2- Stage 50L/m Oil Free Lab Vacuum Pump - amzn.to/33RwsNn To get these clamps you have to order directly from the maker via Instagram. His handle is @kouroscarpentrycorp Send a Direct Message to order the pads. Festool OF 1010 Router - amzn.to/2GQIkX9 Festool 486058 Edging Plate -amzn.to/2SJMaDA Festool 486052 Angle Arm - amzn.to/33PVj3T Festool 486242 Chip Deflector - amzn.to/33PL6Vq Festool ETS EC 150/5 Sander - amzn.to/3jRh8FR Dewalt 20v Compact Router - amzn.to/30WxIN6 Whiteside 5/32 Router - amzn.to/3diOcUJ instagram.com/kouroscarpentrycorp/
I have the Festool vacuum system (2 bases and the variety of clamp pads). I dismissed it as too expensive for quite a while but it’s proved to be a game changing tool. Being able to spin/tilt as well as hold narrow parts (rails/stiles) has been invaluable. Can’t overstate how much of a time saver its been. It’s held up to frequent use in my (commercial) environment. Thanks for the video. Whatever you choose, vacuum clamps are awesome.
Vacuum chucks have been used for years. The pads can easily be made from wood as long as it is sealed. Sealer and couple of coats of lacquer are adequate sealer for wood. Self adhesive foam weatherstripping makes the between the pad and the workpiece. We have used standard air hose with quick connect fittings screwed into the wood. There are plenty of DIY example for anyone who searches.
Have friend who rebuilds stand up bass instruments ( the old expensive ones ) he's been using vacuum clamping since the early 1980's, has lots of ingenious ones all using a simple vacuum pump as demo'd here, and bags he makes for various applications. The hold-down is also simple to make yourself, if you wish. Flatsurface, holes in substrate, sealed edges ( think foam tape ) line to pump.
I make these from sealed MDF and use a Fein Turbo I through a hole in the workbench and it works great. I do a lot of the same furniture parts and shape the vacuum hold down boards the same shape as the parts with weather seal around the edges. Works much better than trying to use a square hold down for a curved work piece.
I have used with my students self-made shallow downdraft boxes for stuff like this. Suction for shop vac or from our school shop's central vacuum system. It works well, until someone is starting jointer or even worse thickness planer.
We routed raised panel cabinet doors out of hdf, using jigs,downdraft, and vacuum in the early 90's. Its just a block as long as it will hold threads for air fittings,(we used clear plastic) . To seal the edges ,use foam/ rubber adhesive backed tape. Cross drill for the manifold, and keep the pump away from fine dust. Whoever remembers, 3/4 hdf sheets weighed 90lbs per sheet,I can still smell the dust lol
I always wondered how these vacuum clamp devices compare against the Rockler Bench Cookies for operations just like yours. I do like the vacuum bag systems I see so many use for clamping panels and veneers but I have yet to invest in one. Thanks for showing your work flow using this system.
if you seal the mdf with shellac that will improve the vacuum. mdf is actually porous and the pump can pull air thru it reducing the vacuum clamp's holding power.
Thanks for this video; been looking at this system. Quick question…what’s the attachment that you have on your Festool router for that flush trim application? Thx!
Curious...how does the vacuum release work? Definitely more affordable option to the Vac Sys. Always appreciate your tool recommendations! You might revisit looking at Vac Sys. A couple nice things about it is the pivot/swivel of the head as well as pad size options. Comes in handy holding narrower pieces.
For the release, I think if you use the pad with something slick it will stick much harder. The maker of this pad has a foot pedal type switch that he uses to quickly stick/unstick. But with raw wood I can just pull stuff off the pad because it doesn't stick as hard.
Spencer, as a woodturner I have utilized vacuum chucks for finishing the bottom of bowls and other vessels; however, when Covid-19 needed ventilators, the refurbished pumps that pull 25 lbs. per square inch are no longer available. Do you know how much pulling power that vacuum pump facilitates?
The Amazon link shows it is capable of -85Kpa, or 25.1 inches of mercury, 12.33 pounds force per square inch. Comparing vacuum pumps is difficult because of the units conversion process.
Sorry you just discovered these things , Like someone else said they have been around forever. I have been making them for years out of scrap plywood for custom sizes I needed. Dont know why you are using a vac pump you just get a vacuum generator venturi for your compressor for $20. My units can support hundreds of pounds I was supersized that you are able to lift your material off the pad. It would usually lift your entire work bench off the ground. Well have fun, they are very useful .
From what I've seen the reason the vacuum was not strong was because of the raw wood. Its much stronger with sealed materials from what I understand. I will have to look into the vacuum generator you mentioned.
Hey bud! New sub here! I'm a contractor in Maine and I just wanted to encourage and thank you to keep posting the content you have. I've not found a video of yours yet that hasn't had valuable wisdom! And on top of that I'll assume by your logo we're brothers under the same God! Keep up the work brother! Thank you!
Non slip pads don't remain non slip for long. Constantly need replacing after the saw dust makes them slip. Some also leave stains. Can't apply much lateral force at all either, they are awful for that. A stronger vacuum pump would allow even better hold. You'd get about 1,400lbs/Sq.Ft. with a vacuum clamp no way a non slip pad will do that.
I'm out of ur league. But I'm learning from maestro. Cool shit. My background is from remodeling. But learning new every day. Have not done these projects before . I dig it. Precise home owners happiness. My motto.
Pretty neat! Forgive me if you've done it already but could you make a video on your Festool router set up? I'm pretty sure I've seen all of your videos but I could have missed that one.
Ethan, in the meantime, may I suggest the following: Sedge at Festool USA not long ago on a RUclips Friday "Festool Live" showed using the MFK 700 edge router. Here is another "Sedge" quickie: ruclips.net/video/Ux5xo6_iiN0/видео.html Also, Paul Marcel a number of years back did a brief video showing the MFK 700 router full kit at ruclips.net/video/3a--v9tdusM/видео.html
Is it really necessary for them to suction hold to a fixed board on the table? Would it work to attach them to a small board with dawgs on the btm that can then insert anywhere on your table you want?
@@stevebengel1346 I've got two Festool 1400 and one 2200. The best routers I've ever had. I've have/had Dewalt, Porter-Cable 1/2hp, Milwaukee 3/4hp and a couple others. I always run to the 1400 for precision, dust control and ease of use. My cordless dewalt is my favorite quick/small job router. I'd give up my other routers and keep the festool in a heartbeat. 👍
You are loosing a ton of vacuum through that MDF. If you have some scraps of laminated plywood or melamine you will double your clamping force on your part
2- Stage 50L/m Oil Free Lab Vacuum Pump - amzn.to/33RwsNn
To get these clamps you have to order directly from the maker via Instagram. His handle is @kouroscarpentrycorp Send a Direct Message to order the pads.
Festool OF 1010 Router - amzn.to/2GQIkX9
Festool 486058 Edging Plate -amzn.to/2SJMaDA
Festool 486052 Angle Arm - amzn.to/33PVj3T
Festool 486242 Chip Deflector - amzn.to/33PL6Vq
Festool ETS EC 150/5 Sander - amzn.to/3jRh8FR
Dewalt 20v Compact Router - amzn.to/30WxIN6
Whiteside 5/32 Router - amzn.to/3diOcUJ
instagram.com/kouroscarpentrycorp/
I have the Festool vacuum system (2 bases and the variety of clamp pads). I dismissed it as too expensive for quite a while but it’s proved to be a game changing tool. Being able to spin/tilt as well as hold narrow parts (rails/stiles) has been invaluable. Can’t overstate how much of a time saver its been. It’s held up to frequent use in my (commercial) environment. Thanks for the video. Whatever you choose, vacuum clamps are awesome.
Vacuum chucks have been used for years. The pads can easily be made from wood as long as it is sealed. Sealer and couple of coats of lacquer are adequate sealer for wood. Self adhesive foam weatherstripping makes the between the pad and the workpiece. We have used standard air hose with quick connect fittings screwed into the wood. There are plenty of DIY example for anyone who searches.
Have friend who rebuilds stand up bass instruments ( the old expensive ones ) he's been using vacuum clamping since the early 1980's, has lots of ingenious ones all using a simple vacuum pump as demo'd here, and bags he makes for various applications. The hold-down is also simple to make yourself, if you wish. Flatsurface, holes in substrate, sealed edges ( think foam tape ) line to pump.
Spencer never stops stepping up his game...that's the sign of a real pro in my opinion. Incredible guy.
Been using vacuum tables for many industrial applications ..they work great and no worry about slippage .
Can also invert an old 30gal compressor. Works very well. With a stock head you can pull 1bar and you get a ton of volume (well 30 gallons :)
I make these from sealed MDF and use a Fein Turbo I through a hole in the workbench and it works great. I do a lot of the same furniture parts and shape the vacuum hold down boards the same shape as the parts with weather seal around the edges. Works much better than trying to use a square hold down for a curved work piece.
I have used with my students self-made shallow downdraft boxes for stuff like this. Suction for shop vac or from our school shop's central vacuum system. It works well, until someone is starting jointer or even worse thickness planer.
We routed raised panel cabinet doors out of hdf, using jigs,downdraft, and vacuum in the early 90's.
Its just a block as long as it will hold threads for air fittings,(we used clear plastic) .
To seal the edges ,use foam/ rubber adhesive backed tape.
Cross drill for the manifold, and keep the pump away from fine dust.
Whoever remembers, 3/4 hdf sheets weighed 90lbs per sheet,I can still smell the dust lol
I always wondered how these vacuum clamp devices compare against the Rockler Bench Cookies for operations just like yours. I do like the vacuum bag systems I see so many use for clamping panels and veneers but I have yet to invest in one. Thanks for showing your work flow using this system.
Forget my question about the Festool attachment; I see that you provided that in your notes. Thanks!
if you seal the mdf with shellac that will improve the vacuum. mdf is actually porous and the pump can pull air thru it reducing the vacuum clamp's holding power.
Really interesting! Why not connect both the pads to the pump for longer workpieces?
My question exactly!
I could. I just got the unit. So i haven't really messed with it much yet.
@@InsiderCarpentry I wonder if you could run a split off of a tee fitting for both pads? Just a thought.
If you and Mike Farrington had a baby, it would rule the woodworking world!
The festool holds the long pieces. I own one and have had lengths like you processed.
Thanks for this video; been looking at this system. Quick question…what’s the attachment that you have on your Festool router for that flush trim application? Thx!
Looks awesome
Would you use this pump for veneer bags too? Easier for us novices to justify a new purchase if it can be used for several things.
Thanks
Curious...how does the vacuum release work? Definitely more affordable option to the Vac Sys. Always appreciate your tool recommendations!
You might revisit looking at Vac Sys. A couple nice things about it is the pivot/swivel of the head as well as pad size options. Comes in handy holding narrower pieces.
For the release, I think if you use the pad with something slick it will stick much harder. The maker of this pad has a foot pedal type switch that he uses to quickly stick/unstick. But with raw wood I can just pull stuff off the pad because it doesn't stick as hard.
Thanks! Stay safe.
Nice! How many pads do you think you would need to hold down coffee table sizes? probably 4?
Spencer, as a woodturner I have utilized vacuum chucks for finishing the bottom of bowls and other vessels; however, when Covid-19 needed ventilators, the refurbished pumps that pull 25 lbs. per square inch are no longer available. Do you know how much pulling power that vacuum pump facilitates?
I don't. Sorry.
The Amazon link shows it is capable of -85Kpa, or 25.1 inches of mercury, 12.33 pounds force per square inch. Comparing vacuum pumps is difficult because of the units conversion process.
@@dsdragoon
Thanks for your reply. Sounds worth looking into. 👍🏼
Your tools are great
Sorry you just discovered these things , Like someone else said they have been around forever. I have been making them for years out of scrap plywood for custom sizes I needed. Dont know why you are using a vac pump you just get a vacuum generator venturi for your compressor for $20. My units can support hundreds of pounds I was supersized that you are able to lift your material off the pad. It would usually lift your entire work bench off the ground. Well have fun, they are very useful .
From what I've seen the reason the vacuum was not strong was because of the raw wood. Its much stronger with sealed materials from what I understand. I will have to look into the vacuum generator you mentioned.
Have you noticed the steep increase of trim lumber lately? And lumber in general?
two years later do you still use them?
I wonder if the pumps this size would be sufficient for vacuum bag clamping?
Hey bud! New sub here! I'm a contractor in Maine and I just wanted to encourage and thank you to keep posting the content you have. I've not found a video of yours yet that hasn't had valuable wisdom!
And on top of that I'll assume by your logo we're brothers under the same God!
Keep up the work brother!
Thank you!
Glad it’s helpful and thanks for the encouragement. 👊
Wouldn’t a non slip pad also do the same job?? Thanks for the video
Non slip pads don't remain non slip for long. Constantly need replacing after the saw dust makes them slip. Some also leave stains. Can't apply much lateral force at all either, they are awful for that. A stronger vacuum pump would allow even better hold. You'd get about 1,400lbs/Sq.Ft. with a vacuum clamp no way a non slip pad will do that.
You can’t apply side pressure to the work piece on a non slip pad without using 1 hand to hold it down. The vac pad frees you up to use both hands.
@@ThisTall makes sense
I'm out of ur league. But I'm learning from maestro. Cool shit. My background is from remodeling. But learning new every day. Have not done these projects before . I dig it. Precise home owners happiness. My motto.
it looks sweet
How do you have your vacuum hose hung from the ceiling?
Pretty neat! Forgive me if you've done it already but could you make a video on your Festool router set up? I'm pretty sure I've seen all of your videos but I could have missed that one.
I go over in the video about production shelving but I haven't made a dedicated video on it at this point.
Ethan, in the meantime, may I suggest the following: Sedge at Festool USA not long ago on a RUclips Friday "Festool Live" showed using the MFK 700 edge router.
Here is another "Sedge" quickie:
ruclips.net/video/Ux5xo6_iiN0/видео.html
Also, Paul Marcel a number of years back did a brief video showing the MFK 700 router full kit at
ruclips.net/video/3a--v9tdusM/видео.html
They have miter vacum clamps
Can you tell me please what cfm the pump is
Is it really necessary for them to suction hold to a fixed board on the table? Would it work to attach them to a small board with dawgs on the btm that can then insert anywhere on your table you want?
Yes,but you have to seal if you drill inside the vacuum area.
To bad, I am interested in seeing what he sells those clamps for but I am not going to sign up for instagram just to maybe buy something.
www.kouroscarpentry.com/vacpad
can you put a splitter in the tubing and run two vacuum clamps at the same time?
You can
The question becomes the size of your vacuum or reversed compressor (sucking not blowing)
I'm curious as to how do you like the Festool router?
Its great. That router setup is one of my most used tools.
I've been on the fence about getting one, even though I have quite a few other Festool's. Thanks for the response 👍
@@stevebengel1346 I've got two Festool 1400 and one 2200. The best routers I've ever had. I've have/had Dewalt, Porter-Cable 1/2hp, Milwaukee 3/4hp and a couple others. I always run to the 1400 for precision, dust control and ease of use. My cordless dewalt is my favorite quick/small job router. I'd give up my other routers and keep the festool in a heartbeat. 👍
What is that attachment that allows you to use the router horizontally?
I see you have committed the ultimate sin of cutting directly on top of your Paulk type workbench without using sacrificial strips or bench cookies.
Is that the new Festool edge sander?
Nope.
I know y'all can take a joke
A pack of bubble gum works well
Without the noise
I’m wondering if a Fuji turbine connected to those clamps would work ? 😬😬😬
I think it will work with any compressor type device that can pass through air.
@@InsiderCarpentry how much did you pay for the clamps/pads ?
Certainly speeds these repetitive operations up.
His Instagram doesn’t exist?
www.kouroscarpentry.com/vacpad
You are loosing a ton of vacuum through that MDF. If you have some scraps of laminated plywood or melamine you will double your clamping force on your part
Timesaver.
Seems a bit of overkill. A router pad would do the same thing. For a lot less and little valuable shop space.
I agree. It is overkill, but I’ve never used either. I hold it down with my hand and use a folded towel underneath if necessary. To each his own.