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43:34 One of the most interesting things about Paul is that he is not in any way an every man like many main characters his age in sci-fi. He's not Luke Skywalker, a farm boy who had to get training from multiple wise masters and even then loses in his first real fight. Paul has been trained by the best warriors, the best statesman, the best tacticians, the best strategists, and by his mother who is part of a secret order of women who can control the very chemical processes of their body, since he was old enough to walk. Paul in many ways is a pinnacle of brains and brawn mixed with 10,000 years of eugenics to create someone with power beyond our understanding.
I don't even know if you need to say arguably. It's verifiable that a significant number of major Sci-fi authors and filmmakers have named Dune and an influence for their work, just as many did for Lord of the Rings with fantasy.
I’m so happy you said that Pauls visions are changing 😊 Most reviewers only say he can see the future. Even the Reverend Mother asked “Do you often see things that happen?” And he said “Not exactly.” He is doubting himself, but the Benegeserrit spread these myths before they arrived. Even Chani said he doesn’t believe the prophecy. I really enjoyed your review 😊 Waiting for Part Two.
Isn't it more that the visions aren't to be taken to the letter, for instance the Jamis vision was true but not in the way in the way it first appeared.
@@znk0rno, that’s not how his powers work. He’s seeing many different possible futures, and he uses the information gleaned from those to set in motion a certain future. He can’t see things always exactly as they will happen, but there’s no metaphors or anything like that involved.
@@Jabberwocky415 realistically if he has a decade to master his abilities he could make them come true the way he envisions him. In fact if he mastered his abilities he could control the outcome even further. It's entirely possible that he would be able to mix and match different possibilities
Might be the best reaction I've seen from anyone not familiar with the books. You grasped everything so easily! Very pleasant to watch someone with both media literacy and emotional intelligence!
@@LauraGS564 it is. That's confirmed since the very first moment they get to the planet, it's talked about multiple times and it's one of the biggest plot points in the saga. The prophecy was fabricated through the centuries to control people, that's why it's huge that Paul ends up taking the title of their messiahs, bc he's aware that he isn't it, that it doesn't even exist, but he takes advantage of it to make people follow him and through that gaining the control he needs to do what he wants to do. That's also why Chani asks him to not take power under the title of the messiahs, bc she notices it is fake and simply a way to slave them, meaning that if someone takes that title and leads her people through it, they're taking advantage from them for goals that aren't theirs, making them live and die for someone they don't need to and just want to bc of lies. Paul is not a bad guy (he doesn't want to slave people, he takes the title bc he needs to, and after resisting the necessity for a long time bc of knowing the pain he'll cause), but he's also not a saint (he does horrible things regardless), this is why he's very well known as an anti-hero, not a hero. You can dislike that or not notice it so want to deny it, but this is still confirmed (movies, books, the author), so it's a fact, not an opinion.
43:35 The Atreides are especially well-respected warriors and hand-to-hand combatants, and Paul, as the Duke's son, received top-notch training and instruction, both from Gurney, an exceptionally skilled swordsman himself, and from Duncan, a Swordmaster (one of the most skilled combatants in the setting). So, yeah, Paul is a good fighter. Like, REALLY good. Probably one of the best in the setting. Also, 36:20, The Baron was able to survive the poison because his levitation harness floated him above the gas cloud.
Also, the Baron turned on his shield before the Duke released the poison gas. His shield slowed down the gas entering his personal space, so he didn’t get a full hit of it. The unshielded Harkonnen were not so lucky.
on top of that he was also trained by his mother in the fighting methods of the Bene Gesserit who are actually the greatest warriors in the known universe. he is particularly good n the prana bindu nerve control techniques of the BG, stated to be better than his mother by his own mother(these techniques make them literal super human, they can control ever muscle fiber in their body, so that when they hit they hit with super human strength, or move so fast they look like they are teleporting)
@JohnDoe-oh8jd they weren't trying to spell it correctly. they were trying to type it in a way they could read phonetically. So absolutely pointless attempt at trying to correct them.
4:49 putting this line in the trailer was so smart. I got interested in this movie entirely because of wholesome Oscar Isaac (and having 2049’s director).
42:53, Jason Momoa's son Nakoa-Wolf takes fight training in kali. Mamoa says the knife salute that Paul and Duncan do before going into battle is something that he has seen his son do. So Mamoa put it into the movie as a shoutout to his son.
Paul is trained by his bene Geserit mother to master some abilities. But he has other teachers. He's trained to be a mentat, a human computer because there is no AI. It's forbidden since the buttlerian jihad 10000 years early. When he's seeing Jamis as friend, it's one of many possibilities.
The book was amazing. Im currently halfway through Messiah but the first book covers the first and second movie of Denis Villenueve’s adaptation. He truly gave this book the best adaptation to film.
For context, the Harkonnens and the Atriedes have a deadly inter-family feud that spans generations. They have been fighting with each other for hundreds of years, but the Atriedes taking over Arrakis from the Harkonnens was the casus belli for open warfare between the two houses. The fact that the takeover of Dune was commanded by the Emperor even while the Emperor was secretly giving military aid to the Harkonnens to tip the scales in the Baron's favor heavily implies that the order for the Atriedes to take over Dune was a ruse. As Baron Vladimir Harkonnen said: "When is a gift not a gift?"
there is more to that Atraides where gaining to much power among the other houses. and Harkonnens to rich... the Emporer changed them a fortune for the extra troops and Spacing Guild charged even more to move all of them with out warning. 2 birds one stone, removes the Atraides from play and keeps the Harkonnens from rising in there place
Came here for the Dune reaction, subscribed for those two amazing reactors, cant wait to see you girls react to Dune part 2, that movie is on another level of cinematic experience. The baron activated his shield before leaning toward the duke which block most of the poison and the Emperor help the Arkonnen destroy the Atreides because de Duke was getting more popular among the other Great Houses and he felt his position was being threatened by that. Overall you catch almost everything. Great reaction!
In the books, Paul describes his visions as looking out over the desert. You can see the tops of the dunes (moments in time) but you cannot see what is between you and the dune and what paths you need to take until you get closer. You want to talk about world building, Frank Herbert didn't just world build he built an entire known universe. The politics and plots within plots in the Dune books make Game Of Thrones look like a high school squabble. I've read the first 5 books multiple times and I pick up something new each time I read them.
Tell me you've only watched Game of Thrones and didn't read the books without telling me. I love Dune but come on, the world of Ice and Fire is as deep and complex as Dune. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but keep it in the real world yeah?
@@earth2saka exactly. also ASOIAF biggest inspiration is Dune! Finishing the first Dune book and it's even less complex than Game of Thrones (the first ASOIAF book)
One thing I miss in these movies is the visions are pretty basic; would've gone _way harder_ on the parabolic imagery and abstraction. Low-key Dune: Prophecy does a better job with its vision sequences
36:26 Among the Dune lore, there is a saying among the Bene Gesserit: don't count anyone dead until you see the body, and even then, you can be mistaken. Sister Meesh of the Bene Gesserit.
Ok! Thought you guys had reacted to this before! But.... now I'm here so.... "Benedict-gism" alone is worth a rewatch 🤣🤣. Can't wait for Part II! It will ROCK your worlds! This film is epic... but part II is EPIC.
They didn't do a good job explaining but the Emperor didn't think he had a choice and actually liked Duke Leto. He had no sons but their was a male heir in both the Atreides and Harkonnen. Who were the next most powerful houses. If he had married a daughter to Paul the Harkonnen's would have rebelled and started a galactic war. If he married his daughter to the Harkonnen the Harkonnens would be ruthless and that would start a revolution. Either way there was going to be a galactic scale war. He thought ambushing and eliminating the Atreides and marrying a daughter to Harkonnen heir was the only path to avoid an all out war.
He wasn't that smart then...and it couldn't have been real love either because you don't kill who you love so decidedly. He could have married his daughter to Paul and united the Houses (who readily supported the Atreides already) againts the Harkonens if they rebelled. What could the Harkonens really achieve if the Emperor united with the Atreides? The Emperor could have easily removed them from Arrakis so they didn't use spice and it's production as leverage, give it to the Atreides and provide them help and defenses. He loved Leto so much he was jealous of his good standing with the other Great Houses and would rather kill him and his entire bloodline and give his daughter to Harkonens along with his rule (cause he gonna die some say) when they are renowned for being cruel and sadistic....yeah...that don't make much sense to me.
I loved both movies immensely, and yet still Part 1 walked so Part 2 could run. Can't wait for Part 2 reaction. You two are following such a good reaction path for your channel. Arcane was what brought me in, then bridging the rift, and now Dune? It's all my top 3 reaction searches. Throw Fallout in after and you basically Aced it.
I also went blind into this back when it came into the cinema the first time. I highly highly recommend since you watched it one time now, to watch it at least once more to get a full grip of the story and just pure beauty of this movie. When I watched Dune the first time I was totally overwhelmed :D
"How do they get produce"? Best reactor line to Dune. Btw, your video description says this movie is based on the 1984 movie. It is based on the books, not the previous movie.
I love how u guys read about the featured heroes after each cinematic. It’s a great add on to the reaction! And yes please watch the necrit videos! I know you’ve prolly seen still here a long time ago and just not posting it but necrit does a great lore video on it!
The harkonnens are following the emperor's orders which means that when he asked them to leave it was an order to put House of tradies and area that they did not know and would be easily executed given the right amount of forces. Which is why he sends his own army with the harkonnens the sadekar were all in white they're considered the baddest soldiers in the universe so giving a thousand of them to the baron was equivalent of him saying destroy House of Trades because they become too powerful another houses are beginning to sway in their side
Coming back to ask again that you watch Dune 2 while the characters are fresh on your mind. The first one just lays out the chessboard that the second movie plays upon. I have watched every reactor so far and I love your insights and comments.
Appreciate your guys reaction to this. Very open to new and interesting things, curious and respectful! I enjoyed this a lot and can’t wait for Part 2 🙌🏾 ⚡️ PS The fighting style is a Filipino knife style of fighting, Kali
The cool thing about the dreams are that they are very metaphorical. Chani is the one who leads him to his destiny so he sees her walking ahead and showing him the desert. To kill someone is to kill yourself so when she gives him the knife to kill jamis, she is also killing him. Jamis is teaching him the ways of the desert, which are harsh and cruel, and his first lesson is that there can be no mercy, only death. In killing jamis, paul dies but that can also be represented as jamis killing Paul.
Wow, You're both are so smart or at least perceptive, I watch a lot of reaction videos and specially Dune videos and yours by far has most intelligent points.
The intent behind getting the Harkonnens and Atreides to fight each other is to weaken both parties, but to stop the Atreides ascension and give the Harkonnens back what they want most, financial power. It allows him to strengthen his position (the Emperor's)while letting his rivals fight each other. Paul is a wildcard, The Harkonnens know this and don't care.
It's crazy seeing the difference in how teams spend money when making a film. Compare this to the new borderlands movie that just came out which cost over $110 million, the gap in quality of the final products is astronomical.
I would argue and people will agree, that the Dune series modernized Sci-fi. You look at sci-fi movies during the 60s, and then look at sci-fi movies in the 70s.
That was a great reaction. Can't wait for you to get into DUNE PART TWO. And yes, there is MUCH more Zendaya in that one. ;) And you still have so much mythology (and new characters) to dig into that I think you will like. Definitely picked the right time to watch the series. Enjoy.
Just discovered your channel and loving the reactions! Definitely look forward to ya'll watching Dune Pt 2! Also, not sure if you've already seen it, but I think both of you would love watching Everything Everywhere All At Once and it would make for a great reaction on the channel!
10191 ag after guild in the Dune Time line 38000 years. After Guild AG was actually like 6000 years after current time. My dates maybe off a bit. But 10191 is actually 16000 to 18000 years in the future.
Definitely watch Part 2 before you watch the old Dune film as that film covers events that happen in Part 2, and that way you won’t be spoiled. Personally, I think the old movie is atrocious. I remember falling in love with the books when I was pretty young, and when I finally watched the movie I was kind of like, “what in the ever loving fuck is this?!”. I think a lot of people like it for nostalgia, but to each their own. Also, the Baron says the emperor is a “jealous man”. The Atreides had been rising in popularity amongst the noble houses and the emperor sent them to Arakkis as a trap to wipe them out with the help of the Harkonens. These two movies are amazing. The second one is even better.
Dune has some insanely good story plots. The human race was barely wiped from existance when AI went to far, the humans won against the computers so that's why there are no computers in their day and age. They have mentats, people like the charachter of Tufir Hawat trained to calculate extremely fast. Interstellar travel without computer is only achievable by enhancing mentats capacity with the use of spice to calculate navigation in space. Paul has both the potential to be a mentat, and the ways of the voice taught in secret by his bene geserit mother, making him extremely powerful. The bene geserit have a grand design, by way of mariage and genetics to breed leaders who can ignore their animal nature and think with rationality. Not to spoil but Paul wasn't supposed to be this leader in their plan, they weren't finished mixing the families and genetic aptitudes yet. Also, this idea of missionaries who brought religious ideals and profecies to a colonized place to help their plans later in the futur is awesome. It's so evoking of the real world. The Bene Geserit planted the idea of a messiah in the culture of Arakis so that it would be easier to take control of it's people when the time was right to place someone fullfilling that self proclaimed profecy.
Frank Herbert started writing this in 1960,it was published in 1965 I first read it in1972. Way before. drones, Wi-Fi and way before anyone in the world realized how important the Middle East and it's oil was. There is the climate of Dune, 140 degrees average day. Now we live on a warming planet. Will our great grand children have to wear water saving suits too?
Great decision watching this, one of the most epic movies what can follow in the footsteps of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Altough if it is not a long strech, you could watch the original Dune from 1984, you will see a familiar face playing Paul :) Actually Star Wars took inspiration from the book of Frank Herbert, but Herbert's book made into a movie much later, since the first Star Wars was released in '77 while Dune in '84. The Dune movie was much more close to being an art film and true to the book than a scripted movie, plus the hype of the original Star Wars trilogy (A New Hope '77, The Empire Strikes Back '80 and the Return of the Jedi '83) overshadowed Dune ('84) and it could not reach a breaking point to be known as widely. I think it was a good decision by Herbert's heritage to reshoot this movie when Star Wars was fading in the Disney era and people started to miss the good old space fantasy.
The Trilogy would be: *_DUNE_* *_DUNE: Messiah_* *_Childern of DUNE_* The first book (DUNE) was just broken up into 2 parts. *_DUNE: Part 2_* is not n actual sequel. It is just the cinematic continuation of the first book. It triggers me so much that they didn't find another way to classify the second half of the first book.
The relatively book-faithful (but cash-poor) 2000 miniseries is much more important to fandom than the extremely compromised 1984 film. Watch the former after seeing Part 2 of this. Even if you don't react to it, just watch it for yourselves.
The original Dune book predates not only Star Wars but Star Trek as well. These movies from Denis Villenueve are based upon the Dune books and should NOT be considered a remake of the 1984 movie. The 1984 version by David Lynch is trippy and a hack job of the books. In 2000, the Syfy channel did a couple of tv miniseries based upon the first three Dune books. They were closer to the books than the 1984 movie. But they were plagued by low budget and costumes that were just bizarre. This movie is the first half of the first Dune book. The second movie that came out this year is the second half of that book. Final points, this story takes place over 20,000 years into our future. In that time Earth has been destroyed in a war against artificial intelligence. Because of the war, humanity has disavowed the use of highly advanced computers. So over the 10,000 or more years since that war, various human sects have been evolved and bred to superhuman levels of strength, stamina and mental abilities. That is why several people in this movie have abilities that are beyond the norm. Despite the Bene Gesserit (BG) being called witches, there is no such thing as magic. The BG are just women with highly advanced abilities. Paul is a male Bene Gesserit aka the Kwisatz Haderach.
its more than 20,000 years into the future. as the year zero-1 AG was in the year 13,000 AD/CE this is taking place in the year 10,191 AG 10,191 plus 13,000 is 23,191 so you are off by 3000 years
Heya love your videos, Id recommend reacting to the valorant cinematics, valorant is also from riot (the company behind league of legends) so you can expect the same level of polish. Also! You havent reacted to the newest League cinematic "Im still here"! Either way, keep up the hood work :3
9:45, hey don't talk about Paul's grandma like that. LOL. Not joking that's his mom's mother. I feel bad for Paul Atreides. My grandma gave me hugs and cookies. His grandma threatens to end him if he fails a mental test the first time they meet.
That grandma link was the invention of Frank Herbert’s son, Brian, and co-author Kevin Anderson. If Frank wanted Mohiam to be Jessica’s mother, he would have put it in one of the original six novels. As a Reverend Mother, Jessica has Other Memory which allows her to see the past and her ancestral lines. She knows who her secret father is and would also know who her secret mother is, after drinking the Water of Life. The fact that she never acknowledges a link to Mohiam, an important piece of information, means Frank never intended for them to be related. Contrast that to the revelation of who Jessica’s father is, discussed in the first novel. It’s just one of several things Brian and Kevin put in their mediocre sequels and prequels (cash grabs) that contradict the lore Frank established. Another contradiction is the Butlerian Jihad. Frank described it as a war between humans over AI. One group of people were fighting another group of people who were enslaving humanity with AI. It was not humanity vs intelligent robots, as depicted in The Terminator and Matrix movies. Brian and Kevin either misinterpreted or deliberately ignored what Frank wrote.
@@SunsetRogue you see, you can believe that all you want but that doesn't make it true. brian says his fathers notes mentioned the link and until proven otherwise that has to be ttaken as fact. not to mention brian owns the rights to the novels so he can dictate what is and isn't canon. not to mention you are putting too much faith in frank when dune was plagurized from the Sabres of Paradise
@@houseofaction You see, you can believe all you want that Brian based his writing off his father’s notes and outlines, but that doesn’t make it true UNTIL he provides evidence by publicly showing his father’s supposed notes and outlines for the planned 7th novel, which Brian has NEVER done. It would be quite easy for him to prove this. All he has to do is show Frank’s notes to some interviewer or writer. That he is invariably secretive about it indicates he is full of BS. He hasn’t shown them to legitimize his claims of being faithful to Frank’s vision because the notes don’t exist. It’s funny that you should defend Brian, who rides on the coattails of his father’s legacy. He doesn’t have a tenth of the creative talent Frank had and needs a co-author’s help. But he’s definitely made money off his father’s name, producing nearly 30 Dune books and short stories. Brian churning out mediocre crap year after year mirrors the oversaturated dreck Disney is milking out of the Star Wars franchise. Brian and Disney have a lot in common. The Sabres Of Paradise is a non-fiction historical book about a Muslim chieftain, Imam Shamil, who led his tribes against the forces of Imperial Russia. Frank Herbert, like many creative people, was inspired by stories, fictional or real, that came before him. Nothing is created in a vacuum. Lawrence Of Arabia, Asimov’s Foundation series, and A Princess Of Mars were likely inspirations for Dune, yet Dune is significantly different from them. Plus, tales of an oppressed group fighting against a richer, more powerful enemy didn’t start with The Sabres Of Paradise and didn’t end with Star Wars. This type of story has existed since the beginning of recorded history.
@@houseofaction Furthermore, you have a loose definition of plagiarism. Herbert did not plagiarize either The Sabres Of Paradise or Lawrence Of Arabia, especially since the plot of Dune and trajectory of his main character differ greatly from Imam Shamil’s and T.E. Lawrence’s stories. Also, did TSOP have gigantic sandworms and a hallucinogenic drug that granted prescience and an unnaturally long life? Did Lawrence become a ruling theocrat who could alter the future in advance, thanks to genetic breeding and Bene Gesserit training? NO. Unlike George Lucas (who directly copied Arrakis, sandworms, and God Emperor Leto II for Tatooine, greater Krayt dragons, and Jabba the Hutt with little alteration), Herbert made the effort to change his stories to be recognizably different, distinct from the sources of his inspiration. The futuristic feudal setting was a major change. The use of human computers (mentats) instead of intelligent robots was another change that differed from typical sci-fi of the time. The Fremen were inspired by Arabic and Bedouin culture and Herbert borrowed Arabic words for them, but they are not copies of Middle Eastern people. In many ways, the Fremen have a truly unique culture. Paul does not fit the hero’s journey of Shamil and Lawrence. He is a subversion of that trope. He’s a warning about following perceived heroes. No author or member of the publishing industry has ever filed a lawsuit against Frank Herbert for copyright infringement. In our litigious society, someone would have if there were any evidence. Herbert complained about Star Wars and once considered suing Lucas for copyright infringement, but eventually changed his mind because he was a literary author, not a money-grubbing filmmaker. Lucas, derivative as he is, is known for excessive lawsuits, accusing others of the same things he’s guilty of. Notably, Lesley Blanch, author of The Sabres Of Paradise, voiced no objections about Herbert or Dune. Blanch outlived him by 21 years and she never made one complaint about him even after he died. Instead, contemporary authors have praised Herbert for his worldbuilding and originality. Accusing him of plagiarism is such a stretch.
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@@fredkrissman6527alright buddy
Those 2 Dune movies are in total just one book. It has 6 books. So I expect far more than just a trilogy. xD
part 2 please 🙏
you haven't the choice, you must watch it. or suffer the consequences. LISAN AL GAIB!
43:34 One of the most interesting things about Paul is that he is not in any way an every man like many main characters his age in sci-fi. He's not Luke Skywalker, a farm boy who had to get training from multiple wise masters and even then loses in his first real fight.
Paul has been trained by the best warriors, the best statesman, the best tacticians, the best strategists, and by his mother who is part of a secret order of women who can control the very chemical processes of their body, since he was old enough to walk. Paul in many ways is a pinnacle of brains and brawn mixed with 10,000 years of eugenics to create someone with power beyond our understanding.
All that being said, it STILL doesn't make him the protagonist. It's such a cool story.
@@Hylebos75 Paul is quite literally the protagonist of Dune. Are you perhaps talking more about how he isn't neccessarily a good-guy/hero?
@@Hylebos75 by definition he is the protagonist, the protagonist of a story does not have to be good or bad
@@houseofaction You're right, that's quite true. I was reading too much into the pro- 😄
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Arguably, Dune is to Sci-fi what Lord of the Rings is to fantasy. Enjoy.
I don't even know if you need to say arguably. It's verifiable that a significant number of major Sci-fi authors and filmmakers have named Dune and an influence for their work, just as many did for Lord of the Rings with fantasy.
Foundation by Isaac Asimov has a great shout for that though.
@@JohnyAngelo not really, everything in dune is complete sci-fi none of the science is real
I’d back that statement up fs
Not even arguably it just is
I’m so happy you said that Pauls visions are changing 😊
Most reviewers only say he can see the future.
Even the Reverend Mother asked “Do you often see things that happen?”
And he said “Not exactly.”
He is doubting himself, but the Benegeserrit spread these myths before they arrived.
Even Chani said he doesn’t believe the prophecy.
I really enjoyed your review 😊
Waiting for Part Two.
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Isn't it more that the visions aren't to be taken to the letter, for instance the Jamis vision was true but not in the way in the way it first appeared.
@@znk0rno, that’s not how his powers work. He’s seeing many different possible futures, and he uses the information gleaned from those to set in motion a certain future. He can’t see things always exactly as they will happen, but there’s no metaphors or anything like that involved.
@@Jabberwocky415 realistically if he has a decade to master his abilities he could make them come true the way he envisions him. In fact if he mastered his abilities he could control the outcome even further. It's entirely possible that he would be able to mix and match different possibilities
Might be the best reaction I've seen from anyone not familiar with the books. You grasped everything so easily! Very pleasant to watch someone with both media literacy and emotional intelligence!
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didn't they completely miss when it was said that the prophecy is fake?
@@jrlombardi5251 the prophecy is not fake
@@LauraGS564 it is. That's confirmed since the very first moment they get to the planet, it's talked about multiple times and it's one of the biggest plot points in the saga. The prophecy was fabricated through the centuries to control people, that's why it's huge that Paul ends up taking the title of their messiahs, bc he's aware that he isn't it, that it doesn't even exist, but he takes advantage of it to make people follow him and through that gaining the control he needs to do what he wants to do. That's also why Chani asks him to not take power under the title of the messiahs, bc she notices it is fake and simply a way to slave them, meaning that if someone takes that title and leads her people through it, they're taking advantage from them for goals that aren't theirs, making them live and die for someone they don't need to and just want to bc of lies.
Paul is not a bad guy (he doesn't want to slave people, he takes the title bc he needs to, and after resisting the necessity for a long time bc of knowing the pain he'll cause), but he's also not a saint (he does horrible things regardless), this is why he's very well known as an anti-hero, not a hero. You can dislike that or not notice it so want to deny it, but this is still confirmed (movies, books, the author), so it's a fact, not an opinion.
Yeah, I'll second that. You both have smart heads and open hearts.
The shields stop fast moving attacks like bullets so slower things like blades are the preferred weapon.
43:35 The Atreides are especially well-respected warriors and hand-to-hand combatants, and Paul, as the Duke's son, received top-notch training and instruction, both from Gurney, an exceptionally skilled swordsman himself, and from Duncan, a Swordmaster (one of the most skilled combatants in the setting). So, yeah, Paul is a good fighter. Like, REALLY good. Probably one of the best in the setting.
Also, 36:20, The Baron was able to survive the poison because his levitation harness floated him above the gas cloud.
Also, the Baron turned on his shield before the Duke released the poison gas. His shield slowed down the gas entering his personal space, so he didn’t get a full hit of it. The unshielded Harkonnen were not so lucky.
on top of that he was also trained by his mother in the fighting methods of the Bene Gesserit who are actually the greatest warriors in the known universe. he is particularly good n the prana bindu nerve control techniques of the BG, stated to be better than his mother by his own mother(these techniques make them literal super human, they can control ever muscle fiber in their body, so that when they hit they hit with super human strength, or move so fast they look like they are teleporting)
"Benny Jezzerit" is how you pronounce the cult that Jessica is from. They're literally the best part of the story period! Can't wait for more!
I mean... it's said a dozen times in the movie.
Bene Gezzerit*
no zz sound it is jess er et
*Bono Jessimtight
@JohnDoe-oh8jd they weren't trying to spell it correctly. they were trying to type it in a way they could read phonetically. So absolutely pointless attempt at trying to correct them.
4:49 putting this line in the trailer was so smart. I got interested in this movie entirely because of wholesome Oscar Isaac (and having 2049’s director).
42:53, Jason Momoa's son Nakoa-Wolf takes fight training in kali. Mamoa says the knife salute that Paul and Duncan do before going into battle is something that he has seen his son do.
So Mamoa put it into the movie as a shoutout to his son.
Every Villeneuve movie should be viewed in cinema first
"Star Wars mixed with Game of Thrones" is a pretty solid comparison.
Paul is trained by his bene Geserit mother to master some abilities. But he has other teachers. He's trained to be a mentat, a human computer because there is no AI. It's forbidden since the buttlerian jihad 10000 years early.
When he's seeing Jamis as friend, it's one of many possibilities.
The book was amazing. Im currently halfway through Messiah but the first book covers the first and second movie of Denis Villenueve’s adaptation. He truly gave this book the best adaptation to film.
I'm reading Messiah right now too! The books are a trip.
For context, the Harkonnens and the Atriedes have a deadly inter-family feud that spans generations. They have been fighting with each other for hundreds of years, but the Atriedes taking over Arrakis from the Harkonnens was the casus belli for open warfare between the two houses. The fact that the takeover of Dune was commanded by the Emperor even while the Emperor was secretly giving military aid to the Harkonnens to tip the scales in the Baron's favor heavily implies that the order for the Atriedes to take over Dune was a ruse.
As Baron Vladimir Harkonnen said: "When is a gift not a gift?"
not hundreds of years but 10,000 years to accurate
there is more to that Atraides where gaining to much power among the other houses. and Harkonnens to rich... the Emporer changed them a fortune for the extra troops and Spacing Guild charged even more to move all of them with out warning. 2 birds one stone, removes the Atraides from play and keeps the Harkonnens from rising in there place
@@Elios0000 the emperor did not charge them, he offered his troops for free and as long as they paid for the shipment of the troops
@@Elios0000 harkonnen from rising, as they got Dune again. Once they got production back up. It wouldn't be that long for them to be super rich again
Already watched but will rewatch the upload to support
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Came here for the Dune reaction, subscribed for those two amazing reactors, cant wait to see you girls react to Dune part 2, that movie is on another level of cinematic experience.
The baron activated his shield before leaning toward the duke which block most of the poison and the Emperor help the Arkonnen destroy the Atreides because de Duke was getting more popular among the other Great Houses and he felt his position was being threatened by that.
Overall you catch almost everything. Great reaction!
In the books, Paul describes his visions as looking out over the desert. You can see the tops of the dunes (moments in time) but you cannot see what is between you and the dune and what paths you need to take until you get closer.
You want to talk about world building, Frank Herbert didn't just world build he built an entire known universe. The politics and plots within plots in the Dune books make Game Of Thrones look like a high school squabble. I've read the first 5 books multiple times and I pick up something new each time I read them.
Tell me you've only watched Game of Thrones and didn't read the books without telling me. I love Dune but come on, the world of Ice and Fire is as deep and complex as Dune. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but keep it in the real world yeah?
@@earth2saka exactly. also ASOIAF biggest inspiration is Dune!
Finishing the first Dune book and it's even less complex than Game of Thrones (the first ASOIAF book)
One thing I miss in these movies is the visions are pretty basic; would've gone _way harder_ on the parabolic imagery and abstraction. Low-key Dune: Prophecy does a better job with its vision sequences
yall are real ones for sure, you caught a lot of details right off the bat! You will definitely love part 2.
Legitimately the best film series I've seen in years; so glad you enjoyed it, and looking forward to the conclusion.
36:26 Among the Dune lore, there is a saying among the Bene Gesserit: don't count anyone dead until you see the body, and even then, you can be mistaken.
Sister Meesh of the Bene Gesserit.
27:18-27:28 I agree that Leto's ultimate sacrifice was epic!
"Who will our next oppressors be?" Is a haunting line that really hits me deep.
Ok! Thought you guys had reacted to this before! But.... now I'm here so.... "Benedict-gism" alone is worth a rewatch 🤣🤣. Can't wait for Part II! It will ROCK your worlds! This film is epic... but part II is EPIC.
Hahha here for all the Benedict-gism 🤣😭 we are STOKED for Part 2!! Thanks for watching along with us (twice lol) 🫶🏼
They didn't do a good job explaining but the Emperor didn't think he had a choice and actually liked Duke Leto. He had no sons but their was a male heir in both the Atreides and Harkonnen. Who were the next most powerful houses. If he had married a daughter to Paul the Harkonnen's would have rebelled and started a galactic war. If he married his daughter to the Harkonnen the Harkonnens would be ruthless and that would start a revolution. Either way there was going to be a galactic scale war. He thought ambushing and eliminating the Atreides and marrying a daughter to Harkonnen heir was the only path to avoid an all out war.
At least they point out Shaddam loved Leto in the opening of Part Two
He wasn't that smart then...and it couldn't have been real love either because you don't kill who you love so decidedly. He could have married his daughter to Paul and united the Houses (who readily supported the Atreides already) againts the Harkonens if they rebelled. What could the Harkonens really achieve if the Emperor united with the Atreides? The Emperor could have easily removed them from Arrakis so they didn't use spice and it's production as leverage, give it to the Atreides and provide them help and defenses.
He loved Leto so much he was jealous of his good standing with the other Great Houses and would rather kill him and his entire bloodline and give his daughter to Harkonens along with his rule (cause he gonna die some say) when they are renowned for being cruel and sadistic....yeah...that don't make much sense to me.
I loved both movies immensely, and yet still Part 1 walked so Part 2 could run. Can't wait for Part 2 reaction.
You two are following such a good reaction path for your channel. Arcane was what brought me in, then bridging the rift, and now Dune? It's all my top 3 reaction searches. Throw Fallout in after and you basically Aced it.
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"I recognize your footsteps, old man ..."
In this case the 'old man' is the worms, to which he is prophetically linked in the future.
Okay, i was totally sure i had watched this before. LOL I'll watch this cut because you two are awesome.
Also... a Pinoy Olympic Gold! 🎉
Congrats! happy for your country!
@@brohanson thanks, though i'm actually Canadian. It's just the country of my lineage, but they aren't often in gold medal contention. 😆
Trippy seeing Stilgar and Gurney together in this movie. Both actors were adversaries in "No country for old men."
“How they get, like, produce?” made me snort like a pig. Instant subscribe.
literally first, love your guys stuff :)
Aww you’re so sweet!! Thanks for watching along 🥰❤️🔥
I also went blind into this back when it came into the cinema the first time. I highly highly recommend since you watched it one time now, to watch it at least once more to get a full grip of the story and just pure beauty of this movie. When I watched Dune the first time I was totally overwhelmed :D
"How do they get produce"?
Best reactor line to Dune.
Btw, your video description says this movie is based on the 1984 movie. It is based on the books, not the previous movie.
I've watched you watch this. AND I'LL DO IT AGAIN 😂
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I love how u guys read about the featured heroes after each cinematic. It’s a great add on to the reaction! And yes please watch the necrit videos! I know you’ve prolly seen still here a long time ago and just not posting it but necrit does a great lore video on it!
The harkonnens are following the emperor's orders which means that when he asked them to leave it was an order to put House of tradies and area that they did not know and would be easily executed given the right amount of forces. Which is why he sends his own army with the harkonnens the sadekar were all in white they're considered the baddest soldiers in the universe so giving a thousand of them to the baron was equivalent of him saying destroy House of Trades because they become too powerful another houses are beginning to sway in their side
Star Wars did take inspiration from the Dune books. Then everything else took inspiration from how Star Wars was made.
Coming back to ask again that you watch Dune 2 while the characters are fresh on your mind. The first one just lays out the chessboard that the second movie plays upon. I have watched every reactor so far and I love your insights and comments.
Dune part 2 coming soon 😉
Great intelligent reaction. RM Gaius HM cued you to the emperor's helping the Harkonnens.
Appreciate your guys reaction to this. Very open to new and interesting things, curious and respectful! I enjoyed this a lot and can’t wait for Part 2 🙌🏾 ⚡️
PS The fighting style is a Filipino knife style of fighting, Kali
Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Harry Potter etc all inspired by the Lord of the Rings or Dune
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The cool thing about the dreams are that they are very metaphorical. Chani is the one who leads him to his destiny so he sees her walking ahead and showing him the desert. To kill someone is to kill yourself so when she gives him the knife to kill jamis, she is also killing him. Jamis is teaching him the ways of the desert, which are harsh and cruel, and his first lesson is that there can be no mercy, only death. In killing jamis, paul dies but that can also be represented as jamis killing Paul.
In the books, 3 worms stood up almost bowed and then drawn away.
Can’t wait to see your reaction to part 2
Just dropped 😉
dont waste time its a garbage lokks like a snyder movie
@@juniorgamersfire1184 Nah. Trolling like this is so 2015. And it's sad that you can't spell "looks."
Paul was taught but he was born with those powers
Wow, You're both are so smart or at least perceptive, I watch a lot of reaction videos and specially Dune videos and yours by far has most intelligent points.
Meesh & Dee Truly Such A Awesome Video Today!!🔥🐐🐐💎
Yeah, Paul sees multiple possible futures. Great reaction. Hope you guys react to Part 2 soon.
The intent behind getting the Harkonnens and Atreides to fight each other is to weaken both parties, but to stop the Atreides ascension and give the Harkonnens back what they want most, financial power. It allows him to strengthen his position (the Emperor's)while letting his rivals fight each other. Paul is a wildcard, The Harkonnens know this and don't care.
Please watch Dune: Part 2!
Dune is set in in 18000 years into the future, the year 20,000 a.d
"Benedict-gism.." Dee - 2024 XD
Dee looking hella good
You both look stunning every single video, I can't even.
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It's crazy seeing the difference in how teams spend money when making a film.
Compare this to the new borderlands movie that just came out which cost over $110 million, the gap in quality of the final products is astronomical.
9:29 Bene Gesserit can. It should’ve been explained
Can't wait for part 2
Just dropped 😉
Please don't make us wait a month for part 2!!
Let’s go,Good reaction As Written.
Part two lets go
I would argue and people will agree, that the Dune series modernized Sci-fi. You look at sci-fi movies during the 60s, and then look at sci-fi movies in the 70s.
That was a great reaction. Can't wait for you to get into DUNE PART TWO. And yes, there is MUCH more Zendaya in that one. ;) And you still have so much mythology (and new characters) to dig into that I think you will like. Definitely picked the right time to watch the series. Enjoy.
Awsome reaction!
Just discovered your channel and loving the reactions! Definitely look forward to ya'll watching Dune Pt 2! Also, not sure if you've already seen it, but I think both of you would love watching Everything Everywhere All At Once and it would make for a great reaction on the channel!
Dune 2 is really epic
10191 ag after guild in the Dune Time line 38000 years. After Guild AG was actually like 6000 years after current time. My dates maybe off a bit. But 10191 is actually 16000 to 18000 years in the future.
Definitely watch Part 2 before you watch the old Dune film as that film covers events that happen in Part 2, and that way you won’t be spoiled. Personally, I think the old movie is atrocious. I remember falling in love with the books when I was pretty young, and when I finally watched the movie I was kind of like, “what in the ever loving fuck is this?!”. I think a lot of people like it for nostalgia, but to each their own.
Also, the Baron says the emperor is a “jealous man”. The Atreides had been rising in popularity amongst the noble houses and the emperor sent them to Arakkis as a trap to wipe them out with the help of the Harkonens.
These two movies are amazing. The second one is even better.
Dune has some insanely good story plots. The human race was barely wiped from existance when AI went to far, the humans won against the computers so that's why there are no computers in their day and age. They have mentats, people like the charachter of Tufir Hawat trained to calculate extremely fast. Interstellar travel without computer is only achievable by enhancing mentats capacity with the use of spice to calculate navigation in space.
Paul has both the potential to be a mentat, and the ways of the voice taught in secret by his bene geserit mother, making him extremely powerful.
The bene geserit have a grand design, by way of mariage and genetics to breed leaders who can ignore their animal nature and think with rationality. Not to spoil but Paul wasn't supposed to be this leader in their plan, they weren't finished mixing the families and genetic aptitudes yet.
Also, this idea of missionaries who brought religious ideals and profecies to a colonized place to help their plans later in the futur is awesome. It's so evoking of the real world. The Bene Geserit planted the idea of a messiah in the culture of Arakis so that it would be easier to take control of it's people when the time was right to place someone fullfilling that self proclaimed profecy.
Frank Herbert started writing this in 1960,it was published in 1965 I first read it in1972. Way before. drones, Wi-Fi and way before anyone in the world realized how important the Middle East and it's oil was. There is the climate of Dune, 140 degrees average day. Now we live on a warming planet. Will our great grand children have to wear water saving suits too?
19:28 Don't do that, it's pain.
Great decision watching this, one of the most epic movies what can follow in the footsteps of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Altough if it is not a long strech, you could watch the original Dune from 1984, you will see a familiar face playing Paul :)
Actually Star Wars took inspiration from the book of Frank Herbert, but Herbert's book made into a movie much later, since the first Star Wars was released in '77 while Dune in '84.
The Dune movie was much more close to being an art film and true to the book than a scripted movie, plus the hype of the original Star Wars trilogy (A New Hope '77, The Empire Strikes Back '80 and the Return of the Jedi '83) overshadowed Dune ('84) and it could not reach a breaking point to be known as widely. I think it was a good decision by Herbert's heritage to reshoot this movie when Star Wars was fading in the Disney era and people started to miss the good old space fantasy.
Benedict-gism is officially my new religion
I’d like to join that religion too 😂😂
oh no I thought it was a typo and it's reaction to part 2 but turned out it's re-upload :(
In the book, Dr. Kynes was Zendaya's father. She only exists as female in this movie.
The Trilogy would be:
*_DUNE_*
*_DUNE: Messiah_*
*_Childern of DUNE_*
The first book (DUNE) was just broken up into 2 parts. *_DUNE: Part 2_* is not n actual sequel. It is just the cinematic continuation of the first book. It triggers me so much that they didn't find another way to classify the second half of the first book.
The relatively book-faithful (but cash-poor) 2000 miniseries is much more important to fandom than the extremely compromised 1984 film. Watch the former after seeing Part 2 of this. Even if you don't react to it, just watch it for yourselves.
42:50 Slav squat
Please don't make us wait too long.....please. 🙃😉
Game of Thrones was inspired by Dune, too.
Please react to Dune Part 2.... if you like this your going to love it.
The original Dune book predates not only Star Wars but Star Trek as well. These movies from Denis Villenueve are based upon the Dune books and should NOT be considered a remake of the 1984 movie. The 1984 version by David Lynch is trippy and a hack job of the books.
In 2000, the Syfy channel did a couple of tv miniseries based upon the first three Dune books. They were closer to the books than the 1984 movie. But they were plagued by low budget and costumes that were just bizarre.
This movie is the first half of the first Dune book. The second movie that came out this year is the second half of that book.
Final points, this story takes place over 20,000 years into our future. In that time Earth has been destroyed in a war against artificial intelligence.
Because of the war, humanity has disavowed the use of highly advanced computers. So over the 10,000 or more years since that war, various human sects have been evolved and bred to superhuman levels of strength, stamina and mental abilities. That is why several people in this movie have abilities that are beyond the norm.
Despite the Bene Gesserit (BG) being called witches, there is no such thing as magic. The BG are just women with highly advanced abilities. Paul is a male Bene Gesserit aka the Kwisatz Haderach.
its more than 20,000 years into the future. as the year zero-1 AG was in the year 13,000 AD/CE this is taking place in the year 10,191 AG 10,191 plus 13,000 is 23,191 so you are off by 3000 years
@@houseofaction Oh gosh darn. 😉
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Please react to Part Two!
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Amazing movie
When is part 2 ?!
Soon ;)
The 2000 Mini-Series does more world building than these two movies.
dune 2 is even better
60s
you love heavy lore building
so go to champ of it
LOTR
If only star wars was made for a more mature audience. Dune is just so much better.
Heya love your videos, Id recommend reacting to the valorant cinematics, valorant is also from riot (the company behind league of legends) so you can expect the same level of polish. Also! You havent reacted to the newest League cinematic "Im still here"! Either way, keep up the hood work :3
9:45, hey don't talk about Paul's grandma like that. LOL. Not joking that's his mom's mother.
I feel bad for Paul Atreides. My grandma gave me hugs and cookies. His grandma threatens to end him if he fails a mental test the first time they meet.
That grandma link was the invention of Frank Herbert’s son, Brian, and co-author Kevin Anderson. If Frank wanted Mohiam to be Jessica’s mother, he would have put it in one of the original six novels.
As a Reverend Mother, Jessica has Other Memory which allows her to see the past and her ancestral lines. She knows who her secret father is and would also know who her secret mother is, after drinking the Water of Life. The fact that she never acknowledges a link to Mohiam, an important piece of information, means Frank never intended for them to be related. Contrast that to the revelation of who Jessica’s father is, discussed in the first novel.
It’s just one of several things Brian and Kevin put in their mediocre sequels and prequels (cash grabs) that contradict the lore Frank established. Another contradiction is the Butlerian Jihad. Frank described it as a war between humans over AI. One group of people were fighting another group of people who were enslaving humanity with AI. It was not humanity vs intelligent robots, as depicted in The Terminator and Matrix movies. Brian and Kevin either misinterpreted or deliberately ignored what Frank wrote.
@@SunsetRogue you see, you can believe that all you want but that doesn't make it true. brian says his fathers notes mentioned the link and until proven otherwise that has to be ttaken as fact. not to mention brian owns the rights to the novels so he can dictate what is and isn't canon. not to mention you are putting too much faith in frank when dune was plagurized from the Sabres of Paradise
@@houseofaction You see, you can believe all you want that Brian based his writing off his father’s notes and outlines, but that doesn’t make it true UNTIL he provides evidence by publicly showing his father’s supposed notes and outlines for the planned 7th novel, which Brian has NEVER done.
It would be quite easy for him to prove this. All he has to do is show Frank’s notes to some interviewer or writer. That he is invariably secretive about it indicates he is full of BS. He hasn’t shown them to legitimize his claims of being faithful to Frank’s vision because the notes don’t exist.
It’s funny that you should defend Brian, who rides on the coattails of his father’s legacy. He doesn’t have a tenth of the creative talent Frank had and needs a co-author’s help. But he’s definitely made money off his father’s name, producing nearly 30 Dune books and short stories. Brian churning out mediocre crap year after year mirrors the oversaturated dreck Disney is milking out of the Star Wars franchise. Brian and Disney have a lot in common.
The Sabres Of Paradise is a non-fiction historical book about a Muslim chieftain, Imam Shamil, who led his tribes against the forces of Imperial Russia. Frank Herbert, like many creative people, was inspired by stories, fictional or real, that came before him. Nothing is created in a vacuum. Lawrence Of Arabia, Asimov’s Foundation series, and A Princess Of Mars were likely inspirations for Dune, yet Dune is significantly different from them. Plus, tales of an oppressed group fighting against a richer, more powerful enemy didn’t start with The Sabres Of Paradise and didn’t end with Star Wars. This type of story has existed since the beginning of recorded history.
@@houseofaction Furthermore, you have a loose definition of plagiarism. Herbert did not plagiarize either The Sabres Of Paradise or Lawrence Of Arabia, especially since the plot of Dune and trajectory of his main character differ greatly from Imam Shamil’s and T.E. Lawrence’s stories. Also, did TSOP have gigantic sandworms and a hallucinogenic drug that granted prescience and an unnaturally long life? Did Lawrence become a ruling theocrat who could alter the future in advance, thanks to genetic breeding and Bene Gesserit training? NO.
Unlike George Lucas (who directly copied Arrakis, sandworms, and God Emperor Leto II for Tatooine, greater Krayt dragons, and Jabba the Hutt with little alteration), Herbert made the effort to change his stories to be recognizably different, distinct from the sources of his inspiration. The futuristic feudal setting was a major change. The use of human computers (mentats) instead of intelligent robots was another change that differed from typical sci-fi of the time. The Fremen were inspired by Arabic and Bedouin culture and Herbert borrowed Arabic words for them, but they are not copies of Middle Eastern people. In many ways, the Fremen have a truly unique culture. Paul does not fit the hero’s journey of Shamil and Lawrence. He is a subversion of that trope. He’s a warning about following perceived heroes.
No author or member of the publishing industry has ever filed a lawsuit against Frank Herbert for copyright infringement. In our litigious society, someone would have if there were any evidence. Herbert complained about Star Wars and once considered suing Lucas for copyright infringement, but eventually changed his mind because he was a literary author, not a money-grubbing filmmaker. Lucas, derivative as he is, is known for excessive lawsuits, accusing others of the same things he’s guilty of.
Notably, Lesley Blanch, author of The Sabres Of Paradise, voiced no objections about Herbert or Dune. Blanch outlived him by 21 years and she never made one complaint about him even after he died. Instead, contemporary authors have praised Herbert for his worldbuilding and originality. Accusing him of plagiarism is such a stretch.
Please watch Dune 2 if you haven't already.
Part 1 and 2 are basicly 1 movie. the Book was to long to do as single movie. Part 3 is Book 2
The voice is more a skill than a power. Bene Gesserit are highly trained, but they are not telepathic nor supernatural in any way.
I clicked on it thinking it was part 2. I'm sad :(
Soon! 😁🙏🏼