Fantastic! I only found Iain's work 6 months ago and love so much that he talks about and right away I thought, I wonder if Scott might ever get together with him for a conversation. And this did not dissappoint. I do hope this is only Part One!! Bravo.
Fab. The IMcG quote at the end re seeing the parts versus seeing the whole was striking in that the repetition of the seeing word didn't ring different enough to warrant the machinery of two distinct hemispheres. Is it that the left hemisphere sees (modelled representation) while the right hemisphere be's (present to what is)?
I point to one of the first psychologists: (*I mean one of, I argue Psychology can go back to prehistory) Nietzsche. He explained this with a German word. schätzen. It means treasure. But the complete meaning is closer to what we value, what we treasure: is what we create, the life and les object d'art, is our meaning and thus the value is also our own value. Gestalt - we see in groups - like a cat is not a collection of parts to us, so the idea is seeing within the patterned thoughts... Beginners mind in Zen, Outsiders perspective to some, and the being open to sense and non-sense ala Jung...
I have to say I have looked at IQ tests and don't get them at all yet I spend my days gardening and doing artwork and appreciating God so that makes it easier to think I might be a closet savant, ha ha!!!!! Or not. Love this talk, thanks so much.
I think we've lost a lot of the value of intuitive and creative application to science as a result of our social stigma surrounding "feminine" ways of thinking. We've associated logic with masculinity and lost the importance of other methods of problem solving. We value STEM with such evangelical fervour that we've forgotten the importance of other problem solving processes.
Imagination - looking at what you know and then seeing it's strangeness (look at something you think you know until you see it's strangeness). Gets towards the truth through this dialogue. Fantasy leads to falsehood The madman is one who has lost everything but his reason.
Is like what is reason? Students what is reason? Can't exist without thy shared "i" AM. NOW ABLE! Now remind reason unto all the "WHO AM I"? Yes, all Mouths set UNDERFOOT for Thee all! Utterances knows belongs? Students what is utterances with contamination? Will BE purified removing contamination from Thy WATER! Why? Will BE distributed throughout the Branches. From the WELL ROOTED TREE under the Shade of the WELL ROOTED TREE! Ye are resting upon! Indeed the HEAT OF THE SUN will know its RIGHTFUL PLACE in front! Sitting upon older than TREES
People tend to think of intuition as this magical process that is outside the realm of our perception. I disagree with this notion and I believe that Iain made a good entry into parsing out what intuition actually is. You see, I believe that I am a very right brained individual not so much in the sense that my left brain is useless or inactive(i am actually extremely analytical) but rather that I probably use my right brain more than the average person(I am left handed after all). What I have come to realize is that intuition plays a pivotal part in any thought process and at least to me it does not feel nearly as magical as people make it out to be. I feel extremely intimate with my intuition and I can almost always track how I arrive at any one idea notion or sense of things. It can appear magical at first because it happens almost instantaneously, boom the solution just pops in your head, but in that instant almost like a snapshot I can begin to analyse how I arrived at that solution, the thought process behind it and how my brain "intuited" this above a myriad of other possibilities as the correct one. I think in large part this process is going on in the right hemisphere and perhaps due to me being slightly more right brained than the average person it doesn't feel as foreign or outside my perception. In a way I see it(the right hemisphere utilizing "intuition") as a super computer crunching the numbers and going through the various iterations until an adequate solution is reached. In that sense it can feel foreign because our normal linear thought process operates at a snail's pace compared to a super computer which is why some people are often at a loss in trying to explain their own intuition and often see it as something magical and coming out of nowhere given how quickly it can operate at times.
@@jonjenkins If you think (like he does) that the problem we have is people being too analytical and not holistic enough, I guess I don't know what to tell you. The woke insanity itself ought to give you pause, but if you want to go back further, let's just look at post-modernism or bleeding-heart liberalism (and I could go on and on). What we have is an overabundance of holistic, emotional nonsense and not enough critical reasoning. MacGilchrist is motivated by his religious leanings, and man, it shows!
Fantastic! I only found Iain's work 6 months ago and love so much that he talks about and right away I thought, I wonder if Scott might ever get together with him for a conversation. And this did not dissappoint. I do hope this is only Part One!! Bravo.
Fab. The IMcG quote at the end re seeing the parts versus seeing the whole was striking in that the repetition of the seeing word didn't ring different enough to warrant the machinery of two distinct hemispheres. Is it that the left hemisphere sees (modelled representation) while the right hemisphere be's (present to what is)?
Thank you
What a wonderfully nuanced discussion! Thank you SBK.
I point to one of the first psychologists: (*I mean one of, I argue Psychology can go back to prehistory) Nietzsche. He explained this with a German word. schätzen. It means treasure. But the complete meaning is closer to what we value, what we treasure: is what we create, the life and les object d'art, is our meaning and thus the value is also our own value. Gestalt - we see in groups - like a cat is not a collection of parts to us, so the idea is seeing within the patterned thoughts... Beginners mind in Zen, Outsiders perspective to some, and the being open to sense and non-sense ala Jung...
Beautiful! 💫 Thank you for sharing! I hope you do co-author an article together. I would love to read it.
I'd love to see a co-authored article and ongoing discussions between you both 🎉
I have to say I have looked at IQ tests and don't get them at all yet I spend my days gardening and doing artwork and appreciating God so that makes it easier to think I might be a closet savant, ha ha!!!!! Or not. Love this talk, thanks so much.
This looks great!
Absolutely wonderful conversation, wish two minds such as you both cold be cloned and repeated forever it's so valuable for you two to meet as minds.
I think we've lost a lot of the value of intuitive and creative application to science as a result of our social stigma surrounding "feminine" ways of thinking. We've associated logic with masculinity and lost the importance of other methods of problem solving. We value STEM with such evangelical fervour that we've forgotten the importance of other problem solving processes.
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Imagination - looking at what you know and then seeing it's strangeness (look at something you think you know until you see it's strangeness). Gets towards the truth through this dialogue. Fantasy leads to falsehood
The madman is one who has lost everything but his reason.
Is like what is reason? Students what is reason? Can't exist without thy shared "i" AM. NOW ABLE! Now remind reason unto all the "WHO AM I"? Yes, all Mouths set UNDERFOOT for Thee all! Utterances knows belongs? Students what is utterances with contamination? Will BE purified removing contamination from Thy WATER! Why? Will BE distributed throughout the Branches. From the WELL ROOTED TREE under the Shade of the WELL ROOTED TREE! Ye are resting upon! Indeed the HEAT OF THE SUN will know its RIGHTFUL PLACE in front! Sitting upon older than TREES
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Phenomenal as always. Iain is the truth!
The left does as it pleases.
The right picks up the pieces.
The left sees a triangle. The right, a pyramid. By nature, not by nurture.
People tend to think of intuition as this magical process that is outside the realm of our perception. I disagree with this notion and I believe that Iain made a good entry into parsing out what intuition actually is. You see, I believe that I am a very right brained individual not so much in the sense that my left brain is useless or inactive(i am actually extremely analytical) but rather that I probably use my right brain more than the average person(I am left handed after all). What I have come to realize is that intuition plays a pivotal part in any thought process and at least to me it does not feel nearly as magical as people make it out to be. I feel extremely intimate with my intuition and I can almost always track how I arrive at any one idea notion or sense of things. It can appear magical at first because it happens almost instantaneously, boom the solution just pops in your head, but in that instant almost like a snapshot I can begin to analyse how I arrived at that solution, the thought process behind it and how my brain "intuited" this above a myriad of other possibilities as the correct one. I think in large part this process is going on in the right hemisphere and perhaps due to me being slightly more right brained than the average person it doesn't feel as foreign or outside my perception. In a way I see it(the right hemisphere utilizing "intuition") as a super computer crunching the numbers and going through the various iterations until an adequate solution is reached. In that sense it can feel foreign because our normal linear thought process operates at a snail's pace compared to a super computer which is why some people are often at a loss in trying to explain their own intuition and often see it as something magical and coming out of nowhere given how quickly it can operate at times.
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Jung would concur.
(only he'd insist it were 99.95%)
I'd say , just to highlight the irony.
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Yay! ❤
Perfect example of motivated thinking. Smart man comes to the wrong conclusions because he is aiming at a goal other than truth. Sad.
Please provide the evidence to back up your claim that McGilchrist is wrong
Sorry what
@@jonjenkins If you think (like he does) that the problem we have is people being too analytical and not holistic enough, I guess I don't know what to tell you. The woke insanity itself ought to give you pause, but if you want to go back further, let's just look at post-modernism or bleeding-heart liberalism (and I could go on and on). What we have is an overabundance of holistic, emotional nonsense and not enough critical reasoning. MacGilchrist is motivated by his religious leanings, and man, it shows!
Can you say more? I'd love to understand your position better. Thank you.
@@KRGruner Yes McG obviously has Religious leanings but that doesn’t necessarily mean he is mistaken in his neurological findings