Top 10 Elegant Games
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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A video listing Rahdo's top 10 elegant games. Spoilers below...
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10. Adventure Land
09. Capital
08. Subdivision
07. Concordia
06. San Juan
05. Isle of Skye
04. Palaces of Carrara
03. Forbidden Desert
02. Railways of the World
01. Dominion
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Every time you mention how heavy the box is, I always think "Why doesn't he just pick up the lid?"
umm.... umm... i umm...
Box farts, probably :D
That's a very elegant idea!
I think rahdo will do this the next time Gloomhaven makes a list!
b/c hes lazy, cuts down two steps
Richard, look back about 3 years ago and I had little appreciation for your work but as I watch more and more sir, my respect grows, as does my appreciation for your craft. These videos are some of my favorites because you are sooo different than most reviewers taste and style wise.
For those fairly new to board games, this is a really good top 10 list. Can't go wrong with any of these. Such a good mix of both designers and game mechanics.
The only game I could think of that I was kinda surprised didn't make it (based on your run through) was Carcassonne: The Castle...maybe top 20 or so?
Agree on Concordia - your action each turn = play one card. That's it! Also I don't care what anyone says, the card actions and their title are clearly thematically linked.
Most Kramer & Kiesling games would qualify for elegance.
Surprised not to see Kashgar and Gold West, which alongside Concordia are some of the most elegant games I've played.
Targi, Theseus and Samurai (or another Knizia top game) would be shoutouts for a top 20.
I agree. Kramer/kiesling and Knizia are the kings of elegance.
Surprised there are no Feld games on the list! I thought Notre Dame or Castles of Burgundy were real contenders, the former for its simple, limited choice of actions resulting in spiraling consequences, the latter for all the complexities which come out of the simple action of using a die to take a tile, or using a die to place a tile. Still loved your list!
Still, a very solid list! I have not played all of the games on this list, but I enjoyed watching it, so thank you. I totally agree on what you said about # 7 #6 and #1. Great work.
I would add Patchworks - such a simple and beautiful game. And you actually make a quilt, doesn't get much more elegant than that! :P
rantsky I totally agree. Imo, one of Rosenberg's finest achievements to date.
Hey Richard I just want to express to you how much I enjoy your videos and how you have impacted me. Board gaming has brought my family and I so close and you have had an influence on that. I am very thankful for that. Thank you. (Btw Adventureland is an EXCELLENT game)
This is a really good list ... I don't think I've ever viewed a Top 10 where I agree with every game on the list. Nice job putting this together!
Great list Rahdo! I'm so sad Palaces of Carrara isn't more readily available...I've wanted to play it for years now 😢😢😢😢
Great list. For discussions sake only, I think Dixit deserves a place in this list. Other party games might as well, like Codenames, but, like most games involving words, it has some rough edges regarding the validity of some clues. Dixit has no such issue.
I find ORLEANS quite elegant... Not only for its actual appearance, but also due to its depth/weight ratio... The worker placement actions are so streamlined and easy to understand given the worker tracks... Very deep but also very easy to teach and play... Cheers
Hi Richard, may the force be with you.
Kingdom Builders and Oh My Goods! and Morels would be on my list. Maybe Onirim too, but that's a lot of shuffling.
Wess Foreman If shuffling were an issue, I don't think Dominion would be number 1 :p
Only game I expected, but was absent, was Castles of Burgundy. Because I believe you've described that as your favorite Feld, based on its elegance.
yup, one of the most elegant feld games, but not as elegant as any of these
What!!! No Castles of Burgundy...
You said on CoB final thoughts: "so smooth and elegant" ;)
MrTravolta7 CoB is fairly elegant but I think the science buildings and set up take it out of the top ten.
I've recently got it, and I fully agree. To have first game go, we just ignored science at all. And the next day, we didn't play it just because set up is killing.
With "Forbidden Desert', when you check BGG there's an endless list of questions with the rules of this game. I think that makes this game neither simple or elegant. Love your videos.
I dunno, I managed to play it with my father in law, and he's got Alzheimer's...
Hah! And I thought maybe it was just me who found FD confusing, but you're right, there are a lot of rules questions on BGG for it. Pandemic also has a lot of questions on BGG for it as do probably most popular games though. I wasn't too surprised when Rahdo explained why not Pandemic, but I did grok it faster than I did FD. I think in the end Rahdo might have been focusing more on the interesting (ingenious?) way that the sand moves in FD. Other than the sand movement, FD is a dud in my books.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks
Got my The Colonists couple days ago and did a test game today and I was really surprised how smooth the game play is if you do not try to plan too long ahead. Move piece 3 times and do resource conversions and hand to other player. Granted I did play only up to age two so I missed most of the upkeep requirements so those parts could bring up the fiddlyness at the end of every year.
I wish I had bought Palaces of Carrara when it was more affordable. Interesting insight about choosing Dominion as elegant, I wouldn't have thought that, but yes the streamlined nature is efficient beauty.
Nice list, a couple I hadn't seen before. Looks like more Runthroughs to watch!
I always mention Quantum to have besutifully designed mechanics. Dont know if that translates to elegance. Otherwise Evolution gets high on elegance for me. A game where mechanics are sprung from the theme, "simple" rules and components and very tactical.
I was definitely expecting Castles of Burgundy.... But this was a great list, and piqued my interest for a few new game possibilities.
Great list. I would add Orleans to it. Looks like a complicated Euro, but each turn is simple.
Every turn is simple and elegant, but MAN the setup of the game takes so long it loses elegant points for me.
Cool video. I am glad that Dominion is on the list - love that game
Surprised to see railways of the world so high on the list, as it's a three player game. Thought you only went for 2+ player games. Great video once again!
RotW mexico and europe maps are fantastic 2p experiences
"Ahh..bah-bye"... gotta love rahdo
Re. your point about Pandemic clunky movement rules. They seem clunky because they are specifically marked out as different types of movement in the rules. Making direct and charter distinct makes it all the more fiddly. If the rules said:
Drive/ Ferry: Move to a city connected by a white line.
Shuttle flight: Move from any research centre to another.
Charter flight: Discard a card matching either your current city, or intended destination, to move to that space.
That would be easier to explain.
No Santorini? That game is an elegant showpiece ; )
My No.1 would be Ra.
A player`s turn consists just two choices*: Pick a random tile out of a bag, or call an auction. That`s it. Within that simple framework though there are so many nerve-racking micro decisions to be made that make Ra one of the most tense and yes, elegant games out there.
* Technically there`s a third choice, but it`s a relatively rare one.
Nik Holliday Ra is one of the greatest games ever made. And yes, elegance at it's very best.
In Palaces Of Carrara, rotating the market wheel is not optional. If you take the 'buy' action, you must rotate the wheel clockwise by one section.
in the introductory rules, that's true, but full rules make it optional :)
I stand corrected!
I know that Rahdo doesn't like abstract games, but Go is still the game that I think is the most elegant.
I agree. Go is the quintessential elegant game in my mind. But is it nearly as much fun as a lot of other games? Not IMO. And as Rahdo noted, ranking the most elegant games ever would be a daunting, if not impossible, task. Ranking one's favourite elegant games is much easier.
You and Tom Vasel love Dominion. you should have a match! one on one.
So games with 1 or 2 choices each turn?
I'm a bit late to the party, but I'd add Kingdomino to this list, for similar reasons as some of the other tile laying games you mentioned, in addition to the variable play order.
for me "time masters" the most elegant and epic card game,pure fun
Hi Richard, I was sure to see Stefan Feld games in your top 10. I do agree with Concordia but maybe a bit higher but Dominion I just hate.
Another game I would consider a very elegant one is sitting behind you on your shelf: ROLL PLAYER.
This is a great list. I was going to make one of my own, but you have ruined it for me. 😉 Most of these would be in mine. Castles if Burgundy is the only glaring hole I can see. Thanks. This list was one of my favorites. I think I define Elegance for myself as a high ratio of decisions to rules overhead.
nice list, thanks for sharing with us
As far as I know you have to move the wheel in Carrara, don't have the game anymore and can't find the rules online, but I really think it was mendetory if you choose to buy stuff. You don't turn the wheel when you choose to do something else than buy stuff.
the basic rules require you turn the wheel. the advanced rules make it optional.
Agree with San Juan and Concordia. I'd add Hanabi. I'll give Capital a second look.
Richard -- no "Opulent" on the list?? The very name of it means "elegance!" Plus as I recall, you were referring it as such in your review, a great review which, by the way, led me to buy the game! Otherwise, great list!
the second you said dominion, I hit subscribe
Most of Burgundy is about as elegant as Dominion is, really. It's just the science that adds complexity.
That empty space above The Cave is really distracting haha
Interesting list. I've often wondered why Dominion isn't ABCD, - as the last thing we do is Draw a new hand of cards.
good point!
4:30 ok i can't bear the teasing anymore LOL i WANT THAT EXPANSION ... and can't find it.
Only Mac Gerdts games i have in my collection are Imperial and Imperial 2030. I have been thinking of Concordia. I have played it a few times and i rate it highly, but.. i think it's a bit dry.
Petteri Heino Dry doesn't even begin to describe it. I played it once and thought it was an absolute borefest.
I like the card mechanics in Concordia. The same kind of mechanic have been used now in the game called Assault Of The Giants, i have it but i havent been playing it yet.
San Juan has a second edition. any difference between the two? Which edition do you own?
Second edition adds the expansion buildings, which I believe is 39 or so more cards
I would add Ulm to this very elegant, smooth playing game.
carrara and forbidden desert are the only ones I know. Never grokked dominion.
For me the definiton of elegance in design is Terra Mystica - everythinbg is interconnected and have it's meaningful pros and cons (most or the time multiple), and while there is a lot going on it's pretty simple to learn yet provides deep gameplay with much meaningful options.
No Roll for the Galaxy?
I think it's a great game, but I'm not sure that any of the * for the Galaxy games could be called elegant. There's too much of a learning curve...
I think the military rules, the production phase, and consumption phase timing all take away from the "elegance" of Race. Roll might be a little more elegant, but I'm not sure how "elegant" dice placement is to me. Definitely streamlined from Race, though.
He did select San Juan. And yeah, it might be the simplest of the phase games, but I wouldn't say it's the most ingenious. Conversely, Roll is certainly not the simplest, nor is it probably the most ingenious, but I think it is fair to say Roll is the most elegant. Rahdo also ranks Roll #13 and SJ #47.
I guess when I think of elegance, I think of simplicity, but with hidden depth. Like Go. I think Concordia fits, too.
Roll doesn't fit that description (for me) because the dice placement and associated rules are just a tad fiddly - especially with the powers and the "dictate" rules. They definitely cleaned up the production and consumption phases from Race, though.
mostly agree.
oh, no Tash-Kalar?
I'm super late to this video but I have to ask as it is driving me crazy. what does your shirt say??
Gaming Rules :)
thank you!!! makes much more sense than the random things my husband and I were coming up with... sounded like we were playing Wheel of Fortune the whole episode.
cool subject
No Tokaido?
did not care for it
I love Tokaido for a nice zen experience though there's not much 'game' to it. I don't love it at 2p though really.
Watch marcowargamer's recent review, he explains very well how Tokaido is a lot deeper than it appears.
Talisman didn't make the list I see.
What about Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective? :)
hmm, i'm hesitant to call that an actual game. i would never want to play it competitively...
Time Stories? Elegant on several different levels (art, game-play, storytelling), also surprised SR:C wasn't on the list .
TS has too many special case rules for each campaign, and too often poor or incomplete translations leaves players guessing at how things are supposed to work.
Fair enough
The city of warsaw? Is it a game?
yes, called capital. i showed the box :)
bruh, pics.
Where is Eclipse?
On my shelf.
on jamfeo12's shelf
Hey rahdo, or anyone else reading this comment, can you suggest me some board games for me and my gf. The game needs to be somewhat decent difficulty, she is not great with english, and I need to explain her the rules but not overflooding her with informations that it ends up she just refuse to play it. Im ordering Alchemists and it's expansion, but looking forward to buy us more games.
Dimitrije Mirkovic Jaipur!
We've had success almost every time we've introduced people to Pandemic. It is cooperative games are always great gently bringing people into the hobby. You can adjust the difficulty level. And if you like it a lot, then you can get Pandemic Legacy.
Dimitrije Mirkovic patchwork, hanamikoji, castles of burgundy, biblios, matcha, roll for the galaxy, carcassonne the castle...all great (in my opinion) two player games :)
Sagrada
Metropolys, Hanamikoji, Isle of Trains, Junk Art, Mint Works
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