Fallout Season 1, An Honest Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- Today I'm going to give my honest opinions regarding the first season of Amazon's Fallout series.
Chapters:
0:00 how this review will be formatted
2:42 World building
8:21 The Factions
12:24 The Characters
19:00 start of spoilers
24:42 end of spoilers 
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so... apologies... I accidentally messed up the timestamp to avoid major spoilers, I've added manual chapters so hopefully that helps but if not, when you get to the 19:00 mark, go ahead and jump to 24:42 to avoid the worst of them. also I have released a part 2 of this review after watching the series a second time and looking at a lot of the interviews posted after the show came out. please check it out if you enjoyed this one, or even felt it was too nitpicky this time around. ruclips.net/video/jtABG57HObI/видео.html
I could have read the scene wrong, but to me, House wasn't interested in Vaulttech's experiments at all. While everyone else was coming up with ideas, he just wanted to know how they would give a return on investments. For all we know, he had nothing to do with vault tech after that meeting, and he set about with his own plans. Knowing that nukes would fly no matter what. He doesn't seem the trusting type, so he just made a setup for himself in the Lucky 38, including his robot army.
you are definitely correct in that he seems completely disinterested in the goings on of that meeting, which could mean he was already working on his own solution, or that he didn't trust vault tec's viability enough to throw in with them.
That's how I read the scene as well: he didn't really agree to participate in the experiments. At best he read the room and accepted what would happen, using what he learns to help plan his defense of Vegas. At worst he orchestrated Vault 21 which, quite frankly, was a decent Vault to live in.
That's my thoughts as well. He didn't seem as enthusiastic about the world ending and using the vaults as experiments like his counterparts from West-tec and Sinclair who seemed excited about the whole idea. He may be guilty by association with these devious people, but there's nothing he can do about the situation but make his own plans for the future.
He is a buisness man and is playing both sides and getting the insider knowledge is what I got from it basically
Yeah House was never really looking keen into it. it seems he just went along with them to ensure enough confidance from them they wont try anything on him while he was working on his own contigency plan after the fallout. It would still fall in line with the events in New Vegas and out of all em why it seems to have been to escape the least unschated out of everyone else. The bigger question is if s2 will follow in new vegas, what events from the game and which route will it follow.
The dog isnt a german shepherd its a belgian malinois Im pretty sure
If Maximus was 6 when the Shady Sands bomb dropped and 18 now, then I believe the bombs dropped in 2284.
Different bombs
Correct, sandy sand blew up after NV. The timeline was poorly made and the fall but probably meant Sady Sands as the capital
Different bombs. It's explained clearly.
@@leefchapman there no date for the nuke many people thought NV was retconned because of it
@@mattcavallo4086 I meant the 2284 bomb was Henry's bomb. The 2077 bombs were different bombs.
It never ceases to amaze how many people think Fallout 3 was an accurate depiction of the BoS as the good guys. That was an outlier under Lyons. The BoS are usually not the good guys. FO1, FO2, FO4 and FOTV are what the BoS are really like.
That's why Fallout 3 had thr Outcasts. There is NO good faction in any Fallout game. They just survive
@@bakenator7420 Actually, the Followers of the Apocalypse are a purely good faction. And they're featured in multiple games.
Exactly! I thought BoS was portrayed almost exactly right in this.
Well, actually FO3 did accurately depict the BOS, Elder Lyons said from the beginning he was disobeying orders, his purpose was to go to DC and collect tech, not kill mutants, and defend DC. The Lyons pride are the heroes not BOS as a whole
@i_am_ergo They are good yes, however they are usually a small faction and no where as big as any of the other factions in the games. They would take decades if not longer to make any sustainable change to the Fallout universe
the Western Brotherhood had several airships, one crashed in the midwest (Tactics) while another made it all the way to the east-coast, to my knowledge we were never told what happened to the rest of them, I assumed that the NCR had taken them after the brotherhoods fall from power.
Lancer Captain Kells explicitly states that all of these were much, much, smaller than the Prydwen.
Yup but it's Prime. So the chances of them getting anything right was slim.
Guess we they aren't all painted in rainbows and talking in zeros and ones.
Small mercies people, small mercies.
Let's put it this way.
It may be shit, but at least it's not Rings of Power.
Don't seem so bad now does it?
The problem isn't your watching fallout.
It's that you thought there would be any entertainment in a Prime original series.
@@adriansennett2861We get it, you have a hate boner for Prime.
@@adriansennett2861biggest cope in the universe. Show was amazing, shut your silly ass up.
19:20 the chart in vault-4 says the fall of shady sands LED to nuclear fallout, NOT when it happened. Meaning the events of the show's flashbacks happened after new vegas' game, the sign for Shady sands also says "the first" capital of NCR. They're still alive and well, and most likely migrated after rebuilding, to build another safe haven
Thank you. One sane comment among the several smooth brain “fallout” fans in this comment section.
Its crazy how many people ant to pretend they're megaminds that appreciate the fantastic writing of New Vegas, just to have their vehement hatred of anything bethesda adjacent stop them from being able to read a fucking timeline correctly.
@@mcqueen8737 Fr, they just have a massive hate boner for Bethesda and just are toxic and hateful. Even Tim doesnt even like these kinds of people in the community
@@mcqueen8737 in fairness look how Bethesda treated New Vegas and the potential sequel, effectively saying to the 'fans' you're going to get a more expensive diluted experience just because we can... That's probably the reason behind that not 'smooth brains' when it looked like the show kinda wanted to sweep anything interplay/obsidian related under the carpet, so your committed to the less interesting fallout now! Nevermind the fact that the tone is less annoying and more consistent in the non-bethesda games
Shady Sands experiencing a "fall" in 2277 still contradicts New Vegas, though. Where Shady Sands is still capital of NCR, and the Congress is still there. Furthermore, the sign might say "first" but that sign also would have been built *before* Shady Sands was nuked, so if they did move the capital, where did it go? Why is the NCR presence basically nil in the area?
And beyond any of that, the nuking of Shady Sands is still dumb. Not a continuity error, but it has nothing to do with the NCR declining or a hostile faction, just some dickhead Vault-Tec exec who was never mentioned *anywhere* before this show pulling a nuclear warhead out of his ass to destroy the quite literal foundations of the Fallout series. I think people have a right to be pissed off about that. Personally, I think it's incredibly unsatisfying to see a storied and beloved location go out like that. If they wanted to destroy Shady, then fine, but I'd have liked there to be more setup and a better reason.
What did constantly draw me out of it was the total lack of plasma or energy weapons- only kinetic weapons. While the atmosphere above ground is very barren, our ghoul friend was never out of gyro-jet rounds for his pistol. Also, for the House-related things, I always assumed that House was in-on, or at least well aware of, the Vault-tec conspiracy to kickstart a nuclear conflict in order to boost sales. His 'calculated projections' was most likely corporate espionage. I was more interested in how REPCONN was still being represented at the table, as I'm pretty sure RobCO already bought REPCONN up. For the bullet damage, I thought it was a meta-commentary that because each of these characters are 'main characters' that they can take damage that enemies cannot.
That Maximus joke really hit me because I binged the whole show yesterday and watched the Gladiator this morning 😂😂😂
"While we are generally welcoming to newcomers and love to share our enjoyment with others", until the newcomer decides to checkout the other side and gets immediately branded as shill and heretic. People always say Halo has really deep division and echo chambers for Bungie and 343 fans, but in Fallout, those echo chambers are like vaults, nuke-proof.
They nuked shady sands after that date since there was an arrow on that timeline as I understood the graph. I'm most interested in who is "behind the wheel" in New Vegas that Hank was going to see. Who said the vault had the nuke what if Hank just gave the approval for it not launched it from the vault?
I feel like your (and most people's) criticism of the (imo potential) lore conflicts assume there will be no season 2, which is de facto confirmed.
I'm a big NV fan and I completely disagree with that House was portrayed poorly. He was never told in the scene when Vault-Tec was planning to drop the bomb (and as far as I remember it was never confirmed that they ended up needing to drop the bomb). This can easily not be a lore conflict if a conflict results in robco leaving the project or the great war starting earlier than they had planned by a country firing the first nuke.
I don't get your reasoning as to why we wouldn't get an explaination as to how Moldaver is alive. The pre-war scenes clearly showed she had a large following. That could easily be explained naturally in season 2 through another character.
The US is in possesion of thousands of nuclear weapons and have been in possesion of 10's of thousands in the past in our world. Considering the destruction and how many nukes were dropped on individual cities there must be far more nukes in the Fallout universe. All nukes are not constantly ready to be fired, there are most likely at least 100's of nukes around America (you can literally fire nukes in NV's Lonesome Road DLC). Not being able to think of dozens if not 100's of ways Vault-Tec could've secured nukes post-war portrays a greater lack of logic than the plot of the show.
The idea that the portrayal of ghouls breaks "30 years of established lore" is a plain lie and indicates a severe lack of knowledge of the Fallout series. The only thing that has been constant through all Fallout media is that every new game breaks the rules around ghouls of the previous one.
All that said I do agree with some of the points. A ghoul shouldn't survive being shot through the neck without even being hurt in the least and the hole instantly healing up after the projectile is pulled out. If that's the case how did Bertha die instantly when Lucy shot her with a 10mm?
I don't like the 2277 date for a few reasons but it doesn't have to be lore breaking. It could be explained through an event that took place in 2277 marked the point that the NCR/Shady Sands was doomed. Perhaps the refugees knew who nuked the city and that was the year Lucy's mom arrived there/made contact wit them, or a line of events starting with the first battle of Hoover Dam led to a steady decline of the NCR and Shady Sands. 2277 would be right before Kimball won reelection. There are many potential explainations for these issues that could also explain why we haven't seen some other parts of the NCR.
My guess as to the reason of the 2277 date being there is to cause this debate, so they can explain it in the next season, as essenyially a cliffhanger. Thinking they wouldn't know the date of NV when they display a knowledge of far more minor details is kind of a dumb assumtion to make. With all that said, I still think featuring that date the way they did was dumb unless it gets a good explaination in Season 2.
I like your videos and I really like that you've made more NV videos, I just really don't like the (in my opinion) poor arguments against the show from parts of the community.
I might've misspelled something and my grammar may be lacking, English is my 2nd language.
I completely agree with this assessment. Most of the criticisms I'm hearing are nitpicks by people unwilling to suspend any amount of disbelief for the way stories are portrayed differently in different mediums, and nitpicks over hints of possibilities of things that could be lore breaks, but also could easily not be depending on how they further explain it down the line. As it stands, they did a massively good job not messing up Fallout like they did LotR and Halo, and churning out what has become one of my favorite tv shows I've seen in decades.
I'm sure it will be explained in season 2, but until it is properly explained then there is an issue since there is no guarantee it will be explained.
Yeah, House seem disinterested and was probably already working on his own contingency, but he does have a single vault in vegas, so he may have opted to have 1, we will again hopefully learn in season 2.
The moldaver stuff, yeah it seems vault 111 wasn't the only one with cryo stasis since 31 has it apparently, so wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say others had it, or she had her own contingency to survive the bombs dropping.
I don't think there is no way that vault tec had nukes, however, where? I don't like the idea of telling and not showing. Telling will lead to this where things are easily criticized and questioned, if they would've show the nukes being fired and dropping people would probably have less to complain about. Lonesome road having nukes at least made sense since it was a military outpost/base, them just being randomly placed around though wouldn't make as much sense. On top of that, how many nukes could still be around? I mean they lit the world on fire with nukes.
The ghoul serum is my only serious gripe with show and it isn't a big issue, something like a ghoul serum wouldn't been very important information, so I do find that to be lore shattering, especially with how immortal ghouls seem to be. Plus you can become a ghoul just by huffing the stuff, idk man, I feel like there would be plenty of ghouls who would try and force people into becoming ghouls by making them huff it. Yeah the show has inconsistency within itself, they shouldn't have tried to make ghouls these pseudo-immortal creatures.
I feel there are issue with the dates, but I'm hoping season 2 clears it all up, I don't want to criticize it too much until all of the story is told, once the story is finished then I'm fine with truly ripping it apart for everything that could be wrong. However, always preface with even if the show goes against the lore and story as long as its good as a self contained story, its still can be a good show, maybe just not a good fallout show.
Yeah, showing those dates is what has caused so much debate, not sure if it was intentional, but I feel it was definitely a mistake on their part.
@@Shadenir I've only heard bad things about their handling of LotR and halo, like not a single redeeming thing if you are a fan, only heard good things if you came into the show knowing nothing. But so far fallout has bene handle well enough, after season 2 though if things are properly explained I'm sure they're gonna get truly shredded by critics
@@darkflmmstr some corrections, there’s an entire main quest line of 76 that directly explains the dwellers of 76 were to secure the 3 nuclear silos. It’s almost impossible to miss, in fact if you play it at all you can pretty easily find it out. Additionally in lore vault tec was in with the enclave who ARE the US govt, so it’s not a stretch to have nukes, even if it wasn’t explained in 76.
Secondly, he did not huff the ghoul serum, it says nowhere that it was the same serum or if he’s truly even a ghoul (Could be FEV). We see the chicken molester mix it up in the spot and create something.
Finally we know when the show takes place, they’ve told us it’s 2296. And it’s been confirmed several times that shady sands wasn’t nuked in 2077.
@@screech-screecher536 So following the quest line of 76 they actively use those silos to bomb the area, there is no possible way that they have infinite nukes post great war. Also, 76 takes place in West Virginia while the show takes place in California, if he fired nuke from WV than I'm going to have even more questions regarding this nuke.
So he doesn't mix it up on the spot nor does he create it right there, he just fills the inhaler with the liquid and claims he concocted it, nothing to confirm that he actually did concoct it himself. Do not write for the writers. As far as what was written adn shown and said, he was turned into a ghoul, with seeing how cooper is basically psuedo immortal, and how he now seems to be as well, it is not a stretch to make an assumption based on the information given and presented, until they actually explain things (like they should have in the first place.)
Yeah, no one is saying they were nuked in 2077, that would be impossible shady sands didn't even exist then ??????
The problem with Maximus is that he lacks any charisma whatsoever. I don't know what they were thinking making him one of the three main characters in a TV show. He's a fine actor, but exactly wrong for this role. He's also not written especially well, having giant swings in characterization every other scene.
I think you also hit on my other big issue with the show - the story is put together a bit uninterestingly. The first episode should probably have dropped the BOS, and saved them for episode 2. There should have been more cliffhanger endings to episodes or delayed storylines to keep you asking questions. It felt like everything was just switching back and forth between all perspectives equally in time, which is easy to follow, but doesn't make the best story.
The vault door opening to white felt like a perfect spot for a cliffhanger, but then we just cut to outside. The ghoul getting dug up felt like a perfect cold open scene, but it just ends the episode. The bomb drop scene seemed like 2 minutes too long or 5 minutes too short - as it stands, there was not enough payoff for the people's reactions after the bombs to justify the setup before the bombs. Episode 3 also probably works better if the cold open is lucy getting dropped in the water as bait, but as it stands it's the third scene. Imagine episode 2 ending with her dropping the head and subsequently getting captured as a cliffhanger - as it stands she just walks off into the distance. Just a lot of basic TV editing mistakes.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Alot of your critique would seem to imply you need to play more Fallout 3. Todd was an executive producer on the show which imo is apparent just from watching, but he didn't have anything to do with New Vegas. The nuke in Megaton has a vault tec logo on it and so does a random encounter nuke in New Vegas. And the quest Oasis in Fallout 3 is an example of living over 100+ years outside of the only 3 options you say. Why complain about game accurate gore as well, sometimes vats blows people apart sometimes it doesn't even with the same gun. And the power armor getting stuck could be (i know this is a stretch) a reference to Bethesdas infamous bugs. And calling the brotherhood "the good guys" in fallout 3 is silly the only thing they are good for is picking the power armor off their dead bodies.
I think with the power armour - he had a special key didn't he.
Alright everyone I take back any defense of this show after a little bit of thought i realized they completely retcon ghoul lore with no precedent set by any game and a nameless substance/macguffin and the writers thought we would be dumb enough not to notice because they didn't name it.
@@gaspanda i was referencing the scene where his leg got stuck in the power armor in a wooden walkway.
@@JoeLigmama i though that was just to demonstrate he was a novice in the armour. The show is good, if there are a few tweaks in the lore that's fine. The show fits into 8 hours what the games have 100s of hours to do.
The bomb logo is similar but it's not the same of the vault tec
I feel like 2277 meant to be the start of the NCRs decline, like the fall of rome being attributed to the year where rome started declining
The one big thing that had me scratching my head about was that it was mid-morning on Saturday, October 23, 2077, when we see Nate and Nora rush to Vault 111 with baby Shaun in tow. So … how is it midday over on the west coast when we see Cooper performing at a rich brat’s birthday party, where there’s a 3-hour time difference, which would have put it much earlier for west coast people to be facing the nuclear apocalypse? I mean, even if somehow they managed to delay it until people were more awake, they would have heard something about all the bombs going off over on the east coast?? 😅 Well, still a good intro but that logic caught me off guard.
Being that I saw the Twin Towers being hit while having a very early breakfast (5:16am), since I was living near Portland, Oregon. I’m used to those time differences between coasts. So that’s what stuck out to me.
I hate to be that guy, but re: 5:50, in one of the older Fallout games, the Brotherhood built a bunch of airships. The Fallout 4 plot involving the Brotherhood was derivative of that earlier game. I don't really like Fallout tactics -or- Fallout 4, but that much makes perfect sense in the TV series.
Too many Fallout RUclipsrs seem to lean too heavily on New Vegas onwards for their lore.
Was the show ever confirmed to take place within the same continuity as the games? I wouldn't necessarily even mind the inconsistencies if it was an entirely different canon.
Todd on record saying everything in the show is canon.
Todd Howard said that it is cannon and that future Fallout games will treat it as such. Whether that stays true after the fan backlash is anyone's guess.
@@NathanWeeks considering that the backlash is from people not understanding how timelines work I think it’s safe to assume this is still cannon.
They incorporated familiar elements from the games into a great show. I feel like that exactly what I wanted with it.
With a video game adaptation, that's really the best you can hope for.
A great show? Inebriated were you?
@@WhoDaresWinso7 were you lol? Yeah, it was a great show
I'm going to "short answer" this, during the intro, but yeah... I found that going in with 0 expectations, it's pretty damn good.
The MacGuffin about "cold fusion" made little sense to me when you have FUSION CORES already in game. Why were the BoS only using an assault rifle that looked similar to FO4's crappy assault rifle--where are the laser, plasma, and gauss rifles?
Lore gripes aside, I enjoyed the stories of the 3 main characters.
If you had FUSION CORES, why would the Brotherhood or Institute care about MassFusion?
The cold is where the energy is stored 😂
Fusion cores are miniature nuclear batteries that have a 250-500 year shelf life. A Cold Fusion generator bypasses certain thermodynamic rules- such as the more power it generates, the less heat it generates. This, in theory, could allow an activated reactor to work in perpetuity.
Why didn’t cold fusion make sense to you? It’s literally infinite power. People would end the world fighting for something like that in real life, never mind in the world of fallout. I think it was a cool goal. Plus, they even mentioned cold fusion before in a terminal in the institute in fo4, so it’s really cool to see them take tiny details from past games and make them into plot points
They absolutely nail the feel of FO4 and really do a good job of making that 50s-esque culture come alive. It feels more vibrant and understandable than i was expecting it to come across.
And sure, there's plenty of issues with parts of the writing, but overall it's still so much better than most shows out right now, that i think those issues can be overlooked.
Also, I think it's clear this adaptation is done by ppl who at least respect the IPO, if not outright fans themselves. So honestly, it's not perfect but i think it's worthwhile and entertaining.
It's nice to watch something that takes an IPO i love and keeps it feeling familiar. Between this and Dune, I've finally been happy-overall with a few recent big projects... even if they're not 100% faithful to the source material.
The BoS remembered me straight on the Fallout 1 BoS, just with of a secured area for them.
BoS in the Series looks like they are paranoid and insecure.
I think moldaver survived via cloning ... and we will see her again in season 2 also if i remember right some non rocket atom bombs are in vaulttecs possesion.
Do you know what cloning is?
that would b dumb. she has the exact same motivations, personality and everything bc her genetics are the same?
So quick to point out errors that aren't even there... for example Maximus is _not_ declared a knight by his old friend there at the end. He is hailed as a 'future knight', predicting that he will be promoted not promoting him on the spot. Before you become pedantic you have to be sure you're pointing out things that actually happened and not just what you thought happened. Complaining about the dogs being bred true for 200 years when given the tech on display and the way they were presented you were probably meant to assume they were cloned. Hell, even assuming Shady Sands was nuked a second time (though it probably was) when all the show actually stated was that it was bombed. It was only a small city so conventional weapons could easily have wiped it out. People love to point at details and claim 'Plot hole!' when it's just as believable the characters are just mistaken or have a different perspective. Pointing to 2277 as "The Fall of the NCR" with a line and arrow pointing to a mushroom cloud doesn't have to mean the bombs fell in 2277. According to New Vegas the First battle of Hoover Dam happened in 2277, part of an unpopular expansion into the Mojave and it's easily believable the survivors at home chose that time as the beginning of 'the fall' the same way historians point to different dates, generally periods, as the fall of various countries and empires. If anything, a clean and precise timeline that everyone knows about and agrees on is less believable than conflicts and confusion. (Edit) Also, complaining about things that just haven't been explained yet but are obviously going to be key to future episodes (like Moldaver still being around) is just pointless whining. She was complaining about being bought out by Vault Tech so my first guess is she was trying to take them down from the inside and was actually one of the people in Vault 31, but they could have a whole different explanation in the works.
I actually think the timeline thing with Shady Sands may be incorrect. Only due to the specific inclusion not showing 2277 as the nuclear event it instead lists it as The Fall of Shady Sands with the nuclear event happening afterwards. In New Vegas one of the things we learn about the NCR specifically is that they are stretched far too thin to protect any of their territories so it may be that Shady Sands had another event that lead to a sort of downturn before the nuclear event happened.
Also on a Wired interview with the cast they state that the events of the show take place in 2296 so having the bomb dropped in 2277 would really put it too soon. I believe they are going to potentially canonize the Mr House ending for New Vegas which would have weakened the NCR's hold further which is why we see things in such disarray. I believe one of the visions Todd Howard has for the fallout series as a whole is to restrict and reduce any potential revitalization of America instead keeping to isolated and warring factions in an eternal wasteland.
I can appreciate that as a creator Grey is probably way deeper in the lore that I am and some of his criticism comes from that, but it is a much harsher review than I would give it. To be clear, I am old enough that I have loved Fallout and played both 1 and 2 when they were new releases, my kick ass CPU was called a Pentium, and RAM was measured in mega-, not Giga-bytes.
I thought about the upcoming release like I thought when I heard 20+ years ago that Peter Jackson was making a Lord of the Rings movie. It is a source material that I love and know very well. All I ask is that they don't stray too far from the source and don't go cheap or fuck it up. In my view like the LOTR movies this was a complete success IMHO, though open to some minor criticism.
One thing that I do agree with was the criticism of vials Coop takes to prevent turning. It makes zero sense. They establish that he needs 1 vial per day (two months, 60 vials are mentioned). So how could he come out of the grave not feral?
Aside from that the show was a triumph, for me at least.
I'm assuming that's what was in the IV bags that were hung on the cross above his grave.
Im a hardcore fallout fan and i adore this show, the new lore and everything this show as to offer.
I want 8 seasons NOW
Best guess for Moldaver is that we have a Cabot situation: contact with some sort of eldritch artifact, or cursed rite, like we see with Obadiah Blackhall in Point Lookout, or Lorenzo Cabot in Fallout 4.
I think cryo is most likely, but I could see synth or clone being the answer they go with as well.
There's no way they don't bring her back or explain her though, right? Not having Cooper and her interact 200 years on is a criminal disservice
ngl i only played fallout 4 and never played the older games but this show has introduced me to new lore and factions and now i wanna play and experience the older fallout games.But to not give all credit to them i also watched alot of your vids and the new vegas ones make me wanna experience the story telling of that game.
this guy constantly shits on the first 2 for beiing impossible to play. i think tahts unfair, u would probably have a really good time if u arent as picky as this guy is
Recently found your channel and enjoying your videos so far. A few things that you might not have known at the time you made this video that I think are worth talking about is that: Shady Sands wasn't nuked in 2277, that's when it "fell" (which is still stupid since that would have been mentioned in NV at least but I won't get into it now because of my final point). The series has been confirmed canon so its safe to assume a good portion of its lore will continue into future games. And a second season has been confirmed which is nice.
My final and most important point is that with how the show shakes up the lore, it is worthy remembering that the show isn't done yet. I know its easy to forget since most shows nowadays feel like each season is its own thing just in case they cancelled. Vault-Tec is implied to have dopped the bombs but that's never actually confirmed yet (maybe the chinese beat them to it). Mr. House might not have been prepared because he expected the bombs to drop later but they dropped early (also House's appearance was just fanservice and I personally would have preferred he not be here).
While we can speculate about the lore changes (which I enjoy), its worthy remembering that speculating now is like reading a third of a book and assuming things based on that alone.
Overall I enjoyed the show. Clearly they made a lot of this for the fans with all of the Easter Eggs etc. But, Vault Tec nuking Shady Sands didn't make sense, non ghoul serum was odd, the Enclave still alive and strong was interesting and since there's an Enclave update coming to Fallout 4 I guess that makes sense, the Brotherhood is a mess in the series and I didn't care for Maximus, but Dogmeat was here and he's a good boy. The meeting with all of the big wigs was new and to me, Mr. House was uninterested as he already had The Lucky 38 fortified and was working on his robot army and missile defense system (my opinion). Great video sir - keep up the great work.
Normie.
The House always wins! Glad House rejected that Vault-Tec nonsense and went his own way.
I say yes. If you take into consideration how large LA-Boneyard is it makes sense why we don't see locations that were in game. Like NCR land has factories and LA has the Angel Medical University but we don't see it. Also their land is said to be rebuilt but we never see how much.
Personally i'd like to think the timeline for Shady Sands has been misread or at least poorly done. The fall of shady sands starts in 2077 but not necessarily nuked until after New Vegas. This would also make sense for Lucy and Maximus as they where both children at the time and look early 20s at the start of the show.
I also think House still forming his own way of survival after the war while being privy to vault-tec info could be out of a distrust of vault-tec while knowing it or possibly wanting to have more control than was offered
For the bullet gore in the show, I thought it was perfect. It was very fallout, it was exactly what I would want. Making it realistic woulda been boring
One tiny little nit picky detail I couldn’t get over was the timing of the bombs dropping. The Bombs fell on the east coast between 9:30 and 10 AM. Which means those kids were having a birthday party at 5 or 6 in the morning. Which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Hey, maybe the birthday boy had a baseball game later that day so they had to have the party early
@@Giddog40 Still seems a bit of a plot hole considering The Great War canonically only lasted 2 hours before each side was left radioactive craters. It's possible the ones in the show hit at the end and an interruption of communications just left the West Coast unaware that the rest of the country had already been nuked but more likely it's a continuity error. I'm glad I'm not the only one that was confused over the timing of the nuclear detonations in the show.
When does bethesda writing make sense, like wtf is going on with the whole powerarmor ironman ripoff/reject
They also said it was a Saturday when the bombs fell but many schools throughout the games also have skeletons of kids in them sooo I think at this point they've never really gave a sh*t about the exact logistics of the day the bombs fell and focused more on the simple fact it was mutually assured destruction.
@@supranova7594 It's possible that kids went to school on Saturday in the Fallout universe or the schools could have been used as shelters in the immediate aftermath of the Great War with many of the initial survivors dying of radiation but considering the number of places with skeletons in positions that look like the person died when the bombs fell it's probably more of the games not sticking to what makes sense for where everyone would be when the bombs fell Saturday morning (early Saturday morning on the West Coast). So, for example, when they design a pre-war school the devs just automatically fill it with skeletons of kids "because it's a school".
The show definitely used the "fiduciary duty" correctly. In terms of having maximizing the benefit of their investors over that of the remaining global population
When the casuals get bored what happens to the show? A bunch of fans watched the first and won't watch the 2nd. You don't make casuals into hardcores you guys don't buy products or watch shows that aren't pushing "the message".
Lemme know how the witcher worked out...oh it didn't. 😂
10:42 those aren't German Sheppard that where used in the show. I think those are belgian shepherds.
Probably because German Sheppards are so badly bred for snow that you can't do shit anymore with them. Even German police force isn't using them anymore. At least nor the iconic breeding line.
That thing you said about playing a peacekeeper in fallout games is definitely me as well. I can't help but play as a Minuteman General in fallout 4.😄
We didn't hide under our desks to protect us from the bombs, we did it to protect us from collapsing ceilings.
Which was only done during a bomb threat or tornado threat. It's more of a running joke that the desks were meant to protect you from those causes of a collapsing building rather than the debris but go ahead and be technical. You lead a fun life.
@@TheGLORY13 When your 'running joke' is continuously used to imply the people of the day were idiots, you eventually train new generations that that's just the way things worked. That's the way propaganda works.
Same with the 'Russian space pencil' meme. I can't count how many blazing young intellects have pulled that one out of their blowholes over the years as though it were checkmate.
It gets old having to listen to sneering idiots who don't know what they're talking about claim people they don't know aren't as smart as they are. So, yeah, I'll get technical. And have fun spitting in the face of keyboard intellectuals.
My guy posted 2 Nimitz class carriers and was like “Look at all the differences”
*it’s the same picture meme*
For the BoS airship, isn’t it more likely they’re both built or are a repaired pre-war design?
I think it's neat how we see Sinclair from the Sierra Madre and a Big Mt representative. I wonder if the Big Mt rep is supposed to be Dr. Klein or Dr. Mobious (before they became those names.)
The rep IS Sinclair, it shows the actors and who they played when you pause the scenes.
Love the video Grey, I just wanted to share what I thought on the show after watching it myself.
I do think Robert House makes some sense as he is fairly sceptical of VaultTecs schemes and was likely already deep in his preparations in the face of the looming war and probably wouldn't trust ValutTec to not hold him prisoner if he relied on their tech.
It also makes sense that the chip doesn't make it to him on time if he was working with VaultTecs timeline but then China went ahead and started the party early, which fits a lot of established stuff in the games, VaultTec were planning to launch the first nuke which they never got the chance to fire, presumably from California as that is where the Triad Vault was, which explains how they still had access to a Nuke in the end.
I read the historical timeline for Shady Sands as a decline of their power as a result of whatever canon ending was selected for Fallout NV followed by their nuclear destruction where they didn't state a year because it's so recent everyone knows it.
The only other thing I could think of is why this brotherhood of steel is so dickish is West Coast branches tend to be more assholeish. In the first game they send you to a place to die for a laugh for example, I also think that the elders here are far more "Orthodox" than Maxim, I feel Maxim is still a bad leader for the East Coast but I don't think he is solely to blame for all the people being so shitty.
The rest of the video mirrors my sentiments 100%
Loved the show, binged it all last night. Loved all the characters, but haven’t heard anyone mention this yet: does Maximus remind anyone else of Finn from the Sequel trilogy? He’s a flakey soldier who lies about his qualifications to the leading lady, he’s motivated ultimately by his feelings for her, and he uses the most iconic gear in the series (power armor/lightsaber), but poorly due to lack of training. Ultimately I liked Maximus, moreso than Finn beyond episode VII, but I noticed a fair share of striking similarities.
He's like an uncharismatic Finn, yes. I've seen this mentioned - wish we had Finn instead.
I agree that some of the full 3d cg creatures were a bit cheesy, but there was a ton of really well done "invisible" cg that fills out the crowds, the backgrounds of landscapes, the entire post-bomb cityscape, all of the brotherhood flying stuff - the art direction on all these things was really true to the source material while not breaking my immersion at all with the live action elements of the frame. There's a great sizzle reel of some of the great CG work from the vfx studio RISE on youtube if you want to see how many of the things were cg you wouldn't expect.
21:18 how do you know todd wasn't part of actually making or producing show? i'm just genuinely curious if there's a source for that somewhere, part of me thinks its kinda the same with the games as well but if someone has a source let me know.
26:19 People portray Obsidian as some godsent developers where in fact they are not. New Vegas was special because most of Obsidian was there especially Josh Sawyer during its development. But they were already scattered by the time the Outer Worlds dropped and Josh Sawyer wasn't there for the Outer Worlds' development, it tried to be the next New Vegas but failed.
What made the show great was not because of Bethesda alone as seen with their recent games. But the director and producer was Jonathan Nolan one of the writers for Interstellar and the Batman movies which is why the show was great (at least for me).
Playing since the 90s. Played a GURPS campaign for years. Show was fun, my wife who never played anything loved it. It was fun to be able to share it with her.
19:31 it wasn't in 2277, the arrow indicates it was sometime after 2277.
The best thing Amazon could do with Fallout is to make a limited miniseries spin off of the Survivalist
23:50 cooper has the bloody mess perk. That’s my head cannon on why his kills are so gory.
I hope that the show creators watch this and try to mitigate some of the lore damage they've done in the next season! Great vid. Liked.
So, the enclave guy didn't create the cold fusion device, that's a vault tec artifact he's working with.
Mauldever makes no sense whatsoever
The Ghouls needing a medicine to keep from going feral I don't know if it is a contrivance or if it is a case of an unreliable narrator. We're all just assuming they need it because they said they do... but what is it and how do they KNOW they need it? For all we know it's a placebo and they're just dosing themselves with pond scum.
There's a bigger problem with the vault raid scene in that it makes no sense. Mauldever is acting as the head of the NCR, and yet also had the time to forge a raider band into a merc squad for her to take over vault 33 with? Like, she needed them to NOT KILL the overseer without them knowing what he looked like, and then expecting RIADERS to carry out a planned assault? Shouldn't she have used the remnants of the NCR rangers? There's apparently some left.
WHO CLEANED VAULT 32
WHY DID VAULT 32 KILL EACH OTHER!?
moldover, mauldever... whatever her name is, yeah I was considering including her leading raiders in my plot holes section but I'd already spent too much time on it.
@@Theegreygaming Well that. Why use some of the former non-expendable NCR people when you can hire some cannon fodder raiders to do the job? That was my take on that.
I was thinking this miracle drug for ghouls was for those ghouls who have finally reached the point where feralization has start to set in and this is the only way to stave it off. This could be a recent cure which is why we haven't seen it
As CollideFan said, the serum for the ghouls doesn't seem to break anything. Cooper was only using it for 20 or so years. It was just a way to avoid going feral once the process started.
And lets not forget the waterchip that broke and everyone cared about it for what 30 seconds ? just to be never mentioned again.
@GreyGaming Fiduciary responsibility is actually accurate here, however the show doesn't explain why. In either Fallout 76 or Fallout 2 we learn Vault Tech is a shell company for the Enclave during the Pre-war days. I think Fallout 76 talks about the political and financial corruption with the Vaults and maybe the show is revealing that they had a change of plans and decide to turn their corrupt political scheme into a reality. The purpose of instigating The Great War in The Enclave's logic was to wipe the slate clean, getting rid of communism and political strife, to create a brand new world after nuclear armageddon with a population that wouldn't question the ideals of democracy. It would also stop the Resource Wars and allow the Earth to recuperate resources.
The only thing that really stood as as a bad effect was the T-60s walking in from the airfield in episode 1. They all had the exact same blemishes and battle damage. It was clear the just used one suit and composited it not the shot six times.
Just to let you know the question at the beginning as to why people would watch a review and get mad for spoilers. People watch revies for your opinion overall, is it worth spending the time and/or money to watch myself. A review shouldn't spoil anything, maybe just a general sense of what happens... AKA she leaves to find her dad... etc. A review shouldn't contain spoilers. A recap, overview, or rundown would be a better title for this than review.
Also if there are spoilers than it 100% needs to say that in the title so people don't click and skip ahead to get past intro, etc to get to the meat of the review.
Thank you for at least saying it in the video that there are spoilers. Your description doesn't even say spoilers either. So I can totally see why someone would get mad wanting to watch a REVIEW and getting spoilers.
Hope that helps with your confusion! Can't comment on the rest of the vid as I'm still on episode 4 and I do not want spoilers.
Great content overall though!
What’s your sci fi channel? I’d love to see your video on that
where is everyone getting that Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 because the show sure as hell never says that, it's never said even once when the bombs were dropped and they've confirmed that New Vegas did happen
It says so on a blackboard in vault 4 in episode 6 you can see it yourself
In all fairness though, I feel like it's a mistake for it to be 2077 because maximus would have to be nearing 30 at the time of the show which doesn't seem like it
I had to think about it for a second as well. My own rationalization is that the "Fall of Shady Sands" corresponded to when their gold reserves were wiped out by the BOS, creating the fiat currency established in New Vegas. This also helps to justify the "First Capital" slogan on the sign we see. If Shady Sands got raided, the legislature may want to move to a new location while keeping Shady Sands as a cultural capital or something like that. It's a few hoops to jump through but it still works in my opinion.
Hank also said that Lucy's mom died in 2277. It was in the first episode.
9:14 I don't remember a point where Maxson only recruits externally. I remember the announcements on the Prydwen prohibiting fraternisation with locals but nothing forbidding relationships within the organisation. I might be missing something though.
The shows Brotherhood, that has its members essentially not educated on sex, just seems so at odds with an organisation that has historically taken great care to ensure it's population remains genetically viable. It didn't seem like a natural extension of the East Coast Brotherhood at all. They should have been prideful to a fault. Absolute zealots, convinced of their invincibility as their presence indicates they won the War of the Commonwealth. Instead they're cowardly, stupid and in some cases totally disenfranchised with the Brotherhood.
Just seemed like a weird direction for them to go.
the no-fraternizing stuff comes up a few times in discussions with Danse and Haylen. since the BoS operates in isolated chapters, the existence of one chapter doesn't necessarily mean another was successful during an earlier event, but there was a passing reference to Maximus' mission coming from "the highest clerics in the commonwealth" which does suggest that no matter what the outcome was, they still have a presence there that is highly respected among other chapters.
@@Theegreygaming I just checked and the closest we get to some kind of no-fraternising stuff is Danse chiding you for an inappropriate comment regarding him holding you. Haylen saying Rhys rejected her because he only has room for the Brotherhood and an announcement that says unsanctioned social contact with Commonwealth locals is prohibited. I can't find anything about no fraternising within ranks. I checked the text files and I might of missed something but I can't find what you're referring to.
My assumption that the BoS won is due to the presence of the Prydwen (you can see it's the Prydwen during the arrival scene. It's written on the side of it when the smoking kids are gawping at it). I guess the only other option is that the Minutemen won and some kind of accord was made but considering the Brotherhood we see in the show. I dunno, they don't seem the diplomatic type.
That or the Prydwen was destroyed but an identical copy was built by a now hugely weakened chapter with a fraction of the resources it had the first time.
23:34 has a problem with the fact the ghoul used both explosive and regular ammunition for the same gun (witch is entirely possible)
But not with a tranquilizer working nearly instantly on already drugged up raiders and then later doing LITERALLY NOTHING to the ghoul.
Different ammo types exist and it also matters where it hits (including with regular ammunition)
Tranquilizer takes TIME, especially if the target has something in their system already
I just need to pause real quick and say thank you for addressing the difference between stake holder capitalism and fiduciary responsibility. I know current generation would like to seamlessly blend the two to make it extra super secret double evil, but they are in fact very different so thank you
Great run down. I had ZERO expectations for the TV series. I didn't want to get my heart broken, but I enjoyed it. The whole intelligence ghouls need medicine really bothers me. I wonder if they will just drop it for the rest of the series, hahahahhaa.
Thanks for being you.
It didn't sound like ghouls actually needed the serum in general. Just that the serum can keep them from turning feral once they started.
I want to note that the ghouls guns seem to be gyrojets, so theoretically you could put explosive loads in them as they're just small rockets, still not 100% realistic but at least it has an explanation
I am a die-hard vault dweller, I am not all in the lore... but I have played 76 since day 1 and still play to this day. (I am only missing one scoreboard and that was because I got made while doing a camp build and said I was quitting for a month... ugh I am an idiot). I have play 4 on PC and gotten pretty far but recently started over on xbox. In saying all of that I really love the series. The hubs and I have been watching it and I plan on watching it all in a binge session this weekend. I get it has some bugs... but its bug-thesda soooo lol no shocker there friends. In all, I am so ready for season 2!
Oh and I want to add: Y'all this show is bringing so many new vault dwellers to the game, and that is always a good thing!
So you play trash so your opinion matters?
This show is like fallout 4, its not trying to bring in the fans, but the widest audience possible.
That’s a great way to put it. Cause I’m halfway through episode 1 and as a hardcore fallout fan I already know this show isn’t for me
So that's the reason for the gratuitous (but welcome) fan service.
as I said, its for tourists, those "I have seen that before and I clapped" people
This is it exactly. The show has both the strengths and obvious weaknesses of F4. It looks good and the exploration is great, but the writing leaves a lot to be desired. It's possibly the worst adaptation of New Vegas.
@@sternencolonel7328 All adaptations and the vast majority of sequels, prequels, and spin offs are for tourists. Even the Expanse, which I consider to be quite possibly the best adaptation ever made, watered down the science that the book series was renowned for whenever it could and smashed characters together to keep the cast size down. It's the price we pay to get shit we like put on screen at all.
the casa whatever got confirmed to just be the prydwinn
Thoughts:
Quite often while playing the games I've had a thought as I walk the wasteland and I wish the live-action would have addressed it: the stench must have been gut-wrenching.
I liked how the three characters were written in three different playing styles (good/neutral/evil) before applying some character development to two of them (I'm with you on Maximus).
I didn't like that L.A. parents scheduled their kid's birthday party before 7AM.
I'm guessing there will be enough of a backlash over the Shady Sands date that it will try to be explained away as a mistake in season 2.
I feel like this BOS acted in a very un-brotherhood manner, and I'm glad you addressed it.
Also....we're just not going to talk about Lucy having the Aquagirl perk in the 'baiting the gulper' scene, huh?
A fair and well-made review. I was really on the fence about the show, and I am happy you helped me settle about if I should watch it or not.
the question I have for you, which side of the fence did you fall?
@@Theegreygaming I fell to the side if not watching it. I did want to check it out cause I heard good things. But it honestly just seems like I'm not going to enjoy it in the end.
It's actually really good. Some won't like it, but it really doesn't seem as bad as he made it out. Nothing against GG. He gave his honest review. And you might end up feeling the same way. But you may feel like many other fallout fans and think this show is one of the best game based show/movie ever.
All I can say for sure is that you should watch it and try to do so with an open mind.
Watch it! Ignore the nitpickers, as it is a good show. Better than most shows out there, at the moment.
1. One number on a chalkboard doesn't break the lore. Consider that these are the ash-smearing, poster-worshiping random assortment of people who happened to survive a nuclear attack. Consider it's possible that for one reason or another they may not have been the most educated out of all the residents pre-nuke. Is it perhaps possible that they just got the year wrong? Or that one of the inbred multi-generation vault residents was the teacher, and *they* got the year wrong and stuck with it after being corrected, in true Lucy/Gucy tradition? The only thing canon about 2277 is that it was *on the chalkboard* not that it was the correct year.
2. There are ghouls in Fallout who stay non-feral for a really long time by having a strong mental focus and goal to keep them striving, true. But do you think there might be ghouls who'd pay through the nose (sorry) for a drug that promised it would prevent ghouls from going feral -- and it wouldn't matter if the drug *didn't work at all* because the ghouls who have a supply, keep taking it, and go feral anyway aren't in any position to *tell anyone* that the drug just gets you high and doesn't stave off going feral at all. Again, the only thing that's canon is that two ghouls *believe* the drug keeps you from going feral -- and one of them, who doesn't mention running out or going without for a long time, goes feral anyway.
Unfortunately your theory doesn't hold weight when you bring Maximus's involvement in the incident into play. In the series we see him at around age 17-20. The show itself takes place in the year 2296. 2296-17=2277. Even with a 2 to 3 year margin of error, it unfortunately is a retcon.
@@PlasticSpork_ When is his age given? If it is given, why don't you know it, instead of having a four year error bar? Simple answer: they don't say how old he is.
Second problem: he was already a boy when he gets out of the refrigerator, not a toddler nor an infant. He would have had to be at least 5 or 6 years old in the flashback. So, he could have been 5 or 6 in 2284, be 17 or 18 in 2296, the Vault 4 chalkboard has the wrong year, and his age works.
You're basing a lot on your plain old assumption about how old Maximus is, but even your assumption about his age (your guess that he for some reason must have been born between 2276 and 2280 despite that not even working with the 2277 date at all) doesn't contradict what we see, *if the 2277 year is a Vault 4 clerical error.*
In fact, your assumption that he must be between 17 and 20 in 2296 *REQUIRES* that the 2277 date on the board be incorrect in-universe, because he would have been an infant or not yet born at all in 2277 with that age range. Your 17-20 age range would *REQUIRE* that the bomb explode *AFTER* the events in New Vegas in 2283 to make any sense at all. If he was born between 2276 and 2280, as you insist, he would have been between 4 and 8 years old in 2284, and if we assume the resolution of the NCR/Legion conflict in Fallout: New Vegas made the NCR seem a threat requiring nuclear response, his apparent age fits with a 2284 attack on Shady Sands.
And we do know from on-screen dialog that the Vault 4 Overseer will prefer whatever is written down in his paperwork over eyewitness testimony and plain fact, as he refuses to recognize that Lucy knows her own name better than him and continues to insist *to her* that her name is Gucy because that's what her paperwork says. So it is entirely possible that the Shady Sands refugees could have repeatedly corrected the teacher, and the year just keeps getting written on the board wrong because that's what's written down somewhere, facts given by people who survived the actual event notwithstanding.
Big Iron would have been a good theme for the Ghoul
A extremely fair review, thanks for your take on it! I can’t lie I really enjoyed it and am very excited for the second season to see where it goes.
I saw another video where they showed that it was the Prydwin.
I think alot of people are ignoring the fact that the show actually has good writing and good camera work, and really good environmental storytelling. I dont understand why people cant just enjoy something when its actually pretty good on a basic level. The 2277 date is the only major problem the community is having.
I agree with you, for the most part, that was really the one thing that heavily swayed me away from an otherwise fairly positive review. I do think a lot of people are disliking it just because it's based on bethesda fallout more-so than interplay fallout. not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, it's a free country and all, but even Tim Cain said he thoroughly enjoyed the series. I don't see how that's "spitting in the face of the original creators" as I'm seeing left in so many comments.
Because it shits on the IP and the lore and the fans, and people are smart enough to question why they didn't just make it an entirely unrelated IP (Not calling it fallout).
It's got moments of good writing amidst a whole lotta nothingburger writing. Like that aspirant in the first episode asking, "What model is that?" And Maximus says, "T-60."
The Brotherhood only uses *two* fucking models of power armor. How can an aspirant be unable to tell one from the other? How is Maximus knowing the answer character building? That was an F-tier writing moment right there. One of *many* .
I'll give you the camera work though. It was really good.
The date of destruction of Shady Sands is only the tip of the iceberg. The fact that Todd's version of the Fallout universe can't handle post-post-apocalypse, so they had to wipe out the only bit of real societal progress that was going on on the continent in the most idiotic and sweep-under-the-rug kind of way possible, is the body of that iceberg. They essentially removed Fallouts 1, 2, Tactics and NV from the history of the world, like they never happened. NCR was objectively a bigger, more powerful and more important organization than BoS. But they were boring and they didn't wear power armor. So they had to go.
@@Theegreygamingbecause the writers clearly know nothing about the game. If you've seen in the interviews of the show, the writers claim that the fallout series has always been about the "haves and have nots" of the wastes, even though it's clearly not, the original games weren't even a criticism of unchecked capitalism but were quite literally about blowing shit up, but even under Bethesda it could be argued it's just about struggle for control and power over a clearly ruined nation and of course survival in a terrible wasteland.
@@i_am_ergo Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
LOL - I was one of those kids trained to hide under my desk in case of nuclear war.
A ship 3000 people had the runs and septic system broke? CVN 77 maiden cruise?
dude.... quiet down, they'll know. GHWB, No Freedom At Work.
I’ve watched dozens of these comment video and no has mention the huge plot hole in the opening episode about the 3 vaults . Noting the wedding dress and dates and also the tri-annual exchange , also the frequent contact with the other overseers , would not the Vault 33 overseer recognise Maldover ? Even after 3,6 , 9 years you would still recognise someone as important as that . Also the tattoos were so visible on some of the raiders , hmmm
I think you and Oxhorn put way too much into Shady Sands falling in 2277. Mantis made a video on it too. I kinda agree with his assessment.
I love the games and I really enjoyed this show - I thought it was pretty much as good as it could be. They are making a TV show, not a game, and I thought it was well acted, funny and captured the spirit of the games and paid due reverence.
Hiding under a desk is quite helpfull if you are not close to the epicenter of the explosion...There is a certain degree of protection from splintering glass and the ceiling coming down.
It wasn't as idiotic as people portray it nowedays...of course one question remains: How to survive afterwards...
Love your take! Possible spoilers below
I personally loved the show. I do disagree a bit with the brotherhood points. I always saw the brotherhood as a techno cult in the early games and new Vegas. Lyons pride was simply a splinter faction and Maxon’s brotherhood drove the militaristic part too far for my taste. The show BOS is a great example of a techno cult with a testosterone filled soldiers. I do agree that it’s kinda backwards of them to then accept outsiders. However given the lore of the brotherhood they can be desperate for new recruits and finally started taking members especially since the NCR isn’t much of a threat.
For the NCR and shady sands, that’s a trickier one. I do agree I was somewhat disappointed with their lack of presence in the show as a government but that doesn’t mean the writers said the NCR was all destroyed. Shady sands was the capital if you believe the citizenship test by the NCR in new Vegas. There is another character that does say it is, so there’s an inconsistency in the background of the NCR. The only other mentions of the capital are just about its government and not the capital. I do think they could have been used better but it’s not as though they were forgotten. There are still tons of towns in the NCR and either one can be the new capital.
As for the the dates of the explosion. I do think it’s kinda off. Would have definitely been something they would mention in new Vegas if it was a part of it. However, they could just as easily have it be just a past reference or named a new town shady sands to commemorate it. Though I do think it sucks they didn’t get to use it as a way to reference the lack of change in corruption from the pre war in post war society.
Maximus was my least favorite character but I like to think he’s gonna be a growing in antognist to Lucy as he starts to believe more and more into the doctrine. Maximus was starting to be better and less nihilistic against people because of Lucy but it might come down to changing the wasteland and Maximus and Lucy will disagree and be our driving fight between two major factions or something like that.
I think your ending was so true for this show. The show has a lot of things for casual fans or newcomers, but can be deeply flawed for others. Do I wish this was the canon in the world? Not really and I’m upset about some things but I still heavily enjoyed it.
I find the nuking of Shady Sands to be the most Fallout thing in the entire show. The moment someone starts to get ahead and truly build a better world, someone comes along and obliterates them for selfish or petty reasons. It happens in various forms in all the games (ESPECIALLY during/before FO4), so the NCR's 'first' capital dying in atomic fire was upsetting, but not surprising. I feel that like Warhammer 40K, the good guys (or the closest facsimile to) aren't supposed to 'win' in Fallout.
Making Vault-Tek still active from the shadows could address why exactly the world hasn't recovered in 200 years. Just like the Institute sabotaging the formation of the Commonwealth, every time someone gets something good going that's NOT part of Vault-Tek's long term plans, they make sure to kick the legs out from under it.
23:57 (While talking about a show where surface people survive a nuclear war, often transforming into ghouls who live forever) "Vault Dwellers survive a Raider attack? This show is unrealistic!"
I'm not sure how someone could play the Fallout games, watch the show and think... "Why isn't this show more like real life?"
A common trait of the show(much like the games) is how characters are almost cartoony in how they react to violence, violence which in itself is cartoony. Lucy reacts to having her finger cut off about the same way someone would if you twisted their arm. Scientist gets his leg blown off, reacts like he stepped his foot into ice water, and then lets a self attaching prosthetic grind the hell out of that leg to attach itself properly("Holy Moley..."). The way characters react to the violence, it's almost like they're observing it happening to an NPC, rather than themselves. Kinda like... players. As a subcontext, it's like there's a self realization that they are fodder to those in control as well as the world in which they inhabit. Because they are.
And the whole deal with weapons kinda pew-pewing away, then one round blowing a gaping hole through someone is a DIRECT homage to the game, where you're peppering a monster full of bullets, then turn on VATS and blow a limb off with one shot. And the gruesome death animations are almost directly swiped from the interplay games, where they'd end up like swiss cheese or an entire side of their chest and torso ends up blown clean off.
IMO, Fallout didn't really need to do anything new. There hasn't been a Fallout game that anyone has cared about since 2015, so for most of us fans, the series is peppered with "Oh yeah, I memba Sugar Bombs!". "Ha! She's accidentally pointing her gun at the guy she's talking to! I used to always forget that.". It freshens our memory of the world, while giving people new to it something that they've never seen before. I think it does both of those things, while giving us a new story in the Wasteland that's at least as compelling as the main stories in those games.
And I also like the overarching theme that they almost beat us over the head with. "New generations come along thinking they know how to save the world, and another group rises up against them that think their own way is best, and they both all but destroy the world in their efforts. Over and over. War never changes."
Thank you
Why move Shady Sands? Why no jetpacks? I can't think of an answer that makes sense. But I am happy that the series is clearly above average, which is not bad really. You have no idea how bad I think it could have been.
23:52 lol I saw the power armor stomping into the hole as a fun "the game is buggy as hell"
The shows Dogmeat is a Belgian malinois
It’s not like the games were consistent on what is cannon
I personally don't like any fandoms fundamentalist approach to "canon" like it's something a creator couldn't retcon or change as the series goes on. I guess since I grew up reading Marvel and DC comics I'm used to canon being something fluid and had the mindset of "I could always go back to an older era of comics if I didn't like the direction the story is heading". A lot of the nitpicks I see about this show are all about how it didn't exactly aligned with how the lore was presented in the games.
Honestly, they really didnt do too bad with the first season, i was actually impressed
I think the show broke with tradition and instead of German shepherd, they used a Belgian Malinois. Very similar breed, but a little smaller and higher energy.
Haven't watched this show because i was afriad it was going to be seriously disappointing.... still not sure if i want to watch it, but thanks for the review. Gonna go BBQ some mirelurks and think about it.
To be honest i still have really played new vegas i started it and thats it
While it wasn't the best, i enjoyed the Fallout mini-series. Yes, there were lore problems with it. Yes, it was terribly fan servicy. I knew before even watching it Dog Meat would be in it. And the constant call backs were more distracting than engaging.
I have been attacked so much for pointing some of the lore breaking points but I also said the show is watchable. Is it a show that I am going to run back to and watch again, maybe the last 3 episodes but what they did to Shady Sands and the NCR is hard to forgive. I am so glad you pointed out the plot hole with Mr. House, it drove me nuts and it seems no one has picked up on it. It complete destroys the whole point of the platinum chip, Mr house spending years on calculating the chance of a nuclear war and so many other things. The set designs were spot on and the music great, you did feel like you were in the fallout universe but I actually liked the pre-war story line better up until the meeting. I think your review was pretty much spot on to how i felt, although I didnt really like Lucy that much, I think Walton Goggins stole the show, his character was great. Oh one last thing, some of the guns must have had the legendary explosive effect on them.
aw man, I forgot to consider legendary effects!
@@Theegreygaming I thought you get a laugh about that.
@@Theegreygaming Not to mention the fact that even in the games sometimes guns make people explode, and sometimes they shrug off headshots. Seemed pretty accurate to my playtime 😜
Maybe those airships were built pre war and appropriated by the brotherhood... you know like everything else they have
It looks like fallout is gonna become an me of those you really hate it or really love it kind of shows…I’m hearing no I’m between online lol
I like the show. Grew up with the original.
it might have been his brother caused house has a brother so it might have been his brother not actually him
Im an avid fallout fan, and the show does have some rough patches, such as the whole shady sands thing, but I think some of you guys are taking this WAY to far. Yes, that lore is dumb....now, your heavily assuming that it wont be explained better in the shows second season (which it will get easily). The show also does heavily imply that the NCR is still around, likely weakend, but still around. They may completely retcon the NCR out of existence or maybe theyll save season 2 to show what has transpired since FoNV.
I think as it stands right now, that lore is dumb, but also it warrents explanation which the show CLEARLY is going to do. So lets all chill out here.
Chill out? Oh this the internet brother, they don’t do that here😂
@@daseancedoesgeek2667 unironically saying that under a rant from the OP. Self awareness isn't your thing. Who tells someone to chill without wanting to be punched in the face? Losers that's who.
The writing is alright, there are some plot issues. The visuals look great, same with costumes, sets, and props. The lore changes are annoying and completely pointless to have done. The changes do nothing for the plot, nor for the world lore since according to Todd Howard, this is canon. Many seem to have only been done for comic relief. And with that they went to hard into the comedy aspects. So many times the comedy took me out of the show. Yes Fallout has some zaney and funny aspects, but this was just to much. Honestly Maximus seemed like a carbon copy of Finn from Star Wars, yet made into more of a comic relief character. The depictions of the BoS and NCR were disappointing. I agree with you on pretty much everyone of your complaints. The music choice got a bit tiring. The era they used has Rock n Roll, use it. Some songs would have been great for some scenes. Overall its alright, far from the best but definitely not the worst. If they were to do a 2nd season, I'd give it a chance.
Okey dokey