Van Geet Opening - Standard chess #40
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- I played a standard chess game as black with time controls set at 15 minutes with a 2 second increment. The opening played was the uncommon Van Geet, or Dunst Opening. To maintain the tension, or release it? This is a question both sides can resolve for many moves in the opening. Play basically transposes into a King's Indian Attack structurally, but with knights connected on e2 and c3 instead of f3 and d2. Immediately after the tension broke, an eyebrow raising decision sent me on a miniature roller coaster ride emotionally. How to refocus?
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1. Nc3 { A00 Van Geet Opening } d5 2. e4 e6 3. g3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Be7 5. d3 c5 6. Bg5 O-O 7. Nge2 Nc6 8. O-O d4 9. Na4 b5 10. e5 Nd5 11. Bxe7 Qxe7 12. c4 bxa4 13. cxd5 exd5 14. Bxd5 Bb7 15. Qxa4 Nxe5 16. Nf4 Bxd5 17. Nxd5 Qd6 18. f4 Qxd5 19. fxe5 Rae8 20. Rae1 Rxe5 21. Rxe5 Qxe5 22. Qxa7 Qe3+ 23. Kg2 Qxd3 24. Qxc5 Qe4+ 25. Kg1 Qe3+ 26. Kg2 Qe4+ 27. Kg1 h6 28. Qf5 Qe3+ 29. Qf2 Qe4 30. Rd1 Rd8 31. a4 d3 32. Qb6 Rd4 33. Qb8+ Kh7 34. Qf4 Qxf4 35. gxf4 Rxa4 36. Rxd3 Rxf4 37. Rd1 Rb4 38. Rb1 Rb3 39. Kf2 f5 40. Ke2 g5 41. Kd2 Kg6 42. Kc2 Rb6 43. b4 f4 44. Kc3 Kf5 45. h3 h5 46. Rg1 g4 47. hxg4+ hxg4 48. Kc4 g3 49. Kc5 Rb8
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Thanks for continuing to do 15+2 games. I feel that I get a lot more out of these than your bullet games because you get to explain the thought process behind your moves more, and I have more time to analyze the positions. I also liked the learn from your mistakes feature. Maybe make that a regular part of your analysis.
You got it! :)
Was on the edge of my seat when you fell below 10 seconds! Love your entertainment and analysis in game and post game. Thank you!
This video basically explains why we enjoy chess. The critical thinking needed for each move and the minor mistakes either you or your opponent makes in the process
"I might have to go into bullet mode here"
Proceeds to spend 40 second thinking about his next knight move :D
No way. I didn't do that. :)
Thanks a lot for the instructive video! I especially liked how at 21:58 you mentioned some emotional shock when you realized you wouldn't be winning material with bxa4 - my guess is that awareness helped you refocus, keep calm under time pressure, and convert the win.
Welcome Dom! :)
Watched so many of these that my inner monologue as i go about my day is now in Jerry's voice.
you should have a list of all the epic dialogs when they were first used ;)
the nonafries, forkaruski, blue chicken, all of them under one playlist
So many classic moments, the adobe flash gambit and don't forget about the wolfman.
there should be a definite list! also the comcast gambit and the adobe flash gambit!
H2! H2! H2!
dont' forget anton squared me
Get into the corner, knight! Pigs, mates and checks, in that order.
Personally, I would love to see you play more 15+2 time control games. This is a very interesting game with some nice analysis, albeit mentally taxing
9:50 Have you considered 7. Bxf6, Bxf6 8. exd5? Trading off your knight leaves him with 3 attackers on the d pawn against only pawn & queen defenders. It does allow you the b pawn but I think that's a gain for white overall.
25:52 Is there a tactic with 16. ...Nxd3? If he takes the knight you get the bishop, winning a pawn and securing center dominance, and there isn't enough pressure to take advantage of the dangling knight (something like Rfd1 allows you to exchange knights and win the bishop).
Jerry, this was such an exciting game to watch! I love the way you use your time because it shows so much patience and skill. I also enjoy seeing that for your first two mistakes you had considered the correct move!
7. Bxf6 Bxf6 8. exd5 would be followed up with 8. ..Bxc3+, removing a defender of the d5 pawn while damaging white's pawn structure.
After 16. ..Nxd3, 17. Bxb7 should be quite good for white.
Great chess commentary, like we've come to expect, but also a useful tutorial on those new LiChess features for reviewing mistakes. Thanks!
these lichess updates really seem helpful. good on them for providing us with these services
+Calypsus It is certainly a nice feature.
interesting comment that I have never thought of before in my several years playing: the general rule of "I think the complications are working out in my favor, I'm always the one to initiate the captures". Makes so much sense as a general guideline. Of course it doesn't replace proper calculations but I'll try and implement that line of thought where I can now.
taking the knight on move 18 was a blunder. nxd3 held an almost 2 pawn advantage, qxd5 gave away over 2 pawn advantage
Nice game Jerry!
Thank you for the insight into how you think. This is very helpful for not so good chess players such as myself.
Welcome CCP :)
Wonderfully instructive commentary. Thank you!
Thanks Billy :)
Good technique in the endgame, love it.
@23:59 16. ...g5 would be my move. imo black could do some damage to whites kings defense after forcing the bishop exchange and pushing whites knight to g2. Black could even win the d3 pawn first, backtrack to e5, then attack if white tries to play passive. Whites f4 pawn push would also run into gxf4 opening up the g-file and white should get first crack at using it, especially with whites queen already controlling the long diagonal. I could be wrong, haven't used an engine or anything to check my ideas merit, but at first sight it looks like it would give a very good advantage, even at the cost of breaking up my own kings defense.
Edit: Okay, just went over it with an engine on lichess and white pulled out Qb3 to start... which led to some heavy tactics, but black still comes out on top after the exchanges, since white loses his b-pawn and never gets to make use of his rooks. White gets smothered by blacks keeping the d-pawn at all costs and once blacks king gets up the board with his pawns its just a matter of time before white has to commit to the kingside and eventually the a-pawn rolls to become a queen.
I have admit, the queen to b3 threw me off, bloody engines are so damn good at seeing alternatives, lol. But overall g5 is still a good move, and one I think most players would fumble and miss Qb3 as an out.
(SuedeStonn is also my name on lichess.)
great video
There was a cool tactic white missed to get ahead, 10. Nxc5! Bxc5? 11. e5! then you are losing a knight or rook. queen is forked too so can't use your previous tactic. super powerful combination attacking everything xD
Phen-the Moogle 11. e5 Nxe5
Oh never mind I'm not paying attention
what about van geet opening 1...Nc6 2.d4 d5 to get the quick castle on the queen side why is that bad
That en passant not working out sure was a bother!
Why not consider Nxe4 tactics at all? I was begging the question!
25:45 Would 16. ... Bxd5 17. Nxd5 Nf3+ 18. Kg2 (or 18. Kh1, doesn't matter) Qb7 work out in black's favour? It would certainly flush the white king out of his fortress.
I think white would play 18. Kg2 Qb7 19. Qc6 (the point being 19. ..Qxc6 20. Ne7+) and white seems fine, if not better.
Wow really cool mate at 46:10
You should play John Bartholomew!
i think he should have played instead 10. Bf6 gf6 11.e5 Bb7 12. ef6 .... with great advantage.
8:30 wasnt knight takes e4 winning a pawn?
yes it takes a pawn but it will be retaken after pawn takes knight(dxe) bishop takes bishop(bxg5) and then (exd) wins back the pawn
actually it would be a minor piece for a pawn. 1. Nxe3, Bxe2 2. Qxe2, Pxe4... IF that variation would be played, of course.. would lose a piece for black and end in a desirable position for black with a lot of pressure on d4..
I think the black knight might be trapped: 6. ..Nxe4 7. Bxe7 Nxc3 8. Bxd8 Nxd1 9. Be7 Re8 10. Bxc5 Nxb2 11. a4 and I don't see how black is saving the knight (Bd4 is threatened).
Jeroen van den Berg In that variation black never castle so Re8 cant be played
Whoops, I was looking at the wrong position. Still though, white might have something like that with 8. Ba5 Nxb2 9. a4, with the idea of playing Bc3. It's not as elegant as the Be7 move, forking rook and pawn, but it seems to work just fine.
Seen enough of these that I'm beginning to wonder if we should start calling you Sasha, Jerry. You always seem to flirt with that clock hardcore, lol.
Jasha 👍🏼
@@ChessNetwork Ummm... Woah thanks for the comment. I've been watching your stuff religiously since 2011.
Thank you Luke. 👍🏼😎
I was uncomfortable with your chances until 27:24. At that point, when the time was 9.7 sec vs. over 4 min, I knew that you had entered "the zone" and would eventually win.
I love the van geet opening
Jerry, I think 16... g5 would have been very strong.
Hey Jerry Long time fan of yours! I'm an avid Chess player and I'm getting married July 1st 2017, in NY and would like to invite you have you there! It will actually be a chess themed wedding, and we will be having a human chess game. This will make my dream come true if you came, plus I've always wanted to play a game against you😝. Let me know how I can get an invitation to you and I'll get one out to ya, thanks jerry your the best!
why not 2. ... d4 ?
Why not 8. ...N:e4?
Hah, the queen-climbing-the-steps line shown at the end was fun :)
thank you Jerry :)
I found the nonafries video in the archives :)
Vijay Mane which vid is it?
darkghostmagic
Google "chessnetwok and Nona"
urbandictionary has added "Nona fried" to its list and give the definition as--
rather than moving or resigning your opponent just sits there and lets their clock tick down to 0. Initially used by Chessnetwork.
Jerry you are awesome!! your enthusiasm has made me and my kids fall in love with chess.
Who came up with the term Nonafries and how did it start?
There's a game versus Nona fry in there that explains it :-)
How about 10. Nxc5 Bxc5 11. e4 winning the piece back and then some!
Yeah the analisis here lichess.org/Zz2Z9kKp/black shows some of the mistakes that both sides did, losing the advantage of being up an entire pawn! That goes to show how difficult it is to play uncommon openings and how easy it really is when you can have a computer to analyze every move and how logical these moves look after the computer analises them, and how hard it is for even an International Master to find such easy moves like d4 on move 6 or Nxc5 on move 9 winning the rook on a8!
you got a great voice, very calm, very patiente. Thanks after a day of fight, it's great to ear a calm, logic, clear and instructive voice. Thanks, all the good.
I play van geet a lot actually to get my opponent off of book, but that’s a risk since it’s technically an inferior opening.
Why Jerry didn't go for the draw ?isn't much better?
Incredible.
Wonder why Jerry is so keen to give up Black's obvious small advantage after White's Nc3, e4. I mean, playing your favourite openings is one thing, but if you can punish your opponent (in this case with d4) you may as well do it.
The advantage is so small that if he's not comfortable with the punishment then it's not really worth it
The fact that Black even gets an advantage is great; usually Black is very happy to equalise, let alone be better.
The thing is, playing d4 Ne2 is precisely what white wants in this type of system, going for f4 and a kingside attack. It might be better for black to do this, but maybe Jerry thought about not playing into what the opponent wants/is more comfortable with.
Makes sense, but I find it weird that he did not even seem to consider it at that moment when it was most natural and effective, but did consider it later.
Aleph Null Jerry sometimes plays the Kennedy variation of the Nimzowitsch himself, which is essentially the same opening but for black. As such, he is probably aware that not only would d4 be white's favorite move to see, but the space advantage usually amounts to little, it is difficult to keep white's knights out of f5, and white will oftentimes begin an attack on the kingside. As someone who plays both of the aforementioned openings, I can assure you that they concede no real advantage to your opponent.
Interesting game. I saw 12.c4 coming but as a lazy spectator, thought I would let you show me the way...Nice game.
2.D4 Is my move of choice, but i am not 2100
2.e3 is better and more fun
with 2.d4 there's no reason to play the van geet at all
Really nice video, thanks for creating this, Jerry!
This is a really interesting game.
I have a video suggestion for you for your beginner chess series.
After 1. Nc3 d5 2. E4, my immediate thought is to play d4. My line of thought is that if I can get a pawn in my opponent's side, why shouldn't I? It takes away space for their pieces and gives space for mine. In many of my games I will push pawns when my enemy threatens them with a pawn just so I have a pawn on my 5th rank. This is extremely appealing to me (and to others, I'd guess). What are the benefits and demerits of this style? You could also consider reviewing the openings of beginner players to see common mistakes and misunderstandings.
The concrete problem with the line you mentioned is that you are giving up the c4 square and White can play Bc4. The theoretical problem is that you are pushing a pawn and allowing White to have two pieces developed before you even have one piece developed. If d4 stopped something White really wanted to accomplish then that would be one thing, but it's very comfortable for him to work around that pawn - Bc4, d3, Nd2, etc. White could even challenge that pawn with c3 and then what are you going to do? Take on c3 and help White develop? Play c5 and after exchanges on d4, Qa4+ picks up a pawn (you're down a pawn and down on development).
So another theoretical problem with d4 in that line is that the pawn is overextended. If you're going to move a pawn into your opponent's position, make sure that you can actually support that pawn OR that you can use the square you just vacated (d5) for your pieces. In this case, you can't provide adequate support for that pawn, nor does freeing up the d5 square accomplish anything (you have no pieces to move to d5). Also, you have no pieces to move to the squares which you are contesting with the move d4 (e3 and c3).
If you have the chance to win a pawn (after White plays e4 you can just take that pawn for free) ALWAYS consider doing that. There is absolutely no downside to taking this pawn, as it forces White's knight to move (you're taking a free pawn, with tempo).
This is very helpfull :)
Great video! I liked how much you deliberated in game, allowing us to see how you think. Bonus: you didn't lose on time because of it ;)
This is true. :) Increment certainly helps the quality of the game.
That sequence was the best I've seen from a non grandmaster
Super instructive!