Agreed about the Decathlon MT100, I have that, and the 3Ful Lanshan tents (I have a Lanshan 2 and 1) and can confirm they are good. I want a Durston X-Mid but current prices is a no, and the Lanshan is noisy in wind but has survived just fine (people having issues aren't pitching it low enough - ALWAYS take more pegs or Delta ground anchors/ground hogs if you can), and had no leaks. I demonstrate cheaper alcohol stoves in my new video, the Speedster burner which weighs a tiny 20g, their 20ml version is only 8g! which unlike the Trangia is I think lighter than their burner and definitely cheaper (and also can use alcohol - looked at solid fuel or gel but the availability can be an issue) - similar to the X-Boil or OGE/Kojin style burners. That's £5 plus p&p! And it works great, especially if you make or get a Caldera Cone (you need a windshield anyway, next video is going to show how to make your own from £1 foil platters). BRS stove I suspect is a bit too budget, I hear the Fire Maple & Aplkit stoves are a good bet, but when you're talking MSR Pocket Rocker being around £30ish vs £14 I think it might be worth considering secondhand or spending slightly more...but again not used the BRS. Backpacks there are cheaper makes (Crown2 is impossible to get cheaply in the UK, I have tried), I use a Kelty Coyote 80 which might be heavier for UL but it's a decent pack; there's also the Eurohike 65L which is a very budget friendly £25 but it very basic - no water bottle pockets! But only 1.3kg, and even the Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor 40-60L I can get here for under £100. Ditto sleeping bags - the Aegismax Nano 2 is great, I use that, a down bag for under £100. It's not a quilt and not for super low temps (comfor 0 to 5C), but for most people unless they are winter camping, it'll be fine. You can layer it with other things like a thermal liner (Sea To Summit Reactor Thermolite, I own that) and/or a reflective blanket/extra foam mattress to increase the rating for colder temps. Mattresses I'm surprised more people aren't looking into the Naturehike 5.8R mattress aka Lighttour, that will be my next purchase when I've saved up. Reviews are great on that from the few people who are using it. I have a heavier Trail Pro which is a R-rating of 4 which is decent if a pain to fix in the field....
Few things out there will be as durable and reliable as a Trangia system. Nothing is as cheap as a stove with infinite and free fuel like a woodstove (I recommend Picogrill or Toaks, but the LOFI looks good) If your sleep poorly, then nothing else matters in the outdoors - the next day will be bad. Over a week or more it will damage your logical thinking and might risk putting you in a dangerous situation. For that reason, I do not mind carrying extra weight for a proper sleep system. Amok Draumr is amazing, like 'sleeping on a cloud' as everyone else says. I have standard, not UL, and it's fine. Outsourcing the tarp saved me 100€. got a 3x4m but 3x3 is fine.
I have the Naturehike Cloud-up 2 and after using it on several backpacking trips, incl the TMB, I recently also bought the Star River 2. Because it has side entrances I think on longer trips it is just more comfy to get in and out. Used it recently and I like it. Though it does weigh 2kg.. For really light hiking I'm looking at the 3UFL Lanshan 2, I hear so many good things about that one! And I'm a big fan of Cumulus. I now have 2 of their sleepingbags. The Panyam600 and the Lite Line 300.
Cumulus are great and glad to hear you have positive feedback from using the Cloud-Up… side entry is preferable yea 😄 … so yo are looking at the standard or Pro version of Lanshan?
Great video! Six Moons makes some very durable light weight tents, you just need to seal the seems yourself it’s pretty easy plus it’s a good way to learn about the tent. Cheers!
I’m not a big fan of alcohol stoves, so much messier compared to gas… but enjoy using one from time to time anyways and also the small esbits… fun to play around and try different things! The X-boil is new to me but looks interesting, we have a guy here in Sweden manufacturing these in a small amount from time to time… some love them! Haven’t tried.
Thank you Robert for the video ... I was really glad you also mentioned LUNDHAGS ❤ I love their backbags and clothes and also bought the padje light (60 l) you show on video. I have had six backpacks from Lundhags and that one is the lightest one (in that size) 😊 (1.1 kg) Really great product!!!
🙏🏻 and yeah… ever since I heard Lundhags was producing lighter packs I wanted to try them out… haven’t happened yet but I hope I get a chance during next year.
When I was young there was big push for us to learn the metric system. They would tell us everything was going to be metric. For whatever reasons it never happened and most of my knowledge of the metric system is long gone.
SLEEPING PADS An R-value of 4.3+ for summer is an overkill. R-value 3.0 is more than enough for everyone. For example, I just did a test here in Canada: - Max low temperature: 1 degree celcius - Tent: MSR Hubba Hubba 2 person, 2023 - Sleeping pad: Thermarest Neoair Max r-value 3.0 - Sleeping bag 1: No name, mummy shape, synthetic, summer sleeping bag (no rating) - Sleeping bag 2: Outbound, ultra light, rectangular shape, very wide, summer sleeping bag - Pillow: Stuff sac with clothing inside - Clothing: - very thin hoodie (coton) - lightweight syntetic leggins - very lose and thin merino wool socks - Additional: Sunshade for car windshield (mylar style) I've used that very basic setup with a mix of very high end and very low budget to see how it would perform: - The tent has little effect since it's not a winter tent. - Rectangular sleeping bags are not the best to keep you warm. The one I used is even worst since it was very, very wide at the foot level. It's designed for hot summer nights. - The second one is warmer, but heavier since synthetic. The mummy shape helped. - I've inserted the mummy shaped one in the rectangular one. The combination of both was still lightweight and compact since they were summer sleeping bags. (Not Ultra light tho). - My stuff sac (for sleeping bag) is doubled on ONE side with fleece. That's a mod used by experienced/pro hikers. It adds a very little heat, but we take everything we can, right!? And it's lighter than any pillow on the market. - Cotton is a big no no in winter. BUT, it's ok IF for sleeping. That very thin hoodie is great since the hood covers both my head and neck if needed. The best would be a Merino one tho, but much more expensive. The results are: I was so warm that I had to keep the mummy shaped one open! I only wear the hood on my head for a few hours on two nights total. I realized how much I now hate the Thermarest pads. They're nowhere as comfortable as the Nemo's ones and the brand new Nemo Extreme is simply amazing! Also, it rained the night before I set the tent, and rained again for 30 hours straight after that, with a temperature around 4-5 degree Celsius. Still, I was toasty! Bottom line, a 3.0 r-value does wonder even with a basic sleeping bag and the Mylar sheet under the pad improves the setup a lot. It also keep the condensation between the Mylar and floor tent, keeping your sleeping pad bone dry. NEMO vs CUMULUS Nemo offers much higher quality sleeping bags at lower cost than Cumulus (in North America) CLOSED-CELL FOAM PAD The thin closed-cell foam pad adding warmth is a myth. The R-value is ...ZERO point 5 (0.5). A basic cheap car sunshade, Mylar style, sold for $2 at any dollar store helps better. And a lot cheaper. How true is that? Erik Larsen, a well known polar explorer is doubling his floor tent with... Reflectix. If good at the poles, then I guess the concept is also valid everywhere, right? COOKSET/STOVES It was very good to mention "boiling water only". There are tons of cooksets for thousands of types of adventures. So choosing one can be difficult. The BRS is a classic and the number one complaint is the weakness of the legs, followed by no simmering option (but that's ok if boiling water as stated by Robert). If you have the budget and looking to use isopropane canisters, SOTO is the way to go (in my opinion). And if you want THE best all year round stove: The Optimus Polaris Optifuel is the one to go for. Expensive, but it's classified as an "investment" since you'll still be using it in 20 years from now. And the best of the best: A SOTO stove for 3 seasons + Polaris Optifuel for winter (or canoe camping, etc...) POINT 5: TRANGIA Trangia is not a big thing in North America, this for many reasons (not going to talk about that here). But it has its followers. Trangia (pronounced TrangUia) is a BIG thing in Sweden tho, and there's probably not a single house there without at least one Trangia stove! As for the new stove, there is a new one and an older one: - Trangia Micro Original: 500ml pot and lid, alcohol burner, pot stand/windscreen from the Mini, 282g, $32 - Trangia Micro Light: 500ml pot and lid, gel burner, pot stand/windscreen from the Mini, 188g, $29 And I have to agree with many, their pot stand/windshield is a total crap. And the major downside is the fuel. Isobutane canisters and White gas (Naphta) are MUCH easier to find anywhere you may go. Another downside for the Micro Light vs the MINI. The Micro Light is using a taller and less wide pot than the MINI. So, it'll take more time to cook since the heat has to travel more height. Also the mini has a frying pan and bigger pot. Mattias Eriksson has probably the best Trangia comparison & mods tricks video on RUclips if you want to learn more. On a final note, it's always nice to discover new brands from other countries. Big thanks for that!
Re: sleeping pad R value - it depends whether someone sleeps hot or cold and personal preference. I used a pad that was around 2.8 and froze in summer. Now use a Nemo Tensor insulated pad in summer and it's perfect. But I would prefer being slightly warm than slightly cold.
@@sharonlivingstone5956 The problem is that many rely, mostly, on the pad to get warm. That's a mistake. A good sleeping bag is essential, then you add the pad. Also, if you read my post, then you'll notice I use a mylar blanket with the pad. It also depends on how you used your pad. It might sound silly, but there's a good and wrong way. It's all about physics. The main factor getting you cold (in this case) is "Conduction". It's heat transfer from your body to a material. So what happens is that your body wants to warm up what you're in contact with. Because of this, your body wants to warm up the air in your sleeping pad. Then, that heat wants to warm up the ground... So what you have is a conduit transferring your body heat to the ground. This being said, some pads are insulated, but still, the "heat conduit/transfer" occurs. The best way is to add a mylar blanket, or a sunshade for car windshield (those aluminum/mylar), under your sleeping pad. This will trap the heat between your body and the ground. Is that truly working? I've never been cold using this. And next time you go to the hardware store, check for what's called REFLECTIX and read the instructions. It says it works best if used in a sandwich! And guess what? One of the items inside sleeping pad, is.. mylar. You can also use a mylar blanket directly under your sleeping bag, but it's best under it. And the best of the best is one under the sleeping bag, and one under the sleeping bag. Mylar blankets costs nothing and weight nothing. Try that with your 2.8 pad then give me news :)
@@DiabloOutdoors thanks. I use a quilt and my experience is that the pad is the essential part for not getting cold at night. We're all different though and it's great when we find the setup that works best for us.
@@sharonlivingstone5956 Sharon, First, my comments was all about physics 101 and sleeping bag or quilt doesn't change a thing vs that. Second, I've never said a sleeping pad is not essential for not getting cold at night. In fact, I said the total opposite. Third, the laws of physics doesn't change whatever a quilt or not. Also, just so you know, Top sleeping pads uses layers of "Aluminized Films" for insulation. A what is "Aluminized Film" ? It's simply Mylar, that's it.... So, what I've said stands: Adding a Mylar sheet between your pad and the tent floor makes a big difference. And adding one below and on top makes a HUGE difference. And the nail on the coffin: THE best sleeping pad on the market at this time is the NEMO Tensor Extreme with an R-Value of 8.5. And what do they use? 4x "Aluminized Films".. "strategically placed" inside. Meaning: 4 Mylar sheets with space in between... This being said, maybe you're more than happy to spend several hundreds dollars more to buy a new pad, instead of spending $2 for the exact same result... But this info may be valuable to others not rich and wanting to keep their money to buy other gear instead.
@@DiabloOutdoors Thanks. I'm glad you found something that works for you. It won't work for everyone though, but that's OK, we have to figure out our own best sleep system 😊
I know the feeling… I’m actually waiting for the delivery of both a 1p and 2p version of the Lanshan to try out! Always wanted to try them and now I have the chance!! Both in the standard version… there will be a review later and my honest opinion about them!
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Agreed about the Decathlon MT100, I have that, and the 3Ful Lanshan tents (I have a Lanshan 2 and 1) and can confirm they are good. I want a Durston X-Mid but current prices is a no, and the Lanshan is noisy in wind but has survived just fine (people having issues aren't pitching it low enough - ALWAYS take more pegs or Delta ground anchors/ground hogs if you can), and had no leaks.
I demonstrate cheaper alcohol stoves in my new video, the Speedster burner which weighs a tiny 20g, their 20ml version is only 8g! which unlike the Trangia is I think lighter than their burner and definitely cheaper (and also can use alcohol - looked at solid fuel or gel but the availability can be an issue) - similar to the X-Boil or OGE/Kojin style burners. That's £5 plus p&p! And it works great, especially if you make or get a Caldera Cone (you need a windshield anyway, next video is going to show how to make your own from £1 foil platters).
BRS stove I suspect is a bit too budget, I hear the Fire Maple & Aplkit stoves are a good bet, but when you're talking MSR Pocket Rocker being around £30ish vs £14 I think it might be worth considering secondhand or spending slightly more...but again not used the BRS.
Backpacks there are cheaper makes (Crown2 is impossible to get cheaply in the UK, I have tried), I use a Kelty Coyote 80 which might be heavier for UL but it's a decent pack; there's also the Eurohike 65L which is a very budget friendly £25 but it very basic - no water bottle pockets! But only 1.3kg, and even the Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor 40-60L I can get here for under £100.
Ditto sleeping bags - the Aegismax Nano 2 is great, I use that, a down bag for under £100. It's not a quilt and not for super low temps (comfor 0 to 5C), but for most people unless they are winter camping, it'll be fine. You can layer it with other things like a thermal liner (Sea To Summit Reactor Thermolite, I own that) and/or a reflective blanket/extra foam mattress to increase the rating for colder temps.
Mattresses I'm surprised more people aren't looking into the Naturehike 5.8R mattress aka Lighttour, that will be my next purchase when I've saved up. Reviews are great on that from the few people who are using it. I have a heavier Trail Pro which is a R-rating of 4 which is decent if a pain to fix in the field....
Great info! I don’t love my Lan Shan 1 person, but it’s cheap and light and gets me on the trail. I’ll definitely want to upgrade later.
Few things out there will be as durable and reliable as a Trangia system.
Nothing is as cheap as a stove with infinite and free fuel like a woodstove (I recommend Picogrill or Toaks, but the LOFI looks good)
If your sleep poorly, then nothing else matters in the outdoors - the next day will be bad. Over a week or more it will damage your logical thinking and might risk putting you in a dangerous situation. For that reason, I do not mind carrying extra weight for a proper sleep system.
Amok Draumr is amazing, like 'sleeping on a cloud' as everyone else says. I have standard, not UL, and it's fine. Outsourcing the tarp saved me 100€. got a 3x4m but 3x3 is fine.
I have the Naturehike Cloud-up 2 and after using it on several backpacking trips, incl the TMB, I recently also bought the Star River 2. Because it has side entrances I think on longer trips it is just more comfy to get in and out. Used it recently and I like it. Though it does weigh 2kg..
For really light hiking I'm looking at the 3UFL Lanshan 2, I hear so many good things about that one!
And I'm a big fan of Cumulus. I now have 2 of their sleepingbags. The Panyam600 and the Lite Line 300.
Cumulus are great and glad to hear you have positive feedback from using the Cloud-Up… side entry is preferable yea 😄 … so yo are looking at the standard or Pro version of Lanshan?
Great video! Six Moons makes some very durable light weight tents, you just need to seal the seems yourself it’s pretty easy plus it’s a good way to learn about the tent. Cheers!
Same for the Lanshan Pro if going for that version… the standard comes seam sealed if the info I have is correct.
Six Moons is excessively expensive here (Australia).
I'm in Canada, and I too use the BRS. On shorter trips I used a DIY Fancy Feast alcohol stove. But now considering the X-BOIL alcohol stove.
I’m not a big fan of alcohol stoves, so much messier compared to gas… but enjoy using one from time to time anyways and also the small esbits… fun to play around and try different things!
The X-boil is new to me but looks interesting, we have a guy here in Sweden manufacturing these in a small amount from time to time… some love them! Haven’t tried.
Thank you Robert for the video ... I was really glad you also mentioned LUNDHAGS ❤ I love their backbags and clothes and also bought the padje light (60 l) you show on video. I have had six backpacks from Lundhags and that one is the lightest one (in that size) 😊 (1.1 kg) Really great product!!!
🙏🏻 and yeah… ever since I heard Lundhags was producing lighter packs I wanted to try them out… haven’t happened yet but I hope I get a chance during next year.
On of these days I will learn the metric system and join the rest of the civilized world.
😂👍🏻 no need… me being a bit lazy not adding the lbs and inch for joy guys this time!!! Sorry for that!! Won’t happen again
One day they will join us and figure it out
There's this thing called the internet, and if you go to the right places on the internet, it'd give you imperial-metric conversions. Amazeballs.
When I was young there was big push for us to learn the metric system. They would tell us everything was going to be metric. For whatever reasons it never happened and most of my knowledge of the metric system is long gone.
SLEEPING PADS
An R-value of 4.3+ for summer is an overkill. R-value 3.0 is more than enough for everyone. For example, I just did a test here in Canada:
- Max low temperature: 1 degree celcius
- Tent: MSR Hubba Hubba 2 person, 2023
- Sleeping pad: Thermarest Neoair Max r-value 3.0
- Sleeping bag 1: No name, mummy shape, synthetic, summer sleeping bag (no rating)
- Sleeping bag 2: Outbound, ultra light, rectangular shape, very wide, summer sleeping bag
- Pillow: Stuff sac with clothing inside
- Clothing:
- very thin hoodie (coton)
- lightweight syntetic leggins
- very lose and thin merino wool socks
- Additional: Sunshade for car windshield (mylar style)
I've used that very basic setup with a mix of very high end and very low budget to see how it would perform:
- The tent has little effect since it's not a winter tent.
- Rectangular sleeping bags are not the best to keep you warm. The one I used is even worst since it was very, very wide at the
foot level. It's designed for hot summer nights.
- The second one is warmer, but heavier since synthetic. The mummy shape helped.
- I've inserted the mummy shaped one in the rectangular one. The combination of both was still lightweight and compact since
they were summer sleeping bags. (Not Ultra light tho).
- My stuff sac (for sleeping bag) is doubled on ONE side with fleece. That's a mod used by experienced/pro hikers. It adds a
very little heat, but we take everything we can, right!? And it's lighter than any pillow on the market.
- Cotton is a big no no in winter. BUT, it's ok IF for sleeping. That very thin hoodie is great since the hood covers both my head
and neck if needed. The best would be a Merino one tho, but much more expensive.
The results are:
I was so warm that I had to keep the mummy shaped one open! I only wear the hood on my head for a few hours on two nights total. I realized how much I now hate the Thermarest pads. They're nowhere as comfortable as the Nemo's ones and the brand new Nemo Extreme is simply amazing! Also, it rained the night before I set the tent, and rained again for 30 hours straight after that, with a temperature around 4-5 degree Celsius. Still, I was toasty!
Bottom line, a 3.0 r-value does wonder even with a basic sleeping bag and the Mylar sheet under the pad improves the setup a lot. It also keep the condensation between the Mylar and floor tent, keeping your sleeping pad bone dry.
NEMO vs CUMULUS
Nemo offers much higher quality sleeping bags at lower cost than Cumulus (in North America)
CLOSED-CELL FOAM PAD
The thin closed-cell foam pad adding warmth is a myth. The R-value is ...ZERO point 5 (0.5). A basic cheap car sunshade, Mylar style, sold for $2 at any dollar store helps better. And a lot cheaper. How true is that? Erik Larsen, a well known polar explorer is doubling his floor tent with... Reflectix. If good at the poles, then I guess the concept is also valid everywhere, right?
COOKSET/STOVES
It was very good to mention "boiling water only". There are tons of cooksets for thousands of types of adventures. So choosing one can be difficult. The BRS is a classic and the number one complaint is the weakness of the legs, followed by no simmering option (but that's ok if boiling water as stated by Robert). If you have the budget and looking to use isopropane canisters, SOTO is the way to go (in my opinion). And if you want THE best all year round stove: The Optimus Polaris Optifuel is the one to go for. Expensive, but it's classified as an "investment" since you'll still be using it in 20 years from now. And the best of the best: A SOTO stove for 3 seasons + Polaris Optifuel for winter (or canoe camping, etc...)
POINT 5: TRANGIA
Trangia is not a big thing in North America, this for many reasons (not going to talk about that here). But it has its followers. Trangia (pronounced TrangUia) is a BIG thing in Sweden tho, and there's probably not a single house there without at least one Trangia stove! As for the new stove, there is a new one and an older one:
- Trangia Micro Original: 500ml pot and lid, alcohol burner, pot stand/windscreen from the Mini, 282g, $32
- Trangia Micro Light: 500ml pot and lid, gel burner, pot stand/windscreen from the Mini, 188g, $29
And I have to agree with many, their pot stand/windshield is a total crap. And the major downside is the fuel. Isobutane canisters and White gas (Naphta) are MUCH easier to find anywhere you may go. Another downside for the Micro Light vs the MINI. The Micro Light is using a taller and less wide pot than the MINI. So, it'll take more time to cook since the heat has to travel more height. Also the mini has a frying pan and bigger pot. Mattias Eriksson has probably the best Trangia comparison & mods tricks video on RUclips if you want to learn more.
On a final note, it's always nice to discover new brands from other countries. Big thanks for that!
Re: sleeping pad R value - it depends whether someone sleeps hot or cold and personal preference. I used a pad that was around 2.8 and froze in summer. Now use a Nemo Tensor insulated pad in summer and it's perfect. But I would prefer being slightly warm than slightly cold.
@@sharonlivingstone5956 The problem is that many rely, mostly, on the pad to get warm. That's a mistake. A good sleeping bag is essential, then you add the pad. Also, if you read my post, then you'll notice I use a mylar blanket with the pad. It also depends on how you used your pad. It might sound silly, but there's a good and wrong way. It's all about physics. The main factor getting you cold (in this case) is "Conduction". It's heat transfer from your body to a material. So what happens is that your body wants to warm up what you're in contact with. Because of this, your body wants to warm up the air in your sleeping pad. Then, that heat wants to warm up the ground... So what you have is a conduit transferring your body heat to the ground. This being said, some pads are insulated, but still, the "heat conduit/transfer" occurs. The best way is to add a mylar blanket, or a sunshade for car windshield (those aluminum/mylar), under your sleeping pad. This will trap the heat between your body and the ground. Is that truly working? I've never been cold using this. And next time you go to the hardware store, check for what's called REFLECTIX and read the instructions. It says it works best if used in a sandwich! And guess what? One of the items inside sleeping pad, is.. mylar. You can also use a mylar blanket directly under your sleeping bag, but it's best under it. And the best of the best is one under the sleeping bag, and one under the sleeping bag. Mylar blankets costs nothing and weight nothing. Try that with your 2.8 pad then give me news :)
@@DiabloOutdoors thanks. I use a quilt and my experience is that the pad is the essential part for not getting cold at night. We're all different though and it's great when we find the setup that works best for us.
@@sharonlivingstone5956 Sharon, First, my comments was all about physics 101 and sleeping bag or quilt doesn't change a thing vs that. Second, I've never said a sleeping pad is not essential for not getting cold at night. In fact, I said the total opposite. Third, the laws of physics doesn't change whatever a quilt or not.
Also, just so you know, Top sleeping pads uses layers of "Aluminized Films" for insulation. A what is "Aluminized Film" ? It's simply Mylar, that's it.... So, what I've said stands: Adding a Mylar sheet between your pad and the tent floor makes a big difference. And adding one below and on top makes a HUGE difference.
And the nail on the coffin: THE best sleeping pad on the market at this time is the NEMO Tensor Extreme with an R-Value of 8.5. And what do they use? 4x "Aluminized Films".. "strategically placed" inside. Meaning: 4 Mylar sheets with space in between... This being said, maybe you're more than happy to spend several hundreds dollars more to buy a new pad, instead of spending $2 for the exact same result... But this info may be valuable to others not rich and wanting to keep their money to buy other gear instead.
@@DiabloOutdoors Thanks. I'm glad you found something that works for you. It won't work for everyone though, but that's OK, we have to figure out our own best sleep system 😊
You have hit a fair balance with prid, quality and weight. I'm looking forward to next week's stove test.
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Love my Lightning 60
Informative and beneficial video
😀👍🏻 thanks!
Your charm shines brighter with each episode 🥰
You are most kind 😊
Great video Robert! Awesome recommendations.
Thanks 😀
Many times I find it a big problem to get items from us to eu, like Outdoor research !
Yeah that’s true, transport time and cost is an issue! That’s why I tried to focus on gear available everywhere! Not an easy task 😄
Just last night I was aching with the delivery cost alone.
The problem sometimes many outfitters do not offer postage to europe
Great selection … thank you
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Good job! _
Thanks 🙏🏻
Nice video. I keep looking at the lanshan. But something is stopping me pulling the trigger
I know the feeling… I’m actually waiting for the delivery of both a 1p and 2p version of the Lanshan to try out! Always wanted to try them and now I have the chance!! Both in the standard version… there will be a review later and my honest opinion about them!
@@roberthammenrudh I'll be sure to subscribe and keep the bell on for that video then thank you
But Robert, I cant brag on a sub 7lb base weight if it costs less than 6k!
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