The Slow Death Of Volition | What The Hell Happened?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- It was on August 31st 2023 when I what's going on my lunch break at work and hopped on Twitter, only to see that volition was trending, I feared I knew the reason why, and indeed I was proven correct in my prediction, as it was announced effective immediately volition inc, the creators of such things as dissent, Saints row, and Red faction would be shutting down. join me today as an outsider looking in at what killed volition. Many will tell you that volition software's downfall was as a direct result of the failure of the Saints row reboot, and there is a lot of Truth to that. But to me, The story goes much deeper than that. Saints row was merely the final, and the largest nail in the coffin which seal to their fate. But the signs had been there for quite a while.
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For the record, this is not meant as a thorough investigation into the inner workings of Volition, this is a speculative opinion piece.
I actually...disagree about the problem being that the original Third Street Saints were necessarily played out. The problem, and this is why I would have told them a reboot was dumb, was that "You guys have done all you can with the 'let's mock Grand Theft Auto' bit. The ending of 4 is the perfect set-up to transition into targeting Sassy Credo."
@@Volvagia1927what is sassy credo
@@Nixus237 One of Yahtzee's colloquial names for Assassin's Creed?
I just saw the Saints Row reboot at Walmart for 20 bucks, like a 70% discount, and I still passed on it.
Only reason I bothered to play it is because I got it for free. Take it from me; you ain't missing shit. The gameplay is not the greatest and just barely passable, but it's the characters and writing that bring it down so hard.
I just bought it from Gamestop for 5 bucks brand new. I'm willing to give it a short for the price of only a little more than a burger from McDonalds.
Holy heck MDs has gone way up in price the last couple years. One double cheeseburger is over 4 bucks now!
@@EarthboundXI've been making my own burgers to dodge paying ridiculous prices.
Playing as Twitter kids isn't worth $1.
Still better then cybershit 2077
always good to remember games are made by people, not companies. while that recent saints row game had the name “volition” on the box, it wasn’t the team of people that made the original games you enjoyed. they can legally use the name of the series & legally use the name of the developer, but that ultimately means nothing.
These Companies think they can just Buy a Name and IP thinking they dont need the Talent that MADE it. They treat it as a Skin you can just slap on something else and call it good. This is what happens when you do just that.
Saints row 2 being one of, if not my favorite game of all time made it even more depressing to think about the downward spiral this series went through. Apart from all of the things that saints row as a series went through Id say that the beef they kept trying to have also made companys image fall in my eyes at least.
Red faction armageddon is what happened. They made a game where you could destroy any building, and then set 98% of the game underground and the 2% fun part was locked behind an OUTRAGEOUS pay wall. Laziness and greed killed volition.
And both of those stemmed from upper management at both THQ and Deep Silver/Embracer.
@@agudgorlif I remember correctly on a dev stream they talked about how one of the higher-ups demanded aliens be the central focus
The reason why volition declined so much stems from thq bankruptcy and them rushing the development of saints row 4
No it was saints row the third and IV honestly Red faction is part of it too it’s just in the sense of you made a fanbase of these games and especially with saints row rather than listen to them you listen to the fanboys of ya competitor and market trends etc you know why call of duty is somewhat back since 2019 they listened to what people wanted ion even think people hate activision for gaming reasons anymore other reason yeah they went the EA route with out EA money this is what happens when you make market trend games they would be at Saints row 7 atp while rockstar dig they’re own grave and lose they’re fanbase they took all this time worryin about rockstar that rockstar screw themselves over cuz if you know this you know why madden and games like that are bad is because there no competition when there’s no competition that’s threatening you’re number 1 Spot this is what happens you see call of duty up to battlefield 1 n maybe 5 FIFA Madden since 2006 2k to an extent since they took NBA Lives place MLB 2k you have no competition why try
@@k96man
Exactly my point, it's upper management killing these studios and turning these games with great potential into steaming piles of garbage.
They insult the fans over and over again. Then they need wonder why the fans won't buy their game.
There's a video by MattMcMuscles that details what happened with the production of Saints Row 2022, but basically the game began development in 2017 and It was rebooted a couple of times and in the end they had to get the game out by 2022
Those tales rarely end well.
Also didn't help that they were losing employees by the day.
The new Saints row....I just slapped my head in disbelief how anyone thought that would be a good idea, granted even if the story and characters was not the developers idea and was forced in...the game was still not good. Again and i do say this a lot.....i am willing to think that the people at the ground level knew this was a bad idea but the management pushed the thing forward
I’ll confess, I know everyone hate the idea of “teenagers wage a war against corporate giants” but it is rather relatable nowadays, especially when people prefer piracy…
I kinda wished for a game that involves neutral type of rivals being sexist who believed in Ryan Goslings-like cringed attitude…with Lyndon McLeod as their inspiration.
@fernie-fernandez It could have Worked, but the whole idea that they Turn to Merc Work, and then Crime to pay off Student Loans was just to stupid. It could have been maybe a Joke added on, or maybe just the reason for one of the Members, but I could not get behind that as the Reason to Form the Saints.
13:07 Back to theyr roots? This was a middle finger for both the fans of the original and the fans of the third game. The anouncement was horrible and the community manager of the game was literally calling the fans that complained about it "Haters"
Embracer Group may have doomed the video game industry. They were buying as many studios as possible to look attractive to Saudi investors. When that deal fell through, they were in massive debt and had to cull as much of their new assets as they could. This may cause a ripple effect where other investors get cold feet and pull ojt of other deals, causing the cycle to repeat.
While short term this may suck, I think Long Term it will be a good thing. They will have to go back to getting Talent that can actually make Good Games again, instead of just taking who ever checks the Right Boxes, but it will take some time still.
@@nobalkain624 Or more likely, they'll just have to close down at some point and declare bankruptcy.
@theobell2002 I am not sure if an Investment Group can Declare Bankruptcy.
I remember reading that somewhere in the middle east, a company invested a ton of cash into Embracer Group (which is the parent company of as it was known, Deep Silver).
A large sum was planned to be invested, but soon enough they realised that wasn't profiteable at a long run or wasn't worth at all due to probably their reputation, so they end up cancelling the offer a year later or so.
This was around before and after the reboot of Saints Row was released. That might explain ithis game whole existence, to appeal investors but it didn't pay off.
Later, Embracer Group went into that re-structuration process looking how rough things were inside the company. Studios were shut down, people were moved here and there, etc.
If Embracer Group didn't took that investment, they would have probably still be in business and continuing milking the franchise alongside other Volition IPs.
The Saudis aren’t down for the progressive social messaging of Saints Row & Gearbox. Kinda ironic imho how that deal fell through
The Saudis don't support the progressive nonsense
Part of that is embracer group went buy everything happy and didn’t had money to pay anyone in the end.
@@captaincrunch1707 Nah, I don't think they care about the the progressive messages at all, as long as there is safe return.
They aren't the ones consuming what they invest in, it's the result that matters at the end but Embracer Group wasn't a safe bet.
They currently have stock in several gaming companies.
@@captaincrunch1707 Nah... with people like that, their morals begin and end with "Will this make me money?"
One thing that always upset me about volition was that they couldn't remaster saints row 2 or rerelease it because they apparently lost the code for the game and would have had to start from scratch
Been playing The Finals recently and the destruction tech in that game reminded me of Red Faction Guerrilla in all of the very best types of ways. RFG is easily one of my favorite games of the 7th gen console generation, so seeing Volition close up shop stings even if they were a far cry from what they once were. RIP.
Glad somebody mentioned this. The fast paced fps genre might not be Bacon's cup of tea but the destructible environments in this play test have been incredibly fun.
Had an amazing experience playing the SR reboot (after receiving it free through PSN) - an early story mission had a game breaking glitch and it was literally impossible to finish! Bravo.
That last part is true deep silver js the reason for the downfall of the company, there are so so so many videos online detailing behind the scenes on how terrible deep silver is as a publishe, And even to this day they're doing it terrible job Just look at the launch of Payday 3
It's like the LJN of our time...and we don't need more Laughing Joking Numbnuts.
I remember hearing years ago when the original Dead Island 2 was just being discussed how crap Deep Silver were. I think I even remember Totalbiscuit talking about it.
I wonder how much different it would have been if THQNordic got them instead of Deep Silver, since it was a publisher direction issue. THQNordic has kept some older games going and brought discontinued IPs back to critical acclaim (Destroy All Humans).
They brought the Spongebob platformers back, too, and did a pretty decent job at it. Good publisher imo
If only they could do the same for The Punisher. I'd like to see a remaster or remake.
@@Gruntvcthey probably won’t because they changed the Punisher in the comics
People don't bring up Deep Silver a lot when discussion comes up about bad publishers but I hear they are consistently shitty to their developers.
@@Gruntvcmodern marvel can't and will prevent that,they don't have the balls to do it, especially on how brutal it is , plus Disney owns marvel so there's that
I remember when Agents of Mayhem released there was a bug that made it impossible to finish the final mission I think it froze the game from proceeding after a certain point prior to the final cutscene
I really hope that the ex-employees are able to rebound and find work someplace else.
I dont
I can say the same to CAPCOM Vancouver, a company that got unsupervised by their Japanese main-studio, while also being rejected by helming forgotten legacy titles and brand-new titles.
Their only choice was to make more Dead Rising games…with DR4 having a literal “development hell” experience…
the actual developers, sure. The people who were involved with antagonising the fans, i hope they dont get employed again anywhere they will have access to customers
@@Zerovin I mean, when people usually say ex-employees, that's who they mean; the devs who actually worked on the game. Not, you know, the dipshit community manager starting shit online and giving bad PR to the game.
Problem is the Game was still not very Good. No Innovation, Bland Graphics, Broken/Buggy, and Horrid Story. I cant really say anyone on that Team are any good at making Games. They might be good Programmers, but not good Game Devs. That or they need to find a Game they are Passionate about. If you dont really care about the IP you are Working On, your not going to really care to put in the Work. Art is about Passion, and while Games indeed make Money, they are Art.
It's sad to see this happen. Honestly saints row 4 is still in my top 5 games of all time. But not even I bought the re-boot. It just didn't feel like it was going to be good. And if they can't sell me on the highlights it just wasn't going to be worth it
Love their old games, but it's just not the same studio. It's bled out too many key people. It's a totally different company parading around Volition's corpse.
That's just the thing Volition wasn't slowing dying they just hit a dark period nothing they couldn't recover from after awhile and then they lit themselves on fire with the Saints row reboot
I've been a fan since Freespace, and them making the engine open meant theres still content being made for the game to this day and despite being 90s game it visually holds up due to usermade content. It is easily one of my most played games with far more content now than the developers originally intended. But sucks 2 didn't sell better. Ended on a cliffhanger.
Saints row 4 is such an underrated game
worth bearing in mind that, whatever your personal thoughts on it, the saints row reboot sold fine. embracer's recklessness ultimately killed volition
SRIV
>>More goofy and forced jokes
>got interview they said the critique are haters
>sold only 1 million copies flop so harr
Reboot
>just like IV
>>attacking consumers and build shitty takes page on twitter
>>lies sold more and success it just sold one million copies
They need break even more than 2 million least like sr2 if i remember correctly succes on 2,6m or 2,8m.. how can you said one million copies sold fine lol.
I just recently bought and souped up a PS3 and just barely started playing Saints Row 2.
Oh my God this game is so much more than a gta clone, it's a near true successor to San Andreas with a dedicated crew/gang function.
Its not just near.. Volition just slapped GTA SA about manage how the gangster looks like,the ai part the slapping gta sa like simpson meme"Thats how you create an Openworld about gangster!"
One thing i never see mentioned about Saints row 4 is even with the game basically reusing all assets from 3 they removed clothing options from the game
Honestly its the one thing that pissed me off the most because i could no longer wear my favourite jacket haha
Great video. You sum it up early on, the final nail was Saints Row 2022 but the downfall began long, long before that. For me, it started with Saints Row 3, not a terrible game but I didn't like it nearly as much as 1 and 2 and every Volition game that followed was trash.
"The Latter Day Saints Row Games" got me to chuckle, nice one.
I remembered when Saints row reboot first released people complaining about this but developers ignore them. So guess what?? They already shut down because of that. So comments from all the fans actually very Important now a days.
Man I was just playing red faction yesterday you could not have timed this video better lol
Painting games going back to their roots as always a bad thing is misguided in my opinion. Sonic Mania is just that and it's arguably the best sonic game since Sonic 3.
I’m surprised you can still keep high quality videos coming at a consistent rate despite having a job. I mainly assumed at this point you were making enough to do RUclips full time
Would you happen to be looking for an editor I enjoy each and everyone of your videos to a supreme degree and I would love to help in the creation of content I genuinely enjoy
I think a problem is that they never moved on from Saints Row.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. I have to wonder how much of the original staff was still around when the Saints Row reboot was being made ? People tend to forget that while the name of the developer might be the same that it is not the same company when a majority of the people have already left. The writing was on the walls.
12:26 I say the same thing with Cyberpunk 2077, at least how it was at launch. There was more depth and the world felt more alive in the older GTA titles than it did in Night City.
And also I think EA is (currently) overhated. Don't get me wrong they did a lot to deserve the hate but currently everyone just parrots "EA Bad" without actually thinking about it. Think back, what is the last actual thing the company did that caused outrage ? It is probably the release state of 2042 (which I think some of it actually belongs to Dice) but besides that for a while now EA has been putting out decent to good games devoid of microtransactions. I think they learned a lot with the Battlefront debacle and their scumminess seems to be focused on their sports titles. They aren't perfect, nobody is, but compared to Activision currently EA are damn saints. Are they trying to be better ? Who knows I just think if a company isn't being as scummy it should be acknowledged.
The Reboot wasn't the last nail.
It was the last cruise missile.
YOOOOOOO!!!!! I remember playing descent 2 on PC!!! Sadly I only got to level three, I was not good at the game.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn Deep Silver is incompetent, a lot of the games released under them have a shoddiness that is distinctly... Deep Silver...
FREAKING LOVED DESCENT 2. My first foray into PCMR>
Fatigue. Burnout. Financial infidelity. I could list many many things.
Agents of Mayhem was like the first massive failure and warning about chasing live service. They just didn't have the battle passes and cash shops yet.
I know someone who worked on descent 2, God I feel old
I disagree going to your roots isn’t stupid especially for Game series that are so different from what they were like Assassin Creed going from a stealth game to a RPG.
They completely lost touch with their audience and never got it back. I loved Volition for The Punisher and Red Faction 1. They were at their best when they made something new and experimented.
Really preciate dis vid mane and agree wit most of yo points, da only one i remember not agreein witcha is da start of da fall, i believe da last good game volition released is guerrilla, da moment da 2010s hit dey took a nose dive
They started out so well too.
I paid $20 for the saints row reboot with the season pass and felt like I got ripped off
I think it's funny that you said Gat out of hell didn't light the world on fire when the whole world and got out of hell was on fire, I also liked your repetitive joke with agents
The Punisher 2005 and Saints Row 2 are my favorites
The Saints legacy ends here not with a bang, but with a whimper
I liked Saints Row 2 for its balance of grounded versus silliness. I liked how they began ramping up the silliness for Saints Row 3 and reached the apex at 4. I tried to play the remake on PS+ and it just felt off to me. The gunplay wasn’t fun. The driving didn’t feel right. I didn’t bother to try to get to the gang building aspect of the game before I stopped playing.
Gat out of Hell actually has its own unique city though? It actually reminded me of Saints Row 2, with each district being pretty unique whereas SR3's city was so boring they had no qualms with letting you leap and jump at high speeds through it because stopping to admire anything isn't something you'd do in those games.
3. Volition didn't make Gat out of Hell - Gearbox made it while Volition was working on Agents of Mayhem.
Personally i thought SR4 stood well on it's own, despite using the same map, they made up for it by adding a lot of fun mechanics plus keeping the story at least up to par with 3's as well as the great dialogue the games were known for. Gat Outta Hell is where i think they fell off, the flying felt boring, especially without the in game soundtracks you got from the previous games, Gat and Kinzie hardly speak to anyone and there were no standout moments in it that i can think of, whereas i can think of at least a couple from 2-4.
With how Saints Row 3 Remastered looked they could of just released SR1 and SR2 Remastered
That was guaranteed money lol
I could be wrong though
4. You said that Volition have denied that AOM was connected to the Gat out of Hell ending.
Then why did the SaintsRow twitter account make this tweet:
"It is definitely related. Agents of Mayhem is a spinoff that follows the ending from Gat out of Hell where God reboots the universe."
I first got into Saints Row via 3, so I cant really make any calls on the prior two, but I fell in love with it. I was never able to get into GTA Games, but the Over The Top style of 3 was great. I enjoyed the Super Hero take of 4 and even Gat. I even got Agents later, and while I like the Idea of the Game it just felt like it was lacking Features. So when the Reboot was announced I was Hyped, but then I saw our "Saints", and the Social Media. Lets just say I quickly lost any desire to get it. It was clear the people now working on it did not understand what made Saints 3 work. It is sad, but I can still play the Good Ones.
2. Gat out of Hell did not reuse any part of the Steelport map.
I understand why you might get this impression, they replaced one boring generic city with another boring generic city.
They definitely dropped the ball, but I think it's important to get the details correct, and I assure you it's a NEW boring generic city.
Making mistakes, nobody came out and revealed issues online and we had a axx of a manager treat the fans as jokes & just insulting and nobody even came out apologizing for Steph's behavior, nobody doing anything online but her gives you everything you need to know: *They were all aware of Steph's behavior and didnt care what she has said*
It's insane to me just how bland and bad the Saints Row reboot ended up becoming. Like, it would have been SO easy to make a good game that rebooted the series. Keeping some good elements from all 5 Saints Row games and mashing them together to make what could have been the arguably best Saints Row ever.
Dambuster Studios just released a great & respected game in DeadIsland2 from the SAME PUBLISHER. No, Volition was run by clowns 🤡 and their last two products were horrific flops. Even the most talented publisher can not successfully scrub clean the studio rot at management. The political agenda ALWAYS comes before the health of the studio.
While I mostly agree, Dead Island 2 being a positive example of Deep Silver's releases is pretty funny.
Step one of the "Four steps for ideological subversion". (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985)
Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). *During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition.* Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance.
Communism and Religion
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. *To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”*
Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. *Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.*
---Art, including established IP, are cultural and social history. As such, they destroy the old and try adapting it to fit their Marxist ideologies.
In what is perhaps a most striking passage in the interview, here’s how Bezmenov described the state of a “demoralized” person:
“As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That’s the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”
It’s hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. *We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.*
*“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system,* when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. *For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more.* They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power-obviously they get offended-they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. *They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”*
Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired.
As we can see, except for a small, vocal minority on X and other social media, "woke" does not go over very well even though it is being heavily promoted through various means of propaganda.
Since Marxism is not truly the goal, what do you suppose the desired result really is?
So the pendulum swings, now violently, now slowly; and every institution not only carries within it the seeds of its own dissolution, but prepares the way for its most hated rival.
William Ralph Inge
"Democracy and the Future" The Atlantic Monthly (March 1922)
On the "left" we have the current atheistic Liberal Marxist institution. What would the "right" side equal and opposite reaction, the most hated rival of the left, be?
Hint: Look up Dominion Theology/Seven Mountains Mandate
I will miss the Volition who made Red Faction 1 and The Punisher. I will not miss the Volition who made Saints Row 2022. They were toxic and arrogant.
I dont know why, but Vicarious Visions and Volition always wore the same to me. Maybe because most of their games are mediocre, with one or two that passes the average Mark.
I pre-ordered Agents of Mayhem, assuming it would be in the vein of Saints Row, and to get in on the Johnny Gat bonus. It was a gigantic letdown, especially at full price. The current year political jabs in NPC dialogue were also a huge misstep because anyone with sensibility would know that such lines would age like milk.
I had hope for Saints Row 2022... until their social media manager started fighting with fans who didn't like the direction they were going. Making the gang into a bunch of hipsters who want to pay off their student loans? Changing Freckle Bitch's probably because muh sexism, and changing Rim Jobs into Jim Robs because muh capitalism bad? I don't know who was I'm charge of these ideas but I don't want them anywhere near any creative industry, gaming or otherwise. And when it came to the character creator, I actually liked it quite a bit. The clothing left a lot of be desired but I'm not sure if that was just the standalone creator or if the game had much more clothing options.
I didn't buy the game. I didn't even download it when it was part of PS+. They had burned me that badly.
If only they listened to the people on Twitter telling them "we don't like this direction," because those were people who still cared.
I still can't believe Agents of Mayhem was a singleplayer only game. It's like a decision made by an AI. "People like singleplayer games, people also like co-op hero shooter games...so let's make a singleplayer game that caters to co-op fans". It boggles the mind. Everything about it screams co-op fun but boring singleplayer experience.
If it was a case of low budget, you'd think they would release it singleplayer and eventually patch in multiplayer but nope, THAT was their vision.
I started playing Saints Row since I was 11 years old
Saints Row 3 was the first game in the series I played and it's still my favorite. It all went downhill with SR4 and the Saints Row reboot just sealed Volitions fate. RIP Volition, you made some good games.
Ironically, I think GTA killed Saint's Row, albeit indirectly. Saint's Row 1 was a good game, but unremarkable. Then in April 2008, GTA4 comes out and it's great but pretty realistic and serious in mechanics and tone. When SR2 comes out in October it's still somewhat derivative and niche, but it's such a breath of fresh air because while it has a dark and serious story, it has jokes too, and is more than happy to just let the player have fun. "It's like a wackier GTA." And that sentiment killed it. Because if that's what people liked, then SR3 has to be even wackier! And Goofier! And less serious! And sure it was a fun game, but it wasn't really a good game, not like 2 was at least... and then GTA5 comes out a few years later and is way more in line with what SR2 was doing which made it impossible for Volition to go back to that style, even if they wanted to, without going back to being "another GTA clone" so they went even farther, and after SR4 did anyone that played 1 and 2 even give a shit anymore? And I still haven't played any Red Faction :p
1. Reusing the same map is good. More devs should do it in order to get more value out of an engine and map.
The reason I loved Saints Row 2 so much is because it reused the same map from Saints Row.
The reason I disliked Saints Row 3 so much is because they abandoned the city they had spent 2 games making iconic.
Loved Summoner, Red Faction and The Punisher on the PS2.
Summoner had terrible pop up but made up for it with a great dark story, interesting characters, side quests and a great twist about halfway through that turned the whole game on its head. Never really took to any of the characters in Summoner 2 although it had some great ideas in it.
Red Faction was a great little shooter but the environmental damage was kind of a gimmick at times as you could not destroy everything.
The Punisher was an absolute blast with great shooting, varied levels and challenge modes that were really tough in places. The boss fights were not the best though. It is also the main reason Thomas Jane is still my favourite Punisher. The dialogue in this game was hilarious at times.
RIP Red Faction 1 and Guerilla
I don’t believe I ever played any of these games
The Punisher is the only game that I’ve played from Volition. Shame that it’s been shut down due to poor rep they’ve got from their latest Saint’s Row game.
Loved the hell out of Saints row 1&2, too bad company went bankrupt but at least we have the games to remember the good legacy they left behind.
The biggest act of hubris of 2022
I am a fan of summoner 1 and 2, they are 2 of my favorite ps2 rpgs ever.
18:33
"Tools of Foul Play
It's a Vile Interruption
Existence Drifts Away"
I always saw Agents of Mayhem as their version of GI Joe.
And IMO the lack of co-op and or a more squad focused gameplay with AI teammates is what the game failed to have. We have all these different soldiers and can only use one at time. Even though you can switch between them.
They should've made a remake for the punisher instead.
Also day 1 of me asking you to do a review for the suffering and the suffering ties that bind.
I'd definitely buy a remaster or remake of Punisher 2005. Marvel/Disney hates that character now.
The recent comics were terrible. We need another Welcome Back Frank reboot and erase all that garbage.
@@Gruntvc if they made a remake for the punisher they wouldn't got to that point.
Also have you played the suffering on ps2
Summoner 2 was peak Volition and I feel like it doesn't get talked about much. One of the best action/RPG's on the console full of some of the best action/RPG's that had great story, great world building, great characters. knew when to take itself seriously and when to joke around.
In the extras there was a talking heads bit of all the party members talking as if they were actors going to the movie Summoner 2 and what they were doing before they got the part.
Latter Day Saints Row, sounds like a neat church.
Seems almost like since Mike Kulas left, the company went downhill.
I'm surprised we never got Saints Row 5. The ending of 4 seemed to imply that The Saints were going to invade a planet and take it over, which feels like the next logical step for them, right? Playa started out as a gang banger, became leader of the Saints, then in charge of a corporation with The Saints as its brand and then finally President of the United States. There was no other place to go but up, literally.
Going back to the roots isn’t bad but, you got to make sure to keep out anything dated which is especially important for games when it comes to gameplay because for example Tomb Raider yes the old school games are still fun but using the original gameplay in a modern title just would not work
*Agents Of Mayhem was actually Really Fun 👍 their biggest mistake was not calling it Saints Row 5 and promoting it as such. most SR fans I've talked to don't even know the game exists to this day lol. Personally, I think Plaion should take AOM's engine and make an F2P level shooter with a choice driven story* 👌
Red Faction: Guerrilla is hugely over-rated, there's good reason why people praise it's destruction and nothing else.
Yeah, cuz the game didn't need anything else to be great.
@@TBP Well game's good enough when you're destroying stuff, not so much when everything is a 5 out of 10 trailing missions, driving from point A to B with vehicle handling being janky wading through the bland slurry of hitscan soldiers.
Listen, the game has some good spots but outside of that 30% high is bland as dishwater and I think it's overtly rose-tinted to call it a great landmark game.
Maybe it's because of my brother but we got saints row 3 then all the expansionsnand we loved it
I didn't hate AoM or SR 2022. They weren't the best from Volition, but they had some small semblance of fun that could be had in the games.
I think Agents of Mayhem had SOOO much potential, it's too bad it had no love put into it (or the obvious 3 player co-op)
Agents of Mayhem felt like it was made with love, its fatal issues were its buggy release and the complete confusion over what the game was supposed to be. Playing the game, Mayhem is clearly supposed to be a heroic GI Joe saving the innocent citizens from the evil Cobra, but the game still has small stuff like gadgets that were obviously designed to Saints Row "mess with the innocents" sensibilities. The PR certainly didn't help, pushing claims that AoM was its own thing completely separate from Saints Row while simultaneously pushing connections to Saints Row. Then there was the misstep with the difficulty; the game was built around switching between the three members of your team based on the situations you encountered, but the default difficulty was so low that there was no need to ever switch characters. (Worse, the super low difficulty made several characters flat out worse than the others, as it effectively rendered their specialties meaningless.)
Short Answer: Corprate Greed.
Long Answer: Cooooooorprate Greeeeeeeeeeeeed
But TBP, how could Cyberpunk 2077 lack Polish when they made it?
Modern gamers lament the fate of Saint's Row.
Oldheads mourn Red Faction.
But the Pharaoh, resting in his secret chamber under the Pyramids for two thousand years...he sheds a tear for Freespace.
Epic is what happened. Epic exclusive, first nail. rebooting in a way that was designed to appeal to Fortnite players, the majority of whom did not grow up with any of the Saints Row games meaning they designed another Saints Row game for an entirely new audience
13:04 oh the reboot didn’t go back to its roots if it did we wouldn't have the taints and a fucking story about friendship
Also for the social media shitshow Blame deep silver for putting someone who absolutely sucks at being a community manager(would name her directly but that would be putting a target on her back) as a replacement for the former community manager who was a respected member of the community and from what former volition employees have said the reboot basically had to have its story rewritten because deep silver thought people wouldn't like an old school styled saints row that was a hybrid between 2 and 3
I enjoy and Platinumed the new one it's not as bad as people made it out to be
Cringe? Is the answer cringe? The reason for their failure is cringe?
go woke go boke
Volition was always mediocre.
I wonder how many original Volition devs were even apart of reboot, it was horrible.
You could've asked the Saints Row community for info, since most of them already got all the sauce from ex devs they're friends with, but I don't blame you for making this video. I just want to add that according to said ex devs, Volition were in the same position as Bungie is right now. The devs weren't lazy or out of touch, they knew what's the problem, and did want to give the fans what they asked for, they (allegedly) even wanted planned to keep the original cast, Dex included, for a more appropriate and respectful reboot, but Deep Silver just wouldn't let them. You've pointed out their Twitter manager. That wasn't Volition. That's who they had breathing down their necks. Considering what they've put the Dead Island 2 teams through, I think it's safe to say there's some truth to all that.
Actually wrong, it was higher ups and sweet baby whatever it's called had there hand in what this is, the fact the volition wanted to go back to a saints row 2/3 to tie up lose ends, you can also find what I say true by f1ippy and while saintsgodzilla takes years to do his video.