This is why I love Pog and Remco. No more boring, calculated racing that puts you to sleep faster than a lullaby. Thanks to them, I actually want to watch every stage instead of just using it as background noise for my naps! And watch out for the fireworks on the last TT stage-Remco's gunning for second place like it's a rocket launch!
0:01 Intro 3:30 - 8:17 Ad break, product promo 8:19 *Real* *Talk* *I* 19:35 - 23:37 Ad break, product promo 23:38 *Real* *Talk* *II* 31:42 Preview of tomorrow's Stage 18 37:12 Ventum trivia ------ 38:22 👉 *Special guest* *Michael* *White* (father of Magnus White, the young, up and coming cyclist who tragically lost his life in December, 2023) Stay safe, everyone. 🙏
@@LisztyLiszt It's BS. Competitors from big nations are always allowed to show off. It's normal. But how dares Tadej from a tiny country turn their worlds upside down! I listened to it my whole life. Jonas did the same last year or worse and he was praised. We Slavs are always pulled back and told to stay in line. Lance was hated by the whole peloton, so yes that's his experience.
He doesnt need to say anytjing about the sponsors. Just have the names on the screen with the coupon code, job done and it makes the podcast flow much better.
As Tadi Pogacar closes in on a TDF win he said. “Sometimes I don't know the reason why I attack - even me, I don't know anymore,” he said after the stage. “I guess I was just enjoying the climb, as it was steep and super nice, and I felt like attacking to test my legs into this third week and see if I could get a gap.”
the potential issue with the attack is that it may raise too many eyebrows over his freshness at the end of a TDF. a giro/tour double victory and to be attacking at the end of every stage? It’s not just a technological advancement in training and equipment. It goes without saying. People may suggest that he should have more humility in his performances by just not losing time and siting on Jonas wheel til the end.
@@danielmacdonald4005 Nah, the problem is he's from a tiny country and how dare he? That's the real problem here. When Jonas went full throttle with a good advantage already on the day Tadej completely cracked in 2023 Tour nobody questioned it. Jonas was a hero, even super human. It's a total hypocrisy. I'm from Slovenia. My whole life I had to listen to tone down, to think small, to follow, blah blah blah. Competitors from big countries are praised while we're always pulled back. Same ol story of Slavs.
As a jonas fan, it’s disheartening that every time that pogi attacks, you just see Jonas immediately look back for help. In previous years, he snapped to the wheel, not even leaving the saddle. Bravo to Tadej. He is so strong this year. And bravo to Jonas too. The level he is at post crash is potentially even more remarkable. And huge respect to Remco. I thought he would finish 6-9 in GC. But dude showed up in a big way.
@luiscolon921 true, but 2nd place among all these champions is not a tragedy. Hopefully, Jonas comes back for TDF 2025 at +100%. Everyone loves a comeback story. Tadej has come in 2nd place the last 2 years after getting 1st place the 2 years prior. Tadej was coming back from injury TDF 2023. ❤️ 🚴♂️
@@Nicoztrike @luiscolon921 great point I hadnt thought of. He definitely doesnt look as fit. Even his upper body somehow doesn't seem the same to me. Like him in his skinsuit last year on the tt was wild. I hope next year we can see both at max level. Like 24 Pogi vs 23 Jonas. And get Kuss back pls.
I think Lance is completely out of touch with this take on Pog attacking, fans love this, he’s showing power and strength in a way that most people have never seen, don’t forget that he got destroyed last year, some people are still giving Jonas a chance in this, he wants to show that he’s the best and as a fan it’s great to see that.
Vingegaard is obviously not at his best this tour. It's becoming more and more obvious. Jonas is gonna improve and hit alien numbers as well, but it's not gonna be this tour, not in form to push to new heights. He gave us a taste at last year's TT of things to come.
@@joeterzio7175And Jonas somehow makes a miraculous unheard of unnatural recovery to put out his best numbers in short amount of time but that's not suspicious at all of course right? Lol
@@mikeytek Why is it that all Pogacar fanboys have to come back with Jonas? Did I mention Jonas? I believe both are cheats. You think the sport suddenly got clean? Come on, grow some brains. It's as dirty as it ever was with the top guys.
Don’t you understand cycling at all? He’s got everything to lose, he’s in yellow. One minor mistake on that downhill while trying to gain a few seconds and that could have been race over. If he really must attack then save it for the final climb but I agree with Lance that if he keeps making everyone look like fools then the day that he needs help he won’t get it. The other stupid thing about the attack was that you couldn’t even say that it was for the stage win because Carapaz was kilometres up the road by then
The difference is Lance was a AH back in the day when he was on top! Pogi is nice guy and most like him even when he is on TOP!! can you step back and see the difference??
Lance seems to think he was unpopular in the peleton because he always won.. what a joke - he was very unpopular because of his arrogance and the way he treated and intimidated people.. Tadej is a totally different personality..
People who thought Vingegaard had a chance this Tour I can only describe as crazy. Vingegaard’s accident, Visma’s weakness, Pogačar’s very « easy » Giro, Pogačar’s 80km attack on that Strade Bianche stage all said otherwise. The fact that Vingegaard is even in the talk to podium is amazing. But he never had a chance of winning this Tour.
Pog and remco discussing a lot at cool downs post race. Seems like a good future friendship. Remco giving a lot of credit to pog early in the stages and now may be a two headed dragon vs jonas
It was an accident. This guy possess a terrorist mentality. Frothing at the mouth. He’s so full of hate, resentment and vengeance. There are no deterrents to an accident such as this
TY for this interview. It was really intense and hard to watch at times, but I learned a lot. My heart hurts for the family. I signed up for the virtual ride! I can’t donate at this time, but wanted to show solidarity and support for their important work. Stay safe out there.
My theory is that Pogacar attacked to help his buddy Remco attack Jonas. I believe we will see the same thing happen each stage to narrow the gap between Jonas and Remco..
@@Pipe_JL he’s talking about remco and vinge… vinge looks cooked. if remco takes another 20 or even 30 seconds in the stages prior to tt, that would most likely be enough for him to take 2nd place
The TDF caravan starts with a red race director car, followed by the riders in the peloton, followed by the directors in the vehicles and finally comes the circus on four wheels, dedicated to promo. On the WEDU channel, the caravan runs in reverse order :) I like this classic WEDO edition. Pog wears Jonas down with attacks, even if he doesn't end up gaining significant time, it will leave Jonas driving over his limit for the third day in a row, making him all the more vulnerable today. Jonas can crack today, otherwise tomorrow, TT will be a disaster for him, if Tadej will continue attacking. Tadej learns a lot on this TDF, he improves different attracting strategies and most importantly, he learned how to ride defensively. He didn't follow Remco's attack, that was probably a mistake, he would gain much more time and Remco also, but he shows that he can control his attacking instinct at least for a while :). The only thing for him to pay attention to is to always, always have gel with him, to make a separation when attacking and go into defensive when Jonas catches him. The last thing to consider for him is what others are thinking. He is a fair play racer, any one knows that, riders who need to take care of politics in the peloton are not fair play riders at all, they are scammers. Fuck the politics, the show must go on!
Wow, what a great show. I just discovered this podcast this week, and I'm loving it! I was a HUGE Lance fan, back-in-the-day, (even went to see him live at the Nike store in NYC) until I got my heart broken... And George...? I actually saw him race in the Tour of Summerville, NJ back in the early 90's! Have been a fan since.. Great show... not just the race but important information and awareness for ALL of us cyclist. Thank you for shining a spotlight on the tragedy of Magnus White; I will definitely be supporting this cause. I myself was almost killed while out for a ride when I was collected by a jack-ass who decided to run a stop sign when I had the right-of-way on a 35 mph downhill. Keep up the good work and you have a new subscriber.
Just hating on Pogacar! Why not give credit to him? Jonas is not at Pogi's level. He came because he thought he could win. In one stage last year Primoz and Jonas humiliated or rather teased him when Pogi had no team to help with their constant attacks. Get over it Lance and George!!!
Jonas also spanked him on stage 18 that same year when Primoz had already left the race. Not to mention he also beat him on the TT as well in that same year. Pogi is showing off on a less than optimal Jonas with zero climbers to support him.
It was George and JB talking smack and today, tho you might disagree with his reasoning and his right to comment on the image control factor, LA is at least speaking from genuine concern.
@@philipandersen294 tell me you don t know anything about cycling, jonas did the best performance of his life on sunday and pogi put a minute into him, how do people keep pushing this narrative
The lack of power, we see from Jonas, has so much to do with the low muscle mass. Becouse of the crash, he was benched in almost 3 weeks, and lost a lot of muscle mass there. That´s what missing out, at them moment, and we all see that unfold in these days. But i do belive, he´s gonna keep that second podie place. Btw, Lance´s view on Pogacar´s attack, was perhaps the most wisely advice i ever heard. Tip top my hat there. Cheers from Denmark and have a nice Tour.
His way of riding is the way we've been seeing the last few years, sometimes even if doesn't need to win more time, he can't ride differently from the way he has been doing, that's one reason why so many people love to see him ride!
Everyones pouncing on Pogacars behavior.Did Eddie Mercx hold back??? Hell no.I am old enough to remember him crushing and pulverizing the competition and applauded for it.
I believe Lance is talking not only about destroying the field but about the haters and clean doubters in the media, come on, Poggy erased Armstrong and Pantani's records for 2 minutes ..based on nutrition, trainning and equipment? (the same they said in US POSTAL times back then!) 🤔🤔
@@Montoya4ever1960It's a quarter of a century(!) gone by since Lance, since Pantani even more. Just a reminder: gsm's were the hot shit, noone even dreamt of smartphones, Facebook didn't even exist, the first ipod generations were brand-new. I mean, in Pantanis days Michael Jordan won the Bulls' second three peat. Just imagine what computers, printers, notebooks etc etc looked like. USB connections were just yet evolved. That's 'Pogačar didn't even exist'-long ago. So, yes, training, nutrition etc have improved massively since then. It's almost like Lance & George were coming from the cave back then.
Maybe the problem is Jonas should be riding at Pogacar speed instead of criticizing Pogacar for not riding at Jonas' speed. UAE were criticized on stage 11 for pushing the tempo, but now you can see they've damaged and cracked the entire tour.
Why? Because he feels good, he could gain more time, he likes racing+ winning, he trained so much to be at this shape, he suffered last 2 years without being in topshape and now he can pay the suffer back to Vingo, his team is finally top- thanks to his team...and finally because he is the goat Tadej!!😊😊
@@cyclismclub6778 he missed the altitude preparations with a broken wrist.. funny you seem to disregard this fact as a kind of hater or something… come back when Jonas wins Flanders 😘
@@7164G Hater? Its funny when people get that offended that they start throwing names around. Don't get it twisted. I just think a 100% washes your Boy at the tour. And the last 2 years showed as much. I speak facts, you speak fanboism
How can i participate virtually, In 2014, I was hit by a car while training (in Rocl Creek Park on an early January morning in DC) and my life has never been the same. Part of my hip was crushed. I live in Asheville now and lived in Greenville, SC for a time. BTW, George is a bonafide man of the people as he would alsways smile or wave somehow whenever i rode by him on local hills. He offered helo one day when I as walking up a hill! My heart breaks for this family. I will join virtually. Thank you SO SO much for this focus today! IT means so much. I have tears in my eyes. Love you guys, Soraya
Hearing Lance Armstrong (of all people) cheekily casting aspersions on Pogi is just ridiculous and uncalled for especially from him. Turned me off the rest of the podcast!
Pogacar is building a huge brand for himself by cycling entertaining and exciting. I never watched the Tour de France fully and this is the first one I completely followed.
My heart goes out to Michael White and the White Family. I can only imagine what they are going through. Its very admirable they have the foundation setup not even within a year and are able to focus some energy on advocacy and change. I wont be there in person, but I will ride for Magnus on the 11th.
Where is your “Jonas will be the best in third week” talk now? From the start everyone was saying that he will crush Pogi. Even 1 week ago after stage 11 you said that Pogi will be behind Jonas.
Thanks for sharing Magnus’s story. Cities should be the one’s sued for traffic deaths for allowing the ridiculous road designs that are so dangerous. That’s a great organization. Thanks for sharing this Lance and the boys!
Lance makes a great point about the political factors that Tadej needs to watch out for. And he knows it. Notice him put out his hand to Jonas immediately after losing an all-out sprint to him. He knew that was on TV. He's been chummy with both Jonas and Remco with the cameras rolling throughout the Tour. UAE's behind-the-scenes videos are slick and clever PR that make them look like the gang on Cheers or Friends. His trouble is his need to win every race every time.
No. The reason Lance was such a huge motivation to all around the world was precisely because it was so cool to see someone ruthless and hungry to show who's boss, his thirst to win, and his power to press the pedal at will. I think the reason people don't warm more to Jonas is because he seems more of a wheel sucker and less ruthless. Pogacar has shades of Lance in him.
As a Dane, love is towards Jonas. But It is cool to see two people with almost the same output. Senna/Prost vibes. Tadej is super talent on form, Jonas draws his power from love. So Tadej starting to listen to the pro and doing what they said. He is a knucklehead and needs to be told twice. Tagej has youth, instinct and pure power. Jonas is lagging the pure gt and turning off the love. Somebody needs to tell Jonas what he is doing and how wild it is. Military camp for Jonas and he would be closer to Tadej. Imagine Jonas with a Cavendish attitude, he would be a different weapon. Military coach for Jonas would do wonders but it has a price.
Hey guys as the best analyst in commentary I earned the right to explain what happened today. He helped Remco beat Jonas. I think he is gonna do this everyday to try and make him lose the 2nd spot. This my prediction. Tadej and Remco have made a pack.
I understand Lance when he says the attack wasn't necessary and that it might feed suspicion towards his performances. However, if he's clean it doesn't really matter, does it? Journalists and the public can think whatever they want, since it would be impossible to find anything if doesn't do anything illegal. I ride granfondos in Europe and I have to admit it's just very very nice to smash it on a climb when you feel strong, whether it's on training or in a race. Since it was a rather short effort, it's not going to hurt him anyway...
No, Pogacar didn't need to attack at the end. But with regards to the "politics" that Lance talks about, Pogacar is beloved by media and the fans and most of the peloton. That's a stark contrast to Lance when he had to politic.
Pog loves to ride that is why he is attacking even if he doesnt have to. I agree that it is not tactically optimal but I also think that it is why he is on another level. Because he is still pushing himself even in a situation like this.
There is a 5km climb at a 5% grade in my riding circuit which I have a love/hate relationship with. It's not too long, but by the 3rd pass, it's a pain... The descent makes it all worth the suffering.
When Jonas blew Tadej off the mountain last year on a stage and then beat him mercilessly during the TT no one told him to stood or slow down. Come on Lance!
But both were in top form and were able to go toe to toe. Jonas recently broke his clavicle, had to have surgery after a wreck. Also a Pneumothorax. Devastating injury
They weren’t both in top form. Tadej missed a chuck of time training after breaking his wrist in Liege. It was incredible that he showed up with the shape he had.
The masseur from Ineos Grenadiers, Marko Dzalo, told the Slovenian media that they got the data from Jonas' training before the TdF and the numbers were better than last year. Yes, better than last year. Tadej's numbers this year are fantastic... Johan Bryuneel also talked about them. So can someone tell me wtf Armstrong, Hincapie and Wiggens (he doesn't deserve to be called "Sir") what were they talking about? They keep hitting and pouding down on Pogi. WHY? Why all that hatred against him? Real cycling fans are not stupid and they know that two old school american doped cyclists are just BS. They just can't accept the fact that they are probably watching the GOAT of cycling-TADEJ POGACAR. I guess that hurts Amrstrong & Co.
They are haters! Giving Jonas all the excuses and not acknowledging the accomplishments of Pogi! Pogacar has a better team, appears a more mature rider, and Jonas can mot match him this season.They act like Pogi doesnt have 2 tdf wins already! Their bias is a turnoff!!!
I have been avoiding spending time with LA podcast because..well nothing has changed with this guy. He is a narcissist and a damaged human being that has never apologized to Greg LeMonde or dozens of others he harmed.
I have been avoiding spending time with LA podcast because..well nothing has changed with this guy. He is a narcissist and a damaged human being that has never apologized to Greg LeMonde or dozens of others he harmed.
so finally we got the answer. There's no such thing is "Jonas will get better." like the internet were saying. Lack of preparation = lack of preparation. Jonas is showing the same thing as Tadej last year. That's a correct logic. Jonas is not an alien, he isn't immune from lack of condition just like any human.
Racers gonna race. If Vin Gogo doesn't like it he can pass him. All we heard from all the Vinnie PR groupies is how strong he is yet he isn't. Don't think anyone saw Pogi in the Giro.
Lance, i have been using Speedplay pedals since 1997, after struggling with different brands of plastic pedals, having troubles clipping in and out. Speedplay is the only way to go for me. 😎 👍
As a casual observer who knows nothing about bike racing, but love watching the TDF, my first reaction to Pogi attacking was "what a douche move". He should consider the fact that so many people are following Jonas' heroic comeback and it seemed like he was kicking the dog, especially when there is no reason to do it
I disagree - it's a race, and they are professional athletes at the highest level. They want to win. Now, as far as tactics go, it might not be the best, but it's not a douche move.
It s the nature of his beast, he likes to take risks and attack. Remco is the same way. Most people who really like watching cycling, like to watch those kinds of athletes and races.
We all love an underdog, but this is a brutal, ruthless competition. As Lance always says, "no gifts." He gave a win on Mont Ventoux to Pantani once and he's said many times it was a huge mistake. My heart aches for Jonas, but caring about what people think about his comeback shouldn't enter Pogi's mind when he's on a climb.
I’m all for helping those that need asylum. However, every citizen, every person residing in this country is responsible for their actions. There are vets with PTSD, any number of people with traumatic stories. Someone living in NYC homeless would never receive support to be moved to Boulder. It is a privilege to live there. Most of us citizens cannot afford it. Realize what you have regardless of where you’ve come from, and be a responsible human.
The people will ask questions regardless of actions on the road. Pogacar does his thing in the last 10% of the stage, his efforts are all measured 15, 20, 30 or 40min efforts and there's only one per stage.
Did Jonas have a bad day or is it that the crash and the preparations for the tour are now taking their toll and Jonas can't recover as he could in the past years? Could it be a false flag and would provoke Pogi to use unnecessary effort with the two hard mountain stages in mind. I think Jonas is not 100% to compete with Pogi and his recovery in this tour is going as planed.
Of course he could follow Remco. He does only that to make Jonas mad. He wants Jonas to be third and Remco is an ally in this Tour. Only in this tour. Don't u see they're playing against Jonas?
To say this was locked up with a 3 minute lead and two of the biggest mountain stages left and a TT is a bit of a stretch, and definitely not comparable to a 10 minute lead…
I ride in the opposite direction, against traffic. This way you can tell if a driver coming against you has noticed you and be ready to go into the ditch. Can't trust them.
The difference between Lance and Pogi is Pogi is well liked and has an accessible and relatable personality. Lance was always arrogant with an off putting I’m better than you attitude. It was that personality more than his attacks on the road that turned the tide against him.
What Lance is saying to me is: Bro, you're juicing, you're winning... Don't go doing more massive attacks that highlight the fact you're juiced. Just win and do it modestly and you will get away with it. If you keep attacking like that like I did you will get caught!
I think he maybe talked with Remco to try to get jonas in third, cause when Remco attacks he does not follow un purpose to let jonas take his wheel? So I do you think they kind of "planned" that? #wedu
Pogačar is the antithesis of Jonas. He is not a calculative guy. He is not quiet about his intentions. He does not hide around his team mates. What else can you want from a protagonist and a face of the sport? Mind you guys, he lost the last 2 TDFs. It takes balls to race like that. End of story
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This is why I love Pog and Remco. No more boring, calculated racing that puts you to sleep faster than a lullaby. Thanks to them, I actually want to watch every stage instead of just using it as background noise for my naps! And watch out for the fireworks on the last TT stage-Remco's gunning for second place like it's a rocket launch!
"Background noise for my naps"....ouch! Hope the guys out there riding the TDF don't see this.😂😂
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8:19 *Real* *Talk* *I*
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31:42 Preview of tomorrow's Stage 18
37:12 Ventum trivia
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38:22 👉 *Special guest* *Michael* *White* (father of Magnus White, the young, up and coming cyclist who tragically lost his life in December, 2023)
Stay safe, everyone. 🙏
25:14 is the most extraordinary thing I've heard in any sporting podcast. I had to listen to it twice. Unbelievable.
@@LisztyLiszt It's BS. Competitors from big nations are always allowed to show off. It's normal. But how dares Tadej from a tiny country turn their worlds upside down! I listened to it my whole life. Jonas did the same last year or worse and he was praised. We Slavs are always pulled back and told to stay in line. Lance was hated by the whole peloton, so yes that's his experience.
@@jacquesdemolay5171 I'm more talking about the stuff re doing.
The best thing about this show is that Lance puts his glasses on to read promotions so we know when to speed the video :)
Great show btw!!
I think Lance puts on his readers to remind us he is getting older 😂
Fuk me that's funny😂😂😂😂
Pro tip
And the big graphics. My finger is on left arrow all the way, saving up to 50% of my time.
He doesnt need to say anytjing about the sponsors. Just have the names on the screen with the coupon code, job done and it makes the podcast flow much better.
Thank you for having Michael White on. What a beautiful interview - very brave of him to share and talk about a heartbreaking story.
As Tadi Pogacar closes in on a TDF win he said. “Sometimes I don't know the reason why I attack - even me, I don't know anymore,” he said after the stage. “I guess I was just enjoying the climb, as it was steep and super nice, and I felt like attacking to test my legs into this third week and see if I could get a gap.”
Tadej - this kid just loves to ride ❤ 🚴♂️
“ We might as well win “ 😮
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the potential issue with the attack is that it may raise too many eyebrows over his freshness at the end of a TDF. a giro/tour double victory and to be attacking at the end of every stage? It’s not just a technological advancement in training and equipment. It goes without saying. People may suggest that he should have more humility in his performances by just not losing time and siting on Jonas wheel til the end.
@@danielmacdonald4005 Nah, the problem is he's from a tiny country and how dare he? That's the real problem here. When Jonas went full throttle with a good advantage already on the day Tadej completely cracked in 2023 Tour nobody questioned it. Jonas was a hero, even super human. It's a total hypocrisy. I'm from Slovenia. My whole life I had to listen to tone down, to think small, to follow, blah blah blah. Competitors from big countries are praised while we're always pulled back. Same ol story of Slavs.
Beautiful hearing from Magnus’ dad and what the family is doing for road safety, sending all my love. ❤️🔥
As a jonas fan, it’s disheartening that every time that pogi attacks, you just see Jonas immediately look back for help. In previous years, he snapped to the wheel, not even leaving the saddle. Bravo to Tadej. He is so strong this year. And bravo to Jonas too. The level he is at post crash is potentially even more remarkable. And huge respect to Remco. I thought he would finish 6-9 in GC. But dude showed up in a big way.
Jonas lost significant muscle mass in his legs. It has impacted his ability to get on the wheel with a burst.
@@luiscolon921yep . Also that's why he does his highest watts pr kg this year. Because he is lighter. So he is actually doing less total watts .
@luiscolon921 true, but 2nd place among all these champions is not a tragedy. Hopefully, Jonas comes back for TDF 2025 at +100%. Everyone loves a comeback story. Tadej has come in 2nd place the last 2 years after getting 1st place the 2 years prior. Tadej was coming back from injury TDF 2023. ❤️ 🚴♂️
@@Nicoztrike @luiscolon921 great point I hadnt thought of. He definitely doesnt look as fit. Even his upper body somehow doesn't seem the same to me. Like him in his skinsuit last year on the tt was wild. I hope next year we can see both at max level. Like 24 Pogi vs 23 Jonas. And get Kuss back pls.
2025 TDF is going to be insane. Jonas is going to be obsessed on returning as the champion.
Great to see Johan back on the main podium ( 7 )
I think Lance is completely out of touch with this take on Pog attacking, fans love this, he’s showing power and strength in a way that most people have never seen, don’t forget that he got destroyed last year, some people are still giving Jonas a chance in this, he wants to show that he’s the best and as a fan it’s great to see that.
Think a lot of questions are being asked about these mutant performances on heavier bikes with disk brakes.
Pogacar can't still believe he can drop Vingegaard at will, and he likes the feeling.
He did twice today with ease
Vingegaard is obviously not at his best this tour. It's becoming more and more obvious. Jonas is gonna improve and hit alien numbers as well, but it's not gonna be this tour, not in form to push to new heights. He gave us a taste at last year's TT of things to come.
Really....😂😂😂
He's still attacking because he enjoys his cycling and is having fun.
He attacks because he's cheating.
@@joeterzio7175well said definitely doing the gear
@@joeterzio7175And Jonas somehow makes a miraculous unheard of unnatural recovery to put out his best numbers in short amount of time but that's not suspicious at all of course right? Lol
@@mikeytek Why is it that all Pogacar fanboys have to come back with Jonas? Did I mention Jonas? I believe both are cheats. You think the sport suddenly got clean? Come on, grow some brains. It's as dirty as it ever was with the top guys.
@@joeterzio7175cheating? how? whats the cheatcode please enlighten us
It’s a beautiful thing hearing Johan say “Carapaz”
I love Johan 😍
He is attacking because he is bored and with only few km left! lets have some fun and nothing to lose!
Nothing to lose?
Don’t you understand cycling at all? He’s got everything to lose, he’s in yellow. One minor mistake on that downhill while trying to gain a few seconds and that could have been race over. If he really must attack then save it for the final climb but I agree with Lance that if he keeps making everyone look like fools then the day that he needs help he won’t get it. The other stupid thing about the attack was that you couldn’t even say that it was for the stage win because Carapaz was kilometres up the road by then
The difference is Lance was a AH back in the day when he was on top! Pogi is nice guy and most like him even when he is on TOP!! can you step back and see the difference??
Lance seems to think he was unpopular in the peleton because he always won.. what a joke - he was very unpopular because of his arrogance and the way he treated and intimidated people.. Tadej is a totally different personality..
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@@LadyBird-n2t exactly 👏👏👏👌👌👌
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Well said. The badger was the same way
He knows
TheTour de France is a race. Pog is racing.End of discussion
Ur not listening
@@Slowmotion21613 i can hear a disgraced narcissist try to manufacture a narrative out of thin air for sure
@@greendog624 That is the voice inside your head.
Listen again to that part of the show please
Pog racing as an idiot
People who thought Vingegaard had a chance this Tour I can only describe as crazy. Vingegaard’s accident, Visma’s weakness, Pogačar’s very « easy » Giro, Pogačar’s 80km attack on that Strade Bianche stage all said otherwise. The fact that Vingegaard is even in the talk to podium is amazing. But he never had a chance of winning this Tour.
Pog and remco discussing a lot at cool downs post race. Seems like a good future friendship. Remco giving a lot of credit to pog early in the stages and now may be a two headed dragon vs jonas
Looks like he is going to be happy being 2nd or 3rd all his life !
Michael was close to crying several times during this. May God give him strength through this most difficult of times.
It was an accident. This guy possess a terrorist mentality. Frothing at the mouth. He’s so full of hate, resentment and vengeance. There are no deterrents to an accident such as this
TY for this interview. It was really intense and hard to watch at times, but I learned a lot. My heart hurts for the family.
I signed up for the virtual ride! I can’t donate at this time, but wanted to show solidarity and support for their important work. Stay safe out there.
I'd been thinking the same thing about what Lance said about Carapaz. Glad George replayed that clip.
My theory is that Pogacar attacked to help his buddy Remco attack Jonas. I believe we will see the same thing happen each stage to narrow the gap between Jonas and Remco..
Then the TT will be a day to watch..how much time could he take?
@@stratdocWho? Tadej will win TT.
@@Pipe_JL he’s talking about remco and vinge… vinge looks cooked. if remco takes another 20 or even 30 seconds in the stages prior to tt, that would most likely be enough for him to take 2nd place
totally agree. after the stage even vinge said he thought pog would follow remco and didn’t want to. so vinge then decided to wait for his teammates
The TDF caravan starts with a red race director car, followed by the riders in the peloton, followed by the directors in the vehicles and finally comes the circus on four wheels, dedicated to promo. On the WEDU channel, the caravan runs in reverse order :) I like this classic WEDO edition.
Pog wears Jonas down with attacks, even if he doesn't end up gaining significant time, it will leave Jonas driving over his limit for the third day in a row, making him all the more vulnerable today. Jonas can crack today, otherwise tomorrow, TT will be a disaster for him, if Tadej will continue attacking. Tadej learns a lot on this TDF, he improves different attracting strategies and most importantly, he learned how to ride defensively. He didn't follow Remco's attack, that was probably a mistake, he would gain much more time and Remco also, but he shows that he can control his attacking instinct at least for a while :). The only thing for him to pay attention to is to always, always have gel with him, to make a separation when attacking and go into defensive when Jonas catches him. The last thing to consider for him is what others are thinking. He is a fair play racer, any one knows that, riders who need to take care of politics in the peloton are not fair play riders at all, they are scammers. Fuck the politics, the show must go on!
Wow, what a great show. I just discovered this podcast this week, and I'm loving it!
I was a HUGE Lance fan, back-in-the-day, (even went to see him live at the Nike store in NYC) until I got my heart broken...
And George...? I actually saw him race in the Tour of Summerville, NJ back in the early 90's! Have been a fan since..
Great show... not just the race but important information and awareness for ALL of us cyclist. Thank you for shining a spotlight on the tragedy of Magnus White; I will definitely be supporting this cause.
I myself was almost killed while out for a ride when I was collected by a jack-ass who decided to run a stop sign when I had the right-of-way on a 35 mph downhill.
Keep up the good work and you have a new subscriber.
Pogacar is like a puppy, boundless energy and enthusiasm. He will mellow but it’s great spectator sport
He is having fun and it’s good for the sports.. no one wanna see a boring gc.. we the spectators love it
It is precisely because of his driving style that people love Tadej so much 🥰
Just hating on Pogacar! Why not give credit to him? Jonas is not at Pogi's level. He came because he thought he could win. In one stage last year Primoz and Jonas humiliated or rather teased him when Pogi had no team to help with their constant attacks. Get over it Lance and George!!!
And why is he not in Pogi lever this year? Hmmmm 🤔🙄
Jonas also spanked him on stage 18 that same year when Primoz had already left the race. Not to mention he also beat him on the TT as well in that same year. Pogi is showing off on a less than optimal Jonas with zero climbers to support him.
You mean 2 years ago . Roglic didn't do the tour last year . Only Jonas
2 years ago
It was George and JB talking smack and today, tho you might disagree with his reasoning and his right to comment on the image control factor, LA is at least speaking from genuine concern.
Stop bashing Pogacar guys
Why? He lost the last two years because of this🤷🏻♂️ if jonas was 100% bye bye again because he goes likes this.
@@philipandersen294 nah, Pogacar is stronger this year than he was the last two years.
@@philipandersen294 Pogacar is stronger this year and LAB have a weaker team.
@@philipandersen294 tell me you don t know anything about cycling, jonas did the best performance of his life on sunday and pogi put a minute into him, how do people keep pushing this narrative
@@philipandersen294jonas is on 110% 😂😂😂😂
The lack of power, we see from Jonas, has so much to do with the low muscle mass. Becouse of the crash, he was benched in almost 3 weeks, and lost a lot of muscle mass there. That´s what missing out, at them moment, and we all see that unfold in these days. But i do belive, he´s gonna keep that second podie place. Btw, Lance´s view on Pogacar´s attack, was perhaps the most wisely advice i ever heard. Tip top my hat there. Cheers from Denmark and have a nice Tour.
His way of riding is the way we've been seeing the last few years, sometimes even if doesn't need to win more time, he can't ride differently from the way he has been doing, that's one reason why so many people love to see him ride!
Everyones pouncing on Pogacars behavior.Did Eddie Mercx hold back??? Hell no.I am old enough to remember him crushing and pulverizing the competition and applauded for it.
I believe Lance is talking not only about destroying the field but about the haters and clean doubters in the media, come on, Poggy erased Armstrong and Pantani's records for 2 minutes ..based on nutrition, trainning and equipment? (the same they said in US POSTAL times back then!) 🤔🤔
So, the best advise is don't do any super natural move, just ride to Nice
@@Montoya4ever1960It's a quarter of a century(!) gone by since Lance, since Pantani even more.
Just a reminder: gsm's were the hot shit, noone even dreamt of smartphones, Facebook didn't even exist, the first ipod generations were brand-new.
I mean, in Pantanis days Michael Jordan won the Bulls' second three peat. Just imagine what computers, printers, notebooks etc etc looked like. USB connections were just yet evolved.
That's 'Pogačar didn't even exist'-long ago.
So, yes, training, nutrition etc have improved massively since then.
It's almost like Lance & George were coming from the cave back then.
Maybe the problem is Jonas should be riding at Pogacar speed instead of criticizing Pogacar for not riding at Jonas' speed. UAE were criticized on stage 11 for pushing the tempo, but now you can see they've damaged and cracked the entire tour.
Why? Because he feels good, he could gain more time, he likes racing+ winning, he trained so much to be at this shape, he suffered last 2 years without being in topshape and now he can pay the suffer back to Vingo, his team is finally top- thanks to his team...and finally because he is the goat Tadej!!😊😊
In 2022, he was in top shape, just Lost to the better man. In 2023, got outgunned. This year he s benifitting from vingegaard s crash
@@cyclismclub6778 so Pog wasn't injured last year? :)
@@7164G Tip top shape for 2 weeks, wanna compare injuries fella?
@@cyclismclub6778 he missed the altitude preparations with a broken wrist.. funny you seem to disregard this fact as a kind of hater or something… come back when Jonas wins Flanders 😘
@@7164G Hater? Its funny when people get that offended that they start throwing names around. Don't get it twisted. I just think a 100% washes your Boy at the tour. And the last 2 years showed as much. I speak facts, you speak fanboism
How can i participate virtually, In 2014, I was hit by a car while training (in Rocl Creek Park on an early January morning in DC) and my life has never been the same. Part of my hip was crushed. I live in Asheville now and lived in Greenville, SC for a time. BTW, George is a bonafide man of the people as he would alsways smile or wave somehow whenever i rode by him on local hills. He offered helo one day when I as walking up a hill! My heart breaks for this family. I will join virtually. Thank you SO SO much for this focus today! IT means so much. I have tears in my eyes. Love you guys, Soraya
Hearing Lance Armstrong (of all people) cheekily casting aspersions on Pogi is just ridiculous and uncalled for especially from him. Turned me off the rest of the podcast!
He didn’t lie. Quit crying
I regularly ride on the road where Magnus was killed. I always think of him now when I go through there.
After today, what do you think the folks in Ecuador who decided against sending Carapaz to the Olympics are thinking?
That makes no sense, especially since Carapaz is the defending gold medalist. Those decision makers are knuckleheads.
Awesome episode on a relatively quiet day… love hearing the inside baseball analysis
Pogacar is building a huge brand for himself by cycling entertaining and exciting.
I never watched the Tour de France fully and this is the first one I completely followed.
pog different from these boring gc riders always playing it safe
My heart goes out to Michael White and the White Family. I can only imagine what they are going through. Its very admirable they have the foundation setup not even within a year and are able to focus some energy on advocacy and change. I wont be there in person, but I will ride for Magnus on the 11th.
Where is your “Jonas will be the best in third week” talk now? From the start everyone was saying that he will crush Pogi. Even 1 week ago after stage 11 you said that Pogi will be behind Jonas.
I agree. Pog should cool his heels. No reason to lose friends in the peloton and fuel animosity.
Thanks for sharing Magnus’s story. Cities should be the one’s sued for traffic deaths for allowing the ridiculous road designs that are so dangerous. That’s a great organization. Thanks for sharing this Lance and the boys!
Lance said precisely the same about jonas on la loze last year when he attacked after pog got dropped
Lance makes a great point about the political factors that Tadej needs to watch out for. And he knows it. Notice him put out his hand to Jonas immediately after losing an all-out sprint to him. He knew that was on TV. He's been chummy with both Jonas and Remco with the cameras rolling throughout the Tour. UAE's behind-the-scenes videos are slick and clever PR that make them look like the gang on Cheers or Friends. His trouble is his need to win every race every time.
No. The reason Lance was such a huge motivation to all around the world was precisely because it was so cool to see someone ruthless and hungry to show who's boss, his thirst to win, and his power to press the pedal at will. I think the reason people don't warm more to Jonas is because he seems more of a wheel sucker and less ruthless. Pogacar has shades of Lance in him.
Bigger question is why is Vinny chasing him? Vinny needs to focus on Remco and 2nd place ! 1st place is gone!
Jonas is defending second. So any acceleration saves seconds over Remco. Plus the time bonus for second is bigger than third
Jonas has tremendous power ratings.Pogacar is simply superior.Jonas in full health still doesnt beat Pogacar in this insane shape.
Misinformation
😂😂😂😂 ok😂😂😂
Because its fun. The guy loves to race.
I am baffled by how many people are offended by that.
As a Dane, love is towards Jonas. But It is cool to see two people with almost the same output. Senna/Prost vibes. Tadej is super talent on form, Jonas draws his power from love. So Tadej starting to listen to the pro and doing what they said. He is a knucklehead and needs to be told twice. Tagej has youth, instinct and pure power. Jonas is lagging the pure gt and turning off the love. Somebody needs to tell Jonas what he is doing and how wild it is. Military camp for Jonas and he would be closer to Tadej. Imagine Jonas with a Cavendish attitude, he would be a different weapon. Military coach for Jonas would do wonders but it has a price.
Happy to C BINI come back...❤....
Bini!!! 💚
Hey guys as the best analyst in commentary I earned the right to explain what happened today. He helped Remco beat Jonas. I think he is gonna do this everyday to try and make him lose the 2nd spot. This my prediction. Tadej and Remco have made a pack.
Go to 8:20
Thanks again 🍺
I understand Lance when he says the attack wasn't necessary and that it might feed suspicion towards his performances. However, if he's clean it doesn't really matter, does it? Journalists and the public can think whatever they want, since it would be impossible to find anything if doesn't do anything illegal. I ride granfondos in Europe and I have to admit it's just very very nice to smash it on a climb when you feel strong, whether it's on training or in a race. Since it was a rather short effort, it's not going to hurt him anyway...
I love my bike lanes in NYC. In Brooklyn and Manhattan especially. Protected bike lanes are the BEST!!!
No, Pogacar didn't need to attack at the end. But with regards to the "politics" that Lance talks about, Pogacar is beloved by media and the fans and most of the peloton. That's a stark contrast to Lance when he had to politic.
RIP Magnus 🙏❤️
It's not about racing and politics. its about racing and entertainment of us, spectators.
Just saw Lance and George in gym video, looks cool, do more😮
Great episode
Pog loves to ride that is why he is attacking even if he doesnt have to. I agree that it is not tactically optimal but I also think that it is why he is on another level. Because he is still pushing himself even in a situation like this.
I can't stand 5-6% climbs that never end. I'll take 10-12% that end sooner any day!!
There is a 5km climb at a 5% grade in my riding circuit which I have a love/hate relationship with. It's not too long, but by the 3rd pass, it's a pain... The descent makes it all worth the suffering.
The Pogacar hate is putting me off. Im not a Pogi fanboy but when its obvious trying to discredit and not give props it makes it hard to watch..
When Jonas blew Tadej off the mountain last year on a stage and then beat him mercilessly during the TT no one told him to stood or slow down. Come on Lance!
But both were in top form and were able to go toe to toe. Jonas recently broke his clavicle, had to have surgery after a wreck. Also a Pneumothorax. Devastating injury
They weren’t both in top form. Tadej missed a chuck of time training after breaking his wrist in Liege. It was incredible that he showed up with the shape he had.
Anyone have a link to the Andrew Blythe / Andreas Klier interview Johan mentions?
The masseur from Ineos Grenadiers, Marko Dzalo, told the Slovenian media that they got the data from Jonas' training before the TdF and the numbers were better than last year. Yes, better than last year. Tadej's numbers this year are fantastic... Johan Bryuneel also talked about them. So can someone tell me wtf Armstrong, Hincapie and Wiggens (he doesn't deserve to be called "Sir") what were they talking about? They keep hitting and pouding down on Pogi. WHY? Why all that hatred against him? Real cycling fans are not stupid and they know that two old school american doped cyclists are just BS. They just can't accept the fact that they are probably watching the GOAT of cycling-TADEJ POGACAR. I guess that hurts Amrstrong & Co.
They are haters! Giving Jonas all the excuses and not acknowledging the accomplishments of Pogi! Pogacar has a better team, appears a more mature rider, and Jonas can mot match him this season.They act like Pogi doesnt have 2 tdf wins already! Their bias is a turnoff!!!
100 %... they told like him and they just invent reasons for criticizing him..
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏.....POGI naš ponos🔥🔥💪💪💪💪
I have been avoiding spending time with LA podcast because..well nothing has changed with this guy. He is a narcissist and a damaged human being that has never apologized to Greg LeMonde or dozens of others he harmed.
I have been avoiding spending time with LA podcast because..well nothing has changed with this guy. He is a narcissist and a damaged human being that has never apologized to Greg LeMonde or dozens of others he harmed.
You boomers are right, Pog should just sit in the peloton and play it safe like George 😂
so finally we got the answer. There's no such thing is "Jonas will get better." like the internet were saying. Lack of preparation = lack of preparation. Jonas is showing the same thing as Tadej last year. That's a correct logic. Jonas is not an alien, he isn't immune from lack of condition just like any human.
Did Johan get a new camera? 😮Way to go for the good quality
Racers gonna race. If Vin Gogo doesn't like it he can pass him. All we heard from all the Vinnie PR groupies is how strong he is yet he isn't. Don't think anyone saw Pogi in the Giro.
25:14 is the most extraordinary thing I've heard in any sporting podcast. I had to listen to it twice. Unbelievable.
Lance, i have been using Speedplay pedals since 1997, after struggling with different brands of plastic pedals, having troubles clipping in and out. Speedplay is the only way to go for me. 😎 👍
As a casual observer who knows nothing about bike racing, but love watching the TDF, my first reaction to Pogi attacking was "what a douche move". He should consider the fact that so many people are following Jonas' heroic comeback and it seemed like he was kicking the dog, especially when there is no reason to do it
I disagree - it's a race, and they are professional athletes at the highest level. They want to win. Now, as far as tactics go, it might not be the best, but it's not a douche move.
It s the nature of his beast, he likes to take risks and attack. Remco is the same way. Most people who really like watching cycling, like to watch those kinds of athletes and races.
We all love an underdog, but this is a brutal, ruthless competition. As Lance always says, "no gifts." He gave a win on Mont Ventoux to Pantani once and he's said many times it was a huge mistake. My heart aches for Jonas, but caring about what people think about his comeback shouldn't enter Pogi's mind when he's on a climb.
Why gravel has gotten so big recently for bicycles and motorcycles.
Great comments ...all
Really awkward hearing Lance try to coach Pog on how to think like a cheater.
Any thoughts on the article from escape collective about super altitude (carbon monoxide inhalation)?
I’m all for helping those that need asylum. However, every citizen, every person residing in this country is responsible for their actions. There are vets with PTSD, any number of people with traumatic stories. Someone living in NYC homeless would never receive support to be moved to Boulder. It is a privilege to live there. Most of us citizens cannot afford it. Realize what you have regardless of where you’ve come from, and be a responsible human.
The people will ask questions regardless of actions on the road. Pogacar does his thing in the last 10% of the stage, his efforts are all measured 15, 20, 30 or 40min efforts and there's only one per stage.
Did Jonas have a bad day or is it that the crash and the preparations for the tour are now taking their toll and Jonas can't recover as he could in the past years? Could it be a false flag and would provoke Pogi to use unnecessary effort with the two hard mountain stages in mind. I think Jonas is not 100% to compete with Pogi and his recovery in this tour is going as planed.
Of course he could follow Remco. He does only that to make Jonas mad. He wants Jonas to be third and Remco is an ally in this Tour. Only in this tour. Don't u see they're playing against Jonas?
Pogacar is attacking because he remembers how Jonas rode in the Time Trial from last year's TdF.
Can you let us know if The White Line will open up cycling kit orders again anytime soon?
Does Tadi back up and go for all three GT's this year? Who's turning up to Spain that could beat him even after two tours?
To say this was locked up with a 3 minute lead and two of the biggest mountain stages left and a TT is a bit of a stretch, and definitely not comparable to a 10 minute lead…
He’s called the Ecuadorian Eagle
I ride in the opposite direction, against traffic. This way you can tell if a driver coming against you has noticed you and be ready to go into the ditch. Can't trust them.
Lance learned that after he went back for more after 7 wins at the Tour de France!
Maybe if he is using a motor it's fun to have a play
Can someone explain why Lance and Johan don’t like EF?
@@robflel Oh wow😮 thanks for the reply!
Something something old beef, but George also testified against Lance, which I guess they've put behind them
He attacks because he can….
The difference between Lance and Pogi is Pogi is well liked and has an accessible and relatable personality. Lance was always arrogant with an off putting I’m better than you attitude. It was that personality more than his attacks on the road that turned the tide against him.
What Lance is saying to me is: Bro, you're juicing, you're winning... Don't go doing more massive attacks that highlight the fact you're juiced. Just win and do it modestly and you will get away with it. If you keep attacking like that like I did you will get caught!
Yes! George the "Sage of the Peloton!" 😎
Johan! Do you think Jonas is too skinny?
I think he maybe talked with Remco to try to get jonas in third, cause when Remco attacks he does not follow un purpose to let jonas take his wheel? So I do you think they kind of "planned" that? #wedu
Pogačar is the antithesis of Jonas. He is not a calculative guy. He is not quiet about his intentions. He does not hide around his team mates. What else can you want from a protagonist and a face of the sport? Mind you guys, he lost the last 2 TDFs. It takes balls to race like that. End of story
Lance french is actually pretty good, even the accent.