It is noticed you scratch, insult, the PPF of each kind vertically to maintain objectivity but instead, suggest you swipe a scratch, insult, water spot, left to right along the bumper BECAUSE the application of said bump, scratch, bubble, waterspot, stain, is the same across each of your test subjects. This is a VERY admirable presentation!!!!! Try to 'speed up time', that is, increase effects that happen over months-years in minutes, like UV and IR and other oxide creating phenomenon, like bug guts. Also, use a piece of masking paper with each test, covering the prior test, as all these are happening on top of the PPF at the same time anyhow. Thanks again.
Been using 3m for 15 years love the product but past 5 years been also using stek. Ive used xpel and llumar as well never used Avery. If price point is a deal breaker I'd go with either Avery or llumar they're cheaper but overall better quality 3m or stek
I appreciate this video because there aren't many like it out there right now. The only unfortunate thing is that it's not completely apples to apples since all of these brands have a product that does have a hydrophobic or ceramic like layer. XPEL Fusion, LLumar Valor, SunTek Reaction, Kavaca ceramic coated, Stek DYNOshield, 3M PRO SERIES 200 Also, something I'm learning when looking up PPFs is the difference in the way the surface looks. I guess the common terminology is 'orange peel' due to the texture. I would like to know what they look like compared side by side.
Most PPF nowadays has a hydrophobic layer, which is great and highly recommended as it’ll help your film last longer by cleaning up easier. And the texture is usually due to the paint underneath. If you have bad paint spots like the orange peel or any other imperfections, you’ll need to get that fixed before applying PPF. It’ll definitely improve your chances of it turning out smooth. In all the films here, I’ve never had issues with their texture. That’s a great question though and we’ll see if we can make a video about that!
You don't understand the bead test. The smallest beads were on STEK. The smaller the beads, the more hydrophobic. Bigger beads is less hydrophobic, not better my friend. I make hydrophobic glass for Lexus. Hope that helps.
Overall appreciate the video. I think you did a great job. I will say that the volume audible portion is a little distorted. Another thing to how can you check the PPS durability on a wrapped item?
For part 3 it would also be interesting if the behavior of the film and its hydrophobic coating/cover change after you cleaned up the Sharpie with alcohol or some other cleaner and do it a second time. Is it a one time coating or does it keep the good hydrophobic features over multiple cleanings. Reason is that the Sharpie or some dirt should not enforce a film replacement compared to a keyscratch or similar.
Hey there!, I recently heard of a new Llumar PPF, it's called "Valor", have you tried this one? They announce it as an amazing PPF, i would love to see its performance compared to what we can see from the 3m. Greetings and thanks for all the content you sahre here in YT bro!!
Haven't used that one yet, but it looks like the biggest difference between platinum and valor is that valor has more shine and hydrophobic properties. The only thing about PPF that comes factory ceramic coated is that it usually doesn't last but about 6 months, so I recommend ceramic coating it anyway if you want that shine and hydrophobicity to last at least a couple of years. We'll have to add that to our list to try though! Thanks for your support!
Just put all the films on a level surface, wait 72 hours after application. Take a pressure washer to them with a set distance and time the exposure. You'll see which ones rip and which do not.
So it depends upon the psi and time (that’s the intensity of the impact). Films with higher tensile strength are the ones that rip easily. Their positive point is easier application but negative is fragility. I won’t mention names since all regions are different. You can just use this data to make a better decision wherever you are.
All of these are great brands. I would see what shops in your area are the best and what they prefer to use. A good installer is key. But if you’re doing it yourself, really any of these are good ones. We sell Avery Supreme Defense in our DIY kits - I think it’s a good DIY film to work with if that helps
Black with black marker...can't tell difference on any. 😂🤦♂️ Also, you should have heated the ppf after the airsoft pellet shots to see if it corrects
Is PPF workable for interior door panels to keep my dogs from scratching them (top by window and arm rest) when they want to boost up and stick their head out the window?
Yeah depending on the material, you could put PPF there. It would install something like this - ruclips.net/video/x5MMzUbbLRI/видео.htmlsi=Y_qPW4Pd6_anM9B4
These tests are awesome! Are you able to apply sealant and/or wax to any of these films? Just bought a new black car and am planning to ppf the full front. Ceramic coating entire car is out of my budget so I’m looking at using sealants and wax. My main priority is adding hydrophobic properties as well as UV protection. Thanks for the video!
Yes you can add coatings and wax on top of PPF, just not underneath! Definitely understand staying within budget, so if you are interested in ceramic coating still and you're okay trying the DIY route, Gyeon MOHS EVO is a great ceramic coating for beginners - tesbros.com/products/gyeon-q-mohs-evo-basic-bundle . Here's a video where we explain more about it and how to apply - ruclips.net/video/krXTc5Eso7w/видео.htmlsi=7WCAYdmjbFsXHPM1
Just a car wash bro! But if you want to make it really shine, you can DIY ceramic coat it. We suggest Mohs Evo since it's so easy for beginners! Here's a video where we talk about putting it over PPF, but you can also put it directly on your car if you're not interested in PPF - ruclips.net/video/krXTc5Eso7w/видео.html
I know the video is a year old, but do you have any info on Carpro Immortal film? Seems to be relatively new. Just curious if you’ve heard any good/bad?
I haven’t tested it but I haven’t heard anything bad about it personally. A lot of the times, the film comes from South Korea or China so they may come from similar manufacturers so the quality could be similar.
Our DIY PPF kits are either STEK or Avery! Actually all protection is 15% off right now with code DIYwithDad - tesbros.com/collections/all-tesla-ppf-protection
In my personal opinion, I love working with Avery and STEK. The new 3M 2.0 is also massively improved and is a great film. This question though will vary depending on the installer.
@@tesbros Thank you for the quick reply. Great videos by the way! Does Avery Supreme defense that you guys use come with the Matte version or stealth version by any chance? Really interested in trying the DIY but wanted to get the Matte ones if its available.
I’ve heard great things about the film. However, I don’t have experience personally so can’t speak from experience. All my friends who use it love it though.
@@tesbros so far no complaints. I don’t have experience with no other film so I can’t really say much. I have been showered by debris a few times and I see no tears. Clarity is still there.
@@pytube777 What kind of vehicle? That seems a bit high for just the front end of a vehicle. Our top line for say a full paint front end truck is $1,300 as a LLumar dealer.
I stopped the video at the "marshmallow test." Ma dude... PPF will almost certainly never see marshmallows on it. You can't substitute bird poop which is digested and partially digested protein which is a acidic to pure sugar fluffs. Doesn't work that way, plus PPF is mainly for impact resistance, most car guys that I know carry wipes to get the bird poop off as soon as they see it, baby wipes work great for bird poop. Next time if you're going to go through the trouble make it a realistic test.
I am in a pickle between xpel ultimate plus or dynoshield (both installers are good however the one offering the xpel sells it almost 30% higher than the stek). Also, anyone ever heard of a ppf named opticshield from Wrapstyle?
@@Melegi619 haven’t heard of optic shield but I’d look at installer more than the film. Both are pretty good although we use more Stek in house. If they are a good installer, they will do a great job.
I appreciate what you do, but may I suggest a control panel.. a section without any protection to compare with the others. Also, hit them with a heat gun to see how well they "self heal" which is one of their selling points. Also get a full spectrum UV light and put it above them for a week or more to test UV protection of the plain paint as well as each section of film protected area. Doing just a bumper tests that fine, but you should also do a hood or body panel (from any newer car in a junk yard) to test the same characteristics. Remember, the rubber bumper will absorb more punishment than solid metal.
Buddy, you really need to invest in a better camera. I couldn't see much of the details for example when you did the scratch testing. Couldn't see at all what you were saying. The video is very grainy and blurry. If you do these of videos, your really need to get a decent 4K camera with optical zoom.
What about Hexis Bodyfence, lots of Pro installer are raving about that brand. I personally use it and love it but I've only compared it to Xpel and it's definitely way better than Xpel in all aspects.
Most ppf companies now put a hydrophobic coating but they are factory coated and don’t last compared to if you applied it. So personally, yes I’d cost it after. Also, it’s much easier if you do it right away since it’s spanking new and doesn’t require as much prep. Id recommend gtechniq halo or gyeon mohs for ppf.
@@leeiilee7614 Tesbros doesn't make PPF, they make easy to install kits that allow regular folks to do PPF installation -- which is much cheaper than going to a detail/wrap company to have them do it for you. PPF comes from reputable manufacturers and Tesbros does lots of testing to make sure they product they resell is excellent.
@@alansmith101 so they sell someone else PPF and the kit for others to Install. So they use Avery’s PPF? Have you purchase anything from this company? Their prices seems unbelievable!!
Although Stek has hydrophobic properties, it will wear out in a few months. So it is recommended to coat it. I recommend halo from gtechniq or gyeon ppf coating. Also shops usually provide a deep discount if you add it on.
@tesbros the info you're giving here is wrong, the "ceramic" part of dynoshield is covered in their 10 year warranty as well but you do need to look after it properly like you would to any ceramic coated car, in terms of applying ceramic over the film - yes you can and it will help the film "age" better over time but does stop its self healing abilities to a large degree so it depends on what's more important for the customer
Important Question: Which ones look the best? Least orange peel Glossy Sexy looking. It looks like they all do a very good job of protecting. So I will use the one that straight up makes my vehicle look the best.
I just watched part one where you obviously received the feedback about doing the same tests on a silver bumper. Thank you for this update!
It is noticed you scratch, insult, the PPF of each kind vertically to maintain objectivity but instead, suggest you swipe a scratch, insult, water spot, left to right along the bumper BECAUSE the application of said bump, scratch, bubble, waterspot, stain, is the same across each of your test subjects.
This is a VERY admirable presentation!!!!! Try to 'speed up time', that is, increase effects that happen over months-years in minutes, like UV and IR and other oxide creating phenomenon, like bug guts.
Also, use a piece of masking paper with each test, covering the prior test, as all these are happening on top of the PPF at the same time anyhow.
Thanks again.
Stek and 3m the winners I think ✌️🇨🇦
Same with the part 1 video. I was almost sold on xpel before this
Thanks for the comment I was like holy shit 21 minutes about which wrap is best without a results section at the end 😂
Agreed…who uses Stek and what are your thoughts?
We do. Its solid film. Great tack and really clean finish with not much distortion and great clarity@alvinabrams1917
@@yeloautosports Is Stek a good brand in your opinion? some months later.
Been using 3m for 15 years love the product but past 5 years been also using stek. Ive used xpel and llumar as well never used Avery. If price point is a deal breaker I'd go with either Avery or llumar they're cheaper but overall better quality 3m or stek
I appreciate this video because there aren't many like it out there right now. The only unfortunate thing is that it's not completely apples to apples since all of these brands have a product that does have a hydrophobic or ceramic like layer. XPEL Fusion, LLumar Valor, SunTek Reaction, Kavaca ceramic coated, Stek DYNOshield, 3M PRO SERIES 200
Also, something I'm learning when looking up PPFs is the difference in the way the surface looks. I guess the common terminology is 'orange peel' due to the texture. I would like to know what they look like compared side by side.
Most PPF nowadays has a hydrophobic layer, which is great and highly recommended as it’ll help your film last longer by cleaning up easier. And the texture is usually due to the paint underneath. If you have bad paint spots like the orange peel or any other imperfections, you’ll need to get that fixed before applying PPF. It’ll definitely improve your chances of it turning out smooth. In all the films here, I’ve never had issues with their texture. That’s a great question though and we’ll see if we can make a video about that!
Such an amazing video, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. 3M hands down. US Military has used 3M for years.
I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU PUT SO MUCH KIND EFFORT INTO TESTING THE DUCTILITY. Really, my heart was warmed as you seemed to intend! (and 3M seemed to win).
Thank you for updating.
You bet!
You don't understand the bead test. The smallest beads were on STEK. The smaller the beads, the more hydrophobic. Bigger beads is less hydrophobic, not better my friend. I make hydrophobic glass for Lexus. Hope that helps.
Why not test with a sand blaster with different grit size over a month?
Great video, thanks for the share!!
Thanks for watching!
Overall appreciate the video. I think you did a great job. I will say that the volume audible portion is a little distorted. Another thing to how can you check the PPS durability on a wrapped item?
It's mostly about what can go through PPF! Also vinyl doesn't offer protection so it doesn't help PPF out with any properties
Does PPF comes in different colors or just transparent?
TY!
You're welcome!
For part 3 it would also be interesting if the behavior of the film and its hydrophobic coating/cover change after you cleaned up the Sharpie with alcohol or some other cleaner and do it a second time. Is it a one time coating or does it keep the good hydrophobic features over multiple cleanings. Reason is that the Sharpie or some dirt should not enforce a film replacement compared to a keyscratch or similar.
which one was the best ?
Great videos! It seems 3M and STEK are the best. Were you able to tell which one is the most clear/glossy? Would you do a yellowing/UV test? Thanks!
All the brands shown here are warrantied against yellowing, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. PPF has come a LONG way the past several years.
@@tesbros Which brand is the most clear/glossy? I'm afraid of buying a PPF and it shows orange peel
@@jkiddy761 none of these brands will have orange peel
@@jkiddy761 I Think Stek is the best.
Hey there!, I recently heard of a new Llumar PPF, it's called "Valor", have you tried this one? They announce it as an amazing PPF, i would love to see its performance compared to what we can see from the 3m. Greetings and thanks for all the content you sahre here in YT bro!!
Haven't used that one yet, but it looks like the biggest difference between platinum and valor is that valor has more shine and hydrophobic properties. The only thing about PPF that comes factory ceramic coated is that it usually doesn't last but about 6 months, so I recommend ceramic coating it anyway if you want that shine and hydrophobicity to last at least a couple of years. We'll have to add that to our list to try though! Thanks for your support!
No keying this time? That's what I want to see most.
I'm really surprised that you didn't key the bumper?
We did in part one!
Can you test ppf from lexen
Thank you for the video!! Not sure if I missed it, but which would say is the clearest? Least orange peel effect?
Honestly these are all very clear
Just put all the films on a level surface, wait 72 hours after application. Take a pressure washer to them with a set distance and time the exposure. You'll see which ones rip and which do not.
Which of these brands rip in your opinion?
So it depends upon the psi and time (that’s the intensity of the impact). Films with higher tensile strength are the ones that rip easily. Their positive point is easier application but negative is fragility. I won’t mention names since all regions are different. You can just use this data to make a better decision wherever you are.
The real comparison is with Tesbros DIY ppf, you don't disclose the brand you use!
We use Avery Supreme Defense for all our ppf products. We wanted this test to be as unbiased as possible.
Which one does Tesbros carry? Just Avery? I couldn’t find the information any where. Thank you and thank you for the great video
We use Avery and STEK. But all these films in the video are solid.
So what the best company what your suggestion to me to but full ppf in my new car
All of these are great brands. I would see what shops in your area are the best and what they prefer to use. A good installer is key. But if you’re doing it yourself, really any of these are good ones. We sell Avery Supreme Defense in our DIY kits - I think it’s a good DIY film to work with if that helps
Expel is sooo overhyped that the result makes it average compared to other competitors. “Expel dis expel dat”, imma go with 3m n stek!
So at the end of the day drive your car and enjoy it then once a year get it repainted lol
300fps plastic pellet probably has more force than a small rock “normal rock chip size”
Black with black marker...can't tell difference on any. 😂🤦♂️
Also, you should have heated the ppf after the airsoft pellet shots to see if it corrects
Have you ever done a video review of clear shield pro hydro PPF?
Haven’t worked with that one yet
@@tesbros UPPF?
Is PPF workable for interior door panels to keep my dogs from scratching them (top by window and arm rest) when they want to boost up and stick their head out the window?
Yeah depending on the material, you could put PPF there. It would install something like this - ruclips.net/video/x5MMzUbbLRI/видео.htmlsi=Y_qPW4Pd6_anM9B4
Amazing video. Do they protect from UV sun rays in the summer heat?
Yes! this is why PPF nowadays doesn’t discolor
come on dude you need a final thought and summary
These tests are awesome! Are you able to apply sealant and/or wax to any of these films? Just bought a new black car and am planning to ppf the full front. Ceramic coating entire car is out of my budget so I’m looking at using sealants and wax. My main priority is adding hydrophobic properties as well as UV protection.
Thanks for the video!
Yes you can add coatings and wax on top of PPF, just not underneath! Definitely understand staying within budget, so if you are interested in ceramic coating still and you're okay trying the DIY route, Gyeon MOHS EVO is a great ceramic coating for beginners - tesbros.com/products/gyeon-q-mohs-evo-basic-bundle . Here's a video where we explain more about it and how to apply - ruclips.net/video/krXTc5Eso7w/видео.htmlsi=7WCAYdmjbFsXHPM1
Can you add ceramic overtop of Stek, even tho it already has a ceramic coating?
So it seems like 3M 2.0 works the best out of these 5
Bro I have the same colour Tesla. What have you done to it to make it that glossy 🤩
Just a car wash bro! But if you want to make it really shine, you can DIY ceramic coat it. We suggest Mohs Evo since it's so easy for beginners! Here's a video where we talk about putting it over PPF, but you can also put it directly on your car if you're not interested in PPF - ruclips.net/video/krXTc5Eso7w/видео.html
What about suntek ?? Is that one a good ppf?
Yeah it’s good! It’s a top brand too
I know the video is a year old, but do you have any info on Carpro Immortal film?
Seems to be relatively new. Just curious if you’ve heard any good/bad?
I haven’t tested it but I haven’t heard anything bad about it personally. A lot of the times, the film comes from South Korea or China so they may come from similar manufacturers so the quality could be similar.
@@tesbros appreciate the response. And been enjoying the content after I found this video. Thanks for all your info!
Looks like stek dyno is the best do you guys sell the kit?
Our DIY PPF kits are either STEK or Avery! Actually all protection is 15% off right now with code DIYwithDad - tesbros.com/collections/all-tesla-ppf-protection
Ceramic Pro Kavaca?
We'll have to add it to round 3.
You tell us nothing about the product except it is all equal
Which is the easiest to work with in terms of installation?
In my personal opinion, I love working with Avery and STEK. The new 3M 2.0 is also massively improved and is a great film. This question though will vary depending on the installer.
@@tesbros do you have an opinion on Kavaca?
So what is the brand of the DIY kit that you guys use and sell on your site?
We use Avery Supreme Defense for all our products!
@@tesbros Thank you for the quick reply. Great videos by the way! Does Avery Supreme defense that you guys use come with the Matte version or stealth version by any chance? Really interested in trying the DIY but wanted to get the Matte ones if its available.
@@Driven-t1u1r yes! Matte will be available when we launch the full body kits later this year. It’s not currently available with the front kit however
which goes first ceramic coating or ppf?
PPF first. If you ceramic coat first, you won’t be able to put PPF or vinyl on top, so ceramic coating is always last
@@tesbros i see thank you :)
What about Kavaca ceramic coated?
I’ve heard great things about the film. However, I don’t have experience personally so can’t speak from experience. All my friends who use it love it though.
@TESBROS Ok, good to know. Thanks 👍
I’d like to see the Amazon stuff HOHOFILM tested. I just wrapped my Nissan Z in it.
I don't have personal experience with that one. How's it holding up so far for you?
@@tesbros so far no complaints. I don’t have experience with no other film so I can’t really say much. I have been showered by debris a few times and I see no tears. Clarity is still there.
Anyone had any experience wrapping themselves with 3m or stek? What did you pay for it?
Didn’t wrap it myself but did paid $1900 for STEK for a full frontal wrap in the Bay Area.
@@pytube777 What kind of vehicle? That seems a bit high for just the front end of a vehicle. Our top line for say a full paint front end truck is $1,300 as a LLumar dealer.
@@trimlineofreno Tesla model Y. This is in SF Bay Area, where everything is more expensive.
@pytube777 may I know which shop.
To summarize, which one is better for protection ?
They are all great for protection
Have you tested Suntek film?
I've worked with it some, but not a lot. It's supposed to be good! We'll have to add that to our list to test.
What's your favorite test?
Maybe you can do a UV test? I enjoyed the part where you carried your friends
I stopped the video at the "marshmallow test." Ma dude... PPF will almost certainly never see marshmallows on it. You can't substitute bird poop which is digested and partially digested protein which is a acidic to pure sugar fluffs. Doesn't work that way, plus PPF is mainly for impact resistance, most car guys that I know carry wipes to get the bird poop off as soon as they see it, baby wipes work great for bird poop. Next time if you're going to go through the trouble make it a realistic test.
I think that was for a bit of fun. But I get ya point
Great video just needed to have the car paint background
Thanks Gerald! The bumper is from a 2018 silver Model 3. It’s OEM
I am in a pickle between xpel ultimate plus or dynoshield (both installers are good however the one offering the xpel sells it almost 30% higher than the stek). Also, anyone ever heard of a ppf named opticshield from Wrapstyle?
@@Melegi619 haven’t heard of optic shield but I’d look at installer more than the film. Both are pretty good although we use more Stek in house. If they are a good installer, they will do a great job.
@@tesbros thank you!
I appreciate what you do, but may I suggest a control panel.. a section without any protection to compare with the others. Also, hit them with a heat gun to see how well they "self heal" which is one of their selling points. Also get a full spectrum UV light and put it above them for a week or more to test UV protection of the plain paint as well as each section of film protected area. Doing just a bumper tests that fine, but you should also do a hood or body panel (from any newer car in a junk yard) to test the same characteristics. Remember, the rubber bumper will absorb more punishment than solid metal.
We must not be watching the same video. He set up a control and used heat to show the healing properties
UV testi nasıl yapılır. Bana ayrıntılı olarak açıklayabilir misiniz? teşekkürler
Buddy, you really need to invest in a better camera. I couldn't see much of the details for example when you did the scratch testing. Couldn't see at all what you were saying. The video is very grainy and blurry. If you do these of videos, your really need to get a decent 4K camera with optical zoom.
oh my ears...
What about Hexis Bodyfence, lots of Pro installer are raving about that brand. I personally use it and love it but I've only compared it to Xpel and it's definitely way better than Xpel in all aspects.
I’ve used it. It’s a great brand! We can add it later for future testing. I’ve found that Avery was easier for the average joe, though.
U ever test Sentinel Appearance protection kit dealers try to sell you? My dealer keeps trying to get me to try this stuff
No we haven’t. Is it a coating?
What is the thinness of these PPF? Pls provide.
All of these are about 8 mils thick
Where can you buy these PFF kits from? Is the one on the Tesbros site, the 3M kit?
What kind of PPF kit are you looking for?
Can you test which brand be faster to changing yellow
PPF has improved a lot over the years, so it doesn't yellow or crack anymore. All of the top brands in this video won't yellow
What film do yall at tesbros sell?
We sell Avery Dennison supreme defense film
What is the strongest and best protection?
these are all top brands!
Great clip. Thank you.
Is there any relation between STEK and Suntek?
Nope, different brands
@@tesbros the suntek matte looks dope
Do you think the new 3M ppm needs a coating on top?
Most ppf companies now put a hydrophobic coating but they are factory coated and don’t last compared to if you applied it. So personally, yes I’d cost it after. Also, it’s much easier if you do it right away since it’s spanking new and doesn’t require as much prep. Id recommend gtechniq halo or gyeon mohs for ppf.
It's great to see you all having fun while doing this! Great job on the video and educating everyone.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just got a Tesla last week. I want to do PPF. I am just curious. Why isn’t he doing this with his own product? He sells PFF right?
@@leeiilee7614 Tesbros doesn't make PPF, they make easy to install kits that allow regular folks to do PPF installation -- which is much cheaper than going to a detail/wrap company to have them do it for you. PPF comes from reputable manufacturers and Tesbros does lots of testing to make sure they product they resell is excellent.
@@alansmith101 so they sell someone else PPF and the kit for others to Install. So they use Avery’s PPF? Have you purchase anything from this company? Their prices seems unbelievable!!
@@alansmith101 tbh I am looking for a good PPF and accessories for my Tesla. Is this a good company to buy everything from?
I'm looking to get Stek on all painted surfaces. Would it be necessary to get that ceramic coated as well?
Although Stek has hydrophobic properties, it will wear out in a few months. So it is recommended to coat it. I recommend halo from gtechniq or gyeon ppf coating. Also shops usually provide a deep discount if you add it on.
@tesbros the info you're giving here is wrong, the "ceramic" part of dynoshield is covered in their 10 year warranty as well but you do need to look after it properly like you would to any ceramic coated car, in terms of applying ceramic over the film - yes you can and it will help the film "age" better over time but does stop its self healing abilities to a large degree so it depends on what's more important for the customer
Important Question:
Which ones look the best?
Least orange peel
Glossy
Sexy looking.
It looks like they all do a very good job of protecting.
So I will use the one that straight up makes my vehicle look the best.
STEK is just noticeably better than most other films. hm. need to find a shop near me that does it properly..