that gave me a really funny idea. For every situation where there a multiple angles a person can come from, count them up per user, the probability of them getting it right, and how many they did, and then calculate the distributions and do a hypothesis test and shit to see whether theres sufficient evidence to say theyre cheating lol
Funnily enough, a giveaway that someone is fabricating data is the absence of low probability outcomes like a coin flip landing heads 6 times in a row. Humans simply are not programmed to understand the independence of chance intuitively, probably because in nature most chances aren’t truly independent.
I don't want to be that guy, but that is not enough. There might be a 1% chance of something unlikely happening and the guy looking like they are cheating for a single event or match, but you are only analyzing a single match which you know for a fact before you even watch it that there is something suspicious, otherwise you wouldn't be watching them. Essentially, you want to find the probability of cheating while looking suspicious, or given your coin flip analogy, the probability of someone cheating a coin flip knowing they got 10 flips right in a row. As you can imagine, given the large amount of players and matches with 10 different people per day, those one in a thousand moments are going to be the ones that are getting reported. I think the key is player behaviour, together with how unlikely the thing you just did was. Like for example, even warowl on this video only agrees on cheating when they start following people through the wall and the likes. The rank is also a very important factor. If you see a low elo player check no corners 90% of the round and then getting everything else right and checking the right places with zero info, that could genuinely be a one in a thousand moment because people in low elo already check nothing 90% of the time. However, in a very high elo match seeing the same behaviour can be a dead giveaway. The same thing can happen in reverse, where in high ranks it's less suspicious and low ranks it's more, like kills through smokes. Higher rank players have much better gamesense and can be seen often spamming smokes and getting kills. Some times they get lucky. But lower rank players very often never even look at smokes because they think smokes are walls, much less shoot through them, and then if out of nowhere they shoot through a smoke with zero knowledge and in just a couple of shots with pinpoint accuracy, then it's also a dead giveaway, like the guy shown in the video. Again, it's not just low probability, it's low probability together with out of place player behaviour. The thing is, player behaviour is very consistent. In "true lucky" events, and and "normal" events, the probability of a player showing weird suspicious behaviour throughout the match is very low, while in "cheated lucky" events the probability of showing weird behaviour throughout the match is much higher. So it would be a way to diferentiate between legit 10 flips in a row or cheated 10 flips in a row.
I cheat because everyone else cheats is nothing more than an excuse. Those are the kind of people who were going to cheat *anyway*. It just makes them feel better when they have an excuse
Except in a competitive much and you lose you kinda, derank? For no good reason? I've had players counter cheating before against blatant cheaters, and it kinda makes the whole thing silly & fun. We'd just mid inferno so the cheater will AWP us and immediately our cheater would peak to kill him & crazy shit like this. But yeah, unless its blatant, do NOT counter cheat.
Incorrect. Having cheats pre-installed is necessary at this point. You must police your own lobbies if Valve will not do it. I do not want to have cheats installed, and I would love to be rid of them. But in the case of cheating in a Source game, fire must be fought with fire, as the developers will not use the tools at their disposal.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 Yeah except people can just believe the enemies are cheating and turn on cheats when it's not even happening. Imagine how many less cheaters there would be if all the people who cheated for this reason stopped. It's a shortsighted, shallow, and stupid principle. Makes sense to believe it, but in and of itself, it does not make sense. If you argue against it, it's just mental gymnastics. You shouldn't cheat just because other people do. You're literally becoming the thing you hate for other people, you're doing it to yourself.
@@TheSearchForTruth88u enjoy counter cheating ? Lol pathetic, cs ranking is fake u will not get anything just play with friends lobby like in 1.6 to have fun
Not sure how many FPS communities get hard data on cheater numbers so I will mention this: In Apex Legends season 20 (last season), 33% of the roughly 10,000 players that hit masters and predator (the two highest ranks) were banned for cheating. 33%. And that is just the number that were blatant enough to be caught by manual ban or apex's infamously bad anticheat. For anyone curious, the apex community knows this because you can track the players in masters/pred and so a bot was created to keep a count of all the times accounts mysteriously vanish from that leaderboard.
Tack another 10% to this and you'd probably be close to the real number. In other words, about half the players in the highest ranks don't belong there which is probably true for a lot of popular FPS games. I'm just glad the CS community is catching on because it was much worse in CSGO than a lot of people wanted to admit. More players were simply attempting to be less obvious in case the game went to OW.
@@JJFX- CS was always before the ftp model, a game where yes you could cheat but you would be banned quite fast due to the anti cheat system with overwatch people looking at suspect gameplay. I thoroughly enjoyed banning those fuckers each time I got a clip to watch and judge, 95% were cheaters a few smurfs here and there and some were just lucky shots. It worked pretty well but like every game that you don't breach peoples privacy by looking at what they are running on their pc's without asking, you can't do much about it unfortunately, cheats will always evolve and circumvent the anti cheat after a while in that cat and mouse game they have. The best way is to periodicly go and look for any cheat you can find, sue their asses and run the big cheat corpo's out of business, the few that use custom cheats are either super shit and will be spotted instantly or supergood and almost not noticable but both will be few and far between that its manageable by for instance using stuff like overwatch ban system.
Biggest issue moving forward with overwatch cases is that bot hosters will make overwatch eligible accounts and build trust to break the system. Once they have the majority, it will NEVER work again outside of a manual trusted partner reset.
I mean, it's okay to let them have access, just give priority to the votes of the trusted members, and correlate the votes of the trusted members with other non trusted members to determine who to trust, this is how you grow a pool of 'high trust' users in a voting pool. Let everyone vote, but give different weight to each vote based on how much you trust that they're voting correctly.
@@donkeykong315 a treadmill, so to speak. better to outsource the labor to someone who will regulate it, earn money out of it and be trusted with thier carrers on the chopping block
@@0Blueaura yeah. I guess the more important part of the problem is the convenience and efficiency for Valve. If they deem it too inconvenient for the amount of efficiency, they just wont do it.
Really great video! You should do a similar stream/live where you step through and watch accused cheater matches like this! The thing that comes to mind is what Varsity Gaming does for his “Hacker Replay” series with Rainbow Six. I think it would be very interesting to see something like that for CS2
The overwatch stuff was always my second favorite thing you did, glad to see more of it. My favorite thing was the shoutcasting, but I know that sadly won't be coming back.
It feels like visiting a old friend who is still up to his antics after I've been gone for awhile doing adult things, still chime in from time to time but the OW analyzing is just nostalgia
haven't played CS in ages (and don't have a PC to properly do so rn) but I keep coming back to your videos because they're always good and entertaining. Appreciate the hard work you're pouring into them. Keep it up my dude
Overwatch was (probably) outsourced to an unknown company for manual review. A reference to a training manual was leaked in the overwatch menu text. I think another problem was there were too many overwatch exploits that cheaters could abuse to mess up vacnet.
Valve doesn't care about cheaters. Never has, never will. At the end of the day, cheaters are still paying customers on Valve's quarterly earnings report hence why they just let them run amok. Why ban them and shut off a source of revenue?
I stopped playing CS2 even though I was only playing casuals, since I don't have the time to commit to competitive. The cheater situation is so out of hand that when I pull clutches in casuals I get votekicked by the whole team because I'm "suspicious". Listening to footsteps, gamesense, any sort of info is out the window for everyone else. Guess I just have cheats installed into my brain
Hey WarOwl have you seen Shounic's recent video on FixTF2? Would be interesting to get the CS community's input on his theories about what Valve could do to address this problem across all their games, particularly his theory about Overwatch now being trained by a hired company as opposed to users since cheaters found a way to exploit the system.
These videos are my favoriter videos from you. 1. You bann cheaters, 2. You explain what you look for and how they are cheating, 3. You are funny while doing it, 4. They are reasonebly short/long 👏
NGL, I personally think the TF2 community is acting really cringe lately. Their game is old as shit, didn't get any attention from valve in forever and all of a sudden they think they have the right to review bomb other games on steam just because they're unhappy with their game? It's not just childish behaviour, it's kindergarten behaviour.
@@catdisc5304no they are absolutely not, doesn't matter how old it is, if valve monetizes the game, thwn they gotta keep up maintenance too, also there is literally straight up no game that can replicate this gaming experience, you as a CS player should understand this. For last I'm Just gonna point out the fact that these bot hosters are committing real life crimes, are inflating the game economy and many other horrible things aaaand review bombing other games that aren't TF2 is not part of the movement so yea. Blame the individuals
@@alegz8293 doesn't matter if it's the actual community or bad actors, it's cringe either way. The only logical solution for valve will be to shut the game down entirely. You're right, it doesn't matter how old it is, if they monetize it, then they should also maintain it. But they don't. So they probably will abandon it completely soon
@@catdisc5304 they cannot shut down the game. That's the stupidest opinion I have heard on this. People have invested thousands upon thousands of dollars in the game if they were to shut it down, all of that would become worthless and the whole community market would destabilaze.Not just TF2 market, all markets, because tf2 items are still being trade inbetween these games for other stuff or just sold for ya know.... money. Not to mention of what kind of an example it would show to players of other Valve games like Dota or CS2. If they can just shut down tf2 and make all your items worthless, why wouldn't they do it with literally any of their other games. Nope that's just simply not happening buddy.
@@catdisc5304 and yes it matters who is doing it, because you are calling out the entire movement, however it is only a few bad apples who do this. You can't apply this to us all cause we, as the movement, are not doing this or supporting this.
brooo green in the 2nd demo being like, "do i call u wh? no, ur just a kid who couldnt handle Top J-s skill" when he literally rage toggled because he thought the other team was walling
@@JustAnother_No_One I always played vanilla no-additions on Steam, so had the worst experiences even with Prime enabled for years. Roughly 5 years ago a guy even ddosed my entire team during a competitive match lol.
I'm 1900 elo on faceit and I'm chilling. Though I play mm / premiere with friends and sometimes wingman... can say there are a ton of cheaters there.. 650 games on faceit 0 cheaters, only smurfs in lower elos / boosted accs or leavers etc. Ofc more toxicity but your mental is broken if you can't handle it or mute them - EU
I've giving up playing ranked a long time ago. Not only because my usual group disbanded, or because of the toxicity of random players, but lastly due to the undeniable cheating problem. Please keep posting related videos to raise the awareness until Valve has to do something useful against it!
they said they are working on fixing it. take that as you will. Valve will NOT comment on what they are doing to specifically counter the cheating, as they(and everyone else) sees obfuscation as the best defense.
This is what tinfoil hat esports viewers think they're doing when a pro randomly and coincidentally puts their cursor over an enemy's outline on the spectator view and they go "tHey'Re cHeatiNg!!!"
@@TheWarOwl to clarify, what i meant is that when random viewers accuse pros of cheating, they don't fully analyze the gameplay and instead just point at one out of context clip, *unlike* what you're doing here which analyzes consistent and repeated suspicious behavior that can't be explained by game sense or luck. Sorry if i caused a misunderstanding! Great video ❤️
@@Pyxyty Call me what you want. The pro scene has been made up of mostly cheaters since the game first exploded back in 2014. Ever since there was real money to be made, all of a sudden everyone started pulling off humanly impossible feats, and having inhuman instinct. None of it is legit.
Valve giving you access to Overwatch would be good publicity for them, since it would show it does exist, it does work, and give the public eye a representation of that.
I agree, just make Overwatch a self-contained CS2 minigame, together with scoreboards and "detective ranks". The best ranked "detectives" could then annotate clips and sooner or later we will get a deep-learning-backed VAC system. And then the ban hammer shall fall without mercy.
8:05: You started talking about Steam profiles and VAC bans (indicated by red text). In an Overwatch patch, they removed this information from all Steam profiles. This change was made so that cheat developers could not track ban waves by looking up profiles, and bans would only be known through customer reports
Hovered around 20k on premier since CS2 launched and it feels like every other game has at least one cheater. There's even been games where half the server is cheating and it's just ridiculous. Feels like I'm stuck in low trust factor permanently.
I missed the good ol' days that me and my friend are playing in a internet cafe and no cheats can be execute unless someone peeks at your monitor to know where you are
I'd vouch for generally having old/current pro players or youtubers who are under the scrutiny of their respective communities to be the ones to be doing the overwatch. For them it brings a certain exclusive content to produce and they generally have the best idea wether or not someone is cheating. They can even include and educate their viewers on how to see wether or not someone is cheating rather than blatently pointing the finger at everyone who happened to hit you through a wall or one tapped you.
In CSGO, I used to do tons of overwatch, not because of content (not a youtuber), but simply because I truly like doing it, and I tried my best to make my judgement as accurate as possible... After some time, I felt like my opinion was getting more weight, as I pretty much banned a cheater every day (or at least I believe that, cus every time I opened the game, there was a message saying that, and to play any match to get my xp reward for that), I always thought the same as you, have a badge, that way people will try better to be precise on their judgement... Really miss overwatch and can't wait to have thi feature back
why do I feel like WarOwl's beard makes him look like one of those characters in shows that gets a beard while going through a rough period in the story. It looks good and somewhat familiar, except it also checks out with the way CS2 is doing at the moment.
"I think he should be banned from the game just for this view model" Thank you, these weird view models are killing me, super distracting and I feel like some are actually giving me motion sickness when I'm spectating. Valve please let us disable them.
To be honest i love watching back my games and confirming whether someone was cheating or not if i got overwatch access id probably spend more time doing that than actually playing lol
"Could be worse, we could be TF2" Ouch bro, ouch.
Salt right in the wound
Ye, that hurt
Makes me think of the review bombing crisis (some TF2 trolls are doing negative reviews with “#fixTF2” in them on other valve games.)
That stung hard lol
@@UnorthodoxYannick It's only supposed to be on TF2 reviews, but yeah doing it on other games is just not right.
Damn that final TF2 line hits hard...
It really does :( #FixTF2
#FixTF2
Real af #fixtf2
#FixTF2
and valve is out making third person overwatch with um ziplines 😭
6:47 overpass looks a lot more different after they removed it from the pool
yeah, it looks a lot like Vertigo for some reason.
They have just put a lot of effort in revamping it.
maybe they combined Overpass and Vertigo. Explains the new A site.
We have got a whole city around damn
Yeah this new overpass is OP
"It could be worse, we could be Team Fortress 2."
Okay, Warowl, you didnt need to kick us when we're already down, jeez...
It was insane back in the day how "The Suspect" was cheating and getting caught in every overwatch case. That guy was on a spree
Lol I see what you did there
Wow, that is an old reference, can't believe the overwatch videos were already 6 years ago. Good stuff as always!
I miss the Noir and cowboy impressions from those ngl
Missed these
Winning a single coin flip is 50/50 but winning 5/6/7 in a row is usually a dead giveaway.
yep!
@@TheWarOwl just wanna say you're a great creator
that gave me a really funny idea. For every situation where there a multiple angles a person can come from, count them up per user, the probability of them getting it right, and how many they did, and then calculate the distributions and do a hypothesis test and shit to see whether theres sufficient evidence to say theyre cheating lol
Funnily enough, a giveaway that someone is fabricating data is the absence of low probability outcomes like a coin flip landing heads 6 times in a row. Humans simply are not programmed to understand the independence of chance intuitively, probably because in nature most chances aren’t truly independent.
I don't want to be that guy, but that is not enough. There might be a 1% chance of something unlikely happening and the guy looking like they are cheating for a single event or match, but you are only analyzing a single match which you know for a fact before you even watch it that there is something suspicious, otherwise you wouldn't be watching them.
Essentially, you want to find the probability of cheating while looking suspicious, or given your coin flip analogy, the probability of someone cheating a coin flip knowing they got 10 flips right in a row. As you can imagine, given the large amount of players and matches with 10 different people per day, those one in a thousand moments are going to be the ones that are getting reported.
I think the key is player behaviour, together with how unlikely the thing you just did was. Like for example, even warowl on this video only agrees on cheating when they start following people through the wall and the likes.
The rank is also a very important factor. If you see a low elo player check no corners 90% of the round and then getting everything else right and checking the right places with zero info, that could genuinely be a one in a thousand moment because people in low elo already check nothing 90% of the time. However, in a very high elo match seeing the same behaviour can be a dead giveaway.
The same thing can happen in reverse, where in high ranks it's less suspicious and low ranks it's more, like kills through smokes. Higher rank players have much better gamesense and can be seen often spamming smokes and getting kills. Some times they get lucky. But lower rank players very often never even look at smokes because they think smokes are walls, much less shoot through them, and then if out of nowhere they shoot through a smoke with zero knowledge and in just a couple of shots with pinpoint accuracy, then it's also a dead giveaway, like the guy shown in the video. Again, it's not just low probability, it's low probability together with out of place player behaviour. The thing is, player behaviour is very consistent. In "true lucky" events, and and "normal" events, the probability of a player showing weird suspicious behaviour throughout the match is very low, while in "cheated lucky" events the probability of showing weird behaviour throughout the match is much higher. So it would be a way to diferentiate between legit 10 flips in a row or cheated 10 flips in a row.
1:08 i was expecting a "What a Nooooooooooob!"
True, he missed the opportunity
video when?
Yo Franz, see that little electrical box right there?
Oh man, I miss that. Can you do it again in the future videos? @Warowl?
franky presento
6:47 I'm glad valve brought back overpass with some minor changes
Same
Yeah I like it
I cheat because everyone else cheats is nothing more than an excuse.
Those are the kind of people who were going to cheat *anyway*.
It just makes them feel better when they have an excuse
Except in a competitive much and you lose you kinda, derank? For no good reason?
I've had players counter cheating before against blatant cheaters, and it kinda makes the whole thing silly & fun.
We'd just mid inferno so the cheater will AWP us and immediately our cheater would peak to kill him & crazy shit like this.
But yeah, unless its blatant, do NOT counter cheat.
Incorrect. Having cheats pre-installed is necessary at this point. You must police your own lobbies if Valve will not do it. I do not want to have cheats installed, and I would love to be rid of them. But in the case of cheating in a Source game, fire must be fought with fire, as the developers will not use the tools at their disposal.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 Yeah except people can just believe the enemies are cheating and turn on cheats when it's not even happening. Imagine how many less cheaters there would be if all the people who cheated for this reason stopped. It's a shortsighted, shallow, and stupid principle. Makes sense to believe it, but in and of itself, it does not make sense. If you argue against it, it's just mental gymnastics. You shouldn't cheat just because other people do. You're literally becoming the thing you hate for other people, you're doing it to yourself.
@@ronnie9379 The alternative is to just not play, which I don't want to do, because I enjoy the game.
@@TheSearchForTruth88u enjoy counter cheating ? Lol pathetic, cs ranking is fake u will not get anything just play with friends lobby like in 1.6 to have fun
Not sure how many FPS communities get hard data on cheater numbers so I will mention this: In Apex Legends season 20 (last season), 33% of the roughly 10,000 players that hit masters and predator (the two highest ranks) were banned for cheating. 33%. And that is just the number that were blatant enough to be caught by manual ban or apex's infamously bad anticheat.
For anyone curious, the apex community knows this because you can track the players in masters/pred and so a bot was created to keep a count of all the times accounts mysteriously vanish from that leaderboard.
Tack another 10% to this and you'd probably be close to the real number. In other words, about half the players in the highest ranks don't belong there which is probably true for a lot of popular FPS games. I'm just glad the CS community is catching on because it was much worse in CSGO than a lot of people wanted to admit. More players were simply attempting to be less obvious in case the game went to OW.
@@JJFX- CS was always before the ftp model, a game where yes you could cheat but you would be banned quite fast due to the anti cheat system with overwatch people looking at suspect gameplay. I thoroughly enjoyed banning those fuckers each time I got a clip to watch and judge, 95% were cheaters a few smurfs here and there and some were just lucky shots. It worked pretty well but like every game that you don't breach peoples privacy by looking at what they are running on their pc's without asking, you can't do much about it unfortunately, cheats will always evolve and circumvent the anti cheat after a while in that cat and mouse game they have. The best way is to periodicly go and look for any cheat you can find, sue their asses and run the big cheat corpo's out of business, the few that use custom cheats are either super shit and will be spotted instantly or supergood and almost not noticable but both will be few and far between that its manageable by for instance using stuff like overwatch ban system.
@@JJFX-wow
6:46 Wait Overpass is back! It looks different, though.
It's still in competitive just not premiere
@Orangr its not overpass, but vertigom
@@WayStedYou dawg what
@@Orangrhe called vertigo overpass in the vid
Dude the final TF2 line was wild 💀
Deadlock will be absolutely infested by cheaters when it releases
Você por aqui professor? Ah, e sim, deadlock já vai nascer morto, já que a Valve tem um belo histórico de ser péssima com anticheats
@@nakazaki_ e ae! Sim, eu acho que se o jogo durar um ano vai ser muito.
Tomara que sim pra eles tomarem vergonha na cara.
@@deltahl tomara
Finally a new overwatch episode
If a year goes by and there's still no Overwatch I just want WarOwl to start dropping lists of account names every week like Wikileaks
Yup
The cheaters with ZERO map knowledge crack me up
Biggest issue moving forward with overwatch cases is that bot hosters will make overwatch eligible accounts and build trust to break the system. Once they have the majority, it will NEVER work again outside of a manual trusted partner reset.
Valve has already said that they're going that direction. I believe 3clicks talked about it at one point.
I mean, it's okay to let them have access, just give priority to the votes of the trusted members, and correlate the votes of the trusted members with other non trusted members to determine who to trust, this is how you grow a pool of 'high trust' users in a voting pool.
Let everyone vote, but give different weight to each vote based on how much you trust that they're voting correctly.
@@iPuls3 this is still very exploitable without a decent amount of manual effort.
@@donkeykong315 a treadmill, so to speak. better to outsource the labor to someone who will regulate it, earn money out of it and be trusted with thier carrers on the chopping block
@@0Blueaura yeah. I guess the more important part of the problem is the convenience and efficiency for Valve. If they deem it too inconvenient for the amount of efficiency, they just wont do it.
Really great video! You should do a similar stream/live where you step through and watch accused cheater matches like this! The thing that comes to mind is what Varsity Gaming does for his “Hacker Replay” series with Rainbow Six. I think it would be very interesting to see something like that for CS2
thanks for the suggestion, maybe I will do this for some stream content for a WarOwl Wednesday if I don't feel like playing CS2 that day
@@TheWarOwlhi mom
Valve has unintentionally implemented Owlwatch successfully
I think the longer CS2 is out, the more I realize how much I miss 2014-2016 CS:GO
6:18 either a good scolding teammate or crazy internal monologue
"We could be tf2" ow.
uncalled for man, uncalled for.
The overwatch stuff was always my second favorite thing you did, glad to see more of it.
My favorite thing was the shoutcasting, but I know that sadly won't be coming back.
'we could be team fortress 2'
...damn
Wife is in labor...but WarOwl posted...life is filled with hard choices...
Birth can wait.
But jokes aside, congrats!
@@kaksspl I lied
@@inception1695 Congrats!
@@inception1695 Right, I forgot we're CS players. We don't do wives.
@@kaksspl if we spent the energy we spent on Competitive SoloQ CS in college we probably would've gotten Nobel prizes :P
They are clearly not cheating, just a good gaming chair and a little luck.
Btw glad I met you in Dallas; my life is finally complete.
Dont forget the LEDs, its all about the LEDs they give you better aim and FPS
It feels like visiting a old friend who is still up to his antics after I've been gone for awhile doing adult things, still chime in from time to time but the OW analyzing is just nostalgia
"If you're gonna be a loser, atleast be lovable." Gave me so much hope in myself because atleast I can take it on the chin, no diddy.
haven't played CS in ages (and don't have a PC to properly do so rn) but I keep coming back to your videos because they're always good and entertaining. Appreciate the hard work you're pouring into them. Keep it up my dude
The TF2 mention. Stand strong brothers... we'll get through this together :,(
#FixTF2 :'D
Yessss finally a content that I enjoy watching and it's long enough to not considered a RUclips short !!!
Overwatch was (probably) outsourced to an unknown company for manual review. A reference to a training manual was leaked in the overwatch menu text. I think another problem was there were too many overwatch exploits that cheaters could abuse to mess up vacnet.
Valve doesn't care about cheaters. Never has, never will. At the end of the day, cheaters are still paying customers on Valve's quarterly earnings report hence why they just let them run amok. Why ban them and shut off a source of revenue?
Glad you're still making CS content. I still remember when you quit your job for full-time CS content.
I stopped playing CS2 even though I was only playing casuals, since I don't have the time to commit to competitive. The cheater situation is so out of hand that when I pull clutches in casuals I get votekicked by the whole team because I'm "suspicious". Listening to footsteps, gamesense, any sort of info is out the window for everyone else. Guess I just have cheats installed into my brain
That viewmodel makes my eyes hurt. Respect for WarOwl
Hey WarOwl have you seen Shounic's recent video on FixTF2? Would be interesting to get the CS community's input on his theories about what Valve could do to address this problem across all their games, particularly his theory about Overwatch now being trained by a hired company as opposed to users since cheaters found a way to exploit the system.
I am so happy that detective Warowl is back on the over watch cases. I love those videos. Thank you sir!
The game is really unplayable at this point. Blatant Aimboting man with obviously sus Accounts it makes you disgusted
The Overwatch vids are always my favorite. The noir flair is something I can tell you enjoy, hopefully Valve brings it back and there can be more
Never get tired of hearing Green Hill Zone's theme pop up when a cheater decides to speedrun proving what he's up to.
These videos are my favoriter videos from you. 1. You bann cheaters, 2. You explain what you look for and how they are cheating, 3. You are funny while doing it, 4. They are reasonebly short/long 👏
Tf2 mention!
Also, i always wonder what song you use for the detective bit
Thx for the really fun video man! I was feeling a little down and I can't stop smiling watching this hahah!
That tf2 comment was unnecessary :(
NGL, I personally think the TF2 community is acting really cringe lately.
Their game is old as shit, didn't get any attention from valve in forever and all of a sudden they think they have the right to review bomb other games on steam just because they're unhappy with their game?
It's not just childish behaviour, it's kindergarten behaviour.
@@catdisc5304no they are absolutely not, doesn't matter how old it is, if valve monetizes the game, thwn they gotta keep up maintenance too, also there is literally straight up no game that can replicate this gaming experience, you as a CS player should understand this. For last I'm Just gonna point out the fact that these bot hosters are committing real life crimes, are inflating the game economy and many other horrible things aaaand review bombing other games that aren't TF2 is not part of the movement so yea. Blame the individuals
@@alegz8293 doesn't matter if it's the actual community or bad actors, it's cringe either way. The only logical solution for valve will be to shut the game down entirely.
You're right, it doesn't matter how old it is, if they monetize it, then they should also maintain it. But they don't. So they probably will abandon it completely soon
@@catdisc5304 they cannot shut down the game. That's the stupidest opinion I have heard on this. People have invested thousands upon thousands of dollars in the game if they were to shut it down, all of that would become worthless and the whole community market would destabilaze.Not just TF2 market, all markets, because tf2 items are still being trade inbetween these games for other stuff or just sold for ya know.... money. Not to mention of what kind of an example it would show to players of other Valve games like Dota or CS2. If they can just shut down tf2 and make all your items worthless, why wouldn't they do it with literally any of their other games.
Nope that's just simply not happening buddy.
@@catdisc5304 and yes it matters who is doing it, because you are calling out the entire movement, however it is only a few bad apples who do this. You can't apply this to us all cause we, as the movement, are not doing this or supporting this.
brooo green in the 2nd demo being like, "do i call u wh? no, ur just a kid who couldnt handle Top J-s skill" when he literally rage toggled because he thought the other team was walling
Haven't played CS2 since it's been called CS2... is it still just as horrible and full of scam-bots adding you every time you have over a $5 skin?
I am playing faceit 4 days a week
0 problems
It's ok if your inventory is private
I also only play FACEIT. For the sake of English-speaking players and effective anti-cheat.
@@JustAnother_No_One I always played vanilla no-additions on Steam, so had the worst experiences even with Prime enabled for years. Roughly 5 years ago a guy even ddosed my entire team during a competitive match lol.
Yep, they killed CSGO and replaced it with this joke of an "update". Sad. I miss CSGO.
I'm 1900 elo on faceit and I'm chilling. Though I play mm / premiere with friends and sometimes wingman... can say there are a ton of cheaters there.. 650 games on faceit 0 cheaters, only smurfs in lower elos / boosted accs or leavers etc. Ofc more toxicity but your mental is broken if you can't handle it or mute them - EU
I've giving up playing ranked a long time ago. Not only because my usual group disbanded, or because of the toxicity of random players, but lastly due to the undeniable cheating problem. Please keep posting related videos to raise the awareness until Valve has to do something useful against it!
I think at a certain point, you need to uninstall the game. having to wallhack in a 3k rating lobby is kind of sad.
Kind of???
why cant valve either
A: come out and say "we're not gonna fix it" or
B: come out and say "we can't fix it."
they said they are working on fixing it. take that as you will.
Valve will NOT comment on what they are doing to specifically counter the cheating, as they(and everyone else) sees obfuscation as the best defense.
Noir Smart returns at last
6:46 to 7:02 Always love to see different variations of WarOwl's "OH NOOOOO!" 🤣
CS2 content is always cheating related. THIS IS SAD
we need a warowl and neok cheater investigation collab
6:40 overpass?
The first suspect screams:"i toggled because you toggled" while using wall from the first round
When will you work on de_amigo?
I'm glad I'm also able to sus out these guys alongside WarOwl using WarOwl's own gamesense logic he taught me.
9:10 :(
#FixTF2
As if Valve is gonna do anything related TF2 anymore. I've seen hackers posts their cheats unshamefully public
This is what tinfoil hat esports viewers think they're doing when a pro randomly and coincidentally puts their cursor over an enemy's outline on the spectator view and they go "tHey'Re cHeatiNg!!!"
that's why I look for a pattern of behavior. I also have played and watched enough of this game, analyzing pro demos, that I know what to look for.
@@TheWarOwl to clarify, what i meant is that when random viewers accuse pros of cheating, they don't fully analyze the gameplay and instead just point at one out of context clip, *unlike* what you're doing here which analyzes consistent and repeated suspicious behavior that can't be explained by game sense or luck.
Sorry if i caused a misunderstanding! Great video ❤️
Most of the pro scene is cheating though.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 hey! Wouldya look at that, here's one of them tinfoil hat viewers now!
@@Pyxyty Call me what you want. The pro scene has been made up of mostly cheaters since the game first exploded back in 2014. Ever since there was real money to be made, all of a sudden everyone started pulling off humanly impossible feats, and having inhuman instinct. None of it is legit.
Valve giving you access to Overwatch would be good publicity for them, since it would show it does exist, it does work, and give the public eye a representation of that.
1:25 This view model looks like the OG Medal of Honor games lol
cool to see you making counter strike content still, Bratty! unfortunate how many cheaters there are these days
I agree, just make Overwatch a self-contained CS2 minigame, together with scoreboards and "detective ranks". The best ranked "detectives" could then annotate clips and sooner or later we will get a deep-learning-backed VAC system. And then the ban hammer shall fall without mercy.
When warowl uploads life just gets better
8:05: You started talking about Steam profiles and VAC bans (indicated by red text). In an Overwatch patch, they removed this information from all Steam profiles. This change was made so that cheat developers could not track ban waves by looking up profiles, and bans would only be known through customer reports
Having a mini game inside of cs2 with overwatch is such a great idea
love the use of starcraft 2 sountrack
keep going mister owl
the star craft sound track hit me like a truck
3:30 New game invented by Valve: Counter-Cheat. Instead of VAC bans, they're just stuck in CC
4:16 ouch, felt that one personally.
Amazing thumbnail. Keep that part up, good sir!
love your usage of littlebigplanet music in your videos
Hovered around 20k on premier since CS2 launched and it feels like every other game has at least one cheater. There's even been games where half the server is cheating and it's just ridiculous.
Feels like I'm stuck in low trust factor permanently.
It would be even more time effective to judge suspects if Valve add a time stamp to the kills time line when a report came in from the enemy.
They should also weigh judgment from high total playtime accounts.
These accounts love the game.
From what I’ve heard, the problem with Overwatch was it got hijacked by bad actors.
I really love the LittleBigPlanet music in the background!
This thumbnail is a work of art
Suspect: is obviously cheating (but not bhoping around with aimbots)
WarOwl: that was fine.
I missed the good ol' days that me and my friend are playing in a internet cafe and no cheats can be execute unless someone peeks at your monitor to know where you are
The day the cheating issue stops in cs2 is the day thewarowl will finally get closure
I literally spit my drink out when you said that last line
S-tier thumbnail, S-tier content. BRING BACK OVERWATCH VALVE AND LET THIS MAN CROOK!
I'd vouch for generally having old/current pro players or youtubers who are under the scrutiny of their respective communities to be the ones to be doing the overwatch. For them it brings a certain exclusive content to produce and they generally have the best idea wether or not someone is cheating. They can even include and educate their viewers on how to see wether or not someone is cheating rather than blatently pointing the finger at everyone who happened to hit you through a wall or one tapped you.
The overwatch ranking idea is genius
Holy shit I am going to make an overwatch application
Sometimes your opponent is having a good day.
9:52 "If you're gonna be a loser at least be loveable." Ah yes, the "Ted Lasso" strategy.
In CSGO, I used to do tons of overwatch, not because of content (not a youtuber), but simply because I truly like doing it, and I tried my best to make my judgement as accurate as possible... After some time, I felt like my opinion was getting more weight, as I pretty much banned a cheater every day (or at least I believe that, cus every time I opened the game, there was a message saying that, and to play any match to get my xp reward for that), I always thought the same as you, have a badge, that way people will try better to be precise on their judgement... Really miss overwatch and can't wait to have thi feature back
They're so cold-hearted they can't even make the detective work fun...
TheWarOwl be like: We got a cheater in overpass
Clearly vertigo 😂
When Overwatch isn't working, Warowl creates his own
A slight return of Noir Smart
why do I feel like WarOwl's beard makes him look like one of those characters in shows that gets a beard while going through a rough period in the story. It looks good and somewhat familiar, except it also checks out with the way CS2 is doing at the moment.
"I think he should be banned from the game just for this view model" Thank you, these weird view models are killing me, super distracting and I feel like some are actually giving me motion sickness when I'm spectating. Valve please let us disable them.
I think this hack footage review is a good form for you. Plenty of other youtubers do it but without the charisma and entertaining format.
i was like it's been a month without warowl a few hours ago:D
To be honest i love watching back my games and confirming whether someone was cheating or not if i got overwatch access id probably spend more time doing that than actually playing lol
"Case number for takes us to OVERPASS"
*shows vertigo*
hold upppp
6:45