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I can try and decode it: Elves are neoliberals who side with far-right fascists to preserve big business interests while gnomes are already a state capitalist government like CCP China or the Russian Federation. Though technically a democracy, the institutions of the elves are eroding to the point where it looks like the nation will be seized by a "President for life" or some oligarch on a swell of reactionary populist support.
@@Sepi-chu_loves_mothsI imagine seeing this is like if your busdriver randomly started talking about what should be done about the means of production?
not really, fictional worlds can have political systems that exclude some things from the real world and include what the writer wants. i know it sounds obvious but some people forget that
Not really, "conservative" is definitionally relative. "Conservatives" in whymar republic were the monarchist, not the liberals, fascists nor communists for example. American conservatives are a form of liberal (they believe in a federal republic, which is a definitionally liberal form of government if you are using more exacting definitions of terms, the mainstream right and left in America believe in liberal governance, but disagree on a whole lot of specifics, both structurally and policy wise). Conservatives are whatever the moderately reactionary element of politics is, often wanting to undue some elements of recent reforms, but not all of them, and only very rarely wanting to radically change the structure of government (typically only if the system wanting to be changed is itself very new, like in post war Germany, or conservative resistance to revolutionary movements). Of course, that is generally a loose definition, as it varies. Like is wanting to turn back federal power to a pre Wilson level moderately reactionary? Depends who you ask, as such a system would not be completely alien, would still be democratic, and have many of the same surface level mechanism of power, but would r3esult in a radical rebalancing of state and federal authority and completely upend ho regulation is done.
@@arelpasha9309 this is my favourite response, i was imagining the land i lived in was just taken over by demons but i love the idea that i somehow have access to youtube in hell and whenever the hell people complain everyone is just like "and yet you did enough crime to be damnned, interesting...." like on magic twitter people would be like "L + ratio + hell dweller + damned soul"
I think you got elf liberalism and gnome fascism reversed, I assume what op was going for is that the elf and gnome Overton windows are so far apart that what an elf considers a liberal a gnome considers a fascist
'Umie believing in freedom until me choppah hits them and they scream 'don't kill me, don't kill me' like they don't believe in personal freedoms. Curious.
What about Aquatic Libertarianism? Fishmen don't technically own property since it belongs to the ocean (i.e. the state), but still value their oceanic corners enough to the point where they fight you for it.
What about Terrestrial Libertarianism? Humans don't technically own property since it belongs to the land (i.e. the state), but still value their earthen corners enough to the point where they fight you for it.
@@gimmeyourrights8292 I was attempting to show you what you said made no sense by applying it to land but apparently you either believe the land itself is a state or you didn't notice what you said in your original comment makes no sense and then missed it again in my comment.
The fairies are doing a terrible job in stopping the goblins from selling unicorn horn dusts in the streets of Thÿorns. The wizard senate is a joke and full of walking, magic fossils
Elf liberalisem is ignorant of and sees little issue with their exploitative, economicaly imperialist, high-elf supremacist, matriarchal sistem so they often end up on the same possitions as the fascists anyway, making the diffrence between them only meaningless culture war.
I could be WAY off, but I think what they are saying is that Elves (in this context) are considered a very "conservative" society based on normal standards, whereas Gnomes are generally considered a very left wing "liberal" society. So a left wing liberal Elf would be considered very right wing based on the standards of Gnome culture (borderline facist)
Elves aren't conservative. They're socially liberal and place great importance on personal autonomy, but they hate short-lived foreigners. A lot like the Social Democrats in Denmark. Dwarves are more conservative.
@@kakahass8845 artists, wood workers, generally liking feasts and curious about the world and easily show their feelings. dwarves would be old school leftist arguing about which way the proletariat should work and otherwise share and hold rights equally compared to strong hierarchy, so authleft in my view. Elves are all about nature and traditions. Somewhere between ancap and authright, like ancient pagan chads aesthetic (which clashes with christian chads aesthetic for some reason 🤷🏽♀). Humans and orcs would be authright, warring for anything and strongly capitalists, all about hierarchy and order. Gnomes would be rather lib-left then, preferring things held in common and freedom.
The existence of Elf Liberalism can also imply the existence of Dwarf Anarchism, Warforged Theocracies, and Bugbear Technocracies which is like a Gnome Oligarchy.
They already are very socialist by default in many a setting, but also highly isolationist, so dwarf socialists are probably the kind that are partially liberal, advocating against discrimination against non-dwarfs in dwarf cities and increasing the minimum height of doorways.
I think it's that Elves are usually portrayed as the polar opposite of liberal, while gnomes are portrayed as the opposite of fascist. So if you take a political compass, and put them on their sides, a liberal elf and a fascist gnome would both end up in the very center (for example), and therefore be the same thing (i.e. hold similar opinions, similar values, etc...)
It would make sense for elf liberalism to look like gnome fascism because liberalism is the idea of embracing more liberty even if it is at the expense of traditional values. In this sense, the liberal elves are basically embracing similar beliefs and customs one would expect out of fascist gnomes, because these beliefs and customs would be going against traditional elf values.
Elves are eternal, and never-changing, as are their ways. That's about as conservative as you can possibly be. Gnomes are tricksy ever-changing little creatures with NO RULES. This makes perfect sense. Relative overton windows.
Unfortunately, I have a hyperfixation with Tolkien's legendarium and thus have no choice but to think about the two in each other's context. The quendi, of course, almost universally favor monarchy. I can think of a few counterexamples off the top of my head, though: thrice or twice (depending on the version) (that I can think of) has public opinion effectively partially or totally deposed a ruler, Galadriel and Celeborn didn't take monarchistic titles (they seem to have been chosen by their subjects), and both Elrond and Galadriel declined to take up their inherited lordship of the Noldor. That's as much as I can do right now.
Most of the times, orcs are keen on fighting and bringing the fight with them to different places where they go. Which sounds a lot like igniting a worldwide revolution. So they'll follow the tenets of Trorctsky.
I am pretty sure elf liberalism is not the same gnome fascism, gnomes are completely different from elves. Saying elf liberalism is a step away from elf fascism would be valid tho. Just don't conflate elves with gnomes.
US politics has no left wing, that's why. Their entire two party system is right wing centrists and outright fascists. Fun fact: their anarchists(!!!) are also right wing fascists. That's why they keep pushing horseshoe theories.
I'm writing a fantasy book and in it, elves are so high and mighty that elf liberalism is literally just not being racist. Like if you are an elf, especially one living in Rampartia, the elf kingdom, and you are genuinely not racist, it's as much libaralism as you get
Elves are always polite and proper so their society is basically one of those 18th century romance novels where *The Ankle* is the height of scandalousness, so liberal Elves are still very conservative by our standards. Whereas Gnomes tend to be the curious and impulsive/radical engineer type, so their version of fascism is still incredibly unrestrictive because they don't like being restrained.
BTW I'm certain the definition of "liberalism" here isn't the colloquial term of "anyone who is left wing" but is the pejorative given by socialists, anarchists, and progressives. Basically, liberalism as the intersection of capital and democracy-potentially with neoliberalism's adoption of social justice as a platform with minimal budging on economic policies. So it's not just "Progressive elves are conservative gnomes," but directly contrasting more intricate economic policies of fascism vs liberalism, with a bit of a spin.
“Let’s be honest everyone can we really survive four more years of Glubgo Bafflestone and his extremist policies? Like he wants to introduce orcs into our communities. Do you want to have orcs in your community? I think not.”
The gnomes are very kind and loving so their facism is like "you can't just walk into our country you might need to apply for a visa!" While the elf liberals are very unpopular due to how much elfs love tradition ect. Elf liberals will seem very conservative by the standards of most speicies! The elfs hate change and want things to stay the same in their beautiful little garden cities forever.
A lot of how we define political beliefs is based off of where our own society's beliefs are; which is to say, "liberalism" and "fascism" aren't so much set places on the political spectrum, as they are having advocating for less-strict interpretations and applications of the law than has traditionally been the case (liberalism), or advocating for sufficiently stronger and more centralized state control than has traditionally been the case (fascism). This is why reactionaries feel like their opposition is unjustly calling everything fascism, and progressives feel like their opposition unjustly calls everything liberalism. Anyway, in a society that is traditionally very socially conservative (elves), liberalism would still be fairly conservative, just less so than whatever the traditional values are. From the perspective of a society that is traditionally been borderline anarchist (gnomes), this would still be comparatively very fascist. " So, the most liberal elf and the most fascist dwarf hold the exact same political positions, it's just that their respective societies are looking at them from two very different perspectives.
Eberron elf politics are complicated because some of them live in these Mayan-style cities with necromancer/undead councils, others are nomadic tribes, others are pirates, and others have kinda assimilated into human society. It's all a lot different from gnome politics though due to very different histories.
So in America there is a red side and a blue side. The red side is allowed to call the blue side woke, immoral, and DEI. The blue side is allowed to call the red side racist, fasict, and any of the -phobics. Snowflake was a red thing, but in later years, it was used by both sides. Both red and blue are allowed to use crybaby, cope. Seethe, and pedophile as insults. And if you're European, you're allowed to laugh at how silly this all is as another European nations government collapses.
liberals, through their political uneducatedness, in some cases agree with fascists, which ends up being exaggerated when brought up in political discourse by leftists like me and i assume the op. the op recontructs this discourse around elves and gnomes, making it appear more entertaining
Not that hard to get really. Elves are so privileged and powerful that their “moderate” political positions would been seen as fascistic in the political spheres of other fantasy races. Put simply, elves are American.
Wow, i didnt get that one. Is it something like Elvish society somehow turn into a superior race autocracy thing or does gnomes suddenly turn into free market or pro choise thing?
I think it's that Elves are usually portrayed as the polar opposite of liberal, while gnomes are portrayed as the opposite of fascist. So if you take a political compass, and put them on their sides, a liberal elf and a fascist gnome would both end up in the very center (for example), and therefore be the same thing (i.e. hold similar opinions, similar values, etc...) Another simpler take could be that a liberal elf is just that much of an oddity as a fascist elf?
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The sentence "Elf Liberalism is basically the same as Gnome Fascism" gave me severe Brain Haemorrhage
I can try and decode it:
Elves are neoliberals who side with far-right fascists to preserve big business interests while gnomes are already a state capitalist government like CCP China or the Russian Federation. Though technically a democracy, the institutions of the elves are eroding to the point where it looks like the nation will be seized by a "President for life" or some oligarch on a swell of reactionary populist support.
It's true tho
elf dwarf horseshoe theory
This is the type of conversation I could only imagine seeing on tumblr
Reddit too, let's be fair
@@morgantorium nah this is 100% tumblr. now if it were reddit there would be some sort of argument over what gnome fascism “really means”
especially by a user who is named maidthings. who i already followed. who posts mainly, as you would expect, about maid things
@@Sepi-chu_loves_mothsI imagine seeing this is like if your busdriver randomly started talking about what should be done about the means of production?
@@lenajk2004 said that cuz tumblr fucks with elf type fantasy shit
"Scratch an elf and a gnome bleeds."
elf liberalism... implies the existence of elf conservatism...
not really, fictional worlds can have political systems that exclude some things from the real world and include what the writer wants. i know it sounds obvious but some people forget that
They're probably the same since elves tend to be racist and/or isolationist
orcs lol
Not really, "conservative" is definitionally relative. "Conservatives" in whymar republic were the monarchist, not the liberals, fascists nor communists for example. American conservatives are a form of liberal (they believe in a federal republic, which is a definitionally liberal form of government if you are using more exacting definitions of terms, the mainstream right and left in America believe in liberal governance, but disagree on a whole lot of specifics, both structurally and policy wise).
Conservatives are whatever the moderately reactionary element of politics is, often wanting to undue some elements of recent reforms, but not all of them, and only very rarely wanting to radically change the structure of government (typically only if the system wanting to be changed is itself very new, like in post war Germany, or conservative resistance to revolutionary movements). Of course, that is generally a loose definition, as it varies. Like is wanting to turn back federal power to a pre Wilson level moderately reactionary? Depends who you ask, as such a system would not be completely alien, would still be democratic, and have many of the same surface level mechanism of power, but would r3esult in a radical rebalancing of state and federal authority and completely upend ho regulation is done.
It doesn't
Most liberal elf vs most fascist gnome be like
How so-called “free-market” capitalist dragons look begging for government subsidies after I claim my stolen gold back from them: 🤡🤡🤡
In Pathfinder 2e remaster there's Conspirator dragons which are kind of capitalist conmen.
adventurers are a kind of maid that help with dust shaped piles of gold
we need to deport the orcs
I now need a campaign with a capitalist dragon who uses adventures to steal a bit of gold so he can commit tax evasion
@@codyperry5427 Shadowrun, you're talking about Shadowrun
i hate living under a demonarchy
barrad magocracy:
the Grand Magister ruling the Magelands with an enchanted Mageblade:
@@Torgan454Wait what? Equestria at war mentioned?
Never really expected such a thing, most people are too cowardly to admit even knowing about it.
And yet your soul is being damned for eternity. Interesting.
@@arelpasha9309 this is my favourite response, i was imagining the land i lived in was just taken over by demons but i love the idea that i somehow have access to youtube in hell and whenever the hell people complain everyone is just like "and yet you did enough crime to be damnned, interesting...." like on magic twitter people would be like "L + ratio + hell dweller + damned soul"
Oh yes. Elf liberalism, gnome fascism, dwarf socialism and fairy anarchism: the real political compass.
I think you got elf liberalism and gnome fascism reversed, I assume what op was going for is that the elf and gnome Overton windows are so far apart that what an elf considers a liberal a gnome considers a fascist
Dwarf socialism goes hard ngl
@@LordDanielG "Of course we own the means of production. We're dwarfs!"
@normalin1stofhisname Imagine letting some dude have all the stuff you mine and craft for himself. Only an elf could come up with something so stupid!
Dwarf anarchism is basically the same as fairy totalitarianism.
what fandom discussions are like to people who don't know the lore
I want to read that doctoral thesis
So called "liberal" elves when an orc enters the room (suddenly they're pro genocide)
By Sigmar I hate knife ears.
'Umie believing in freedom until me choppah hits them and they scream 'don't kill me, don't kill me' like they don't believe in personal freedoms.
Curious.
when you say "Genocide" you're implying they are people, orcs are not people.
@@MasterGhostf Course they aren't people, calling orcs people is like calling gods people
they're just on a higher plane of course #orcsupremacy
eltharion never struck me as a liberal
Shows up
Makes confusing statement
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves
i cant explain it but i feel it spiritually
What about Aquatic Libertarianism? Fishmen don't technically own property since it belongs to the ocean (i.e. the state), but still value their oceanic corners enough to the point where they fight you for it.
i believe in aquatic left communism
What about Terrestrial Libertarianism? Humans don't technically own property since it belongs to the land (i.e. the state), but still value their earthen corners enough to the point where they fight you for it.
@kakahass8845 That's just regular Libertarianism.
@@gimmeyourrights8292 I was attempting to show you what you said made no sense by applying it to land but apparently you either believe the land itself is a state or you didn't notice what you said in your original comment makes no sense and then missed it again in my comment.
@kakahass8845 I know I'm restarted, you don't need to remind me.
The fairies are doing a terrible job in stopping the goblins from selling unicorn horn dusts in the streets of Thÿorns. The wizard senate is a joke and full of walking, magic fossils
Heard some members of the wizard senate are a bit racist against sorcerers
I’m voting for Slenvhe the Kind One this election.
Personally, I enjoy being one of Supreme Mayor Grinklesink Shroomnose's toad-shirts.
Personally, I'm going for Gottrek the Desppoiler as Minister of defense, Larvdr the shrewd for ministry of economy
We don't talk about elf fascism.
Elf liberalisem is ignorant of and sees little issue with their exploitative, economicaly imperialist, high-elf supremacist, matriarchal sistem so they often end up on the same possitions as the fascists anyway, making the diffrence between them only meaningless culture war.
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Well elves would have a bad case of genentocracy.
Elf Ben Shapiro would go crazy
Nothing changes, except for him having pointy ears now (and I feel like he'd look gayer).
Elf Shapiro and Dwarf Macdonald collab would go insane
Magic don't care about feelings.
I could be WAY off, but I think what they are saying is that Elves (in this context) are considered a very "conservative" society based on normal standards, whereas Gnomes are generally considered a very left wing "liberal" society. So a left wing liberal Elf would be considered very right wing based on the standards of Gnome culture (borderline facist)
Elves aren't conservative. They're socially liberal and place great importance on personal autonomy, but they hate short-lived foreigners. A lot like the Social Democrats in Denmark.
Dwarves are more conservative.
Why are gnomes left wing? Genuine question.
@@kakahass8845 They aren't. The left just seems to that science was invented just Karl Marx.
@@kakahass8845 artists, wood workers, generally liking feasts and curious about the world and easily show their feelings. dwarves would be old school leftist arguing about which way the proletariat should work and otherwise share and hold rights equally compared to strong hierarchy, so authleft in my view.
Elves are all about nature and traditions. Somewhere between ancap and authright, like ancient pagan chads aesthetic (which clashes with christian chads aesthetic for some reason 🤷🏽♀). Humans and orcs would be authright, warring for anything and strongly capitalists, all about hierarchy and order.
Gnomes would be rather lib-left then, preferring things held in common and freedom.
@@sweetlilkitten Today on the internet... this.
Ah, yes, the -Overton- Faerie Window.
The existence of Elf Liberalism can also imply the existence of Dwarf Anarchism, Warforged Theocracies, and Bugbear Technocracies which is like a Gnome Oligarchy.
"It's not my job to educate you" *ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THA-*
You're heard of elf on the shelf, now get ready for...
Wait, elves, why did you go political?
Elves, please.
Elves, no
Ok but what about Dwarf socialism
Basically the same as orc Marxism
They already are very socialist by default in many a setting, but also highly isolationist, so dwarf socialists are probably the kind that are partially liberal, advocating against discrimination against non-dwarfs in dwarf cities and increasing the minimum height of doorways.
@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142 increasing door frame height as an anti discriminatory policy goes crazy
i feel a “far right” dwarf would just be a social democrat
They're the moderate center-left party between the two largest Dwarven political ideologies, which are Dwarf Monarchism and Dwarf Communism.
Elf liberalism mentioned🔥🗣️
I like to imagine that this is saying that, even at their worst and most authoritarian, Gnomes are just kind of annoying smug liberals.
"This has been a disaster for the Elven race"
-Elf kazinsky
Can I get someone who’s job it is to educate me?
el universidad
tha universe
I think it's that Elves are usually portrayed as the polar opposite of liberal, while gnomes are portrayed as the opposite of fascist.
So if you take a political compass, and put them on their sides, a liberal elf and a fascist gnome would both end up in the very center (for example), and therefore be the same thing (i.e. hold similar opinions, similar values, etc...)
It would make sense for elf liberalism to look like gnome fascism because liberalism is the idea of embracing more liberty even if it is at the expense of traditional values. In this sense, the liberal elves are basically embracing similar beliefs and customs one would expect out of fascist gnomes, because these beliefs and customs would be going against traditional elf values.
Elves are eternal, and never-changing, as are their ways. That's about as conservative as you can possibly be. Gnomes are tricksy ever-changing little creatures with NO RULES. This makes perfect sense. Relative overton windows.
Unfortunately, I have a hyperfixation with Tolkien's legendarium and thus have no choice but to think about the two in each other's context.
The quendi, of course, almost universally favor monarchy. I can think of a few counterexamples off the top of my head, though: thrice or twice (depending on the version) (that I can think of) has public opinion effectively partially or totally deposed a ruler, Galadriel and Celeborn didn't take monarchistic titles (they seem to have been chosen by their subjects), and both Elrond and Galadriel declined to take up their inherited lordship of the Noldor.
That's as much as I can do right now.
Brb need to go make a D&D campaign about a war between anarcho-syndicalist dwarves and fascist dwarves
Elf liberalism and gnome fascism are the sort of things Dungeon Meshi would have.
What would orcsoc be like?
Skyrim orcs
Most of the times, orcs are keen on fighting and bringing the fight with them to different places where they go. Which sounds a lot like igniting a worldwide revolution. So they'll follow the tenets of Trorctsky.
orc socialism? i guess something like "freedom defended by the weapon", or unifying all the orcs under a socialist federation
maidthings in a video on my youtube frontpage? Quite believable.
Yeah, that checks out.
As someone who is writing a monarcho-socialist fantasy society I agree
How do you mix a system defined by social hierarchy with a system defined by abolishing social hierarchies?
@ I meant to type “socialist” but my brain wasn’t working
What in Asuryan's name is this tomfoolery?
*rallying **-zaun-* avernus in liberation theology with my crew of tieflings, orcs and goblins
This is what happens when Sakuya is given an ounce of free time. She really needs to go back to cleaning, for her own sake.
I am pretty sure elf liberalism is not the same gnome fascism, gnomes are completely different from elves. Saying elf liberalism is a step away from elf fascism would be valid tho. Just don't conflate elves with gnomes.
Elfs would be hyper conservative due to their long lifespans.
This is literally the plot of Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magica Obscura
That game made me hate gnomes with a burning passion
Ive heard of that game, really cool you played it! I could never play oldschool rpgs and enjoy them :/
@Torgan454 completely valid, the engine is ancient and the game itself is a pain to set up on modern systems lol
Most recent character?
Lib does deteriorate into fash. Happened in Germany where they sold out marxos to the nazos. RIP Rosa Luxemburg.
Not your job?
You brought this sentence in this world, now it's your job to nurture it.
If you scratch a liberal elf, a dark elf bleeds.
Lmaoo I was trying to find a comment like this
With elves it really depends on the setting. They can go from anarcho-primitivists to literal genocidal fascists. Shit's wild.
I thought gnomes would be more like technocrats since they're mechanical inventors and all
This actually makes complete sense considering their ages.
i will never understand why liberalism is mostly associated with the left in us politics
Because liberalism.. goes by everything the left stands for?
It isn't
US politics has no left wing, that's why. Their entire two party system is right wing centrists and outright fascists. Fun fact: their anarchists(!!!) are also right wing fascists. That's why they keep pushing horseshoe theories.
I'm writing a fantasy book and in it, elves are so high and mighty that elf liberalism is literally just not being racist. Like if you are an elf, especially one living in Rampartia, the elf kingdom, and you are genuinely not racist, it's as much libaralism as you get
Elves are always polite and proper so their society is basically one of those 18th century romance novels where *The Ankle* is the height of scandalousness, so liberal Elves are still very conservative by our standards.
Whereas Gnomes tend to be the curious and impulsive/radical engineer type, so their version of fascism is still incredibly unrestrictive because they don't like being restrained.
BTW I'm certain the definition of "liberalism" here isn't the colloquial term of "anyone who is left wing" but is the pejorative given by socialists, anarchists, and progressives. Basically, liberalism as the intersection of capital and democracy-potentially with neoliberalism's adoption of social justice as a platform with minimal budging on economic policies.
So it's not just "Progressive elves are conservative gnomes," but directly contrasting more intricate economic policies of fascism vs liberalism, with a bit of a spin.
“Let’s be honest everyone can we really survive four more years of Glubgo Bafflestone and his extremist policies? Like he wants to introduce orcs into our communities. Do you want to have orcs in your community? I think not.”
Moldbug writes about this
The gnomes are very kind and loving so their facism is like "you can't just walk into our country you might need to apply for a visa!" While the elf liberals are very unpopular due to how much elfs love tradition ect. Elf liberals will seem very conservative by the standards of most speicies! The elfs hate change and want things to stay the same in their beautiful little garden cities forever.
Pretty sure that’s just dwarf anarchism.
Also known as ork monarchism.
thank you tumblr user maidthings
is thiswhy I got recommended ASMR videos featuring a fascist elf
No
Elderscrolls / sigmar wood elfs
Elf liberal: Legolas
Elf conservative: Pine creepers
A lot of how we define political beliefs is based off of where our own society's beliefs are; which is to say, "liberalism" and "fascism" aren't so much set places on the political spectrum, as they are having advocating for less-strict interpretations and applications of the law than has traditionally been the case (liberalism), or advocating for sufficiently stronger and more centralized state control than has traditionally been the case (fascism).
This is why reactionaries feel like their opposition is unjustly calling everything fascism, and progressives feel like their opposition unjustly calls everything liberalism.
Anyway, in a society that is traditionally very socially conservative (elves), liberalism would still be fairly conservative, just less so than whatever the traditional values are. From the perspective of a society that is traditionally been borderline anarchist (gnomes), this would still be comparatively very fascist.
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So, the most liberal elf and the most fascist dwarf hold the exact same political positions, it's just that their respective societies are looking at them from two very different perspectives.
Doesn even need the fantasy. Real life politicoids talk like that.
What about Halflings?
Dwarf meritokracy🗿
What lmao
Orc imperialism is basically Udun lesefairism.
Yeah but what about dwarf anarcho-capitalism?
That’s just Deep Rock Galactic.
@@Steph-the-Floof ROCK AND STONE
Kharadron Overlords
As expected from a Nikki Maxwell pfp
Gnome fascism exists in Eberron. Or at least a gnome police state does.
Eberron elf politics are complicated because some of them live in these Mayan-style cities with necromancer/undead councils, others are nomadic tribes, others are pirates, and others have kinda assimilated into human society. It's all a lot different from gnome politics though due to very different histories.
i dont understand politics can someone educate me pls
So in America there is a red side and a blue side. The red side is allowed to call the blue side woke, immoral, and DEI. The blue side is allowed to call the red side racist, fasict, and any of the -phobics. Snowflake was a red thing, but in later years, it was used by both sides. Both red and blue are allowed to use crybaby, cope. Seethe, and pedophile as insults.
And if you're European, you're allowed to laugh at how silly this all is as another European nations government collapses.
@@Onzo22
liberals, through their political uneducatedness, in some cases agree with fascists, which ends up being exaggerated when brought up in political discourse by leftists like me and i assume the op. the op recontructs this discourse around elves and gnomes, making it appear more entertaining
Elves would be so neo-lib
Not that hard to get really. Elves are so privileged and powerful that their “moderate” political positions would been seen as fascistic in the political spheres of other fantasy races. Put simply, elves are American.
GNOMES ARE REAL
ELVES ARE NOT
WHY?
GNOMES ACTUALLY GENOCIDED THE ELVES. THIS IS TRUE! WHUKA SAID THIS.
Wow, i didnt get that one. Is it something like Elvish society somehow turn into a superior race autocracy thing or does gnomes suddenly turn into free market or pro choise thing?
I think it means that elves are so racist that their version of liberalism would still be beyond reactionary to a people as laid back as gnomes.
I think it's that Elves are usually portrayed as the polar opposite of liberal, while gnomes are portrayed as the opposite of fascist.
So if you take a political compass, and put them on their sides, a liberal elf and a fascist gnome would both end up in the very center (for example), and therefore be the same thing (i.e. hold similar opinions, similar values, etc...)
Another simpler take could be that a liberal elf is just that much of an oddity as a fascist elf?
Real nisse communism
rashist liberahas are same as italian fascists during mussolini (or german nazis during hitler)
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