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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2019
- In this excerpt video from the Mass Readings Explained, Dr. Pitre covers the famous verse from Proverbs 8 that Arius used to argue that Jesus was a created being and therefore not fully divine and only a creature.
The confusion that has arisen regarding this chapter is, as Dr. Pitre, points out is in the translation from Hebrew to Greek. Watch and see how Dr. Pitre addresses Arius' contention that Proverbs 8 claims that Jesus is merely a creature.
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I just love this guy! What a brain and what an explanation, no creation just God!
Superb explanation as usual! Thank God for St. Athanasius and the rest of the ancient fathers behind him for rebutting Arius!
What a blessing it is, to see someone operating in their gift of the Holy Spirit. Oh Lord, thank you, fan the flame of your Church, in these days of looming darkness, in the name of Jesus, amen.
Dr. Pitre has a beautiful way of engaging us to learn more and more about our faith. Gods light has shone upon him to carry these messages to his people. Aren’t we lucky?
These videos are simply so enlightening and entertaining at the same time. I love the enthusiasm with which Dr. Pitre explains the subject/
I entertained lots of heresies before finding the Church.
This was one truth pill I just swallowed without understanding it fully, but now it makes total sense.
Thank you Dr. Pitre.
Another amazing, lucid, passionate, superb explanation , God bless you doctor. Your long videos are very much appreciated and needed instead of sneak peak type ones. Thanks be to God. 🙏🙏
if you think about it, some Modern groups like Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses, who do not believe the Divinity of Jesus, are basically just modern Arians.
Actually Arianism was widely accepted during the fabrication of Islam by Muhammed.
As a caravaner Muhammed had common interaction with Arian Heretics and Jews.
Hence why Muhammed when fabricating his new religion denied the Holy Trinity and Divinity of Christ.
Actually Islam only grew because of all the Christological Heresies that were engulfing Christianity in his time, especially in the East.
@@michaelmurray7496 Mohammed was a con man..
Adam Hovey yes they are basically Arians,
Adam Hovey pretty much...
OH you are all stupid, Arianism is closer to God than all you idiots who worship a man as a god. Trinity is heresy, you should all be asking your Forefathers (Judaism) and Islam is the truest Religion even though the world hates it. Jesus said to hate the world and all your Father (Devil) and Mother (Your churches)
Revelation 13:14 (NLT)
14 And with all the miracles he was allowed to perform on behalf of the first beast, *he DECEIVED all the people* who belong to this world. He ordered the people to make a *GREAT STATUE of the first BEAST, WHO WAS FATALLY WOUNDED AND THEN CAME BACK TO LIFE*
The cross is the mark of the beast, the beast that was fatally wounded and came back to life. (Died and Resurected)
They place the mark of the beast in your forehead on Ash Wednesdays
and they perform the cross with their right hands, the Spanish Inquisition killed you if you didn't accept the False Messiah, you cannot buy or sell if you are dead.
The false prophet who is a model after the Pope's son, Cesare Borgia, so he is the real false prophet.
You were warned not to worship this man as a god in these end times.
So what statue did they build of a false god that died and resurected?
Is it a building, or a magic stone?
What other man is being worshipped as god today?
What other false god was fatally wounded and came back to life (died and Resurrected)?
What other god, that has died and resurrected, was made into a statue?
What white man lived in the middle east 2000 years ago? Who is Cesare Borgia ... He is not a prophet, yet he is the image and the face of Christianity, a false prophet.
This video shows your history:
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That is so awesome. Thank you Dr Pitre for the depth of your knowledge about the things of God and sharing it with ordinary people like myself. It deepens my faith in the One True God. And also, the choice of the Readings at Holy Sacrifice of the Mass may seem odd at first glance but as you reflect on it you see the wisdom of the Church in catechizing the faithful and leading them to sanctity. The Holy Spirit guides the Church, as Jesus promised.
Wow! thanks for explaining and clarifying Dr Brant Pitre. God bless you!
Thank you Dr. Brant Pitre,,, a soul and heart enlightenment!,,, PRAISED GOD FOREVER!,, IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT ONE GOD FOREVER AND EVER AMEN!,, 🙏❤️🙏😇
BRILLIANT ! Thank you Dr Pitre!!!
OMG!!!!!SUPERB....THANK YOU FOM THE BOTTOM OFMY HEART
"we can confess the truth of it" and maintain the confession of truth through faith.
Wow that's super brilliant explanation Dr. Brant Pitre! Thank you so much!
God bless you!
GOD bless Dr. Pitre the Wisdom pf Holy Spirit revealing himself to this Generation.. Thank You Avah
True. God Bless All Church members and teachers Amen
Thanks for explaining. Always learning!!!
Thank you Dr. Brant Pitre. God bless you always.
Amen, thank you for this great video, God bless you Sir.
It seems to me that the beginning of John's gospel also verifies that Jesus was with God from the beginning of creation, not created.
In the beggining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was GOD. John 1:1
@@isabellaschorno3714 And Jesus is the word aswell as God (The Son), this implies that Jesus was with God
@@shaggy2699 that’s right
God is spirit, spirit is invisible, Jesus is the embodiment of invisible God(Father).
@@JSVKK Nope. That's heresy.
I don't know if this is an allowable thought but I wonder what would have happened if Dr. Pitre was there during the Arian heresy or the Catholic Protest in the 16th century? Maybe we would have saved the Church some historical headache. Just thinking!
Eric Gatera I was reading “arianism” in the catholic encyclopedia and the issues being discussed have created following in the east. A young man of 30-st Athanasius eloquently defended our Faith as discussed by Dr Pitre but he suffered various persecutions, ousted, banished, restored, etc by arians so that this period is truly a very difficult era of our Faith. Let us pray that during these modern times we will not be mislead by many noises emerging to muddle our faith. Dr Pitre is a gift to us re-educating us to our Faith as contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Eric, when I read your post I immediately began to chuckle. Dr. Petri is truly gifted and a gift to us all. Occasionally, I go to reconciliation with a Jesuit priest. Mostly so that I/we can talk through "things". I went to see him yesterday in preparation for first Saturday. During our conversation I brought up Dr. Pitri and to my great pleasure he stopped me, got out a piece of paper and asked me to repeat his name while he wrote it down. Needless to say I got the warm and fuzzies and said a little prayer for him later at Adoration at my church.
I should note that he's one of several priests at the student parish of a very large university here where I live. I sincerely hope that he's sufficiently impressed to share Dr. Pitri (and Catholic Productions, RUclips) with the students he's advising.
I love when people incorporate Greek and and Hebrew into their biblical interpretation
Truly a wise man
Good stuff! Break it down for us doc. Appreciate it!
Wisdom is called a female at the beginning of Proverbs. She calls... although sometimes I think that is to put the man in his place and not above the woman.
We know Christ being called an Angel of the Lord in the old testament who accepts worship. The Trinity cannot be denied nor can it be explained to where we as humans can fully grasp.
Very sound explanation!
Great explanation as always.
I love you Brant!!!! Great smart man!!! Heavenbound!!!!!
Amen Dr Pitre,excellent explaination.
Brilliant explanation. Thanks❤️
Very enlightening. Thank you so much 🙏
Love Dr Pitre
Thank you Dr Brant, you have made it a little bit clearer though it still remains a mystery ! Trying to think "outside time" doesn't come easy to me !
Nor does it for most mere morals😇
It is easy! Just begin as God is the only reality and everything else are His live works.
love it. I got my Bible to follow and see what words were used in my Bible too. :)
Excellent! And to think of it, even at the beginning of creation God said "Let us make man to our image and likeness" (Genesis 1:26). Notice the word "us". This is not a passage to refer to God and the angels. Only God creates, not the angels. And we human beings are created in the image and likeness of God, not the image and likeness of angels.
Thank you
thank you sir...GOD bless you...JOY JISHU.
Thank you, this was very good! I want to learn and be able to explain the basics of the Christian faith better. We Lutherans recite the Apostles Creed on Sundays. The Nicene isn't used so much.
Beautiful!
God Explanation. St. Augustine's treatise on the Trinity says pretty much the same.
Wow this is the first verse I've found where the NAB has the superior translation.
Wow.. made it look easy😮
This Dr. is simply learned.
Ok, but you didn't explain the first sentence using "possessed". Does "beget" also mean possessed? And how was possessed defined?
Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of The Father.
I envy Dr. P, preaching on a subject eternal that most likely will be discussed in eternity! Not a jot shall pass away of the Eternal Word!
Amen !
At 05:30 the verb (or past participle) "possessed" is cited as being the English word choice found in the NAB (and other translations), but the word "possessed" is never again mentioned in this video. If it was an error to translate the Hebrew originally used in Proverbs 8:22 into the Greek word meaning "create," was it also error to use "possess?" Dr. Pitre moves into what he sees as the correct English translation for the Hebrew as "beget" but never again mentions whether "possess" was apt or whether that word choice equates with "beget." Without clarification, the video's content is cloudy.
Doesn't he answer that at 6:27 to show how Arius translated it wrongly using the Greek word then explain the word create is not the right translation so it should have been a greek translation of 'qanah'?
@@saichopaotla8162 no, I have watched this multiple times, he never clearly explains "possesd". He moves directly to "beget" with no connection to the word "possessed".
Agree completely!
Dr. Pitre speak of the "original Hebrew" but is there a Hebrew source older or more reliable than the Septuagint? The Masoritic texts were not finalized until after 1000 AD.
Most people mistakenly believe that Tanakh/the "Old Testament" had been codified in a single form at the time of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. If you read the theological history of the development of the canon of sacred Scripture you will find out that this is not so. Because of the captivity of the Hebrews first in Assyria, and then in Babylon, Hebrew, for the average person, had become an unintelligible language. Only some priests and rabbis still understood it, and only those very close to the center of Judaism in Jerusalem near the Temple. The universal language of the Roman empire had passed into it from the prevalence of the Alexandrian Greeks and was "koine Greek" (common Greek). It served the purpose that English does in the present day, as a language that most cultures knew; the language of commerce and government. Consequently, the sacred Scripture of 1st century AD Judaism had been translated into the Greek in Alexandria (the Oxford or Sorbonne of its day; there was a massive imperial library in Alexandria) and was known as the Septuagint version because it was believed to have been translated by seventy/seventy-two Jewish theologians/rabbis/scribes. When you compare the quotes of Jesus and the Apostles, in the New Testament scriptures from Tanakh / the Old Testament, overwhelmingly they come from the Septuagint version of the Old Testament.
Begot is in NAB St. Joseph's edition. Enjoy!
I liked it
Therefore, as we are talking about the Holy Trinity, is the Holy Spirit also eternal?
Yes , very much ......
Yes. The eternal God is Tri-personal.
Yes
That's why it is mentioned as triuon god or trinity
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son, with the Father and the Son, He is worshipped and glorified, He has spoken through the prophets...
In a word, Yes!
Wow!
Dr.Pitre.
Doesn't trinity contradict first commandment in the ten commandments.
Please explain...
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Trinity is not talked about in old Testament, yet we see the instances of Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) and voice of God ( pre figured Jesus the incarnate Word ) as appeared to Moses at burning bush. Also God appeared to Abraham as three men as strangers. Though the language used in old Testament sometimes say as Angel of God , we see that Abraham prostrated and worshipped the three men and we do know that angels of God do not and cannot require such type of worship as we read in the book of Tobias where angel Raphael asked them not to worship him. We did not fully know God , His true image untill Jesus revealed it to the world. Also we do hear God addresses Himself in plural , at many instances, not only as a singular person. However Trinity is a subject one has to believe to understand and not possible to understand and believe. God bless you.
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Thanks for the efforts you have put to explain trinity.
Though its impossible to be grasped by human intelligence still I personally believe the omnipotent loving Father could take any form to save His children from condemnation. God bless you Brother.
I like St Patrick's clover explanation, or as the French use, the Fleur De Lis.... One plant (One God) three parts (Father, Son and Spirit).
I think about it as all three truly being fully God, but how God reveals himself in three different ways.
God the Father is the 'Figure Head' and Author of all things, who reveals himself to us firstly through the 'Spirit' and ultimately reveals Himself to us in human form as a Man, 'God the Son' Jesus Christ.
Today God still reveals himself mostly through His Spirit and at the resurrection from the dead, God will live with humanity forever as the Son, Jesus Christ.
Janette Davis the triangle is a very good analogy. I’ll have to use this one on Muslims.
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Now this is becoming a problem. because i genuinely thought that the correct christian belief is that
God is the essence which father, son and holy spirit share. Yet god has no form or body of itself, rather 3 persons with 3 forms / existent bodies, that represent 3 instances of the same essence, hence the co equality. Yet again, these 3 instance are not parts, they together do not compose a god being, nor it's one being who is sometimes takes the form and role of the son, and some other times takes the shape and the role of the holy ghost, and so on, rather each one of them is 100% god.
But i keep finding people ascribe themselves to Christian faith and keep giving examples that cannot be reconciled with this understanding, which i believe is the right understanding. Please correct me.
Although i am not specialist, since i witnessed the dignity and truthfulness of dr James white, and because i watched several debates for him, and sometimes get lost, and because i really want to test to what extent is he consistent through the rest of his debates, that i intend to watch. i started to read authentic books from true distinguished mainstream high profile christian figures.
thanks this passage has has always been a problem for me since the Jehovahs Witnesses used it...thanks for explaining
Jesus is the divine son of God he is not God, they removed God the Father as the Godhead at the Council of Nicaea and replaced Him with Jesus. The Catholic Church are sending you down the wide path to destruction.
@@Thyalwaysseek the ever perfect Jehovah witness the Catholic did this, the Catholic did that, What did the Jehovah witness do.... nothing.
@@generalnwankwo8689 I'm not affiliated with the JWs but they are the only sect of Christianity who hasn't been tricked into worshipping the Son as God the Creator. The Catholic Church are the most openly wicked and corrupted sect of Christianity. If you think when Jesus is returned he is going to be impressed with those aligning themselves with a group of men who literally tortured and burned humans to death in his name then you are in for a nasty shock.
"I'm gonna have to do some Hebrew and Greek." Dr. Pitre looks excited. LoL.
I admire your videos and I have got insight into a lot of astonishing facts in the Holy Bible. Thank you.
Forgive me if I am wrong, why then is Wisdom referred to as 'she' in the Holy Bible? Then, are Wisdom and Wisdom of God different ?
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Athanasius and Arius both debated about a word in Septuagint. Why didn't they seek another information from Hebrew bible?
@@skeemo5782 yes and they should have taken them both to consultation room then lol
@@skeemo5782 yeah it's his belief, and Arius had his belief. Each indeed held his own belief...
Well I disagree with Arianism anyway...
but I also disagree with how the other church fathers excommunicated him then..
Even there are 4 canonical gospels that are indeed slightly different from one another yet we accept those books as authoritative...
So why didn't they appreciate someone whose belief was, well, a bit different about God who is, yeah, a gigantic mystery which we cannot fully comprehend ever?
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Wow, why 2 mins to lead up to proverbs???
Wow
What is the meaning of Hagia Sophia?
It is Greek. It means Holy Wisdom, or Divine Wisdom.
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Waw why can't we have this teaching so clearly from oll the teachers?Becouse not oll a coled to be teachers only those that God chose for our our sake Haleluya Blesing and honor Glory and power be unto him who sits on the throne for he has readeemd us
I have heard another explanation is that Wisdom here in Proverbs alludes to the Incarnation of Christ, that his "birth" was understood and planned well before Creation and it is because of his incarnation that Creation happened. He is the "firstborn" over creation in the sense he is the reason for creation and he is the birth of the Old and New Creation.
He is the firstborn of all creation = The first of Gods works. A beginning at some point in history before the world began. In Him the fullness was pleased to dwell and through Him The Father created all things that were created. The "SON who was and is now" is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being in whom all things hold together. In that context Jesus is God.
Fullness= All the Fullness of the Father or all the wisdom and power of the Father. In that unity Jesus, (who has His own Spirit), is all that the Father is and one with the Father. Now at the will of the Father a body was prepared for Jesus and the Son who was, His Spirit, was placed in that body and the Spirit of the Father was living in Him doing His work.
Jesus on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"
The Holy Spirit or Spirit of God or Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is the Fathers very own Spirit. The Spirit of the only true God. The Spirit that dwells in Jesus without limit. (fullness)
The Fathers promise, "in the last days I will pour out MY Spirit.."
The Spirit Jesus sends in His name He received from the Father. Acts 2
Jesus=>for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Matt 10:20
Jesus=>The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon me for He has anointed me....
So this question, "Is Jesus God?" is answered thus
He never dies
yes, He is all that the Father is
no, He has always been the Son
The head of the body of Christ=>Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
Note the word Son and that the Son received authority from the only true God
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been GIVEN to me. THEREFORE go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the SON and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
It is the Father who glorifies Jesus.
Jesus inherited all things as from a parent. He received all authority. All that belongs to the Father belongs to the Son and Jesus has a place on His Fathers throne and is the ruler of Gods creation and the mediator of a new covenant between the Father and man. He has been found worthy of honor and power and glory forever by the Father.
Jesus has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God.
@@randyw.8781 Don't forget "firstborn" in the past didn't have to mean "first one born" but Manasseh was the firstborn of Joseph...Jacob gave blessing of the firstborn upon Ephraim (Genesis 48:12-20)
It is really preeminent.
In fact that is what is said in verse 18 of Col
First Chapter
*18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent*
The Church defined for us the nature of the Son, in that he is Eternally Begotten of the Father not in time
Hebrews 1:3
3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature,
Since God's nature is Eternal, then Jesus who is the very imprint of that Nature, is himself Eternal.
@@nthdegree1269 Jesus is before all things. He is the first of Gods works. He has always been the Son. The firstborn of all creation and in Him the fullness was pleased to dwell. All the fullness of the Deity of the Father. In that unity Jesus is ALL that the Father is yet has always been the Son.
Jesus calls the Father the only true God. If He always was and always was God how then do you believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"?
Hebrews
When God brings the firstborn into the world He commands all His angels to bow to Him.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
@@randyw.8781 He is "Eternally Generated"
Hebrews 1:3
*And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature*
How can Jesus be "Created" if he is the exact representation of God's nature? Since God's nature is Eternal, then Jesus is Eternal.
Jesus prayed to the Father, committed his spirit to the Father and many other things, because, Jesus had a human nature. He lived as a real man, not a avatar.
If Jesus is merely created, then the question you have to ask is .....Did God "make him this way on purpose"? Did God make a "clone" without freewill? Put him at the first sequence of Creation? IF God did this, then this means God could have made billions of Jesus'. Why wouldn't he?
Also, since Jesus existed before Time and Space, that would mean he is beyond Time and Space. He would be Eternal.
We are told in Scripture that.....
Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Who "Was"? .....Recall in the Beginning The Word *WAS* and then became Flesh and then is coming in the Future.
Jesus, Was and IS and IS to Come...
Amen....Come Lord Jesus...
Revelation 22
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
@@nthdegree1269 The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. Jesus has His own spirit. Jesus calls the Father the only true God and His God. Jesus is not that fullness. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. The eternal Spirit without limit that dwells in the firstborn is the Fathers. That's how Jesus can be all that the Father is yet still be the Son who has a God. I believe Jesus is ALL that the Father is and in that context is God. Yet as the firstborn who has His own spirit Jesus is not God.
Begotten before all worlds but not made - I agree in part
The "SON" is the radiance of Gods glory. That "SON" inherited all things as from a parent.
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certainly is confusing
Interesting. Was wisdom created or begotten? It was begotten before the beginning of time and eternity.
Since begotten means coming out of the Father, it is a reason to call Him a Son.
Thinking out load
since Atoms give order because they are observed
all life has order therefor there is an observer
The only time we see Atoms behave different is in the Resurrection when Jesus rose with a new body
That body behaved different than other bodies ,ie can appear and disappear or walk through walls or rise into the air.
So the heavenly body does not consist of Atoms or Atoms work differently in a heavenly body.
so my questions are did Jesus when he rose take on his original heavenly body or a new body? Did he take on his original body when he went to the Father?or was it the resurrected body glorified?
Heaven after all is a created thing, so does heaven consist of Atoms too?
if Atoms are the building blocks of all creation, heaven included then God has to be outside of creation so do Atoms exist outside of creation .
when we become one with Jesus do we leave heaven and all creation to be one with God as I can't see why God would only exist inside of his creation!
Are Christians restricted to Heaven, if so how can we be one with God?
I was asked would heaven not get boring if it was for eternity, so got to thinking about eternity and what it is
thanks for reading and I hope someone out there in computer land has some insight on this.
i too have your first two questions, which are basically one question. and i genuinely looking for an answer. please let me know when you have the answer.
I wouldn't necessarily assume that atoms are the building blocks of any created thing. since god is omnipotent, it is but convenient that god can create creatures of different essence. I also wouldn't assume that people graced with heaven will have their same atom based bodies. unless someone knows otherwise.
Regarding eternity i quote the gentleman in this video "we cannot wrap our brain around eternity". so i would say, focus on the things that we can comprehend, the things we can exhaust (to an extent in some cases). and leave the unseen for the observer of the unseen.
To tackle all this is very simple. Just have sufficient faith in God, the only reality and everything else are His live work. Now work on all you know (knowledge, experience etc) you will end up at the catholic theology! Lack of faith in God resulted in all the errors.
NAB... say Jesus gives false prophecy in their commentary of chapter 21 of gospel of Luke.... and than they went to say the gospel was written later after the destruction of Jerusalem temple... no wonder the churches are empty... ... so sad .
The prophecies of the destruction of the Old Covenantal world (70 AD) come from the Old Testament books, eg.Daniel. The New Testament is the fulfillment of all things in the Old Covenant. Therefore it doesn't matter if the New Testament was written before or after 70 AD. There are no new prophecies in the New Testament. What you find in the N.T. is the FULFILLMENT of all things in the O.T.
You cannot be serious. You really just cannot be serious.
he born and he was inside marry without sexual intercourse with anyone else! that creates all the difference!
It is astonishing to hear Dr. Pitre say, and be convinced that "The Father and the Son operated together to bring the Universe into being." when God in the Old Testament makes it abundantly that there is no other 'supernatural being' but himself alone.
Edward Longfellow The New Testament Paul says of Jesus “All things were created through him, all things were created for Him.” And Gospel of John says “without him nothing would have been made that was made.” The divine action of the Triune God is united. Father Son and Holy Spirit as one created the universe.
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The words of Paul and John, are of fallible men. If Jehovah, the god of the old testament is to be taken as the Creator, then he must be trusted when he states that he, and he alone, is the One god and beside him there is no other.
Jesus, the word, is God. Are not your words you in a way that can be expressed? Are not your words the way you make your self known.? The word is the self in action, Jesus is God in action. The Father made all things through Him.
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You need to acquaint yourself with the writing of the Old Testament!
, “There is no Saviour apart from me.” Israel's Only Savior
…“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me, no god was formed, and none will come after Me.Yes I, am the LORD, and there is no Savior but Me. I alone decreed and saved and proclaimed-I, and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God.…
Isaiah 43:11
And Jesus answered him “ The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord”
Mark 12:29
Jesus is not God, for he shows that he is the servant of God.
@@forthfarean I thought that christian belief is of three persons, and that thinking that the father and the son are single or one entity/being is heresy. Also, in some way we can say my words are me, in the sense of aspect of me, extension of me. But the son has a unique form/body beside the father who also has unique body and form. Please correct me.
Creatures are created. Same root word
The mystery behind Proverbs8:22 can be understood if we read St.Montfort reflection that there are Two Wisdom, the Uncreated Wisdom is Jesus Christ and there is the Created Wisdom and this is not Jesus but a personification only.
Next, we need to study the reflection of St.Kolbe in stating there are Two Immaculate Conception. The Uncreated Immaculate Conception is the Holy Spirit and the word "qanah" means the Holy Spirit created or born a Spirit of Created Immaculate Conception.
This is a profound mystery that God hidden from the wise esp.to satan and his demons, why?
The answer is wriiten in Genesis3:15. God declares war, and when God declares war He cannot reveals openly His Divine Plan. The Divine Plan of God were contained in the Spirit of Created Wisdom that was "qanah" by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus the Begotten Son of God received the Holy Spirit as His Anointing.
The mystery, Im going to share is...
Who is the created person who received the Spirit of Created Wisdom described in Proverbs8:22?
The answer is found in the Upper Room when all the Apostles & Disciples received the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in the form of anointing.
Who is the person who received the Sevenfold Gifts of the Holy Spirit perfectly and completely? thereby possessing the Spirit of Created Wisdom in Proverbs8:22 in full as Her anointing.
Do you know who is this person?
St.Liguori pointed to Her specifically as the "another Advocate"..
Anyone know who Im talking about?
"I AM the Immaculate Conception" is the answer.
+ removing papo son away from me and following me inside my building in the name of Jesus for I would put him away he lost nothing with me and I lost nothing with them in the name of Jesus captive this spirit Lord in the name of Jesus Lord arrest this spirit thank you
8:28 "I've gotten the Lord from a man"? 😂 A slip, obviously. It's the converse he meant.
So the RSV is translated from heretical sources?
No, it is one of the best translations for serious Bible study.
When are you going to go to the part that says Jesus’s atoment is ones and for all , and you don’t get to don’t get to do it in purgatory?
Justification is a gift from God. Is an invitation really for everyone to participate in his sacrifice. It isn't a guarantee of salvation but an invitation. You will be judged based on your faith and works.
Wisdom is she ,say it to ppl finally .
is there no deductive information ever! everything is inductive implicit conclusion?!
1. "proverbs 8 is about the wisdom of god" the text itself says no such thing.
2. "Wisdom according to Paul is Christ"
god begot(!!!) wisdom, hence god begot Jesus.
well, I know that this is the work of real scholars who put much effort to explain and critique the bible and the doctrine, etc. and that myself is utterly ignorant on the matter. also of course i have no problem with inductive reasoning, otherwise i have problem with the majority of everything we know. But i have a problem (my problem) when every piece of information said in this video for example is based on another inductive information.
You say we cannot wrap our brain around eternity, i had an argument, but you simply dismissed it with such statement, and i agree, we cannot. However, we can conclude with so little effort that the son is dependent on the father, at least in the process of being begotten.
Finally,
when i read the video title (that's what i wrote in google search), i cant help but add. True god from true god, that's two gods, one came from another. is this ok with christian belief or do i have another problem?
Jesus himself said I and the Father are one. And remember when Thomas saw Jesus after his death and resurrection, he said "my Lord and my God." Jesus did not try to correct him. Also, after Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well, she went and told people about the man that told her everything she had ever done. She was probably exaggerating but can you imagine that when we die, everything we've ever done will be shown to us? You probably cannot, but even more than that, can you imagine being shown the CONSEQUENCES of ALL your actions in this world and even your inactions? I do think about some of these questions myself but I do know there are things that the human mind cannot ever fully grasp.
Regards.
Using inductive reasoning church arrived at God as trinitarian and the hypostatic union in Jesus Christ. The inferior deductive reasoning ends up in all heresies (protestants, muslims, because they begin with a book and their mind).
Christ is not the wisdom(separate), but Christ is the wisdom of God for us people. He is not wisdom to God.
To say that Jesus did not exist before coming to earth, then we know that Jesus is God, thus one is saying that God does not exist.
But we saw God on the Earth!!
As the Divine Logos ("Word"; cf. John 1: 1-5, 14, 18), in His divine nature, He exists from all eternity. It is not until He (the Divine Logos) assumes to Himself a human nature in space and time in 1st century AD Palestine, that He becomes Incarnate as Jesus Christ. It isn't a contradiction. You are confusing His existence, in His divine nature, as the eternally begotten Son, with His spatial / temporal Incarnation as a human being. Two natures (one divine, one human) in the one person of Jesus Christ.
Do you idol worship
I was watching Ninja Sex Party videos how the heck did i end up here?
Why true God from true God ? This is explained in this Jesus' interview:
I: "Dear Jesus, who is the omnipotent God?"
JESUS: "The Father seeks such people to worship Him. God is a spirit."
I: "I see: you mean that your Father is the omnipotent God and that He is also a spirit, ONE SPIRIT. Crystal clear: this means that God is just ONE spirit and not THREE IN ONE as generally claimed !"
I: "But if your Father is now a spirit, was He ALWAYS a spirit ?"
JESUS: "O righteous Father, the world has not known you...no one has ever seen God"
I: "Yes, I can figure out: your Father only existed in the past, this is why He is only a spirit now! This is why you "inherited" the reign of God (The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand.)
I: "Well, how could we call now "God who is a spirit"? But of course: "the Spirit of God" ! Now I understand why "John saw the Spirit of God" (the Spirit of your Father) descend as a dove and say "this is my beloved Son.... !". EVERYTHING is now made by your Father who is a spirit...
I: "But WHERE is your Father, the almighty God NOW? God cannot die or disappear, of course !"
JESUS :"He who has seen me has seen the Father"
I: " So is it: you were the Father, you were Him! "Son" only means that you COME from the Father, not that you are like a real Son! Yes, it was really weird God having offspring !
But what is the difference between you and you beforehand, when you were the Father ?"
JESUS: "I can do nothing on my own"
I: " I see: this means that you lost your power in order to become exactly like a normal man! This of course means that for any miracle you must turn to the Father... yes, I can recall you thanking Him for the Lazarus' miracle...
I: " Well, we could say that you are not the omnipotent God anymore but also that you are not someone distinct from Him: you still are God, even if non-omnipotent..."
JESUS: "the Father is in me and I am in the Father"
I: But, who is in Heaven now ?
JESUS: " the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God"
I: "A pity, your Father is only in the past and He cannot be in heaven now: this is why you judge people when they die.
JESUS : "I shall set the sheep on my right hand, and the goats on the left."
I: "Being classified as a goat for eternity... dreadful ! Well, you are alone and only your Father's Spirit is next to you. Of course: you are God and only one God can exist..."
Jesus said as its written; before Abraham was "I AM" .
God told moses to tell the people " I Am " sent you.
Its is written;proverbs, the beginning of "wisdom" is the fear of the lord.
It is written; in the beginning was " the word " and the word was with God and the word is God.
It is written; the word became flesh.
You don't need to know Hebrew to understand Gods word.
You speak as if you know more than Gods word.
"Jesus is God in the flesh" It is written;God came to Abraham in angelic form so he could speak to Abraham.
Questions for you, who is the Bible about man or Jesus ?
Answer; Jesus from beginning to the end
And you say Jesus is wisdom I say Jesus is God.
Jesus said as it is written; if you have seen the son you have seen the father," the father and I are one"
You are so far from the truth.
Jesus said "I AM " the truth, the way,and the life.
(What are you teaching people?) Jesus commanded as it is written; Go out to the world and proclaim the gospel making disciples.
Jesus is the gospel!!!!!!!!!!
Your teaching Hebrew and Jesus is wisdom. Blasphemy how dare you belittle my lord and Savior.
so jesus was never made!!
Begotten not created🙏🙏🙏🙏
Matthew 28:19 is where the trinity begins, does it not ? Let's see how this plays out. Matthew 28:16 pg. 70 n t NAB The 11 disciples went to Galilee
to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. Matthew 28:19 Go therefor, & baptizing them in the name of the Father, & of the Son, & of the holy Spirit. Matthew 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you. Mark 16:17 pg. 96 n t These signs will accompany those who believe: in the name..... Acts 1: 8 pg. 178 and you will be our witnesses. Luke 24: 47 pg. 141 n t and that repentance, for the forgiveness of sins, would preached in the
name of the Father, & of the Son, & of the holy Spirit . Acts 2:38 pg. 180, 181 n t Peter said to them, Repent & be baptized, every 1 of of you, in the name of the Father, & of the Son, & of the holy Spirit tor the forgiveness of your sins; & you will receive the gift of the 3rd person of the trinity, the holy Spirit .
If you are going to walk the trinity walk, & talk the trinity talk, you will need to rewrite the bible to go with it
Notice that the word Greek word translated into English as "name" at Matthew 28 is SINGULAR (one God), and the three Divine, co-equal persons are plural. The language of the divinely revealed Gospel is present in the sacred Scriptures AS they currently exist, and have existed for 2,000 years.
The firstborn of all creation=the first of Gods works. Jesus has always been the Son.
I don't know Arius nor do I quote his words even if they weren't destroyed.
The Holy Spirit could not be a created Spirit. Though Jesus speaks of that Spirit as separate from Himself the Father does not.
The Holy Spirit is the Fathers very own Spirit. The Spirit of God.
"Jesus" calls the Father the only true God. If Jesus always was and always was God how then do you believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"?
Begotten before all worlds but not made. - I agree in part.
"If" the Father has a beginning it could not be by any other being.
Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
As in all things its from the Father and through the Son.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
How then can the Son be the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being in whom all things are held together?
The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another)
I don't preach two Gods rather 1 God the Father and 1 Lord Jesus Christ. With the Holy Spirit being the Spirit of the Father.
...for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Matt 10:20
You should also see that it is the Father who glorifies Jesus.
Jesus does not call the HS His Father.
They didn't forget to honor the HS for its the Fathers Spirit
To Him who sits on the thrown and the lamb..
One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ..
And the Spirit Jesus sends in His name He received from the Father. acts 2
Again in all things its from the Father through the Son.
That Son is the heir of ALL things as from a parent.
That Son received all authority from the one He calls the only true God and His God.
The Fathers promise-=>In the last days I will pour out "My Spirit"..
One day the whole world will become the Kingdom of God and HIS Christ.
The Son who was, His Spirit, was placed in the body that was prepared for Him. And the Spirit of the Father was living in Him doing His work and they were one in that manner.
About the Son who was in Hebrews. -
The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs
Note the word Son
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
John 1:1 explained this better than this catholic. Jesus said " I and the Father are One." There is no trinity. Catholicism is different religion than christianity.
If your Christ isn't sufficient to save you from all your sins, you have a false gospel (galatians).
Why would God and Jesus be creating together? The creator created everything why would he need to form himself as his son and have him help him create? Catholicism is beautiful but I can’t help but see elements of paganism in the tributary belief.
You left out the holy spirit.. you have to understand trinity. GOD is triune. For example, say the Father, The Son, and the Holy spirit were all in one room and I walked in. If I said "Hello Father", the father would say hello. If is said "hello Jesus", Jesus was say hello. If I said "Hello holy spirit", the Holy Spirit would say hello. If I walked in and said "Hello God", all 3 would say hello at the same time. All are 100 percent God
The Father is the One who speaks the world into existence. The Son is the Divine Logos, the Word; the creative word that is spoken. The Holy Spirit is the meaning of the spoken Logos; the creative message of love.
NO.......not true god from true god.......but true son from true God.
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Sir, go reread John 1:1-5, 14, 18. To be a "Father", YHWH "begets" that which He is (cf. John 1: 14, 18). Animals beget animals, humans beget humans, Divinity begets divinity. Historically and creed-ally, to be a "Christian", is to believe God is both one (in substance or essence) and three (in person: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). They aren't simply "names" or "titles" that speak about one and the same thing. THAT heresy is known as Sabellianism / "dynamic monarchianism" / modalism. It isn't Christian. What's more, IF you believe that, by definition, you aren't a Christian. God is the Father. God is the Son. God is the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. One God. Co-equal persons. Google the words "circumincession" and "perichoresis" (John 10:38; John 14:11; John 17:21).
There cannot be 2 divine nature. There is one divine nature. There is no triune God.
YES, exactly, there IS one divine nature, co-equally and co-eternally shared by the three divine 'hypostases' [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit]. God is the Father. God is the Son. God is the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Jesus divinely revealed it, so it is true.
@@QuisutDeusmpc there's only one divine being and that is God Himself who is the Christ(wrapped in human flesh)
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There is only one Divine Being who eternally exists as three Divine 'Hypostases' (Persons) - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The second 'hypostases', the Divine Logos, became Incarnate - fully divine, fully human - and defeated our ancient enemies [Satan, sin, and death]: "...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us....". Please go reread the prologue to St. John's Gospel, "...and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God,...".
@@QuisutDeusmpc Brother, who are these 3 persons? Who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
Where does it say there are 3?
Is Father a God, Son a God and Holy Spirit a God? And this makes one God but all three are different?
2nd point, you rightly say that the Word became flesh as does 1 Timothy 3:16 God manifested in flesh. Now who manifested in flesh, Son or the Father or the Holy Spirit?
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I don't know how you can ask your first two questions unless you haven't read the four Gospels of the NT. I would encourage you to read them, or reread them at your leisure.
To me, it is simple math, sir. Father=1 PERSON; Son=1 person; Holy Spirit=1 person. ONE God[i. e. one divine 'substance'; one divine 'essence'], THREE divine persons['hypostases'].
It is the "Son" who is manifested in the flesh, He is the "only begotten Son" of God [cf. John 1: 1-5, 14, & 18].
Here's another example of Catholics' believing in unscriptural teachings. For instance, the Catholic Nicene Creed says that Jesus is "true God from true God," thus saying that there are _two_ true Gods. On the other hand, Jesus said at John 17:3 that his Father is "the *ONLY* true God." The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." Since the Father is the true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Answer: NONE!!
Just one question now. According to the Catholic Athanasian Creed, God is a trinity. As it says: "[The Father, Son, and holy spirit] are one God." So, if it takes three PERSONS to make one God, how can Jesus be "true God from true God"? Catholics don't have an answer to that question.
True God from true God means that he is begotten. He is of the same substance as the father. And so Jesus is God just like the father is God.
@@Personaje123 "True God from true God" didn't come from the Bible. Instead, it came from the Nicene Creed. Of course, such nonsense was made up by the Catholic Church. At John 17:3, Jesus didn't just refer to his Father as "the true God." Instead, he called his Father "the ONLY true God." The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others. So, since Jesus' Father is the true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Uh, NONE! Apparently, you missed my saying this when I first posted it.
"Jesus is God just like the father is God." Wrong again. Jesus' Father is also Jesus' God. As Jesus said to Mary: "I am ascending to MY Father and MY God." (John 20:17) Paul agreed, saying: "We always give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Cpl. 1:3)
Oh, and Jesus is not God; he's the Son of God. As Peter said to Jesus: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." (Matt. 16:16)
"[Jesus] is of the same substance as the father."
Really? Where does your Bible say that? Let me answer for you. NOWHERE!! Trinitarian terms like "substance" and "essence" were borrowed by the Catholic Church from pagan Greek philosophy. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of [pagan Greek[ philosophical origin: "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature"), "person" or "hypostasis", "relation" and so on."
The Catholic Church has been feeding you wrong information
@@cbooth151 Jesus founded the catholic church. There's no salvation outside of the catholic Church.
@@cbooth151 you not understanding theological terms is not an excuse for denying the church Jesus founded and the revelation he gave to it. You will be judged based on your faith and works(10 commandments)
I've never said there were more than one God. There's only one God. One God who has three persons. The trinity is a basic belief for anyone who wants to call himself a christian. If you want to understand the relationship between the three persons of the trinity Read the gospels, you won't ever understand it perfectly though because is a mystery thats beyond human faculties to decipher completely
Ok someone prove that god is real to me. Or just determine why your god out of thousands of gods is the right one.
AND faith is NOT a reliable path to the truth.
What is "proof?"
@@mattybla6274 evidence
@@alexanderkaiser89 What is "evidence" that you will accept?
@@mattybla6274 well evidence... why would you believe in an unproven myth/fairytale, convince me there is a god
@@alexanderkaiser89 What evidence? How will I be able to convince you unless you tell me what kind of evidence you will accept as absolute proof of the existence of God?