The Vegetarian Myth Debunked Forever
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- A look at Lierre Keith's claims against veganism and the validity of her anti-vegan bible 'The Vegetarian Myth.'
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Lierre "Binged on Dairy ang Eggs" Clip 5:30:
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Adventist 2 Mortality:
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Vegans have higher protein blood levels:
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97% of people don't eat enough fiber:
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Spinal Disc Degeneration Study 11-16 year olds:
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Whole Food Vegan Diet Unclogging Arteries Study:
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Inner Artery Thickness Vegans, Omnivores, and Marathon Runners:
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Vegan Bone Density Study:
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Bone Broth Calcium Content Study:
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Switzerland Vegan Nutrients Study:
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UV treated mushrooms raise Vitamin D blood levels:
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CDC - 25% Vitamin D Insufficiency in US:
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Sauerkraut has K2, natto highest:
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NIH Vitamin E Page:
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COQ10 Beef vs Peanuts:
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Plant Foods Average 64 times the antioxidants of animal foods:
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Heme Iron WHO:
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How Heme Iron Contributes to Cancer:
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Vitamin C Increases Iron Bioavailability:
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Eating Grains 100,000+ Years ago study:
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60% of Unangan (Misnomer Eskimos) Mummies had Atherosclerosis:
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Hydrogen Sulfide Meat Science Study:
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I've been a vegan for 30 years and I'm still waiting for my health to collapse. Curiously, I remain in rude good health. And so does my 82 year old mother, who has also been a vegan for 30 years. Maybe next year.
Liz Mednick maybe next year 😂
Liz Mednick that’s freaking awesome!! Maybe next year? Lol
jajaja 😂
Poison Ivy HAHA! Love this! 😂
Liz Mednick Wow!! Congratulations!! I cannot wait for the day that I can claim being vegan for that long!! ❤️ I have only been vegan for nearly a year, but I am already doing so much better!! ❤️ Kudos to you and your mother, you two are amazing!! ❤️
I'm not usually one to comment on videos but damn, this video is just too good. Keep up this content Mic, it makes it so much easier to keep on this path with the information you provide
ryan shaw thanks for hitting keyboard with those kind words :)
@@MictheVegan i will be honest....i was researching proteins and optimum nutrition...the next logical step in my health goals and stumbled upon one of your videos lol. You are the first vegan video i ever watched lol...i was hesitant at first lol...my politics and worldview are different than most vegans ive heard so far....but i was impressed with your logic and fact based approach and the science in favor of a plant based diet. Annnnd lol....i was already 99% vegan in my diet but didnt realize it lol.
So keep the nutrition facts n logic coming! :)
I use 3 criteria in analyzing data
Scripture
Science(facts & evidence)
Logic
And i have to say...thus far...the logical consistency...facts..are strongest on the plant based side.
Keto
Lectin free
Carnivore
Etc
seem to have a number of logical inconsistencies and fallacies in the arguments i have heard thus far.
If they say fruits are bad....im like...that contradicts all 3 of my criteria lol. Adam & Eve were vegans lol. Good grief!
:)
She had me at ' ....I binged on eggs and dairy every chance I got'
It means she constantly ate eggs and dairy, that's not vegan aka plant based at all...
I’ve got a hunch that eggs and dairy are even more unhealthy foods than meat.
She basically was on a vegetarian diet.
Yeah she shouldn’t be saying her personal experience is a testimony to a diet being bad when she clearly wasn’t on that diet at all...
@@aaronheaney2694 there’s definitely an argument to be made there, as well as that the egg and dairy industries are even more cruel. They just make the animals suffer longer
She called herself a vegan but was eating eggs and dairy every chance she got. I'm pretty sure the argument ends there.
you really should read "the vegetarian myth" this woman transcends the knowledge of most peopke let alone vegans, her nutritional knowledge is astoundingly extensive
@@gervasebarnes Why read a book that is so easily discredited by ACTUAL scientists?
@@SunFellow941 your another one hiding behind a false name, have the courage like me to state things publically and own it. get your facts straight too. her book took years to write, has references that can be verified if you research. plus if the book "as you say is discredited " why did it win awards? did you overlook those facts?
m0L3ify..show me a vegan that does NOT cheat. ie have a bit of chocolate, a small little treat that is not vegan..and you can pretty well guarantee that person is dishonest or not been vegan long
@@lex.cordis it seems you jump to conclusions. Glad I have entertained you..who ever you really are??
So she eats animal products the whole time she claims to have been vegan? That alone is enough to dismiss her entire premise.
Lol, no it isn't.
Thomas White Er, yes, it is. You can’t claim to be in a car crash if you never travel in a car - you can’t claim that being vegan made you sick when you weren’t vegan.
@@Melissa.Garrett You don't even know how often or how much meat/animal products she ate. It could have been once a year. It doesn't discredit what her experiences were while eating a vegan diet.
Thomas White She literally said she binged on eggs and dairy every chance she got. As a vegan for 1 year I already find the taste of anything including that disgusting
@@f.u.c8308 What is every chance she got though because as an adult with her own money that could be daily, but I suspect it was probably once every 6 months. You find the taste of eggs disgusting because you've been a vegan for one year? You're a delusional person.
I think the biggest problem with people who try a vegan diet and then 'fail' is because they accomplish it with one change: removing the meat from their existing diet. Thus it becomes a diet of subtraction, leaving them potentially open to a range of deficiencies. Especially if they started with the Standard American Diet.
Successful vegans seem to almost all take the opposite approach. They explore the cuisines of a variety of cultures and add _more_ variety to their diet. Diversity builds strength. And flavor!
The first time I went vegan for 8 months and failed was I did an unhealthy vegan diet. I only removed meat and did add anything. This time around, I do new foods and mostly whole food and very low oil. I eat a much bigger variety of foods and they are much healthier options too.
This is so true. I've been gradually turning not just vegan but entirely WFPB over the last couple of years as a way to help keep my weight down after having a sleeve gastrectomy (I was 157.2kg). The #1 question I ask myself is not "How can I avoid ____" but "How can I eat more vegetables?" The more recipes and ideas I try, the more I discover new favorites and new "go to" foods for things like taste, comfort and convenience. It feels great to gorge myself on a delicious meal and feel zero guilt afterwards, knowing that every vegetable (and fruit, and whole grain) I eat is a step forward. I'm now down to 88.8kg and still losing!
No Mic hasn't debunked her at all, firstly he haven't felt what we have felt first-hand from these foods, I'm an ex-vegan, was vegan for 14 years and have real proof like she does, and he doesn't, I deteriorated slowly over the years and almost dead twice at end of 14 years as a vegan,and tried it all, I wouldn't switch until practically dead, and thought like mic, and felt real differences when back on animal products (real evidence for one), He's typical, like we were were , ignoring other evidence and refusing to admit this is wrong until happens to you (we were "die-hard" vegans too), and it will if you pursue this, and following his video: 1- Doesn't matter if she occasionally ate animal products, deficiencies were still there, 2- Mortality rate don't show length of time on diets or actual diets and other crucial details, 3- List of people who are vegans, only a handful and still no proof they were cheagans either, minority and coincidence only, 4- albumin is found in eggs, many vegetarians eat eggs, and why such levels would be higher, 5- Fiber deficient only means you're low on sugars which we need too, not excesses, 6- Wiki isn't a low quality source, and why are other sources wrong?, 7- Diabetes is linked to types of people with organ/genetic issues, not diet, 8- Vitamins you can't get as easily as you describe, sun etc.. like people know how to get those doses regularly, without the traditional way we've done for millions of years, 9- How do you think we manufacture other essential compounds, by themselves? no from other sources, and we're not ruminants or gorillas that can access such compounds from plants. 10- He doesn't seem to understand that humans are made differently to other animals, can't eat peanuts all day like squirrels can! And other foods like you suggest. Imagine what issues you would have, we don't have magic machines and products that magically convert all those compounds we need for us to ingest everyday conveniently (in a perfect world yes, but now it's all contained in a piece of meat, no time and means to spend all day on gathering and converting all that successfully, if even possible today, he's not realistic (dreamer like we were, and I still admire him, because I understand him and that's how I was and still are in my heart, my heart is vegan essentially, but we have to accept what we are and we we need sadly). 11- No, I was actually diagnosed very anemic many years on a vegan diet, lack of heme iron, essential , and in red meat, along with first-hand experience on iron PILLS that had negative effects (not natural and absorbed the same way). 12- No, if you check sources, agriculture was more recent. 13- You can't compare us to wolves and cats, and such receptors, remember we introduced cooking hundreds of thousands of years ago. 14 - and on and on without proof on his end, and just finding arguments for the sake of arguing without proof like we have (first-hand felt this), and he will one day. And such much more is lacking on his end, that he'll never admit, mental health, etc.. Accept and do the good we all wish to do by staying well and alive. We need good people like vegans, but we need them healthy (mentally and physically). You don't realize what you're doing to yourself, and if you die before converting back, people will just say: "He/she died prematurely, and he/she was vegan, oh well...". You'll die for nothing, not having proved anything and made things worse without meaning it. We have to continue to strive for that dream we have of eliminating suffering, and making the world a better place, however in a realistic way (likely gradual over many many years, and by staying healthy and alive, while increasing respect for all living beings over time).
Daniel Sole-Mardini I disagree. There are plenty of vegans that have been vegan for many years and are very healthy. The studies also disagree with you.
@@danielsole-mardini7466 I agree we are omnivores however type 2 diabetes is absolutely related to diet. The other very compelling factor to research is the effect of electricity and continued technology on our health. The disease of diabetes was virtually nonexistent prior to the advent of modern day electricity. Read The Invisible Rainbow.
No point in trying to argue against veganism. There's no argument at all!
True Darkness ikr
426 09 I doubt it. She just has a problem with some of the exaggerated claims in the industry.
What about the farming of non-sentient organisms? This industry is also killing sentient organisms like insects, rodents and birds. If you don't want to kill these sentient organisms then you should also stop with the farming of non-sentient organisms.
trumpster is right, no use in arguing against these crazy trollholes and their cognitive dissidence, meat eating IS a long standing social religion, complete with animal sacrifices for mere sense gratification......
" For as long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." Pythagoras(Smart dude who didn't eat animals, between the time of 570-490 BC )
I'm going to stop being vegan right away, because you make such compelling arguments........said no one ever ....
Has anyone noticed getting fewer and way shorter colds after going vegan? I used to get every cold going and would be sick for 3 weeks with coughing etc. Now it’s a few days only. Really noticeable difference. Thanks for what you do Mike 😘🙏
Jane Faulkner yup. I noticed it when I first started transitioning to eating plant based (still eating a little animal products, as well as adding some vegan replacements). The more I transitioned, the better it got. I used to get annual sinus infections, annual flu, strep here or there, ear infections and a cold j allergies with every season.
I haven't had the flu since before I completely transitioned to an exclusively plant based diet yrs ago. I've had one cold in 2 years, and it was super short on top of it. No more sinus infections, ear infections...none of that. I *might* have a little sniffle and a touch of mucus if mold or ragweed are really high (whereas before, I would have been laid out in bed on allergy meds).
It's just completely different now, and I'm so glad for it.
Jane Faulkner yep, zero colds since going vegan. I used to get 2-4 every year before I quit dairy.
Jane Faulkner yup same here!
Same here.
Since going vegan I haven't been sick once!
"Hey look I'm vegan, except I'm not." Nice story.
📚 *"....Based on a meta analysis of anti-vegan authors, we have concluded that eating meat also increases stupidity."*
Cassandra Bankson 😂😂😂😂
Cassandra Bankson 😂🤣🤣🤣
Kept me laughing on for minutes straight! Hahaha!!! But honestly, all the anti vegan representations I've heard or seen were never intelligent indeed.
Nice! ROFL
O.P. might not be joking indeed!
"Keep Calm & Science On". I love you, man! You're the reason I made the lifestyle change to veganism. You're a champion, cheers!
TimbervottiTyke same here! Mic is the man!
TimbervottiTyke ruclips.net/video/fi5R5yfJ88Y/видео.html yeah science on eggs are ok according to dr. vegan
It's not a lifestyle, you're putting different stuff in your face because you think it'll get you laid with dreadlock type girls -& it'll give you the right to scream at everyone for eating bacon.
Give it another 3 months and you will be back here outraged at this bs dribbling wet flap for convincing your feeble mind that any if this is true
Welsh Student hahahaha talk about feeble minds, ironic......
Cured my life long anemia by going vegan too!! And so far have lost 56lbs in 9mos 💚🌱🥑🥦🥒🥝
You'll continue to loose weight and become dangerously skinny
@@Joey-ve7ku she'll also grow a third arm and wings.
Hahha yes my weight is dangerously low. 65lbs down. Current weight is 180. 😂 I may blow away in the wind. Hopefully my malnutritioned diet will take me down to a normal BMI soon.
@@makeyoupretty yeah and when it eventually does the job you should probably go back to a healthy balanced diet not being a vegan.
@@Joey-ve7ku vegan marathon runners and record breaking weightlifters say youre full of bullshit, and cholesterol.
A cheating vegan? Don't you mean a Vegan Cheetah?
Some Dude with Opinions I would love to see Mic destroy him
LOL
seitanismycopilot Mic is above him
Mic is too good to even mention that pos
Haahah
This is baffling. Most all of her claims can easily be debunked by google in minutes. Did she really think her audience is dense enough to just believe her? Wow.
_blue_morpho_ Unfortunately a lot of people are. People want to hear good news about their bad habits!
_blue_morpho_ people grasp at straws to justify animal products. 😑
Clearly they are, or she wouldn't have sold books.
_blue_morpho_
Hey blue wassup
Luis Lopez bingo
Plants have nutrients, but plants aren’t very bioavailable..
Thank you once again for such an intelligent, well researched and clearly presented video. It is obvious that you yourself are gleaming with good health, and your advocacy is very powerful!
Even my kids' public school doesn't allow them to use Wikipedia as a source 🙄
Not even if they are writing good news about the teachers habits?
😂😂😂
Lol
That's unfortunate. Wikipedia is at least as reliable as Encyclopedia Britannica. It has the advantage of being constantly edited by thousands of editors, too, the highest being professionals and the lowest being part-timers such as myself who usually just do minor edits like correcting spelling, grammatical or punctuation mistakes. All corrections are quite quickly checked for veracity, too, and it's rare that incorrect information stays on the site for long. It has a somewhat bad reputation because many people don't actually know how it works and think that it's run by a few amateurs.
Give it another go and I think you'll be surprised at how accurate and how good it actually is.
The point is that almost anyone can edit it. There are a lot of pranks being pulled etc. so you never know if the information is reliable. Of course, it's a good place to look for links to actual sources.
Using statistics to approve or disprove something is completely bogus there have to be people at both ends of the scale in order to get any kind of result so just because there is one guy at 100 years old still mowing his lawn or a professional bodybuilder proves absolutely nothing.
YES the REAL problem is no one is getting enough fibre in the diet. Why is every one so concerned about protein when most people are fibre deficient?!?!
AMEN!
Just as the "drink Milk for Strong Bones" Myth
fiber is a myth created by the vegan industry as self justification
People are finally exercising more and going to the gym. Awesome. The "healthy" food and sports related industry seized the opportunity, and through repetition, engraved the idea that someone needs (and wants) lots of protein to gain muscle (health benefits are fine, but you gotta look good). And now almost every product you can think of has a high protein version.
Ikr and Americans actually get around 50% too much protein so wtf are people trippin over?
Yeah she wasn’t even a vegan. Yet again, we have someone criticizing a WFPB diet that she never even tried. Just like the studies that criticize “low fat” diets that aren’t truly low fat.
Stephen Otto ikr?! I'm always like "how is a diet that's 30%+ calories from fat a *low fat* diet"? I'll wait...
Yep. You ask them what carbs are and they be like, "cake, and donuts and cookies." Um, no, 40% calories from carbs is actually a low-moderate carb food. 60% fat, since those things have no protein, is high FAT, extremely high fat. sigh
Stephen Otto IKR?!! And the sad thing is her readers don’t know the difference. This floored me!
DR's New Account lol I was talking to someone, while eating a bag of chips. She said "I try to stay away from chips...nothing but carbs."
I said "there are 10 grams of fat in a serving of these chips. There are also 15 grams of carbs. Are you sure this is a 'carb'"?
Of course, she said yes. I said "well, since carbs are 4 calories per gram, and fats are 9 calories per gram, are you still so sure these chips qualify as 'carbs'?"
She looked like she had seen a ghost...
led samsung that chips aren't "carbs", they're actually carbs *and* fats ...more fat than carbs.
medium.com/@drewfrench/grass-fed-beef-the-most-vegan-item-in-the-supermarket-8c46b45a0d47
Facts matter ... low IQ ramblings do not
I am a recent convert to veganism and I have to say this lady doesn't have a clue and it is embarrassing.
Vegetables are trying to kill me. Send help.
Lol what are her credentials? Bachelors of Wikipedia science? 😂
Ha ha! Too awesome Ash!
She doesn't need credentials.... just a big fat paycheck from Animal Ag.
Ashley Ouellette ruclips.net/video/fi5R5yfJ88Y/видео.html don't know what are doctor vegans credentials saying eggs are ok
So wikipedia doesn't have facts on it?
@@LargerThanCats It does, but you can't just quote Wikipedia and stop right there, accepting it as facts; that's the same as quoting a random person. You should go to the source -- the real published, peer-reviewed study, and discuss your findings accordingly.
FINALLY! Now bury that bullshit and let it never escape again.
Finnaly! I can go back to wealthy corporation funded studies that force a certain finding which determines whether scientists get paid. I love how our government cares about us so much they even push this diet! I love big brother, because big brother loves me
Roman Hamm Can't you see Mic's lying.
toavm I know he is lying. Vegans are too bigoted to change their beliefs. It's a flawed religion.
NorVegan Is PSYCHO I wasn't talking to you, kindly excuse yourself from discourse thanks!
Green With Wimsy ¿¿??
Hahaha
"KEEP CALM
AND
SCIENCE ON"
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Love it. Getting shirt made today. lol
The science was comparing a vegan's health to that of general population. This doesn't well account for the fact that vegans tend to be much more health conscious than an average person from the population.
"You can make a lot of money by sharing the good news about the bad habits" SUCH a great point!! Pure psychology. Thanks for your efforts as always.
I was a vegetarian for 20 years and my blood sugar didn't budge until I became a vegan 5 years ago. My A1C is 5.5, I've eliminated the night insulin and I cut my before meal dose to 5-15 units. She is so wrong.
Mary Ciulla was it getting your fat cal to
Mary Clulia, you havent even begun...she has at least 15 more years experience thsn you..this is the vegan thing...denial, denial, denial
Mary Ciulla, she was VEGAN for 20 years, you have just started, your body is NOW depleting, and this will take up to a decade before you start to notice the deficiencies. your bones are like a bank..minerals are deposited into them when healthy ie a well balanced nutrient rich diet, and when on a poor diet, such as vegan, minerals are withdrawn to sustain you. do some research
Lena Bean I couldn’t agree more and congratulations on 5 years! I’ve been going for 3
That is fantastic Mary! Same thing happened to my brother. He was very unhealthy eating meat and cheese. It has been two years now and he no longer takes insulin and he no longer needs blood pressure medication. His recent A1C is so good, his new doctor said he has trouble believing he was ever diabetic. I feel bad for people who don't realize how easy it is to decrease or eliminate the need for insulin on a whole food plant based diet if they are type 2 diabetic. I hope that you are continuing to do well.
Liked before watching.... Your research of content is more extensive than the silly people who quickly down being vegan. Seems as though, they should research nutrients instead of excuses.
Liked your comment before I read it😊
If it weren't for Mic.'s videos I would be struggling right now. They've helped me a lot during my transition to becoming vegan. Never in a million years would I go back to eating meat and dairy. I don't feel the need for it anymore.
yay!
Rosa me too
Donald Trump he is not the reason why I became vegan. I appreciate how he uses scientific research to prove his point. And of course we all have to seek medical help and not rely on other peoples’ analogies to make drastic diet changes.
I didn't think I would be arguing about this. I just posted a comment, but my bad.
the guy posing as trump, trolling a vegan page with his time, is telling us to have our mental health checked????? HAHAHA, you can't make this stupid shit up.......
I like it when he says that vegans died 15% less. I hope I am one of the immortal vegans. Go vegan, you'll die less. ;)
she's an opportunist looking to make a buck on being contrary. a talking head...
Matteo Sollecito "Make people feel good about bad habits"
Matteo Sollecito I am sure she is funded by the meat and diary industry
Protein, I can't get to it... oh wait, if I stand up and walk to the kitchen, I can get a diversity of protein from my whole plant foods. Phew!
GreenSmoothieParty
Bwa ha ha ha! Actual best answer I've ever heard. Truly :D
Freaking hilarious! :D :D
GreenSmoothieParty ruclips.net/video/fi5R5yfJ88Y/видео.html according to doctor vegan eggs are ok too
especially if you are a fox :)
GreenSmoothieParty haha awesome
The sheer amount of ignorance pouring out from this woman is truly remarkable.
I came here because of the comments on Crowder's first interview with this woman, she seemed so legit on there, I'm glad I ended up here!
Sorry, she's right but you might work that out one day.
@@pepper419 I wrote that comment 4 years ago and can’t remember the context, and I’ve never been vegan in my life. All the vegans I know have a multitude of health issues.
@@360flipmaster Sorry, I think I caught you by mistake.
Oi Mike. Going Vegan has been the best thing I've ever done for myself. My hyperglycemia is no longer an issue, and I've regained sensitivity in my ring and pinky fingers and toes. ( really bad back injury messed up my nerves) Thank you for spitting the truth. Opened my eyes for sure!
"You can shred The Vegetarian Myth book and use it as mulch in compost to help grow more vegetables so you can carry on with your healthy vegan life" - direct quote taken from Wikipedia.
I love this guys scientific approach. A few months ago I woke up from meat induced slumber. I checked every video, questioned every source, argued them and came back to the research. I tore appart my belief system. I'm still alone in this. Me and RUclips. But with channels like this I get to become a litle bit closer to 100% vegan each day.
Why the heck are there dairy / eggs into everything I know how to make....
I'm 56, been eating a vegan diet 5 years (lost 75 pounds, feel 20 years younger). Dr. McDougall's website was invaluable to me, and then (and still) I relied on nutritionfacts.org, and now I have discovered Mic! It's helpful to have some kind of a support system.
led samsung more like she stepped out of the corpse cult , you should try it
If we're discussing this as adults--and not teens throwing around juvenile slams--then the phrase that fits here is not "a bubble" but that when you are in the minority, it helps to have solid research to back you up and a support system.
led samsung i believe he extracts the relevant data from a lot of valid studies to make it accessible. These arguments make total sense to the biologist I am. Resonate strongly with the compassionate human I can be. On my way to the best health possible overall. #fuckmeat
Well said. Dr. Greger may do a more complete job of explaining the science of showing the details from studies, and Colin Campbell provides a more in-depth explanation of the limitations of reductionist science, but Mic! provides a more engaging approach, but with solid science too.
I always pay attention to anti-vegan promotions because I want to see if they have any basis in fact. It is amazing that this woman speaks so much nonsense with such emphatic certainty. As a biology teacher I could quickly dismiss her arguments because she lacked the basic understanding of nutrition. Thank you, Mic, for being the voice of reason and for helping people navigate through the misinformation about veganism.
thank you. I was 20 minutes into that video and she was convincing
try to debunk my argument I present in this video: ruclips.net/video/_aNt0bJ3GOc/видео.html
@@PrimalCulture i viewed your video and see that you generalize vegans and call us all cultists. I can assure you that vegans are a diverse community and many of us find over zealous, judgmental and preachy vegans to be hard to take. I rely on scientific evidence to support my veganism and do not radicalize my vegan choices. My health has improved and am feeling happier. Eat whatever you like, that is your choice,,,just don't hate me because i'm vegan.
When someone says they can debunk a person based on their lack of understanding but fails to actually state where the person is factually inaccurate makes me suspicious. What arguments were you able to dismiss based on Lierre Keith's lack of basic understanding of nutrition?
@@LargerThanCats totally agree especially having read lierres well researched book..let's see the refutation
When i went to college they told me in the first class to never ever use Wikipedia as a source of information.
Damn girl. You killing me!!!!
Same here, but that was over ten years ago. It's fine now.
Absolutely! To be fair - today Wikipedia is an excellent source on pretty much anything for informal settings. But you are absolutely right. NOBODY under ANY situation ever in writing a book or serious paper should EVER cite wikipedia as a source, unless it's to make a point about wikipedia itself.
The reason for this is that one should look at the actual sources that the wiki authors used themselves, to ensure the highest quality and rigour possible.
If any book or article ever just uses wikipedia as a scource it should raise a HUUUUUGE red flag regarding how serious it is, especially if it was written 10+ years ago!
Same. I wouldnt be allowed to turn in a paper that cited wikipedia because its not an academic source.
She likely got paid by the meat and dairy industry to write this book.
Zach Bird *write :)
Notice how I said "likely"
I heard that she has ties to the Weston A. Price Foundation, so yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she did.
That "cheagan" lady don't look like she's thriving on her meaty diet. Her complexion is not glowing at all. I think she needs help.
Maybe that's because she has to stay inside so much because of all the death threats she's getting from vegans. Not kidding either.
What you mean, she looks great!!
@@Eivitussaole hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha
Skin damage from long term dietary deficiencies cannot fully repair itself no matter what one does, especially after age 30.
@Chief - no, we don't make stuff up - we read scientific articles. What's your cholesterol, by the way?
Woah, someone better tell Patrik Baboumian that he can't build muscle being a vegan before he dies of a cellulose-overdose.
Aka: not being constipated.
What an incredible video! Standing ovation! So much work went into this!!!
Such nonsense. He didn't even refute any of the claims in the book, focusing instead on interview snippets of his choosing. Just another dogmatic vegan brainwasher.
I'm slightly hypoglycemic and my blood sugar used to swing up and down a lot. Since going vegan, it's been extremely steady.
Ugh people like this lady make me so mad! Spreading so many lies! 😡
Kirky it's mic who's lying.
Ok? he lists all his sources...where's your proof? Stop trolling the comments dude.
Kirky Yeah he lists his sources, but have you gone deep into them? Go over the Adventists study 2 for example and try to find the percentage of the actual vegan population involved in the study. find it and we'll discuss it in detail if you you want.
toavm Lmao ok. I've read it. Have you? Lets talk about it.
I’ve also noticed that their main argument is “but it tastes good”
_MyChemicalCosplay_ have you read the book? Her main argument is in order to save the planet, food must come from within living communities. In order for this to happen, she suggests eating locally and sustainably and encourages those with the resources to grow their own food. She wants meat to be a part of this diet and explains why sole reliance on agriculture is destructive for societies.
"I was vegan for 20 years, but also ate eggs and milk" they should put her book in the fiction section of the library.
Well said!
Maybe she had health problems because she "binged on eggs and dairy every chance I got"
Sylvanas Windrunner or maybe not.....
Talking facts
I was thinking the same thing, Sylvanas Windrunner. 👍
Sylvanas Windrunner BINGO!!!!
Wow, you did this when I was still on a plant based diet, 5 years carnivore now :)
It is very easy to cherry-pick the data and strangle the research to make it fit whatever narrative you happen to be committed to. And while I admit that it's anecdotal, a first impression observation of people that have been eating long-term vegan usually appear malnourished and unhealthy. Also she was not cheating on eggs and dairy the whole that she vegan, it was only toward the end when her body was completely starved for nutrients that aren't found in plants that she began to stray. And there are so many other stories just like hers. So thatat was a little bit misleading to play that clip out of context. but I think it would be great to see you guys have a civil friendly debate on RUclips. It is important that all of us here the other side of the story and not get caught up in the echo chamber. this woman was committed vegan for a long time it's not really fair to just dismiss her immediately and call her a liar without hearing her side of the story.
nothing brings me greater joy than your debunk videos!
He's totally wrong and you'll wake up when sick enough. Veganism is totally unnatural.
I chose to go vegan not long ago. My cholesterol went from 275 to 221 for starters kept me off of meds for it.❤
How much is it now?
@Geoff tell that to heart doctors.
High Cholesterol isn’t bad though.. it’s triglycerides you need to watch for
Let´s see how you feel in 5+ years. I dont think we need to go fully vegan to lower cholesterol though, just find a balance. I got great results for my health going vegan myself (whole foods, lots of greens), but after some years I ran into some major problems.
Never been healthier and fitter since I gave up meat and became vegan. The BEST thing I did in my life.
GlobalJobber how long have you been vegan?
@Glen M Of course there are exceptions. You are one of them. Most people die early or have illnesses because they eat meat, dairy and eggs. Simple fact. The points are: our bodies are designed to eat plants as our main food source. We are born herbivore. If you think not, then just take an hour or so, without discrimination, to scan the internet for information. It's there. It's blatantly obvious.
The more meat we eat, the worse off our health, the more plant based you eat, the better your health. Plain fact - scientific studies abound to show this. Mass meat industries which are required to feed the mass populations fuel cruelty, forestry destruction, pollution, viruses, and more. Plain fact. Eating meat means we live our lives due to the death and suffering of others. Fact. Eating plants is clean, green, wonderful. No deaths, no cruelty. Eating plants is healthy. There's no argument except from those who refuse to change the thought patterns drilled into them through their up bringing. Just because a society does something, and has does something for a long time, doesn't mean it is right.
I grew up Adventist. So Im used to being around healthy elders who have been plant based for decades 😂 My parents, in their late sixties now, can run circles around people half their age... my mom still wears her stilettos every sabbath.. ❤️🥰
The most cringy woman I've ever listened to.
No science here in all the responses, only ad hominem. What does that tell you? There is no science to support their vegan claims.
@@Gesundheit888 have you watched the video
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS. These are the videos we need
I'm pretty sure she was a barely vegan and she saw an opportunity to cash in on some speaking engagements and books that would be embraced by people who want to keep eating meat (in spite of what their doctor is saying). I wouldn't rule out the possibility of "grants" from the meat and dairy industry either.
You mean like every RUclipsr who is either vegan or non-vegan?
Nailed it.
It's interesting how cynic you vegans become when you encounter information that runs counter to your dogmatic beliefs. You flippantly accuse her of wanting to make money off an anti vegan stance, which is just absurd. There are plenty of easier ways to make money and especially more money than this.
Keep up the good work
But aren’t you so glad for nick? He was missing the essential trans fat and cholesterol in his vegan diet and now is approaching obesity and diabetes. Go Nick!
6:27 A.K.A. Vitamin Naruto. :P
Aldrick Fon Dracul I get plenty of vitamin Naruto 😂😂😝😝
VEG ANIMATION
believe it
Victor Brown hahahahahaha! Straight from a pristine source in the Leaf village! 👍
XD
I don't understand how she isn't ashamed to look in the mirror. Some people are just that ignorant.
i *really* hope she and the interviewer watch this video..
It's a pretty old interview- I think from 2011
She is getting paid, you can tell By her body language:
I literally gasped/laughed when she actually said meat is more nutrient dense than vegetable matter. OMG. She's an idiot. Thanks for doing this video! You're awesome, Mike.
When she said you couldn't get vitamin A from plants, I went "Wha?" Ever heard of sweet potatoes and carrots?
She obviously knows nothing about biochemistry, because the beta carotene in plants is the precursor to vitamin A. (Your body takes it and turns it into vitamin A).
Yeah, i hear this stuff all the time and it gets so annoying sometimes. People just like to make excuses for their poor diet habits; and it makes them feel better about killing animals.
you are not just what you eat but also what you absorb
and how you treat others while you do it.
Whaa? So I have only been vegan for around six months (from pescatarian to vegetarian the past four and half years) so far I haven't eaten any meat. None. Is this something I should be concerned about? Am I suddenly going to start eating meet once a week? Is this going to be like a chronic thing? Ridiculousness.
such a good video
You know the meat eaters cant fight you when they insult your hair and beard in an attempt to gain a foot hold. 😂
Fucking Potatoes yeah but he is as pale as can be . Regardless of what lifestyle you lead there is no denying this host looks unhealthy
@@jimneysweep9810 I think you don't understand skin tone and climate? No, that would be way too complicated for you...
idiocracy is now a reality. keep debunking bro. We need u.
"You can make a lot of money telling people good news about their bad habits." This line is the BEST! Thanks Mic the Vegan, very well done and I sympathize with your frustration. I am a Whole Food Vegan and have reversed IBS, Environmental Allergies, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Tendinitis, Back Pain, Sciatica, and more. Thanks for all you are doing to continue to spread the word!
Uh huh, were these all self-diagnosed?
omgoodness no... I must've been at the doctor's office at least once every other month with issues. All diagnosed by my doc. he told me I had the back of an 80 year old. Got allergy shots every month for years too. At 49 I now feel younger than back in my mid-30's when I was always in pain and sick... and consistently at the doctor's office or hospital.
I've been watching many vegan, paleo and carnivore related videos trying to see if any of them can assist with my own health issues. It seems there are studies and interpretations to support all view points, without any definite conclusions. I say eat whatever works for you and don't judge others for their choices. I'm speaking here purely from a health perspective and not an ecological or moral one.
Oh my. I had no idea people were still taking her seriously.
Yeah knock her down Mic!
Kyla Szweety i wonder if you can name a single civilization in all of human history that was vegan, I'll help zero! veganism only came about because of meat eaters, opportunistic humans in history ate whatever they could if they the advent of agricultural was so nutrient fulfilling eveyone would have become vegan it would be safer and easier. so why didn't they
vonick1 Boring ass appeal to tradition, stfu
Kyla Szweety haha that was too easy
Kyla Szweety i love how crazy people get when ypu make a coment
vonick1 Yes I am being so crazy wow. You are good man.
Something that Keith points out, and I've experienced as a gardener, is that soil fertility is increased by animal-derived amendments like manure, bone ash, blood meal, etc. Soil loves dead things and grazers. Animals are part of building a healthy, natural soil.
Like worms, insects that live in it, birds that fly over it and use it as a litter box, mules, no good idea to put rotting corpses in your garden, that's dangerous for your health. Compst from organic plant food waste is very good, no need to sh.. in your own garden.
Compost :)
Why would these animal products need to be eliminated ? Animals die all the time of old age or whatever . Bone and blood meal could still be used and nothing wrong with using cow poop for manure .
Respect your proper citation, keep up the good work!
I absolutely love this guy, because he is so calm and polite and always gets his pount across. Plus, he uses actual science and studies that weren't funded by the animal agriculture industry.
He's already mocking her in the first minute. This guy is an activist, what they call a useful idiot. 96% of covid deaths were vitamin d deficient, which all vegans are deficient in, because cholesterol is required to produce hormones like testosterone and vitamin d. You want to subdue a nation, simply turn all the males beta.
@@jimcricket1 I'm really struggling with all this. I consume eggs, fish and meat. I have given up dairy. I'm currently reading her book. There are some holes in it. She is also a radical feminist to the point of blaming men for everything and assuming how all men will behave which is BS. I am looking to do what is morally correct in accordance with this issue. I buy grass-fed meats and pasture raised eggs. I have experimented with vegan alternatives and I find that the majority of them are full of unhealthy oils. Her arguments against agriculture are somewhat convincing. It seems local permaculture farms are key but also we all have to consume less perhaps. There is so much conflicting info related to this topic it seems the only way to know for yourself is to experiment on your own self. Idk, I'm exasperated.
@@TheJakecakes it's confusing by design. There's a few documentaries like FAT and FAT 2 by Vinnie Torturich, Fat Fiction and The Magic Pill, I researched the doctors in them and read their books, like Dr. Eric Westman professor at Duke, or Professor Tim Noakes, author of Lore of Running, also books by science journalists Gary Taubes and Nina Teicholz' Big Fat Lie. I commented here because ranchers are not the lobbyists or propagandists, the lobbyists and liars are big pharma and big food, mainly monsanto and corn, wheat, soy and seed oil manufacturers. I just happened to be watching this now. ruclips.net/video/k7_uiydVGBA/видео.html
@@TheJakecakes another former vegan, not an activist but a victim of vegan activist propaganda. ruclips.net/video/_O6MdUkD7gw/видео.html
@@jimcricket1 Yes I agree on who the liars are. Thank you very much for the recommendations. I will continue to research. Have you seen the documentary The FDA cult of tyranny? Another good insight into the beaucratic revolving door between government, big Ag and big Pharma. We are living in quite a twisted mess.
I find natto to be delicious. My girlfriend tried to prank me by making me try "gross" natto and I've been hooked since... I even managed to somehow get her to like it too 😆
It's pretty good. I mix in rice. Hard to find the organic kind made in the US though.
* Googles Natto *
i love it, never got why people hate on it. It's fermented soybeans, they're fine
Yeah, it's a nutty cheesy flavor. The worst part is the sticky slimy spider webby strands that slide off of it. You have to work on your eating technique to keep your face from being covered with natto spider webs, but after that it's fine.
Dude, I died when you impersonated the woman interviewer! So funny
Oh no, we can't digest cellulose. Fortunately, our gut flora can.
Ikr we even have a cecum that does nothing but digest cellulose. Like why would we even have a cecum?
She also failed the mention that we mechanically open the cell walls of plant foods with our teeth, thereby exposing the proteins of which we digest just fine. I absolutely can't stand liars and sleight-of-hand charlatans like her.
I was vegetarian for 2 years and vegan for another year... didn't work, my teeth were rotten, my skin eas every day worse. Maybe there are people who have no problems being vegans... I do...
Bless you fro trying and I’m sorry it didn’t work BUT .. just make sure you go vegan the right way and get all the right vitamins it WILL work, speak to any good doctor or go to any good nutrition specialist .. it’s worth it 🙏🏻
Perhaps you should have brushed your teeth 😜😂
So the cows have these nutrients in their flesh, and they eat plants. But we don't have these in our bodies when we eat plants. Where do they get it, lady?
Seriously? Just wow. Are you seriously that ignorant? Cows and other ruminants are designed to eat cellulose, and turn it in to protein. We, cannot do that, therefore we are not Herbivores, Okay?!
They have the digestive systems to break it down, moron. We don't. Read a fucking book.
Gillian G so how the fuck are vegan athletes sprouting up everywhere?? How come I'm a better athlete now than Ive ever been being vegan? I should have run out of protein a long time ago.
@@G2thesecondpower There are amino acids in plants.... not just cellulose... 😂😂
@@01amare
Because they're lying for attention or haven't been vegan long enough to see the negative effects.
When one talks in absolutes, they should be highly scrutinized. Great job, Mic!
every vegan talks in absolutes.
i almost laughed wen i heard she still drank n ate dairy products, I have been vegan for year but had a hard time gettin on n dairy was the one thing that i was able 2 cut permanently, all because how drasticlly my health changed from gettin rid of dairy alone
WHAT!?!? Who the hell is this woman? Jk, I don’t really care who she is because she’s LYING.
Ug. I’m so depressed.
So glad to see her crap be buried finally. She and her false calms have needed to be debunked for a too long. Great job Mic.
I had hyperglycemia until I went vegan ? I don't know what she is smoking
Anecdotal. No telling what you were eating before going vegan.
But this book is not mainly about health, the far more important point made in the book is about the planet but you don't even touch on that. Heard about what she writes before and it makes sense to me, more sense than veganism, to save this planet. That was my main reason for quittung veganism but my health actually declined on a (healthy) vegan diet with supplements as well - without me even connecting it to my diet, just after I changed my diet and my joints suddenly stopped aching. Might not happen to everyone.🤷♀️ Please read the book, people.. Mic just does cherry picking and says things she never said she supports such as factory dairy farming for example.
Um she doesn't understand agricultural science, what she thinks she understands is utterly outdated. You need to actually research the best diet for the planet. It's vegetarian or vegan across the board. Grazed and Confused completely refutes what she claims about ruminants. I'll take Harvard and Oxford over an angry lesbian living in a cave man fantasy world.
@@christinash2235 no, the best diet is growing your own food using permaculture principles. Animals are required for sustainable food production, Mic is lying about veganics, research it for yourself, it's myth. I mean you CAN do it, of course, but the off-site inputs are huge, it requires far more land and energy than integrated regenerative agriculture.
Because he can't argue with that part
I hate when people say ancient people didn't get sick for whatever reason. What are you basing this off of ? Like whaaat animals get sick, it happens.
8bitmagic I
What are people basing it off of?? How about all the research that was done. Look it up. Good grief. Stop being lazy.
Thank you sir, you're doing such good work. I'm not a very good talker. Someone says something with conviction, and I just start tripping over my words. I forget all the numbers, all the sources. So I thank you for fighting against misinformation, for those of us who suck at it.
I hear that I’m the same, we need amazing people like this RESPECT 🙏🏻
He's basically wrong though
It's obvious from watching this that you did not read the book. Several of the items you addressed were well-covered in the book, with more detailed, thoughtful coverage. There are many credible doctors that address issues of nutrition, faulty studies, environmental harms, and many other issues related to this topic that, without reading her book, validate much of what she says. We all like to live in our confirmation bias bubble. I've lived with that confirmation bias bubble in one way or another most of my life. I ran across your video and wanted to see what you had to say. I'm trying to avoid another confirmation bias bubble here. I was immediately clued into the bent of your video because of the way you initially framed the issue. When I started seeing you address topics she'd covered, without addressing her points, I could tell you haven't read the book. Read the book, look at qualified doctors who are sharing the same view about diet as Lierre, study what they say, check your studies for their validity and soundness, then come back and debunk. Then I will watch your new video and take note of what you have to say. Fwiw, you are confirming one of her points about what the vegan diet does to people's thinking and emotional responses.
Well said. I too watched this to expose myself to possible quality counterarguments and avoid confirmation bias. Alas, this is nothing more than an emotional response that is akin to watching an adolescent tantrum. I am accustomed to reading and listening to lectures delivered by nutrition scientists and health professionals who choose studies with great care, always citing when they are randomised control trials or mere epidemiology (which this person seems to use a lot of, and his counter arguments are therefore not reliable). It has also been established by many that conclusions about longevity and health from studies on the Seventh Day Adventists' vegetarian lifestyle do not stand up when compared to the similar but meat-eating Mormans who also live long healthy lives. Further, the WHO's very poor reference to a number of irrelevant studies - many of which are epidemiological- and it’s disregard for other studies, has also received much spurious criticism from top scientists in recent times. This information is all freely available on the internet and indeed RUclips. I think I’ll stick with listening to actual nutrition science rather than social media influencers from here on. This man is unconvincing from a scientific standpoint. Someone like Zoe Harcombe would discredit him in mere seconds. It is unfortunate he seems to have so much influence as people's health is at stake.
@@fairywrenfarm6212 I think your critisms are fair but i dont see how the SDA study is "debunked" by citing the mormon study. At best it proves that both vegans and meat eaters can live similarly long lives and that full veganism is a choice from a health standpint.
It really is a cult... well intentioned people but they are utterly delusional. This book is absolutely phenomenal, if any had actually read it -- and any degree of intellectual integrity were present -- then none of these dumpster juice comments here on this thread would be associated with the book or its author.
What is truly sad is there are people out there that are just like the persotheren interviewing her and totally believe her!! And will not go and research for themselves :(
Just like most vegans just jump train and blindly believe everything they are told. Truly sad.
I'm not sure why you say she's attacking anyone. She says that she thinks vegan/vegetarian values are ethical in that many of you want to do what's right for the planet, as does she. She simply sees the vegetarian way of going about it as incorrect. Her main problem seems to be with agriculture, and I get that. If done with crop rotation and animals to restore the soil, it's not a huge problem, but when done in the industrialized way we do it it now, it's destructive.
Ethical veganism is a religion so any critique of it is responded unfavorably by its proponents.
Crazy lady. Yes people love to hear good news about what’s bad for them! Like E- cigarettes being safer than standard ones ROTFLMAO
Hey Mic. I just wanted to say thank you for doing this. I just started being vegan maybe a week or two ago. You have been a really big help steering my family and I in the right vegan direction. I really appreciate that you give us studies, you give us the real science. Not only that your tips and tricks are awesome! Please keep doing what your doing and thank you again!
How to debunk the vegetarian myth with one word.
India.
Only 15-20% of India is vegetarian. I suggest you learn more about India because a lot of people there eat meat.
Thomas White you realize there’s over a billion people there right
@@LargerThanCats 15% of the population of India is a lot of people.
@@kx7500 The country having a lot of people doesn't mean anything. People in India still eat meat, lots of Indians eat meat. The entire country is not vegetarian. Human beings can survive on almost anything.
@Etevaldo Skylab Their ancestors were not all vegetarian, sorry to burst your bubble.
Hell yes!! Thank you! I truly hope that Lierre, who claims to simply desire the truth (as she says throughout her book), will watch this short video and respond with actual humility when presented with truth.
How exactly? He didn't refute any of the main claims in the book.
I love how he never even looked at the fact on how agriculture destroys the environment and kills animals. And all so sites from studies. That's are decades old
Livestock covers 45% of the earth’s total land
Livestock or livestock feed occupies 1/3 of the earth’s ice-free land.
Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, water pollution, and habitat destruction
Livestock operations on land have created more than 500 nitrogen flooded deadzones around the world in our oceans
2-5 acres of land are used per cow
Nearly half of the contiguous US is devoted to animal agriculture
1/3 of the planet is desertified, with livestock as the leading driver.
He chooses to ignore all the facts about how agriculture has been the worst mistake in Homo sapiens history.
As a nurse and health care screener, I completely acknowledge that veganism can be healthy but it does take effort and meal planning. Most of the "vegans" I meet skip most veggies, eat little fruit and just eat grains. They do NOT do well on their screening results and are frequently overweight and pre-diabetic. I tell them vegan and vegetarian both start with the word vegetable and that needs to be their primary food source. Find balanced meal plans or track your foods with nutrient apps or websites. Cookies and french fries are vegan but not healthy.
That's literally the same recommendation for anyone. Eat your fruit and veggies. Of course, you're never going to meet a healthy vegan in your line of work. Why would a healthy vegan go to the hospital unless they were in an accident or maybe some other congenital condition? If you look at the data, it consistently shows that those who eat meat have higher BMIs are have more cases of diabetes and heart disease.
It's funny because I was in hospital for neurological reasons and all the nurses were shocked at how perfect my blood results were and couldn't believe I was plant-based for 2 years. But as Tim said, I plan my meals accordingly and since that incident I have eliminated virtually all dairy, oils and processed foods.
@@chadrandazzo2305 well i have never been vegan, am 63, with blood pressure of 110/65, cycle approximately 250-300kms a week and could not do that unless i have nutrient dense meat
@@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard Yes, i know a very good nutritionalist who says the people she sees who have the biggest problems with health, their diet, are VEGANS..you need a science degree to "get it right", where normal people just eat. simple really
@@gervasebarnes Why do you say that? You do understand there are vegan top athletes now, right?
Too easy too debunked!!! Phenomenal job Mic
She was never vegan and she is not a feminist lmao
She is a fraud
Old comment...but, you're right, she is not a feminist- she's a RADICAL feminist- aka a misandrist. Just being male in her eyes makes you the enemy. Girl has issues.
thank you thank you thank you !!!!!
Lisa Morelli Daly ruclips.net/video/fi5R5yfJ88Y/видео.html you're welcome