Why I DON"T take big Clients as an Artist (Income breakdown)

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  • Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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    Freelance vs independent income, why I rarely take on big clients
    This was the Top-voted video as requested from last month's poll
    00:00 A Decision to Make
    02:10 Disney income
    03:04 Personal work income breakdown
    06:22 Understanding your value
    07:42 Client vs Independent over a year
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  • @qrbitsart
    @qrbitsart Месяц назад +280

    Thank u for sharing, I completely agree hahah, for a long time also felt the need to 'legitimize' myself as an artist by taking client work, but it is indeed 90% of the time soul sucking (even if they're great to work with...) and taking time away from personal work that has a way higher profit & enjoyment potential
    Working 4 urself is the first step to learning how to work for a client anyway, and once u start...u may want to just keep working for yourself forever 😂

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +16

      The art world sure is an odd one 🙃

  • @mastafran
    @mastafran Месяц назад +292

    Step Zero: Make actually good art.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +83

      Never hurts, but in all honesty I’ve seen some questionable art pop off 😅

    • @chills_tiny_mom
      @chills_tiny_mom 25 дней назад +2

      welp im over

    • @neolordie
      @neolordie 24 дня назад +3

      (for social media) make art that's marketable* doesn't have to be that good

    • @ALEXANDER-ic1ib
      @ALEXANDER-ic1ib 23 дня назад

      Just get good

    • @ninjahedgehog5
      @ninjahedgehog5 23 дня назад +4

      Dobson may be have turned to a cringle lord now but something he posted that always stuck with me was showing how an intricate setting art with multiple set pieces that took him hours got him no vews compared to a 20 minute drawing of a funny donut man with a moustache.
      good art may be subjective but appealing to the lowest common denominator is what gets you the spotlight.

  • @MetalChocoboGirl
    @MetalChocoboGirl Месяц назад +244

    really appreciate this insight. artists can sometimes be a bit cagey about income and their experiences in industry, so the transparency is a breath of fresh air. i think it's important that the community moves in this direction. all artists can benefit by knowing their worth.

    • @FyreHeartStudios
      @FyreHeartStudios Месяц назад +9

      "All artists can benefit by knowing their worth."

    • @Mighty.Matcha.
      @Mighty.Matcha. Месяц назад +1

      Ppl can know how much an artists worth instead of complaining it’s too pricey most of the time

  • @littletinyegg
    @littletinyegg Месяц назад +239

    I love this conversation!! when I tell people irl I'm a freelance artist they often want to hear about work I've done for clients, and I'm glad to name drop and give that legitimacy to myself, but my (sparse af) client work is the most distracting, least profitable, and borderline painful to create compared to my independent work. I almost see client work as a donation towards legitimizing and adding to my resume. I wish I would have seen this when I was first starting out and was glamorizing "getting hired". Hiring myself is so much better lol

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +38

      Right! I spend so long after college beating my self up because I could not get hired thinking I wasn’t good enough. A silly world we live in

  • @exileisland2675
    @exileisland2675 Месяц назад +142

    One of the biggest reasons Im an artist is so I don't have to work for others. Knowing it's less lucrative just reinforces that choice.

    • @kickbeez642
      @kickbeez642 Месяц назад +4

      The biggest reason I am an artist is the joy of creating and an escape from reality, as I'm sure it is the for many in the comments here. But as I grew older I have the same goal as you mentioned in that I really desire to work for myself and no longer be tied down to someone or a group that only sees me as a $. The discipline needs to be there, tho because art can definitely be a tedious task, especially when life comes at you lol

    • @exileisland2675
      @exileisland2675 Месяц назад +4

      @@kickbeez642 sometimes i see some gawd awful art and they get numbers cus theyre consistent. thats the key. posting every day sounds like hell until you walk into your job fulla crackheads and everyones mad for the 67th day in a row. we gonna make some peace if we cant find it.

    • @natesmodelsdoodles5403
      @natesmodelsdoodles5403 Месяц назад

      @@exileisland2675 Aye. constant drawing and posting sounds infinitely better than any of the jobs I've worked at.

  • @grantholomeu3725
    @grantholomeu3725 Месяц назад +63

    It's basically cutting out the middle man. Your art --> consumer, or your art --> company --> consumer

    • @rjbourgeois5490
      @rjbourgeois5490 Месяц назад +6

      Thing is, that's not necessarily a bad thing to have a middle man, depending on your circumstances. The middleman offers a market that you wouldn't otherwise have access to. You need to analyze your potential client base to see which is more worth your time. Working for yourself can be great, but the middle man oppertunities pose less risk for a developing artist (same with any other field of work). The middleman is viewed as inherently bad for seemingly taking away a portion of your potential profits, but it's not necessarily a bad thing if that expense is worth the cost. Personally, I love working for myself (not an artist), but I also recognize the benefits of having a middleman to generate the market I need to increase my revenue potential while simultaneously adding a bit of job security (though no job is ever fully secure).

    • @oh-noe
      @oh-noe 29 дней назад +1

      that is an oversimplification

    • @NoobNoobNews
      @NoobNoobNews 27 дней назад

      The bigger lesson I see comes from licensing. You sell your art, or you sell your license.
      Who makes money after the art is made? You can sell the art in the form of prints for the mass market, or you can sell the license of the art piece to a large client.
      I think it is important to have the correct middle man. Many artists use websites that are licensed to print and split the revenue with the artist in the form of royalties.

  • @GodLovesComics
    @GodLovesComics Месяц назад +43

    Sooo you took the...red pill (once;)? Actually that card is beautiful and while you "only" made $1500 for it, you can forever add "Disney artist" to your resume which sounds incredible. It probably also ups your rate for future commissioned illustration work, even if that's not the way you want to go.

  • @zazamospanapolus
    @zazamospanapolus Месяц назад +42

    Having worked at several of these events as an Exhibitor whenever I see Artist Alley I always try to go out of my way to visit the artist booths. That's where all the really cool and unique stuff is anyway! I've been following your content for a while (as I've also seen you at a million different gaming and anime shows) and it's so fascinating getting to see the business side of the artist. Thank you for this.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +5

      Thanks for watching 😉

  • @heroiam4067
    @heroiam4067 Месяц назад +52

    probably the best art business channel right now

    • @cdarklock
      @cdarklock Месяц назад +5

      Very nearly the ONLY art business channel. There are a lot of business art channels but that is not the same thing

    • @heroiam4067
      @heroiam4067 Месяц назад +6

      @@cdarklock yea most of them tend to be very generic and dispensing “advices” instead of just going into the details of what’s working for them.

    • @gettingfmstatic
      @gettingfmstatic Месяц назад

      @@heroiam4067 if youre looking for other art business related channels, ive really enjoyed @KelseyRodriguez 's channel

  • @benbowers3613
    @benbowers3613 Месяц назад +16

    Really digging the "traditional" b--roll clips overlayed with anime

  • @caringfamily8132
    @caringfamily8132 Месяц назад +84

    Inkwell's experience working for clients versus working for himself proves an important point: your ability to maximize profit is greater working for yourself than somebody else. Capitalism - our economic system - is based on controlling the means of production. By controlling resources used to make something, like workers and the products/services they make, capitalists (business owners like Disney, in this example) funnel economic output upward. In other words, workers (artists) get paid a minimum; business owners, since they own what workers produce, reap all profit - forever - of what their workers make. Here, Disney paid Dustin (as an employee) a whopping $1,500 for one month's work. Wonder how much Disney (capitalist/owner) will make from this one picture....forever? Got it, doing work for big outlets beefs up the resume, can be huge ego stroke, and make for awesome bragging rights; however, as video revealed, owning one's work can yield much greater profit, in the long run, than working for someone else. Disney really gets what business is about, so should artists!!!

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +11

      This 👆

    • @Sleepy-ib5sl
      @Sleepy-ib5sl Месяц назад +12

      It's far more nuanced than that but very true. Just not everyone wants to be running a business or is capable of doing so. Some of us just want to make our little pictures in peace, collect a paycheck and move on with our lives.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +5

      @@Sleepy-ib5sl also very valid

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +3

      @@solarydays I will have to strongly disagree, the independent space is quite large, and I’m not saying people in the 80s or whenever didn’t benefit from lack of competition, honestly idk I wasn’t alive then to say. but when I started out 5 years ago competition was similar to now. Which some could say is a good thing, makes our industry more visible. People who expect to enter a job market with no competition are probably doing something with little demand

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад

      @@solarydays nothings is a one size fits all I won’t argue that, I can’t cover everyones situation in a 10minute RUclips video or begin to understand everyone unique situation. However the point of the video Is to highlight the value/ potential value of working artists with evidence of a low point of entry. Compared to other sectors of the art industry.

  • @FyreHeartStudios
    @FyreHeartStudios Месяц назад +18

    This might be one of the most hopeful videos I've seen in regards to living as an artist in a long time.
    I really appreciate it, and your openness. Thank you!

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +1

      Hope it helps!

  • @alexl1938
    @alexl1938 Месяц назад +12

    dude, i love you so much for sharing and being so upfront. I just started taking art seriously as a full time last summer and i hope we're at the same con one day so i can thank you in person 💗

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +1

      Best of luck to you on your art journey!

  • @createbyspark
    @createbyspark Месяц назад +4

    Always appreciate your raw honesty and transparency! We need more of this kind of genuine content that can educate both artists and clients alike to respect the craft.

  • @rozenngrosjean
    @rozenngrosjean Месяц назад

    Thank you for this conversation!

  • @An1mat0rz
    @An1mat0rz День назад +1

    A friend directed me to you after stumbling across this video randomly, I actually used that fairy illustration at 3:11 for a dnd character. Honestly I really liked it, and knowing that you have other works with similar potential makes me VERY happy, they're like pictures directly into a fantasy world I love it! I cannot wait to see what other works you come up with, they're all great!

  • @wildverband
    @wildverband Месяц назад +2

    Thanks a lot for your transparency! ❤ Very inspiring

  • @bridgetteswenson52
    @bridgetteswenson52 Месяц назад +1

    This was a great video! Thanks so much for sharing!

  • @KawaiiStarz
    @KawaiiStarz Месяц назад +3

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. It was very interesting to see how both sides work. I look forward to your next video!

  • @LewisCoxIII
    @LewisCoxIII Месяц назад

    Yay thanks for the inspiration! I needed that.

  • @vonnart
    @vonnart Месяц назад +7

    ANd yet another banger. Keep em coming Dustin! 🍵

  • @ellesimon4344
    @ellesimon4344 29 дней назад

    Super useful advise. Thank you for sharing!

  • @percichen
    @percichen Месяц назад +5

    I love watching your videos so much

  • @memezurdreamz2203
    @memezurdreamz2203 Месяц назад

    Thanks a ton for making this video, your illustrations are awesome. Someday I wish to learn to work textures like that.

  • @KodokunaYume
    @KodokunaYume Месяц назад

    this video gives me so much strength to continue. thank you

  • @keelyimai1527
    @keelyimai1527 Месяц назад

    Thank you for continuing to do the lords work in helping artists with business perspective ❤ I have been struggling with this balance for years, and have been moving in a more independent direction to cut my reliance on external anything (fan art, client work, etc). It’s encouraging to see your journey and the vibrant, unique worlds you create!

  • @Dananim8ed
    @Dananim8ed Месяц назад

    Thanks for sharing! some great insights and examples here. Appreciate it

  • @MathiasZamecki
    @MathiasZamecki Месяц назад +2

    Thanks for making those super valuable 👑

  • @peppapotato
    @peppapotato Месяц назад

    This is so encouraging thank you

  • @trogjoe3538
    @trogjoe3538 Месяц назад +8

    All your videos are gold, thank you!!
    I would love to hear a history of your career. How'd you go from a baby artist out of college hunting freelance to a 200k indie business? Did you start with barista-ing and arting at night, and just build steady from there? Or were there moments of leveling up to new skill or income level? Was there a point where you made a new strategic plan that took you from being a hopeful artist, to actually making a living at it? There's lots of us out here making art, are we just not good enough yet, or is there some other element missing?

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +4

      I’ll keep this idea in mind for a future video

  • @jpeckdraws3932
    @jpeckdraws3932 Месяц назад +1

    You make great videos thanks man 👍 there were really good points in here I wouldn’t have considered

  • @aesew
    @aesew Месяц назад +7

    Your videos are so valuable for starters, like me, and giving a good and clear perspective on how things works, so thank you !

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +4

      Happy to help! 😊

  • @Meianju
    @Meianju Месяц назад

    Thank you for this video. It has been eye opening. There were far more possibilities that I thought.

  • @NguyenHuy-sg9bs
    @NguyenHuy-sg9bs Месяц назад

    Thank you for sharing touchy subjects like these, which I think more artists should talk about 🙏

  • @machidraws1
    @machidraws1 Месяц назад +2

    very solid break down, i like this way of thinking about it!! subbed

  • @ougi_rk
    @ougi_rk Месяц назад

    This video is actually very useful, thank you a lot! Your channel is awesome

  • @Shaoz049
    @Shaoz049 Месяц назад +1

    Honestly, thank you for posting this. I've been lost for a while when it comes to just figuring out how or where to step in taking my artwork and actually turning it into a living.

  • @genevahendersom3593
    @genevahendersom3593 29 дней назад

    Thank you, that was very informative.

  • @marcofabro
    @marcofabro Месяц назад +13

    After losing 1FW this is the kind of content that makes me want to continue pursuing being an independent artist. Sadly AI has put a dark cloud over my motivation in the last 12 months. Thank you!

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +5

      Best of luck on your art journey!

    • @marcofabro
      @marcofabro Месяц назад +2

      @@Inkwell Thank you!

    • @no-name1025
      @no-name1025 Месяц назад +5

      keep going with your art. A.I is nothing compared to your own personal touch, don't let this A.I thing hinder your progress. keep up a positive mindset, i wish you all the luck!

    • @marcofabro
      @marcofabro Месяц назад +1

      @@no-name1025 Thank you

  • @ThePowerofStoriesDK
    @ThePowerofStoriesDK 15 дней назад

    Wow, this was really eye-opening. This is the first video of yours that I've seen. I didn't realize there was that much demand out there. I guess the next step is finding one of your videos where you breakdown how you gathered such a large following/fanbase. Thanks, Inkwell!

  • @cobaltplasma
    @cobaltplasma Месяц назад +1

    Really appreciate the level of depth and nuance you have in this video along with your transparency, it's awesome and I think a lot of artists will find this information incredibly useful. Pete Morbacher touched on this a while back when he was ramping up Angelerium, and noted that he had his sales and marketing set up where he was pulling 10x or more on his personal work compared to what companies wanted to offer him to do freelance. Cool stuff man, thank you for posting this :)

  • @victormaury7861
    @victormaury7861 Месяц назад +1

    fascinating food for thought!

  • @ReneArreolaArt
    @ReneArreolaArt Месяц назад +1

    Great point!

  • @tiakinsmanart
    @tiakinsmanart Месяц назад +5

    This aligns with my current direction that I'm working on in the business side of things, I've been an independent artist from the beginning, but now I'm really focusing on "how many ways can I make money off one image so I can make a more livable wage?" I do commission/client work when it's interesting to me, I've done market posters (one of which I'll make money off prints at the market too!), and I'm doing a sticker sheet, but that contract gives me the copyright to do whatever with after a certain time 😎

  • @Kikopaints_
    @Kikopaints_ Месяц назад

    Love this video how I love your other videos as well. Very informative! You are one of my all time favorite artists ever since I first laid my eyes on your art at a convention. Really interesting how the art market is shifting. This insight will also boost other artists’ perspective about their art and hopefully shift company’s position for the better (better pay of course). Keep creating awesome videos!

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад

      We can only hope! Thanks for watching!

  • @GoGo-ze1mq
    @GoGo-ze1mq 6 дней назад

    Mind blown! I always felt the indie route was the way to go but this is unbelievable. Great video!

  • @MrJvieira72
    @MrJvieira72 Месяц назад +1

    Great video. I learned a lot . Ty

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад

      Hope it helps! And thanks for watching

  • @violettracey
    @violettracey 2 дня назад

    Thanks!

  • @MacaRosee-tl5uw
    @MacaRosee-tl5uw Месяц назад +1

    You are phenomenal. Keep making great art

  • @uniandumi
    @uniandumi Месяц назад +2

    I LOVVVEEE ALL UR INSIGHT! It makes me feel so much more validated that our personal work can actually carry more meaning, integrity, and branding than client work. when I was in my last year of college, all of my professors, except for one, pushed me to do illustrations that would fit certain publishing companies rules when those jobs are extremely competitive to get and aren’t sustainable. I think there’s a huge misunderstanding around how working for a company as an artist is the best thing ever. I think the main reason 90% of artist do what they do is because of their personal take on some that they love, and when you explore and build off of that, you can make more money than a company could ever give you for a project they want with rules that you have to follow.

  • @omirlee3908
    @omirlee3908 Месяц назад +1

    I really appreciate your videos a lot and I’m a lot older getting back into the art scene again

  • @davidcapuzzo
    @davidcapuzzo Месяц назад

    Great advice.

  • @wetwavewood
    @wetwavewood День назад +1

    2 years ago my buddy used that fairy dragonfly knight art as a pic in our DND game and after I found this video I sent it to him. He was like "No fing way that is crazy". Cool that this vid randomly popped up after that amount of time.

  • @codelupo
    @codelupo Месяц назад

    Very informative - video is nice

  • @asacomptontrackandfield614
    @asacomptontrackandfield614 Месяц назад

    Perfect video to start my morning! I always feel like like if you’re excited about your work, somebody else will be, too. Maybe not Disney, who is highly business-minded and risk-adverse (at least at first). I feel like the takeaway was that trying to chase the money, ironically, can lead to less money than just drawing what YOU want to draw.

  • @dougobrien3361
    @dougobrien3361 Месяц назад +10

    I've just started painting commissions over the past year. I gave up on art after Highschool for 8 years but made a painting of a friend's dog. Started showing it to friends and family and one of them asked to commission 4 pieces. Started working on the friend's piece and was showing *that* to other people and now I'm backed up a year in commissions, with more coming in frequently. It's still a super part time thing for me but I'm really enjoying how spontaneous it started. I'm earning between $15 and $20 an hour with only 5 paintings to my name so far.
    I'd love to pick up illustration and give it a try. So far I've been resistant to allowing prints of my paintings because there's something special about having only 1 original out there.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +3

      thats awesome! you gotta make it clear you want the right to make prints before taking a commission going forward!

  • @timkongart
    @timkongart Месяц назад

    Thanks for sharing Dustin! Its a intertesting situation and I totally agree with the mindset in general. I think it only doesn't become much of a option if you as the artist struggle to sell personal art to a high enough quantity that you can live off. This is just my personal experience speaking here but I found myself in a situation where I felt forced to take on client work because my art is struggling to sell online and in conventions they don't do bad but the combined income isn't enough to live off.
    That being said if I was in a position where some of my personal pieces can sell well online with something I can whip in a short time then I'd definately think its a better option. That is if you're someone who wants to work as a independant business. I can understand for folks who feel more comfortable working under a brief and for a big project.

    • @timkongart
      @timkongart Месяц назад

      But thank you so much for the breakdown! Very few artists share these kinda figure on video and it not only gives motivation but also gives a lot of potential for how someone could make do.

  • @ChantelleArts
    @ChantelleArts Месяц назад +2

    This is fascinating ☺☺

  • @gumball1328
    @gumball1328 19 дней назад

    I don't normally get to learn this part of the business because you shouldn't ask people how much they make, but it's so interesting from an analytical point of view. Thank you for sharing the numbers.

  • @a3a2_m
    @a3a2_m Месяц назад

    thanks mr. milo thatch!

  • @Sleepy-ib5sl
    @Sleepy-ib5sl Месяц назад +3

    Your videos are both entertaining and very informative. Thank you for making those!. For us artists our art is our most valuable asset and it's important we dedicate time into making more art, as those can later be used to generate income. This being said it's far less likely for an average artist to generate income by online sales than freelance. So for smaller, less established artists this split between freelance and independent will look very different (in favor of freelance).

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +1

      I agree online sales can be difficult for those starting out. And freelance is great however This is why I typically suggest in person events, I think the potential is quite large in our current climate.

    • @Sleepy-ib5sl
      @Sleepy-ib5sl Месяц назад +1

      @@Inkwell I agree and due to job marked being increasingly f***ed for artists I think we'll see far more people moving into the indie space. Which is great! Btw. that's besides the topic but here's an video idea. It would be interesting to see your progress in indie spaces. How you started, what were the biggest milestones for your business and your art, what in your opinion were the most important business decisions you made. You know a recap of your career as an indie artist. I think many people would find a lot of value in that.

  • @artbyinky
    @artbyinky Месяц назад +3

    You’ve made a very good point about client work, sure you get a big amount up front, but you lose all rights and freedom with that piece moving forward. You essentially sell a part of your soul to a company that’s worth billions for them to get more and more.
    I’ve done a few smaller commissions, but I don’t really like doing it. It can be a stressful process and in the end it’s something I can’t do much with once the project is over. I love to make art just for me or to turn into products I can sell. It’s super fulfilling to make an illustration and then get it on a tote bag or something and see how it translates.
    This is why I love digital art! I’m able to turn it into various profitable things people can use and enjoy.

  • @SherrifOfNottingham
    @SherrifOfNottingham 23 дня назад +2

    Starting out you don't have a choice of what to prioritize
    If you need that paycheck, you take it.
    The luxury of turning down an offer so you can make art "for yourself" is not something that everybody has the option of doing, and those that do have that option will take it dependent on their privilege. But the idea that disney is going to "suck out your soul" is hyperbole at best.
    The most important thing to understand is that society is built to prioritize you doing the first option, taking the job and getting paid. This is the same society that gives AI art more value than you as an artist... so it's probably worth considering the political aspect of the situation and working to resolve society to not only allow this path for an artist, but to encourage turning down cheap jobs to build your skillset and portfolio.
    Best case, even if you never "pop off" and make marketable art, a society built to sustain the second option for everybody, will sustain you whether you're profitable or not

  • @yasmeenw7227
    @yasmeenw7227 Месяц назад

    Honestly, you're so good at art, you have a great personality, and you do really good on social media.
    Personally, I was never able to reach good numbers. I did cons for 2 years and never made profit, I always just made table fee back if it cost less than 100. I def wasn't making gas money or food money back, just table fee.
    As much as I still appreciated everyone who supported me, because to me that still means a lot, it's not enough to be sustainable.
    I'm still going to watch your videos because they're so great & maybe someday I'll try selling my art again.
    💛

  • @Eradin
    @Eradin Месяц назад +1

    I'm a game developer and in the last 2 months I have hired 3 different artists on a commissions basis. By far the biggest problem I run into is artists who are unable to meet the deadline they commit to. If you can communicate your availability, are responsive throughout the process, and can *deliver* by the deadline, it will really make you stand out over time.
    So, please also consider whether you are able to manage your own time and schedule effectively when deciding what type of work to take on!

  • @aIcktastic
    @aIcktastic Месяц назад

    Your JoshStrifeHayes drip is on point man

  • @valasdarkholme6255
    @valasdarkholme6255 Месяц назад +1

    I had thought work that wasn't client work would be far less profitable. I guess I need to figure out how to do this with my 3d work. Thanks for the heads up.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад

      best of luck!

  • @baliczek4568
    @baliczek4568 Месяц назад +1

    Bro is unlocking class consciousness

  • @SenbonTv
    @SenbonTv 16 дней назад +1

    Same as any business, you will need both type source of income.
    One is for short term and another one is for long term.
    If you are in a short term needs, you can't depend on your own art as you might not be able to survive for the next 3 months.

  • @hanskrill5625
    @hanskrill5625 Месяц назад +1

    Nice and insightful breakdown!
    As an artist who did spend the last 10 years doing client work I can also tell you that, not only did I make less money, I also learned less! I’m currently at the point that I don’t even know what I WANT to make anymore. I’m so used to work for clients that I haven’t had time to cultivate my own creativity. So yeah, that’s probably an even greater cost than the actual money I missed out on.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +2

      I am sorry to hear that, I hope your art journey going forward is a fruitful one

  • @isurus2478
    @isurus2478 Месяц назад +1

    i should get into illustration at some point, it's fun and rewarding. but, this video reinforces that I need to go independent.

  • @_paixi
    @_paixi 21 час назад

    The price of labor in Canada is at an all-time low. For the property and assets you could buy on minimum wage here in 1970, it would have to be raised to $90/hr today to buy the same. For food it would have to be raised to $40/hr, yet most illustration jobs only pay $19/hr, which after taxes isn't enough to pay rent in many places. The only way to make a dignified living now is to sell value rather than your time.

  • @Flare6
    @Flare6 Месяц назад

    Really great insight! I'm curious to know if companies, like Disney, would be open to negotiating a royalty where artist can earn a percentage of the sales.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +1

      Disney definitely not, and typically royalties are hard to negotiate for inless your a head of a project like a film or something like that. royalties are more common practice in publishing when there like 2 -3 people on the whole project. But I could see you trying this with some smaller companies but most places are not willing to negotiate that type of thing with an illustrator on studio work

  • @darkomen4343
    @darkomen4343 Месяц назад

    Do you have a video about setting up an online shop, do's, dont's, and best practices?

    • @darkomen4343
      @darkomen4343 Месяц назад

      Nevermind lmao: ruclips.net/video/5dEqQwSgTi0/видео.html

  • @captainwonders7708
    @captainwonders7708 25 дней назад

    Love when the camera glitch happened, he just misspelled camera.

  • @saskia8018
    @saskia8018 Месяц назад +1

    Interesting comparison! It's probably more difficult to decide if you don't enjoy working in a commercial style or popular genre (no shade, it's just that game-y styles and fantasy are popular) but still very educating to see the value of building your IP. Also it makes me feel like the 1500 is way too low as payment for those card illustrations. I've seen stats about how illustration rates in the US have been stagnant for decades and it's sobering.

  • @sjZhyren
    @sjZhyren Месяц назад

    Honestly, your videos are one of the reason I'm dreaming of being able to sustain myself at least partially by selling my own art products online.
    It feels like a pipe dream right now. Tried my first artist alleys last year and they went better than expected but I have so far absolutely no luck with social media or marketing my own stuff online. Getting people to see my art online for sale seems like an insurmountable task right now.
    Artist alleys around here don't really see company people going around recruiting either. But when it comes to marrying these two things; the TTRPG clients I've had so far, while they are unable to pay much, let me retain the rights to sell my own products of art that I make for them. Sometimes those pieces work out quite well.
    I will try but I really do feel the need to tamper any expectations. It seems quite hard to even accurately evaluate which paintings speak to an audience in the first place. Might just be that my style is not something in demand. I guess I'll find out.

    • @DeadApe133
      @DeadApe133 Месяц назад

      One of my favorite Inkwell videos is his interview with Kehasuk, who puts virtually no effort into his online presence. He's all about the convention grind and built a following that way, even started out doing sidewalk caricatures outside of conventions he couldn't get into!

  • @DigitalArtcast
    @DigitalArtcast Месяц назад +6

    Dude I would love you to come on the podcast to talk about this stuff! Would you be up for it?

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад +3

      My schedule is looking a bit crazy atm, but I would be up for it after may if that works for you 🦑

    • @DigitalArtcast
      @DigitalArtcast Месяц назад

      @@Inkwell oh defo I sent you an email also to start the communication chain but defo down!

  • @Sadarac152
    @Sadarac152 Месяц назад

    Great Info! Also slightly intimidating knowing the economics of commissioning, especially as a private individual (who can't afford a higher sticker price than) vs a corporation (who chooses to offer the lowest they can "get away with" in pursuit of profit).

  • @artinastudio
    @artinastudio Месяц назад

    Hi Inkwell, thank you for sharing. I appreciate your take on the situation. I have a technical question about the box with all the artwork in it. Where did you have that made? I ask because I want to make one for a collection of illustrations I made and it's difficult to find the right one and where to make it. Please let me know. Thanks.

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад

      I designed them and then sent the designs to Alibaba to get produced

    • @artinastudio
      @artinastudio Месяц назад

      @@Inkwell thank you for your quick reply. I'll have a look into it to see what I can do.

  • @paolaanimator
    @paolaanimator 12 дней назад

    Me: Takes out pen and paper and writes down notes. I loved the video. Your artwork is gorgeous by the way. I always love the fantasy artwork style. Your breakdown in finances helped me understand about finances more. However I will be working full time so I often wonder if doing this on the side may take more time for me.

  • @cymph1157
    @cymph1157 Месяц назад +2

    Big fan and love your work! Any advice for someone who wants to transition to art? I come from working in the corporate world and the idea of working in the art industry is just so amazing and absolutely terrifying! I am still at the stage of figuring out my style and medium. When are ready to make the leap? 😅

  • @TheAsarath
    @TheAsarath 25 дней назад +1

    Lorcana needs to allow artists to maintain the ability to sell the art. Magic: the Gathering offers the ability to sell prints of the art and it is highly successful for the artists, you see many artists showing up to sign and sell prints and their signatures at every large Magic event. Not saying they are perfect and they have a lot of other issues but Lorcana could do well to attract the best talent by offering that option.

  • @jamesloymartin
    @jamesloymartin Месяц назад +1

    What?!
    Going to rethink my career after watching this.

  • @ZorgyBabyVR
    @ZorgyBabyVR 18 дней назад

    hah funny, stumbled upon your video pretty randomly, Turns out I went to anime boston this year too haha and I totally remember seeing the "fish bag" haha Nice video and cool art work!

  • @dj10schannel
    @dj10schannel 21 день назад

    👍 good vid

  • @totallycarbon2106
    @totallycarbon2106 Месяц назад +1

    Would love to hear the experiences of people working as artists in the UK and Europe - I think the market is likely very different, smaller, and more fragmented - with cons being less frequent and harder (expensive) to attend.
    But equally where I live in Nottingham there does seem to be a local independent art scene, so I should probably talk to them!

    • @artofrengin
      @artofrengin 29 дней назад

      I mostly work with clients from the US - both commercial and private clients have lower budgets in the EU that don't really match my rates.
      I'd say that the market for conventions in the EU is very different as well. Prints don't sell as well (some theories say that's because we have smaller houses so less wall space to put it up) and other products like totes, stickers, pouches, mugs etc. have a lower profit margin. There are people who do well at cons and basically do it full time, but afaik they aren't earning an income close to US artists from conventions.
      That being said, that doesn't mean that you can't access the US market from the EU. Patreon/Kickstarter and other online sales avenues are a good way to do that, but would probably require something different from selling just prints.

  • @ruy_u
    @ruy_u 14 часов назад +1

    Checked his store, kind of funny to see carp from Pokemon as a backpack. If you want to steal designs and then say they sell more without mentioning it then yeah.

  • @cgjoh
    @cgjoh 23 дня назад

    its a dance between resume, income needs, and desire. balance em out and you'll do fine. but thats also the hard part XD

  • @yamchayaku
    @yamchayaku 7 дней назад +1

    have a friend who makes kink art. It's not p**n, but it's more like risque pin up girl art. He's no Master painter, and nowhere near as good as Inkwell but he makes a killing in commissions. He charges 200-300 for a single character drawing, in which he can probably finish in about an hour. The audience he caters to are pretty loaded and obviously likes his work. The people commissioning him aren't even using those drawings for commercial purposes either, lol

  • @laoup26
    @laoup26 Месяц назад

    I'm not artist, but it was a really interesting insight on this industry 😮

  • @luciethart
    @luciethart Месяц назад +4

    I am not making most of my money through art at this point, and it's with videos like this where I can't help but wonder; is it an American thing?
    For some context, I live in Denmark. Small country with a pretty good economy smacked in the middle of central Europe, high taxes and not a great general view/value placed on the liberal arts (except music, apparently). With a small population of people living in Denmark, it would be necessary to travel to events around Europe (Netherlands, France and Germany are good bets). But would an online shop paired with in-person sales even work to keep me afloat?
    I'm asking anyone who has experiences with this kind of lifestyle because I am almost at my wits end when it comes to making art my only income. I know it's fine that it's not even my main income, but I want it to be. Realistically I only need to make 2000-2500 (USD or EURO it doesn't matter) per month, which is what I'm living off rn but pay-wise I would have more money if I put in 37hours a week into a normal labour job. Making 3k a month would mean I could save up and afford going to the dentist 😬and based on videos like this I always get the impression it's "not that hard" but shipping world wide through online sales or playing more local (EU) markets, doesn't seem feasible?
    Perhaps I have to wait until I "make it" and get to work for big clients before anyone cares, but I feel like it's an impossible risk to take when already riding the pay-check to pay-check life style.

    • @KuroSy
      @KuroSy Месяц назад +2

      I share your perplexity. In my (eu) country i would see any etsy income almost halved by taxes. No clues how it works in other places.
      I had a quite famous friend going around EU conventions earning a few K per event but with her whole stuff, not just 1 print. I'm also very surprised that prints actually sell that much. People in EU seem to be more keen on buying other stuff like pins. These numbers are so out of my direct experience that i just wonder if we're missing some basic info xDD

    • @DaimonTrilogy
      @DaimonTrilogy 27 дней назад +1

      What baffles me, and I mean this with honesty, that there is even a market for this.
      His art seems detailed and has its charm, but enough charm to get sold for such high prices?
      Especially when I think about the art being used in a card game, that small piece which would be overlooked by 99% of the people playing this game, since most is bound to the ruleset, not the artwork.
      Well, I am happy for this artist, but something like this is very unusual for me to see (also EU here).

    • @nobody-xh6ii
      @nobody-xh6ii 6 дней назад

      As someone living in the US i tend to prefer commissioning artists for art pieces of OCs vs what the artist has to offer. Not that their 'current selling' pieces are bad [its not. I will still buy thinga like enamel pins and lanyards] but if i'm paying $50 for an art piece i rather put that $50 into a digital drawing for my OC

  • @alittleofsomething
    @alittleofsomething Месяц назад +3

    I think your art sells because it's legitimately good quality. I feel like I could never reach your level, meaning will be earning less than 2k per year. Not to say I don't enjoy drawing for other people, but everything has sure declined. Gotta struggle to git gud.

    • @DeadApe133
      @DeadApe133 Месяц назад +2

      Even his art wasn't always good! He just put a lot of years into getting better. You will get better too!

    • @alittleofsomething
      @alittleofsomething Месяц назад +1

      @@DeadApe133 I've been doing it since 2006 😭 and as a carreer from 2012

  • @Danile1t
    @Danile1t 28 дней назад

    Everyone don't worry if your art is bad just focus on the details while learning and try to creat your own ways to replecate the fundimentals and you may success if god blessed you ,
    Also more art styles= more money

  • @gumball1328
    @gumball1328 19 дней назад

    How would you recommend an animator go about selling their work since you can't print a video. Would it even be worth trying to sell the video or should he take stills and turn those into prints?

    • @guessig
      @guessig 18 дней назад +1

      you have a good point there, pal! let me introduce you to the world of **m e r c h a n d i s e **. i think if you were to freelance as an animator maybe do youtube and build a fanbase that would buy the merch

  • @AlexBrown-js2gx
    @AlexBrown-js2gx Месяц назад

    How do you go about making an online shop?

  • @lowbudgetmic
    @lowbudgetmic Месяц назад +1

    Professor Inkwell Art Business 😮💛

    • @Inkwell
      @Inkwell  Месяц назад

      It is the way 🦑

  • @Danile1t
    @Danile1t 28 дней назад

    Remember art is always about ideas, motivation, creativity and aspiration
    If someone whose art level is less than yours and are more famous or make more money
    It's nor relaint at all on the quality in the first place
    more money

  • @ALIHQG
    @ALIHQG Месяц назад

    As a person just starting out, i am not planning to make any art galleries at least not any time soon and instead i plan to make comics, i am currently in the process of improving my art to a degree where i can feel satisfied making the comics that i want, but in the meantime i decided to get out of my comfort zone a couple months back and posted my digital art online in order to force myself to do more digital art and improve in it, and i have made multiple accounts on different platforms to market myself, but idk where to go from here, how do i go about making a patreon and doing commissions and is that even lucrative enough?

  • @Sejikan
    @Sejikan Месяц назад

    How do you Apply this to voice acting?