I usually pull meta but jade is one of my favourite characters her design and current lore we know of is what got me to not skip her this is probably my only character that I didn’t pull for meta
The only reason I'm pulling for Jade is because I already completed the other metas, Break/DoT/Crit. Finally, I have some leeway to try FuA this time around.
Her multipliers are on par with every other unit. They have a standard value range for each type of targeting, ST, Blast and AoE. And just like Clara, she doubles it under certain conditions, Clara being double the skill multiplier against mark of counter and Jade being followups after ultimate cast. This means the self buffs are even more meaningful, especially if she's in a team comp that neglects her a bit much.
Genuinely surprised you didn't mention Himeko as a synergy with Jade. While I do think it requires more team building setup they work incredibly well together. Something like Himeko, Jade, Silver Wolf and either a Fire or Quantum sustain seems like a very solid team for general use.
ive never not gotten 60k minimum in PF, but i love her tons- definitely going for her. thank you as always for the guide, lis. and good luck everyone who's pulling!
At 7:50 you mentioned her being played as a sub damage dealer and struggle to get kills for Sigonia set. As far as I know you get stacks as long as enemies are being defeated, doesn't matter who gets the credit for it.
It's so refreshing to see Blade "receiving" a support for him, bro is just left in the corner while the other DPS receive gifts of Harmony 😭 Also great video Lisara!
Is RM, Sparkle, and Robin actually worse then putting Pela or Silverwolf in a Blade team, Let alone Bronya? 🤣 However Blade does deserve a support that gives him HP scaling buffs, However this makes it Look like Blade's Peformance hasn't improved at all with the Powerpuff girls.
I mean, Blade himself is regardless done for. Getting teammates would've been good if they buffed his own dmg output, instead of doing it themselves. While Jade does increase his follow-ups, his damage increase still comes nowhere near close to what's needed for comfortably clearing MoC or any other endgame mode. He takes too many cycles. What he needs is a HP buffer mainly, follow up increase is nice but less impactful. Essentially, a team that has blade will always do better without him by replacing him with a better unit and just be a lot more comfortable. Very sad to see this, because I love the character kit and personality a lot, but who knows when we'll get a dedicated HP buffer.
@@noahtheliberator Not necessarily the case. An alternate route to an HP buffer is a Furina type character that likes HP changes, or a character that sacrifices a characters' HP for damage/strong teamwide buffs. There's plenty of ways they can make him stronger, and they clearly know how to if you take a look at the different combat events that feature him occasionally. They're just refusing to do so.
@@dannylee1523Before they do that though they'd have to expand the hp scaling dps category more so that people would actually care because as it stands it's quite literally only blade
What I love about Jade and Blade's synergy is that Jade's buff makes it so that Blade's ult gives him a stack no matter when he uses it. There were instances where if Blade ults and is just slightly below 50% hp, not only does he not get a stack but the healing is very minimal. That's not a problem anymore for me with Jade.
i get her to E0S1 for now, only cost me 10K Jades. I really want to experiment with this kind of units outside PF not like i am gonna discover a "broken" secret tech but is always nice to craft teams off-meta
Such a shame that at E0S0 she's only really great at PF, I'd love to pull for her but idk how I feel getting a character that I'll only use once every 6 weeks (specially since my two main teams, DoT and FF, are great in all 3 endgame modes). The fact that the best PF character Herta is free as well doesn't help Jade at all, switching Himeko or Herta for Jade feels like such a small improvement when you compare it to other roles like going from Lynx to Aventurine or from QQ to Acheron. If by her next rerun they haven't released a better PF unit I might get her because I like her but as a F2P I can't see a reason to spend my Jades on her rn.
See funny you say that given how Himeko wants to go with Firefly now, ironically leaving Herta without a friend. How "convenient" that Jade is so good for her
I can Clear Pure FIction with my Stacked Harmony roster, + Himeko/Herta/Matching the PF buff shenanigans. However I do see Value in Jade as basically a AOE Topaz. Though I am less interested in Jade as a Character then I was in Topaz, I plan on Skipping Jade for Yunli, but I do Intend on getting her on her Rerun.
Hello. I play jade with herta. Currently my herta is at 104 speed. Should i try to make herta faster? If yes then what speed should i aim for in pure fiction?
Hi Dreamy, is the 90%+ crit rate at target stat (15:33) is really needed? Because currently my Jade only has 64.2% crit rate (76.2% when in combat because of the izumo set). Do you recommend to grind more relic in order to fulfill the target stat that you mentioned? Thanks!
I highly suggest because her missing some crits is a huge damage loss. Each time she misses a crit, you're basically not utilizing her massive CDMG stat.
@@LisaraScarlet Thanks for the reply. What do you think about running Jade with Fu Xuan to increase Jade's crit rate with Fu Xuan passive? This way, i can also increase my Herta's crit rate. If so, then my Jade's team will consist of Jade/Herta/Robin/Fu Xuan.
Is jade’s signature light cone good on any characters other than himeko and herta? I just got it and I want to know if there’s any other characters that can make good use of it
In PF, any Erudition could use it assuming you are aiming for 0-cycle since the buff would last for 2 turns w/o needing to basic attack. Aside from that, only Qingque reliably uses Jade's signature. Using a basic attack on other Eruditions is a waste of turn.
from what i remember from e6 showcases form my visions, her e6 does double the debt collector stacks at e6, wherein her basic against 3 enemies would give her 6 stacks, and her ult against 5 would be 10 stacks, etc
She needs to be more useful in damage even as a sub dps. Locking character mechanics behind an eidolon instead of including it in a trace is poor taste.
Been thinking of pulling her. I only have Herta with an okay build since I joined the game. I wanted to wait for Screwllum to make him the 1st Erudition I really use. But I'm having a hard time on PF lately.
If one is a fellow Erudition main (Like Lisara here) Jade is one of those really nice pulls especially if one despises Pure Fiction or anything AoE But if one has no stellar jades to spare (like me) then goodluck with her rerun instead or an early.
Question that wasn't answered. Will you step on us too? Jokes aside, great vid as always. Blade gets 2 charges per enhanced attack, really? If so, with Jingliu... this will be interesting
Thank you very much for your guide. Just wondering would Jade pair well with mono Quantum (Seele/QQ Gacha Queen), replacing Silver Wolf assuming the mobs have Quantum weakness. for fun purpose, not really meta
What your opinion on Gallager being the Debt Collector in a HyperCarry Setup ( sth like Jade, Bronya/Sparkle/other Harmony chars, Galleger)? With Jade's speed buff and the 3* LC, i think he can easily achive the pseudo 201 Spd status and goes 4 times per cycle.
If Jade is E1, it can be good. Otherwise, only Gallagher's ULT can really provide a lot of stacks which he gets in like 4 attacks, that's a bit long. You are better off with Pela since Pela would easily reach pseudo 200 speed with Jade's buff and Pela can do 2-turn ULT rotation with Tutorial LC.
How would she do in battle with Argenti thou? That guy is just AoE all around. Sure he cant do follow ups like Herta but wouldnt he be a good teammate for Jade?
can u make a herta guide. is s1 herta 4 star signature lc better than s5 eternal calculus? for me im more than fine tht she is only for pure fiction, i have black swan and sooon HOPEFULLY kafka for outside. i have the ipc team which is single target not blast but works fine and building clara with the others rn so having someone accel in pure fiction, from what i see her clears are a bit faster than jingyuan and argenti is very neat and she has very good synergy with herta. i cant do pf at all since no erudition accept herta and serval and i dont want to use serval lol so jade e0s1 will help me a ton :), her lc is also very flexible
Herta's signature LC is really really bad. Even the new F2P Erudition LC, Cosmos Fell is way better assuming you meet its conditions and upgraded it to S5. There are also a number of alternatives like Geniuses' Repose, Before Dawn, Milky Way, etc.
@@LisaraScarlet oh i thought its good since it fits herta really well. thx :). i have himeko lc and shouldi use it on herta or eternal calcullus s5 or s1 genius response
When you say the main DPS with Jade and Bronya needs to be 12 behind her, that means you should aim for 122 SPD before Jade buff? Ain't that a lot? And super hard to get with sub stats alone? My Blade basically has no SPD sub stats after more than 100 fuels spent on his dungeon, so what would be my best bet? SPD shoes? Or just very slow Blade? (99)
Yea, you're right it is still hard to reach. My brain derped and thought it should be easy cause of Ruan Mei but forgot that not everyone uses or have Ruan Mei.
@@LisaraScarlet so you're talking about 0 sustain team, with double dps double harmony? Guess it could work in PF if enemies don't get buffed damage wise (and obviously for people aiming for 0 cycle). (I think lots of people have RM now, but she's just required in every team, so still hard to pick)
What about her cone for other Erudition units? I failed to get a Before Dawn and while I do have an S4 Milky Way, it'd be nice to have something more consistent for MoC/dual Erudition teams.
It really really depends on what is happening in the fight and her team. I simply assumed that it reduced Jade's ULT rotation from 4 into 3. This technically means more stacks and more enhanced FUAs.
@@LisaraScarlet yes lol. I see, i guess I'm gonna get her, imo she's weaker and rely on herta(or any area dps). But fua is fun and most important, she gonna make blade great again (coping)
Crazy to think that Hoyoverse is locking the crit rates behind eidolons. I guess that explains how rigged upgrading the substats are. One reason why I went back as a F2P. I used to be a light spender but got tired of swiping my card.
Jade's surely great, but Idk. I want to go for Hypercarries like Jingliu, Blade, Dan Heng IL and Acheron. Which makes me wonder if she's gonna be worth it for me. I'm new to the Game but I got my Breakfly Team, and now i'm working on a Acheron Team with getting Jiaoqiu and Acheron next. So, any Suggestions?
@@bribriibribrii But, as for Blade I know he's not as good as he used to be, but still even without Jade a strong Unit. Especially, in a Double Hypercarry Team with Jingliu. Still, going for Jade might be not so bad, though. Considering that she's really good for FUA Teams that don't need Topaz.
@@LisaraScarlet Well, I got a List of Characters I want to pull for. And so far I got Loucha, Aventurine, Firefly, Ruan Mei, Himeko (lost the50-50 on Jingliu'sBanner) , Yanqing (Beginner Banner), Bailu (Standard Banner) Dr Ratio, Gallagher, Serval, Sampo, Pela, Tingyun, Hanya, Xueyi, Luka, Guinaifen, Misha, Arlan and the usual Cast by playing the Story. As for the Characters I want to pull here's my List. But, for the last 5 I might go for them for last. Huohuo Sparkle Black Swan Jiaoqiu Kafka Acheron Jingliu Dan Heng IL Fu Xuan Jade Boothill Blade Seele Robin
I kinda think Jade is a perfect character to not pull right now and wait for her rerun and see if there will be any cool synergies with future Erudition characters or they just powercreep her. From the start she... kinda not so flexible to be called 100% future proof (I mean, for casual player who don't min-max every single character).
Honestly Pure Fiction dps with err rope is something I don't see often. I think it does have a lot of potential, especially in teams that rely less on attack stats, like a break himeko/herta team?
How did you forget Himeko? Anyways I'm going to destroy PF and MoC with them both whenever I need a Quantum character. Finally I can use a full 5 star team.
Forget? You mean in the team setup and synergy? The first thing I mentioned is that she is synergistic with Erudition characters. Himeko is an Erudition, no?
Ah, so you just didn't give a specific mention to her instead you just said all Erudition. I understand. Firefly was kind of a wild mention I cannot lie though it threw me off.
i test sigonia planar it dont need to get lastshot to gain stack. only problem is i dont think it that useful on other content except PF anyway (and she destroy that anyway).
I wanted to go full power on her pulls but can only spare about 40 pulls on her, she deserves the e1 though. But i NEED Swan on her rerun for my Acheron/Kafka team so i have to skip… Extra shame since i love Jades design and i have the other ipc members D: On the rerun i’ll go all in i swear.
this is off topic but is there anyway for Firefly to go 4 actions in her ultimate form within 0 cycle? I'm running standard Firefly HMC RM gallagher. Firefly 166 spd and I'm running wheelchair s5 DDD ER rope watchmaker vonquac 158 spd HMC. I can't seem to 0 cycle 2 phase boss like argenti cause firefly wasn't fast enough without the help of the trotter which could be gone next MoC. Can you make an example video Firefly run 4 actions in ult with 1 s5 DDD. Thank you in advance
I think hsr is a strange game because of end game contents this game have a 3 or 4 diffrent modes this means you need 2 realy god team or 4 team set up to clear all contents for example dot is so good is good as genshin hyperbloom teams for almost all content or all but folow up eruidtion and the hunt characters have a less dmg out put but it realy good for multiple enimyes Meanwhile some characters have a high dmg per screen shot for example acheron firefly this things realy confusses pleayers brain example jade ratio topaz hit 100-200 k but acheron firefly hit 300-500 k this not means this characters weak all contents however weak then some contents ı think Team diversity Very important for example 1 dot 1 aoe maybe 1 or 2 more teams(a totaly 3-4) With characters that match synergy help you for all contents this is to hard and maybe ı am crazy and wrong but I'm really trying to do this
He wants too much suppport for himself I think, and people already have his teams set by now. Having two units with a lot of self buffs like blade/herta alongside her own makes more sense for the support coverage.
Definitely on the fence. ZZZ release and other things drained my wallet for this month but I'm pretty close to a guaranteed Jade. I love FuA's but in that regard, Yunli also looks very promising. I guess I could just hold off before the 2.4 livestream just in case they decide to release Yunli after Jiaoqiu.
What do you think about the potential of the new hunt March and e1 Jade? Assuming March is at e2, she can boost spd of both herself and Jade so may be Jade can use spd boots and arrange it so March moves before Jade (it is easy for both of them to reach 146 spd). At March e2 it can be something like this: March basic atk +3 charges, Jade basic atk +1 to 3 charges and then March follow-up +3 charges so in most cases Jade can also use follow-up right after that. This chain of actions can also give March 3 to 4 stacks of her talent which neeeds 7 stacks to activate. In short at 146 spd within the first cycle Jade can use follow-up twice while March can use enhanced basic atk once.
Lisara, i really need your advice for jade. Is jade more worth it than jiaoqiu??? I have acheron, but the only debuffer 5 star for her is blackswan so in the condition i need jiaoqiu for her. The only 5 star erudition i have is himeko, i also build her with herta too for pf. For now i have been a bit strugle sometimes in pf 4 but i always managed to get 3 star even if it so close enough. So i want jade also for make my pf more easier i think. Which one i need to pull jade or jiaoqiu??? Really need your opinion about it.
You don't really need jade since you can run herta/himeko and then Acheron on the other side. Jiaoqiu as of now, makes Acheron gain stacks like crazy in pf, which is also jade's niche. Hence getting jade will not greatly improve your pf performance.
Imo both are pretty useless right now. Acheron is already the strongest dps in the game you don't really need anything to support her just go pela and guinafen. For pf go with gepard with trends lc that's almost the same as having jiaoqiu
How is your pull economy and pity? you'll have a patch and a half worth of pulls for jiaoqiu even if you have 0 now. If you can't risk it at all there will always be reruns, but utility-wise Jiaoqiu is a better early pickup, Acheron or not. They will all be good assets for upcoming mechanics and enemies, you can't really go wrong with either just by knowing what your account needs.
@@ch1dd my pity is now 35 and have some ready pull around 30 pull for now with rate off. Thanks for the opinions. I will try hold my intuitive to not pull her for now i think. She is my waifu, but im broke because firefly and ruanmei.
Mhh what about Clara (and Yunli in the near future)? Their high follow-up rate should benefit Jade greatly, no? Not worth because they are not meant to 0-Cycle?
Unrelated to jade, but how do you build HMC, Gallagher and Ruan Mei for Firefly? HMC and ruan mei are on Watchmaker and Gallagher is on speed buff on ult set.
If you're referring to Messenger on Gallagher, that doesn't work. Messenger set requires you to buff a teammate, not attack enemies. Your other builds are fine.
Speed buff is only for ultimates that are used on allies iirc, so first thing you have to do is remove 2 pieces from gallagher because the 4 combo is not doing anything. Watchmaker doesn't stack but it's fine as is to use the characters separately or alternate ultimates.
My Jade at E0S1 with low Traces and bad Relics can still manage a 3-cycle MoC 12 clear (would have been 2 cycles if I had hit Aventurine's ult a second earlier): ruclips.net/video/H7nAOykkxZs/видео.html
kinda funny cause months ago before we even seen leaks of jades kit, people thought jade was going to be the unit to fully complete quantum as a 5 star
So currently she's the weakest limited we have. Seeing not tangible use outside of PF at E0S1. I'd go a step further to say that even her PF value is highly questionable outside of quantum weakness. I would not go for a unit that only sees value every 6 weeks. Look at how much Hoyo had to bend the conditional buffs for this rota of PF just to make Jade look good...as a support to Herta! Truly laughable! They even curated this weeks DU to be set up for Jade with that hyper specific weighted curio. This unit is not it, Hoyo. Shame on you. It's almost as if all her POW points were maxed out on external design, and nothing was left for a good kit. It boggles my mind.
i'm a reverse psychology kind of guy. nah i don't even care that much about jade but ppl telling me not to just kinda makes me want to get more invested lul
@@MrYamiBakura well everyone else is telling you to pull and simp for her. So it's millions telling you what to do and one guy telling you not to obey.
@@yaelz6043 yeah, i got her already since i was close to guaranteed anyways. now i'll have to gamble on yunli though. she'll definitely not be a total waste for my account seeing as i have blade on e6 and am otherwise invested in follow-up. tbf, it wouldn't even have become a question if the "satan expy" was a bishoujo or a loli.
Pepega moment on 4:50 I meant to say 25% ATK, not 50% ATK.
Is 4-pc Ashblazing still the best relic for other game modes? For example, Herta + Jade combo in Simulated Universe
@@josephoyek6574 YT didn't notify me of this reply. Quantum set should be better in SU.
I usually pull meta but jade is one of my favourite characters her design and current lore we know of is what got me to not skip her this is probably my only character that I didn’t pull for meta
Same
Same!
Pull for fun not meta it's better for your wallet 😂
Nice to see a guy who isn't ashamed to admit he plays for the meta. I respect that
@@romeoiiihidalgo9516 thanks but I’m not guy. I am girl
The only reason I'm pulling for Jade is because I already completed the other metas, Break/DoT/Crit. Finally, I have some leeway to try FuA this time around.
same
I think you meant Break/Dot/Hypercarry
@@johndoodIe2 you might as well add Summons to the pile
That Asta bounce not proccing the extra dmg was really unfortunate
I wish they gave her better multipliers instead of the massive self buffs
but then she'd survive the powercreep for a while longer, hoyo can't have that happen
Average Jingliu main Probably
It's so you don't need to buff Jade for her to do damage, it's a really smart thing to do to a sub dps
Her multipliers are on par with every other unit. They have a standard value range for each type of targeting, ST, Blast and AoE. And just like Clara, she doubles it under certain conditions, Clara being double the skill multiplier against mark of counter and Jade being followups after ultimate cast. This means the self buffs are even more meaningful, especially if she's in a team comp that neglects her a bit much.
Because she’s a sub/dual dps
You’re not gonna be playing her in hyper so she needs to buff her self. Also the multipliers are fine for AoE content
goated CC, love how indepth the analysis is
Genuinely surprised you didn't mention Himeko as a synergy with Jade. While I do think it requires more team building setup they work incredibly well together. Something like Himeko, Jade, Silver Wolf and either a Fire or Quantum sustain seems like a very solid team for general use.
its so werid they mention pela and black swan but not himeko lol. i was like something is missing
ive never not gotten 60k minimum in PF, but i love her tons- definitely going for her. thank you as always for the guide, lis. and good luck everyone who's pulling!
At 7:50 you mentioned her being played as a sub damage dealer and struggle to get kills for Sigonia set. As far as I know you get stacks as long as enemies are being defeated, doesn't matter who gets the credit for it.
Wait really? That is pretty nice. However, that still restricts her usefulness since that requires waves of enemies.
@@LisaraScarlet FWIW, you do NOT get stacks if the stage mechanics kill the enemy.
Sigonia set works well only in calyxes and pf for my argenti, not that I use him outside of that anyways...
It's so refreshing to see Blade "receiving" a support for him, bro is just left in the corner while the other DPS receive gifts of Harmony 😭 Also great video Lisara!
Is RM, Sparkle, and Robin actually worse then putting Pela or Silverwolf in a Blade team, Let alone Bronya? 🤣
However Blade does deserve a support that gives him HP scaling buffs, However this makes it Look like Blade's Peformance hasn't improved at all with the Powerpuff girls.
@@IdeasAreBulletproofyes, because those are for high dps unit different aspect from blade which is scaling dmg
I mean, Blade himself is regardless done for. Getting teammates would've been good if they buffed his own dmg output, instead of doing it themselves. While Jade does increase his follow-ups, his damage increase still comes nowhere near close to what's needed for comfortably clearing MoC or any other endgame mode. He takes too many cycles. What he needs is a HP buffer mainly, follow up increase is nice but less impactful. Essentially, a team that has blade will always do better without him by replacing him with a better unit and just be a lot more comfortable.
Very sad to see this, because I love the character kit and personality a lot, but who knows when we'll get a dedicated HP buffer.
@@noahtheliberator Not necessarily the case. An alternate route to an HP buffer is a Furina type character that likes HP changes, or a character that sacrifices a characters' HP for damage/strong teamwide buffs. There's plenty of ways they can make him stronger, and they clearly know how to if you take a look at the different combat events that feature him occasionally. They're just refusing to do so.
@@dannylee1523Before they do that though they'd have to expand the hp scaling dps category more so that people would actually care because as it stands it's quite literally only blade
What I love about Jade and Blade's synergy is that Jade's buff makes it so that Blade's ult gives him a stack no matter when he uses it. There were instances where if Blade ults and is just slightly below 50% hp, not only does he not get a stack but the healing is very minimal. That's not a problem anymore for me with Jade.
Always appreciated the wonderful guides, Lisara! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏❤️✨
i get her to E0S1 for now, only cost me 10K Jades. I really want to experiment with this kind of units outside PF not like i am gonna discover a "broken" secret tech but is always nice to craft teams off-meta
Nice guide Lisara, covered everything I needed to know. Thanks.
LOVE jade's design and personality so much. I pulled her e1 and signature so i can use her in all content
Lisara actually following the path of Erudition IRL
Such a shame that at E0S0 she's only really great at PF, I'd love to pull for her but idk how I feel getting a character that I'll only use once every 6 weeks (specially since my two main teams, DoT and FF, are great in all 3 endgame modes). The fact that the best PF character Herta is free as well doesn't help Jade at all, switching Himeko or Herta for Jade feels like such a small improvement when you compare it to other roles like going from Lynx to Aventurine or from QQ to Acheron. If by her next rerun they haven't released a better PF unit I might get her because I like her but as a F2P I can't see a reason to spend my Jades on her rn.
Yeah you're absolutely right. Either HSR is saying that Herta is actually a 5* or Jade is a pretty weak 5*
i pulled her cause mommy😂
@@rugma1696the only reason i am pulling jade is because the next patch is pretty stale and I don't have guaranteed
@@rugma1696 valid.
See funny you say that given how Himeko wants to go with Firefly now, ironically leaving Herta without a friend.
How "convenient" that Jade is so good for her
With her kit i guess Jade will excel against that giant eye boss
Man too bad i lost the 50-50 this time. Hoping i can still get her
I'm curious to see how you get her to work outside of PF, def looking forward to that vid.
I can Clear Pure FIction with my Stacked Harmony roster, + Himeko/Herta/Matching the PF buff shenanigans.
However I do see Value in Jade as basically a AOE Topaz. Though I am less interested in Jade as a Character then I was in Topaz, I plan on Skipping Jade for Yunli, but I do Intend on getting her on her Rerun.
Hello. I play jade with herta. Currently my herta is at 104 speed. Should i try to make herta faster? If yes then what speed should i aim for in pure fiction?
Herta doesn't need speed. If anything, she would want to sometimes swap to ER rope.
Hi Dreamy, is the 90%+ crit rate at target stat (15:33) is really needed? Because currently my Jade only has 64.2% crit rate (76.2% when in combat because of the izumo set). Do you recommend to grind more relic in order to fulfill the target stat that you mentioned? Thanks!
I highly suggest because her missing some crits is a huge damage loss. Each time she misses a crit, you're basically not utilizing her massive CDMG stat.
@@LisaraScarlet Thanks for the reply. What do you think about running Jade with Fu Xuan to increase Jade's crit rate with Fu Xuan passive? This way, i can also increase my Herta's crit rate. If so, then my Jade's team will consist of Jade/Herta/Robin/Fu Xuan.
@@suikai2305 Yea, that's fine.
must collect all quantum characters
Is jade’s signature light cone good on any characters other than himeko and herta? I just got it and I want to know if there’s any other characters that can make good use of it
In PF, any Erudition could use it assuming you are aiming for 0-cycle since the buff would last for 2 turns w/o needing to basic attack. Aside from that, only Qingque reliably uses Jade's signature. Using a basic attack on other Eruditions is a waste of turn.
@@LisaraScarlet wait her light cone requires basic attacks to keep the def ignore active? I never knew that, thanks!
Btw, I’d love to know which light cone works better on himeko? Is it jing yuan sig or jade sig?
@@MXDNIGHT__ Jing Yuan's more reliable but again, if you can 0-cycle, Jade's is better.
Looking forward to your Jade runs!
What should the debt collector speed be in a team with sparkle?
1 speed above Sparkle.
A showcase session showing how to use a basic team with her would be cool.
from what i remember from e6 showcases form my visions, her e6 does double the debt collector stacks at e6, wherein her basic against 3 enemies would give her 6 stacks, and her ult against 5 would be 10 stacks, etc
That already happens if she is the Debt Collector w/o E6.
This is simply because she just gives herself the skill buff when casting it on allies.
What about Jade replacing Tingyun in Jing Yuan hyper carry team with Sparkle?
No...
In PF, it should be fine. Anywhere else? Probably gonna give bad results.
She needs to be more useful in damage even as a sub dps. Locking character mechanics behind an eidolon instead of including it in a trace is poor taste.
damn i pulled but bailu said otherwise, im not pulling anymore since gepard also jumpscared me on ruan mei
ill just save for huohuo and jiaoqiu😔
Been thinking of pulling her. I only have Herta with an okay build since I joined the game. I wanted to wait for Screwllum to make him the 1st Erudition I really use. But I'm having a hard time on PF lately.
Jade x Herta x Himeko cracked.
Hello? Someone is about to make the ultimate weapon of destruction here.
If one is a fellow Erudition main (Like Lisara here) Jade is one of those really nice pulls especially if one despises Pure Fiction or anything AoE
But if one has no stellar jades to spare (like me) then goodluck with her rerun instead or an early.
Do the calcs for the genius set assume quantum weak enemies?
Always.
I can't skip those legs
Can Jade work with a DPS Robin + speedy supports? Or do her attacks during Ultimate don't count for stacks
Robin's additional attacks do not count.
I don't have himeko or blade can she work with Clara
Clara is a huge hit or miss depending on the stage. Sometimes she could be good, most cases = bad.
YAY Lis guide pog
Question that wasn't answered. Will you step on us too?
Jokes aside, great vid as always. Blade gets 2 charges per enhanced attack, really? If so, with Jingliu... this will be interesting
Thank you very much for your guide. Just wondering would Jade pair well with mono Quantum (Seele/QQ Gacha Queen), replacing Silver Wolf assuming the mobs have Quantum weakness. for fun purpose, not really meta
If you are lucky with the Gremlin's FUA procs, she could be good with Jade. Others would require Jade to be E1.
What your opinion on Gallager being the Debt Collector in a HyperCarry Setup ( sth like Jade, Bronya/Sparkle/other Harmony chars, Galleger)?
With Jade's speed buff and the 3* LC, i think he can easily achive the pseudo 201 Spd status and goes 4 times per cycle.
If Jade is E1, it can be good. Otherwise, only Gallagher's ULT can really provide a lot of stacks which he gets in like 4 attacks, that's a bit long. You are better off with Pela since Pela would easily reach pseudo 200 speed with Jade's buff and Pela can do 2-turn ULT rotation with Tutorial LC.
How would she do in battle with Argenti thou?
That guy is just AoE all around. Sure he cant do follow ups like Herta but wouldnt he be a good teammate for Jade?
Should be good especially if you can utilize their elements at the same time. Thief Argenti is just crazy at doing AOEs.
@@LisaraScarletAwesome! Even more reason to pull for Jade then!
can u make a herta guide. is s1 herta 4 star signature lc better than s5 eternal calculus? for me im more than fine tht she is only for pure fiction, i have black swan and sooon HOPEFULLY kafka for outside. i have the ipc team which is single target not blast but works fine and building clara with the others rn so having someone accel in pure fiction, from what i see her clears are a bit faster than jingyuan and argenti is very neat and she has very good synergy with herta. i cant do pf at all since no erudition accept herta and serval and i dont want to use serval lol so jade e0s1 will help me a ton :), her lc is also very flexible
Herta's signature LC is really really bad. Even the new F2P Erudition LC, Cosmos Fell is way better assuming you meet its conditions and upgraded it to S5. There are also a number of alternatives like Geniuses' Repose, Before Dawn, Milky Way, etc.
@@LisaraScarlet oh i thought its good since it fits herta really well. thx :). i have himeko lc and shouldi use it on herta or eternal calcullus s5 or s1 genius response
When you say the main DPS with Jade and Bronya needs to be 12 behind her, that means you should aim for 122 SPD before Jade buff? Ain't that a lot? And super hard to get with sub stats alone?
My Blade basically has no SPD sub stats after more than 100 fuels spent on his dungeon, so what would be my best bet? SPD shoes? Or just very slow Blade? (99)
Yea, you're right it is still hard to reach. My brain derped and thought it should be easy cause of Ruan Mei but forgot that not everyone uses or have Ruan Mei.
@@LisaraScarlet so you're talking about 0 sustain team, with double dps double harmony? Guess it could work in PF if enemies don't get buffed damage wise (and obviously for people aiming for 0 cycle).
(I think lots of people have RM now, but she's just required in every team, so still hard to pick)
Jade gonna rock those Stellar Jades
if jade with herta, who should use LC geniuses repose, jade or herta? I only have one LC geniuses repose
She's cool, really cool, purple, snakes, just oof, but I'm saving for Feixiao. Probbably get Jade on rerun
What about her cone for other Erudition units? I failed to get a Before Dawn and while I do have an S4 Milky Way, it'd be nice to have something more consistent for MoC/dual Erudition teams.
Could be decent with Qingque I think.
Is Jades LC good for Himeko or should I get JY's
Jade's LC could've been really good if not for that basic attack requirement.
I’m so happy I won the 50/50 and early! Looking forward to your showcase of her so I can see if I should pursue her lc
Can you tell the difference between the rotation of ATK & ER Rope
It really really depends on what is happening in the fight and her team. I simply assumed that it reduced Jade's ULT rotation from 4 into 3. This technically means more stacks and more enhanced FUAs.
So who is better for pf between the two.
Are you referring to Argenti as the other one? Both are extremely good at PF. I wouldn't say one is better than the other.
@@LisaraScarlet yes lol. I see, i guess I'm gonna get her, imo she's weaker and rely on herta(or any area dps). But fua is fun and most important, she gonna make blade great again (coping)
I mean, they both are able to 0 cycle PF 4, so I’d rank them on the same level
Crazy to think that Hoyoverse is locking the crit rates behind eidolons. I guess that explains how rigged upgrading the substats are. One reason why I went back as a F2P. I used to be a light spender but got tired of swiping my card.
I got her ❤❤❤❤
And her e1
I have Himeko lc but still gonna pull for her lc
My team
Blade
Bronya
Luocha
Jade
Awesome lineup
u gonna use that quid quo pro gallagher to 0 cycle moc 12?
I think it's hard to 0-cycle current MOC with Jade especially if not E1.
sigonia buff gets stuck even if enemies are killed by other characters
Jade's surely great, but Idk. I want to go for Hypercarries like Jingliu, Blade, Dan Heng IL and Acheron. Which makes me wonder if she's gonna be worth it for me. I'm new to the Game but I got my Breakfly Team, and now i'm working on a Acheron Team with getting Jiaoqiu and Acheron next. So, any Suggestions?
Jade is not really needed
@@bribriibribrii But, as for Blade I know he's not as good as he used to be, but still even without Jade a strong Unit. Especially, in a Double Hypercarry Team with Jingliu. Still, going for Jade might be not so bad, though. Considering that she's really good for FUA Teams that don't need Topaz.
Jade is way harder to work outside of PF but I will definitely try to do it. Otherwise, Xueyi/Seele is still goated as Quantum hypercarry.
@@LisaraScarlet Well, I got a List of Characters I want to pull for. And so far I got Loucha, Aventurine, Firefly, Ruan Mei, Himeko (lost the50-50 on Jingliu'sBanner) , Yanqing (Beginner Banner), Bailu (Standard Banner) Dr Ratio, Gallagher, Serval, Sampo, Pela, Tingyun, Hanya, Xueyi, Luka, Guinaifen, Misha, Arlan and the usual Cast by playing the Story. As for the Characters I want to pull here's my List. But, for the last 5 I might go for them for last.
Huohuo
Sparkle
Black Swan
Jiaoqiu
Kafka
Acheron
Jingliu
Dan Heng IL
Fu Xuan
Jade
Boothill
Blade
Seele
Robin
4:50 Shouldn't it be 25% ATK increase at max stack? 0.5% ATK * 50 stacks = 25% ATK
Made a pinned comment regarding this mistake! Sorry about that.
I kinda think Jade is a perfect character to not pull right now and wait for her rerun and see if there will be any cool synergies with future Erudition characters or they just powercreep her. From the start she... kinda not so flexible to be called 100% future proof (I mean, for casual player who don't min-max every single character).
Honestly Pure Fiction dps with err rope is something I don't see often. I think it does have a lot of potential, especially in teams that rely less on attack stats, like a break himeko/herta team?
H & H needs ATK because their multipliers are not so huge and didn't have significant auto buffs
Pure Fiction will become harder from now on for each Erudition character release. Hopefully it will still be possible to 80k without her.
You only need 60k Points. Lul
i mean, so far all mob enemies with quantum weakness have either ice or fire weakness so himeherta can still do the magic.
How did you forget Himeko? Anyways I'm going to destroy PF and MoC with them both whenever I need a Quantum character. Finally I can use a full 5 star team.
Forget? You mean in the team setup and synergy? The first thing I mentioned is that she is synergistic with Erudition characters. Himeko is an Erudition, no?
Ah, so you just didn't give a specific mention to her instead you just said all Erudition. I understand. Firefly was kind of a wild mention I cannot lie though it threw me off.
Will she work with birth of self lc?
Decent.
i test sigonia planar it dont need to get lastshot to gain stack. only problem is i dont think it that useful on other content except PF anyway (and she destroy that anyway).
Yea, I got corrected on this. Same problem though, limited to PF.
is seele and jade viable
If Jade is E1, sure.
I wanted to go full power on her pulls but can only spare about 40 pulls on her, she deserves the e1 though.
But i NEED Swan on her rerun for my Acheron/Kafka team so i have to skip…
Extra shame since i love Jades design and i have the other ipc members D:
On the rerun i’ll go all in i swear.
this is off topic but is there anyway for Firefly to go 4 actions in her ultimate form within 0 cycle? I'm running standard Firefly HMC RM gallagher. Firefly 166 spd and I'm running wheelchair s5 DDD ER rope watchmaker vonquac 158 spd HMC. I can't seem to 0 cycle 2 phase boss like argenti cause firefly wasn't fast enough without the help of the trotter which could be gone next MoC. Can you make an example video Firefly run 4 actions in ult with 1 s5 DDD. Thank you in advance
If she reaches pseudo 280 speed, yes.
I think hsr is a strange game because of end game contents this game have a 3 or 4 diffrent modes this means you need 2 realy god team or 4 team set up to clear all contents for example dot is so good is good as genshin hyperbloom teams for almost all content or all but folow up eruidtion and the hunt characters have a less dmg out put but it realy good for multiple enimyes Meanwhile some characters have a high dmg per screen shot for example acheron firefly this things realy confusses pleayers brain example jade ratio topaz hit 100-200 k but acheron firefly hit 300-500 k this not means this characters weak all contents however weak then some contents ı think Team diversity Very important for example 1 dot 1 aoe maybe 1 or 2 more teams(a totaly 3-4) With characters that match synergy help you for all contents this is to hard and maybe ı am crazy and wrong but I'm really trying to do this
It's such a pain that yunli is right after her, i might have to skip jade because of that :((
100 pulls in and only got E1 Himeko. I guess Hoyo wants me to skip her and keep pulling meta characters 😅
I'm surprised you didn't mention Jing yuan as her best team since his skill, ult and fua is also aoe
I mentioned in the team synergy that Jade is basically synergistic with all Eruditions. Even Qingque because her FUA basically doubles her blast hits.
He wants too much suppport for himself I think, and people already have his teams set by now. Having two units with a lot of self buffs like blade/herta alongside her own makes more sense for the support coverage.
DREAMY ❤
me: doesnt wanna pull jade because she's only a pf unit
also me only struggling on pf:
*clown emojis*
Definitely on the fence. ZZZ release and other things drained my wallet for this month but I'm pretty close to a guaranteed Jade. I love FuA's but in that regard, Yunli also looks very promising. I guess I could just hold off before the 2.4 livestream just in case they decide to release Yunli after Jiaoqiu.
Jade is one of the hottest characters tbh.
Seele screaming behind
What do you think about the potential of the new hunt March and e1 Jade? Assuming March is at e2, she can boost spd of both herself and Jade so may be Jade can use spd boots and arrange it so March moves before Jade (it is easy for both of them to reach 146 spd). At March e2 it can be something like this: March basic atk +3 charges, Jade basic atk +1 to 3 charges and then March follow-up +3 charges so in most cases Jade can also use follow-up right after that. This chain of actions can also give March 3 to 4 stacks of her talent which neeeds 7 stacks to activate. In short at 146 spd within the first cycle Jade can use follow-up twice while March can use enhanced basic atk once.
I cannot discuss leaks as a HoyoCreator.
Lisara, i really need your advice for jade.
Is jade more worth it than jiaoqiu???
I have acheron, but the only debuffer 5 star for her is blackswan so in the condition i need jiaoqiu for her. The only 5 star erudition i have is himeko, i also build her with herta too for pf. For now i have been a bit strugle sometimes in pf 4 but i always managed to get 3 star even if it so close enough. So i want jade also for make my pf more easier i think.
Which one i need to pull jade or jiaoqiu???
Really need your opinion about it.
She doesn’t cover leaks
You don't really need jade since you can run herta/himeko and then Acheron on the other side. Jiaoqiu as of now, makes Acheron gain stacks like crazy in pf, which is also jade's niche. Hence getting jade will not greatly improve your pf performance.
Imo both are pretty useless right now. Acheron is already the strongest dps in the game you don't really need anything to support her just go pela and guinafen. For pf go with gepard with trends lc that's almost the same as having jiaoqiu
How is your pull economy and pity? you'll have a patch and a half worth of pulls for jiaoqiu even if you have 0 now. If you can't risk it at all there will always be reruns, but utility-wise Jiaoqiu is a better early pickup, Acheron or not. They will all be good assets for upcoming mechanics and enemies, you can't really go wrong with either just by knowing what your account needs.
@@ch1dd my pity is now 35 and have some ready pull around 30 pull for now with rate off.
Thanks for the opinions. I will try hold my intuitive to not pull her for now i think. She is my waifu, but im broke because firefly and ruanmei.
Boothill is in shambles kekw
s/
Her multiplier and kit make her mid as f aside pure fiction e0s0
Skipable for f2p, not for mommys collector
Mhh what about Clara (and Yunli in the near future)? Their high follow-up rate should benefit Jade greatly, no? Not worth because they are not meant to 0-Cycle?
Clara is a huge hit or miss depending on the stage. As for Yunli, I don't discuss leaks as a HoyoCreator. Else, Hoyo will bonk me.
@@LisaraScarlet sorry, brainfart on my end >_<
I was sure something official was already mentioned about her
Unrelated to jade, but how do you build HMC, Gallagher and Ruan Mei for Firefly? HMC and ruan mei are on Watchmaker and Gallagher is on speed buff on ult set.
If you're referring to Messenger on Gallagher, that doesn't work. Messenger set requires you to buff a teammate, not attack enemies. Your other builds are fine.
Speed buff is only for ultimates that are used on allies iirc, so first thing you have to do is remove 2 pieces from gallagher because the 4 combo is not doing anything. Watchmaker doesn't stack but it's fine as is to use the characters separately or alternate ultimates.
@@LisaraScarlet Thanks, I wasn't sure how to build Gallagher specifically since his heal is reliant on trace lv
Support Comment
My Jade at E0S1 with low Traces and bad Relics can still manage a 3-cycle MoC 12 clear (would have been 2 cycles if I had hit Aventurine's ult a second earlier): ruclips.net/video/H7nAOykkxZs/видео.html
As someone who loves playing Quantum. You'd be happy to know that she's the most easiest skip of my fucking life
kinda funny cause months ago before we even seen leaks of jades kit, people thought jade was going to be the unit to fully complete quantum as a 5 star
it was already completed with sparkle release
So currently she's the weakest limited we have. Seeing not tangible use outside of PF at E0S1.
I'd go a step further to say that even her PF value is highly questionable outside of quantum weakness. I would not go for a unit that only sees value every 6 weeks.
Look at how much Hoyo had to bend the conditional buffs for this rota of PF just to make Jade look good...as a support to Herta! Truly laughable!
They even curated this weeks DU to be set up for Jade with that hyper specific weighted curio.
This unit is not it, Hoyo. Shame on you. It's almost as if all her POW points were maxed out on external design, and nothing was left for a good kit. It boggles my mind.
I got notified at 20 seconds. Love the vids
Easiest skip of my life
Something is wrong with you.
@@gmdhao may I know what is wrong with me, I would like to fix it
wisest decision haha, much as i like her, the reality is that she is way below average , either way i will be getting her though.
@@gmdhaoevery account is different and every user has preferences
Do not simp for this Satan expy brothers and sisters! Pull for good guy Argenti instead!
om
i'm a reverse psychology kind of guy. nah i don't even care that much about jade but ppl telling me not to just kinda makes me want to get more invested lul
@@MrYamiBakura well everyone else is telling you to pull and simp for her. So it's millions telling you what to do and one guy telling you not to obey.
@@yaelz6043 yeah, i got her already since i was close to guaranteed anyways. now i'll have to gamble on yunli though. she'll definitely not be a total waste for my account seeing as i have blade on e6 and am otherwise invested in follow-up.
tbf, it wouldn't even have become a question if the "satan expy" was a bishoujo or a loli.
first
Wtf is this horrible AI
or edited voice over.