Sonic Frontiers FAILS In Every Possible Way
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long time followers of the channel will probably be quite confused by the fact that I'm covering Sonic frontiers today. I've admitted multiple times to never really haven't gotten into the series. To me Sonic has always come across like how pro wrestling must come across to non-wrestling fans. A strange subculture that inspires the most Diehard loyalty for reasons that nobody seems to be able to fully understand. And much like wrestling it's the type of thing that if you didn't get into it at an early age or don't have a predisposition for liking it, it's a bit of a tough sell. With that said, why am I covering it? Yeah, this wasn't really my idea, but as they say, in for a penny in for a pound. I just want to say first of all that since I in no way have an encyclopedic knowledge of this series, I'm definitely going to get some things wrong. So you know, do it that what you will. This does mean that I can only judge this game based on what it does and what's on the screen, and not for its Insider references, it's attempts to pander and so on. This is their chance to sell me on the series. So how did that work out? Not Well!
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Also after what the fans did in the game awards i knew they were a lost cause.
Also sonic thinks he's goku
@Next-GenNeptuneHey pot, meet kettle. Let me flip it over on you though, if all Sonic fans are like you, no wonder people think this game is good.
Thank god for Sonic Superstars.
Clickbait title followed by a redundant sponsor placement in both the description AND the pinned comment? I'm sure this will end well
@Next-GenNeptune you have more than 50 comments in this video, you sure are kind of a sonic fan if you put it so much effort into correcting random oponions
"You can't pay your bills with potential."
GameFreak and Pokémon Company: (laughs hysterically in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
@Next-GenNeptune
You know that fun is subjective by its very nature, right? The notion that something is 'objectively fun' is opinionated BS.
@Next-GenNeptune your just wrong lmao. fun is subjective no matter how u spin it
@@mrmelonman2893Just ignore him. He’s nothing but a bad take printing press.
@Next-GenNeptune and now Gamefreak need to step up its a game thanks to pal world.
I think you're right about the low standards. When I played Frontiers I was judging the game as a Sonic game and not as I would any other game. I had mentally forgiven the game for all the pop-in because it was a Sonic game, even though there's really no reason to do that for a high profile game that this game bills itself as.
The best thing you can say about Frontiers is that the general structure of the game is a good idea and puts everything into context. But that doesn't magically fix the fact that almost all individual aspects of the game are lacking in some significant way. Except for the music. The music is good.
As a Sonic game, this game is a 0/100. Nothing in this game screams *"Sonic"*
You just have shit standing still everywhere in a long distained blob.
The fighting isn't even pleasing to look at. Thank god I don't have this game, not very appealing.
It's 2024 and it seems I'm not missing out.
And the story is a joke with bad writing.
@@ataladin87 better than forces or generations
@@ataladin87From your words, you’ve never played Sonic Frontiers? You’ve only watched reviews and clips?
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 indeed, long before the game came out and I saw them use combat worse than unleashed. Like, come on seriously, when did Sonic learn to do all that???. Black knight ight and unleashed had Movesets blended in with that classic Sonic spin attacks.
Unleashed, however, appealed to a more out of control Sonic instead, making it make sense for what the story was going for.
I missed it when youtubers could have genuine fun together as friends
This was a great refresher
Rdc
@Next-GenNeptunesmh
Seeing J's Reviews, TBP, KingK, and JebTube all in the same room as someone who's a fan of all their individual channels is amazing to me and I love it.
Truly the crossover we needed
@Next-GenNeptuneYou're only saying it's clickbait because you don't agree with it, so you can't possibly mentally comprehend the idea of people not liking the same things you do. Classic egotism. If you spend all your time playing Sonic games, of course youre gonna have low standards
@JTR504 why are you lying about this man? I clicked on his channel thinking "no way people like that actually exist" and I see a persona banner and a bunch of videos on square rpgs . I understand sonic games are no good but damn. Do we really need stoop to the fan base levels of baseless acusations?
they should do a podcast or something, i want to see more of them being together
What do they all have in common? They review games, and are virgins!
"I feel like this series is being held to a lower standard than the rest of the industry"
You're so real for saying this.
It’s true and he would get harassed if he said that on twitter
@@slayerstarx7109he’s wrong
Pokemon fans wiping their foreheads rn
Pokémon is right there my guy
@@amari648He’s right.
Again, nothing wrong with differing opinions as long as those opinions aren't "my word is law."
That's mostly what you're going to see in the comments. And it's to the point that they're just lying.
The thing at the end, about sonic games being held to a different standard than other games is really interesting. It got me thinking of the old "its a good game, just not a good [X] game" except the X is in front of the first "game" in that sentence.
The idea of sonic being up to standards is kinda a shaky one for me. Because on one hand, yes sonic frontiers is not at the standard of a tripe A game. But on the other hand, I also think of other triple A games that also got mix reviews like Halo Infinite, Bayonetta 3, the latest Pokémon and I don’t see them treated with the same severity by the rest of the public outside of their communities. And I gotta be honest, I think that they are aspects in those games that are worst than frontiers.
I'd say it's a mediocre sonic game tbh
@@Frank-zb7zhthe thing is, it not even up to AA standars
@@JuanPablo-su6vw I disagree, because of the examples that I mention before. And I can name all the things that it does better than those games, it’s more diverse than halo infinite, has better graphics than Pokémon and less glitches, less frustrating and better looking than Bayonetta 3 and more stable than Jedi survivor. People are willing to be forgiving with a game like cyberpunk 2077 despite all its problems, I don’t see why it can be the same for this game. If we criticize the entire industry like we criticize sonic then I think it would be very differently.
To be clear, this is not me saying people should by the game at $60, just putting it into context with other games of its “quality”.
@@Frank-zb7zh Hit the nail on the head. People who get all smug with "Sonic is held to a different standard" happen to be right but not (entirely) in the way they think they are. You won't see shit like Pokémon Scarlet and Violet haunting Nintendo for 14 years to the point they'll have to abandon ideas and change tone to appease RUclipsrs that parrot "series was never good" or videos like these.
And this doesn't make the legitimate flaws Sonic games have not count. They are flawed. Just judged way more harshly than other similarly flawed games.
OH! You came in thinking Sonic was a AAA Franchise 😂 You don’t even know the Start of it, SEGA treats Sonic Team like a Glorified Indie Team when it comes to Budget and Staff.
Sonic is generally Shovelware. SEGA execs have admitted its just kids fodder like a licensed Disney Princess game. But SEGA actually seemed to have faith in this turd. They gave the guttertrash studio Sonic Team plenty of time and resources for it to come out half decent and it didn't.
@@Carsonj13 SEGA hasn’t cared about making quality Sonic Games since 2008. They realized they can give Sonic Team a Small Budget to make a 3 hour game, and then sell it at around $40 and make a huge Profit off the Sonic Fans who will buy anything they put out. You’re mistaken in the case of Frontiers, SEGA didn’t care about it either. They wanted to Release this game in 2021, in an Even Worse state than it was when it released. Sonic Team didn’t get a Huge Budget, just a lot of Time. You can really feel it with how hard they tried to stretch out their limited resources into AAA $60 game.
@@Terminal_Apotos Well, all I can say that they "realized" wrong. Think about it, Bayonetta 2, a game SEGA REFUSED to publish due to "poor sales" of the first game, outsold Sonic Flop World and Sonic Bust COMBINED, whilst being confined to the same (failing) console. Sonic fans, contrary to popular belief, are simply not enough to keep this series financially relevant. They can do all the hacking they want, whining, you name it, they're just not financially viable. Appealing to them is NOT a sustainable business strategy. SEGA should have caught on to this a decade ago when those two games I mentioned failed...
And are you SURE Sega put nothing into this particular turd? I mean in the video game industry, time kinda does equate to budget. It's a game of numbers; if you have a certain number of employees working on something for a certain amount of time, you need to keep paying them to keep them employed... Did they just not have a lot of staff working on it?
@@Carsonj13 I’m 100% sure, Forces had the Same amount of Time Put into it and SEGA was perfectly happy with it. I repeat, SEGA wanted to release this game in 2021, one year less than Forces but Takashi Iizuka fought and put his job on the line to get Sonic Team another Year of Development. Not sure about the Employees but Considering most of the Talent who worked on games like Unleashed and Generations Left SEGA to go work at Nintendo, I don’t think they’re getting paid much or treated that well.
@@Terminal_ApotosThat’s unfortunately true.😔
Sonic is literally the only franchise that is screwed over the most
And Pokémon.
Next to Star Wars?
By it's own creators :'(.
The DLC Final Boss pissed me off more than hyped me up. Inconsistent difficulty spikes, especially with the DLC cyberspace portals. 💀
EDIT: It’s easy as heck, just confusing at first.
@Next-GenNeptunecope
@Next-GenNeptune Not a skill issue, just confusion. I can beat the final boss in 30 seconds now.
@Next-GenNeptune Skill Issue from Sonic Team's part, since they don't know how to make a proper working game loool
@Next-GenNeptune Facts don't care about feelings.
@Next-GenNeptune Appreciate it. It is easy now of course.
The sonic fandom isn't blood hating about criticism about this game. They didn't make a new engine for this game (which is what they probably should've done). Instead, using the "Hedgehog Engine". It took 5 years to change how the engine lighting looks. If not a new engine, then heavy re tooling of the existing one.
Updates 2 and 3 tried fixing some things like cyberspace controls, adding movement styles, the for some reason, infinite parry (literally nobody liked that).
The writer for this game spent years writing for the sonic comics, and the call backs are something he basically does almost every story. Which suffers anyway because the sonic franchise has guidelines on what the characters can be and how deep the story can go.
While yes, Sonic fans are happy, it's not just jetting down a hallway. We also all agree this definitely needs more fixing. Which says something because this was as much they could do with sega pushing back the game.
I'm thankful for the ambition the games team had, but if they toned it back a little to where fixes wouldn't be so hard.
But since Sonic is infact a budget title, Sega will not give more money or more time
Pannels and rails floating everywhere are also seen as annoyance.
In the end, if they're really going to continue Open Zone, then the engine they have needs severe changes to its handling of practically everything.
This game is a start to something Sonic fans have wanted, but not the way it should've been handled.
This is a pretty good summary.
So on the engine stuff.
Hedgehog Engine is a graphics engine not a general gameplay one. And even than does Frontiers use the Hedgehog Engine 2 which was written during Sonic Forces development and used in a few other Sega games like Mario and Sonic in the Rio Olympics.
The gameplay frame work on which Frontiers is build is modified from Sonic Forces which itself already was build on top of Sonic Lost world from 2013.
@@rynobehnke8289another note. Compare Lost World Cutscenes to Frontiers cutscenes.
Lost World…. Actually has WAY more movement and action in the cutscenes. This game brought back that standing around thing for the majority of each cutscene.
Man, what is it with games these days and ancient civilizations? The Horizon games, Sonic Frontiers, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, the Breathe Of The Wild games, etc. I'm not complaining, it's just an observation.
Sonic's been done the ancient civilization thing. Multiple times even. Since 1994 there has been games in the series that dealt with ancient civilizations or some ancient evil that ancient people fought off and Sonic has to stop it. Knuckles is literally the last species or an ancient race that has ruins that any schmuck can go see in the jungle lol.
@@YHUAN01 that's different sonic frontiers literally copied odyssey and breath of the wild atmosphere
I feel the exact same way about Pokémon. If you didn’t get into it back when you were a kid, chances are I won’t as an adult. To me, I always put it on par with Harry Potter and DC Comics as some of the biggest juggernauts in pop culture. I mean the landscape would be very different without them. Alongside Star Wars, Star Trek and lord of the rings too. As well as Marvel, but Pokémon is general in a different beast on its own when it comes to Nintendo games overall.
Pokémon is abysmally bad. The games are poorly made (because they have to make them almost yearly), there are way too many Pokémon species, the gameplay gimmicks are always so intrusive and don't add much to the experiences, and the storylines are not even worth talking about. Pokémon was my franchise as a kid, and sadly I didn't have the knowledge back them to understand it was cash cow franchise that would never truly evolve past that.
@@drbuni It's worse than you think. Gamefreak is forced to make these yearly not because they make a lot but because Pokemon Company needs them as advertisement. The games make up if I remember correctly only about 2% of profits for the entire franchise and are kept to yearly to keep advertisement up the games are just a giant advertising page for the Pokemon Company rather than actual games.
@@JM57-99 yeah pretty good point actually.
I played Pokémon Diamond, watched a couple of the anime-shows + that Dark Rai movie. Fond memories. Grew out of it. At best, I may buy that Diamond remake another time.
@@ViltrumiteIsRite99 I’ve heard the diamond and pearl remakes on switch weren’t very good at all.
For me every main sonic game in more recent times is just a matter of "okay is this better or worse than the last one" not "okay is this good?" because at this point I'm not that invested in the games anymore.
Until Sega can completely make something without shooting themselves in the foot I'm just holding off from focusing on it and letting fans of the series play and form their own opinions on it. I think Sonic can easily be a good series but sega has made so many baffling decisions at this point now it's just a messy coarse correction from their previous entries which started promising but quickly became more and more hated.
At this point, you might just want to read the comics, watch, prime, or wait for movie 3
Just as well though, the opinion of "is this good" will not be answered the same way by everyone. Some people genuinely enjoy this game; hell, some people enjoy Sonic 06 or at least see the potential of it. I don't hate having a different perspective of it. What I have problem with is people getting aggressive about it and thinking this game is objectively bad. I'm going to stop watching those who try doing that. So if you feel Sonic Frontiers is a "messy course correction" then just know that isn't objective fact. Hopefully you do. Just like me enjoying it isn't an indicator that everyone else will.
@@WillieManga I didn't intend to just single Frontiers out as a "Rough game" moreso I mean Sonic games for a while have felt roughly handled.
Mainly by sega themselves who usually seem to give the most support and push to games that probably should've spent some more time really fleshing stuff out.
Generations was a solid game, but that narrative was pretty lackluster much like how Colours was and it really felt like it got worse with Lost World and then Forces, with the boom series fad just kinda existing between.
Seems like they as a company have no idea what direction to actually take so they throw things at a dart board trying to make it stick while fans grow frustrated and just pray for some consistency soon.
I personally like a lot of what Frontiers does, especially in terms of going a different direction from the last main entries, but I can't help but feel like both the talent behind the narrative and the gameplay itself could've been guided by better leadership.
Hopefully the leadership's confidence in a solid direction gets cemented soon so the games get better. But it seems sega can't help stirr up some controversy in the meantime.
They really need to start treating the people who make stuff for them better, you can't burn bridges when you barely have a leg to stand on and that's been the case for sega for a while.
@@Shift_Salt The narrative’s in Colors wasn’t too bad I don’t know why people want every Sonic game to be some edgy crap, it was light hearted my only complaint was the reused boss fights and the reused stages in Colors, yeah the jokes were hella annoying but Eh everything else was solid except the reused bosses and stages.
@@KingmationproductionzThe comics aren’t good either.
Woah we got the whole gang together for this one. Love these fellas.
"I'm sure this is peak storytelling if you play a lot of Sonic and nothing else" bravo! That's how I describe Frontiers in its entirety. Nothing about it hasn't been done better in other games, *especially* the platforming and Platinum-style combat. Anyone praising the spectacle in this game has probably never played Bayonetta, DMC, MGR or The Wonderful 101.
Funny you mentioned Bayonetta... A series SEGA themselves abandoned... Bayonetta 2 outsold Sonic Bust and Flop World COMBINED, whilst being confined to the same (failing) console. This should've clued SEGA execs in that a little thing called franchise fatigue was settling in and they can't keep making bad games and expecting them to fly off shelves; the Sonic fanbase, contrary to popular belief, just isn't BIG enough to keep this series afloat. They should've learned from this and published Bayonetta 3.
@@Carsonj13and that's why frontiers is the best-selling sonic game in 20 years.
@@pinktrutle1490 yes, because sales equal quality
@@pinktrutle1490 That doesn't mean anything, y'know. I played a game called NEO TWEWY and that game had less in sales, but it was a good game nonetheless. It got as much as Rol, but had more polish than Frontiers in almost every way. Cyberpunk 2077 had more sales than most sonic games and that release as a mess.
So, Frontiers being the best selling sonic game doesn't mean anything about quality and second the game has not oversold Heroes and SA1 has more sales than Frontiers with 4 to 5 million in sales, so that's incorrect. Also, the first sonic game was about over 10 or 15 million. It may be the biggest in years for Sonic Team and Sega's standards, but not the biggest than all of Sonic games.
@@nerodoesart5886 thats why i said in 20 years.
Fun Fact: In Japan this game outsold God of War Ragnarok
(Love both games, I just think it's cool)
Honestly my favorite part of Frontiers is all the Kellin Quinn music
A shitty ass edgelord singer.
@Next-GenNeptuneBecause ypur standards are shit just like ypur existence.
Tbh this game isn’t peak sonic or anything, I’d give that title to sa2 or even unleashed, but it is fun to play and I think the community has accepted the things this game does right, and what it does wrong and it’s probably because I’m a fan but despite its flaws like the godawful pop in I still enjoy it a lot
@Next-GenNeptune I replayed it not too long ago and it’s story is easily the best in my opinion but that’s why I said i’d say it’s peak sonic and not that it is
@Next-GenNeptunecope zoomer
@Next-GenNeptunejust say the game was too hard and cope
You know its funny, i wasnt sold on this game from the beginning when they first revealed it, and after seeing more of the game due to watching a friend play it, and also seeing him play the dlc stuff... yeah im still not sold on this game lol.
So you're close minded? Also if I would have time I would debunk this video with a video
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Its not closed mindedness, it just doesnt look fun to play. The open zone stuff looks boring compared to what sonic used to be. And the cyberspace stages has the control issues, no thanks. As far as the fighting mechanics goes, im not that huge on fighting mechanics like these that arent from a traditional rpg, so I'll pass on that as well. Hell the music isnt selling me either because it doesnt sound like sonic music. This game really has nothing in it that interests me personally. Im not saying its a bad game, its just not for me lol.
ok now youve just proofed to me that its a you problem first stop youre ego then judge games idiot and i could debunk youre claims again like i did before but like i said its a "you" problem
@@ThundagaT2Sonic the Hedgehog is the only franchise people, the public, cares about not being a consistent 10/10.
@@whaleping I wouldn’t even say the general public really cares about sonic games being consistent most of the general public see the franchise in a positive light it’s mostly just gamers always bring negativity into the franchise if we’re gonna be honest
I can't wait for the third update of the game to have it's own dedicated video when J's Reviews and co force you do play it.
I wouldn't say that sonic frontiers is peak sonic story telling. Sa2 definetly beats it
It's bottom of the barrel really. Lost World had more coherency.
Then that's still really concerning. SA2's story is a huge mess. I'm extremely baffled on why anyone says it has a good story.
@@snowyneko6710 how is it a mess? Honestly curious
@@snowyneko6710then what do you consider a good sonic story
There's too many plot holes, big and small. Plot holes within SA2 and then the later games after SA2. Stuff like everyone confusing Shadow for Sonic (the one that risked his life for the city), Gerald supposedly having good intentions which somehow translated to "program ARK to crash whenever" which had to happen before the Maria incident, Sonic somehow using chaos control with a fake emerald and then never using chaos control ever again.
And that's just scratching a little more than the surface.
The game has cool action set pieces in both gameplay and cutscenes, and does a good job going with the tone it sets up. But the story is a mess, and I just can't take it seriously.
While I personally disagree with your opinion on Sonic Frontiers (Then again, I've been a Sonic fan since I was eight with my first game being Sonic Rush on the DS, so yes, my opinion is a little skewed), I'm not gonna deride you like I'm certain the Sonic fanatics will (Yes, there is a difference between fan and fanatic), you have your opinion and I'm certain you'll stick by it, some games aren't for everyone and people need to accept that.
@@HughAverageHomoMan Damn my autofill.
@@HughAverageHomoMan he's a troll lmao a funny one though. I do agree with the troll when it comes to stuff of complaints that just boil down to skill issues being the reason for people not liking a thing. But I'm like that with anything. Stuff isn't bad because you suck at a game or a mechanic.
I feel like "fails on every level" is a bit zero sum and absolute if it fails on EVERY level there's really no room for redemption or potential to impove
Him titling the video that, with such a contradiction is the sole reason I disliked the video. It's not an actual genuine opinion or take he has due to playing the game. He went in not wanting to like it.
Right? It's like those people who say that 06 had potential but apparently don't like anything about it. The entire point of potential is that there's room to grow, develop and improve. How can something grow if nothing about it is redeemable? The only other way is to build it up into something new, but then the original idea has lost its identity and its no longer itself anymore.
I thought the same thing. If the game fails on every level why bother improving on it? Just scrap it and try again. Something can't fail at everything it does while also having potential because at that point everything has potential.
I know, right? What a clickbaity title lmao
Can't take a title like that seriously.
"Dont mess with us sonic 'fans' "
"We can't acknowledge the fact that the game we like isnt going to strike a cord with every person on the planet because not everyone shares the history or strife of being one, people with different opinions are _scary_ and anything other than blind praise MUST BE unfounded and baseless conjecture. God forbid we strive to aim to have our next game just not be 'servicable' next to the other schlock we sometimes hate and sometimes like.
We're just as inconsistent as our game quality!"
@@HughAverageHomoManimpression?
You're looking at one in the flesh 🗿
(It's miserable, good thing sonic isnt the _only_ thing I like. That'd be upseting)
I dont think sonic fans have liked a sonic game since unleashed
@@maydaymemer4660for what reason mm why like games that don't hit the same???.
However, now looking at Garbage Frawntears....... those games now look good.
This feels like a game id ask for Christmas. Not one I’d pay for. I’d play it but wouldn’t be mad if I wasn’t interested because it was a gift.
As someone who actually got this game as a Christmas gift I can firmly say I’m glad I did. Cause if I had to come out of pocket for this one my opinion of the game would go from mediocre to scalding
as a sonic fan, that wrestling analogy is hilarious. LOL
The idea of sonic being up to standards is kinda a shaky one for me. Because on one hand, yes sonic frontiers is not at the standard of a tripe A game. But on the other hand, I also think of other triple A games that also got mix reviews like Halo Infinite, Bayonetta 3, the latest Pokémon and I don’t see them treated with the same severity by the rest of the public outside of their communities. And I gotta be honest, I think that they are aspects in those games that are worst than frontiers.
Are any of those fundamental to basic world design? Just curious because when i look at frontiers i see a directionless eye sore with fairly mediocre level design(copy and paste) and an under cooked combat system. The only thing i see people unanimously praise is the boss fights but i dunno that seems like players grasping for any excitement they can find. When you strip all the pomp and circumstance away the bosses are pretty basic button mash quick time stuff. I boil it down to it's fun to run fast in an open world i just wish the world had been designed with any kind of expertise.
@@Gabbagool86 With the exception of halo infinite that is an open world game similar to frontiers every other game has its own issues related to their own gameplay style or technical issues. For example, the latest Pokémon game had so many technical issues that had to be temporarily taken off store until it could be updated, and graphically it still doesn’t look good even compare to frontiers. Then there is Bayonetta 3, also lacking in the graphical department but not as bad as Pokémon or frontiers, but still inferior considering it’s a more linear game, with the inclusion of intrusive 2d stealth segments that are just not fun and interrupt the action of the game, but the main problem with Bayonetta 3 is the combat or rather the interruption of the combat with a new mechanic that summons giant monster to fight for her, and it looks cool but is no where near as fulfilling because it’s just mashing bottoms while having a fixated camera including when you have to use them for puzzle solving, playing as Viola who just feels like Bayonetta light and pretty simple platforming in simple mini open worlds, even more simple than frontiers, and a minor thing but the story of that game is like the opposite of frontiers where the characters don’t really act as characters but props reacting unrealistically to what’s happening around them.
Last is the game that frontiers has more things in common, halo infinite (campaign), witch I find that that games main problem is a lack of diversity. For starters, if it weren’t for the grappling hook this game would be near unplayable, in both traversing the world and combat. The world itself of infinite is fine designed but what one does in it is very repetitive, there are submissions and collectibles but to reach them it’s just the use of repetitive gun combat, which while not as repetitive as frontiers combat, at least frontiers keeps me more occupied with a larger variety of platforming challenges, and as a collectaton, I find that while some of the challenges are a little to automated (specially the 2d ones) a lot of others give me the freedom to solve them as I want to reach the goal, specially with the use of the spin dash, in halo is just different flavors of gun without the fast gameplay of games like Doom. Even the world lacks diversity with with only one biodome used for it, while frontiers is criticize when it’s using 3, even if the art style of both games is nothing to write home about (and frontiers has weather variety). Even in the parts of the game that take place inside a base, there is little that stands out, I argue that the cyberspace levels are more memorable. Now I can’t mention which game has the biggest enemy variety, but I will mention that I find frontiers has a better variety of mini bosses that require a unique way to fight them, unlike halo that it’s just a buff normal enemy also solve with gun. This is also a problem for the main bosses, that for the most part are also buffs enemy’s playing a game of hide and seek, at least frontiers bosses stand out from each other and have spectacle. Also frontiers has two endings to its story, while Halo infinite by the end it feels it’s starting one. And the music, call me buyest but frontiers has the better soundtrack.
There are other games I could mention, like Jedi survivor and the amount of technical issues that kept the game crushing constantly, where some people couldn’t review it or Callisto Protocol as a whole.
And again I don’t say this because I think Frontiers is a vastly superior game (although I argue that the updates did make the game stand out more with a proper respond to feedback), but rather as counter argument to the whole point of sonic having an special treatment in the industry. Yes, fans will hype up small things that mean a lot to them but that’s also the case for the fans of the rest of this games, and yes, the problems of this games isn’t something that we should take as acceptable, and yes, sonic team and sega have a lot to proof. But sonic is not an special case, I even argue that if we treated all games like we treat sonic games then we would be in a very different industry.
@@Gabbagool86i mean pokemon legends looks exactly like frontiers
The only reason anyone defends this game is because the Sonic fanbase has been starved for even remotely decent Sonic games for a while. Its a Sonic game, and by Sonic standards this is really good (which says a lot about Sonic games...) XD
I'm just glad people can look at Sonic in a more serious light now, rather than just brushing it off as "bad" or "ill-fitting" because it's "just a child's game. I mean, yeah, sure it's a happy-go-lucky cast of critters with merch and supplementary media "aimed" towards children or long time fans. But taking a step back and looking at it as the flagship IP for Sega; a company that pushed gaming forward, then fell from grace and picked themselves up to being a incredibly reputable publisher in the last half of a decade. They really seemed to bottleneck the developers on Frontiers.
It's their mascot, yet there's this sense of them probably not caring if the game flopped because they have bigger, more polished projects to publish. It's kind of sad, but understandable. At least out of anyone else, they should be the ones to take the Sonic series more seriously moving forward. Great video dude, I love hearing a different perspective like this about a game I very much enjoyed.
dude aint nobody taking sonic serious lol people moved on as quick as this game came out and no major gaming channels that do reviews, reviewed any of the dlcs that dropped after gamers are full aware its quantity over quality when it comes to the sonic franchise.
what game are you on about?
@@savingthrows719 frontiers.
welcoime to the Sonic Fandom my guy!
thats a good start
As a non-Sonic fan, I actually really enjoyed it lol.
Turns out different people find different things enjoyable lol.
@Next-GenNeptune I think my brain doesn't work, sorry lol
@Next-GenNeptune or maybe some don't like low budget ps3 looking open world games like sonic frontrash
@Next-GenNeptune i already bought a ps5 bozo i played real triple AAA games on it like spider man miles morals, spiderman 2, god of war Ragnarök, horizon forbidden west, etc those are good games forntiers is garbage but sure if you enjoy a game that looks like ps2 game
@@ppo1502those are some interesting movies
I really appreciate there being an ad for the game before the video shitting on the game.
Great timing Sega
Every day this video has a different title i swear.
Sonic games are almost always the definition of minimum viable product, Sega just shits these out half finished because they always sell enough to justify it. I know TBP is coming at this game from someone who isn't a fan of the franchise, so its not his fault, but Sonic fans do this to themselves. Sonic fans need to stop fucking buying the games just to be like "Wow this is bad! I hope the next one is better!" just like the EA sports games, why would they change anything or try at all when people buy it no matter what? I think Sonic Team is partially to blame as well, they just don't know what to do with the games so every new game is something very different and you never know what to expect, and Sega just doesn't care as long as a half finished Sonic game can be pushed out in time for the holidays.
It's sooo good to see an outsider's opinion. Especially the way you judged it. Mechanics and direction are so important and they fumbled. It seems the only ones pleased are the ones who like the spectacle bits and music and basic mindless gameplay. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's so disappointing that this is the standard they're going for.
In contrast, there's a game called Spark The Electric Jester 3 that has some very polished mechanics, art direction, level design, etc. Everything works well together. Story is a bit heavy handed at times though.
The only thing that i like about this game is that someone made some edit where he put the songs of the game in a transformers game and somehow it fit better there than here.
Just to clarify, the reason it wasn't nominated for Soundtrack of the Year is because it came out too late in the year to qualify.
Frankly as a massive nut of the series, the OST is mid at most, the only outstanding part are the 3 Titans' themes
But God of War came out after Sonic Frontiers and win the award
@@Sukaiba69 I literally have the majority of the Cyber Space tracks on my daily playlist. What do you mean mid at most?
Actually it was nominated for best soundtrack by the steam awards of January this year, but it lost to Final Fantasy 7 remake.
@@marcusmayo He said game awards, not steam awards.
I see that your playing on the Switch. That’s probably where most of the glitches are. The grind rail glitch, the collision and environment glitches you show also happen on ps5 but they aren’t as prevalent. But they are definitely annoying when they happen for sure.
Nice to see he's doing well for himself hanging out with awesome friends.
The previous title was a lot better. I honestly really hate this trend of changing the title and/or thumbnail of a video after it’s already been released.
I'm a long time Sonic fan, started with the very first one on Sega Mega Drive, and even though I haven't played Sonic Frontiers I can understand your points here.
Sonic games have been problematic for a looong time and I think I can sum up the problem in one question:
What makes Sonic games Sonic?
When I say Sonic, I can predict what possibly comes to your mind:
- Speed.
- Gotta Go Fast.
- Linear Platforming.
- Time Trials.
- Sonic is the game's main character.
These can be true, but I have experienced a'lot more from other games.
For example exploration and finding secret rooms.
Different robots with Pokedex like background info.
Other characters. (Did you know that Tails has his own games?).
Not to mention that if you check out Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Gems Collection, you'll see that like Mario, Sega has tried different games with Sonic.
End result may not been a success in most cases, but they have been at least interesting experiences.
So I think Sonic is suffering from the similar curse like Bela Lugosi And Sega hasn't been able to find a way out of this.
Most games becoming these very dividing among fans, that has made making the next one more and more problematic.
So hopefully you'll understand why Sonic games are these oddballs, that can be more or less confusing.
Also P.S.
Don't take this as an rant directed against you, Sonic or Sega.
I just wanted to share my point of view with you, since you are new with Sonic games and to give you some picture of series's history.
@Next-GenNeptune Well I have played many other Sonic games, like Sonic Heroes & Shadow the Hedgehog, that are similar with being problematic.
Then I have heard many people talk about this thing many times, some being long time fans and others not being familiar with the series or characters.
Also I'm a long time fan of Sonic series.
I've encountered this topic again and again and again. It's nothing new for me.
Sorry if I was rude in any way here. That was not my purpose here.
@Next-GenNeptune Yes, that's true.
But I have experienced about those things he talks ABOUT Sonic Frontier:
Level Design, story, simplistic combat, unbalanced skills, visual design, boss fights, controls, music, voice acting, glitches and bugs, open world and other things.
@Next-GenNeptune I mean....you have eyes right??? You can see what a good Sonic game likes like when you hear the name *"Sonic"*
Wether he has played Frontiers or not wouldn't charge anything as you'd still say it's a *"Skill issue"* like you've been saying around the comments
Ngl, man. That bit up until the 15 minute mark? I had no idea what you were trying to say. But I got it now.
What you’re saying is that traversing the world, the natural environment apart from the Sonic gimmicks plastered everywhere, should require the use of the play mechanics and require them in a way that is interesting?
And you’re also saying that this environment should be traversable simply using such play mechanics rather than the ugly rails and stuff everywhere?
If that’s what you’re trying to say, I think that could have been a bit clearer.
Wouldn’t say it “FAILS ON EVERY LEVEL” it’s just Average in every category.
@Next-GenNeptunewhat's good about the game???
@@ataladin87the music
@@ataladin87 nobody cares about miserable like you anyway
(sorry in advance for the length lol) A lot of the game's problems ultimately come down to *incredibly situational* constraints the developers had from SEGA's idiotic corpo higher ups. Sonic is a franchise where context matters A LOT for the development cycle of these games because they've never really had the standard AAA budgets (excluding Unleashed) most people perceive that a series as big as Sonic should realistically have (and granted, if they have, then they sure as hell don't do a great job using the budget lmao.) The issue with that though, is that an average gamer who isn't a Sonic fan isn't going to care enough to go out of their way to look up or much less care about said context for games they found unenjoyable in the first place.
The stigma that Sonic fans wanted to change with Frontiers was to showcase to SEGA that they *desperately* need to give Sonic Team a bigger development team, budget, and less marketing deadline constraints. Going from Forces to Frontiers, this is why Sonic fans are being *incredibly* loud about Frontiers being "peak Sonic" because it's the first instance in almost *15 years* where this statement has been relatively close to being true (within the self-contained context of the series as a whole.) It's Sonic fans screaming "SEGA, give us more of this please!" as a way to get them to listen, even if it means ignoring/ shooting down criticisms from people who don't like Frontiers almost altogether. It's like you said, a game like Frontiers has potential, but at the same time, Sonic fans don't want SEGA to try to redefine Sonic AGAIN by ditching Frontiers' gameplay style completely. They tried it with Lost World, failed, then tried to replicate old success with Forces (and we all know how that turned out)
I do understand this sentiment, but I think the fault in encouraging more of this is that they’re also encouraged to make another game that is extremely unpolished and looks unfinished because of low standards.
You can praise the good things while acknowledging that this was not something they should be proud of selling for $60 after 5 years of development. It’s actually more concerning what they’d do with LESS time.
@@Bbyboy777The thing about sonic is that a big portion of sonic fans or audience (Not everyone, keep that in mind) only cares about the character and not games that strongly.
Sonic's character (Design and attitude) is that powerful and despite how poor some games can be. they still can sell in that front because of sonic alone.
But there were exceptions to the rule obviously but still.
@@Tenna5468 i considered myself a Sonic fan, but I do agree that this mindset seems toxic. If Mario did something like this for Odyssey, they’d be clocked.
@@Bbyboy777 Well yeah, that's my entire point. There's a disconnect between SEGA's higher ups and Sonic Team itself that causes these issues to come up in the first place. Forces was a $40 game on launch after only 1.5 years of development, but was beatable in less than a single afternoon despite waiting 3 years between it and Lost World. It ultimately boils down to the ridiculous time and budget restraints SEGA has put on Sonic Team post-Unleashed. The expectation V.S reality of what Sonic fans expect from Sonic Team and what the average consumer expects are radically different *because* of this context entirely.
Like I said, SEGA has been known to make Sonic Team ditch gameplay styles completely when they don't live up to the asinine critical or financial expectations SEGA has. SEGA even considered Frontiers receiving 8/10s from critics a let-down. But Sonic fans get defensive about Frontiers because it's the first game since Generations in 2011 (*twelve years ago*) that has a decent amount of potential to become good if SEGA actually *allows* Sonic Team the time and money needed to realize that potential. Even the 3rd update proved this to be the case (for both good and bad reasons). The financial success of Frontiers, however, has finally allowed Sonic Team to receive the proper restructuring it needs to actually MAKE the kind of game Frontiers *should've* been. It's not that Sonic Team is being encouraged to make a buggy game with even less development time than Frontiers. No sane fan wants that. The fans are simply afraid that SEGA and Sonic Team will listen to the wrong criticisms AGAIN (which is how games like Lost World, Boom, and Forces happened in the first place), so they defend Sonic Frontiers specifically with their whole chest. There's a lot of nuance between Takashi Iizuka VS SEGA higher ups that unfortunately gets overlooked by most people because it's not exactly common knowledge. Of course, there will always be very young and loud fans who defend all the wrong things about Frontiers due to immaturity, but those people do not make up the majority of how Sonic fans actually feel about this game.
It's not a perfect game formula, but it's one that doesn't deserve to get deleted & not further expanded upon because SEGA listened to the wrong criticisms. Again.
Disagree, Sonic Team is also at fault. The Higher ups didn’t force them to make all the Level Design Basic and Automated.
my stance on the game is this: it has flaws however its still pretty fun to play and its a good step in the right direction for sonic for starters i like how they are trying a more serious story after what happened in the 2010s and they finally fixed the characterization for sonic and his friends also sonics overall moveset is pretty fun especally when you unlock the spindash and can fly off of terrain like ramps i also like how they went for a more realistic artsyle this time unlike forces and lost world the music is also really good (no suprise there considering its sonic) one thing they should do for the next game is add a bit more momentum to sonic because outside of the spindash and jump he dosnt really have any overall though id give the game around a 8-9/10 a pretty good attempt however there is still room for improvement and since they said that future sonic games are gonna be built off this game im optomistic
overall if i can summerize frontiers in one sentance id say
its close but not quite there yet.
anyways thanks for lisening to my ted talk lol
Are you sure that 9 out of 10 isn't recency bias
@@sinfulrat287 the games been out for a year
@sometf2player752 it's also been getting content consistently throughout that year to make the game relatively fresh every few months. But now that the game is officially done, do you think it's going to keep the positive reputation or do you think after this honeymoon phase, sonic fans are going to start noticing the problems everyone else is noticing and understanding the big big objective issues with how the game is executed
@@sinfulrat287dont say recency bias, u need to word it better cuz the guy just responded to your claim... which he is 100% correct, its been a year, however u spin it
You have this lazy train wreck of a game your money. Sega has 0 reason to improve due to people like you.
I as a sonic fan since 4 years old agree with everything in this video,I believe we as a community of gamers and sonic fans should hold sega to higher standards and not just shrug it off when they make something bad,sonic was once one of the greatest videogame franchises of all time along with crash,mario,and spyro,it really saddens me to see people being more satisfied with a mediocre game just because it’s only marginally better than the last game
And that's why I decided to get Crash 4 on Steam around the time Frontiers came out.
Maybe to you it's mediocre but others don't think so maybe there's a reason why this game is so beloved..and no... it's not slightly better than forces I would say massively better than forces people are happy because this game is actually good and aeons better than forces not slightly.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to expect to people to dislike the game just because you don't like it.. because the game is objectively good otherwise... it wouldn't had so many positive receptions in the first place
one must imagine sonic fan happy
21:14 Hold up, was that a Let's Drown Out reference?
Oh no, bro, you're criticizing a Sonic game that scored above a 70 on Metacritic, the fanbase is going to be pissed.
Honestly, I agree. Even as someone who enjoyed the game a lot more than most of the recent titles, I believe frontiers has its problems. It has some issues that need ironing out. With that being said, I do still enjoy the game even with its flaws. Frontiers is definitely a step in the right direction for sonic, but if sega want to make a game that people will cherish for years to come, they need to keep the steps coming.
You didn't mention any flaws thus you're lying about it
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775weird logic
yeah and fire is hot, like no shit sherlock what you just said can be applied to almost any video game ever lmao.
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 that makes no sense 💀 the video literally explains the flaws, and the commenter agreed with the fact that the flaws the video said are valid. Thus, the commenter wasn't lying about it lol
Part of the story's problem is the presentation of the cutscenes. For whatever reason, post Unleashed stuff such as how characters move, the shots, and other aspects just get worse and worse until we reach this game where its literally just models standing and talking with not much movement. As a result its like you placed modern hd models on top of a skeleton from a ps1 fmv model and kept the cutscenes the same
It's crazy how Sonic unleashed had cutscenes that were so high quality, the main opening to be more specific, literally looks like a movie.
Yet with frontiers which came out in a year where there isn't much limitations......turned out to disappoint so much.
@@SMD965OFFICIAL With limitations reached, people usually lean towards what's easiest for some reason. TBP just did a video on Bully explaining how triple A games nowadays are funneled down to a specific select few genres of games (not counting remakes which is its own category)
The custcenes of this game has to be one of the worst ones of the entire series existence.
@@ataladin87 You're telling me that characters standing around and yapping to each other isn't good cutscenes? They do it in realistic games, how does it not work for freakishly giant headed cartoon animals with 0 expressions
@@thejedisonic67 did Unleashed and 06 do this???.
Or did they actually move with expression while discussing problems.
In Frontiers the custcenes are used for what?? Tea and chit chat instead of solving the problem the game asks about.
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 have been the only 3D Sonic games that I have enjoyed (though to be fair I haven't played all of them). Sonic 06 was the closest thing to a Sonic Adventure 3 we'll ever get and we all know how that went, so I've pretty much given up on Sonic at this point.
I don't want sega to make a sonic adventure 3, they no longer have the talent and I don't want to see the boosting formula either, we need old sega team back for that to happen. The only thing I'd say most agree on is modern sonic games still has some great music
You enjoyed them BCS they are very short and easy unlike frontiers, sonic 06 is decent and that is from someone that has played it and watched many gameplays of it, you're giving up BCS of you're desires
@@DatBoiRatchetthe boost formula is 1 of the greatest things sonic has it doesn't make the games bad YOU just make them bad
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 agreed, the boost formula saved Sonic from the mess that was 06.
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 the boost formula was good until sonic generations after that we have seen how problematic the boost formula has become look a sonic forces where all you do his hold the x button and let sonic have at it or developers complaining they have to produce all this work for one level just for a blue hedgehog to run through it in a matter of seconds.
The thing with Sonic, you have to understand where this fanbase is coming from in order to understand why this game got such praise
From a beat up wife in a toxic relationship?
@@JuanPablo-su6vw
I guess you could say it like that because of the quality of Sonic games we've been getting we have such low standards so anything that's above average is like a shining Jewel in our books
Why do you people keep making excuses as to why we like the game? We like the game because we like the game? Do you see anyone saying its a masterpiece?
@@TheGamerRist Yes, people made videos calling it a "masterpiece" or a "flawed sense of brillence" and even twitter calling it a 9/10 or 10/10 experience. One outlet gave it a 9/10 being close to it.
@@nerodoesart5886 Okay yeah some do but even then does that matter to you? Let them enjoy it
Its good to see J and TBP still sticking around
I think the thing that confuses me most about the game is just how many systems and mechanics they put in when I think anyone with a few minutes of play time could tell you something was off with all of them. I get that this is a thing with almost every Sonic Team game but someone really needs to reign the team in from just haphazardly making a bunch of mechanics and get them to focus on a couple that they know they can reasonably polish up and make a game around. This game feels and looks like a tech demo and it's honestly a miracle that it did so well despite that.
It did well because of the state the Sonic franchise is in. As much as you want, you really can't take Sonic games as Triple A titles. Ever since Sonic Colors, Sonic games started having a limited budget and simplistic design. So simple in fact that you can say even other older platformers were more complex. I think that Sonic Team started shrinking its scope for future Sonic games because they wanted to please the fanbase. It kinda worked with games like Colors and Generations, but then even the fans grew tired of this simplicity. The point is that Sonic games nowadays have a lesser scope in terms of complexity and production to avoid the huge risks that could permanently kill the franchise, considering that 2 previous risks did severe damage to it. Frontiers honestly can't be compared to other Triple A games because of the minimal scope approach Sega uses. As a fan, I can say this game is a step in the right direction for the Franchise, it just needs a bigger budget and production time.
@@martinaguiluz4063Next game should be made initially on next gen consoles and PC so there's nothing like that texture pop-in.
I feel like the uniqueness of frontiers soundtrack is what makes it good, ragnarok reminds me of every film score to ever exist without a single doubt lol so monotonous it becomes utterly obnoxious. The score carried frontiers tho lol
Compared to other Sonic OSTs, its very indistinct
I'd dare anyone to hear a Cyberspace track and be able to tell me which one it belonged to, aside from 1-2
Even the Island themes are not that far off from background movie hum, except maybe Chaos Island
For a Sonic game I think Frontiers is very generic, It's one of the only Sonic games where I'd say the OST isn't the strong point
@@HughAverageHomoMan There is literally no techno in frontiers at all. The main theme, "Vandalize", and boss themes aside from the track "I'm With You" are not even rock. They fall under metal, the boss themes falling in the metalcore genre with a healthy mix of screamo. "Vandalize" and "I'm Here" are emo rock lol. The cyber space stages are primarily DnB and Jungle. But there's also a Jersey Club song (3-5), Electrostep song (4-1), an unexpected Happy Hardcore song with a mix of dub/electrostep (3-6), believe there's a couple of songs that would fall into or sound like Trance anyway. Hell the DLC has a level that's fucking Speedcore. Which is wild and very far out from what is usually in Sonic in general. There's several different genres in the game and to say that nothing soudns unique is a flat out retarded take and irks me as a musician. Hell would irk a layman reading that bad take.
@@Sukaiba69 L take
@@HughAverageHomoMan this wasn't bait. You can't generalize the music and talk about a genre that doesn't even exist in the OST. You were just caught lacking brain wrinkles and called out for being a turbotard. Sorry.
That shit is fun as hell tho
Fun is subjective. I personally found this game extremely tedious and jank.
@@HOTD108_ I had some fun with the game, but it died after a while. I do agree that it is tedious and janky, which is the entirety of Frontiers.
I really love the movement of Frontiers (especially with jump deceleration turned off) you can have a lot of fun just running around the open world, even if you have nothing to do. (More than I can say about botw)
@Next-GenNeptune there is barely any difference on playing on the switch or ps5
@@feeplemurphy4618 are you saying that frontiers is more fun than breath of the wild? if that so you only like sonic games lmao
20:16 I mean, Sonic appeared in Dr. Slump, which takes place in the same world as Dragon Ball, soooo...
TBP face reveal is crazy didn't expect that
He's shown his face before a few videos back. Though I get it if this is your first time seeing his face here
@@thenumenfrompacland9491 relatively new to the channel & i mostly listen in podcast format but thank you tho
I would like to see you make a video on starlink battle for atlas on the switch. Since you like open world games as well as star fox. A question could be is starlink a good star fox game or can an open world star fox game works.
Also there is a completely digital version on the eshop so you don't need to buy the physical toys.
Comment section bouta be lit up, good luck my man 🫡
Sonic femboys and fangirls about to be mad 😂
Pretty easy to do when they're also the ones who brought the gasoline
What sucks is that you can definitely see Sonic Team had a clear vision with this game but due to SEGA’s constant strict limitations, it keeps causing Sonic Team to fall behind and it sucks since Frontiers tries to be something big and more.
Clear vision where? Its open world, with out of place sonic stuff sprinkled in, still enforces dumb 2d sections especially in the lava island and it really feels weird and dumb as he SHOULD be able to move anywhere and I often was running around, accidentally hit a speed pad and got stuck in those 2d sections.
And the minigames and extra activities, what the ass happened, they have zero creativity, step on light pannels, HOLD R2, touch a light.
This game is such a mess with zero direction.
@@randomenvelope Exactly, what is be blabbering on about
@@JM57-99 I wouldnt even say that, it has no vision, it has zero direction, they just pulled crap from other games that are popular, and when it comes to sonic stuff, they just remade stuff from generations and forces, some parts of the virtual world stages, are literally directly from generations but shortened, its horrible.
It had about as much vision as a headless mole.
@JYA-Manu-7 wheres the vision? Cuz its just really cluttered, they didnt know what to do with sonic, you think open world sonic would be a slam dunk but they made linear sonic rails and paths scattered around and you can just skip that shit and only play the big minigame and get lvl 99 in everything super fast making all the "sonic" stuff useless
If its "clear" vision was open world, why isnt it open world? Why is it littered with out of place rails and paths floating randomly? Whats up with all the weird too simplistic minigames just to create more clutter for the world?
Where is the vision?
Its clear to you, you must tell me, what was sonic frontiers supposed to be?
@@JM57-99 I think if they want to make a open world game, make a open world game, dont make a kinda open world game with old sonic stuff in it because you have no vision on what to do with the open world.
They didnt make loops or anything in the worlds themselves, they just made a world, and added old sonic platforming in it and it clashes poorly I feel.
I dont think you can fix it as it would mean removing the clutter which the whole game is about.
They would have to start anew and ditch the sonic stages, make something new.
Jesus, Bacon looks just like me if i grew in the next years
no, not at all, in fact, he looks beautiful@Next-GenNeptune
I actually wondered about Sonic holding the sword. Isn't it possible that he is using some sort of telekinesis to wield it? In the game we see sonic use that to turn some statues with some effect on his hand. If that was the intention, could they not have just put that same effect on Super Sonic and the sword and recolored it to get the message across? Either they were just lazy or SEGA really was screwing them over that badly in terms of budget and time.
I find Sonic adventure to 06 to Shadow the hedgehog to Sonic P06 to be the most enjoyable Sonic titles bugs and all(except p-06 no bugs in that)
I haven’t watched the video yet but looking at the description I question the ethics of firends forcing you to play a Sonic game
i mean the game it self seems alright, but never 60€ worth of a game. if it was at a 75+% discount then sure i could consider getting it
As a game, I'd say its ok. Nothing really that special about it on the surface when you're looking at it without the Sonic mindset. I do find the medal collecting, no matter how tedious they can be to get, extremely addicting and satisfying, as well as completing it 100%. Like I played this game several times and I could never get tired of it.
Could the game be better? YES. Most definitely. I'd say that with a lot of Sonic games. But in my honest opinion, its decent in what it is.
Decent? You must be a new sonic fan I bet you're one of those guys who favour sonic 2 over sonic unleashed
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 What kind of non-arguement is that? "I like blank, therefore I must like *blank* over *blank* more."
I've been a Sonic fan for years now. Did I say the game was amazing or peak Sonic? No. All I said was it was ok/decent without viewing it through a Sonic mindset. Try again.
the game is AMAZING there is no sonic game like frontiers and thats a fact, no which is bad bcs if you look at a franchise then you gotta look at that franchise and not to any other franchise only and yes you view the game through a hater mindset@@jordanboyd5587
*"without the Sonic mindset"*
No wonder people are quick to accept this Garbage ass disgrace of a game. How can you enjoy Sonic....without the *"Sonic mindset!?!?"* Why even invest in that character???.
@@ataladin87 Either you misunderstood my point, or you're intentionally being disingenuous with what I said. Judging by how you're acting in the replies to other comments, I'd say the ladder.
When I said "without the Sonic mindset", I mean without Sonic *bias.*
Your intro just inspired me to go fry some bacon.
Not asking for a request for a video, but for great sandbox games, have you ever
Played sunset overdrive?
I’m not the author but I really dig Sunset Overdrive, it’s way older than Frontiers and nails the open world platforming style with grace in comparison, since the world feels distinct and cohesive in counterpart. Not to mention how even the movement feels smoother too.
Heck, they managed to implement grinding almost anywhere and these splines don’t feel out of place most of the time, you’re pretty much playing with the whole scenery at times, wish Frontiers didn’t feel tacked on like that
Cool video! I don’t think calling people “delusional” for comparing the game to MGR:R is 100% fair but regardless, I agree with some of the points made in this video.
@Next-GenNeptune I think you misunderstood. I said that “I agree with some of the points made in this video.” The keyword being SOME here. I guess that’s my fault for not specifying what those points were though.
@Next-GenNeptuneLeave
SPICY today, aren’t we?
Like your videos but I disagree about Sonic Frontiers.
This game is fun!
As someone who likes this game too i can easily underatand why he and others don't like it,it feels like a good idea for a new kind of sonic that's just slowly fixing problems in the series like the characters and such,its like zelda botw in a way,like botw's open not being used very well with most things u find being seeds and shrines,and saw how tears of the kingdon pretty much fixed every problem botw had,so i think frontiers is 6-6.5/10 that has good things that need a sequel to fix it's problems,which will be easier sense sonic team now has a established new ki d of sonic,a new engine for the current consoles,and the characters like tails have returned to a nice possession,so yeah i don't agree with people who don't like this game,but also ones who love it to hell and say it's one of the best sonic gqmes cause recenty bias and or cause their used to low quality with this series,but hey superstars looks promising and original
A game can be fun without it being well made or polished. Just like you can have fun roaming in an unfinished Sonic fan game, which is what this felt like.
WHY'S it fun though???.
How can 1 sit down as and say it's fun???
@@Bbyboy777except I don't visual see Frontiers as beeing *"Fun"*
@@ataladin87 I enjoyed my time with the game as a whole.
The only bit SEGA missed the mark on was making the Final Horizon DLC too hard because people kept complaining about the difficulty.
King K the goat
He definitely is.
His Frontiers review was one of the best.
I related with it a lot.
When I got to the titan bosses I felt no emotions.
when you play games like Metal Gear Rising, Bayonetta, Nier: Automata, Final Fantasy 16, Devil may cry and even God of War, these titan fights pale in comparison to those games that are hwavily.combat focused.
Same here.
Well I can give three reason as to why.
1. Jank sometimes the camera is really odd and you would sometimes clip through the titan ruining immersion
2. Lack of full on spectacle, while yeah your fighting a giant beast they don't really do nothing besides fire projectile or swing at you and their isn't any spectacle in the cutscenes and qte.
3. Lack of difficulty, assuming you didn't level up your rings, you have 400 seconds to beat a boss and your immortal do you their isn't much to adapt to besides parrying. The bosses don't challenge you in anyways that's tense and skillful and their second phases don't offer anything new or dynamic to the fight leaving it rather pale
Not reeeeaaally the game to sell you the series on, tbh
YO that is an elite meetup
Nightmare blunt rotation
0:54 Aren't they the same people who completely hate Ratchet & Clank series ? except maybe Consumerism The Game.
Watching this video as a fan who considers Frontiers to be the top 1 Sonic game was really interesting. First off, just wanna say, this video was presented and scripted really well to give the game a fair shot. There is a few instances where there is a noticeable lack of research but overall this video was made well enough.
Anyhow, your thoughts on the story: I honestly fully agree with most of your points on it, but I do think you looked at some points in too much of a linear fashion. Quick example would be your statement about how Sage and Eggman don't really add anything plot wise, and yeah, in this 1 game basis, them being here wouldn't have mattered, but it matters a shit ton in the grand scheme of things. When people praise Frontiers story, most of us don't really care about the whole backstory or the evil god demon, but we are more so glad about the Status quo finally changing. Your point of "This story isn't really that good unless Sonic is all you play" is actually a great expression. Eggman and Sage don't add anything plot wise, but seeing the old doctor actually form a bond with a new original character felt incredibly refreshing.
Moving on to your points about the controls/the combat system: from a casual player perspective, I fully agree that the systems feel either too robotic, too easy or too dumbed down to have any real substance, but the beauty is unironcally in the jank. It's like SSBM, the game is only mechanically rich because 80% of the depth comes from pure jank and unintended physics behavior that the devs left in for fun. You brought up the fact that rails don't interact with the speed you had before touching them, but they actually do if they are slightly slanted downwards. A fun thing I like to do is Spin dash into a rail I know is slightly angled downwards, then power boost jump (since that also keeps your momentum) then right before I hit the ground by a few frames, I buffer a spin dash to keep the speed going. Another huge example is Chaos Island. On my first playthroughs it was a boring 2D fest with way overly complicated ways to traverse through its various sections, with the janky ground making fly all over the place...but once you know how the launching works, you open up Pandora's box and can just skip over the tedious 2D and whatnot. This is why I also heavily disagree with your point that the stages feel disconnected from the actual Sonic object stuff, because once you master the weird parts of it, it all just clicks. Random cliffs that before randomly stopped you from progressing become launch pads and opportunities to do some really fun skips. Thing is, none of this was intentional, but the fans loved that shit so much that in Update 2 (released in June 23rd) added an option to remove the deceleration while jumping (from both open zone and cyberspace), pretty much making those high level skips accessible to everyone. Add that with the spin dash, and everything just...works. The islands no longer become empty sandboxes with a bunch of mini levels, they become full on playgrounds where not a single object is truly out of reach. As for the combat, the fun part isn't trying to be stylish or to gain points, but to speedrun that shit. Like, yeah, could you just use the Sonic boom attack to win every encounter? True, you could, and you proved it, but you can also beat every enemy in the Arkham games by just repeatedly countering, or just running away, getting a stealth kill, get caught then repeat. The fun isn't the actual difficulty, but rather how fast you can clear out a room. Finding out individual strats for every enemy was really fun and seeing just how fast I can nuke over an entire room. Now, you could argue that this is a pointless argument to make since the game never rewards you for this...but it does. Granted, its post game content, but there is a time attack where you have to fight every single enemy type in the game back to back to back, so knowing how everything works is crucial to winning during these fights.
One last thing: about the visual design, the Switch version removed a lot of the ATD that you asked for. Like the whole "just make sonic make markings in the sand during the Shark chase" is a thing in every other version, and the environmental pop in is also a cause of the switch version. Though, that being said, the object pop in is just as bad in all the other versions. Hell, Update 3's new content has some HORRENDOUS pop in that's even worse than the main game lmao.
Anyway, great video, was a lot of fun watching it.
Well, it was from someone who isn't that big of a fan of Sonic, so yeah. Their not going to do a lot of research of it, but also he had friends who knows more about Sonic that he was playing with.
To be fair, i see all your points, watched a friend play this because i stream on twitch with them and it does seem like it's a little wonky in story and gameplay.
HOWEVER, sonic the franchise fumbles the ball every now and then,
It's such an issue where fans are usually iffy on new releases, especially with the writing from the last few games, ESPECIALLY FORCES, many consider it an improvement
@Next-GenNeptune i meant i get where he's coming from as a neutral party.
he is right about sonic being something more for long time fans. i've been following the games more from a historical stand point, as in history of the makings of, releases, and general opinions of the fans, as a sort of historian rather than a long time fan (history of different types of entertain is excited to me). and thats coming from a Nintendo guy who played some of the later stuff
Aswell as having a friend who knows the series like the back of his hand, and he found some points of the game to be not all that great himself, and i even tried to give some suggestions to figure out some puzzles that were too cryptic.
im just saying as a neutral party, because the sonic fandom can be pretty divided at times, arguably more than other fandoms, like an observation, seeing both sides without a bias...if that makes sense.
@michaelboydston313 it's alright bro, you don't have to play the game to have an opinion when you can see with the eyes you were fortunate to be able to use that Frontiers isn't worth the hassle.
@michaelboydston313 this *"haven't played the game"* argument our dear friend above is making is a mere stallin tactic he made because he has no legit points to further his claims of knowing what a good Sonic game is and he has no good valid points as to why Frontiers is as good as they claim it to be
@@ataladin87 I more meant I don't have an opinion on the game itself as I've not played it, I was more speaking about the reception of the game, due to the weird nature of the Sonic fandom divide.
I'm not saying the game is good nor bad, I'd need to play the game itself to make an actual opinion.
Just a heads up.
In the old Archie comics, they were actually evolved animals that were the result of an alien weapon.
Tails' extra tail is a result of this as well, and is addressed in a side story where a bunch of birds are angry because they believe only birds should be able to fly.
So yes, you are correct that they're effectively mutants.
UNLEASH THE ARCHERS REFERENCE YEAAAAAH go listen to Apex and Abyss albums back to back NOW
It’s very interesting seeing people discuss Frontiers because of how different their opinions often are
As a long time Sonic fan I enjoyed it but it left me wanting a bit more, they have a good idea just not executed well enough.
I'm glad to see you doing well as someone who thought you just went off the internet after your other channel.
@Next-GenNeptune I mean the video is cool I guess.
One thing for damn sure is sega needs a new engine, they really need to outsource the engine going forward, I think a sequel to frontiers developed in Unreal Engine 5 would fix so many issues, because the biggest issue I had with the game was the lack of polish visual, I don't remember any sonic game in the hedgehog engine looking this terrible. they tried to develop an open world game in a engine that wasn't built or designed around that concept. The obviously had a extremely low budget.
This is Hedgehog Engine 2
Dude..wtf.. what's wrong with hedgehog engine 2? That engine works very well
Prepare for a minefield of a comment section.
@@AgentClank04It hasn't even been half an hour since the video released wtf
@@cjgg4885 hey now, I saw that “Admit you didn’t like it” comment 💀
@@Koalalover70 What
@@cjgg4885 what?
@@Koalalover70What does your comment mean
Something I wonder about is how come no one compares Sonic Frontiers to Mario Odyssey? I feel that would be just as valid of a comparison since both are open world/'zone' platformers.
You could but i don't see that comparison working in the favor of frontiers at all.
that would be unfair since Mario odyssey is an actual finished game unlike frontiers
I always wonder if this wasn't a sonic game people would care. I guess this is how somewhat with no love or hate to the franchise would saw this game snd I agree. Take sonic out of the game and you get an insult to game development almost bigger than a buggy mess
@Next-GenNeptuneno, no really.
@Next-GenNeptune When some popular ip like halo, need for speed, assasins creed or wathever realese a game that at best is a 7 out 10, the fans would never said “well this is crap but at least you did your best try dev team of biggest franchise ever, at least this could be the base for when you get it right next time in 8 years, let go for McDonald’s” they ‘ll say “what it this? I paid 60 dollars for a just all right game? After years of mediocrity this you best? 10 years have past since your last game influenced the word, I have made a live since then and you are still in the same hole. Go back to the kitchen dev team, don’t make me get your other eye purple”
@@JuanPablo-su6vwliterally you just described assassins creed unity and halo infinite which were notorious flops but the fanbase defend them
@@maydaymemer4660 Dude... 343 get astronomically amount of hate compared to sonic team. Everyone has his fanboy but in this franchise, that the majority
For me I think Sonic Frontiers was focused on the Cyber Levels especially. I think that was what they really dedicated most of the time to but just as it was with other Sonic games, those kind of levels weren't enough and they needed something to make the game longer and worth the price. Fans have been yelling that open world sonic could work because this or that fangame did it so they added it here. I think the story has been better than their last few in the games but it seems to be a victim to the open world by being sliced up so much and not being long enough to explain things for newer people playing Sonic. Sonic is known for his adventures being mostly ones you can join in at anytime barring Adventure 1 to maybe Shadow the Hedgehog which all kinda tie together. The talk of the ancients in this seem to call back to the older lore but for new fans they don't really have a reason to care.
Nah sorry, no shot
You'd think if the Cyber Levels were so important, they would have more than 3 themes reused ad nauseum
And SPECIALLY, you'd think their level layouts would be unique, but nearly all of them are just portions recycled from levels of other Boost games
no just no
yeah no the game was not focused on the cyberspace levels at all they only added them later in deveopment
@@sometf2player752 They added the majority of the platforming late into development.
@@Sukaiba69 Most of them are original actually. Even some of the ones that are just older levels will have some bits of geometry that are thrown in that is original sections so the level can flow better if it had some mechanic that just isn't in Frontiers. Also the fact that the levels are open and you can just jump off the side of them it leads into some nice level skips and other routes that just isn't possible in the original game the reused levels come from. 1-7 is nuts with the skips you can do and it's just City Escape. Makes City Escape an actual good level.
Interesting perspective there.
To me, I think that, even if the game is what you said, it's the kind of game Sonic needs more than ever to not be reliant on constant classic series nostalgia. To a Sonic fan, this game REALLY hits all the right notes Forces constantly missed that even Bubsy hits properly (and yes, I'd sooner play The Woolies Strike Back over Forces since TWSB doesn't set my expectations and throw them down the drain, and considering Forces seemed like a big game, a 6/10 Sonic game is always inferior to a 5/10, or even a 4/10, Bubsy game). And for certain, Sonic Frontiers serviced the fans better than Crash 4 or modern Paper Mario did.
If I can suggest a game that's Frontiers done right, play Kirby and the Forgotten Land. As far as I had experienced, the game is VERY fun and relaxing to play while feeling polished.
Crash 4?
@@dmclsl03 It's About Time
The Forgotten Land isn't trying to do what this game is at all. It's a standard level-to-level action platformer with the scope that GameCube games could handle. It's more like Super Mario 3D World anything else. Not a good comparison.
@@AkameGaKillfan777true. But here's the thing, they were released in the same year.
Sonic Frontiers and also had spectacle.
If Kirby and the Forgotten Land is able to create alive-feeling worlds, then Sonic Frontiers should be able to do the same too. Not to mention, it manages to tell an easily understandable story without forgetting Kirby's own roots.
I have to disagree. Sonic Frontiers fails in a lot of areas. Sonic standards are very low, so even the smallest thing will make starved fans say "THIS IS PEAK RIGHT HERE! LOOK GUYS WE'RE EATING GOOD!"
Origami King and especially Crash 4 (the new one, not Wrath of Cortex) have been much better received in their respective fandoms.
And I also completely disagree comparing Frontiers to Kirby and the Forgotten Land. Forgotten Land was Kirby's full transition to 3D platforming that attempted to answer the question "how do we transition a character like Kirby to 3D?". It wasnt trying to reinvent anything. It was just expanding what Kirby can do, without feeling like a rough draft. It's a Kirby game through and through.
Okay to be Devils Advocate here..... NieR Automata also had a Final Boss that was different Mechanically, but that was genuinely beautifully done
Any reason you keep changing the title
In a nutshell it honestly feels like Sonic Frontiers is Nier Automata with Sonic painted over it
Someone would probably understand but most people would probably seethe at my statement
Isn’t Nier Automata consider good?
@@Frank-zb7zhGOOOD that game was more than good lmfao
You went full Jim Sterling, man.
Never go full Jim Sterling.
Nothing wrong with Jim Sterling.
Jim Sterling is the worst@@SQGReviewShow
@@crestofhonor2349Nah, nothing wrong with that person.
TBP will force you to play Sonic , but will cook and do clean up afterward. Wedding material there 👌
I watched this video, and if I'm being honest, I got the feeling you took the whole "peak gaming" meme way too seriously going in
That's not to say your video was without any valid takes (the infinite Parry comes to mind as a genuine point against the games favor, I really don't know why something like that just wasn't an option/side effect of the Easy mode. And Jesus, that Chaos Island jank.....)
But parts where combat is just Sonic Boom spam and Bigs Fishing skipping certain aspects of the game is bad honestly led me to believe that you were just looking to get to the end just to say you beat it, and can talk about it. Takes like this honestly reek of something like "Playing DOOM 2016 with just the pistol" or "05 God of War is Square Square Triangle" type of energy
It's not much of a secret you're not a Sonic guy, and that's perfectly fine. I wasn't until like, 2013, when I caved and gave Generations a shot on PC, and I wound up loving it, and eventually the rest of the series. But that just raises the question of why even play this at all? That's like getting a Last Of Us fan to review a fighting game. Just doesn't make any sense
Oh no there are actually people who think this is peak gaming
@@trashboat5388 If that's true, yikes
I love Frontiers, but whoever's saying its peak gaming REALLY needs to refine their tastes....
@@lilsoonerfaninmo Theres this dbag in the comments of a bunch of videos of people criticizing the dlc gassing up this mid ass game. When people complain about how the shitty level design and boss design of the dlc he'll either say skill issue or gas up how the game is only for try hards like himself (even though there's an option to skip the platforming and the bosses literally die in two hits when you figure out what the fuck you are supposed to do).
@@lilsoonerfaninmo Mother 1/Earthbound on the NES is peak gaming for me, so don't tell me anything about taste. Quality in art is made up.
"But parts where combat is just Sonic Boom spam"
And how exactly is this not a valid complaint? It's awful game design if you're immediately given a move that destroys majority of the enemies. And besides Phantom Rush, all of the Skills in Frontiers are just spammable cutscenes that require no effort at all.
You should analyze Xenoblade series.
Maaaan I love XB 1 and 2 still need 3
At least this is a good delay for J since his next video, which is supposed to be released today, isn’t out today, and I have to go to Mexico for vacation tomorrow.
As someone who likes this game, though I don't agree with everything you said I do have to agree on some of your points like the presentation.
Will you cover Project 06?
That's a bit of a stretch
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