I hear you on the back pain. I have a CR5 Smith bass that I love for tone et al, but the upper wing stops at fret 15 instead of 12, making it neck heavy. It ends up being heavy (because its a Smith!!) and only complicates playing. But until I break down and get a SIRE myself, I'll probably keep playing it out. I've found some postural positions that I teach my patients (as a Chiropractor) that helps. Basically, ballet first position is the key to being able to play those heavy instruments for extended periods of time. There's a Spinal Tap joke in here somewhere about heavy basses ;-)
Just for information only.I'm 69 years old,been playing bass for over half a century and have a history of back problems but I don't find my Sire v7 too heavy.No problems after gigs either.Could the problem for some people be a postural thing? I have no medical knowledge to rationalise this idea but I can recommend the 'Alexander technique' to help correct posture when playing as I used that method back(pun intended) in the day when I was a student learning the cello.Maybe worth a try. Ps, I also have a Les Paul that weighs in at over 10lbs.Good thick Levy strap does the trick and i'm no tough guy,honest.Good luck and enjoy creating those bottom lines.
I wish manufactures and retailers would include the weight of an instrument on their spec list. It's an important detail that is nearly always omitted.
While it is heavy though, I think it is also worth mentioning that a really good padded strap goes a long way in helping bassists get through a show with a heavy bass. In my experience a wider and nicely padded strap does the trick for me. Weight is distributed even across the trap muscle. Doesn’t ensure that you won’t feel the weight of the bass over time but it does allow you to go further before you start to feel any fatigue.
I feel ya on that. 54 yrs of age right here and been playing bass for too long. Bought a 5 string V7 Sire bass about a year ago and man, I had to sell it. Too heavy. Head stock heavy. Caused a lot of neck, left shoulder, and left hip plate locked out. Yes sciatic nerve is screwed for life now. Back to them light weight Ibanez basses. Side note. I do miss that Sire funk tone though. Bomb bass, for a youngster. Keep on with that bass playing Sir.
Had the same problem with my Sire bass, and struggled a lot with that. I love the bass other than that. Sorted it out by buying a real broad strap, and it worked. No more problems with back or shoulders. Fixed my problem and still use the Sire
I had the same expetience with a Squier VM70s Jazz Bass. It was a real funk machine and the perfect beater bass. Really loved the built quality of the first series, but the maple body was far to heavy for my back coming in at 4.9 kg.
Maple and Ash are, in general, on the heavy side. Any bass with a natural finish tends to be heavy. The Squier VM 70's is great. Check it out with a finished body.
The Squier VM70's 4-string is my first bass--it is still absolutely pristine. After 1.5 yrs, I bought an older Fender Jazz (not vintage) ..needed a lighter bass. That Squier w/ Dunlop strings is awesome, but just too heavy for "me" for sustained playing. Peace.
Nelson Montana I was aware that this was no lightweight bass, but the problems with the weight started to increase over time. I got one of the lighter Squiers with a Sunburst finish 😀
Its the same problem with the squire fenders too, i sold my sire almost straight away and i ended up upgrading my standard jazz with a pre amp and have never looked back. Sires are amazing but they are heavier than a MM
The strap matters a lot too...I had a wide strap on my bass forever because I thought it would help my back but in fact...when I switched to a thinner strap all my issues went away and the bass feels light as a feather. Counterintuitive, but that’s my experience.
Couldn't agree more, had a 3" very stiff leather strap with plenty of padding and the thing would put so much pressure on my back and shoulders. Switched over to a 2" soft strap and no trouble at all with much better balance on my neck.
How about the sire M7 much lighter than my Spector Euro. Did you try that bass? Also stretching before playing may also help.try vitamins that are good for joints may also be a help. I play both bass and guitar. Like one of the brothers on the comment line has mentioned check out your strap. Many bass /guitar players don’t realize how important a quality strap can be.
Sorry to hear that...i’m 53 and gigging 4 to 5 times a week and i’m loving my Sire v7 vintage 4 and 5 strings, no issues at this point but thanks for the tip,i guess it just goes to show you that we’re all made different…which is a good thing right?..thanks for posting the playing tips as well,always nice to gain some new knowledge
The 4 string S7's are listed at 8.5 lbs, which is not very heavy. Fender J or P basses are within that range, most Jazz basses are closer to 9... I'd love to know the weight of this particular bass he's talking about.
Bro, I truly appreciate your feedback on this, because the Sire basses are beautiful and sound great. However, I was wondering about the weight, as I have also had some back problems years ago. Many thanks for your honest thoughts!
Before trying to buy the Sire V7, I checked with a dealer and they said it weights 9.7 lbs. That doesn't sound like a lot, but I got discouraged and switch to the M7, instead. Will find out soon once it gets here comes first of April.
I wish more players would address the issue of the weight of the bass. Could anybody recommend lightweight basses that are good quality instrument? Thanks!
+Jeff McBride honestly bro, I think that there’s a kind of “sire cult” and some cats think that if you’re saying something against the bass you’re speaking against Marcus personally or the company. That’s how companies grow, the ones that care at least. The new generation of Basses are lighter for sure but I stand behind this video.
I play a Fender mustang Player and a Hofner Club bass. My shoulder and left arm mobility issues are addressed with these basses, plus I really like the tone, the looks.
The question is why do they make these instruments so heavy? Some people think a light guitar is cheap but i feel the opposite as they resonate better and are easier to play. A 4 string bass should be no heavier than 8lbs in my opinion. My Geddy Lee Jazz Bass was around 12 lbs and I had to get rid of it so I switched to the MTD Kingston series basses and have been very happy as they are very comfortable and play better than any other basses i've tried.
They’ve fixed the weight issue. Look, I think that weight does indeed affect tone. But at a certain point standing around with a heavy instrument on a consistent basis takes it toll, you know?
Are all Sire basses that are the same model, string configuration, etc… all weigh the same or within no more that one pound of each other????? I know in the Fender realm, there can be more than one pound difference between otherwise identical versions of the same bass. Would any more consistency be expected or hoped for out of Sire? I’m am sorry about your back. That sucks!
My V7 was also on the heavy side (Alder), but when I ordered my V7 vintage (Ash) I specifically told them I wanted a lighter bass. They delivered. It's about 8lbs. 14oz.
I appreciate this video! I tried a Sire for about a year and had to sell it too. Killed my back! My Fender jazz bass was not much lighter, but there was something about the balance of the Sire that caused me all sorts of pain. Best of luck with your recovery! Keep it funky.
Coole technik , I agree Wright is an argument although for me as a guitar player . So I do not play a Les Paul because its about one kilo more than a start our a 339 epihone ..thanks for your open info
Jumped on RUclips today looking for videos for Sire basses with Lindy Fralins installed. Saw this video in the suggestions a decided to check it out. Sires are pretty heavy. I also wanted to say thank you for sharing that funky lick at the end. Just picked up a new subscriber.
My Stingray hangs on the wall because of the same reason, played it from 1980 to 2017, got a Sire and the same thing, too Heavy, I now play a Yamaha 734, it's a dream. Hey what bass is this on the video and do you gig with it?
Hi there. Thanks for sharing. I have just got a Sire Marcus Miller V5 passive Jazz bass and it weighs about 8 lb 13 oz. It is somewhat lighter than my Fender Jazz bass which is 10lb 8 oz. Wood of the same mass is never the same weight. You can pick up 2 of exactly the same guitar and still have quit a difference in weight. I had a Fender early 1980s Telecaster once an it was ridiculously heavy. The body was ash but it was so dense it weighed way too much. I got rod of that in the end for a lovely lightweight 52 Tele reissue. It is always best to see and try instruments before buying them. At least then you know whether the weight of any guitar is going to suit you. Saying that I bought my Sire V5 online. I was lucky as it isn't what is considered heavy at 8 lb 13 oz.
lol, I feel your pain. I played a Peavey T60 guitar back in the 80s for a while. I was in the shape you're talking about after a 3hr gig. That thing had a fantastic sound, but it weighed 14 pounds, seriously. I've been playing a very light Ibanez SR500 the last few years, and I like the size and feel, but to me it's lacking in a few areas. I was actually looking at a MM Sire V7. I'm also looking at a Schecter Diamond Series Stiletto custom, but not sure if I want to stay with a 4 string or go to 5. I have a friend that plays one in a melodic metal band, and it sounds great, but of course a lot ( most ) of that is her. The only other bass I had a long time and played live, and liked, was in the 80s I had a Steinberger Spirit headless. Oddly enough it had a lot of punch. What is your opinion on the Schecter?
Yo, that was one of my reasons I sold my Sire as well!!! Even if I had one of those thick Levy’s straps, it still ended up being to heavy for me. That’s crazy how much pain it gave you though! I’m all about light-weight basses, man.
The Duostrap is an excellent option. I am 59 years old, with back and shoulder problems, as well as occasional sciatica. I have played sitting for years, most recently balancing the bass on both legs. The Duostrap has caused an excellent weight reduction. Another option is one of the instrument stands on the market, such as the Mbrace.
I just got myself a Sire V7 Vintage 5, and I believe this video all the way. That is the heaviest bass I have now (and I do have a first year T-40) I played it this past weekend and my shoulder was just hating life. I never understood that as a younger guy, always played heavy Warwick’s, but now at 34 I’m starting to turn into that guy that wants the light bass.
Really though! I really dug the basses though. Check out this video. I'm sitting down. This was at the height of the back pain. My room was a 2 - 5-minute walk from the stage. I had to be driven there in a golf cart because I couldn't walk. Miserable! ruclips.net/video/4ECDgJNNoKk/видео.html
Sorry to hear about the health issue my brother… I definitely understand EXACTLY what you’re saying though… I bought a CORT five string… The new jazz bass version that they have… And fell in love because it has 19 mm bridge spacing as well as it’s a 35 scale… And haven’t touched my sire V7 in months… During the sermon after the choir was finished at church service this past Sunday… Just to look at it, went to take it out of the case and was like “what the heck?! This bass is ridiculously heavy“ I never realized it until I hadn’t touched it in months and then went back to do so… Trust me when I tell you, that Bass continues to stay in the case… LOL
+Viet Mai well, I don’t want my response to sound like Sire has deceptive practices I do think that it would be helpful to know a Bass’ weight before purchase. I don’t know Whether or not it should be “mandatory” but it would certainly be helpful. I know that the newer versions are indeed lighter but it’s hard buying an instrument sight unseen for sure.
@@TedTalksBass Well, that goes without saying. Had you known the weight of the Sire V7 beforehand, would you still buy it? "Mandatory" is just a way to express it, but it's necessary. It'd eliminate the guessing game, wouldn't it?
They are definitely heavy old basses. I can imagine they could be problematic after a 3 hour gig. Mine is heavier than my 5 string! But as you say- a great sound and fantastic value.
If you think that bass is heavy you should hold my bubinga warwick. As far as ultra light jazz style basses lightest ive seen is the sandberg california, can be configured to weigh 7 pounds. Also if you're having lower back pain you should do L-Sits with a pullup bar.
I think im all professions you need to do excercises as a person always sitting in the office, you have to stretching and doing some to things in order to avoid a injury. For a musician is the same, when he or she is in a gig, you have to stay stand for many hours, also carry a weight (high or low it doesn't care) you need to exercise, in the years the body get worst
I recently acquired a parts bass with a Sire V7 neck on a Warmoth dinky jazz (with Aero pickups). It's freaking amazing. Sounds great, and it's passive. Weighs about 9lbs. I got real lucky with that purchase. The Sire neck feels fantastic. I didn't know I would like the 7.25 inch radius so much.
Thanks for calling that problem out at last! I play a chinese Ammoon P-Bass copy for 100€ because that was the only bass I could get that weighs 3 kg! My MIM Fender weighs 4.3 and is considered light by some. Sires are probably 5-6 kg, at least the ones I tried. I would love to play a better quality instrument, but I am not going over 3kg anymore! It is a pity noone makes any 😣
I have been playing my 1978 Peavey T40 since I purchased it new in 1978. A true tree trunk, but I can't pass up the sound (see it in my icon). I currently own an Ibanez SR1400 Premium and a Fender Jazz Deluxe 5 string. The Peavey is and always has been my favorite
Hi! I have faced the same issue and that's why I sold off my v7 5string. It's an Ash body maple neck version. But recently, the 2nd generation sire basses has released. I'm pretty excited about them cause, they're claiming that they have worked with the weight issue this time. So if you really love the tone of sire basses, try them and groove on. Lots of love and respect to you
@@TedTalksBass thats awesome! Please make a video of that also. Probably, next week I'm going to my known shop to check one of them out. I think it won't be disappointing at all
Thanks for the video - I had this problem a few years ago. Was awful. Stopped after I let go of my heavy 6 string bass and went back to a 5er. What is the bass in your video? Looks/ sounds great. Strings? Be well
Update: I have a V3 5 string and it weighs 10.5 lbs. It killed me in rehearsal, but lo and behold... at the gig it felt great and I had no problem with the weight.
I feel you, but I play an '81 Yamaha BB that weighs 26.5 pounds and was thinking of going down to the Sire V7 4. I don't like very light basses that feel cheap, like those Ibanez basses.
Haha, I wish I was built like that. And yeah, pretty sure. That is what they had it listed as on the specs, anyways. I certainly didn't second-guess it, as I've never held a heavier bass.
Come back on this... I've now played several gigs with my V3 5 string and no sweat. I got me a big 4" strap and all is well. I can hang, but we have a short set.
I too, loved the sound, fit & finish of my ash V7 5string. But, I couldn’t handle the weight because I do have back & neck issues (including multiple surgeries). Truth is, some weight more than others..... I remember the first Bassplayer review of the Sire & the reviewed bass was relatively light. So, I took a chance & received a heavy one. Several years ago, it wouldn’t have been a problem!
Oh my goodness. I 've been suffering the same thing since Oct. 2017! Pain so bad, thought I was literally gonna die 😰. I'm a bassist out of Birmingham. Just lookin at sire v10 after being a lil disappointed with my "agy" upgrade. Hope they are lighter. Wishing you full recovery. Mine has recovered to around 5-10%. Very guarded though. Peace brother, and thanx for this very informative video.
Wow, sorry to hear about your back problems, Ted. Your health is priority #1, and I'm fortunate I've never had severe back problems because I know how crippling it can be. I own a few Sires, and I definitely concur they can be heavy. The last one I ordered from them, a V7 vintage, I specifically asked Mickey to get me the lightest one he could. I ended up with one that weighs a little over 9lbs, which I can tolerate.
You can lose the mobility of your fingers from back and neck problems pinching the nerves that go to your fingers, it happened to me but wasn't permanent.
Just a little thing: Maybe if you are talking about bass weighing too much, you could say how much it weighs. And in contrast, how much does the replacement (or the other bass) weigh. So we'd know what you're talking about. Takes a few seconds, makes a world of difference.
Just started having this problem with my Sire! Good news is that they have addressed the issue with the new 2nd generation models and they're up to 3-4 pounds lighter now. So I might just have to grab one of those.
How much weight this Sire BAss?And how much wight NOW your BAss? Unfortunately, I am also affected by strong back pain..so that it is hardly possible for me to spit basses that have more than 4 kg ... I have now a Warwick Corvette the only one I have currently found with 3.5 kg and I do not soo high Loss of the complaint.I would, however, be grateful to everyone if he gives me tips on basses that weigh around 3.5 kg, maybe 3.8 and still sound good.
I agree 100%. I have played sitting down for years, 59 years old, back problems, shoulder problems, sciatica from time to time. I have changed the way I hold the bass, even though I am sitting down, resting it on both legs, and the biggest relief is from the Duostrap. I believe I could possibly even stand with it, but I am too accustomed to sitting now. Another option is one of the instrument stands on the market, such as the Mbrace.
I note that almost all the comments are a year old, but I did want to weight in on this thread. I have a gen 1 Sire V7 4 string, G&L L2500 5 string, and Ibanez GVB36 6 string. To me the G&L is the heavies while the V7 is the lightest (to me). Yes I am a big guy (6'4" 250) and I do have back issues. But my back issues are not from these basses but its standing for long periods of time. My V7 has weight to it but it is not very heavy to me. However, after 30 minutes in the same general spot, my back will scream at me, no matter what I have. I have carried my old Ibanez GSR200 (about 7 pounds), and my back still hurt. I found moving around, sitting on a stool I carry, or placing my foot on a yoga block helps a lot.
Yeah trying my friends Sire V7 I thought it was heavy too. I ended up getting the M7 which has a smaller, more compact and light. I think Sire would knock it out the park if they made a sleaker sexier J bass that was much lighter
I bought my second Sire V7 but this one is a 2nd generation bass and I can tell you it is noticeably lighter. The body is cut deeper at the top as well as about 7 new upgrades!
Hey Bro, glad you're doing better. I have a V7 and yeah it's definitely heavy but I primarily play in church so I can sit down most days. Keep the videos coming, you're helping me crack to code on the classics. Appreciate you bro and be blessed...
Question I have is why these basses are heavy. Is it because the body is bigger than other similar type basses? Is it because body is thicker? Is it because of wood density? Anybody has a clue? No issue for me yet, but I don't gig daily, or do 4 hour gigs... ;-).
Funny enough Ted, when I got my Sire, I got the same color scheme as you. I actually got to try mine out, so the weight is good. That said, I had to sell another bass because it was so heavy it was destroying straps and my hands were going numb every time I played a longer than 45 minute set. Thank you for sharing this and your other videos!
Saying it "feels heavy" doesn't mean anything. Looking at the weight of current and older fender 4 and 5 string basses the weight of the Sire bass is within the same range (9LBS 4 string and 9.5LBS for the 5 string). I can only assume that the bass balance could be throwing your back and a different strap may help relive a lot of tension. I know i played an F-Bass with a 3" padded but very stiff strap that killed my back and put extreme pressure on my shoulders until i changed the strap to a less fancy 2" soft strap. I would also recommend doing some exercises to focus on strengthening your back muscles which most people who exercise simply don't do.
I play 6 string and even as light as it is at the end of a gig, especially if it's 3 sets, my back has had enough. It's an age thing I'm afraid. Damage to your back is accumulative so as you get older it gets worse. I'm not sure I could play a 3 set gig with a bass. I'd be in agony.
Hey brother, I've never tried a Sire bass. I've heard them and heard good things about them. I have a MM signature jazz 4 string, a Ken Smith 5, and a Lakland 5. Seems many bass players are in an everlasting quest for tone, so I suggest trying a Lakland. Killer tone, versatile, and super light. Keep groovin' my friend!!
I find it really hard to believe that a bass weighing 2 or 3 pounds more than another one would cause excruciating back pain to a healthy adult male. Did it have metal spikes sticking out of it?
He took a while to clarify but the point is this: He had a bad back already, and the heavier bass just aggravated it. And yes 2-3lb can make a huge difference over the length of a set and especially with back problems as bad as he had. I once threw my bad back out by lifting 8lb off the floor - yes 8. It's the most frustrating thing in the world being strong enough to lift heavy objects, but you don't dare because you know some nerve ending is gonna keel you over in agony. And yes, once you get treatment it's all about maintenance - a lighter bass makes sense.
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I hear you on the back pain. I have a CR5 Smith bass that I love for tone et al, but the upper wing stops at fret 15 instead of 12, making it neck heavy. It ends up being heavy (because its a Smith!!) and only complicates playing. But until I break down and get a SIRE myself, I'll probably keep playing it out. I've found some postural positions that I teach my patients (as a Chiropractor) that helps. Basically, ballet first position is the key to being able to play those heavy instruments for extended periods of time.
There's a Spinal Tap joke in here somewhere about heavy basses ;-)
Ha! Nice! Thanks for commenting Doc
@@TedTalksBass My pleasure. Thanks for sharing everything you do!!
Will u sell me your ken smith bass ? If ur interested in selling ?
Just for information only.I'm 69 years old,been playing bass for over half a century and have a history of back problems but I don't find my Sire v7 too heavy.No problems after gigs either.Could the problem for some people be a postural thing?
I have no medical knowledge to rationalise this idea but I can recommend the 'Alexander technique' to help correct posture when playing as I used that method back(pun intended)
in the day when I was a student learning the cello.Maybe worth a try.
Ps, I also have a Les Paul that weighs in at over 10lbs.Good thick Levy strap does the trick and i'm no tough guy,honest.Good luck and enjoy creating those bottom lines.
I wish manufactures and retailers would include the weight of an instrument on their spec list. It's an important detail that is nearly always omitted.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am turning 60 and was going to get one but you save me from potential problems.
While it is heavy though, I think it is also worth mentioning that a really good padded strap goes a long way in helping bassists get through a show with a heavy bass. In my experience a wider and nicely padded strap does the trick for me. Weight is distributed even across the trap muscle. Doesn’t ensure that you won’t feel the weight of the bass over time but it does allow you to go further before you start to feel any fatigue.
I feel ya on that. 54 yrs of age right here and been playing bass for too long. Bought a 5 string V7 Sire bass about a year ago and man, I had to sell it. Too heavy. Head stock heavy. Caused a lot of neck, left shoulder, and left hip plate locked out. Yes sciatic nerve is screwed for life now. Back to them light weight Ibanez basses. Side note. I do miss that Sire funk tone though. Bomb bass, for a youngster. Keep on with that bass playing Sir.
Here's the response i got from Sire when i asked for the weight of the basses,
M2 (M3)
4 string
3.45kg = 7.6lbs
M2 5 string would be a pound more
V3 4 string 4kg = 8.8bls
V3 5 string would be a pound more
V7 (V7 Vintage)
V7 Alder 4st : 4.33kg = 9.54lbs
V7 Ash 4st : 4.34kg = 9.56lbs
V7 Alder 5st : 4.67kg = 10.29lbs
V7 Ash 5st : 4.38kg = 9.65lbs
M7
M7 4 Alder bass 8.5-9.5 lbs
M7 4 Ash bass 8.8-9.8 lbs
M7 5 Alder bass 8.8-9.9 lbs
M7 5 Ash bass 9.3-10.3 lbs
V9
V9 Alder 4st : 4.5kg = 9.9 lbs
V9 Ash 4st : 4.4kg = 9.7 lbs
V9 Alder 5st : 4.8kg= 10.6 lbs
V9 Ash 5st : 4.8kg = 10.6 lbs
you are a freaking hero. thanks so much
Had the same problem with my Sire bass, and struggled a lot with that. I love the bass other than that. Sorted it out by buying a real broad strap, and it worked. No more problems with back or shoulders. Fixed my problem and still use the Sire
I switched from stierling musicman ray34 at 14.7 lb to a sire V7 2nd generation at 8.8 it helped my back hope you feel better...
I had the same expetience with a Squier VM70s Jazz Bass. It was a real funk machine and the perfect beater bass. Really loved the built quality of the first series, but the maple body was far to heavy for my back coming in at 4.9 kg.
Maple and Ash are, in general, on the heavy side. Any bass with a natural finish tends to be heavy. The Squier VM 70's is great. Check it out with a finished body.
The Squier VM70's 4-string is my first bass--it is still absolutely pristine. After 1.5 yrs, I bought an older Fender Jazz (not vintage) ..needed a lighter bass. That Squier w/ Dunlop strings is awesome, but just too heavy for "me" for sustained playing. Peace.
Nelson Montana I was aware that this was no lightweight bass, but the problems with the weight started to increase over time. I got one of the lighter Squiers with a Sunburst finish 😀
I had some sciatica pain. From my job of lifting 50 pound box’s all day. Started doing deadlifts and squats and it went away.
Yeah unfortunately a lot of musicians aren't body builders 😂
I started taking a stool with me. So I just sit down and play.
Its the same problem with the squire fenders too, i sold my sire almost straight away and i ended up upgrading my standard jazz with a pre amp and have never looked back. Sires are amazing but they are heavier than a MM
I agree I’m 30 years old been playing bass for 20 years and I notice the same on G&L L2500 and my Sire P7. Sire are great bass but heavy.
The strap matters a lot too...I had a wide strap on my bass forever because I thought it would help my back but in fact...when I switched to a thinner strap all my issues went away and the bass feels light as a feather. Counterintuitive, but that’s my experience.
Couldn't agree more, had a 3" very stiff leather strap with plenty of padding and the thing would put so much pressure on my back and shoulders. Switched over to a 2" soft strap and no trouble at all with much better balance on my neck.
Agreed. I had one that played well and sounded great. And for the price, they're amazing. But the weight was a deal breaker.
How about the sire M7 much lighter than my Spector Euro. Did you try that bass? Also stretching before playing may also help.try vitamins that are good for joints may also be a help. I play both bass and guitar. Like one of the brothers on the comment line has mentioned check out your strap. Many bass /guitar players don’t realize how important a quality strap can be.
Sorry to hear that...i’m 53 and gigging 4 to 5 times a week and i’m loving my Sire v7 vintage 4 and 5 strings, no issues at this point but thanks for the tip,i guess it just goes to show you that we’re all made different…which is a good thing right?..thanks for posting the playing tips as well,always nice to gain some new knowledge
The 4 string S7's are listed at 8.5 lbs, which is not very heavy. Fender J or P basses are within that range, most Jazz basses are closer to 9... I'd love to know the weight of this particular bass he's talking about.
Matt Hogeboom yes the new gen is lighter
Bro, I truly appreciate your feedback on this, because the Sire basses are beautiful and sound great. However, I was wondering about the weight, as I have also had some back problems years ago. Many thanks for your honest thoughts!
Before trying to buy the Sire V7, I checked with a dealer and they said it weights 9.7 lbs. That doesn't sound like a lot, but I got discouraged and switch to the M7, instead. Will find out soon once it gets here comes first of April.
Hope you're doing better Brother !
You know they need you out there .
Keep picking and groovin' .
Thanks man. Much much better now but it was a long hard road. Worst pain EVER.
I wish more players would address the issue of the weight of the bass. Could anybody recommend lightweight basses that are good quality instrument? Thanks!
+Jeff McBride honestly bro, I think that there’s a kind of “sire cult” and some cats think that if you’re saying something against the bass you’re speaking against Marcus personally or the company.
That’s how companies grow, the ones that care at least.
The new generation of Basses are lighter for sure but I stand behind this video.
Yamaha TRBX line, especially the 500 and 600 series models.
I play a Fender mustang Player and a Hofner Club bass. My shoulder and left arm mobility issues are addressed with these basses, plus I really like the tone, the looks.
They are great for sure.
+1 Every Sire Bass I’ve picked up has been heavy- well built but weight is a deal breaker
The question is why do they make these instruments so heavy? Some people think a light guitar is cheap but i feel the opposite as they resonate better and are easier to play. A 4 string bass should be no heavier than 8lbs in my opinion. My Geddy Lee Jazz Bass was around 12 lbs and I had to get rid of it so I switched to the MTD Kingston series basses and have been very happy as they are very comfortable and play better than any other basses i've tried.
They’ve fixed the weight issue. Look, I think that weight does indeed affect tone. But at a certain point standing around with a heavy instrument on a consistent basis takes it toll, you know?
I got rid of my V7 ( the one in my profile pic ) for the same reason after a year or so. It weighed over 10lbs
I do admit mine feels heavy too. Thinking should I get a mini bass
I have herd about complaints of v7. Is there like that
Not sure if RUclips took down the sound or not but this video is muted for me. The other videos I watch don't have this issue
Interesting. Shouldn’t be muted.
Are all Sire basses that are the same model, string configuration, etc… all weigh the same or within no more that one pound of each other????? I know in the Fender realm, there can be more than one pound difference between otherwise identical versions of the same bass. Would any more consistency be expected or hoped for out of Sire? I’m am sorry about your back. That sucks!
My V7 was also on the heavy side (Alder), but when I ordered my V7 vintage (Ash) I specifically told them I wanted a lighter bass. They delivered. It's about 8lbs. 14oz.
I appreciate this video! I tried a Sire for about a year and had to sell it too. Killed my back! My Fender jazz bass was not much lighter, but there was something about the balance of the Sire that caused me all sorts of pain. Best of luck with your recovery! Keep it funky.
Word up! Sire is actually sending me a new bass so I'll post another video soon!
Coole technik , I agree Wright is an argument although for me as a guitar player . So I do not play a Les Paul because its about one kilo more than a start our a 339 epihone ..thanks for your open info
Jumped on RUclips today looking for videos for Sire basses with Lindy Fralins installed. Saw this video in the suggestions a decided to check it out. Sires are pretty heavy. I also wanted to say thank you for sharing that funky lick at the end. Just picked up a new subscriber.
Thank you brother
My Stingray hangs on the wall because of the same reason, played it from 1980 to 2017, got a Sire and the same thing, too Heavy, I now play a Yamaha 734, it's a dream. Hey what bass is this on the video and do you gig with it?
Hi there. Thanks for sharing.
I have just got a Sire Marcus Miller V5 passive Jazz bass and it weighs about 8 lb 13 oz. It is somewhat lighter than my Fender Jazz bass which is 10lb 8 oz. Wood of the same mass is never the same weight. You can pick up 2 of exactly the same guitar and still have quit a difference in weight.
I had a Fender early 1980s Telecaster once an it was ridiculously heavy. The body was ash but it was so dense it weighed way too much. I got rod of that in the end for a lovely lightweight 52 Tele reissue.
It is always best to see and try instruments before buying them. At least then you know whether the weight of any guitar is going to suit you. Saying that I bought my Sire V5 online. I was lucky as it isn't what is considered heavy at 8 lb 13 oz.
lol, I feel your pain. I played a Peavey T60 guitar back in the 80s for a while. I was in the shape you're talking about after a 3hr gig. That thing had a fantastic sound, but it weighed 14 pounds, seriously. I've been playing a very light Ibanez SR500 the last few years, and I like the size and feel, but to me it's lacking in a few areas. I was actually looking at a MM Sire V7. I'm also looking at a Schecter Diamond Series Stiletto custom, but not sure if I want to stay with a 4 string or go to 5. I have a friend that plays one in a melodic metal band, and it sounds great, but of course a lot ( most ) of that is her. The only other bass I had a long time and played live, and liked, was in the 80s I had a Steinberger Spirit headless. Oddly enough it had a lot of punch. What is your opinion on the Schecter?
And btw, prayers for healing.
Yo, that was one of my reasons I sold my Sire as well!!! Even if I had one of those thick Levy’s straps, it still ended up being to heavy for me. That’s crazy how much pain it gave you though! I’m all about light-weight basses, man.
Im 63 years and I have the M7 1st Gen 5 with rosewood board with no problem. My 2cents. Remarkable small body and do turn heads
The M7 is considerably much lighter than the V7. I own both basses. My M7 5 string is about 7lbs whereas my V7 5 is about 11 lbs.
Try the M7. Very light, sounds excellent
The Duostrap is an excellent option. I am 59 years old, with back and shoulder problems, as well as occasional sciatica. I have played sitting for years, most recently balancing the bass on both legs. The Duostrap has caused an excellent weight reduction.
Another option is one of the instrument stands on the market, such as the Mbrace.
I just got myself a Sire V7 Vintage 5, and I believe this video all the way. That is the heaviest bass I have now (and I do have a first year T-40) I played it this past weekend and my shoulder was just hating life. I never understood that as a younger guy, always played heavy Warwick’s, but now at 34 I’m starting to turn into that guy that wants the light bass.
Really though! I really dug the basses though. Check out this video. I'm sitting down. This was at the height of the back pain. My room was a 2 - 5-minute walk from the stage. I had to be driven there in a golf cart because I couldn't walk. Miserable! ruclips.net/video/4ECDgJNNoKk/видео.html
Did you play an Ash or Alder one? Is the extra weight because of the preamp? Thanks for your this. Supposedly the 2nd generation are lighter?
Sorry to hear about the health issue my brother… I definitely understand EXACTLY what you’re saying though… I bought a CORT five string… The new jazz bass version that they have… And fell in love because it has 19 mm bridge spacing as well as it’s a 35 scale… And haven’t touched my sire V7 in months… During the sermon after the choir was finished at church service this past Sunday… Just to look at it, went to take it out of the case and was like “what the heck?! This bass is ridiculously heavy“ I never realized it until I hadn’t touched it in months and then went back to do so… Trust me when I tell you, that Bass continues to stay in the case… LOL
LOL
The M7 is a little lighter than V7 but it feels a LOT lighter. I suffer from sciatica too.
In my opinion, they should make it mandatory to list the weight of the guitars, basses (especially basses) in the specs. What do you think?
+Viet Mai well, I don’t want my response to sound like Sire has deceptive practices I do think that it would be helpful to know a Bass’ weight before purchase. I don’t know Whether or not it should be “mandatory” but it would certainly be helpful. I know that the newer versions are indeed lighter but it’s hard buying an instrument sight unseen for sure.
@@TedTalksBass Well, that goes without saying. Had you known the weight of the Sire V7 beforehand, would you still buy it? "Mandatory" is just a way to express it, but it's necessary. It'd eliminate the guessing game, wouldn't it?
+Viet Mai oh for sure!
They are definitely heavy old basses. I can imagine they could be problematic after a 3 hour gig. Mine is heavier than my 5 string!
But as you say- a great sound and fantastic value.
The early ones are heavy. One of mine his a boat anchor lol. But the new ones are much lighter, thanks to the power of social media
If you think that bass is heavy you should hold my bubinga warwick. As far as ultra light jazz style basses lightest ive seen is the sandberg california, can be configured to weigh 7 pounds. Also if you're having lower back pain you should do L-Sits with a pullup bar.
I think im all professions you need to do excercises as a person always sitting in the office, you have to stretching and doing some to things in order to avoid a injury. For a musician is the same, when he or she is in a gig, you have to stay stand for many hours, also carry a weight (high or low it doesn't care) you need to exercise, in the years the body get worst
I recently acquired a parts bass with a Sire V7 neck on a Warmoth dinky jazz (with Aero pickups). It's freaking amazing. Sounds great, and it's passive. Weighs about 9lbs. I got real lucky with that purchase. The Sire neck feels fantastic. I didn't know I would like the 7.25 inch radius so much.
Thanks for calling that problem out at last! I play a chinese Ammoon P-Bass copy for 100€ because that was the only bass I could get that weighs 3 kg! My MIM Fender weighs 4.3 and is considered light by some. Sires are probably 5-6 kg, at least the ones I tried. I would love to play a better quality instrument, but I am not going over 3kg anymore! It is a pity noone makes any 😣
+doczooc :/(
I have been playing my 1978 Peavey T40 since I purchased it new in 1978. A true tree trunk, but I can't pass up the sound (see it in my icon). I currently own an Ibanez SR1400 Premium and a Fender Jazz Deluxe 5 string. The Peavey is and always has been my favorite
I’ve had a t-40 for many years also
Hi! I have faced the same issue and that's why I sold off my v7 5string. It's an Ash body maple neck version. But recently, the 2nd generation sire basses has released. I'm pretty excited about them cause, they're claiming that they have worked with the weight issue this time. So if you really love the tone of sire basses, try them and groove on. Lots of love and respect to you
Respect brother. Believe it or not they contacted me about sending a second gen. I’m excited to see what’s up with them
@@TedTalksBass thats awesome! Please make a video of that also. Probably, next week I'm going to my known shop to check one of them out. I think it won't be disappointing at all
Indeed! I think sire makes great instruments so I’m sure a lighter version would be great.
What is the weight difference between the two basses?
Wish you good health!!!
Thanks for the video - I had this problem a few years ago. Was awful. Stopped after I let go of my heavy 6 string bass and went back to a 5er.
What is the bass in your video? Looks/ sounds great. Strings?
Be well
Apparently the 2nd gen of Sire Basses are lighter too
That’s great!!
Update: I have a V3 5 string and it weighs 10.5 lbs. It killed me in rehearsal, but lo and behold... at the gig it felt great and I had no problem with the weight.
+Ted Knecht hmm. Yeah that 1st gen is a killer
I feel you, but I play an '81 Yamaha BB that weighs 26.5 pounds and was thinking of going down to the Sire V7 4. I don't like very light basses that feel cheap, like those Ibanez basses.
Well god bless...26.5 wow you must be built like Aaaaaahnold
Wait....it is more than 11 kilograms. Are you sure? It is twice the weight of a heavy bass!
Haha, I wish I was built like that. And yeah, pretty sure. That is what they had it listed as on the specs, anyways. I certainly didn't second-guess it, as I've never held a heavier bass.
I get the “heavy-ness” of some Basses… THAT’s why l “Switched” to a “Short Scale” (Ibanez)
Come back on this... I've now played several gigs with my V3 5 string and no sweat. I got me a big 4" strap and all is well. I can hang, but we have a short set.
I’m not hip to the V3
I too, loved the sound, fit & finish of my ash V7 5string. But, I couldn’t handle the weight because I do have back & neck issues (including multiple surgeries). Truth is, some weight more than others..... I remember the first Bassplayer review of the Sire & the reviewed bass was relatively light. So, I took a chance & received a heavy one. Several years ago, it wouldn’t have been a problem!
Same back issues too. I got the V3 they are lighter.
Oh my goodness. I 've been suffering the same thing since Oct. 2017! Pain so bad, thought I was literally gonna die 😰. I'm a bassist out of Birmingham. Just lookin at sire v10 after being a lil disappointed with my "agy" upgrade. Hope they are lighter. Wishing you full recovery. Mine has recovered to around 5-10%. Very guarded though. Peace brother, and thanx for this very informative video.
And the Sire V7 Alder 2nd generation,It is lighter?
Believe me man that's the same reason I sold my sire V7. So I feel you everything you're saying.
i love my v7 so much, but really find it too heavy. not sure about selling it though. what can i get for the same price point?
Wow, sorry to hear about your back problems, Ted. Your health is priority #1, and I'm fortunate I've never had severe back problems because I know how crippling it can be. I own a few Sires, and I definitely concur they can be heavy. The last one I ordered from them, a V7 vintage, I specifically asked Mickey to get me the lightest one he could. I ended up with one that weighs a little over 9lbs, which I can tolerate.
Thanks for posting this.
I was wondering what happens while playing active and the battery went empty. Can you swith right away to play passive?
Yes
@@TedTalksBass so without a battery I can play passive. So no problem at a gig
@@issedabelangriekhekkeoenet7542 that is correct
@@issedabelangriekhekkeoenet7542 some people actually prefer it.
@@TedTalksBass yeah I believe it
You can lose the mobility of your fingers from back and neck problems pinching the nerves that go to your fingers, it happened to me but wasn't permanent.
I found the same thing. I had a V7 five string, in ash. SO HEAVY. I loved it, but sold it. May try a 4 string in Alder to see if it's better.
Just a little thing: Maybe if you are talking about bass weighing too much, you could say how much it weighs. And in contrast, how much does the replacement (or the other bass) weigh. So we'd know what you're talking about. Takes a few seconds, makes a world of difference.
I appreciate your comment.
@@TedTalksBass Now I'm super curious as to the weight of the 'old' and the new Sires.
I have the same problem, love the sire bass, but mine is to heavy
Just started having this problem with my Sire! Good news is that they have addressed the issue with the new 2nd generation models and they're up to 3-4 pounds lighter now. So I might just have to grab one of those.
Killer. Yeah man, sire is actually sending over a 2nd Generation bass. Should have it in a few days.
How much weight this Sire BAss?And how much wight NOW your BAss? Unfortunately, I am also affected by strong back pain..so that it is hardly possible for me to spit basses that have more than 4 kg ... I have now a Warwick Corvette the only one I have currently found with 3.5 kg and I do not soo high Loss of the complaint.I would, however, be grateful to everyone if he gives me tips on basses that weigh around 3.5 kg, maybe 3.8 and still sound good.
I purchased mine and sold it the same month for a loss. Bass was too heavy, age has nothing to do with it...
Bro I hear you. I was playing an old Peavy Millennium last week and it killed my 53-yr-old back.
I like my Sires have alder and ash , they are still lighter than my L2000 and Ray34 those 2 are boat anchors.
Try the gruvgear duostrap, it divides the weight evenly on your shoulders. Highly recommended
I agree 100%. I have played sitting down for years, 59 years old, back problems, shoulder problems, sciatica from time to time. I have changed the way I hold the bass, even though I am sitting down, resting it on both legs, and the biggest relief is from the Duostrap.
I believe I could possibly even stand with it, but I am too accustomed to sitting now.
Another option is one of the instrument stands on the market, such as the Mbrace.
I note that almost all the comments are a year old, but I did want to weight in on this thread. I have a gen 1 Sire V7 4 string, G&L L2500 5 string, and Ibanez GVB36 6 string. To me the G&L is the heavies while the V7 is the lightest (to me). Yes I am a big guy (6'4" 250) and I do have back issues. But my back issues are not from these basses but its standing for long periods of time. My V7 has weight to it but it is not very heavy to me. However, after 30 minutes in the same general spot, my back will scream at me, no matter what I have. I have carried my old Ibanez GSR200 (about 7 pounds), and my back still hurt. I found moving around, sitting on a stool I carry, or placing my foot on a yoga block helps a lot.
By the way, I am 62 and yes it can be an age thing. I also found lots and lots of stretching helps.
Akinja Richards thank you for the thoughtful responses!
Question - Ash body?
+Alex Mueller alder
@@TedTalksBass I just emailed them with the suggestion that they chamber their bodies.
58. Have the same problem with my SX 5string. Over 10 lbs. I made a 6.5 lb bass.
Yeah trying my friends Sire V7 I thought it was heavy too. I ended up getting the M7 which has a smaller, more compact and light.
I think Sire would knock it out the park if they made a sleaker sexier J bass that was much lighter
I bought my second Sire V7 but this one is a 2nd generation bass and I can tell you it is noticeably lighter. The body is cut deeper at the top as well as about 7 new upgrades!
I so want to get a steinberger spirit xt25 5 string bass. Lightest bass ever!
Hey Bro, glad you're doing better. I have a V7 and yeah it's definitely heavy but I primarily play in church so I can sit down most days. Keep the videos coming, you're helping me crack to code on the classics. Appreciate you bro and be blessed...
Sweet brethren!
peavey T40?
Question I have is why these basses are heavy. Is it because the body is bigger than other similar type basses? Is it because body is thicker? Is it because of wood density? Anybody has a clue? No issue for me yet, but I don't gig daily, or do 4 hour gigs... ;-).
Same, purchased V7 great sound buy swamp ash model weighs a ton. Back to Yamaha again.
Funny enough Ted, when I got my Sire, I got the same color scheme as you. I actually got to try mine out, so the weight is good. That said, I had to sell another bass because it was so heavy it was destroying straps and my hands were going numb every time I played a longer than 45 minute set. Thank you for sharing this and your other videos!
I sold my V7 for the same reason. It's a shame they are so dang heavy! More than 2lbs heavier than my Fender jazz basses...
Funny that I commented on your unboxing video that I was not a fan of my sire and one of the reasons it was heavy as a cinderblock
Haha
You should try my TRB-JP2 :) - I feel Ya though It shouldn't be painful to play a bass ...
Saying it "feels heavy" doesn't mean anything. Looking at the weight of current and older fender 4 and 5 string basses the weight of the Sire bass is within the same range (9LBS 4 string and 9.5LBS for the 5 string). I can only assume that the bass balance could be throwing your back and a different strap may help relive a lot of tension. I know i played an F-Bass with a 3" padded but very stiff strap that killed my back and put extreme pressure on my shoulders until i changed the strap to a less fancy 2" soft strap. I would also recommend doing some exercises to focus on strengthening your back muscles which most people who exercise simply don't do.
I play 6 string and even as light as it is at the end of a gig, especially if it's 3 sets, my back has had enough. It's an age thing I'm afraid. Damage to your back is accumulative so as you get older it gets worse. I'm not sure I could play a 3 set gig with a bass. I'd be in agony.
Certainly not a bass that weighs that much. I don’t know that all of the Sires are that heavy. The one that I had was.
Is the M2 as heavy as the V7?
No, it's very light. I have an M2 2nd gen and I LOVE it!
Now imagine how the upright bass players feel. Those are the real heroes. )
Yep. I don't play any bass that weighs much more than 8 lbs.
Thx for this bro
Hey brother, I've never tried a Sire bass. I've heard them and heard good things about them. I have a MM signature jazz 4 string, a Ken Smith 5, and a Lakland 5. Seems many bass players are in an everlasting quest for tone, so I suggest trying a Lakland. Killer tone, versatile, and super light. Keep groovin' my friend!!
I find it really hard to believe that a bass weighing 2 or 3 pounds more than another one would cause excruciating back pain to a healthy adult male. Did it have metal spikes sticking out of it?
He took a while to clarify but the point is this: He had a bad back already, and the heavier bass just aggravated it. And yes 2-3lb can make a huge difference over the length of a set and especially with back problems as bad as he had.
I once threw my bad back out by lifting 8lb off the floor - yes 8. It's the most frustrating thing in the world being strong enough to lift heavy objects, but you don't dare because you know some nerve ending is gonna keel you over in agony.
And yes, once you get treatment it's all about maintenance - a lighter bass makes sense.