowledge within the Quran today are not fully knowledgeable on the specific science of it. It the same as during the time of Muhammad pbuh. When these scientific knowledge was revealed to him, he himself and the people in that time couldn't and wouldn't understand it. But as we gain more and more knowledge, the meaning of these verses within the Quran slowly revealed it's meaning. A good example for this in the Quran that you did not cover in this video is,
Quran chapter 16 An Nahl verse 68 and 69.
وَأَوْحَىٰ رَبُّكَ إِلَى ٱلنَّحْلِ أَنِ ٱتَّخِذِى مِنَ ٱلْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًۭا وَمِنَ ٱلشَّجَرِ وَمِمَّا يَعْرِشُونَ
And your Lord inspired the bees: “Make ˹your˺ homes in the mountains, the trees, and in what people construct,
verse 68
ثُمَّ كُلِى مِن كُلِّ ٱلثَّمَرَٰتِ فَٱسْلُكِى سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلًۭا ۚ يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌۭ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَٰنُهُۥ فِيهِ شِفَآءٌۭ لِّلنَّاسِ ۗ إِنَّ فِى ذَٰلِكَ لَـَٔايَةًۭ لِّقَوْمٍۢ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
and feed from ˹the flower of˺ any fruit ˹you please˺ and follow the ways your Lord has made easy for you.” From their bellies comes forth liquid of varying colours, in which there is healing for people. Surely in this is a sign for those who reflect.
verse 69
There are scientific knowledge within this verses. Specifically the biology of the bees. In these verse, it is pointed out that the bees that goes out foraging are female bees. Also if you noticed that when the Quran talks about the belly of the bee, it is said as "bellies". Which is actually biologically true. That the female bee have 2 stomachs, one for it to feed and one to store honey.
During the time of Muhammad pbuh, these very specific knowledge was not know YET. Some even gave the argument that the chapter "The Bee" is the 16th chapter in the Quran. The male bee has 16 haploid chromosomes and female bees have 16 pairs of diploid chromosomes in their DNA.
This is the title of a video that explained this verse is much more detailed and easy to understand. Go take a look at it.
This scientist was shock3d to see how the Quran scientifically describes the life of bees
From the channel We Talk Islam
6 billion people are shocked at flying donkey,moon splitting and talking ants 😂😂😂😂in your book
Thank you for giving a video reference, I will check it out!
Do you think it is a problem that the Quran does not claim to possess scientific miracles? It gives specific tests but it never says this is one of them. None of the early converts converted (or reverted as Muslims would put it) because of something like this. Do you think that is significant?
Dax Van, I can't give more than I have from my friends before me, but we want you to read the Quran without bias. Read this prophecy from, the Messenger Mohammed (PBUH) said on Sunan Ibn Majah 63 { The hour will not come until} You will see barefoot Arab shepherds competing in construction buildings. I note that you changed the verse about the Earth and the Son, it's wrong the Son will move around the world and another planet in the solar system, please read the book of Seven Hopking that proves what the Quran mentions.
)Have you not looked at him who disputed with Ibrahim (Abraham) about his Lord (Allah), because Allah had given him the kingdom? When Ibrahim (Abraham) said (to him): "My Lord (Allah) is He Who gives life and causes death." He said, "I give life and cause death." Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "Verily! Allah causes the sun to rise from the east; then cause it you to rise from the west." So the disbeliever was utterly defeated. And Allah guides not the people, who are Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.). Al l-Baqarah -283
It is impossible to read/study/watch anything without bias. The best we can do is give each other the benefit of the doubt and focus on each other's arguments. If you want to respond directly to one of my arguments that would be the most helpful.
I understand there are prophecies documented in the Hadith literature, but my focus is on the Quran. Muslims say the Quran is the ultimate miracle so I would expect it to have miraculous prophecies. It is a little suspicious to me if all the amazing prophecies are found in literature written a couple hundred years later. I also need to spend time studying the trustworthiness of the Hadiths. How do we know they aren't just legends? If you know of any resources on this let me know.
@@daxvanderwal
So you say that the Quran is a kind of literature, which means you don't read the Quran, and we know the skeptics to spread on RUclips. Please read without bias, Insha Allah you will find the truth.
@@AbuSaleh001 The Quran is a book, a written work, it is literature. Are you saying it's not a book?
@@daxvanderwal
Do you mean created by Mohammed (PBUH)?. Please see this video "The Qur'an: A Very Serious Book for Those Who Have Knowledge - There Is No Clash"
@@AbuSaleh001 I think it was created by Mohammed, yes. But either way it is a type of literature.
Let me take a step back... where does the Quran say it has scientific miracles? And where does it say this should be used as a test for the Quran?
you are mixing everyting, in the quran there are explicit and ambiguous verses. There isn't infinite amount of correct interpretetions! and the fact that not even one verse doesn't have a correct interpretation that excludes it from beign a contradiction isn't something a man 1400 years ago who couldn't read or write, wasn't educated could have done, look at the bible for exemple.
The fact that there ALWAYS is a Correct interpretation of those "scientifique miracles" Wich i see more as miracle because it contains information that couldn't have been know if not from Allah. Is already something unbelievable! i repeat, you are displaying it as if the arabic language can have infinite correct interpretation wich is totally false.
Not only that! These never where the only argument to proof islam's vericity! The quran is a miracle, not only because of the information it contains which couldn't have been known, but also linguisticly look for exemple at inimitability challenge! or because of its prophecy (there are prophecy in quran and in authentic hadith!), look also at the structure of the quran, the "Mathematical miracle" of quran, for exemple the number 19 in quran and we can continue again and again for quran.
Just the life of the Prophet Muhammed is a proof of the veracity of islam.
I am presenting what Mohommad Hijab and Hamza Tzorzis presented. If you disagree with me you're disagreeing with them. In their own words, the Arabic could be interpreted so many ways that no one has the right on insisting on a single specific interpretation that aligns with modern science. Without a doubt this undercuts the entire scientific miracles argument.
If you want to change the argument to "the Quran can be interpreted a number of ways that can make sense to all people at all times" you can do that, but that is a VERY different argument. Personally, I don't find that impressive. That just means the Quran is ridiculously confusing and no one really knows what it's trying to say (unless you are a complete expert... which means Allah didn't make it accessible to the common man for some reason).
@@daxvanderwalIn fact the Arabic is hard for some but have they not read it in their own language and understood word by word. And Again READ.
Mashaallah may Allah guide you amen
Ameen
May God bless you as well