Wish I could be part of that new generation of CS players, but I just ain't got time for a game that requires as much learning and practice as CS. Maybe if I was okay with being stuck in Silver hell forever, which I'm not.
Guide is all wrong Glock is the best starting pistol by far Nova and xm are much better than mac and mp by far (and almost have the same range as them + peeker's advantage is making them crazy strong + economy benefits are insane) Negev is absolutely amazing and can destroy entire teams Rest nothing major is left to talk about, 1 main rifle and awp
I mean... I can use it effectively on a variety of maps at 2600 elo and 17000 rating. It works REALLY good paired with a running right click flash around a corner as early as possible in a round. It makes people SO mad in high elo.
Imagine ur CT on Inferno and a full 5 man rush comes banana, with the Bizon i can sweep the whole lobby before i have to reload while with the mac-10 i maybe get 2-3 and die while reloading. yes its a bit more expensive but having basically unlimited ammo allows me to play more agressive rotations especially on CT. I know this gun is more a meme, thats also why my duo and i picked the gun in Wingman first, we learned the way of holding LMB and W to perfection. Now in MM in force rounds we push certain spots with 1 flash in each hand and its gg good.
The teacher of Counter Strike is here! It has been a long while, I still recall the times where I follow everything you say without a doubt. After countless hours, to this video, there are differing views and I will make different choices from what is recommended. Though I follow no more, I remain grateful for all that you have taught us all. Thank you, Warowl
Idk why this hit me so hard. A new generation of warowl tutorials just took me wayyyyy back to 2015 for a moment. Can't wait for more, keep up the great work
Ive barely played csgo but i remember watching your videos like 6 years ago so its weirdly nostalgic sidenote: this man will never have a closer its been so long
While the MP9 is vastly easier to use and more effective than the mag7, there’s one advantage that the latter has. It causes so much fear in an uncoordinated team that it can stop a team push after they hear their entry getting obliterated by a shot to the face. Just like an awp, the fear factor it can have is not something to scoff at.
Sure, but you can also use the autoshotty which i would argue might be even more effective at stopping uncoordinated/uncommitted pushes. When your enemies hear the mag, they might be bold enough to try to catch you before you can fire your next shot. With the autoshotty, they know you can react immediately and repeat fire almost instantly.
@@Likexner well, you have to consider the cost as well. Autoshotty is 2k while the mag is only 1.3k. With the extra money, you can buy armor or some grenades. Also, the autoshotty isn’t typically a weapon you use for eco or light buys, that is, unless you’re the only one in the team strapped with cash. But if you are, it might make more sense to drop pistols or 2 mp9s to your team mates instead, spreading the damage potential to the team rather than just yourself But if you have money, the autoshotty is obviously superior, that’s a no brainer
@@Cyan-hide True. You bring up good points. I myself am a big fan of the autoshotty. Its not based purely on its objective effectiveness. I started using it because i was bored of always using the usual weapons and i found that i was actually pretty decent with it. I also find headshots with shotties more satisfying than with any other weapon. One benefit it has in CS2 that it didnt have in CSGO is that it creates big holes in smokes. If you coordinate with a teammate, you can spam the autoshotty while your teammate looks through the hole and takes precise shots with his rifle or smg instead of just wildly spraying through the smoke.
I've suddenly decided to learn how to play this game, and have been looking for guides. I kept reading comments about you making tutorials for a long time, so I checked your channel and saw some Minecraft videos and Terraria vid from 12 years ago, those are my favorite games so you have my respect sir! Edit: He's also really funny!
Always love a good tutorial from you Warowl, I always rewatch your old videos when I'm getting back into the game after a long time away. Keep up the great work
Real, I think the delay is actually beneficial for players like me where I overthink the shot or am bad at counter strafing. It helps me slow down my brain and focus on landing the shot
When we have more weapons introduced to cs2 i think this loadout will be way more useful. Each one in the team will have a role and their loadout will be different. I find this to be really cool to Counter Strike.
they need a semi auto 3 hit kill weapon for like 4000. maybe M14 for CT and FAL for T. Or if they dont want to ruin the balance maybe just introduce a gun variant but exactly the same stats, such as replacing the AWP for like a TAC-50 and they can make a new shit ton of skins for that
@@TheTriangle444if they add a dmr into the game, the roles would be reversed(fal to ct, m14 for t). Also we already have dmr's in CS aka AUTOSNIPERS. If they add non scoped auto snipers for cheap prices, they would lose a shit ton of players and money. CS needs a High tier weapon that would act as a bridge between M4/AK and AWP other than SG and AUG(which are shit) but I doubt that it Will be a Dmr(again).
YES, glad you are making tutorials and this one specifically is one I’ve been still trying to wrap my head around. Getting the basics is easy, but then figuring out the weird extra shotguns/smg’s.
Yeah, if you're not peaking, it's pretty solid. You can spam smokes, take on multiple attackers without reloading, and fake pushes. Don't let the less creative people ruin your fun, lol.
Idk how it hasn't been realized but since the revolver is now not replacing the deagle, its actually a pocket scout for only $600, insanely good running accuracy and barely any damage fall of long range if you're an awper and it litterally is just like how you would play a scout, be annoying and make everyone one shot in the body for your team if you cant buy. Then use the deagle as a backup weapon as normal. The R8 actually has a use case now that it doesn't replace the deagle
thanks for the video, ill definitely change some parts of my loadout now! And thanks again for actually taking the time to show all weapons without any fancy skins. I think new players will appreciate not being pushed more into buying skins than they already are.
Revoler is a strange weapon. It's a pocket scout and can do pretty nasty stuff with its two-hit body kills, great running accuracy and and accuracy overall when you charge. SCAR also has a place for CT coz they are defenders and SCAR is good at accepting pushes
I found myself having more fun using the R8 than the Deagle, it's not easier per se but the amount of times I used it made me feel more used to it... also its funny headshotting someone with an awp at long range using the funny pistol.
@@alexpivniouk8421Deagle can't two-hit into armored chest, it will take 3 hits. Awp is good but not that good when multiple people are rushing the coridor. And you can't always hit, don't flatter yourself
@@janterri3539 But it doesn't mean you shouldn't take anything else. And I'm willing to see more guns in CS because I hate how for 20 goddamn years we all revolve around 3 guns, AK, M4 and AWP with Deagle on secondary. It's just boring. Even in Quake there is more diversity in guns inside the same holy trinity of rocket launcher, lightning gun and railgun due to different mechanics but in CS we have two automatic rifles and a sniper, cool, love it. That's why I tend not to buy AK in my games just to feel more diversity
The negev is actually pretty good on T side for after plant. It's also just stupid with follow recoil on. Being able to just mag dump at an angle for 12 seconds is very useful since it wastes time for the CTs. I play retakes a lot and doing this is extremely lame, but it works.
I’ve won so many rounds off the r8, I think it’s immensely slept on as an eco weapon. It’s cheaper than the deagle and even if you don’t hit a headshot or kill if you tag three opponents in the chest and die it still sets up your team so well to win rounds because hitting anything with the r8 guarantees that enemy is going to die in one or two shots.
I feel like it at least needs an increase in accuracy. Its more or less only good at distance, but its still inaccurate enough to miss if you aim for the head or not centre on the body.
As a new player starting in CS2 I have been bingeing your CSGO content. I love your videos, especially the ones where you record your full matches and talk through your thought process and what you think is going well vs what is your teams weaknesses. Good luck with the CS2 content !!
About the Revolver. It is ACTUALLY useful on the CT side, especially on maps with long range, such as Nuke or Inferno. You can drop a lot of kills by quick-peeking with it. Also, the auto-sniper can be useful in certain situations, but only on the CT side, and it is very map and position-dependant (works well on Nuke, Mirage B-site, and on Ancient A-site)
ngl I don't even play csgo and cs2 but I love your content. it was the cs:cz missions that got me in your channel and the custom games you play with your friends, and I love the more educational vids as well.
My loadout has the r8 for one particular lifestyle rule for CS. If I want to buy the scout, I buy the r8. Does the same amount of damage, but you save a lot of money. I tend to buy the nova and the r8 on force buys when I'm on CT. 🤠
Wow a classic WarOwl throwback style video, this has given me so much nostalgia to when I was only around 12/13 watching how to manage my money in CS.. wow
I remember watching the OG csgo tutorials and now I get to rewatch these now that I hit global and faceit 10. Thank you so much for getting me into the game and helping so many other players as well! Never going to stop watching this channel, constantly evolving and entertaining content. Also the Ark of the Covenant joke BASED
Please Warowl. These tutorials are the reason I started watching your videos. Make more of them. Maybe about maps, maybe about specific playstyles, maybe about certain weapons. I dun care. Just teach us your ways. Please and thanks!
The ammount of disrespect the revolver is getting is insane. Now that you dont have to choose it over a deagle it can be a really good pocket scout for only 600$, only downside being its delay but how cheap it is makes it worth it. Also its running accuracy makes it good for t side.
If you get good with the R8, it's basically a half price scout - with how OP moving around is in CS2, playing peek/unpeek on CT side with an R8 and spamming a two shot full-sprint body shot kill on full buying players at medium to long range is a bit busted I think it's being slept on a bit just because of its meme status, sort of like how the SG and AUG were for a long time. It's very cheap for what it does - which is "scare the hell out of full buying players who get tagged once by it without killing you"
@@Anom597 yeah in your console type the following: bind [key] “toggle [command]” In my case I used: bind MOUSE4 “toggle cl_crosshair_recoil” At least that’s what I remember
@@Anom597 Here you go: bind "mouse4" "incrementvar cl_crosshair_recoil 0 1 1; toggle cl_crosshaircolor 0 4" just change mouse4 with whatever bind you want and you can remove the cl_crosshaircolor, that's just so it changes the colour of the crosshair when you activate it (i think it's nice).
Been watching your content for a long time and I have incredible respect for you dude. Your videos have kept up with the times and your jokes are just so tasteful. Love your work, and I barely play CS anymore! Your videos are just so entertaining, keep it up!
Since i never use the dualies or cz i actually have the r8 equipped instead: it's difficult to use due to the delay but in niche situations such as outside nuke or mid on mirage where there is a lot of distance between the enemy and me i actually find myself either doing enough damage that my teammates can finish enemies off, or straight up kill my enemy due to the perfect accuracy. I usually buy the p250 on ecos though, because the r8 is INCREDIBLY niche.
When your sure the enemy team is on a full eco, bb bizon is a monster. ou run just as fast as with you knife, got 64 rounds. its hard to counter, because you enemy is hardstuck in aimpunsh.
Very good and useful video, even for non-beginners. I have almost 1k hours, and i learned a couple of new things. I like the approach to CT rifles. But most importantly, it is absolutely brilliant to toggle follow recoil. I never thought of that. I love it for pistols and smgs, but don't like it for rifles, but now i can have my cake and eat it!
I'm really happy that my gun choices were very close to yours even without all of your knowledge and reasoning to back it up. I would really prefer if they didn't have the loadout system. I much prefer to buy any of your weapons whenever you want or need to.
The Revolver is great, only need 2 body shots and super accurate while moving. Highly recommend it but practice with it more before using it competitively
I prefer the r8 over 5-7 simply for the longe range penetration. I can basically low tier scout from a distance when I have no eco, and a deagle every time I want one adds up more when I prefer to get an a4. A lot of loadout theory crafting is about eco balancing your effective playstyle. That said this video is pretty much perfect, and it's going to be helping a lot of people.
yeah too much shame over the revvy i think. its solid for long range 2 hit body shots & strong wallbangs. you can also run around with it while shooting. winning duels against awps & scouts with a revolver is so funny
@@zgaminggallery9910 No? Revolvers deal 86 damage with 93% armor penetration. Body shots at long ranges will deal 50+ including damage falloff, making them 2 hit body shots.
I personally prefer the R8 over the Deagle, the delay is easy to "counter" by pulling the trigger during a strafe and timing the shot right on your counterstrafe
I binned the famas as soon as this loadout thing arrived. The mp9 just does it better. Usually if youre forcing youre not gonna push much so I'd rather have the mp9 and barrel snuff someone than have to jiggle them at ak ranges. Fully agree with using both m4s. Always preferred the a4 and I love that I can use it again without cucking my team out of drops
Fully with you regarding MP9, and completely opposed regarding the M4s IMO m4a1s is more effective given the rough CT economy + no traces + 2nd shot has barely any recoil so double dinking full armor ts is really easy My only reason not buying a1s every round is 20 vs 30 bullets and having a way better m4a1 skin haha
Shotguns are really good at creating big holes in smokes. You can coordinate with your buddy. One empties 7 shots from the auto shotty while the other looks for enemies through the holes and shoots them with a rifle.
hot take: the negev is good on t side for site rushes. stay towards the back of the pack and once you get site control you can at the very least stall the cts drastically. very effective
I think WarOwl's missing a trick with the Bizon. It's got crazy good movement accuracy and a massive mag, so you can spray around, take out two players and potentially still have plenty of ammo to take a site if the CTs you killed have shit guns and you don't want to swap for them. It's my rush weapon of choice, and where I'm sat at the bottom of the ELO ranks it's very effective on the right round. I also see very, very little reason to ever take a Nova as T unless you've got a really specific tactic and map area you like playing - like Connector on Overpass. It's the same cost as the MAC10 and honestly if you need as cheap a buy as possible, I think you'd take the MAC over the Nova like 85% of the time. Also the AUG is IMO a must equip at the moment. I don't if it's a sub tick thing but its scoped accuracy and recoil feels almost borderline broken in CS2. I agree that I see very little point in the FAMAS, though. Smaller mag and a reload that takes half a year have got me killed so many times. Just take the MP9 if you can't afford the M4S and play appropriately.
The problem with the Bizon is that it has much weaker damage than the other SMGs, and it's more expensive. The MP9 is $1250. The Bizon is like $1600 and it's exponentially worse. The only time buying a Bizon makes sense is on anti-eco where enemies aren't likely to have armor and it does have a high kill reward -- but the issue is that if they buy armor or if you die, it's a massive waste of money and you'll be behind next round -- even worse if you get eco'd. If you want a gun with high movement accuracy and a big magazine just buy the P90. If you're on anti-eco just buy any other SMG besides the P90. The FAMAS is actually a decent rifle and most people hate it because they can't control the recoil. It has numerous advantages over just buying the MP9. For example, it can be used at longer ranges, which is extremely important if you're playing on some positions. It is more reliable against players wearing armor as well. If I were in an aim duel against an AK I'd want a FAMAS over an MP9 every time. When you buy the MP9 you have to play according to the MP9's weaknesses, so you have to play up close and you have to be very mobile. If you're trying to hold a smoke and play off of utility the MP9 is very awkward, so I think the FAMAS is generally better for team play. The MP9 is better for making aggressive solo plays or playing cheap one-off angles, like pushing B on Mirage maybe or playing really close banana. But you can't do that every round, obviously. The FAMAS fulfils a role the MP9 just can't, and on top of that, due to MR12 destroying CT economy by removing eco rounds/eliminating double eco, chances are you will be buying the FAMAS a lot. I think you really need to equip the FAMAS, at least until they fix CT economy.
we literally use bizon on 12k elo to shit on people as t side and it totally works just as you said, crazy good movement accuracy and a massive mag, so you can spray around as much as you want.
@@Thes4LT Of course it's better to buy M4, but for the price of M4 with kevlar you can buy famas, kevlar and grenades or defusekit. It's better to have a worse rifle but with grenades. You can also hold a long position unlike mp9.
I know the revolver is typically a no no, but I like to have it on CT side - especially for open and long range maps. It’s a 75 damage body shot, even at longer ranges and for $600, it’s cheaper than a scout. I find on eco rounds it lets me save the extra $1,100 that a Scout would cost, while still letting me deal significant damage at range to enemies that my teammates can finish off with p250. Using it as a Scout substitute frees up an additional rifle a slot for CT side as well. It may not be meta, and it’s def not for everyone, but I found it to be a great way to deal damage and save a lot of money on eco rounds to help the team buy stronger in the following round.
I love the bizon only for the second round if you win the first one, it has the mag capacity to mow down the whole enemy team without ever having to reload. Don't ever use it after the second round though I can't stress that enough.
Like you said about the AWP, certain other weapons are good to have even if you didn't use them much, in case if your teammate needs a drop, like the Deagle.
I think FAMAS has its place when you need to hold a mid to long range angle, where the MP9 just doesn't cut it. And you don't have enough for A1-s, or need utility.
Funny enough, the FAMAS is pretty good when picked up on the T-side, due to it being more like a longer range SMG than a rifle. Also, don't under-estimate the burst-fire mode on it. It is really accurate.
@@hoonterofhoonters6588 plus, since every counter strike player thinks the same, nobody else ever has it equipped so they can't even try to annoy you with one of their own
I recently started using the scout for T half, this video has made me aware that the famas is just a burden on my inventory as I never use it and would benefit more from having the scout and its great tagging potential
Okay WarOwl. It's 2012. It's 2013. CSGO recently came out. You've learned a lot from your days of Source and 1.6..... What do you do??? You make a bunch of videos explaining how the game works, how to not be a noob, and ways to have fun. Not that you aren't doing that now, but id love to see some in-depth gaming guides, similar to this one. This video felt really informative, helped me decide on a better load out, and it was fun to watch. Really reminded me of some nostalgic WarOwl teaching moments. So thanks, and potentially consider(?), a lot of people watch your videos (yes to be entertained) but also to learn how to effectively play the game better. While C22 is essentially a buffed CSGO... Tons of mechanics have changed, maps, features, settings, and just play styles in general... And so it would be really nice to get more informative videos (like this one) in regards to how you like to play the game. Thanks again.
The revolver isn’t that bad, I like its high accuracy and how it deals more damage than the Desert Eagle. I use it now that you can pick both the Revolver and Deagle but only on the T-Side because I pick the CZ in that ‘free’ slot instead on the CT side.
Are you using the R8 while standing? Because it's actually LESS accurate than the Deagle when standing (it's comparable to the Galil). When crouching it becomes about as accurate as an AWP and it's obviously quite accurate while moving as well, but if you're using it while moving you'd probably just get more use out of the Tec-9 which can both fire faster and is more accurate while running (as long as you're confident you can hit a dink). That's the issue with the revolver, in a vacuum it's not awful... but when you start comparing it to the other choices it quickly becomes a jack of all trades and a master of none. Every other pistol can do something the revolver can do but better, the only thing it has going for it is the damage but I just don't think it's worth giving up all the other pistols for a chance to fire a single high damage shot (assuming you live long enough to even fire the shot that is)
I haven’t used it on T side, but I like it on CT during eco buys against fully armored Ts. Cheaper than a Scout, but similar damage and accurate at range. Allows me to save $1,100 and do lots of damage for my teammates to finish off with p250 or usps so we can have a strong buy the next round. Since ammo is scarce I’m usually just going for body shot assist damage, but with good team comms it’s a strat that works great on long range or open bombsites
3:30 mark is incorrect. You say that the silenced weapons keep you off the enemies radar. Unless they changed how CS radar works completely.. This is not COD and gun sounds don't make you show on radar. When you are visually spotted by another enemy you are on the radar.
I play casually and don't looking to anything deeply. I'm happy to see that I am not the only one who thinks the MAC-10 is amazing. I almost never buy tier 3 weapons. I just like using the MAC-10 and MP5.
about PP-Bison: for $250 you get double+4 magazine. Deny any rush without reloading and dying while reloading. Also for T just run and prefire all angles without having to worry about ammo.
R8 Revolver is a good duo weapon, if your friend plays a deagle you can pretty much 2 shot anyone since the revolver or deagle makes them oneshot for each other and can be quite powerful when pushing together
I agree with what you said about the auto sniper on T side, but I seriously think the auto sniper on CT is just as viable as the AUG, they both do similar things, but the auto is a little more forgiving if you're not good at bursting or hitting the head. And if you are good at getting headshots, the auto sniper on CT can even beat out the AWP in situations with multiple enemies, there's something to be said about being able to instantly kill a player and be able to fire again almost immediately after without having to use your bolt to fire again. Also, I like the MP5 on CT side sometimes because if you're playing a weird angle or hiding in a boost it helps give the enemies a little harder time figuring out where you are, but this is really rare, and the M4A1S obviously does the same thing.
Here's the M4A4 vs M4A1-S tutorial from last year I talked about, I HIGHLY recommend watching this: ruclips.net/video/UDkabTZbyu8/видео.html
Bravo
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What I like is I can run both and depending on the situation I can chose
LESSSGOOOOO no closure
So he returns, to guide the new generations of cs players... kinda poetic isn't it?
Wish I could be part of that new generation of CS players, but I just ain't got time for a game that requires as much learning and practice as CS. Maybe if I was okay with being stuck in Silver hell forever, which I'm not.
@@qu1253 why are you here then?
@@grandaddy0807 maybe cause he likes WarOwl, like a lot of people here.
@@grandaddy0807any sort of knowledge helps. he said he doesn’t have time. a quick video about the game he is interested in is very helpful.
Guide is all wrong
Glock is the best starting pistol by far
Nova and xm are much better than mac and mp by far (and almost have the same range as them + peeker's advantage is making them crazy strong + economy benefits are insane)
Negev is absolutely amazing and can destroy entire teams
Rest nothing major is left to talk about, 1 main rifle and awp
Good players will base their loadouts on what their most expensive skins are.
Skins = Skills
lol
fr I don't use the a1s because I don't have a good looking skin for it :D
Or a stattrak I'll skip weapons and sit with a dgle just because I don't have stattrak
i dont have prime tho
I love the bison. It is not effective but if someone misses a shot and you just dont stop shooting it has an insane psychological effect.
11/10
bro if someone shooting me with bison i might be laughing
@@skull3634 Always works at 17k elo cs2 eu 👌🏻
I mean... I can use it effectively on a variety of maps at 2600 elo and 17000 rating. It works REALLY good paired with a running right click flash around a corner as early as possible in a round. It makes people SO mad in high elo.
The bison is a bit more serious than equipping the Negev in practice mode and mowing down bots without being able to aim.
Imagine ur CT on Inferno and a full 5 man rush comes banana, with the Bizon i can sweep the whole lobby before i have to reload while with the mac-10 i maybe get 2-3 and die while reloading.
yes its a bit more expensive but having basically unlimited ammo allows me to play more agressive rotations especially on CT.
I know this gun is more a meme, thats also why my duo and i picked the gun in Wingman first, we learned the way of holding LMB and W to perfection. Now in MM in force rounds we push certain spots with 1 flash in each hand and its gg good.
i love that i can drop counterstrike for 7 years and still come back to a fresh WarOwl tutorial.
im still buying the revolver tho...
Fr i dont get why revolver is so hated
Yeehaw moment
Because its only strength is accuracy@@skar6432
Equipped r8 on both sides, thanks for the video!
R8 is the best weapon in the game
@@LukaJeremic-jz5fw I agree
good choice
R8 is for style points when you get some really weak opponents you just use the R8
@@LukaJeremic-jz5fw FR IF U HOLD MID FROM CT ITS USEFULL
The teacher of Counter Strike is here!
It has been a long while, I still recall the times where I follow everything you say without a doubt. After countless hours, to this video, there are differing views and I will make different choices from what is recommended. Though I follow no more, I remain grateful for all that you have taught us all.
Thank you, Warowl
Man it sounds like he changed your life or something lol.
the times when*
He’s lying?
I'm only getting into this game now, Imma trust what he says because he's been making these for so long and I'm new to this game
im farting rn
Gross bro
Yummy
Same here
Ok.
I just farted as I read this
the aug is also used a lot because the scope makes it powerful for shooting through smokes and creating a hole you can see through
And also because MR12, meaning you can't always afford AWP on buy rounds
And it's the weapon of choice for a noob.
@@zanegrano2431 hardly see any noobs buy awp, they buy p90 or dont have enough money due to never ecoing
@@zanegrano2431I mean if it's easy to use then what exactly makes it a bad choice to have in loadout?
@@gtas321 where did I say it was bad to use?
I WILL rush long with sawed-off and you CANT stop me
That one AWP will.
and the other 4 Awps
Flashbang + W + Leftclick + jump = y e z
DEAR. GOD.
*FIFTY FUCKING FLASHBANGS* enter the chat
I will NOT tolerate this pp-bizon slander
Idk why this hit me so hard. A new generation of warowl tutorials just took me wayyyyy back to 2015 for a moment. Can't wait for more, keep up the great work
2015 was 27 years ago .....
@@kylemiller4999 true -_-
Ive barely played csgo but i remember watching your videos like 6 years ago so its weirdly nostalgic
sidenote: this man will never have a closer its been so long
While the MP9 is vastly easier to use and more effective than the mag7, there’s one advantage that the latter has. It causes so much fear in an uncoordinated team that it can stop a team push after they hear their entry getting obliterated by a shot to the face. Just like an awp, the fear factor it can have is not something to scoff at.
Sure, but you can also use the autoshotty which i would argue might be even more effective at stopping uncoordinated/uncommitted pushes. When your enemies hear the mag, they might be bold enough to try to catch you before you can fire your next shot. With the autoshotty, they know you can react immediately and repeat fire almost instantly.
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@@Likexner well, you have to consider the cost as well. Autoshotty is 2k while the mag is only 1.3k. With the extra money, you can buy armor or some grenades. Also, the autoshotty isn’t typically a weapon you use for eco or light buys, that is, unless you’re the only one in the team strapped with cash. But if you are, it might make more sense to drop pistols or 2 mp9s to your team mates instead, spreading the damage potential to the team rather than just yourself
But if you have money, the autoshotty is obviously superior, that’s a no brainer
@@Cyan-hide True. You bring up good points.
I myself am a big fan of the autoshotty. Its not based purely on its objective effectiveness. I started using it because i was bored of always using the usual weapons and i found that i was actually pretty decent with it. I also find headshots with shotties more satisfying than with any other weapon.
One benefit it has in CS2 that it didnt have in CSGO is that it creates big holes in smokes. If you coordinate with a teammate, you can spam the autoshotty while your teammate looks through the hole and takes precise shots with his rifle or smg instead of just wildly spraying through the smoke.
Definitely can help getting you out of the elo hell that is silver
Hey, I like the fact that you made the loadout without skins, so anybody can have a better understanding of the weapons.
I've suddenly decided to learn how to play this game, and have been looking for guides. I kept reading comments about you making tutorials for a long time, so I checked your channel and saw some Minecraft videos and Terraria vid from 12 years ago, those are my favorite games so you have my respect sir!
Edit: He's also really funny!
Always love a good tutorial from you Warowl, I always rewatch your old videos when I'm getting back into the game after a long time away. Keep up the great work
Thanks for the advice. I've now added the R8 to both of my loadouts, appreciate it!
Been wanting to get back into CS after a 6 or so year hiatus. Thanks for the updated guide!
using the R8 has caught too many people off guard for me to switch out now...
Real, I think the delay is actually beneficial for players like me where I overthink the shot or am bad at counter strafing. It helps me slow down my brain and focus on landing the shot
When we have more weapons introduced to cs2 i think this loadout will be way more useful. Each one in the team will have a role and their loadout will be different. I find this to be really cool to Counter Strike.
@@vancewalton6438 Yes, recently with the PCGamer interview they said they were going to
@@vancewalton6438 Yes, they said this in a PC Gamer interview lately.
they need a semi auto 3 hit kill weapon for like 4000. maybe M14 for CT and FAL for T. Or if they dont want to ruin the balance maybe just introduce a gun variant but exactly the same stats, such as replacing the AWP for like a TAC-50 and they can make a new shit ton of skins for that
@@TheTriangle444if they add a dmr into the game, the roles would be reversed(fal to ct, m14 for t). Also we already have dmr's in CS aka AUTOSNIPERS. If they add non scoped auto snipers for cheap prices, they would lose a shit ton of players and money.
CS needs a High tier weapon that would act as a bridge between M4/AK and AWP other than SG and AUG(which are shit) but I doubt that it Will be a Dmr(again).
Still waiting for TMP xD
YES, glad you are making tutorials and this one specifically is one I’ve been still trying to wrap my head around. Getting the basics is easy, but then figuring out the weird extra shotguns/smg’s.
I've actually had good luck with the negev on both sides. It's great to have descent suppression. It's been very helpful on nuke and dust 2
negev is 100% secretly op and pros will be using it soon just watch
cause u are silver ..
Yeah, if you're not peaking, it's pretty solid. You can spam smokes, take on multiple attackers without reloading, and fake pushes. Don't let the less creative people ruin your fun, lol.
Ive taken down an entire rush with negev
I remember watching your beginner-focused videos all the way back in 2012. Great to see them still going strong a decade later and on a new game. :)
Got to love that almost a year later the video is still 100% accurate since CS never fucking changes
Every other cs youtueber pormotes gambling in case opening. But only this channel talks about technicality of the game. GG.
"Your money is not your money, it's your team's money"
*_Soviet Anthem starts playing_*
If it only worked for russians, they seems to be the one not giving a shit about team cash the most 😂
Our money
thank you i decided to equip the auto sniper instead of the ak because you need a scope:)
based
Absolutely based
I always eco first two rounds to buy auto
@@kyloluma auto is based
@@kyloluma auto has 4x the ammo, 3x the kill reward, and only costs like 250 more. Literally no reason to use the AWP anymore
Idk how it hasn't been realized but since the revolver is now not replacing the deagle, its actually a pocket scout for only $600, insanely good running accuracy and barely any damage fall of long range if you're an awper and it litterally is just like how you would play a scout, be annoying and make everyone one shot in the body for your team if you cant buy. Then use the deagle as a backup weapon as normal. The R8 actually has a use case now that it doesn't replace the deagle
It’s true half of the r8 hate was just because the deagle is better
thanks for the video, ill definitely change some parts of my loadout now! And thanks again for actually taking the time to show all weapons without any fancy skins. I think new players will appreciate not being pushed more into buying skins than they already are.
Equipped the PP-Bizon, thank you for the video!
Revoler is a strange weapon. It's a pocket scout and can do pretty nasty stuff with its two-hit body kills, great running accuracy and and accuracy overall when you charge. SCAR also has a place for CT coz they are defenders and SCAR is good at accepting pushes
I found myself having more fun using the R8 than the Deagle, it's not easier per se but the amount of times I used it made me feel more used to it... also its funny headshotting someone with an awp at long range using the funny pistol.
@@alexpivniouk8421Deagle can't two-hit into armored chest, it will take 3 hits. Awp is good but not that good when multiple people are rushing the coridor. And you can't always hit, don't flatter yourself
@@alexpivniouk8421no it can't
@@Chasodey Awp is an essential gun that you can't ignore, just because it has one weakness doesn't mean you don't take it.
@@janterri3539 But it doesn't mean you shouldn't take anything else. And I'm willing to see more guns in CS because I hate how for 20 goddamn years we all revolve around 3 guns, AK, M4 and AWP with Deagle on secondary. It's just boring. Even in Quake there is more diversity in guns inside the same holy trinity of rocket launcher, lightning gun and railgun due to different mechanics but in CS we have two automatic rifles and a sniper, cool, love it. That's why I tend not to buy AK in my games just to feel more diversity
I'm SO happy you are making tutorials again! I always wanted to learn from you, but I only started playing ranked a couple months ago ❤
never played a single ranked in CS2, I'm hopping straight to FACEIT as a devout follower of ZywOo church
The negev is actually pretty good on T side for after plant. It's also just stupid with follow recoil on. Being able to just mag dump at an angle for 12 seconds is very useful since it wastes time for the CTs. I play retakes a lot and doing this is extremely lame, but it works.
As a newer player this was super helpful. Thank you 🙏
do not underestimate the R8 revolver, especially on T side where you can prefire running 1 tap someone across the map for $600
Too bad you can only do that 16 times per round.
@@KaiSoDaM It only takes 5 bullets
run into mid, spam a smoke, get a blind headshot kill through it, get reported and called a cheater 10/10 would revolve again
Also whole team running r8, every enemy is a 2 shot kill makes it kinda viable imo
@@KaiSoDaMthis is my only complaint about the R8. It really needs a 3rd clip.
I’ve won so many rounds off the r8, I think it’s immensely slept on as an eco weapon. It’s cheaper than the deagle and even if you don’t hit a headshot or kill if you tag three opponents in the chest and die it still sets up your team so well to win rounds because hitting anything with the r8 guarantees that enemy is going to die in one or two shots.
I feel like it at least needs an increase in accuracy. Its more or less only good at distance, but its still inaccurate enough to miss if you aim for the head or not centre on the body.
practice to tap crouch just before the shot of the r8 fires then its more accurate than a scoped aug
As a new player starting in CS2 I have been bingeing your CSGO content. I love your videos, especially the ones where you record your full matches and talk through your thought process and what you think is going well vs what is your teams weaknesses. Good luck with the CS2 content !!
Thank you for the tips! I can't wait to equip the R8 on both teams!
The only reason War Owl left the autos off the list is because he's a gentleman and refuses to use crutch weapons
About the Revolver. It is ACTUALLY useful on the CT side, especially on maps with long range, such as Nuke or Inferno. You can drop a lot of kills by quick-peeking with it.
Also, the auto-sniper can be useful in certain situations, but only on the CT side, and it is very map and position-dependant (works well on Nuke, Mirage B-site, and on Ancient A-site)
No.
@@dotnet9830 I beg to differ 😅
@@Skarfar90 how is the deagle worse in the scenario you mentioned
@@dotnet9830 At long range, the revolver is a better option imo.
But what works for some might not work for everyone
ngl I don't even play csgo and cs2 but I love your content. it was the cs:cz missions that got me in your channel and the custom games you play with your friends, and I love the more educational vids as well.
My loadout has the r8 for one particular lifestyle rule for CS. If I want to buy the scout, I buy the r8. Does the same amount of damage, but you save a lot of money. I tend to buy the nova and the r8 on force buys when I'm on CT. 🤠
Wow a classic WarOwl throwback style video, this has given me so much nostalgia to when I was only around 12/13 watching how to manage my money in CS.. wow
As someone who plays cs 1.6 because bad pc I find this guide very helpful
I remember watching the OG csgo tutorials and now I get to rewatch these now that I hit global and faceit 10. Thank you so much for getting me into the game and helping so many other players as well! Never going to stop watching this channel, constantly evolving and entertaining content. Also the Ark of the Covenant joke BASED
U didn't hit either of those
Equip the revolver, got it. Thanks WarOwl!
Please Warowl. These tutorials are the reason I started watching your videos. Make more of them. Maybe about maps, maybe about specific playstyles, maybe about certain weapons. I dun care. Just teach us your ways. Please and thanks!
As a player who is more like a watcher of CS this was a very helpful video. Thanks :)
The ammount of disrespect the revolver is getting is insane. Now that you dont have to choose it over a deagle it can be a really good pocket scout for only 600$, only downside being its delay but how cheap it is makes it worth it. Also its running accuracy makes it good for t side.
If you get good with the R8, it's basically a half price scout - with how OP moving around is in CS2, playing peek/unpeek on CT side with an R8 and spamming a two shot full-sprint body shot kill on full buying players at medium to long range is a bit busted
I think it's being slept on a bit just because of its meme status, sort of like how the SG and AUG were for a long time. It's very cheap for what it does - which is "scare the hell out of full buying players who get tagged once by it without killing you"
I love your tutorial videos, gives me the nostalgia ❤
glad to see warowl is a fellow "toggle follow recoil" enjoyer
its surprisingly good with the deagle, too, since the recoil pattern is randomized
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@Anom597 yeah in your console type the following:
bind [key] “toggle [command]”
In my case I used:
bind MOUSE4 “toggle cl_crosshair_recoil”
At least that’s what I remember
I myself just leave it on
@@Anom597 Here you go:
bind "mouse4" "incrementvar cl_crosshair_recoil 0 1 1; toggle cl_crosshaircolor 0 4"
just change mouse4 with whatever bind you want and you can remove the cl_crosshaircolor, that's just so it changes the colour of the crosshair when you activate it (i think it's nice).
Is there an easy way to toggle or do you just go to settings each time?
Been watching your content for a long time and I have incredible respect for you dude. Your videos have kept up with the times and your jokes are just so tasteful.
Love your work, and I barely play CS anymore! Your videos are just so entertaining, keep it up!
Since i never use the dualies or cz i actually have the r8 equipped instead: it's difficult to use due to the delay but in niche situations such as outside nuke or mid on mirage where there is a lot of distance between the enemy and me i actually find myself either doing enough damage that my teammates can finish enemies off, or straight up kill my enemy due to the perfect accuracy. I usually buy the p250 on ecos though, because the r8 is INCREDIBLY niche.
The Bizon feels much stronger in CS2 than in CSGO. I use it a lot on CT side and I get a lot of kills with it especially on second round.lot
It's essentially a P90 that shoots peas but is $950 cheaper
Bizon is so good in cs2
@beenguy5887 P90ish weapon
When your sure the enemy team is on a full eco, bb bizon is a monster. ou run just as fast as with you knife, got 64 rounds. its hard to counter, because you enemy is hardstuck in aimpunsh.
Just buy an mp9 it's even cheaper and more powerful
Very good and useful video, even for non-beginners. I have almost 1k hours, and i learned a couple of new things. I like the approach to CT rifles. But most importantly, it is absolutely brilliant to toggle follow recoil. I never thought of that. I love it for pistols and smgs, but don't like it for rifles, but now i can have my cake and eat it!
I'm really happy that my gun choices were very close to yours even without all of your knowledge and reasoning to back it up.
I would really prefer if they didn't have the loadout system. I much prefer to buy any of your weapons whenever you want or need to.
thank you for teaching me cs all those years ago ❤
The Revolver is great, only need 2 body shots and super accurate while moving. Highly recommend it but practice with it more before using it competitively
Doesn't it have a really slow rate of fire and slow your movement speed down though?
I prefer the r8 over 5-7 simply for the longe range penetration. I can basically low tier scout from a distance when I have no eco, and a deagle every time I want one adds up more when I prefer to get an a4. A lot of loadout theory crafting is about eco balancing your effective playstyle. That said this video is pretty much perfect, and it's going to be helping a lot of people.
yeah too much shame over the revvy i think. its solid for long range 2 hit body shots & strong wallbangs. you can also run around with it while shooting. winning duels against awps & scouts with a revolver is so funny
@@notBeWitchy I have humbled a few awpers after owning them with it. They just lose all confidence to awp after that.
@@notBeWitchy its now 3-hit kill in cs2, you'll see soon if you haven't already.
@@zgaminggallery9910 No? Revolvers deal 86 damage with 93% armor penetration. Body shots at long ranges will deal 50+ including damage falloff, making them 2 hit body shots.
yeah@@notBeWitchy
I personally prefer the R8 over the Deagle, the delay is easy to "counter" by pulling the trigger during a strafe and timing the shot right on your counterstrafe
I binned the famas as soon as this loadout thing arrived. The mp9 just does it better. Usually if youre forcing youre not gonna push much so I'd rather have the mp9 and barrel snuff someone than have to jiggle them at ak ranges. Fully agree with using both m4s. Always preferred the a4 and I love that I can use it again without cucking my team out of drops
Fully with you regarding MP9, and completely opposed regarding the M4s
IMO m4a1s is more effective given the rough CT economy + no traces + 2nd shot has barely any recoil so double dinking full armor ts is really easy
My only reason not buying a1s every round is 20 vs 30 bullets and having a way better m4a1 skin haha
Shotguns are really good at creating big holes in smokes. You can coordinate with your buddy. One empties 7 shots from the auto shotty while the other looks for enemies through the holes and shoots them with a rifle.
hot take: the negev is good on t side for site rushes. stay towards the back of the pack and once you get site control you can at the very least stall the cts drastically. very effective
If you play with friends who want you to drop them a Famas, you need better friends.
The famas has better stats than the galil despite the price, it's just less convinient, it's a fondamental
I think WarOwl's missing a trick with the Bizon. It's got crazy good movement accuracy and a massive mag, so you can spray around, take out two players and potentially still have plenty of ammo to take a site if the CTs you killed have shit guns and you don't want to swap for them. It's my rush weapon of choice, and where I'm sat at the bottom of the ELO ranks it's very effective on the right round. I also see very, very little reason to ever take a Nova as T unless you've got a really specific tactic and map area you like playing - like Connector on Overpass.
It's the same cost as the MAC10 and honestly if you need as cheap a buy as possible, I think you'd take the MAC over the Nova like 85% of the time.
Also the AUG is IMO a must equip at the moment. I don't if it's a sub tick thing but its scoped accuracy and recoil feels almost borderline broken in CS2.
I agree that I see very little point in the FAMAS, though. Smaller mag and a reload that takes half a year have got me killed so many times. Just take the MP9 if you can't afford the M4S and play appropriately.
The problem with the Bizon is that it has much weaker damage than the other SMGs, and it's more expensive. The MP9 is $1250. The Bizon is like $1600 and it's exponentially worse. The only time buying a Bizon makes sense is on anti-eco where enemies aren't likely to have armor and it does have a high kill reward -- but the issue is that if they buy armor or if you die, it's a massive waste of money and you'll be behind next round -- even worse if you get eco'd. If you want a gun with high movement accuracy and a big magazine just buy the P90. If you're on anti-eco just buy any other SMG besides the P90.
The FAMAS is actually a decent rifle and most people hate it because they can't control the recoil. It has numerous advantages over just buying the MP9. For example, it can be used at longer ranges, which is extremely important if you're playing on some positions. It is more reliable against players wearing armor as well. If I were in an aim duel against an AK I'd want a FAMAS over an MP9 every time. When you buy the MP9 you have to play according to the MP9's weaknesses, so you have to play up close and you have to be very mobile. If you're trying to hold a smoke and play off of utility the MP9 is very awkward, so I think the FAMAS is generally better for team play. The MP9 is better for making aggressive solo plays or playing cheap one-off angles, like pushing B on Mirage maybe or playing really close banana. But you can't do that every round, obviously.
The FAMAS fulfils a role the MP9 just can't, and on top of that, due to MR12 destroying CT economy by removing eco rounds/eliminating double eco, chances are you will be buying the FAMAS a lot. I think you really need to equip the FAMAS, at least until they fix CT economy.
we literally use bizon on 12k elo to shit on people as t side and it totally works just as you said, crazy good movement accuracy and a massive mag, so you can spray around as much as you want.
@@Thes4LT Of course it's better to buy M4, but for the price of M4 with kevlar you can buy famas, kevlar and grenades or defusekit. It's better to have a worse rifle but with grenades. You can also hold a long position unlike mp9.
I know the revolver is typically a no no, but I like to have it on CT side - especially for open and long range maps.
It’s a 75 damage body shot, even at longer ranges and for $600, it’s cheaper than a scout. I find on eco rounds it lets me save the extra $1,100 that a Scout would cost, while still letting me deal significant damage at range to enemies that my teammates can finish off with p250.
Using it as a Scout substitute frees up an additional rifle a slot for CT side as well.
It may not be meta, and it’s def not for everyone, but I found it to be a great way to deal damage and save a lot of money on eco rounds to help the team buy stronger in the following round.
I love the bizon only for the second round if you win the first one, it has the mag capacity to mow down the whole enemy team without ever having to reload. Don't ever use it after the second round though I can't stress that enough.
learning cs 2, thank you for the video!
Keep up the great content!!!
2:31 - Postal Dude's voice 💀
I regret nothing!
Bizon hate is overdone, the mag size allows you to run and spray forever. It’s great for running up banana to site to church holding w+m1 like a pyro
Bizon up banana is a beast when they're not expecting a quick push.
Like you said about the AWP, certain other weapons are good to have even if you didn't use them much, in case if your teammate needs a drop, like the Deagle.
Thanks man I'm a beginner and this really helped me
I think FAMAS has its place when you need to hold a mid to long range angle, where the MP9 just doesn't cut it. And you don't have enough for A1-s, or need utility.
We're talking map-specifc loadouts, then. You'd be okay with maining the MP9 on a map like Inferno, but maybe not on a map like Dust2.
@@mihirx27MP9 is the best weapon in mid tier CT on any map, given its price ($800 less than famas) higher fire rate and its higher kill reward
Funny enough, the FAMAS is pretty good when picked up on the T-side, due to it being more like a longer range SMG than a rifle. Also, don't under-estimate the burst-fire mode on it. It is really accurate.
I believe autosnipers are good on Nuke because there is a lot of places you can wallbang
and they're gay
The real advantage of the autosnipers is the psychological trauma that you inflict upon the enemy team.
i'm gay too@@wertkol1
@@hoonterofhoonters6588 This. I still use it in high elo just to tilt people, sometimes leads to an easier win
@@hoonterofhoonters6588 plus, since every counter strike player thinks the same, nobody else ever has it equipped so they can't even try to annoy you with one of their own
I will always have the revolver on. The Yee ain't gonna Haw itself.
Yeehaw forever boys.
I recently started using the scout for T half, this video has made me aware that the famas is just a burden on my inventory as I never use it and would benefit more from having the scout and its great tagging potential
this the "We need a CS2 Guns Tutorial-Series" Button.
Okay WarOwl. It's 2012. It's 2013. CSGO recently came out. You've learned a lot from your days of Source and 1.6..... What do you do???
You make a bunch of videos explaining how the game works, how to not be a noob, and ways to have fun.
Not that you aren't doing that now, but id love to see some in-depth gaming guides, similar to this one.
This video felt really informative, helped me decide on a better load out, and it was fun to watch. Really reminded me of some nostalgic WarOwl teaching moments.
So thanks, and potentially consider(?), a lot of people watch your videos (yes to be entertained) but also to learn how to effectively play the game better.
While C22 is essentially a buffed CSGO... Tons of mechanics have changed, maps, features, settings, and just play styles in general... And so it would be really nice to get more informative videos (like this one) in regards to how you like to play the game. Thanks again.
5:14 bro speaking facts 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Communism vibes
The revolver isn’t that bad, I like its high accuracy and how it deals more damage than the Desert Eagle.
I use it now that you can pick both the Revolver and Deagle but only on the T-Side because I pick the CZ in that ‘free’ slot instead on the CT side.
Revolver is OK with peakers advange too. So its doubly good on T side!
Not to mention, it's SUPER underrated on first round; T-side for playing long angles & bodyshotting, letting your teammate's glocks finish them off
Are you using the R8 while standing? Because it's actually LESS accurate than the Deagle when standing (it's comparable to the Galil). When crouching it becomes about as accurate as an AWP and it's obviously quite accurate while moving as well, but if you're using it while moving you'd probably just get more use out of the Tec-9 which can both fire faster and is more accurate while running (as long as you're confident you can hit a dink).
That's the issue with the revolver, in a vacuum it's not awful... but when you start comparing it to the other choices it quickly becomes a jack of all trades and a master of none. Every other pistol can do something the revolver can do but better, the only thing it has going for it is the damage but I just don't think it's worth giving up all the other pistols for a chance to fire a single high damage shot (assuming you live long enough to even fire the shot that is)
I haven’t used it on T side, but I like it on CT during eco buys against fully armored Ts.
Cheaper than a Scout, but similar damage and accurate at range. Allows me to save $1,100 and do lots of damage for my teammates to finish off with p250 or usps so we can have a strong buy the next round.
Since ammo is scarce I’m usually just going for body shot assist damage, but with good team comms it’s a strat that works great on long range or open bombsites
65-90 body shot damage with nearly perfect running accuracy.
Brb I’m crying. Much love from India 🇮🇳
SO no ones talking about the rocket league music playing in the backround. Absolutely astonishing!
The negev is so incredibly OP. 1700$ for a gun that can hold of a rush for 30 seconds
3:30 mark is incorrect. You say that the silenced weapons keep you off the enemies radar. Unless they changed how CS radar works completely.. This is not COD and gun sounds don't make you show on radar. When you are visually spotted by another enemy you are on the radar.
If you don't equip the auto for both sides then you're just not having as much fun as me
I won’t tolerate negev slander! Laser beam while walking makes it really good for anchor roles when paired with flashes and smokes
I play casually and don't looking to anything deeply. I'm happy to see that I am not the only one who thinks the MAC-10 is amazing.
I almost never buy tier 3 weapons. I just like using the MAC-10 and MP5.
The Revolver isn't THAT bad.
revolver is so much better than deagle. it take like one game to learn to shoot with delay
Yes it is
The revolver does around 30 more damage and a perfectly accurate primary fire. Also its slightly cheaper
IKR it’s objectively better, that’s why the devs only give us 8 bullets for it. Otherwise it’d be too good
being able to do 70 dmg off the bat even if you die is huge
9:03 MY STYLE IS THE REVOLVER !!!!
Is WarOwl secretly the engineer from TF2? 1:45
Tf3 engineer voice actor leak
@@ReginaldTheDeluxelol
Revolved underrated its way better than you think
about PP-Bison: for $250 you get double+4 magazine. Deny any rush without reloading and dying while reloading. Also for T just run and prefire all angles without having to worry about ammo.
Only loadout is Negev and smoke
video starts at 8:43
I only use the CZ75-Auto until I can afford the M249
R8 Revolver is a good duo weapon, if your friend plays a deagle you can pretty much 2 shot anyone since the revolver or deagle makes them oneshot for each other and can be quite powerful when pushing together
I agree with what you said about the auto sniper on T side, but I seriously think the auto sniper on CT is just as viable as the AUG, they both do similar things, but the auto is a little more forgiving if you're not good at bursting or hitting the head. And if you are good at getting headshots, the auto sniper on CT can even beat out the AWP in situations with multiple enemies, there's something to be said about being able to instantly kill a player and be able to fire again almost immediately after without having to use your bolt to fire again. Also, I like the MP5 on CT side sometimes because if you're playing a weird angle or hiding in a boost it helps give the enemies a little harder time figuring out where you are, but this is really rare, and the M4A1S obviously does the same thing.