If you're into timelapses, the exposure smoothing on the Z cameras will let you leave the camera in 'P', with auto ISO turned on, and the camera can capture a continuous sequence that goes smoothly from daylight to sunset to astro.
I can’t lie: I look at P like an advanced Auto mode, and just never use it…but this is one functional use for it, i would have never thought of. Great tip!
This might be a difficult comparison, but I believe it’s worth thinking on… a long-term review of cameras on the market that have been most improved by firmware updates. With parts supply shortages abound, expecting new camera releases all the time is no longer the norm. Picking up a used camera, or a model that’s new in-box but not the latest, is probably what many people are considering, but all of the existing reviews are years old and reflect version 1.0 firmware. As someone who doesn’t buy new cameras all the time anymore, after-sales support has become more important to me than what the new tech is that I may be missing out on.
Yes! Seconded. Someone (hopefully DPR) needs to seriously cover year+ old cameras and firmware updates for all of us who don't buy on the bleeding edge.
All the brands now have pro support that seems to be fine. The normal support for sony (but also nikon btw) seems to depend on area where you live europe for example seems to be better than the states.
@@ElGrecoDaGeek Actually, it’s not pastel. It’s Velvia which is the complete opposite. He used to shoot it a lot back in the film days and now bumps up the saturation to make it look as close as possible to Velvia. I think the Velvia look is quite dated, but to each their own.
The Nikon Z7 II with the Z ‘holy trinity’ is just an exquisite system. I am smitten and so glad I stuck with Nikon. The files from the Z cameras are outstanding to work with and the native lenses are truly special….the kind of lenses you hang on to forever…
Well said, Steve! I certainly agree that the Nikkor S lenses are the sharpest I've ever used in 45 years of photography! Can't wait to see tests of the new 105 f/2.8 Nikkor S MC "Micro" lens!!
I’ve got the 14-24 and it’s awesome I opted for the less expensive 24-70 f/4 (better deal with the body and lens as a kit) and even this so called kit lens is better than just about anything the other guys have on offer. The 70-200 S is next on the list.
@@Raevenswood Good point! Indeed, I find the NIkkor S 24 - 70 f/4 to be sharper than my previous sharpest standard zoom for the Fuji X-System, the Fujinon XF16-55 f/2.8, which was very sharp on the X-T3. I think that calling the NIkkor S 24 - 70 f/4 a "kit" lens does it an injustice, because IMHO, the phrase "kit lens" implies a slightly inferior or "budget" quality, which obviously is not the case here. Thanks!
I just thoroughly enjoy shooting with my Z6, and I think that goes for all the FF Z series cameras; they're just a pleasure to use - something that's hard to quantify. I never find myself frustrated with the camera, everything "just works", and I never miss a shot that I need to get.
You missed two advantages on Nikon Z7 II. It can also save raw files and make a Timelapse video in camera. The other advantage is you can now do up to 15 minute long exposures dialed in without looking at a timer and using bulb mode.
Not only for landscape... My Z 7 now became steady film reproduction station, I simply am fed up with it's shortcomings, with it's expensive lenses and especially the super poorly implemented focus stacking what Chris waxed so much poetry about. In this aspect - and in lots others - the S1R does a so much better job.
One thing to note is that with the Sony cameras you can use slow and quick mode to do time lapse with setting the camera to shoot a video with 1 frame per second if you want it done in camera
Thanks Chris and Jordan for the great comparison again, always appreciate your unbiased reviews like this. Brings me to a few comments below about how some sites 'bash' certain brands. First, any enthusiast photographer is out shooting photos or video, not watching RUclips videos with opinionated people trying to get thumbs up/down to pay the rent. I only watch channels like this one and a few more leaning to ways to improve my Nikon experience. It is what I own and have no intention of switching after 40 years. Keep up the good work.
Lack of focus breathing on most the Z lenses is a clear advantage for focus stacking, I find it a deal breaker for me compared to most of the Sony glass heavy breathing.
Sony cameras lacked the option altogether. Bummer! The lenses isn't really problematic. I tried adapting the 16-35 and 24-70 GM to a Z5, the finalized stacked image with the Helicon Focus worked without weird artifacts.
The Sony system has so many lenses available including from 3rd parties that you should always be able to find one that doesn't focus breathe, if that's important to you.
@@jaegerschtulmann The problem is not the stacking of the photos, but that they lose a lot of resolution and always have to take this into account when taking photos. And you lose your desired focal length. Nothing dramatic, but in this case an advantage for Nikon.
Excellent video, and well laid out comparisons. I just picked up my Z7 ii, and sold my D850. And I LOVED my D850. After shooting with this though, I am happy with my choices. It is a stellar camera, and the S lens lineup, although not as extensive as Sony, is SWEET. What is amazing is the sharpness of the F/4 14-30, which outperforms the F 14-24 F2.8 in image quality, and sharpness. I am a big Nikon fan, and am pulling for them to keep it up....the research and dedication to quality is paying off :-)
Good Video! As a Sony A7R IV shooter only feature I'd enjoy having from the Nikon is the focus stacking. The better rear screen would be a nice welcome too but EVF Viewfinder is far more important to me.
Z7 shooter, at least focus stacking could be added in firmware for you! We'll never get a firmware update for the Z7 to add 120 fps refresh rate lol. Envious of your EVF.
I have the Sony A7RII, A7RIV and A7RIVA, I do not care about the backside monitor/screen resolution, but it will be very nice in a future Sony A7RV with a 9.5+ EVF with 1.2x optical magnification which will work much better for Landscape Photography with wide angle Lenses.
i think ergonomics is king when it comes to cameras. if it feels good in hand that will make you have a good first impression and make you want to look into the specs more. which is why i think nikons Z cameras are best. they just feel so good in hand
Yes and no mate , that is up to the individual I’d say , when buying a new mirror less i tried the big three FF mirror less models at the time and of the three i actually went with the less ergonomic one that had the runs on the board , and the features i wanted , I quickly got used to handling its less ergonomic body , now it is just second nature to operate even with one hand. Three years on , i am still happy with my choice. If your only criteria is ergonomics then you may be disappointed in the long run. I would disagree that ergonomics is king.
Thanks for this comparison. I'm really tired of "Nikon has the worst Autofocus and the eye-detection is a nighmare..." bla-bla-bla. I love my Nikons, especially for landscapes. The Z7 and the Z7 II are both excellent cameras and i love the Z lenses. I hope for 3rd party lenses soon, just to have more options, because the Z70-200 had almost ruined my bank account ;-)
Don’t forget, Dynamic Range also includes Highlight recovery. Often time camera makers bias the ISO toward shadow recovery at the expense of clipped highlights.
Yep, but Fujifilm are the only ones who tune for highlight recovery/ falloff right now, and full frame is the only (alive) sensor size they don't make cameras in.
I ended up going with the Z7II after a while of deciding between an S1R, the R5, the a7Riv(a) and the aforementioned Z7II. I’m happy that I did because the body alongside both the 24-70 2.8S and the 14-30 4S proved to be such a winning combo for landscape and cityscape photography, which is what I tend to do a lot of. That 14-30 especially is such a real gem. It’s got great IQ, goes all the way to 14mm whilst having an 82mm filter thread and it’s pretty darn small and light. To be fair, the other bodies would do just as well too, but it’s especially that 14-30 (among other things) that made me pick the Z. The closest would be the 14-35L on the R5, but surprisingly, I found myself not enjoying the ergonomics of it as much as the Z.
Great video again. Something I would like to see is a comparison or recommendation for the best camera for shooting family. I think there are a lot of things to consider, size, number of lenses to carry around, short videos... Could be expanded to file handling for people that don't have a lot of time, software for easy video cutting ...
I have the Sony A7RII, A7RIV and A7RIVA, I do not care about the backside monitor/screen resolution, but it will be very nice in a future Sony A7RV with a 9.5+ EVF with 1.2x optical magnification which will work much better for Landscape Photography with wide angle Lenses.
Makes one wonder what you do in 1800 s (900 + noise reduction time....) Half an hour for one picture and at the end of it you realize there was a tree branch moving all the time and the battery is also dry.
@@Joamonica It can be handy in some situations. My XPro2 also had that feature. It allowed me to let a car drawing an extremely long light trail below a glacier in Norway.
@@Joamonica not using the noise reduction in cam but I use the extended exposure feature a lot for smoothing water and start trails. It’s made things easy that we’re tricky before. I was having to use a remote and timer.
@@HiPnautique right but you have to time it then close the shutter without touching the camera or- let the camera do it. No wireless no timer etc. Also you can do extended shutter TimeLapse or multiple exposure.
They're kind of trailing behind though. Price is the main thing they have over Canon and Sony. I wish Nikon would do something interesting to put some pressure on the other two but I think they'll go the way of Olympus in 5 years.
@@4evadunkley Z7 give the 95% of the AF performance of Son A7IV & beats A7IV in all the other areas except the resolution. Nikon is only trailing behind Canon R5 & R6.
@@ktcool4660 the A7RIV is 2 years old and th Nikon just got refreshed. That's not really a win in my book. The next a7r is going to pull a lot of features from the Alpha 1 so Nikon will still be playing catch-up.
@@4evadunkley I said Z7 not Z7 II which is on par or has better AF than A7IV. A1 does not matter because Nikon Z7II competes with A7RIII & A7RIV. "The next a7r is going to pull a lot of features from the Alpha 1 so Nikon will still be playing catch-up", Nikon is gonna do the same by trickling down all the Z9 processing power to the Next Z7III or the Z8. Sony will still be playing catch up to Nikon & Canon quality.
@@ktcool4660 When was the last time you shot birds in flight with a Nikon and a Sony? Fact is, for landscape AF is very close to "not important" - and beyond landscape, Sony does a better AF job. 95% of Sony, that was a good laugh, really.
Kinda cool, but anyone getting into long exposure photography is going to use something with more control (intervalometers, apps, remote shutters, etc). I really don't understand why these settings aren't configurable in the camera. Let me set my shutter speed to a very specific value!
FYI, Jordan made a mistake, you can definitely play back a sony timelapse in camera as implied at 10:40, "continuous PB for interval", and you can adjust the PB speed.
Interesting comparison. IMO pixel shift may be great for product, architectural, artwork, or still life photography. But for landscape, no because there's almost always something moving slightly (foliage, water, clouds, etc. So, no win for Sony's pixel shift here.
Hi. Thank you for the review. As I’m shooting a wide variety of pretty current cameras I want to suggest to compare the Z7II to the 50mpx medium format offerings today. I do like what Nikon is doing and my results punch usually way above other 35mm capture and close in on my X1D II files. While it’s not really there, I’m sure it would make a great comparison for amateur photographers to see if they “need” to step up or can be satisfied with the Nikon world.
The street price for the A7R IV has been around $2700 for weeks now. Perhaps the newly released “A” versions are still at $3500 but the original that you reviews here is currently heavily discounted.
Great comparision but I think you made one mistake: Nikon has the "ONE MOUNT TO RULE THEM ALL". With a TechArt Adapter you can use also the great Sony lenses. Which makes Z7, even in this catergory, the clear winner.
Currently, Id go with the Sony due to lens selection. Have to agree though the Nikon body has the edge. Using a high res. LCD outside is over rated in my view. I'd go with a better EVF any day.
Or an EOS R5 which at least has as much MP as the Z 7II... Oh yes, it has a fully articulating screen, so no point in complaining about the lack of it. Got it.
Thanks for the video. I find it interesting that you had time to edit in a comment on the new A7R IVa with the improved LCD but not enough time to edit out your conclusion and show they were equal resolution. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Especially in July 24th when the announcement for the new Sony screen has been out for a while and already available to order. I am in no way anti Nikon just prefer current information. You don't have to rush to publish on RUclips. If you know the datas wrong fix it. One final thought. The A7R IV was available 15 months before the Z7 II. That allowed me to get about 10k more images than with the Nikon. I had considered the Nikon D850 for landscape but move to Mirrorless long before Nikon finally decided to follow.
We have to get you construction boots with puncture ratings! Keen and even Skechers have great options! It really is amazing how much the camera landscape has changed the last 10 years. Just so many amazing options.
Thank you for putting this video together and showing different aspects/comparisons with the two cameras. It has helped me make a decision in upgrading my camera, plus I learnt a couple of things as well that is always a bonus. Appreciate your time!
Chris and Jared, thanks for yet another great comparison video! As a landscape and product photographer interested in creating sharp, highly detailed images, I went with the Nikon Z7 and some stellar NIkkor S lenses for a few reasons: First, I have a long history with Nikon, starting with the NIkkormat FT3 back in the '70's. Second, I've always been impressed with NIkkor optics, and the fact that they make their own glass. And third, I simply enjoy the ergonomics of the Nikon bodies. That said, I do also like the reputation of the Sony 90 f/2.8 G Macro lens as being one of the sharpest lenses available for that system. (Currently, I use a Laowa 100 f/2.8 Ultra-Macro lens with the Z7 (since the Nikkor S version hadn't been released yet), and am obtaining super-sharp detail with that combo, especially when doing focus stacking! (Of course, I have to do this manually, since the built-in Focus Shift of the Nikons require an AF lens!) So, the Z7 System is about perfect for my style of photography. I really want to see tests comparing the now released 105 f/2.8 Nikkor S "MC" lens with the other macro lenses on the market. I'd be surprised if this new "S" lens wasn't found to be the sharpest Macro lens available. And one question if I may...I haven't dabbled in "Time Lapse" photography yet, but I missed the "feature" on either camera that guarantees that the camera will still "be there" when one "returns at the end of the time lapse"?! :-^ Thanks again!
I realize you have to start planning these videos somewhere, but am curious how you initially picked this specific pairing as “the best full-frame mirrorless landscape cameras that money can buy” over the Lumix S1R and/or the Leica SL2 or even the M10R.
@@jlwilliams they have a video from about a year ago on the like a M10R. I hadn't seen it either, but I found it after I saw your comment and watched it.
Very nice and well done. Now that you have a winner I would consider a suade by side for landscape with the GFX 100 or GFX 100s. With some minor differences those 2 cameras are, in my very humble opinion, the pinnacle of output in landscape photography. I would think a lot of people who are currently sitting on the fence would love to see that comparison, including me ( although I am already over the fence as I own both of the GFX)
This episode was shot on the S1H, which is a video-centric camera with a 24-megapixel sensor. It's not really designed to compete with the Z7 II or a7R IV for landscapes. It's a tool for a different job. The S1H is basically a cinema camera that can also take photos. It has a fan to prevent overheating. The Panasonic S1R is the one to compete in this space. It has 47 megapixels. None of these high-resolution cameras are especially good at video except for the Canon R5 (because it shoots 8K, which is closer to the sensor resolution). But even the R5 overheats. The S1 and S5 are more general-purpose cameras that can shoot good 24-megapixel stills and very good video...albeit with some limitations. They don't have fans either. Of course, you have to ask yourself, "Do I really need so much resolution?" 24 megapixels is more than most people realize in terms of print size. You can print a 13" x 20" at 300 dpi with 24 megapixels and a 40" x 60" at 100 dpi.
@@danieldougan269 True about print size, but let's face it, most photographers who frequent online forums don't care so much about prints. What they want to know is: “How much detail will I see and how sharp will it look when I zoom in to 100?” Photography viewers don't give a kack about this, but photo shooters obsess over it endlessly…
Great comparison. I find it good to adapt to what you are using. In many ways this is a "too close to call" because it depends on what is important to you. I use Nikon and love them. How about a similar video for "Best full frame wildlife camera"?
Exactly, but I think it was a tie to be honest.... Even though DXOmark has rated A7riv 14.8 vs Z7ii 14.7, and when he says a tie for ISO while a7 wins there to my eyes and also dxo has rated it a lot more than z7....then it was really a tie in dynamic range I think.
Being a Sony shooter, what good is a camera without a wide selection of lenses? As long as the camera gets the job done, my biggest consideration are the lenses.
They Z series has a decent enough selection of native lenses with more professional ones on the horizon; you also get the adaptation of any of the F mount G lenses that while some focus a bit slower, all still work fully on Z mount. This opens up a ton of older glass and even some more niche stuff like the tilt shift and DC lenses Nikon has.
@@1armbiker If you like Nikon, use them. My first cameras were Nikons I loved them and shot them for years. The only reason I switched to Canon was because Canon had the first affordable digital camera. Now I shoot Sony cameras and lenses. All good brands.
Between the Sony and the Nikon, prioritising viewfinder resolution, battery life, weather-sealing, astrophotography, and price, I'd choose the Pentax K-1.
If choosing a landscape body I would agree with DP Review and go with the Nikon. If however I was choosing a “system” I would be all in on the Sony a7riv with its excellent selection of quality lenses and focal lengths.
Honestly, Sir. This whole system thing is just a gimmick in my opinion. As pro photographers, agree or not, we often end up with just a couple of lenses we use all the time for our subject of choice and it all comes down to deciding whether or not the CURRENT offering is good enough for our job. Yes, having more options is always a bonus, but that's something more relevant to advanced amateurs and not full-time pros. As of right now, for Landscapes, both of them do a decent job on the Native side but once you take into consideration the third party options for Sony, they just don't justify the high res sensor, especially the Tamrons which are indeed the VFM catalyst on the Sony side. However, Nikon Z mount S series F4 duo is 'Holy Smokes!' level of sharp. That too at the price of a third party quality offering. Not biased in any way, just my opinion based on shooting with both systems and lenses personally.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 on the contrary, with the FTZ there is access to dozens of amazing and field proven AF-S G series native glass and more third party lenses to fill the gaps until the Z S series grows more options. And to add, we can go into the AF-D, the Ai/Ai-S, basically all the F mount glass from the 1960s. So essentially Nikon by a landslide has more native options actually. I've been using my G series lenses on my Z and have not missed a beat.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 lol that's cute, Nikon still has more native glass than Sony. To be precise 146 for the Sony E/FE and 143 for the Sony DA/A mount AND a total of 330 for the Nikon F and Z combined. That's still more than both Sony mounts combined and Nikon is not even properly into the Z mount glass by now. Also both companies have TP support from Sigma and Tamron equally so no point there. All of this and I'm sounding like a Nikon fan boy, but I've personally hated Nikon until the recent Z5. I was using Canon for the rest of my career but the Nikon blew everything off with the Z5 vfm proportion. Nothing beats Canon in glass, till date. Period. But the point is not bragging on the legacy of the mount and lenses rather how many of them a full-time professional end up using. I am pretty sure a professional photographer knows what his tastes in imaging art is and what lenses fulfil the palette despite a tonne of options. It's a gimmick, by all brands. Not hating on Sony, sorry if you thought so. But that's a truth.
Also Tamrons lack sharpness and resolution. The sharper Sony G Masters are straight out breathing lungs. I'm not hating on Sony, nor committing to Nikon. Competition makes me a winner, not the brand. But Nikon is just catching way quicker, hard to digest pill. All Sony did from 2015 and beyond was AF AF and AF. Never thought I would say it one day, but yes, Nikon did a way better job by learning from others and actually making better imaging piece of glass.
Buy a different camera. Fuji is a joke. The Xt4 is 26 mpx but 20 mp from olympus and panasonic looks sharper. Autofocus works well in f2 lenses, but not great. The aperture is another story, just a fuc...nightmare. The most expensive lenses don't work in video.WTF? But fuji is called the best hybrid camera. I bought xt4 and sold it after a month. Never again.
Sending you and the GTA all the love & safe summer @@AdamMuise , the planet can survive us on geological scales and corrections that could end us. Hopefully we can make the difference to turn things around & enjoy the many profound beauty at our hands.
I have never heard anyone say that Pentax did multi shot and ibis first. I had ibis in my k10 in 2006 and everyone said it was inferior to lens based, which was nonsense considering the other benefits it brought. I just think Pentax doesn’t get the recognition it deserves for innovation
Good luck with purchasing those "cost of a fortune" S Pro native glass or finding a Sharp enough "native" Sigma on the wide side for landscapes to justify the 96MP mode, mate. However, I'm so jealous of your S1's ergonomics. Damn that beautiful body. 😍
@@sbk_nef we are living in a beautiful mirrorless world... I just adapt Zeiss Classic or Leica R manual focus lenses 😁🤟🏻 there's no need to buy native expensive lenses.
@@LucaBono.Studio Yes, I have Leica R Lenses, but Leica R Lenses are far from as sharp as fx Sony GM Lenses and Voigtländer APO Lanthar Lenses, then we come to resolution of the Lenses and once again the Leica R Lenses loses to the modern Lenses.
Pixel shift wasn't important for Nikon because there's very few times you'll have a scene where there's nothing moving. There's probably not very many landscape photographers who actually use that. One of the advantages for Nikon is that they have the shallowest phlange distances of all the brands. This means you can adapt everyone else's lenses. They make a Sony E mount adapter that will let you use any Sony lens. You can also get one for Canon's R mount. If Nikon doesn't make a lens you need but Sony or Canon does, you can adapt theirs to the Nikon. Focus breathing is an issue with Sony lenses. Nikon has pretty much corrected this issue. They built their z lenses with video in mind. Then there's the ruggedness of the bodies. Nikon wins out over Sony on that. Nikon files are much easier to work with. Both are excellent cameras. It really comes down to personal preference. I have a z6 ii. It may not have everything that the Canon R6 has or the Sony a7iii has but it does everything I need it to do and then some. Nikon is really supporting their mirrorless with firmware updates.
Shooting Nikon with their f/4 lens compared to Sony’s f/2.8, then comparing those images side by side? Are these lenses comparable in terms of sharpness?
Shoot out Sony A7S3 vs Panasonic S1H. We all know that Jordan will be sad at the end of that video😉 but it would be fun to watch. Like always great job!
A year later…. But a great review that even me as a beginner i was able to understand it. Very well explained. Would love to see how the Nikon Z 7II competes with the Sony A 7III & Sony A 7RIII if it can be done!. Thank you!
Thank you for this video! It sold me on the z7ii Iv had my eye on. Could you recommend your “must have lens’” that go best Gor this camera (wide angle/telephoto) etc. there are soooooo many lenses I don’t want to buy this camera then screw it up by putting a lens on there that doesn’t work the best with it.
Well, as I don't know what kinds of fotos you want to take, how can I recommend lenses *for* you? I really love the 50mm 1.2, but the 24-70 2.8 and the 14-24 2.8, too. All on the pricier and heavier side, but the finest lenses I had in hand, ever ;)
You can use the f mount lenses as well. I did a comparison between my Nikon service calibrated 24-70 2.8 f mount and 24-70 2.8 z mount and the only difference was in the edge performance. The vignetting was worse on the Zmount.
@@coleplacemb That's easy. You can compose your shot with DSLR in sleep mode, you often need just to look through viewfinder to decide - to shoot or not. Probably one of tenth time you may want to press shutter. DSLR just wakes up and you take your shot. Mirrorless cam must be "ON" for this wich will drain your battery rather fast. Or you need to switch "off-on" really many times, which is annoying. With DSLR you may spend several days with one battery, but with mirrorless - you may need several just for one (exageratting). And ofcourse remember how beautiful and natural is DSLR viefinder. Common problem with mirrorles - viewfinder/screen brightness is too different from ambient. This problem is adressed by manufactures, but it still a principal problem.
I enjoyed your confirmation of my decision to buy the Z7ii. However, I wonder how many people really look at these comparisons as buying guides. Seems to me that, if you are buying at the high end of the camera scale, you already have so much invested in a given manufacturer’s system that it would be very rare to jump into another system. Really useful cross-platform comparisons would be at the entry level and would include a look up the line to see what you would get as you upgrade.
I have a Sony A7 III, A7 R IV, Nikon Z5, and Fujifilm X-S10 and I really like all of them. I mostly shoot wildlife and the Nikon system is dying for a super telephoto zoom lens. I still can’t understand how they choose the order they develop their lenses. They have so many that cover the 24-200 range but only one the covers 300+ (not including prime lenses that cost an arm and a leg) and even the 100-400 is quite a bit more expensive than Sony’s 200-600 and a 400mm max focal length is fairly limiting for bird photography on full frame. I really hope Nikon releases their 200-600 soon because I can’t wait to be able to use my Z5 more and maybe get a Z7 II eventually.
@@SamandSteve are computers that have Intel chips inside Intel knock-offs? I do not believe so, just look at the range of computers that can be built around the same processors. The Nikon 45 MP sensor in the Z7/D850 is the only such sensor with ISO 64, so it is more than likely that it is a Nikon designed and Sony manufactured sensor. Just like TMSC manufactures all AMD processors. Nobody cares if Nikon is using a Sony fab, that does not make them inferior.
@@woodnymph7393 would need to test the highlights as well as shadows to determine DR. Better shadow recovery doesn't necessarily mean better DR, if it clips highlights sooner.
@@woodnymph7393 it does have ISO 64 but the ISO settings aren't measured, hence why exact same settings on 2 cameras can yield different brightness of images. Measured DR at base ISO is where the typical comparisons are (for the sake of specs rather than real use), and the Riv comes out higher.
Hi Chris! Love your reviews! Where did you get that Leophoto(?) Tripod? (I'm in the market for a nice travel tripod but I dont want to spend $1k). Thank you!
Glass too as Z lenses for sure handle up to 100MP sensors. Better image quality overall from sensor, processor, and again.. glass. You won´t find CA and heavy vignette on Z. Shoot RF 85 1.2, RF 35, RF 50 1.8, 14 and 15-35 RF´s... If you have a chance to compare, you will see that there´s an overall difference. ALso R system is the most expensive.
Interesting video lads another one good to see and hear your views on these cameras I think the Nikon is the best out of the two myself. I am a Fuji guy but its always interesting to get views of other manufactures stuff. Only one swear word today Chris your doing well! 🤣 keep the reviews coming they are always good and for entertainment value you guys just can’t be beaten!! Great stuff
I would like to see Jordan and Gordon compare video kits on the same budget. Other kit would be sensible balance between camera and accessories and the other would be the best camera but with with few accessories. And in the end we would see which gives the "most cinematic" footage.
If i solely shot landscapes, then i'd 100% be shooting a Fuji GFX. The Sony A7r4 doesn't just do landscapes, it has an amazing AF system capable of keeping up with some of the best wildlife/sports cameras, so as an overall beast, the R4 wins. The Z7ii is great too :) I shoot both Sony and Nikon too.
It seems wrong to call the A7RIV more expensive when it is currently the same price as the Z7II in the US (with the improved LCD, too). Nikon launches products at a lower MSRP but is loathe to discount them, while Sony discounts heavily after the initial year or so. Especially when you're comparing an older camera to a newer camera.
That’s is completely false. You don’t pay attention to Nikon. Nikon discounts their cameras all the time, usually after a year. The Z7II has not hit the one year mark yet. The Z5 recently went to $999 from $1400. Huge discount.
True. I bought the a7riv for $2300 brand new. I would have gone with Nikon but they don’t have shit in the lens department. It’s a joke. If they pulled their pf lenses to a mount I’d go Nikon but not until then
@@Calibr21 A few people reported $2300 on Amazon recently. It was a new camera and that price only lasted a few hours - maybe a mistake that is being honored.
Sony is possibly watching this video and thinking we got next 3 years of new camera sales covered. 2022 - we will release A7R5 with touch menus, 2023 - we will release A7R6 with built in time lapse, and 2024 - we can release built in focus stacking... I mean who would want to bring those terrible features to A7R4 with firmware updates and impact future sales, right?
Chris. You know what makes the perfect landscape camera, an EVF like Google eye glasses with wifi connectivity to the camera. Or even one with a USB C connection to the eye piece.
Dude, Nikon is killing it mate. Heck, even their "entry level FF mirrorless" ie Z5 has IBIS, average weather sealing and Focus Stacking, that too with Dual UHS-II SDs and those super sweet S series 14-30 & 24-70 F4 lenses are DANG SHARRRP! the Z5 is absolutely a breakthrough, unless you want faster frames and higher res (choose Z7) or a professional film making rig sensor (choose Z6). Are they even making any profits out of that body idk seriously!? Edit- the z6/7 both 1st gen and 2nd gen have back side illuminated sensors so duh, obviously! But that's a very niche advantage in very very rare situations where you find the BSI is helping you out otherwise the Z5 is good enough in skilled hands. It all comes down to using added tools like a CP/ND or even just correct metering sometimes. All I wanna say is if you're starting out on Landscapes, just grab the Z5 body and invest the surplus in that lovely 14-30 F4. You won't regret a dime!
I am currently shooting with the Z5, the image quality is on par with cameras 2-3x the price. The dynamic range is also state of the art. Focus bracketing feature is very useful. I am also quite surprised that many of my Sony E mount and Canon EF mount lenses work on it, the autofocus is actually on par with Nikon's F mount lenses on FTZ.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 the only issue I've faced on my FTZ till date was my 85 F1.4 G was running a bit slow on the AF side and making wierd noises but Nikon sorted it out with a newer firmware recently. The sensor isn't something that blows my mind for sure. But considering the cost, especially with that Z 24-70 bundled!? Dear Sir that's a deal to steal.
Nikon Z looks great but in NZ shops at least there is a shortage Of the Z Mount lens range available to buy and as a potential customer with no F Mount glass it’s a massive deterrent. Sony wins for me just by availability of lenses and third party gear.
Nikon Z and Mirrorless in general is pricing itself out of the market here in NZ. If you want a z7ii and a 24-70mm 2.8 your looking at 10k add another couple of lenses and some accessories and your looking at close to 20k its ridiculous. I'm sticking with my D850 and F mount glass all of which I brought for less half the cost of the equivalent the Z stuff.
I’d personally look at an a7r3 over an a7r4. Less compromises to get the extra resolution and you can find them at a good price these days, especially used
I have both and for mixed use the r4 is much better with its new tracking af for example. r3 is good value for sure and maybe if you only do landscapes but if you see a some wildlife the r4 by luck it will act much better and faster.
I have the Sony A7RII, A7RIV and A7RIVA, I do not care about the backside monitor/screen resolution, but it will be very nice in a future Sony A7RV with a 9.5+ EVF with 1.2x optical magnification which will work much better for Landscape Photography with wide angle Lenses.
I just picked up a Sony a7riii A……value for money it can compete with these two. I switched from Nikon ( I loved my Nikon’s ) to Sony,I wanted to go mirroless and Nikon were dragging their heels at the time.I’m now so deep into the Sony system I’d be divorced if I changed again,also I love the Sony system.👍🏻
When it comes to lenses: it is noticable that both Nikon and Canon offer 14mm lenses with screw on filters, while the widest lens with front filters for Sony starts at 16mm. This sounds like a small difference but 7 degrees field of view is substantial. I am starting to think that the very narrow lens mount of the Sony plays a part in this.
probably worth comparing the GFX100S to the A7RIV and Nikon Z ii. All are excellent cameras and while I grab the Fuji most of the time, the Sony comes with for certain landscape features. I understand that you would have to factor the price but all kits cost like $10k by the time you fill out a kit anyway. Also, the Olympus EM-1 mk3 is a respectable hiking landscape camera and I do wish we had some of the Olympus computational features in any of these cameras (live composite and live ND for example), even as a lower res preview option.
If you're into timelapses, the exposure smoothing on the Z cameras will let you leave the camera in 'P', with auto ISO turned on, and the camera can capture a continuous sequence that goes smoothly from daylight to sunset to astro.
That’s awesome 😎
That was helpful😊
I can’t lie: I look at P like an advanced Auto mode, and just never use it…but this is one functional use for it, i would have never thought of. Great tip!
This might be a difficult comparison, but I believe it’s worth thinking on… a long-term review of cameras on the market that have been most improved by firmware updates. With parts supply shortages abound, expecting new camera releases all the time is no longer the norm. Picking up a used camera, or a model that’s new in-box but not the latest, is probably what many people are considering, but all of the existing reviews are years old and reflect version 1.0 firmware. As someone who doesn’t buy new cameras all the time anymore, after-sales support has become more important to me than what the new tech is that I may be missing out on.
Yes! Seconded. Someone (hopefully DPR) needs to seriously cover year+ old cameras and firmware updates for all of us who don't buy on the bleeding edge.
@@djstuc the greatest firmware improvement ever had to be the original X100.
Just to drive Chris nuts, they should now do a z7ii vs Sigma SD1 Merrill for landscape detail and colours.......
@@jshanni2066 they did test sigma cameras against a d800s back in the days of the camerastore TV channel.
All the brands now have pro support that seems to be fine. The normal support for sony (but also nikon btw) seems to depend on area where you live europe for example seems to be better than the states.
7:49 "who the f*** shoots astro photography in JPEG?"
Ken Rockwell enters the chat.
... and leaves a trail of overly processed pastel colours in his wake.
lol
Hahahaha. Perfect!
@@ElGrecoDaGeek Actually, it’s not pastel. It’s Velvia which is the complete opposite. He used to shoot it a lot back in the film days and now bumps up the saturation to make it look as close as possible to Velvia. I think the Velvia look is quite dated, but to each their own.
@@djstuc And the hideously oversharpened photo of the palm tree trunk or a stucco wall...
The Nikon Z7 II with the Z ‘holy trinity’ is just an exquisite system. I am smitten and so glad I stuck with Nikon. The files from the Z cameras are outstanding to work with and the native lenses are truly special….the kind of lenses you hang on to forever…
Стив Мэттсон Some find the use of a prosthetic jaw inherited from a grandmother ...
Well said, Steve! I certainly agree that the Nikkor S lenses are the sharpest I've ever used in 45 years of photography! Can't wait to see tests of the new 105 f/2.8 Nikkor S MC "Micro" lens!!
I’ve got the 14-24 and it’s awesome I opted for the less expensive 24-70 f/4 (better deal with the body and lens as a kit) and even this so called kit lens is better than just about anything the other guys have on offer. The 70-200 S is next on the list.
@@Raevenswood Good point! Indeed, I find the NIkkor S 24 - 70 f/4 to be sharper than my previous sharpest standard zoom for the Fuji X-System, the Fujinon XF16-55 f/2.8, which was very sharp on the X-T3. I think that calling the NIkkor S 24 - 70 f/4 a "kit" lens does it an injustice, because IMHO, the phrase "kit lens" implies a slightly inferior or "budget" quality, which obviously is not the case here. Thanks!
@@Raevenswood very nice! Yes, the f4 24-70 is great as well. The 70-200 will blow your mind. I am stunned every time I use it!
glad to see Chris' character development in this intriguing saga
Chris vs sharp rusty metal. Chris wins by UD.
But Jordan is always the REAL star of the show!
I just thoroughly enjoy shooting with my Z6, and I think that goes for all the FF Z series cameras; they're just a pleasure to use - something that's hard to quantify. I never find myself frustrated with the camera, everything "just works", and I never miss a shot that I need to get.
Chris is now 1 - 1 against metal spikes. Can't wait for the deciding 3rd match at Summerslam!
We know the ending..."and your winner, by disqualification..." ;)
ON WRESTLEMANIA !
Agreed! This is my Wilder vs Fury 3.
You missed two advantages on Nikon Z7 II. It can also save raw files and make a Timelapse video in camera. The other advantage is you can now do up to 15 minute long exposures dialed in without looking at a timer and using bulb mode.
Jordan covered the fact that it can make a Timelapse in camera though?
Yes he did and you can but you can also in interval mode capture Raw plus .mov preview. In TimeLapse movie mode that option isn’t there (raw+movie).
I would not be surprised if you skip the S1R in an action photography comparison, but for landscape the S1R is one of the best cameras you can get!
Yeah I know right
Not only for landscape... My Z 7 now became steady film reproduction station, I simply am fed up with it's shortcomings, with it's expensive lenses and especially the super poorly implemented focus stacking what Chris waxed so much poetry about. In this aspect - and in lots others - the S1R does a so much better job.
Vertically tilting screen, night mode, illuminated buttons ...
Much worse image quality. It's not BSI like these two, so it's much noisier in the shadows and at high ISO. Closer to APS-C quality at 100%.
@@BlueBomberTurbo dream on…
One thing to note is that with the Sony cameras you can use slow and quick mode to do time lapse with setting the camera to shoot a video with 1 frame per second if you want it done in camera
That is a 1080p video though.
And you can’t record Raw and preview at the same time.
That’s an extremely rudimentary timelapse though…
Thanks Chris and Jordan for the great comparison again, always appreciate your unbiased reviews like this. Brings me to a few comments below about how some sites 'bash' certain brands. First, any enthusiast photographer is out shooting photos or video, not watching RUclips videos with opinionated people trying to get thumbs up/down to pay the rent. I only watch channels like this one and a few more leaning to ways to improve my Nikon experience. It is what I own and have no intention of switching after 40 years. Keep up the good work.
Lack of focus breathing on most the Z lenses is a clear advantage for focus stacking, I find it a deal breaker for me compared to most of the Sony glass heavy breathing.
All lenses breathe a bit, anyways, Lightroom and photoshop align the pictures and crop a tiny bit. Not an issue these days!
Sony cameras lacked the option altogether. Bummer! The lenses isn't really problematic. I tried adapting the 16-35 and 24-70 GM to a Z5, the finalized stacked image with the Helicon Focus worked without weird artifacts.
The Sony system has so many lenses available including from 3rd parties that you should always be able to find one that doesn't focus breathe, if that's important to you.
@@jaegerschtulmann The problem is not the stacking of the photos, but that they lose a lot of resolution and always have to take this into account when taking photos. And you lose your desired focal length. Nothing dramatic, but in this case an advantage for Nikon.
Excellent video, and well laid out comparisons. I just picked up my Z7 ii, and sold my D850. And I LOVED my D850. After shooting with this though, I am happy with my choices. It is a stellar camera, and the S lens lineup, although not as extensive as Sony, is SWEET. What is amazing is the sharpness of the F/4 14-30, which outperforms the F 14-24 F2.8 in image quality, and sharpness. I am a big Nikon fan, and am pulling for them to keep it up....the research and dedication to quality is paying off :-)
Good Video! As a Sony A7R IV shooter only feature I'd enjoy having from the Nikon is the focus stacking. The better rear screen would be a nice welcome too but EVF Viewfinder is far more important to me.
EVF is huge!
Z7 shooter, at least focus stacking could be added in firmware for you! We'll never get a firmware update for the Z7 to add 120 fps refresh rate lol. Envious of your EVF.
I have the Sony A7RII, A7RIV and A7RIVA, I do not care about the backside monitor/screen resolution, but it will be very nice in a future Sony A7RV with a 9.5+ EVF with 1.2x optical magnification which will work much better for Landscape Photography with wide angle Lenses.
@@cameraprepper7938 agreed! Hope Sony also adds mulitple RAW options, for casual family shooting it would be a big welcomed addition.
i think ergonomics is king when it comes to cameras. if it feels good in hand that will make you have a good first impression and make you want to look into the specs more. which is why i think nikons Z cameras are best. they just feel so good in hand
however you got your tripod while shooting landscape,where ergonomics seems less important
Yes and no mate , that is up to the individual I’d say ,
when buying a new mirror less i tried the big three FF mirror less models at the time and of the three i actually went with the less ergonomic one that had the runs on the board , and the features i wanted , I quickly got used to handling its less ergonomic body , now it is just second nature to operate even with one hand.
Three years on , i am still happy with my choice.
If your only criteria is ergonomics then you may be disappointed in the long run.
I would disagree that ergonomics is king.
Almost bought a Sony until I held a Nikon in my hands.
As a Sony user I do like the Nikon body more ,the grip is much better.
I liked my Nikon z7. Had to sell it though because apparently they can’t come out with lenses
@@Yupthereitism what lenses were you missing?
Same here
@@Yupthereitism Odd, I've got too many Z lenses really, and I don't have them all!
Thanks for helping me decide which camera I couldn't afford.
Thanks for this comparison. I'm really tired of "Nikon has the worst Autofocus and the eye-detection is a nighmare..." bla-bla-bla. I love my Nikons, especially for landscapes. The Z7 and the Z7 II are both excellent cameras and i love the Z lenses. I hope for 3rd party lenses soon, just to have more options, because the Z70-200 had almost ruined my bank account ;-)
Don’t forget, Dynamic Range also includes Highlight recovery. Often time camera makers bias the ISO toward shadow recovery at the expense of clipped highlights.
Yep, but Fujifilm are the only ones who tune for highlight recovery/ falloff right now, and full frame is the only (alive) sensor size they don't make cameras in.
I love the Noct weight scale, keep it going.
I've seen it so many times but I will forever be amused by the "Noct" measurement 😌
What is amazing is that nothing beats the Noct! The ultimate anchor )
What is "Noct"?
@@СергейМогутов-ъ4д What is "Noct"?
@@VitaliyFrolov Noct refers to the Nikon Nikkor 58mm f/0.95 Noct which is a behemoth of a lens that weighs 2 kilos or 4.4 lbs
@@4evadunkley And costs $8000
I ended up going with the Z7II after a while of deciding between an S1R, the R5, the a7Riv(a) and the aforementioned Z7II. I’m happy that I did because the body alongside both the 24-70 2.8S and the 14-30 4S proved to be such a winning combo for landscape and cityscape photography, which is what I tend to do a lot of. That 14-30 especially is such a real gem. It’s got great IQ, goes all the way to 14mm whilst having an 82mm filter thread and it’s pretty darn small and light.
To be fair, the other bodies would do just as well too, but it’s especially that 14-30 (among other things) that made me pick the Z. The closest would be the 14-35L on the R5, but surprisingly, I found myself not enjoying the ergonomics of it as much as the Z.
Great video again.
Something I would like to see is a comparison or recommendation for the best camera for shooting family. I think there are a lot of things to consider, size, number of lenses to carry around, short videos...
Could be expanded to file handling for people that don't have a lot of time, software for easy video cutting ...
I have the A7 RIVa and the screen is amazing. So much improved!
I have the Sony A7RII, A7RIV and A7RIVA, I do not care about the backside monitor/screen resolution, but it will be very nice in a future Sony A7RV with a 9.5+ EVF with 1.2x optical magnification which will work much better for Landscape Photography with wide angle Lenses.
Z 7II also has 900s shutter speed at M mode. Very few RUclipsr have mentioned this feature.
Makes one wonder what you do in 1800 s (900 + noise reduction time....) Half an hour for one picture and at the end of it you realize there was a tree branch moving all the time and the battery is also dry.
@@Joamonica It can be handy in some situations. My XPro2 also had that feature. It allowed me to let a car drawing an extremely long light trail below a glacier in Norway.
@@Joamonica not using the noise reduction in cam but I use the extended exposure feature a lot for smoothing water and start trails. It’s made things easy that we’re tricky before. I was having to use a remote and timer.
@Albert D because it doesn't really matter with bulb mode.
@@HiPnautique right but you have to time it then close the shutter without touching the camera or- let the camera do it. No wireless no timer etc. Also you can do extended shutter TimeLapse or multiple exposure.
Please do more Nikon centric videos. I get that on RUclips it’s the new thing to shit on Nikon but a lot of people still like them
They're kind of trailing behind though. Price is the main thing they have over Canon and Sony. I wish Nikon would do something interesting to put some pressure on the other two but I think they'll go the way of Olympus in 5 years.
@@4evadunkley Z7 give the 95% of the AF performance of Son A7IV & beats A7IV in all the other areas except the resolution. Nikon is only trailing behind Canon R5 & R6.
@@ktcool4660 the A7RIV is 2 years old and th Nikon just got refreshed. That's not really a win in my book. The next a7r is going to pull a lot of features from the Alpha 1 so Nikon will still be playing catch-up.
@@4evadunkley I said Z7 not Z7 II which is on par or has better AF than A7IV. A1 does not matter because Nikon Z7II competes with A7RIII & A7RIV.
"The next a7r is going to pull a lot of features from the Alpha 1 so Nikon will still be playing catch-up", Nikon is gonna do the same by trickling down all the Z9 processing power to the Next Z7III or the Z8. Sony will still be playing catch up to Nikon & Canon quality.
@@ktcool4660 When was the last time you shot birds in flight with a Nikon and a Sony? Fact is, for landscape AF is very close to "not important" - and beyond landscape, Sony does a better AF job. 95% of Sony, that was a good laugh, really.
I shoot wity the a7riii/a7iii and am still a happy camper when it comes to stills. I couldn't imagine needing anything more.
Did you guys talk about the 900 sec shutter exposure time Nikon Z7 ii has for long exposure photography?
Kinda cool, but anyone getting into long exposure photography is going to use something with more control (intervalometers, apps, remote shutters, etc). I really don't understand why these settings aren't configurable in the camera. Let me set my shutter speed to a very specific value!
FYI, Jordan made a mistake, you can definitely play back a sony timelapse in camera as implied at 10:40, "continuous PB for interval", and you can adjust the PB speed.
I would never skip your section, Jordan. ❤️
You might if you were focusing on landscape. Sorry Jordan, I watch all the rest of the time. :)
Interesting comparison. IMO pixel shift may be great for product, architectural, artwork, or still life photography. But for landscape, no because there's almost always something moving slightly (foliage, water, clouds, etc. So, no win for Sony's pixel shift here.
Hi. Thank you for the review. As I’m shooting a wide variety of pretty current cameras I want to suggest to compare the Z7II to the 50mpx medium format offerings today. I do like what Nikon is doing and my results punch usually way above other 35mm capture and close in on my X1D II files. While it’s not really there, I’m sure it would make a great comparison for amateur photographers to see if they “need” to step up or can be satisfied with the Nikon world.
The street price for the A7R IV has been around $2700 for weeks now. Perhaps the newly released “A” versions are still at $3500 but the original that you reviews here is currently heavily discounted.
Great comparision but I think you made one mistake: Nikon has the "ONE MOUNT TO RULE THEM ALL". With a TechArt Adapter you can use also the great Sony lenses. Which makes Z7, even in this catergory, the clear winner.
Currently, Id go with the Sony due to lens selection. Have to agree though the Nikon body has the edge. Using a high res. LCD outside is over rated in my view. I'd go with a better EVF any day.
Great video guys. I was actually wondering which might suit me better and then came across your video.
All I learn from being a subscriber to this channel is that the S1H is an amazing video camera in the right hands
The Pentax K1 is the clear winner.
Sure, if you can live with mostly outdated lenses, slow and erratic AF, and a system that weighs a Noct at a minimum.
Any particular reason the S1R was left out?
Wondering the same, it wins easily in a few very relevant categories.
@@-dubu the police would probebly call it lack of public interest...
Too heavy and not as popular ig
The Sigma fp L also got left out
Or an EOS R5 which at least has as much MP as the Z 7II... Oh yes, it has a fully articulating screen, so no point in complaining about the lack of it. Got it.
Good review, but what about video capabilities? Which is better?
Nice video. But I will say that Pixie shift does not work well with landscape photography!!! But it does work well with Product Photography
Great channel with great videos! I love all of your videos! Thank you!
8:34 Now THAT'S a Puddle Shot!
So how about a runners-up contest between the R5 and the A1, 5Dsr, D850 and GFX100S?
Can I vote for the latter...
Thanks for the video. I find it interesting that you had time to edit in a comment on the new A7R IVa with the improved LCD but not enough time to edit out your conclusion and show they were equal resolution. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Especially in July 24th when the announcement for the new Sony screen has been out for a while and already available to order. I am in no way anti Nikon just prefer current information. You don't have to rush to publish on RUclips. If you know the datas wrong fix it. One final thought. The A7R IV was available 15 months before the Z7 II. That allowed me to get about 10k more images than with the Nikon. I had considered the Nikon D850 for landscape but move to Mirrorless long before Nikon finally decided to follow.
We have to get you construction boots with puncture ratings! Keen and even Skechers have great options! It really is amazing how much the camera landscape has changed the last 10 years. Just so many amazing options.
Thank you for putting this video together and showing different aspects/comparisons with the two cameras. It has helped me make a decision in upgrading my camera, plus I learnt a couple of things as well that is always a bonus. Appreciate your time!
Chris and Jared, thanks for yet another great comparison video! As a landscape and product photographer interested in creating sharp, highly detailed images, I went with the Nikon Z7 and some stellar NIkkor S lenses for a few reasons: First, I have a long history with Nikon, starting with the NIkkormat FT3 back in the '70's. Second, I've always been impressed with NIkkor optics, and the fact that they make their own glass. And third, I simply enjoy the ergonomics of the Nikon bodies. That said, I do also like the reputation of the Sony 90 f/2.8 G Macro lens as being one of the sharpest lenses available for that system. (Currently, I use a Laowa 100 f/2.8 Ultra-Macro lens with the Z7 (since the Nikkor S version hadn't been released yet), and am obtaining super-sharp detail with that combo, especially when doing focus stacking! (Of course, I have to do this manually, since the built-in Focus Shift of the Nikons require an AF lens!) So, the Z7 System is about perfect for my style of photography. I really want to see tests comparing the now released 105 f/2.8 Nikkor S "MC" lens with the other macro lenses on the market. I'd be surprised if this new "S" lens wasn't found to be the sharpest Macro lens available. And one question if I may...I haven't dabbled in "Time Lapse" photography yet, but I missed the "feature" on either camera that guarantees that the camera will still "be there" when one "returns at the end of the time lapse"?! :-^ Thanks again!
Thumbs up for Chris owning this sharp metal this time!
Nikon wins in a comparison test for once! I thought the Sony was going to walk all over it here.
Especially with these Sony Fan boys
@@richardgorski23 Chris is Fuji fanboy and Jordan is Panasonic fanboy
@@80-80. And both have a thing for Canon!
The Sony is much older though so it's not quite a straight comparison...
I realize you have to start planning these videos somewhere, but am curious how you initially picked this specific pairing as “the best full-frame mirrorless landscape cameras that money can buy” over the Lumix S1R and/or the Leica SL2 or even the M10R.
Also ignoring the Sigma fp L
They covered the Leica in an earlier video and it's pretty clear why it's not a contender in this video.
@@ElGrecoDaGeek SL2, M10R, both, neither? I admit (with pride) that I don't watch every video they put out…
@@jlwilliams they have a video from about a year ago on the like a M10R. I hadn't seen it either, but I found it after I saw your comment and watched it.
@@ElGrecoDaGeek So you were able to classify the M10R “not a contender” BEFORE you had seen the video? Awesome!
Very nice and well done. Now that you have a winner I would consider a suade by side for landscape with the GFX 100 or GFX 100s. With some minor differences those 2 cameras are, in my very humble opinion, the pinnacle of output in landscape photography. I would think a lot of people who are currently sitting on the fence would love to see that comparison, including me ( although I am already over the fence as I own both of the GFX)
"Best full-frame landscape camera, Z7 vs a7RIV"
The Panasonic shooting the episode:
"Okay, rude.. "
This episode was shot on the S1H, which is a video-centric camera with a 24-megapixel sensor. It's not really designed to compete with the Z7 II or a7R IV for landscapes. It's a tool for a different job. The S1H is basically a cinema camera that can also take photos. It has a fan to prevent overheating.
The Panasonic S1R is the one to compete in this space. It has 47 megapixels. None of these high-resolution cameras are especially good at video except for the Canon R5 (because it shoots 8K, which is closer to the sensor resolution). But even the R5 overheats.
The S1 and S5 are more general-purpose cameras that can shoot good 24-megapixel stills and very good video...albeit with some limitations. They don't have fans either.
Of course, you have to ask yourself, "Do I really need so much resolution?" 24 megapixels is more than most people realize in terms of print size. You can print a 13" x 20" at 300 dpi with 24 megapixels and a 40" x 60" at 100 dpi.
@@danieldougan269 True about print size, but let's face it, most photographers who frequent online forums don't care so much about prints. What they want to know is: “How much detail will I see and how sharp will it look when I zoom in to 100?” Photography viewers don't give a kack about this, but photo shooters obsess over it endlessly…
Great comparison. I find it good to adapt to what you are using. In many ways this is a "too close to call" because it depends on what is important to you. I use Nikon and love them. How about a similar video for "Best full frame wildlife camera"?
I agree with your decision - great camera.
Compare A7riiiA new model with Z7ii.
That would be a grt comparison for similar range cameras
For me which ever win the dynamic range test is the overall winner
Exactly, but I think it was a tie to be honest.... Even though DXOmark has rated A7riv 14.8 vs Z7ii 14.7, and when he says a tie for ISO while a7 wins there to my eyes and also dxo has rated it a lot more than z7....then it was really a tie in dynamic range I think.
@@networm64 z7 better in dynamic range. It's a done deal
ISO 64 , gives the dynamic range of comparable ISO 100 in medium format .
Being a Sony shooter, what good is a camera without a wide selection of lenses? As long as the camera gets the job done, my biggest consideration are the lenses.
They Z series has a decent enough selection of native lenses with more professional ones on the horizon; you also get the adaptation of any of the F mount G lenses that while some focus a bit slower, all still work fully on Z mount. This opens up a ton of older glass and even some more niche stuff like the tilt shift and DC lenses Nikon has.
You can adapt every Sony lens to Nikon Z with a Techart adapter :-)
@@bernhardjost Sony lenses on Sony cameras, no adapters needed.
@@1armbiker If you like Nikon, use them. My first cameras were Nikons I loved them and shot them for years. The only reason I switched to Canon was because Canon had the first affordable digital camera. Now I shoot Sony cameras and lenses. All good brands.
Also Nikon glass blow it away when With their new glasses … over the long run … it’s going to be a big plus
Very articulate video. The Nikon lens collection can explode with the ftz adapter too.
Jagged Rebar: Touché, my friend. Touché.
Between the Sony and the Nikon, prioritising viewfinder resolution, battery life, weather-sealing, astrophotography, and price, I'd choose the Pentax K-1.
Hahahaha!!! Good one.
This is just sad!
If choosing a landscape body I would agree with DP Review and go with the Nikon. If however I was choosing a “system” I would be all in on the Sony a7riv with its excellent selection of quality lenses and focal lengths.
Honestly, Sir. This whole system thing is just a gimmick in my opinion. As pro photographers, agree or not, we often end up with just a couple of lenses we use all the time for our subject of choice and it all comes down to deciding whether or not the CURRENT offering is good enough for our job. Yes, having more options is always a bonus, but that's something more relevant to advanced amateurs and not full-time pros.
As of right now, for Landscapes, both of them do a decent job on the Native side but once you take into consideration the third party options for Sony, they just don't justify the high res sensor, especially the Tamrons which are indeed the VFM catalyst on the Sony side. However, Nikon Z mount S series F4 duo is 'Holy Smokes!' level of sharp. That too at the price of a third party quality offering. Not biased in any way, just my opinion based on shooting with both systems and lenses personally.
Back in 2015, Nikon shooters criticized Sony because "there is no lens". Now when Sony has more lenses, they call it a "gimmick".
@@shang-hsienyang1284 on the contrary, with the FTZ there is access to dozens of amazing and field proven AF-S G series native glass and more third party lenses to fill the gaps until the Z S series grows more options. And to add, we can go into the AF-D, the Ai/Ai-S, basically all the F mount glass from the 1960s. So essentially Nikon by a landslide has more native options actually.
I've been using my G series lenses on my Z and have not missed a beat.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 lol that's cute, Nikon still has more native glass than Sony. To be precise 146 for the Sony E/FE and 143 for the Sony DA/A mount AND a total of 330 for the Nikon F and Z combined. That's still more than both Sony mounts combined and Nikon is not even properly into the Z mount glass by now. Also both companies have TP support from Sigma and Tamron equally so no point there. All of this and I'm sounding like a Nikon fan boy, but I've personally hated Nikon until the recent Z5. I was using Canon for the rest of my career but the Nikon blew everything off with the Z5 vfm proportion. Nothing beats Canon in glass, till date. Period. But the point is not bragging on the legacy of the mount and lenses rather how many of them a full-time professional end up using. I am pretty sure a professional photographer knows what his tastes in imaging art is and what lenses fulfil the palette despite a tonne of options. It's a gimmick, by all brands. Not hating on Sony, sorry if you thought so. But that's a truth.
Also Tamrons lack sharpness and resolution. The sharper Sony G Masters are straight out breathing lungs. I'm not hating on Sony, nor committing to Nikon. Competition makes me a winner, not the brand. But Nikon is just catching way quicker, hard to digest pill. All Sony did from 2015 and beyond was AF AF and AF. Never thought I would say it one day, but yes, Nikon did a way better job by learning from others and actually making better imaging piece of glass.
Hey! It’s Jordan haircut day! You gotta buy a set of Wahl clippers and get Chris to teach you the ways!
I’d love to see a video on the best Fujifilm video lenses. First/third party.
Buy a different camera. Fuji is a joke. The Xt4 is 26 mpx but 20 mp from olympus and panasonic looks sharper. Autofocus works well in f2 lenses, but not great. The aperture is another story, just a fuc...nightmare. The most expensive lenses don't work in video.WTF? But fuji is called the best hybrid camera. I bought xt4 and sold it after a month. Never again.
Very well balanced comparison. Great job.
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Glad you are standing on guard for thee.
We saw and smelled the smoke as far as Toronto. Stay safe and protect that wildlife. Sending you firefighters...
Sending you and the GTA all the love & safe summer @@AdamMuise , the planet can survive us on geological scales and corrections that could end us. Hopefully we can make the difference to turn things around & enjoy the many profound beauty at our hands.
I have never heard anyone say that Pentax did multi shot and ibis first. I had ibis in my k10 in 2006 and everyone said it was inferior to lens based, which was nonsense considering the other benefits it brought. I just think Pentax doesn’t get the recognition it deserves for innovation
what do you think of the Nikon 12-28mm lens? Is it a better choice compared to the 14-30mm?
I'm happy with the 96mpx from my Panasonic S1 that costs half the price of these two cameras you're talking about 😜
Great video as always guys!
Good luck with purchasing those "cost of a fortune" S Pro native glass or finding a Sharp enough "native" Sigma on the wide side for landscapes to justify the 96MP mode, mate.
However, I'm so jealous of your S1's ergonomics. Damn that beautiful body. 😍
@@sbk_nef we are living in a beautiful mirrorless world... I just adapt Zeiss Classic or Leica R manual focus lenses 😁🤟🏻 there's no need to buy native expensive lenses.
@@LucaBono.Studio Yes, I have Leica R Lenses, but Leica R Lenses are far from as sharp as fx Sony GM Lenses and Voigtländer APO Lanthar Lenses, then we come to resolution of the Lenses and once again the Leica R Lenses loses to the modern Lenses.
Pixel shift wasn't important for Nikon because there's very few times you'll have a scene where there's nothing moving. There's probably not very many landscape photographers who actually use that. One of the advantages for Nikon is that they have the shallowest phlange distances of all the brands. This means you can adapt everyone else's lenses. They make a Sony E mount adapter that will let you use any Sony lens. You can also get one for Canon's R mount. If Nikon doesn't make a lens you need but Sony or Canon does, you can adapt theirs to the Nikon. Focus breathing is an issue with Sony lenses. Nikon has pretty much corrected this issue. They built their z lenses with video in mind. Then there's the ruggedness of the bodies. Nikon wins out over Sony on that. Nikon files are much easier to work with. Both are excellent cameras. It really comes down to personal preference. I have a z6 ii. It may not have everything that the Canon R6 has or the Sony a7iii has but it does everything I need it to do and then some. Nikon is really supporting their mirrorless with firmware updates.
Shooting Nikon with their f/4 lens compared to Sony’s f/2.8, then comparing those images side by side? Are these lenses comparable in terms of sharpness?
Nikons 2.8 would have made a big difference, but the overall rating would be the same
Why did you guys not include the R5
Shoot out Sony A7S3 vs Panasonic S1H. We all know that Jordan will be sad at the end of that video😉 but it would be fun to watch. Like always great job!
Please suggest the best choice for someone who shoots portraits or fashion .
A year later…. But a great review that even me as a beginner i was able to understand it. Very well explained. Would love to see how the Nikon Z 7II competes with the Sony A 7III & Sony A 7RIII if it can be done!. Thank you!
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Thank you for this video! It sold me on the z7ii Iv had my eye on. Could you recommend your “must have lens’” that go best Gor this camera (wide angle/telephoto) etc. there are soooooo many lenses I don’t want to buy this camera then screw it up by putting a lens on there that doesn’t work the best with it.
Well, as I don't know what kinds of fotos you want to take, how can I recommend lenses *for* you? I really love the 50mm 1.2, but the 24-70 2.8 and the 14-24 2.8, too. All on the pricier and heavier side, but the finest lenses I had in hand, ever ;)
You can use the f mount lenses as well. I did a comparison between my Nikon service calibrated 24-70 2.8 f mount and 24-70 2.8 z mount and the only difference was in the edge performance. The vignetting was worse on the Zmount.
D810 - Z7II the best upgrade i've done so far.
it's a downgrade (for landscape)
@@SuperSuperka Why do you say that, SuperSuperka?
@@coleplacemb That's easy. You can compose your shot with DSLR in sleep mode, you often need just to look through viewfinder to decide - to shoot or not. Probably one of tenth time you may want to press shutter. DSLR just wakes up and you take your shot. Mirrorless cam must be "ON" for this wich will drain your battery rather fast. Or you need to switch "off-on" really many times, which is annoying. With DSLR you may spend several days with one battery, but with mirrorless - you may need several just for one (exageratting). And ofcourse remember how beautiful and natural is DSLR viefinder. Common problem with mirrorles - viewfinder/screen brightness is too different from ambient. This problem is adressed by manufactures, but it still a principal problem.
I enjoyed your confirmation of my decision to buy the Z7ii. However, I wonder how many people really look at these comparisons as buying guides. Seems to me that, if you are buying at the high end of the camera scale, you already have so much invested in a given manufacturer’s system that it would be very rare to jump into another system. Really useful cross-platform comparisons would be at the entry level and would include a look up the line to see what you would get as you upgrade.
I have a Sony A7 III, A7 R IV, Nikon Z5, and Fujifilm X-S10 and I really like all of them. I mostly shoot wildlife and the Nikon system is dying for a super telephoto zoom lens. I still can’t understand how they choose the order they develop their lenses. They have so many that cover the 24-200 range but only one the covers 300+ (not including prime lenses that cost an arm and a leg) and even the 100-400 is quite a bit more expensive than Sony’s 200-600 and a 400mm max focal length is fairly limiting for bird photography on full frame. I really hope Nikon releases their 200-600 soon because I can’t wait to be able to use my Z5 more and maybe get a Z7 II eventually.
As a previously owner of D850 and now z7 and z7ii test,
Nothing can match D850 performance
That or a fuji med format.
With a Sony sensor inside
@@SamandSteve yup. Sony sensor, someone else's UI. Good combo.
@@SamandSteve are computers that have Intel chips inside Intel knock-offs? I do not believe so, just look at the range of computers that can be built around the same processors. The Nikon 45 MP sensor in the Z7/D850 is the only such sensor with ISO 64, so it is more than likely that it is a Nikon designed and Sony manufactured sensor. Just like TMSC manufactures all AMD processors. Nobody cares if Nikon is using a Sony fab, that does not make them inferior.
@@NVIK5 thanks for the lecture. I just said the sensor is made by Sony. Which it is.
Sony has the worst time-lapse feature.
I love competition :) let's see what the different manufacturers will bring in the next years
A7Riv dynamic range supposedly measures slightly higher than Z7 ii, not lower. Need to consider highlights as well as shadows.
In charts, yes the A7RIV seems to be higher but in reality, no. The shadows on the Nikon look much cleaner than the Sony.
@@woodnymph7393 would need to test the highlights as well as shadows to determine DR. Better shadow recovery doesn't necessarily mean better DR, if it clips highlights sooner.
@@timwhite1111 true but the Nikon has ISO 64 and I think it will win the highlight battle :D
@@woodnymph7393 it does have ISO 64 but the ISO settings aren't measured, hence why exact same settings on 2 cameras can yield different brightness of images. Measured DR at base ISO is where the typical comparisons are (for the sake of specs rather than real use), and the Riv comes out higher.
Hi Chris! Love your reviews! Where did you get that Leophoto(?) Tripod? (I'm in the market for a nice travel tripod but I dont want to spend $1k). Thank you!
what makes them better for landscapes than the canon r5?
Dynamic range
Glass too as Z lenses for sure handle up to 100MP sensors. Better image quality overall from sensor, processor, and again.. glass.
You won´t find CA and heavy vignette on Z. Shoot RF 85 1.2, RF 35, RF 50 1.8, 14 and 15-35 RF´s... If you have a chance to compare, you will see that there´s an overall difference. ALso R system is the most expensive.
Interesting video lads another one good to see and hear your views on these cameras I think the Nikon is the best out of the two myself. I am a Fuji guy but its always interesting to get views of other manufactures stuff. Only one swear word today Chris your doing well! 🤣 keep the reviews coming they are always good and for entertainment value you guys just can’t be beaten!! Great stuff
I would like to see Jordan and Gordon compare video kits on the same budget. Other kit would be sensible balance between camera and accessories and the other would be the best camera but with with few accessories. And in the end we would see which gives the "most cinematic" footage.
If i solely shot landscapes, then i'd 100% be shooting a Fuji GFX. The Sony A7r4 doesn't just do landscapes, it has an amazing AF system capable of keeping up with some of the best wildlife/sports cameras, so as an overall beast, the R4 wins. The Z7ii is great too :)
I shoot both Sony and Nikon too.
It seems wrong to call the A7RIV more expensive when it is currently the same price as the Z7II in the US (with the improved LCD, too). Nikon launches products at a lower MSRP but is loathe to discount them, while Sony discounts heavily after the initial year or so. Especially when you're comparing an older camera to a newer camera.
That’s is completely false. You don’t pay attention to Nikon. Nikon discounts their cameras all the time, usually after a year. The Z7II has not hit the one year mark yet. The Z5 recently went to $999 from $1400. Huge discount.
True. I bought the a7riv for $2300 brand new. I would have gone with Nikon but they don’t have shit in the lens department. It’s a joke. If they pulled their pf lenses to a mount I’d go Nikon but not until then
@@Yupthereitism not US dollars you didn’t. The lowest it’s ever been is $3000 usd.
@@Calibr21 A few people reported $2300 on Amazon recently. It was a new camera and that price only lasted a few hours - maybe a mistake that is being honored.
Very detailed and informative comparison. Would like to see the Pentax K1 in a landscape shootout with a camera of your choice. Thank you
Sony is possibly watching this video and thinking we got next 3 years of new camera sales covered. 2022 - we will release A7R5 with touch menus, 2023 - we will release A7R6 with built in time lapse, and 2024 - we can release built in focus stacking... I mean who would want to bring those terrible features to A7R4 with firmware updates and impact future sales, right?
Chris. You know what makes the perfect landscape camera, an EVF like Google eye glasses with wifi connectivity to the camera. Or even one with a USB C connection to the eye piece.
Dude, Nikon is killing it mate. Heck, even their "entry level FF mirrorless" ie Z5 has IBIS, average weather sealing and Focus Stacking, that too with Dual UHS-II SDs and those super sweet S series 14-30 & 24-70 F4 lenses are DANG SHARRRP!
the Z5 is absolutely a breakthrough, unless you want faster frames and higher res (choose Z7) or a professional film making rig sensor (choose Z6). Are they even making any profits out of that body idk seriously!?
Edit- the z6/7 both 1st gen and 2nd gen have back side illuminated sensors so duh, obviously! But that's a very niche advantage in very very rare situations where you find the BSI is helping you out otherwise the Z5 is good enough in skilled hands. It all comes down to using added tools like a CP/ND or even just correct metering sometimes.
All I wanna say is if you're starting out on Landscapes, just grab the Z5 body and invest the surplus in that lovely 14-30 F4. You won't regret a dime!
I am currently shooting with the Z5, the image quality is on par with cameras 2-3x the price. The dynamic range is also state of the art. Focus bracketing feature is very useful. I am also quite surprised that many of my Sony E mount and Canon EF mount lenses work on it, the autofocus is actually on par with Nikon's F mount lenses on FTZ.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 the only issue I've faced on my FTZ till date was my 85 F1.4 G was running a bit slow on the AF side and making wierd noises but Nikon sorted it out with a newer firmware recently. The sensor isn't something that blows my mind for sure. But considering the cost, especially with that Z 24-70 bundled!? Dear Sir that's a deal to steal.
The lenses for Nikon are garbage. Until they can match the quality of their f mount lenses they will be a joke
I can't believe Chris didn't see that Sasquatch .. Standing there with two cameras no less:)
Nikon Z looks great but in NZ shops at least there is a shortage Of the Z Mount lens range available to buy and as a potential customer with no F Mount glass it’s a massive deterrent. Sony wins for me just by availability of lenses and third party gear.
Nikon Z and Mirrorless in general is pricing itself out of the market here in NZ. If you want a z7ii and a 24-70mm 2.8 your looking at 10k add another couple of lenses and some accessories and your looking at close to 20k its ridiculous. I'm sticking with my D850 and F mount glass all of which I brought for less half the cost of the equivalent the Z stuff.
I’d personally look at an a7r3 over an a7r4. Less compromises to get the extra resolution and you can find them at a good price these days, especially used
I have both and for mixed use the r4 is much better with its new tracking af for example. r3 is good value for sure and maybe if you only do landscapes but if you see a some wildlife the r4 by luck it will act much better and faster.
I have the Sony A7RII, A7RIV and A7RIVA, I do not care about the backside monitor/screen resolution, but it will be very nice in a future Sony A7RV with a 9.5+ EVF with 1.2x optical magnification which will work much better for Landscape Photography with wide angle Lenses.
I just picked up a Sony a7riii A……value for money it can compete with these two. I switched from Nikon ( I loved my Nikon’s ) to Sony,I wanted to go mirroless and Nikon were dragging their heels at the time.I’m now so deep into the Sony system I’d be divorced if I changed again,also I love the Sony system.👍🏻
When it comes to lenses: it is noticable that both Nikon and Canon offer 14mm lenses with screw on filters, while the widest lens with front filters for Sony starts at 16mm. This sounds like a small difference but 7 degrees field of view is substantial. I am starting to think that the very narrow lens mount of the Sony plays a part in this.
probably worth comparing the GFX100S to the A7RIV and Nikon Z ii. All are excellent cameras and while I grab the Fuji most of the time, the Sony comes with for certain landscape features. I understand that you would have to factor the price but all kits cost like $10k by the time you fill out a kit anyway. Also, the Olympus EM-1 mk3 is a respectable hiking landscape camera and I do wish we had some of the Olympus computational features in any of these cameras (live composite and live ND for example), even as a lower res preview option.