Couple things on this -- HE bombs for Enterprise makes sense. It was primarily fires from the American bombers that decided the Battle of Midway (go read the story of the Akagi sometime). Also, good to see SBD Dauntless dive bombers and TBF Avenger torpedo bombers -- true to history. I still do not understand why those SBDs are dropping like 5-6 bombs apiece. Either one 1,000-lb bomb or two 500-lb bombs -- and basically the 500-lb bombs were never used in service. The whole idea of dive bombing is to deliver a single bomb in a relatively accurate attack, like a precision strike -- hence the long dive to the target.
@@thunderduckie9061 I’m not looking for a historical naval battle simulator, i just don’t like when it seems to intentionally defy logic for no reason. At least make it make sense. If you can make it more accurate and fun, well, so much the better.
Since on average the hybrids use dive bomber I can see them. Kearsarge uses attack squadrons. I to want Kearsarge but I wonder if she will retain her unique style.
Even though I'm a history nerd, I don't mind the idea of "hybrid battleships." Actually they arguably make more sense in a game like this than regular carriers do, because no carrier skipper in their right mind would ever willingly get within 50 nautical miles of an enemy ship. At least these hybrids exist in the sort of alternate reality where carriers would be expected to also participate in direct surface combat. The biggest issue for me is going to be the infinite plane regeneration, because even the most generous carrier hybrid design could carry maybe a squadron or two of aircraft, *total* -- the reason these ships were never built was because you either were intentionally building a bad battleship or a bad aircraft carrier.
Though wouldn’t the low squadron count kinda outweigh the regen ability? As if it were to have a single squadron of each then especially with the increase in aa build’s they probably won’t get a full three runs before most of the squadron is destroyed or having to return. Plus I don’t see them having the auto navigate function like full carriers so focusing too much on the carrier aspect risks getting caught at an unfavourable angle and conversely if they ignore the battleship and try going full carrier they won’t be doing much to help the team due to waiting for replenishment or returns.
Oh great first they bring around carriers. They have secondaries to deter destroyers then they bring out a cruiser that can launch an airstrike and now they want battleships with airstrikes. This might be the beginning of the end for me.
Original Xbox one gets phased out this year for games coming to it. It was their excuse to not release subs due to older consoles. Idk if PlayStation will do the same thing and phase out the older console. Once they do then subs will probably come.
For added context. Live service games available to the Xbox one x and s will continue to be supported for the life of the games such as sea of thieves and minecraft.
PC only has one hybrid tech tree line, which is the US hybrid battleships. Evey other hybrid on PC is a premium (Ise, Tone, Halford, and a new Russian Cruiser)
Here’s how I would want/prefer this playing out: The Hybrid BBs planes are similar to the Dutch airstrikes, but maybe stack 5 instead of 3. It all depends how they’re implemented, like you said. I hate to say it or over exaggerate, but given this last update, if these hybrid BBs are implemented terribly, I could really seeing it be the nail in the coffin. I love the D7P, thinks it’s balanced really well and an interesting, fun little ship. But the CV rework, and the back to back plane/CV focused updates have a big chunk of the player base’s patience waning with Wargaming. I get it, u paid to have them implemented and need to see return on that, but at some point just count your losses and move on, some planes are ok, I get it, but please don’t make it world of planes. Like u said tho, if implemented the right way maybe these things are essentially BBs capable of dealing with island camping HE spam, who knows 🤷🏻♂️
Well I will say the 2 ISE sisters of the IJN where converted to hybrid carriers so they did exist and let’s kearsarge was designed and intended originally to be sold to the soviets before being taken over by the us navy and ultimately abandoned as an idea.
Japan had a couple hybrid carrier battleships during the war. Not sure how effective they were though. They rebuilt two, Ise and Hyūga into hybrids by removing the two rear turrets.
American hybrid battleship aircraft carriers did not exist but when the Japanese were losing in the Pacific, they did convert two of their battleships into hybrids. They didn’t do much but those ones existed.
Pc player here. I like dropping in on legends content every once in awhile. Be prepared for a new level of potato with the hybrid ships. Lots of players tried to play them like carriers. Sit behind an isalnd and just send planes every few minutes and never fire main guns. It was hilarious. Eventually players figure it out.
So you don't think these will make players sit behind islands and only engage planes? Cue in fail music now.... So broken CVs means let's put in more planes??? Does no one love the close quarters combat?
If that's the case we should have gotten pan european battleships but nope just one premium or we should have gotten the Dutch cruisers but I doubt we get. All we get is premiums which is starting get annoying we need more tech lines
Funny thing is people who push for this dumb shit and are like this is gonna be FUN looks cool etc... end up being the same people bitching and moaning bout it a week later.... if yall wanna fly fighter planes I hear Ace Combat is FUUUNNNNNN and COOOOL 🫡
They have been telegraphing Hybrid BBs for a long time some of the none hybrid commanders have skills for AP bombs and torps for nations whos bbs have none, so yes this was fore told a long time ago. So mark my words subs well come to this game, just watch. Now the ships shown from left to right, is Nebraska tier 8 so 7 console, next thier 9 so 8 console, and Louisiana tier 10 so the Legandary ship console, Now I think its not the full line I think Nebraska well be downed tier 6, so Delaware at tier 7, why this change easy PC has two tier 9 Hybrids the other is Kearsarge so that well be the 8 maybe, with Louisiana the Legendary ship to buy or already in the bureau, Now I could be wrong and Kearsarge could be this campain,
Wow man out of this many ships that they could of add they decided to add the most stupid and useless type of ships instead of kremlin and many others really disappointed in this update
You guys never cease to entertain me. "Waa waa Aircraft carriers are too powerful", "They ruin the game". Oh but have them with battleship guns and the community goes "ohhh cool"
Enterprise’s dive bombers were Helldiver bombers. Generally they carried 1x 500lbs bomb and 2x 250lbs bombs. A triple bomb drop isn’t too far out of the question. Ngl, excited for the Hybrid ships.
War gaming is missing the point of fun. With Japanese carriers I have a lot of fun diving hard and deep towards the deck and traveling up to deliver; at tier 3, but at tier 5 all the fun falls apart cuz all the planes disappear by the time I’m near the deck. They need to maintain some consistency for each nations carriers. And increase the xp a bit
Where the heck are the hybrid boxes you buy for Independium? No big or small anywhere. Don't care. What you content creators say, WOW is dying on consoles.
Игры
Oh my god I just wrote “Imagine if the add the Louisiana line” in pG’s stream like 3-4 days ago hello ?😂
Lol Louisiana state anthem intensifies.
This smells of Belkan engineering
Ave Belka, the nukes were justified
My fave games
If it was Yukitubanian the fleet was going to start shooting each other
Couple things on this -- HE bombs for Enterprise makes sense. It was primarily fires from the American bombers that decided the Battle of Midway (go read the story of the Akagi sometime). Also, good to see SBD Dauntless dive bombers and TBF Avenger torpedo bombers -- true to history. I still do not understand why those SBDs are dropping like 5-6 bombs apiece. Either one 1,000-lb bomb or two 500-lb bombs -- and basically the 500-lb bombs were never used in service. The whole idea of dive bombing is to deliver a single bomb in a relatively accurate attack, like a precision strike -- hence the long dive to the target.
those are not SBDs, those are SB2Cs, though the torpedo bombers are avengers
Are you really looking at this game for historical accuracy??
@@thunderduckie9061 I’m not looking for a historical naval battle simulator, i just don’t like when it seems to intentionally defy logic for no reason. At least make it make sense. If you can make it more accurate and fun, well, so much the better.
I don’t see this ending well. Especially with the broken carriers having unlimited planes.
Would love to see this lead to Yamatos final sister ship, Shinano, but instead if being fully converted, we get a half converted abomination 😂
I actually expected Ise before Kearsarge, then Kearsarge. Then the full line myself. Tone is a hybrid IJN cruiser but she's a premium
I really do wonder if they'll go back and give Ise her Hybrid configuration, or pretend it doesn't exist for like say, 9 months
Hybrid BB`s...sigh...someone's dosing the devs with LSD
Since on average the hybrids use dive bomber I can see them. Kearsarge uses attack squadrons. I to want Kearsarge but I wonder if she will retain her unique style.
They are highlighting the carrier and the battleship to tell you what’s coming in the end
The Japanese navy actually did have a couple of hybrid battleship/carriers, so they are not a complete fantasy.
ISE
late Ise and Hyuga, early Akagi and Kaga... plus late Mogami
how american do we want the update
Wargaming : YES !!!!!!!!
Even though I'm a history nerd, I don't mind the idea of "hybrid battleships." Actually they arguably make more sense in a game like this than regular carriers do, because no carrier skipper in their right mind would ever willingly get within 50 nautical miles of an enemy ship. At least these hybrids exist in the sort of alternate reality where carriers would be expected to also participate in direct surface combat. The biggest issue for me is going to be the infinite plane regeneration, because even the most generous carrier hybrid design could carry maybe a squadron or two of aircraft, *total* -- the reason these ships were never built was because you either were intentionally building a bad battleship or a bad aircraft carrier.
If they were gonna go that route they probably should’ve started with Ise-y’know, an actual hybrid BBV
Though wouldn’t the low squadron count kinda outweigh the regen ability? As if it were to have a single squadron of each then especially with the increase in aa build’s they probably won’t get a full three runs before most of the squadron is destroyed or having to return. Plus I don’t see them having the auto navigate function like full carriers so focusing too much on the carrier aspect risks getting caught at an unfavourable angle and conversely if they ignore the battleship and try going full carrier they won’t be doing much to help the team due to waiting for replenishment or returns.
The Japanese tried battle carries. Did not work well. Wonder if you can put the main guns in auto aim like secondarys?.
Thanks for the insights, Tommy!
Oh great first they bring around carriers. They have secondaries to deter destroyers then they bring out a cruiser that can launch an airstrike and now they want battleships with airstrikes. This might be the beginning of the end for me.
God I love it when you bring that energy! Let's go vibes check!
Hybrids.....oh.... fakmylife
You don't know how much i held back making a comment on your last video when you said "we pretty much know everything coming out next update" lol
It smells of desperation. Subs are likely closer than I thought 😢
Original Xbox one gets phased out this year for games coming to it. It was their excuse to not release subs due to older consoles. Idk if PlayStation will do the same thing and phase out the older console. Once they do then subs will probably come.
For added context. Live service games available to the Xbox one x and s will continue to be supported for the life of the games such as sea of thieves and minecraft.
Is that Rhode Island with the double quad turret in the front?? 🤩🤩🇺🇸 (could just be a new skin for Florida 😓)
Nobody noticed that enterprise dropped 3 ap bombs, two overpenned and one scored a cidatel hit on that Carrier
I was waiting for your video on this!
Ps. thats a nice fackin shirt!
PC only has one hybrid tech tree line, which is the US hybrid battleships. Evey other hybrid on PC is a premium (Ise, Tone, Halford, and a new Russian Cruiser)
Here’s how I would want/prefer this playing out:
The Hybrid BBs planes are similar to the Dutch airstrikes, but maybe stack 5 instead of 3.
It all depends how they’re implemented, like you said.
I hate to say it or over exaggerate, but given this last update, if these hybrid BBs are implemented terribly, I could really seeing it be the nail in the coffin. I love the D7P, thinks it’s balanced really well and an interesting, fun little ship. But the CV rework, and the back to back plane/CV focused updates have a big chunk of the player base’s patience waning with Wargaming. I get it, u paid to have them implemented and need to see return on that, but at some point just count your losses and move on, some planes are ok, I get it, but please don’t make it world of planes. Like u said tho, if implemented the right way maybe these things are essentially BBs capable of dealing with island camping HE spam, who knows 🤷🏻♂️
Well I will say the 2 ISE sisters of the IJN where converted to hybrid carriers so they did exist and let’s kearsarge was designed and intended originally to be sold to the soviets before being taken over by the us navy and ultimately abandoned as an idea.
Kearsarge hype!!!
Japan had a couple hybrid carrier battleships during the war. Not sure how effective they were though. They rebuilt two, Ise and Hyūga into hybrids by removing the two rear turrets.
yep another reason the carriers got rework because of this and Enterprise
American hybrid battleship aircraft carriers did not exist but when the Japanese were losing in the Pacific, they did convert two of their battleships into hybrids. They didn’t do much but those ones existed.
I keep telling myself, "we're not getting subs, we're not getting subs,...." with this update
"We might get subs..."
Same as much as I don’t want them
They did test this, that 7 ship we just got is the premium test.
De 7 was probably the test ship bc they’re not supposed to be the same as PC
Pc player here. I like dropping in on legends content every once in awhile. Be prepared for a new level of potato with the hybrid ships. Lots of players tried to play them like carriers. Sit behind an isalnd and just send planes every few minutes and never fire main guns. It was hilarious. Eventually players figure it out.
So you don't think these will make players sit behind islands and only engage planes? Cue in fail music now.... So broken CVs means let's put in more planes??? Does no one love the close quarters combat?
And here comes the mass exodus
What a week to go on vacation lol
Next thing you know we’ll be getting subs
If that's the case we should have gotten pan european battleships but nope just one premium or we should have gotten the Dutch cruisers but I doubt we get. All we get is premiums which is starting get annoying we need more tech lines
Funny thing is people who push for this dumb shit and are like this is gonna be FUN looks cool etc... end up being the same people bitching and moaning bout it a week later.... if yall wanna fly fighter planes I hear Ace Combat is FUUUNNNNNN and COOOOL 🫡
I’m ready, we’re ready, vacation lol
SpongeBob
None of those are Kearsarge
They cant released the Kiersarge for a simple reason:
Rockets.
No thanks to hybrids
Hi
They have been telegraphing Hybrid BBs for a long time some of the none hybrid commanders have skills for AP bombs and torps for nations whos bbs have none, so yes this was fore told a long time ago. So mark my words subs well come to this game, just watch.
Now the ships shown from left to right, is Nebraska tier 8 so 7 console, next thier 9 so 8 console, and Louisiana tier 10 so the Legandary ship console,
Now I think its not the full line I think Nebraska well be downed tier 6, so Delaware at tier 7, why this change easy PC has two tier 9 Hybrids the other is Kearsarge so that well be the 8 maybe, with Louisiana the Legendary ship to buy or already in the bureau,
Now I could be wrong and Kearsarge could be this campain,
😮🤔🥰
I knew it.. lolz
SO IS THE TONE COMING FOR THE JAPANESE
I would love if anybody could join my Fleet K1 we would love the support and help
Just like on p.c nobody wants them
Wow man out of this many ships that they could of add they decided to add the most stupid and useless type of ships instead of kremlin and many others really disappointed in this update
You guys never cease to entertain me. "Waa waa Aircraft carriers are too powerful", "They ruin the game". Oh but have them with battleship guns and the community goes "ohhh cool"
Ise? Yes please. Kearsarge? No thanks.
I wish we had Kremlin tbh
Jus what we need BBs acting like a bunch of Provinciens sitting behind islands
I don't swear and F F F hybrid ships that is what destroyed PC wows not subs I really really enjoy this game please don't do this wargaming 😢
I am excited about The Grey Ghost.
Enterprise’s dive bombers were Helldiver bombers. Generally they carried 1x 500lbs bomb and 2x 250lbs bombs. A triple bomb drop isn’t too far out of the question.
Ngl, excited for the Hybrid ships.
Ijn Ise hopefully soon
I love D7P so these should be fun as well! Thanks for the info and enjoy your vacay
Lmfao I actually said I wanted the kearsarge the other day in stream.
War gaming is missing the point of fun. With Japanese carriers I have a lot of fun diving hard and deep towards the deck and traveling up to deliver; at tier 3, but at tier 5 all the fun falls apart cuz all the planes disappear by the time I’m near the deck. They need to maintain some consistency for each nations carriers. And increase the xp a bit
Why are you trying to decipher the video so literally? it's just a video! It's not a reveal for anything,. 😆
The number of people who have already said “I quit the game” in the Reddit 😂
for good reason
I’ve been wanting these on legends for a while,it’ll be fun watching them get dev struck from superstructure damage from confused players
*Owari Da! - AL USS Enterprise*
Heck yeah they need to mix stuff up. In a perfect world they would have nation vs nation battles also
Guess subs are still a way off.
Where the heck are the hybrid boxes you buy for Independium? No big or small anywhere. Don't care. What you content creators say, WOW is dying on consoles.
Next thing you know we’ll be getting subs
Next thing you know we’ll be getting subs