PROJECT RENAISSANCE: New Effort To Create Medieval 3 Total War
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Recently I spoke to a Total War content creator called Rampaned who has decided to lead a development effort to create a spiritual successor to Medieval 2 Total War.
As most of the content he makes are playthroughs of the Medieval 2 and its mods like Tsardoms or Divide and Conquer, he’s legitimately decided enough is enough if CA won’t do it then I will and he’s got a small team now of coders and artists who have begun essentially building the game.
So I had a chat with him about what he’s planning, the various features he’d like to include in the game, the Total War titles and mods like DEI or Medieval Kingdoms 1212 he’s drawing inspiration from as well as new features he’s thinking about and a campaign map that he’s working on making right now to begin a foundation for the game from which he can start testing features like factions, cities and procedurally generated battles maps.
In this video I'd like to bring a spotlight to his efforts, the work done so far, his ambitions for the future and hopefully by the end you'll be interested enough to find out more and perhaps even show him some support!
I really hope you enjoyed this video if you did give it a like and drop any thoughts or questions in the comments section below. I’d love to hear what you think about the Project Renaissance and everything you’ve seen here today!
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Project Renaissance is hugely ambitious, but I love the various sources of inspiration, I love the features he wants to include from older games and new and I love how engaging Rampaned is being with modders, with other creators like Legend and with the wider community through his Dev Diaries. I can't wait to see what else he comes up with and hopefully he continues to get some positive momentum! Check out the video description here for links to his YT channel and to his discord to support him and the project directly!
Great video man! Love hearing all the hope and honest concerns about the project as I think they're all important things to consider for this endeavor. I know it will take time to bear fruit but I hope to keep everyone up to date about the progress our little group of 15 people is able to accomplish!
@@Rampaned Hey man! If you need a hand with 3D assets let me know! I'm not too keen on organic modelling but anything innorganic does the trick for me.
I'm done with CA I've uninstalled all my games and vow, promise that I will never buy another one of their products again. They have gone on the list.
@@DAG417 wait but the old games are still good like medieval 1 and 2 rome shogun 1 and shogun 2? (i haven't played medieval 1 or shogun 2 so i might be wrong)
Oh I was one of the guys who still played Empire, Nap, Rome II, Thrones and Shogun II and enjoyed Med II but I won't give them that player count anymore they lost it when they said they will ban people promoting boycotts I'm American and to me that is anti-American and I won't associate with it nor will I respond to it.
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At this point, modders might be the new developer for Total War games. Although, CA would probably try to blacklist the modders and their mods.
Honestly with all the bugfixing modders end up doing on games, they are the true GoATs
Then we give our money to them, they make more content than CA anyway
The end time banned conspiracy
I've been opting for mods over the new games for years
You're delusional
As a software dev / occasional game dev... my main worry is scope, they seem to have gone for a very large scope. I would suggest they start similar to what they said with the factions and focus 100% on the period around the norman invasion, and once that is out and proving what can be done by this team? Then push the scope wider.
Good on him, although he's going to discover why CA aren't doing some of the stuff he's planning.
And can the Unreal engine even handle the total war style of gameplay?
I'd Love to see buildable watch towers and forts again!
RE: the tech tree, you can easily have both within the longer time period. Namely the broad strokes of technological advancement is handled dynamically and the further refinement. Or pergaps the possibility of pop up events for one time investment in certain, at the time, seemingly fringe technology like say the printing press. Which has a internal percentage chance of being successful and then confers a wide array of bonuses from say martial ability for troops and generals to the time taken to build/health of buildings. All due to the vast amount of subjects written materials were created after the establishment of the press.
Having said that, the press could be the dynamic tech and then the direction of materials published (martial, architectural or religious. Conferring a selection of bonuses within the chosen field).
Forgive me if that doesn't make total sense, I am exceptionally tired.
Never heard about him. I will subscribe to passively support him.
CK3 does it well to have years on culture or tech building. I hope they change the military access when the crusade is started so all same religion can move through.
Honestly, it kinda annoys me that devs want to put a technology tree in every possible game. Like yeah it's nice to have some agency but some uncertainty is good imo and also it is not like in the reality people know what exactly a given research will give them if anything at all. What I liked was Victoria 2 system - you have some pretty simple technology trees that you can choose but then you get bunch of those mini technologies that are unblocked with those bigger ones. and the chance of getting them is on your other techs, your political system, what is your society and the like. I guess a system like that could work very well in a game set in the medieval times
That would make the game more immersive. If technology was centralized around the efforts and traits of the ruling class in some cases, and others being historic scripted events that improved quality of life (at least for medieval standards). Building chains should have policies attatched to them that have hidden triggers for the trait system for governor too
Seeing it realistically, I doubt it will be finished in near time, especially when he does it alone. Especially when It even wants to reach the scope of Games like Rome2. I mean look at Skyblivion an Oblivion Remaster in the Engine of skyrim, in the works since 11 years... By a whole team of Fans. And its a Game that already is there, Oblivion, just in a another Engine, that of Skyrim, and still it takes more then a decade to make. How do you guys even think he could do smth like Medieval 3 all by himself in less then 10 years?
My hope is that he manages to create a working prototype and then some big publisher decides to put a few million euros behind him the way paradox did with the original cities Skylines when simcity failed
M2tw units I felt had so much more weight to them compared to the sequels. The battles felt closer and heavier compared to the faster battles of total war Rome 2 and so on.. plus the m2tw units felt bigger
They absolutely did. Rome 2 were playable miniatures. Very much like a board game.....Warhammer perhaps???
Damn when u said the rome 2 era i had ptsd flashbacks. Like the entire twc fourms was 24/7 complaining.
Hopefully mods are supported in this game because it would be cool to see a Third Age Mod because I love the original Third Age Total War but the original game its a part of is just outdated and crash a lot on modern hardware.
Best of luck to this team and TAKE YOUR TIME!!!!
We are actively wanting to develop this game with mods in mind. So after we make a solid foundation if someone wants to make a total conversion mod they are free to do so! And hopefully it will be easier for them since we are considering that from the start.
@@Rampaned I'm very glad to hear this, Wish y'all the best of luck and remember "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto
Remastered medieval 2 with mod support and i will be happy 😃
One of my quirks on the TW franchise is how cavalry works, like if 2 cavs charge each other, they act like hitting a wall when they should have passed each other with people getting dismounted, horses dying on impact, etc.
Well in the ancient world some cav would go in slower like at a trot or whatever but yea I’d agree with you for some and ancient cav And medieval cav
Does that seem plausible that you could ride through an entire Unit of horses without crashing into each other?
I could see a mod making this happen in Shogun 2 with the dismount system.
@@88balloonsonthewall70 Yes and no. Of course there will be contact between horses, but the horses are not just going to charge head-on into another horse. Even if they did, horses are massive animals running at high speeds, they are not going to instantly come to a dead stop.
@@88balloonsonthewall70 not intentionally. Imagine two people colliding at full speed and then more than double it. It wouldn't be pretty. CA model for how cav works has never been great. If cav came to a dead stop in front of infantry to engage them in melee with swords they would be at a huge disadvantage against the infantry.
The point of cav is to break up blocks of infantry, not to engage them slowly on equal footing. They should work more like the chariots and elephants in Rome 1. Either that or mobile jav cav/archers. If they get stuck in a slow melee with infantry and don't dismount, they're dead IMO.
This is great news. I think the way CA has treated its community over the past 10 years has created the perfect storm where we have a lot of talented modders who can translate their skillset to full game development to create the games we want and deserve. Good luck Rampaned, I wish you all the success you need.
Really appreciate the words of encouragement man! I know it raises morale for myself and the development team when we hear things like this!
@Rampaned Don't push yourself, bro. I want Medieval 3, too.. but try to save your strength and hire other modders to help you too.
@@ShiramuUltraDelta That is the plan! As resources allow I am expanding the team so I am not the only one working on this project. Currently I have 15 people total and I am making sure to keep everyone's mental health as a top priority in developing this!
@@Rampaned My man. That's what I'm talking about! Thank you for this and making this all happen. Please keep us all updated, and if you can. Maybe... it wouldn't be such a bad idea to put this on Steam for an Early Access period. Doesn't mean you'll release it yet, but at least... steam users will get a "Taste" of what the final product will be like.
@@ShiramuUltraDelta Early access is definitely a possibility once we have a full working mini campaign around just the British Isles!
Call me jaded but, great on paper... I think it's biting off more than a small group of indie dev's can pull. Narrow the scope from the get go.
He already decided he is going to focus on 1066 British Isles, and then, if he is satisfied with the result, he is going to do the whole world, on the same formula.
Depends really on how they approach it. If they go for gameplay and mechanics over graphics and aesthetics then they could probably do it even on a indie budget. Ultimate General managed to create an intelligent ai and great battle gameplay as an indie developer. You can fight tactically engaging battles with tens of thousands of soldiers in real time. It’s basically what total war battles should be.
Whole thing feels very early days, like they dont even have a proper discord (linked one is to a youtuber's personal discord) and the developer is just kind of doing this between other games he is making. Its hard to say what will happen with this project but it feels Terminator is creating hype too soon for them. Maybe that will give them a boost but it might also create false expectations of a new total war level quality game that they cant meet.
Even the project name is misleading, makes you think they are doing a game about the renaissance when in fact according to the guy above its going to be set in the 11th century.
I agree, I would gladly pay 20 euros for a finished games with a small scope but great mechanics rather than never seeing a perfect game
@@SmokeDog1871 i think the name isnt about the histroical time and more about the meaning itself. the renaissance time was "characterized by an effort to revive and surpass the ideas and achievements of classical antiquity" (wikipedia). So if the dev is trying to revive and surpass the classical antiquity (CA golden years) then the name is very on point and from this video i must say that it is exactly what the dev seems to be doing. The name of the game will probably be smth else, the projekt name now only indicates what the dev whishes to do.
I think, looking at what Slavic Magic is doing with Manor Lords, is very inspirational. We are living in a time where Indie devs have so many great tools at their disposal, and its no longer down to the size and resources or number of employees of a company, but more down to talent, ambition and drive. And of course, time.
It's curious, many of these great Triple-A game companies started just like that, with 0 cash in their pockets and lots of dreams. Just to end up the other way around, idk if it's a matter of greed, corporativism or what
I think its a matter of large corporations buying these "indie" studios, then raising expectations on revenue stating they are now legally obliged to fulfil certain contractual obligations - any means necessary. I truly believe that if you asked a random developer/game designer from a AAA studio, then they want to develope the best game possible, because videogames are a passion for many. But money talks I guess.@@DiocletianLarius
For me his best move would be to create a small prototype for good mechanics with small map/time period/few units (like focusing only on war of the roses). Make it, develop the mechanics and the hard part to show the potential and publish it. Then hope some big studio notices him and decides to buy the IP to expand the focus.
Yay Big studio will buy him and force him to make a wattered down version in order to make more money.
@@stefankatsarov5806 i hate shit games made by big studios as much as anyone else but to make a serious game you need money, lots of. There are tons of great indie games that ended in failure because they could not continue development.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Maybe do a crowd funding project instead or something? @@stefankatsarov5806
absolutely agree.
A prototype with core functions is a must.
At this point I’m willing to settle for a Feral remaster of medieval II and have the community mod the shit out of it
Honestly, to prevent feature creep he ought to reduce scope but keep the game extensible. Sort of how Europa Universalis works with bookmarks, just focus on a single century and get that right before extending the timeline further. Too much ambition and you risk the project being abandoned. Otherwise I commend him, this is a good project and reminds me of the frustration towards Paradox with Victoria 3 causing the community to start their project of "remaking" Victoria 2.
Sounds fun! I wish the best of luck to him and the team!
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Such projects die out usually.
A very ambitius project, sounds really good, but theres no doubt that it will take a very long time. However this kind of projects, along with the mods, and even other games like Manor Lords, hopefully could make CA wake up, and understand what the majority of his player base want.
personally very happy to have no tech tree. I find them usuallly very gimmicky and often either are useless or overpowered.
I think the ai will be the main issue, it will be hard to create one that properly interacts with all features
Sadly I think we will learn why there isn't decent competition to TW. A battle simulator, grand strategy mix is very hard to complete and balance. The game would need two different engines and presumably need mod tools, and the engines would have to be better than TW, which despite complaints galore is probably actually pretty hard to achieve with no development dollars.
Hallelujah! I have craved a medieval 3 successor set in the Renaissance/early-modern period for years. Such a vibrant, turbulent and fascinating period. Pike, shot and lance tactics would require a lot of micromanagement skill I think.
I think it's a mistake to have the Americas, especially if you don't have the Incan Empire as this map doesn't. I'd love a game with playable pre-colonial factions, but that should be a "DLC" extra, seperate campaign later down the line after the initial campaign releases. I think the smartest move would be to emulate the scope of CK3's map.
definetley agree and even further down the line maybe china and japan could be added as a dlc. if the base game is good i dont mind paying even for a more costly dlc
I feel like the game could kill CA or get them to get their shit together. Both are good in a way.
@@huitz1348 lol no, they couldn't kill Ca even if they tried lmao
@undary0u maybe not but atleast get them to sweat
Chad Modders: "We are fine with taking a decade of our spare time to create a great total conversion mod for free."
Virgin CA: "We are sowwy, 2 million dollars are simply not enough to make more than 6 unique units（>﹏
😂😂😂
Lmao bro is overhyping a game that will never be a ca killer or even close
@@undary0u Of course not.
There won't be a bigger CA killer than CA themselves.
But as someone who spent 5 times as much time in Medieval total conversion mods as I did in Medieval 2 itself, I would advise against underestimating the scene. They usually take very long, but the resulting product is very often absolutely worth it.
Good luck, if he succeeds it'd probably be the holy grail, if he manages to make a fully fledged game from that prototype, but i'm doubtful he can manage the scope of games CA are capable of, them being a large company and all. And by the time you could consider project renaissance a game CA will probably have released at least 2-3 more titles and maybe one of them will be medieval 3
Even if CA do release MTW3 in the next few years it most likely will be a disappointingly poor game. Judging by the way things have gone and the way they’ve treated historical fans I don’t think they are capable of making a decent historical game anymore. Let this new guy make the game CA should have made years ago.
@@EVSmith-by9no i don't disagree that CA would probably disappoint, and i'm not against his endeavor. I just think it's improbable he can achieve the quality people envision a proper mtw3 should be without an injection of a few mln $, and some people who know how to manage a project this scale. Maybe he could do it like that dude who made wukong black myth, he made a great concept and then searched for a studio to fund him and help him finish it
@@lkl3210 Fair enough. I guess it depends what direction he takes it in. If he goes for gameplay and mechanics over graphics then it could be financially feasible. And personally I would prefer a game that has great gameplay over a game that looks good graphically. For me a spiritual successor to MTW2 would take the gameplay forwards with greater strategic and tactical depth, better mechanics, better ai, bigger battles in terms of realistic numbers for the era, and that would be enough.
This all sounds too good to be true. How many people will be working on it? How will they finance it? Making a video game of this scope will cost a lot of money and time. Look at Ancient Warfare: Han Dynasty or Nobunaga's Ambition or Romance of Three Kingdoms. Those games are very similar and probably inspired by Total War, but also low budget, so battles are in no way as epic as the evergreen Medieval 2, where battles were probably the most defining feature.
Currently the team has 15 people, with just a few minor roles still to be filled before we stop recruitment for a time. But all funding for this project will be generated from the studio channel were I intend to be very open showcasing how development is going.
As laudable as this goal is a project of this scale needs either experienced and skilled developers or large amount of funding to buy in said experience and skill. I wish him luck, but it would be much more sensible if this is a one man startup with limited dev experience to start with something vastly more limited in scope and ambition. Given there are already other campaign level games around focusing on building a battlefield only game would probably be the way to go, unfortunately its also by far the most difficult part of coding something like Totalwar. I really want to see Total War get some competition but I realistically its going to take a lot of money and time to build.
If there was a kickstarter I would love to contribute to it
Massive respect to Rampaned for doing this, great to see it receive some much deserved publicity!
I fully support this effort but it is an extreme undertaking to do this with this scope for the first game this guy has ever created. There is a reason why no one has tried this. There are many other developers besides CA that could have made a similar game but they have not. Anyway. I hope it does succeed!
this all sounds really amazing and while i hope it actually comes to pass, the cynic inside me screams "CA will engage their army of lawyers and nip this in the bud asap"
game mechanics don't have copyrights, if he's making a game from scratch just call it something else and there's nothing CA can do. If it's a mod I don't remember seeing CA ever interfering with it.
That's ridicolous
I prefer a detailed map of a smaller region over a big map with little detail. A game focused only on The conquest of great britain and the wars faught in the british isles is much preferred over a world expanding wap where each nation is two regions and wars go crazy quick.
Normally I hate hearing about medieval 3 but this actually looks really promising and good I'm excited to hear more about this one
It truly amazes me that modders and all the comunity are more active and create better content then the people whos actual job it is to do this and actually get paid for this. Great great respect to all modders out there!!! You have my big patreon support❤❤
I mean, most likely, it isn't the fault of the people who get paid to do the game, but rather the fact that they are not given the necessary resources, time, etc.
@OGTK00 true! I have to correct myself here. Its most likely the fault of the management and shareholders. Not the actual developers. But still a sad story...
Modders create the mods they want to play, if you want to play something that's a big motivation for modding a game - the official developers just want money so they care more about easy money than quality.
@@mrnygren2moding and creating a game from scratch within budget and higher ups breathing down your neck are 2 different thing why are total wars so dumb my god do yall think devs ,dont want to do something to the best of thier ability yall are so unappreciative of a job you have no semblance of how it works its Asanine yall and these youtubers its a bunch of dumby that think they know what happens behind the scenes because you buy games im not a dev but how yall infatalize this job is absolutely sicking 🤦🏾
Honestly I'm excited for it, especially as a Historic die hard and Historian, but I only worry because indie Games like this tend to have a lack luster art style or look which is unfortunately a real drive for me personally. If it isn't visually impressive my ADHD self gets bored quite quick even if the gameplay itself is very riveting and immersive, If a historic game cant invoke the right feelings it can become very plain for me. But I'm happy to finally have so many of the things I've missed about total war.
I've said for YEARS that CA should just use UE, because their engine is so dated by this point and UE is _right there_ and so good. Admittedly, I have no idea how well UE can handle the TW-style game loop. Seems like a decent option, given that CA has been doing about everything in its power to avoid developing a new game engine themselves.
As others have said, this is FAR worse than a Rome 2 situation. CA intentially neglected their technology and fans in favor of short-term profit. They built what was truly a DLC as a Saga, and then marketed and sold it as a Tentpole. It's abhorrent. They did that to you, me, everyone.
I'm done with CA. I won't buy a name, and I won't enable lack of innovation.
Bring on ALL the competitors. I'm ready for a new era of games. It's time to respect ourselves enough to ditch TW and support new devs.
About the tech tree, couldn't he take inspiration from the Crusader Kings 3 tech tree? I believe it works just fine for a longer time span.
I think the huge popularity of retro style (artistically) games has shown that genuine gamers aren’t actually all that obsessed with graphics. I adore project zomboid for example. Carrion, nightmare of decay etc… and a long list of hugely popular complex games with PS1 graphics.
Great complex gameplay will always take precedent over graphics every time. Good graphics are a bonus. If you can get great complex gameplay AND great graphics. By all means do it. It’ll only make it better. But if we have to pick one. Concentrate on complex and fun gameplay.
You’d be surprised how much high end graphics don’t matter. Especially if you’ve got a competent designer/lead who knows how to create an aesthetic and keep it consistent across the games wold. Just a consistent and unique aesthetic is all that’s needed to create immersion and believability in a fantasy universe. Just look at all the cartoons where animals talk etc… total nonsense but it still fits for whatever reason. Even if the models themselves are blocky or not truly realistic. Keeping a style and being consistent with it, will do wonders.
Gameplay matters far more.
As a somewhat Unreal enthusiast, Id like to warn about the fact that Unreal has no unified or real solution for very large numbers of AI units. What solutions there are use all sort of tricks, smoke and mirrors that would simply not work in a live largescale battle. Would it be possible ? Probably, but you'd need to heavily dive into unreal base code and thats not a solo or even small team job. For the effort, I think you'd be better off using the warscape engine - modding warhammer 2/3 etc
hope not too much like medieval II total war. its a buggy outdated mess. i actually like how ROME II and attilla is. pharoh had lots of improvements too. bleh medieval II and rome I AI gave me nightmares, i just wanted proper sieges.
I dont have any hopes there are many copy cats of TW they didn't work well as their devs told to public
I seriously hope at this early stage he considers a more CK3 like real-time campaign which as opposed to the turn based system of total war. It solves the problem that the 'You must have a general for an army' was designed to solve; namely small armies roaming around and causing problems for the player that can't chase them down because it's not their turn or because they don't have enough movement points. It allows for refined control of armies and for the movement of armies to more closely resemble what they would have been capable of in the context of an actual military campaign.
Like FOTS had the best naval battle system but the worst experience on the campaign map because in between player turns navies would swoop in and destroy the ports, then retreat into god knows where within the FOW and you wouldn't be able to find them with the movement points you had left. In reality navies would be patrolling and attempting to intercept one another in real time.
CK3 has a very simple military system compared to total war but the actual approach of each county and duchy having a certain number of levies/knights/men at arms that take several days in real time to muster at a location and then march into an area with limitations on supply, attrition, etc. where a military campaign takes 1-2 years rather than 10 years worth of consecutive turns.
Great, sure. But I'd keep my expectations down to reality. If it ever happens it might take longer than CA releasing some sort of M3 project.
The early total war games felt like they were made by lovers of history, that's what we need, people with a passion for history to really make something great.
Volound was right about everything.
Looks super interesting... After playing 1212AD and other great medieval mods, one has to have that spark of excitement for this for sure... thanks for the info Termi.
Hopefully CA (or any other company) doesn't try to slow or stop him. I would donate some money if it was legal to do so and he accepted it. I wish him lots of luck.
Diplomacy that actually works
Dynamic melee combat (no more 1v1 only crap) but still has kill moves. You know, like what Medieval 2 had
I see they have a big map!
As for armor upgrades, be a little more realistic about it. Have different armors that have slightly different advantage. Although plate armor is by far the best armor of course even then fluted plate armor will just be much stronger all around but have a extra plus in protecting against blunt force weapons like in axes, halberd, pollax, and weapons like it.
While angular plane plate armor with slopes will have a bigger plus against spears, pikes, Lance, and missiles.
But has something like mail armor well have it as a generic armor with no extra plus but much stronger than non-metal armors.
Lamellar armor have a slight plus in missiles defense than mail armor.
That might require a massive Stat sheet check list to host all these small indicators. But with an overhauled building system, all of these variances could be offered through a dynamic Armoury browser tree. I think every building should come with a catalouge of unique options and/or politics. Upgrading blacksmith opens up new forging techniques, or specific tech trees to unlock techniques in metallurgy for military or civic purposes.
The thing it’s that CA it’s afraid of competition, and with this brewing they will be forced to make major improvements.
I play a lot of Total War but I can't remember the last time I played a vanilla campaign. Mods add such creativity. The fact that CA has never properly integrated anything comparable shows they lack the passion or care for this community and franchise.
Say it's too ambitious if you want, but the Ultimate General series did almost all of these things on an indie budget, and did it much better than TW
Creative Assembly standing on a literal goldmine and refusing to profit from it. Reminds me of disney with star wars and marvel.
I hope with a big map like this the battle map would be big enough too and the thing about every army having a limit of 20 units get an improvement and the limit itself be erased and for the tech tree you can use the ones from the games like Cid Meier's Civilization and increase the amount of techs there are so that every faction would be more deferent in the late game and don't forget the unique tech each faction can have for itself
Good luck! Anything is better than wait for CA to do the right thing!
I really hope this project is a success, although I liked Pharaoh I agree that CA really needs a competitor, and I would love another game like TW even with simpler graphics. However, I remain skeptical that one man would be able to create such a game. Let's see what the future holds.
Knights of Honor II: Sovereign also comes close to a Medieval III.
Medieval 1212 is basically Medieval 3. Need more people on their team instead of doing another Medieval game. I would love to see Medieval 3, but I'm hoping the next historical TW is Empire 2. I love the line up in fancy dress and sling lead at each other period lol.
Yeah but its a completely new game that could be even better than 1212 if he got more support, I like 1212 AD but being a mod it has its limitations that you need a new game to surpass, I think seeing this guy make the game for a bit is a good idea since the modders are also still working and if its promising or not we can prioritize then.
No mod can fix the beyond shitty warscape engine
I prefer this over some half-assed reskin job
M3 has hype/recognition. but also will have a target on its back for CA/Sega/whomever ends up with the rights to the (historical)TW IP ...
@@shashumgadimbo6857 Referring to mk1212 as a half assed reskin job is just ridiculous lol
There isn’t going to be another empire 2 or medieval 3 etc from CA.
It's ironic that this video spends almost its entire length pronouncing the breakdown of the TW series and the desire for alternatives, yet 99% of the gameplay footage is of TW games. Now that is a complex relationship, an admission that even though you aren't happy, you are stuck because there are no other choices.
I mean I feel like your description of the video is a little skewed? In the context of the project being developed here it's not so much breakdown of the TW series and more so identifying areas Renaissance can improve on the current modern established TW game. But you are spot on the majority of the community I think feels we're stuck with it even if we're incredibly unhappy with the latest titles
The Renaissance period is something that’s seldom used. It’s such a cool period in of itself.
Damn, he seems like he really knows what he's doing.
He doesn't. He has only ever made a 2d game in highschool.
Yeah it’s about time someone make this move. I hope it has unlimited modding ability too.
the ambition palpable....its quite alot to do like events a ton of events and settlement maps....hmmm, he might be setting him self up for failure coz game making takes a SHIT ton of mental strain, money, and time and something this ambitious takes all that and multiples it by tons, but I really hope he succeeds
I think this initial scope is very big, but there's no reason he can't start small and build up. This is still research very very early phase after all
I think the best approach would be attempting a drop-in replacement for the M2:TW engine, supporting the same file formats
That way you'd get access to all the content already produced for the game
and CA would allow that why?
@@lcdcstudios If it's a "clean house" implementation, I don't think they can do anything about it
Really hope he does not burn out on this, as the gigantic map is probably 5% of the process. So many milestones ahead of him. Kudos for doing it.
Though I like that a lot of people are going there own way paving the way for better games, this will take time. This really is the era of indie games, however this will also mean that there will be sparce times ahead. The Dark Ages are ahead of us, but eventually we will hit the renaissance era.
I love to see this happening. Bye bye brand loyalty, as customers we are entitled to a good product.
I also personally really like the idea of a community-made game, and can't wait to see more of its development!
Love seeing more people creating there own things and startups to finally challenge and create competition to CA. Competition is the only thing that will reign a rival business in to do better. CA has got fat and lazy in their development sitting on their throne. They're basically like Emperor Nero right now. Really excited to see what comes
God save Rampaned and all the modding community!
One thing that could be interesting to have is something that they did in Stainless Steel were they add a Noble title to the first character that is in a settlement, but it would be more fun to expand this concept, like having different character form the same families holding different cities or castles and even making that if one o those characters betray the faction (like in classic Medieval 2) make also his lands a independent faction OR if is the head of a family with Sons also having other lands make the event of civil war.
A good way to approach research would be to acquire unique abilities and qualities from other factions. Unique units, buildings, laws, buffs, etc.
I don't understand why doesn't CA make a new engine and develop Medieval 3. As if they don't want your money
The people who yell the loudest for Medieval 3 don't pay full price for the game. They'll shit all over it till it's less than 20 bucks.
@@davidstansbury9309 This is not true. Look at how many copies of TW3 and 3K was sold the day it was released. People are willing to pay premium money to premium products. Not for pharao tho because it isn't good enough.
@@davidstansbury9309maybe if they make a full new game, the fans would buy. I'm not willing to buy a reskin with little improvements of the same game over and over
New engine? 😂
No time for that while chasing a new trend.
@@pyaehtetaung It would be needed tho, the old ones has physics problems
Personally I'd prefer a new franchise to come out in the strategy genre that has massive battles.
This is very exciting. Looking forward to supporting
If such a project can attract enough specialists and sponsors, it could give players what they have been waiting for for almost two decades, as well as compete in the global strategy market for Creative Assembly. I sincerely wish this luck.
Sounds great, but also sounds like years and years of development. Kind of disappointing that despite it being called PROJECT RENAISSANCE it doesn't take place in that time period. Pike and shot era doesn't get the love it deserves.
CA desperately needed some competition.
uff unreal 5... that engine aint really good for massive strategy games.
this project is also wayyyy to ambitious for just one person. he will need massive help from the modding community team. if he gets together a team of those people, then, maybe, he can pull it off like 4chan did with 4leaf studios.
I thought Stainless Steel was the pinnacle of Medieval 2 modding (Apart from Third Age which is not historical medieval) and not even a mention of it here :O
The project sounds really awesome but i think its own ambition could easily kill it
I have been working on a similar game by myself for almost 10 years now. If he is going at this project solo, he is in for a treat :)
What does m2 have thats good? What does m2 need to make it better? What is capable? What is compatible? Too many variables. A game from scratch? Animating combat? Simulating single entities fighting as a cohesive unit makes pathfinding an target locking wonky. What about large units fighting as one? Rome 2 couldnt do it...mechanics, maps, tech trees. All good. But really capturing hand to hand combat. The standard is so high. The difficulty i can only imagine. Individual units should have characteristics/behaviors or descrepancies that impact their performance. A class system would determine a units combat effectiveness. Weapons and protection increase percentage of survival. Unit behavior could indicate fighting prowess, kill animations, aggression/strike triggers. Unit descriptions should actually play out on the battlefield. Bringing aythenticity and histroy behind your recruits and their cultural differences. Training. Social ethos. So many intangible aspects. So much has to be considered (and scrapped)
This will not happen, calling it now
If they ever make Medieval game I hope it's based on 3K with retinue system as it fits having Lords, Households and Banners with own troops, plus diplomacy is amazing. Also I'd love to see separation of time periods as Middle Ages are lenghty period, so for example Medieval 1 did a good job by making it Early, High and Late Medieval Era focusing on different Factions, Warfare type and such, From early period marking the beginning of Crusades to Fall of Constantinople, with different events like Mongols, Baltic Crusade etc it's just too big to fit in one game. I think Medieval 2 has overstretched it's timeline by making it as ONE Campaign.
Now if this serves as a jumping off point for an Empire 2 game set between like 1600/50s-1850/1900 or so would be amazing. And I would 100% support this and buy the game come hell or high water haha
I couldn't care less about top notch graphics, it was always one of my criticisms of CA. I don't care how well the eyebrows of Karl Franz are rendered if I'm still running around with tiny 2200 men armies. AI and well developed campaign features have always trumped super shiny unit models and animations.
Only downside that I can think of is the sound design will suffer - that's something CA has done very well.
Free and Open source is the way to go if his serious about this project, let the community engage and support the development process and be able develop for it. A good example of a game that has done this is the long running RTS game Warzone 2100 it was first created as a proprietary game by published by eidos and created by pumpkin studios, eidos Shut down pumpkin studios, a group by the Name N.E.W.S.T unofficially supported the game after pumpkin studios was shut. Eventually in 2003 the group petitioned Eidos to release the source code and art content for the game which eidos obliged and was released under the GPL2 license since then the group and contributors have constantly been working and updating the game. Which is why i say if he is willing to do this he should make it a open source game project it would definitely help with the development of the game.
I think this project is too big. I think it would behoove the team to start out with a much smaller project to get things rolling. Maybe they re-imagine the Brittania campaign or another one of the DLCs. That would be a smaller map, a shorter period of history, and fewer factions.
One of my issues with M2 is the sheer length of the time period. I think a lot of players have never seen many of the end-game events (like the new world). I think a smaller, more focused goal would be wiser.
I'm looking forward to news about this project, but I'm terrified that they have bitten off more than they could chew.
Tbh im completely done with total war as a whole, not just ca but this specific genre of strategy game, bc i have noticed that even the community doesnt seem to realise some of the massive problems with TW and appear to be completey fine with it, campaigns for example make no sense and are completly ahistorical and unrealistic ESPECIALLY the attila campaign which most of you dont dislike at all it seems, campaigns in TW games never progress like history, and no before you say it, it isnt about it being exactly like history, but having a framework with corresponding mechanics that makes the development of history in the game to make sense, bc nothing in history ever happened randomly, and inf4 you say it, if i ever wanted a "battle simulator" i wouldnt go for a game that has campaign, plenty of good games out there where you can just "do battle"
If it's a new engine with new code, couldn't he just do a crowd funder for an original game?
Obvious comparisons to manor lords...
Why call it medieval 3, when this would be permanently restricted to free downloads?
Awesome to see the Medieval III community getting a game that looks like it will be a project of passion, and will hopefully will turn out great.
Now someone has to make use of that European map for Shogun 2 to make an Empire 2. Although Napolean 2 would be more likely on that map. But still, I'm here for it.
Medievil 3 or empire 2 would be a tream.
Or a game set in 16th/17th century around the 30 year war when muskets and artillery became common.
You would beed to deal with gunpowder deployment(that alone could balance out melee and gunpowder units) etc.
I see they have a big map!
Don't make cavalry so unless especially knights with lance and armor!
As for armor upgrades, be a little more realistic about it. Have different armors that have slightly different advantage. Although plate armor is by far the best armor of course even then fluted plate armor will just be much stronger all around but have a extra plus in protecting against blunt force weapons like in axes, halberd, pollax, and weapons like it.
While angular plane plate armor with slopes will have a bigger plus against spears, pikes, Lance, and missiles.
But has something like mail armor well have it as a generic armor with no extra plus but much stronger than non-metal armors.
Lamellar armor have a slight plus in missiles defense than mail armor.
please tell him that he should watch all the videos by Voulond and Dishonorable Daimyo, where they completely explain all that is wrong, and all that is important about the game. no more "unit variety", no more "fantasy vs history"... just a good game that works and is fun to play
When it comes to technology trees, you COULD limit the technology to a certain year, preventing you from developing anachronistically and becoming too advanced too early. Research bonuses would still be useful, since you could develop earlier than your opposition, and it would be very useful if development took a while, giving you at least a few years advantage with guns against your lesser advanced foes.