I'd buy this game, day 1. I've actually been brainstorming a hypothetical "Tails Adventure" game, carrying on from his desire at the end of Frontiers to venture out on his own.
I like that idea but what about using the cyber energy to zap through the stages and overworld, giving something we didn’t see much of some new spot light.
@ just make it burn through rings faster whenever it enters combat, that way the fight becomes about winning as fast as possible before the form runs out and you are left vulnerable with zero rings in hand
This story has the perfect tone for a Sonic game, character development, action set pieces, just the right amount of call backs to previous material, the big scale, new locations, lore drops that add to the old material instead of replacing it, and most importantly, a sick-ass transformation scene at the end. You did an awesome job taking what people like about Sonic and making something fresh within the realm of possibility, incredible video.
I was dubious of the "Sonic doubt" arc, but the payoff was perfection, well done. I feel like this is a little too ambitious (gameplay-wise) for a direct sequel to Frontiers but I'd love to see something this scale eventually come from Sonic Team.
Yeah I know people are very picky about Sonic being the forever optimist, but I think that's best showcased when we see him struggle and overcome it. I won't please everybody, but that's ok. and yeah it's definitely a wishlist lol. Frontiers 2 will NOT be this crazy
This was great. The story in particular I appreciate because it provides Shadow a path towards happiness. I don't want Shadow's character to live in tragedy. Shadow Generations provided Shadow with "closure" I guess, but it didn't give him a new status quo, just a contextualization of his goals. If Shadow is in the Frontiers sequel than the one thing I want to see is a story that gives Shadow some much needed light in his life.
Me: Sees the thumbnail and is reminded of an awesome Sonic Adventure 3 video I watched some time back, then looks at the creator and remembers it's the same guy 😂😂😂😂. A new video tackling Sonic Frontiers 2 is exactly what I needed.
This was Insane man. I love how both protags were developing at the same time. Sonic and shadow are my favorite characters so this was extra special for me. Love how a lot of the lore tied in with this. Love stuff like paralleling this to SA2. I’d maybe do more or change some characters around, but thats literally just me. Because this project was so good, my only thing would be maybe to make a few more games that lead into the events of this one. Love the characterization of shadow, especially you choosing to include that fist bump at the end. Again man, awesome job. You put a lot of hard work and thought into this, so not only have you got a sub, but I’d definitely love to see more of your ideas in the future. I’d be so amazed if some of this happened in a future game. Again, awesome job. (This game would definitely need Live and Learn playing in its finale)
Okay, can I just say that seeing the return of Hyper Sonic since 1994 and seeing the first appearance of Hyper Shadow was BREATHTAKING to say the least in this pitch for a PERFECT sequel to the best Sonic game after a heap of mid and trash, and I REALLY love how you gave an explanation as to how the hyper forms came back after so long, WITHOUT the Super Emeralds, and the answer was in front of us the whole time... *The Master Emerald...*
this is one of the rare moments when a youtuber asks for me to like and subscribe and I actually do. You are very creative and I wont be shocked if SEGA actually does this. keep making these videos.
YO SEGA HIRE THIS MAN!!! Jokes aside, this is a very well put-together story and if this also had the action stages and open zone of Shadow Generations, I would consider this one of the best Sonic games!
ok so wow just wow this writing is amazing i cant describe with words how good it is i pray sega uses this and hires you as a writer, this is amazing the only nitpick i have is no silver
Amazing pitch! This really does a great job at capturing the heart and themes of the Sonic franchise while also adding on to them. Sadly, I don’t think we’ll get anything like this for a long while, but this is an amazing idea for a culmination of the entire series
Scarf has too much resemblance to another sonic oc wolf with a scarf though, down to the description and name (haven't gone through the whole video, can't be sure of one more detail)
Don’t mind me. I’m just sitting here imagining a world where scarf and tails develop a “rivalry” that’s entirely performative and founded on friendship; basically just the two of them taking games like hide and seek or tag and upping the stakes by using their powers or tech, and whenever one wins the other says “good game, same time next week?” Ya know, just two little brothers entertaining each other while their big bros go off and do who knows what. That’s what’s going on in my head. Side note, setting the ending to Hopes and Dreams made my little heart BURST!
I love that. I wanted to include Scarf's dynamic with other characters, particularly Sage, Rouge, and Tails... but the video would have been twice as long
Great job with the story. Love that scarf is basically shadow's version of tails! I would like to see you expaned on this pitch by explaining how the open zones and action levels are designend like If possible ofcourse.
Great story! And I commend the effort cause that’s A LOT of editing for a hour long video. While hyper sonic might be a little too optimistic, I enjoy the idea of it being a once a decade sort of thing. I don’t think Sega would do this whole story to a T because of just how ambitious it is, however I do hope they take a lot of elements from this. I think sonic can be a little 1 dimensional personality wise and that more emotion would benefit him, just like back in the Archie days. Once again, great video, thank you for the mini movie
I have a lot to say.... I loved every minute of it the dialogue, the character interactions, everything. I had the biggest smile on my face the entire time while watching this. And the inclusion of the hyper forms I was shocked. I really hope Sega brings them back. I also agree that the hyper forms should be used very rarely. I can tell you put a lot of work into this and because of that I think that you just created the best sonic game keep the great work.
This is just the video i was looking for i will definitely enjoy this thoroughly because we have gotten leaks about what could be added also that thumbnail is fire super shadow looks majestic, and it’s just what i hope happens even if sonjc, and shadow only go super together to fight the final boss as a adventure two reference which Ian Flynn is definitely willing to reference, but still frontiers 2 needs shadow, and possibly silver.
4:01 On the topic of bosses; the Titan fights still used the default combat. Super Sonic mainly added boosted power, durability, and most importantly; the power of Flight. What if the flying part was ditched for most of the bosses? For giant bosses, it could be about running around, weaving through attacks, and building up enough(I don't remember much science stuff so instead of momentum or inertia or whatever it's scientifically called, let's call it) Speed Energy, enabling Sonic to careen seemingly out of control and into the air, to deliver an absolutely DEVASTATING Spin Attack!
36:35 this is very interesting. Sure, I have my own ideas for a possible sequel to frontiers and granted it’s nothing like what you’ve shown but it’s still amazing.
Honestly this is one of the best sonic game pitches ive ever seen, the amount of work you put into this is impressive. Id be interested in seeing other ideas like this such as an sa3, sonic movie 4, sonic riders 4, etc for potential ideas. I think there should be a few tweaks though, the biggest one is the playable characters. I think the concept of recruiting characters in both stories, with sonics being his friends and shadow joining with either antagonistic characters or more serious ones is a fantastic concept that id like to see in a future game. The selection itself isnt my ideal pick, i feel like having gemerl or infinite are too much of a wilcard pick and no silver (despite blaze being there) feels a little strange, even though she can work on her own, and vector without the other chaotix is something sonic team does a lot, which is unfortunate, heres how I would fix the roster Team Sonic: -Sonic -Tails -Knuckles -Amy -Cream -The chaotix (as 1 character slot where you always control espio; think of heroes mixed with forces tag team gameplay) -tangle -Whisper Team Shadow: -Shadow -Rouge -Omega -Silver -Blaze -Sage -Surge -Kit 16 characters seems like a lot, but if they all have the same base movement with different combat and traversal moves. if you want to argue that 16 is still way too much, then id say have 6 core characters being required (Sonic, tails knuckles, Shadow, rouge, omega) and the rest are tag team characters who provide extra moves or traversal options. But besides that I think this is a very solid idea for a sonic game. Cant wait for more!
The main reason I didn’t include Silver is because there isn’t (currently) a good reason why he’s hanging around in the past. I do have a video in the oven that should fix that problem - probably coming out sometime in April
I like every element of this story with one exception: the fact that The End is treated as an outright malicious entity. To me, while the end can be seen as a force for evil, the message that I got from frontiers is that it’s a being that simply is.
i'd love this as an actual game, unfortunatly gun was disbanded by eggman during forces, but you could always just say they came back. 28:25 metal sonic: am i a joke too you?
I really like the teams idea, however I would change up some of the characters. I personally would have the teams be… Teams Sonic: Sonic Tails Knuckles Amy Blaze Tangle Surge (Begrudgingly joins the team after an encounter with Shadow that nearly kills her) Team Shadow: Shadow Rouge Omega Gemerl (Since he is a gizoid and all the lore Shadow has with gizoids) Cream (Gemerl wants to save her. Would also provide Shadow with a character with child-like wonder and optimism, not unlike Maria) Sage Whisper (provides a really interesting story of learning to trust Shadow after the Shadow androids killed the original Diamond Cutters)
Before continuing, I have two big ideas for a Sonic-centric game, BUT if we're following the lore from Frontiers 1 like SA2 did with SA1, I'll try to keep as few stuff from the other thing in this as I can. There'd be Five Open Zones, one saved for the Last Story, and the remaining four divided among Two stories. The Hero Campaign would center around Sonic, Blaze, Amy, and Tails. The Dark Campaign would center around Sage, who'd play like an animation mashup of Frontiers' different enemies, alongside Dr.Eggman and two begrudging other characters: Shadow and Knuckles. The Plot/Lore: My idea doesn't go SUPER in detail, but it's an extension of the Frontiers lore. We now know where the Chaos Emeralds came from, but not Why all these gemstones(Master Emerald, Time Stones, Warp Topaz, and Phantom Ruby. Heck, even the Sol Emeralds if you want to link the two worlds even more together) even exist in the first place. Also, it'd delve into that lingering plot thread about the god of the Ancients.
I’d love the idea. I have a great idea for another game: A game focused on a custom character that is similar to Shadow Generations (with the 2d and 3d levels). This game could let you create your own custom characters that will take on either a new story or some of the previous stories putting your characters into certain roles and you could take on the stories in certain orders. For instance, you could take on the story of Sonic Heroes with your characters, then take on the story of Sonic Adventure with your characters. There would be about like 6 or 7 story modes you can play through. This would probably be smaller game released in the middle of the year.
So I had thought of something with someone else on Reddit having this game being a Metal sonic more focused one. Like your two stories it would be one side being sonic and the other being metal sonic. With a beat ‘em up and puzzle solving type game where they both get more abilities and powers as the game goes on, each unique to the characters. This is to utilize Metal’s bio data copying and Sonics natural talent to just be a badass. There would be different bosses, for each character and two bosses where one is base Metal vs Sonic and then Super Neo Metal vs Super sonic. There will be two final bosses for the stories and each story would end with super sonic and metal overlord charging at each other and that would end the game and the next game would start where that game ended to give them a finish to what happened last time and being in something new.
something ive seen no one talking about is how in Shadow Generations there is a chaos island zone, which doesnt really make sense cause Shadow has never been there, but having a sequel where he also visits the Starfall Islands could be the perfect fit for that
@@BWHERE I haven't played the sequels. I was told that VLR is just as good as 999 but ends on a cliffhanger, and that ZTD is really bad. I don't want to sour my experience with 999 by playing ZTD, and I don't want to have VLR's cliffhanger to nag me until I'm forced to play ZTD just to get it out of my head.
Personally I'd like a game where Infinite (whos still alive I think?) is still really bitter about his defeat and is sorta losing his mind which allows The End to manipulate him into finding the Phantom Ruby again and bringing it into the Cyber Space in order to start fusing it with Earth, essentially imprisoning all living beings in cyber corruption like we saw with Sonic, except for Sage who is mostly unaffected but now tangible due to the partial merge. She watches in a moment of temporary weakness as Infinite appears in Dr. Eggman's lab and kidnaps him, completely unaware Sage was there. Sage knows Infinite is too strong with the Phantom Ruby for her to fight alone but she instantly surmises that Sonic and co are also likely frozen similar to Eggman. She realizes she only has one option for an ally strong enough to defeat Infinite, and thus she goes to activate Metal Sonic who has been upgraded into his Neo Metal form. The two of them go out into the world to explore and Sage picks up two different energy readings growing in size correlating to where this game's would be Team Hero and Team Dark are respectively. You then get to choose which one you go to, locking you into one path or the other. Neither team would have Sonic or Shadow. I kinda want to keep them for later. After an action stage that has you travel to the area Sage and Metal discover that the energy reading is coming from an "anchor" that is slowly corrupting the open area more and more. when you destroy the anchor the area returns to normal and the characters are freed from their cyber corruption. This loop kinda repeats with more characters like Tangle and Whisper showing up for Team Hero and Team Dark gets Surge and Kitsunami. I'm not sure how I want the game to end but I think what I already typed would make for an amazing game.
@@scrunkore Oh? I havent really found anything about him being sealed, just that some sorta portal opened up and sucked him and the remaining Rubies into it. Regardless, I think my story would be good for his character and he's just one of those "loose ends" like how The End is since only The End's avatar/body was defeated.
The recent sonic frontiers 2 leaks said that besides having only 1 big island "Summit Spire". There would also be a digitized master emerald, Aparently related to the normal one and the ancients. Also leaks indicate that we'll have villages and Non Human NPCs that you gotta protect. (This is the most consistant thing among them) + sage is returning
Rouge: Shadow, you know that you can't just leave him here. Look at him! (Scarf is shown holding onto Shadow, trembling slightly from fear and lack of sustenance. Shadow sees this, and remembers how Maria would hold onto him after she had a nightmare.) Shadow: ...Fine. Just try to not fall behind, got it? Scarf: Y-yes sir...
52:19 who does he think he is, Omega Shenron? Side note, this was an AMAZING story. Granted I would have added Silver instead of Infinite (my boy needs some love) but I can understand why given Infinite was a wasted opportunity back in Sonic Forces.
Wonder if shadow gens coming out and the reveals about black doom himself being revived via the larva affects this video alil? Because i wouldnt be surprised if doom can play an actual part in the story,as long as the black arms exist so will doom,maybe he can be within shadow,he cant take over his body but hes a voice that always exists.
are both stories happening at the same time? if so how are both sonic and shadow using the emeralds for boss fights at other parts of the world? otherwise i really like this pitch. maybe have there be an earlier mixup of both teams before splitting again before heading to space so their main meetup at the center isnt out of the blue for them.
If you pay close attention, they rotate. Sonic collects the emeralds in zone 1 but not in zone 2. Shadow collects them in zone 2, then Sonic again in 3, etc.
I definitely feel as if the Master Emerald’s origins should be related to the Gaia Temples in some way. As we have no idea why they’re connected to the Chaos Emeralds, this could be a chance to elaborate on that part of the lore I do also feel Blaze’s slot should be replaced for Silver as he has more reason to be in the present if a disaster is coming rather than Blaze who has a separate dimension of people to protect. This could also in a way make Team Sonic, Team Light to contrast Shadow’s Team Dark
6:08 IDW doesn't fit the games. It was never meant to. It was just _declared_ so years after establishing. Also I've played Frontiers countless times and have never triggered any of those lines. If those characters were to be brought into the games, they'll need new backstories to better introduce them, as a lot of casual fans don't read IDW.
Not only are the IDW comics canon, but they were written with the intention of being as close to the games as possible. The characters wouldn't need to have newer backstories, they'd just need to be reintroduced like the Chaotix in Heroes.
@thunderx456 No. They were _declared_ canon in 2022, years after establishing. They have too much baggage to be brought over. The character portrayals of Sonic, Amy, Shadow and the like also don't match the games. It's the same story with Sonic Prime. Remember that? Plus Japan gets the comics later than we do, so the audience there would be completely lost if anything is brought over without altering it to fit the games.
@@DaveMan1K for one all the character personalities were mandated by sega, sorry if you feel there out of character Sega asked for them to act that way. For second, yes absolutely from the start the plan for the comics were to be as close to canon as possible it just wasn't declared canon until later.
@connorschultz380 Compare game Shadow to IDW Shadow. They're not the same character. So we're supposed to believe that a massive Restoration was formed, Angel Island was invaded, Eggman became a pacifist, and a world-ending virus was released, ALL before the events of Frontiers (add on an entire island of Badniks since the comic hasn't adapted Frontiers yet), and yet not a single mention was given to ANY of it in a game that references even the most recent game prior to its release (which came out after IDW)? I'm sorry, but it doesn't work like that. You want something to be canon, you must build it around the canon, not just say "Oh yeah, it's canon" and expect everyone to accept it. Cause again, not a lot of people read IDW, so they'll be very lost if anything is brought over.
@@DaveMan1K excuse me? How dose a lack of "o man these tin cans remind me of the metal virus somehow" prove it didn't happen? Your standards are wacky and I can't imagine anyone else having them Nothing in frontiers gives a time table for how long it's been we literally don't see the mainland at all, All that matters is that the main characters are still around
Quick nitpick but Blaze was already considered cannon because of Sonic rush and 06 even if it was erased from the cannon and that’s the same with Gemeral but still I like that idea Also the reason why the IDW comics follow the lore closely is because Izuka confirmed that the IDW comics were canon too the game series along with prime so technically for instance tangle and surge would already be acquainted with sonic by that point since IDW takes place between forces and frontiers
You lowkey cooked with this. And hyper sonic and shadow at the end is a perfect way to reintroduce the transformation. Not a huge fan of scarf tho. I think his purpose is well thought out but I'm not a fan of his character and design. Other than that this was pretty good, before I knew it I watched the whole thing.
Honestly, I hope one day they introduce something that's the exact opposite of Chaos energy. Like intriduce a set of opals called the Order opals. Idk, just something that's been on my mind for a while.
If I had to make a Frontiers 2 I’d make it more 06 centered. They’re want to remaster 06 but why not just change the backstory, I would include a character swap to swap between Sonic, Shadow, and Silver (silver has a new map considering he’s in the future) and it’d be sorta like Spiderman 2 where you could swap anytime you want
as much as I'd love Hyper Sonic comeback I still think Sega might be scared. But possibly a cool transformation could work with specifically the Shattered Shadow fight were sonic uses leaking chaos energy from Shadow and the Master Emerald to turn into something called "Master Super Sonic" or "Super Sonic Green" where his quills look like Paradox Sonic except with a green fade instead of purple but again that'd just be maybe an alternate transformation for if they really didn't want to use Hyper Sonic and Shadow lol but all in all this was an amazing pitch, 11/10 would buy this game
I think scarf should be adopted by shadow and should have chaos black doom and glace DNA so he has chaos control and the power to control water and ice.this should also show the start of sonamy
have it be a heroes two, with groups of four or something seeing amy is pretty much a part of team sonic. like i dunno have sonic, tails, knuckles and amy as team sonic. cream, big, gemrel and (i dunno) tangle(?) as team amy. shadow, omega, rouge and mecha sonic from the scrapnik island comic (and maybe sage occasionally) all going after eggman/a rebellious metal (in the case of sage) as team dark. the chaotix for well team chaotix. and finally infinite and whisper just want eggman dead so they appear occasionally. maybe mecha and whisper can switch eh i dunno.
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Do you guys like this version of Sonic Frontiers 2? What would you change? And would you want to see me tackle a potential Sonic Adventure 3?
I'd buy this game, day 1.
I've actually been brainstorming a hypothetical "Tails Adventure" game, carrying on from his desire at the end of Frontiers to venture out on his own.
If you were ever thinking about a video on Sonic adventure 3 I'd love Silver to be involved as he definitely deserves to be in more games.
Pls do sa3 you cooked so hard here
Yes This Pitch Is Awesome & I Would Love To See Your Pitch For A Possible Sonic Adventure 3
I want sonic to get another new form in sonic frontiers 2
I’d turn the Super form into more of a traversal tool for both the stages and the overworld, just like the Doom Wings from Shadow Gens
Cool idea!
I like that idea but what about using the cyber energy to zap through the stages and overworld, giving something we didn’t see much of some new spot light.
That would be so satisfying to use
Problem is it would have to be extremely overpowered in combat, which would mean how often you can use it would have to be limited
@ just make it burn through rings faster whenever it enters combat, that way the fight becomes about winning as fast as possible before the form runs out and you are left vulnerable with zero rings in hand
This story has the perfect tone for a Sonic game, character development, action set pieces, just the right amount of call backs to previous material, the big scale, new locations, lore drops that add to the old material instead of replacing it, and most importantly, a sick-ass transformation scene at the end.
You did an awesome job taking what people like about Sonic and making something fresh within the realm of possibility, incredible video.
Thank you! I love Sonic too so this was definitely a passion project
@@BWHERE Send this video to a fan game creator and maybe the will make it a game
I was dubious of the "Sonic doubt" arc, but the payoff was perfection, well done.
I feel like this is a little too ambitious (gameplay-wise) for a direct sequel to Frontiers but I'd love to see something this scale eventually come from Sonic Team.
Yeah I know people are very picky about Sonic being the forever optimist, but I think that's best showcased when we see him struggle and overcome it. I won't please everybody, but that's ok. and yeah it's definitely a wishlist lol. Frontiers 2 will NOT be this crazy
This was great. The story in particular I appreciate because it provides Shadow a path towards happiness. I don't want Shadow's character to live in tragedy. Shadow Generations provided Shadow with "closure" I guess, but it didn't give him a new status quo, just a contextualization of his goals. If Shadow is in the Frontiers sequel than the one thing I want to see is a story that gives Shadow some much needed light in his life.
Bro Siver SERIOUSLY needs some redemption
I got a whole video cooking about how to put Silver on the fast track to main character again. Probably coming out in April
@@BWHEREwe're so eating in 2025 💪
Truly a siver moment
Seriously, it's kinda getting old always seeing shadow. I want some other characters get some spotlight.
Me: Sees the thumbnail and is reminded of an awesome Sonic Adventure 3 video I watched some time back, then looks at the creator and remembers it's the same guy 😂😂😂😂.
A new video tackling Sonic Frontiers 2 is exactly what I needed.
Man I like this story fr, I hope they take some inspiration from it brodie
Thank you 🙏
This was Insane man. I love how both protags were developing at the same time. Sonic and shadow are my favorite characters so this was extra special for me. Love how a lot of the lore tied in with this. Love stuff like paralleling this to SA2. I’d maybe do more or change some characters around, but thats literally just me. Because this project was so good, my only thing would be maybe to make a few more games that lead into the events of this one. Love the characterization of shadow, especially you choosing to include that fist bump at the end. Again man, awesome job. You put a lot of hard work and thought into this, so not only have you got a sub, but I’d definitely love to see more of your ideas in the future. I’d be so amazed if some of this happened in a future game. Again, awesome job.
(This game would definitely need Live and Learn playing in its finale)
Okay, can I just say that seeing the return of Hyper Sonic since 1994 and seeing the first appearance of Hyper Shadow was BREATHTAKING to say the least in this pitch for a PERFECT sequel to the best Sonic game after a heap of mid and trash, and I REALLY love how you gave an explanation as to how the hyper forms came back after so long, WITHOUT the Super Emeralds, and the answer was in front of us the whole time...
*The Master Emerald...*
if shadows in the game we will get at least 58 maria flash backs
58 MINIMUM
this is one of the rare moments when a youtuber asks for me to like and subscribe and I actually do. You are very creative and I wont be shocked if SEGA actually does this. keep making these videos.
I very much appreciate it!
57:49 I think they should dap each other up instead.
Other than that this is perfect
Sega should hire this man
YO SEGA HIRE THIS MAN!!! Jokes aside, this is a very well put-together story and if this also had the action stages and open zone of Shadow Generations, I would consider this one of the best Sonic games!
ok so wow just wow this writing is amazing i cant describe with words how good it is i pray sega uses this and hires you as a writer, this is amazing the only nitpick i have is no silver
Silver comes in the third installment in the series, of course.
Amazing pitch! This really does a great job at capturing the heart and themes of the Sonic franchise while also adding on to them. Sadly, I don’t think we’ll get anything like this for a long while, but this is an amazing idea for a culmination of the entire series
Thank you!
Dude I love how you handled the interactions between Scarf and Shadow!
Genuinely one of the best pitch for a sonic game ever🔥
Thank you!
Scarf has too much resemblance to another sonic oc wolf with a scarf though, down to the description and name (haven't gone through the whole video, can't be sure of one more detail)
@@Moonlit-Mayhem You mean Infinite?
Don’t mind me. I’m just sitting here imagining a world where scarf and tails develop a “rivalry” that’s entirely performative and founded on friendship; basically just the two of them taking games like hide and seek or tag and upping the stakes by using their powers or tech, and whenever one wins the other says “good game, same time next week?” Ya know, just two little brothers entertaining each other while their big bros go off and do who knows what. That’s what’s going on in my head.
Side note, setting the ending to Hopes and Dreams made my little heart BURST!
I love that. I wanted to include Scarf's dynamic with other characters, particularly Sage, Rouge, and Tails... but the video would have been twice as long
Get this man in the writing team now
Great job with the story. Love that scarf is basically shadow's version of tails!
I would like to see you expaned on this pitch by explaining how the open zones and action levels are designend like
If possible ofcourse.
59:45 TAKE MY MONEY
hey, infinite is not written like a wooden plank... thats disrespectful to planky from ed, edd, and eddy. xp
lmao
Great story! And I commend the effort cause that’s A LOT of editing for a hour long video. While hyper sonic might be a little too optimistic, I enjoy the idea of it being a once a decade sort of thing. I don’t think Sega would do this whole story to a T because of just how ambitious it is, however I do hope they take a lot of elements from this. I think sonic can be a little 1 dimensional personality wise and that more emotion would benefit him, just like back in the Archie days. Once again, great video, thank you for the mini movie
Hold up... his writing is low-key fire..
You have say that about End... We havent seeing End's true form, yet. Maybe it could return in somewhat greater ancient god and in it's true form.
I like how you gave shadow a tails. Kinda but I think it fits.
I have a lot to say.... I loved every minute of it the dialogue, the character interactions, everything. I had the biggest smile on my face the entire time while watching this. And the inclusion of the hyper forms I was shocked. I really hope Sega brings them back. I also agree that the hyper forms should be used very rarely. I can tell you put a lot of work into this and because of that I think that you just created the best sonic game keep the great work.
Thank you!
@@BWHERE of course
This is just the video i was looking for i will definitely enjoy this thoroughly because we have gotten leaks about what could be added also that thumbnail is fire super shadow looks majestic, and it’s just what i hope happens even if sonjc, and shadow only go super together to fight the final boss as a adventure two reference which Ian Flynn is definitely willing to reference, but still frontiers 2 needs shadow, and possibly silver.
Let's hope that this new Sonic era isn't wasted.
4:01 On the topic of bosses; the Titan fights still used the default combat. Super Sonic mainly added boosted power, durability, and most importantly; the power of Flight.
What if the flying part was ditched for most of the bosses? For giant bosses, it could be about running around, weaving through attacks, and building up enough(I don't remember much science stuff so instead of momentum or inertia or whatever it's scientifically called, let's call it) Speed Energy, enabling Sonic to careen seemingly out of control and into the air, to deliver an absolutely DEVASTATING Spin Attack!
36:35 this is very interesting. Sure, I have my own ideas for a possible sequel to frontiers and granted it’s nothing like what you’ve shown but it’s still amazing.
This was a really good vid & i like a lot of ur ideas, u did I great job
Glad you enjoyed!
36:24 THE NIGHTFALL MELDED
Basically the ancients are basically chaos’s ancestors
Just thinking here but won't it be great if one of the choa regained its intelligence and becomes the final boss and turns itself into Chaos
Honestly this is one of the best sonic game pitches ive ever seen, the amount of work you put into this is impressive. Id be interested in seeing other ideas like this such as an sa3, sonic movie 4, sonic riders 4, etc for potential ideas.
I think there should be a few tweaks though, the biggest one is the playable characters. I think the concept of recruiting characters in both stories, with sonics being his friends and shadow joining with either antagonistic characters or more serious ones is a fantastic concept that id like to see in a future game. The selection itself isnt my ideal pick, i feel like having gemerl or infinite are too much of a wilcard pick and no silver (despite blaze being there) feels a little strange, even though she can work on her own, and vector without the other chaotix is something sonic team does a lot, which is unfortunate, heres how I would fix the roster
Team Sonic:
-Sonic
-Tails
-Knuckles
-Amy
-Cream
-The chaotix (as 1 character slot where you always control espio; think of heroes mixed with forces tag team gameplay)
-tangle
-Whisper
Team Shadow:
-Shadow
-Rouge
-Omega
-Silver
-Blaze
-Sage
-Surge
-Kit
16 characters seems like a lot, but if they all have the same base movement with different combat and traversal moves. if you want to argue that 16 is still way too much, then id say have 6 core characters being required (Sonic, tails knuckles, Shadow, rouge, omega) and the rest are tag team characters who provide extra moves or traversal options.
But besides that I think this is a very solid idea for a sonic game. Cant wait for more!
The main reason I didn’t include Silver is because there isn’t (currently) a good reason why he’s hanging around in the past. I do have a video in the oven that should fix that problem - probably coming out sometime in April
This is so cool! I really hope Sega takes some inspiration from this.
That would be cool!
48:13 Hawk to a? Hawk toa HAWK TUAH
I like every element of this story with one exception: the fact that The End is treated as an outright malicious entity. To me, while the end can be seen as a force for evil, the message that I got from frontiers is that it’s a being that simply is.
i'd love this as an actual game, unfortunatly gun was disbanded by eggman during forces, but you could always just say they came back. 28:25 metal sonic: am i a joke too you?
I really like the teams idea, however I would change up some of the characters. I personally would have the teams be…
Teams Sonic:
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Amy
Blaze
Tangle
Surge (Begrudgingly joins the team after an encounter with Shadow that nearly kills her)
Team Shadow:
Shadow
Rouge
Omega
Gemerl (Since he is a gizoid and all the lore Shadow has with gizoids)
Cream (Gemerl wants to save her. Would also provide Shadow with a character with child-like wonder and optimism, not unlike Maria)
Sage
Whisper (provides a really interesting story of learning to trust Shadow after the Shadow androids killed the original Diamond Cutters)
And kit?
@ Either is captured by someone or is able to find his family while Surge is recovering from her fight with Shadow
This is peak I fear
This game would go so hard
if this was real this would be game of the year. great pitch
Before continuing, I have two big ideas for a Sonic-centric game, BUT if we're following the lore from Frontiers 1 like SA2 did with SA1, I'll try to keep as few stuff from the other thing in this as I can.
There'd be Five Open Zones, one saved for the Last Story, and the remaining four divided among Two stories.
The Hero Campaign would center around Sonic, Blaze, Amy, and Tails.
The Dark Campaign would center around Sage, who'd play like an animation mashup of Frontiers' different enemies, alongside Dr.Eggman and two begrudging other characters: Shadow and Knuckles.
The Plot/Lore: My idea doesn't go SUPER in detail, but it's an extension of the Frontiers lore. We now know where the Chaos Emeralds came from, but not Why all these gemstones(Master Emerald, Time Stones, Warp Topaz, and Phantom Ruby. Heck, even the Sol Emeralds if you want to link the two worlds even more together) even exist in the first place.
Also, it'd delve into that lingering plot thread about the god of the Ancients.
Huh. Similar idea.
When Shadow told Scarf not to call him big brother my mind went Poor scarf
Can you imagine if they get Mick Gordon to compose Super Shadow’s theme? It would fit since Shadow is the edgier and tougher character.
I dunno if SEGA wants to use the comic book characters, but it would be pretty neat to have Eclipse and the Dark Arms show up
Gotta say, 10+ playable characters is VERY ambitious for this game. But hyper sonic & shadow would be so hype
If a genie gave me one wish I would wish for this to be real
Hmmm
SOMEONE COOKED HERE
this story would explain why there's remains of echidna temples in the sonic adventure 2 desert map
How do u only got 20K subscribers this is PEAK
I’d love the idea. I have a great idea for another game: A game focused on a custom character that is similar to Shadow Generations (with the 2d and 3d levels). This game could let you create your own custom characters that will take on either a new story or some of the previous stories putting your characters into certain roles and you could take on the stories in certain orders. For instance, you could take on the story of Sonic Heroes with your characters, then take on the story of Sonic Adventure with your characters. There would be about like 6 or 7 story modes you can play through. This would probably be smaller game released in the middle of the year.
I kinda expect the next game to go into the master emeralds lore, it just makes sense
So I had thought of something with someone else on Reddit having this game being a Metal sonic more focused one. Like your two stories it would be one side being sonic and the other being metal sonic. With a beat ‘em up and puzzle solving type game where they both get more abilities and powers as the game goes on, each unique to the characters. This is to utilize Metal’s bio data copying and Sonics natural talent to just be a badass. There would be different bosses, for each character and two bosses where one is base Metal vs Sonic and then Super Neo Metal vs Super sonic. There will be two final bosses for the stories and each story would end with super sonic and metal overlord charging at each other and that would end the game and the next game would start where that game ended to give them a finish to what happened last time and being in something new.
yo ngl a Angel islade showdown and Metal virus arcs as games would be soooooooooo cool
Somebody write a fan fic about this it’s so cool
Someone show this video to Sega NOW!!!! OR ELSE YOU GET CHAOS BLASTED INTO THE SUN!!!
something ive seen no one talking about is how in Shadow Generations there is a chaos island zone, which doesnt really make sense cause Shadow has never been there, but having a sequel where he also visits the Starfall Islands could be the perfect fit for that
Sega hire this man NOW
28:02 hey, I recognize that song!
999 is so good.
Somebody with good taste, respect!
@@BWHERE I haven't played the sequels. I was told that VLR is just as good as 999 but ends on a cliffhanger, and that ZTD is really bad. I don't want to sour my experience with 999 by playing ZTD, and I don't want to have VLR's cliffhanger to nag me until I'm forced to play ZTD just to get it out of my head.
Personally I'd like a game where Infinite (whos still alive I think?) is still really bitter about his defeat and is sorta losing his mind which allows The End to manipulate him into finding the Phantom Ruby again and bringing it into the Cyber Space in order to start fusing it with Earth, essentially imprisoning all living beings in cyber corruption like we saw with Sonic, except for Sage who is mostly unaffected but now tangible due to the partial merge. She watches in a moment of temporary weakness as Infinite appears in Dr. Eggman's lab and kidnaps him, completely unaware Sage was there.
Sage knows Infinite is too strong with the Phantom Ruby for her to fight alone but she instantly surmises that Sonic and co are also likely frozen similar to Eggman. She realizes she only has one option for an ally strong enough to defeat Infinite, and thus she goes to activate Metal Sonic who has been upgraded into his Neo Metal form.
The two of them go out into the world to explore and Sage picks up two different energy readings growing in size correlating to where this game's would be Team Hero and Team Dark are respectively. You then get to choose which one you go to, locking you into one path or the other. Neither team would have Sonic or Shadow. I kinda want to keep them for later.
After an action stage that has you travel to the area Sage and Metal discover that the energy reading is coming from an "anchor" that is slowly corrupting the open area more and more. when you destroy the anchor the area returns to normal and the characters are freed from their cyber corruption.
This loop kinda repeats with more characters like Tangle and Whisper showing up for Team Hero and Team Dark gets Surge and Kitsunami.
I'm not sure how I want the game to end but I think what I already typed would make for an amazing game.
currently infinite is actually sealed INSIDE the phantom ruby
@@scrunkore Oh? I havent really found anything about him being sealed, just that some sorta portal opened up and sucked him and the remaining Rubies into it.
Regardless, I think my story would be good for his character and he's just one of those "loose ends" like how The End is since only The End's avatar/body was defeated.
48:13 say that again
No joke, my headphones broke directly after this comment
@@EthanMallonee”to a hawk to a serpent” is crazy
The recent sonic frontiers 2 leaks said that besides having only 1 big island "Summit Spire". There would also be a digitized master emerald, Aparently related to the normal one and the ancients. Also leaks indicate that we'll have villages and Non Human NPCs that you gotta protect. (This is the most consistant thing among them) + sage is returning
59:48 YOU BETCHA I'D BUY IT!
I would buy this
28:25 metal sonic reaction: 🙄
Rouge: Shadow, you know that you can't just leave him here. Look at him!
(Scarf is shown holding onto Shadow, trembling slightly from fear and lack of sustenance. Shadow sees this, and remembers how Maria would hold onto him after she had a nightmare.)
Shadow: ...Fine. Just try to not fall behind, got it?
Scarf: Y-yes sir...
7:04 LISTEN HERE IF TANGLE IS RECRUITABLE SHE IS THE ONLY ONE IM RECRUITING.
Oh and 100% Whisper and Surge too
52:19 who does he think he is, Omega Shenron?
Side note, this was an AMAZING story. Granted I would have added Silver instead of Infinite (my boy needs some love) but I can understand why given Infinite was a wasted opportunity back in Sonic Forces.
This is actually peak bro yooo
🙏 thank you bro
Wonder if shadow gens coming out and the reveals about black doom himself being revived via the larva affects this video alil? Because i wouldnt be surprised if doom can play an actual part in the story,as long as the black arms exist so will doom,maybe he can be within shadow,he cant take over his body but hes a voice that always exists.
7:36 Thanks for pointing out that flaw Infinite had so much potential but they mucked up before Ian joined
are both stories happening at the same time? if so how are both sonic and shadow using the emeralds for boss fights at other parts of the world?
otherwise i really like this pitch. maybe have there be an earlier mixup of both teams before splitting again before heading to space so their main meetup at the center isnt out of the blue for them.
If you pay close attention, they rotate. Sonic collects the emeralds in zone 1 but not in zone 2. Shadow collects them in zone 2, then Sonic again in 3, etc.
i like this pitch its amazing
can you do a pinch for sonic the Hedgehog Movie 4
Secret final boss:
Surge, Metal Sonic and Infinite jump Sonic While he's down
Knuckles: What are we some sort of sonic heroes
Tails: Say that again
I definitely feel as if the Master Emerald’s origins should be related to the Gaia Temples in some way. As we have no idea why they’re connected to the Chaos Emeralds, this could be a chance to elaborate on that part of the lore
I do also feel Blaze’s slot should be replaced for Silver as he has more reason to be in the present if a disaster is coming rather than Blaze who has a separate dimension of people to protect. This could also in a way make Team Sonic, Team Light to contrast Shadow’s Team Dark
The sonic frontiers series should be focused on the origin and story of chaos energy
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IDW doesn't fit the games. It was never meant to. It was just _declared_ so years after establishing. Also I've played Frontiers countless times and have never triggered any of those lines.
If those characters were to be brought into the games, they'll need new backstories to better introduce them, as a lot of casual fans don't read IDW.
Not only are the IDW comics canon, but they were written with the intention of being as close to the games as possible. The characters wouldn't need to have newer backstories, they'd just need to be reintroduced like the Chaotix in Heroes.
@thunderx456
No. They were _declared_ canon in 2022, years after establishing. They have too much baggage to be brought over. The character portrayals of Sonic, Amy, Shadow and the like also don't match the games.
It's the same story with Sonic Prime. Remember that?
Plus Japan gets the comics later than we do, so the audience there would be completely lost if anything is brought over without altering it to fit the games.
@@DaveMan1K for one all the character personalities were mandated by sega, sorry if you feel there out of character Sega asked for them to act that way.
For second, yes absolutely from the start the plan for the comics were to be as close to canon as possible it just wasn't declared canon until later.
@connorschultz380
Compare game Shadow to IDW Shadow. They're not the same character.
So we're supposed to believe that a massive Restoration was formed, Angel Island was invaded, Eggman became a pacifist, and a world-ending virus was released, ALL before the events of Frontiers (add on an entire island of Badniks since the comic hasn't adapted Frontiers yet), and yet not a single mention was given to ANY of it in a game that references even the most recent game prior to its release (which came out after IDW)?
I'm sorry, but it doesn't work like that. You want something to be canon, you must build it around the canon, not just say "Oh yeah, it's canon" and expect everyone to accept it. Cause again, not a lot of people read IDW, so they'll be very lost if anything is brought over.
@@DaveMan1K excuse me? How dose a lack of "o man these tin cans remind me of the metal virus somehow" prove it didn't happen? Your standards are wacky and I can't imagine anyone else having them
Nothing in frontiers gives a time table for how long it's been we literally don't see the mainland at all, All that matters is that the main characters are still around
Quick nitpick but Blaze was already considered cannon because of Sonic rush and 06 even if it was erased from the cannon and that’s the same with Gemeral but still I like that idea
Also the reason why the IDW comics follow the lore closely is because Izuka confirmed that the IDW comics were canon too the game series along with prime so technically for instance tangle and surge would already be acquainted with sonic by that point since IDW takes place between forces and frontiers
playable chao in the garden mini games maybe more mini games but yeah I got no idea for 3thd one, or others
You lowkey cooked with this. And hyper sonic and shadow at the end is a perfect way to reintroduce the transformation.
Not a huge fan of scarf tho. I think his purpose is well thought out but I'm not a fan of his character and design.
Other than that this was pretty good, before I knew it I watched the whole thing.
Honestly, I hope one day they introduce something that's the exact opposite of Chaos energy. Like intriduce a set of opals called the Order opals. Idk, just something that's been on my mind for a while.
You know, since he is missing, you could then have a dlc that focus on Silver
48:13 Truly the sentence of all time
Yoo this was gas 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you!
@ ofc man! And thank you too!
The gun commander is aberham tower, also isn't rouge and shadow good friends rather than mutual?
Well, shadow generations was exactly that I loved it
Mine would be pretty big, have a lot of playable characters, multiple storys and would be called sonic adventure 3
Whispangle kiss as a cutscene and I’ll consider buying
I hope Hyper Sonic and Hyper Shadow will be there.
If I had to make a Frontiers 2 I’d make it more 06 centered. They’re want to remaster 06 but why not just change the backstory, I would include a character swap to swap between Sonic, Shadow, and Silver (silver has a new map considering he’s in the future) and it’d be sorta like Spiderman 2 where you could swap anytime you want
What song is playing during the shattered shadow fight?
as much as I'd love Hyper Sonic comeback I still think Sega might be scared. But possibly a cool transformation could work with specifically the Shattered Shadow fight were sonic uses leaking chaos energy from Shadow and the Master Emerald to turn into something called "Master Super Sonic" or "Super Sonic Green" where his quills look like Paradox Sonic except with a green fade instead of purple
but again that'd just be maybe an alternate transformation for if they really didn't want to use Hyper Sonic and Shadow lol but all in all this was an amazing pitch, 11/10 would buy this game
I think scarf should be adopted by shadow and should have chaos black doom and glace DNA so he has chaos control and the power to control water and ice.this should also show the start of sonamy
have it be a heroes two, with groups of four or something seeing amy is pretty much a part of team sonic. like i dunno have sonic, tails, knuckles and amy as team sonic. cream, big, gemrel and (i dunno) tangle(?) as team amy. shadow, omega, rouge and mecha sonic from the scrapnik island comic (and maybe sage occasionally) all going after eggman/a rebellious metal (in the case of sage) as team dark. the chaotix for well team chaotix. and finally infinite and whisper just want eggman dead so they appear occasionally. maybe mecha and whisper can switch eh i dunno.
As long as Silver and Blaze would be playable then I'm all for it
If they would adapt the metal virus story but include shadow, that game would be game of the year.