High King Ereinion Gil-galad - Epic Character History

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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2017
  • Gil-galad is an Elf in Tolkien's legendarium who saved Middle-Earth during the Second Age, and inspired many heroes for years to come. I hope you all enjoy this video and let me know your thoughts down below! A big thanks to you all and to all of the online artists whose works are featured in this video!
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Комментарии • 543

  • @Richie_Godsil
    @Richie_Godsil 6 лет назад +813

    Kudos for unironically singing the music from the Legendarium, I would not have the balls to attempt that, let alone present it to RUclips. You're a braver man than I, sir

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  6 лет назад +97

      Richie Godsil Thank you so much haha. It is tough, but I was a stage actor for five years and try not to let those comments get to me. Have a great day or night sir!

    • @sma94
      @sma94 6 лет назад +20

      Hehe so nerdly but awesome to see your passion for something so epic and interesting

    • @Ramidemi710
      @Ramidemi710 5 лет назад +8

      @Conan 1812 He barely hit a note, lets not kid ourselves.

    • @Schugger1
      @Schugger1 5 лет назад +8

      I think there is no better way to start and end a video about the last Noldor High King in Middle earth with singing. Well done!

    • @Throku
      @Throku 5 лет назад +2

      ruclips.net/video/HUPFwrmgLvQ/видео.html

  • @vats1955
    @vats1955 5 лет назад +60

    Personally, I love your singing. Music is such an integral part in Tolkien's legendarium; all his characters sing songs, even the Hobbits like Merry or Sam, and I'm sure most of the characters who do so in the books weren't trained singers, but amateurs. In the days before the radio or the Internet when music wasn't readily available, people used to sing all the time and didn't care so much whether it sounded good or not. It was way more natural back then, and I'm sure Tolkien intended to catch this spirit :)

    • @toddkurzbard
      @toddkurzbard Год назад +1

      It is also reminiscent of middle ages singing of past legendary great heroes by those who venerate them.

  • @TheRealPuffiP
    @TheRealPuffiP 6 лет назад +290

    And a detail about gil galad is that he was strong enough to exchange blows with sauron himself and the only reason he really lost is because sauron basic burnt him alive

    • @tadpole8726
      @tadpole8726 6 лет назад +17

      ouch

    • @enriquerangelarguelles8564
      @enriquerangelarguelles8564 3 года назад +22

      Actually King Gil-Galad and King Elendil defeated Sauron, but died too from the grave injuries they received.

    • @anatoldenevers237
      @anatoldenevers237 3 года назад +6

      Enrique Rangel Argüelles the impression I had was that they died first, and Sauron was dying of his wounds when Isildur cut off the Ring

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 года назад +2

      @@enriquerangelarguelles8564
      Sauron defeated them*
      They died first lol

    • @whentheyes4076
      @whentheyes4076 3 года назад +3

      @@enriquerangelarguelles8564 Elendil died from injuries, Sauron cheated when fighting Gil galad. He used fire

  • @MenoftheWest
    @MenoftheWest  6 лет назад +246

    Hey everyone! I wanted to apologize for the audio jump at 9:21. I said: "During the siege of Barad-Dur, Elendil and Gil-Galad met Sauron face to face in a duel. Elendil with..." Also, I'm not sure why there really is controversy on this, but I'll address it. I am sorry if you guys don't like my singing, but it is the best way that I can honour the songs that Tolkien has created. It will still happen when needed in videos, and I hope that is alright with you all. If it is a part of the legendarium, I won't filter it. Anyways, thank you all for watching, have a good one!

    • @ultraelite8281
      @ultraelite8281 6 лет назад +10

      Men of the West great video! Can you please make a character history on beorn the skin changer.

    • @AudieHolland
      @AudieHolland 6 лет назад +13

      I don't mind your singing. May I ask where you got the melodies from?

    • @aexodus3697
      @aexodus3697 6 лет назад +3

      Men of the West Bit random, but where does the name Yostan come from?

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  6 лет назад +6

      Thank you! I come up with them on my own generally, though I have just listened to the audiobook where the speaker sings as well. I'm not sure if my Gil-Galad melody sounded like his and it passively came to me in my mind, but I always try to make them original!

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  6 лет назад +3

      Yoystan is my main and favorite character in Lord of the Rings Online, so I put made it my name here. Good question!

  • @ShadowShroud7
    @ShadowShroud7 6 лет назад +143

    There is another problem with Orodreth as Gil-galad's father.
    As Chris Tolkien himself said, rewriting everything regarding Orodreth would require a major rehaul and he felt it was best to leave Gil-galad's parentage ambiguous.
    For example, the Silmarillion has Fingon send his son Gil-galad to Cirdan's Falathrim harbors for safety after the Dagor Bragollach. This makes sense as Fingon was High-King and lived in Hithlum which was the northern most noldor realm in Beleriand and closest to Angband. He clearly sent his young son (assumeably still a child by elven standards) further from danger towards a safe refuge where he could be taken to safety by sea if things go badly. (Which is what happened after the Battle of Endless Tears).
    However, if we go with the version where Orodreth is Gil-galad's father and sent his son to the harbors, that makes no sense. Nargothrond was specifically noted as one of the most secure locations in the Noldor realms and it's location was hidden. Why would Orodreth send his son to a location that's less safe? Furthermore, if Gil-galad stayed in Nargothrond instead then where was Gil-galad during the tales of Turin? Did he fight in the battle against Glaurang? How did he survive and evade capture when Nargothrond was taken? Wouldn't he try to rescue his assumed sister Finduilas? Did he interact with or talk to Turin?
    I'm sticking with the Silmarillion version personally, it makes more sense and doesn't require any mental gymnastics for it to make sense. The only issue with it is explaining how Turgon became high king before Gil-galad though perhaps elven succession isn't the exact same as human. It's possible that Turgon was assumed as high-king because he was the senior most surviving male of the line of Fingolfin.

    • @jonathanho5879
      @jonathanho5879 5 лет назад +7

      Gil-galad could also have been sent to Eglarest and Brithombar if he was Orodreth’s son. Orodreth was in charge of Minas Tirith, which basically is easiest attacked by Morgoth save Dorthonion and Barad Eithel.
      I believe that the High Kingship is descended from son to son. If Gil-galad was Fingon’s son, wouldn’t he have the High Kingship? Since the death of Turgon there are no direct male heirs of Finwë save for Gil-galad, he took up the High Kingship.

    • @ATANAMIR
      @ATANAMIR 5 лет назад +3

      ShadowShroud7 exactly going with Fingon side he was the High King

    • @uuuueber
      @uuuueber 4 года назад +14

      ShadowShroud7 I agree with you, Gil-Galad being Fingon’s son make more sense and is much more interesting as there seems to be many similarities between him and Fingon & Fingolfin. I like to imagine Turgon became King because it was planned to keep Gil-Galad‘s existence a secrete from Morgoth

    • @shawnn7502
      @shawnn7502 4 года назад +2

      Great point. If Gil-Galad was Orodreth's son, he would have been at Nargothrond, and Turin's story would be different.
      I believe the only reason Turgon was called High King, briefly in The Silmarillion, is because Turgon was called the High King in the original story of the Fall of Gondolin, and that story was just too important to change much, even if it wasn't entirely consistent with the other works. This is also seen with the death of two balrogs in the same story, when they are nearly indestructible throughout the Legendarium otherwise.

    • @shawnn7502
      @shawnn7502 4 года назад +1

      @@jonathanho5879 Still no reason for Orodreth to not just leave Gil-Galad in Nargothrond, which Morgoth had no knowledge of and therefore was under no threat. Also, after Turgon died, Earendal would be the surviving male heir. There is no reason why the kingship would pass him by to go into the House of Finarfin. So, the last male heir reasoning doesn't wash either. No, Ereinion Gil-Galad was High King because he was the son of Fingon, and Turgon was only High King to suit the telling of the Fall of Gondollin.

  • @alformodoritos2076
    @alformodoritos2076 5 лет назад +55

    One thing to say about Gil-Galad: Badass for fighting Sauron.

    • @anatoldenevers237
      @anatoldenevers237 3 года назад

      Alformo Doritos him and Elendil must have been so hardcore

    • @foxkenji
      @foxkenji 2 года назад

      @@anatoldenevers237 the elves of old were very powerful.

    • @anatoldenevers237
      @anatoldenevers237 2 года назад +2

      @@foxkenji The ancient elves who are still around during the LOTR are so awesome. Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan who's been around basically forever, I love them all

    • @foxkenji
      @foxkenji 2 года назад +1

      @@anatoldenevers237 even their power was diminished and diminishing more. That’s why they couldn’t stay much longer in middle earth. In the third age none of them could’ve gone one-on-one against Sauron like the other elves of old did, never mind the elves that went one-on-one against Morgoth.

    • @anatoldenevers237
      @anatoldenevers237 2 года назад

      @@foxkenji True, but they're still awesome af.

  • @seabass09014
    @seabass09014 6 лет назад +165

    I read the Silmarillion and I forgot so much after a week I'm gonna have to read it again. Did anyone else forget a lot?

    • @seabass09014
      @seabass09014 6 лет назад +18

      It's one of the main reasons I love this channel.

    • @TheEyez187
      @TheEyez187 6 лет назад +34

      I've read 80-90% of Tolkien's work, numerous times, but I'm terrible at remembering it all! Don't feel bad though. You are trying to remember whole histories, bloodlines, geographies and more, of 10's of thousands of years of a whole world and all its civilizations :D I'm an archaeologist and have some practice at that sort of thing and I still really struggle with it.
      It's good though, i means you get to read it again, almost like the first time!!! :D

    • @TheEyez187
      @TheEyez187 6 лет назад +2

      Firstly, by college, you're referring to American University, where you study to graduate with either a Ba/Bsc Bachelor's degree? In the UK we got to college before we go to university; always thought that a weird difference!?!
      I appreciate you acknowledging your subjects "shortcomings" as well as my own. I too had, at times, thought the same of history ,thinking it narrow. Where you would learn about times, dates, the people within those periods and things that happened during, I'd always thought of that as merely scratching the surface. I always thought (not correctly or incorrectly) that archaeology took it to a deeper level; if you'll forgive the pun, we dug a little deeper than history, in to the pre-history; the how and why of the who and the when. Both subjects told what happeneed. But where history (seemingly to me) focused on the who and the when, archaeology focused on the how and the why; if that makes sense. You can study history without ever really touching on archaeology, but archaeology is based within history.
      The study of material culture/artefacts is one aspect of the subject, but it also looked at religious practices, death and burial rites, settlements and structures, the evolution and migration of man and technology and all the transitions of these things between the periods for all civilizations throughout the world for the last million years. Did the majority of your subject fall mainly within the last 500-1000yrs of history for Europe and America? If you don't mind saying, what was your dissertation on?
      I think we're both skimming over the depths of the others subject. I can't decide which way round to put this analogy. One subject wouldl create a solid skeleton whilst the other subject fleshes it out and adds meat/detail..
      I can understand your professor's getting triggered by people using.the term the Viking age, unless you were specifically speaking of Scandinavian history, there never was such a period. The Viking peoples association within European history ran between 793 AD (their first *bloody* incursion in to England at Lindisfarne abbey) up to roughly the end of the 11th century. So period wise they were present during the final 300yrs of the Anglo-Saxon period (starting at 410 AD...) up to around the time of the Norman conquest(...ending 1066 AD; basically 793-1066). I'm fairly good with these periods. My dissertation was *"An analysis of the cultural transition between the Romano-British and Anglo-Saxon periods between 43AD and the 8th century with emphasis on death and burial rites, religious practices and settlements"* It took me a year to come up with my title and then 9 months to write it. Despite that, my real interest in the subject is in the ancient and classical civilizations, particularly Meso-American (Mayan, Inca, Aztec, Olmec Toltec etc) and Egyptian.
      Apologies for the length, both subjects are dear to me, and any apparent craziness is due to it being, damn, 5:34am (yeah right, crazy based solely on time, we wish) and the fact that I'll be damned to re-read what I've written at this time!!! :D
      Chapter 2:
      It was a dark and stormy night when the........... jk >XD

    • @jeremyfryar3424
      @jeremyfryar3424 6 лет назад +3

      My suggestion is to read it and listen to Martin Shaw’s narration of the audiobook. Shaw mispronounces a few names but damn his voice is awesome and I feel you retain the info better

    • @aaronmarkham4424
      @aaronmarkham4424 6 лет назад +1

      Sebastian Velez I've read it at least 7 times now and there are some things like names I cannot remember, there are so many names

  • @serjorahmormont6124
    @serjorahmormont6124 6 лет назад +70

    I don't mind the singing at all. Music is after all one the central themes within Tolkien's works. No shame at all in embracing that. It helps you feel alive in Arda in some manner.

  • @bsmnt23
    @bsmnt23 6 лет назад +38

    Seems like calling your alliance the "Last Alliance" might be kind of a bad idea. Next time you need a team-up everyone will be just standing around looking at each other saying "...Can't. Last one was the Last. We all said so."

    • @fai-pe7oq
      @fai-pe7oq 6 лет назад +5

      I think it was called the last alliance posthumously. Because that would be the last time the elves had the power and numbers to raise a great army alongside men to fight evil.. because after the war the vast majority of the elves left after the deaths of so many, including their last great king Gil-galad.

    • @kyleenglot9184
      @kyleenglot9184 3 года назад

      It was the last alliance because after this battle the elves began to leave middle earth for the Undying Lands. The time of the elves had officially ended with the first defeat of Sauron. While many remained in Middle Earth their power and numbers were few. Elrond had his small population in Imladris/Rivendell, Galadriel still wanted to rule her kingdom in Lorien, and of course there was King Thranduil of the Merkwood elves who weren't ready nor interested in making the journey to Valinor until the end of the 3rd age. Thranduil's people never set on the shores of Valinor even in the first age when the Valar invited the first born to live with them. Some groups were unsure and preferred the familiarity of Middle Earth/Beleriand and remained there which is the elvish population of Thranduil and Legolas.

    • @roryedward2631
      @roryedward2631 2 года назад +2

      ^ those two don't know sarcasm. Lmao

  • @enriquerangelarguelles8564
    @enriquerangelarguelles8564 3 года назад +5

    Although it is now canon that High King Gil-Galad is Orodreth son, I prefer the old version from the Silmarillion that he is Fingon's son. Great video! Keep the good work, mellon 😁

    • @jonasb104
      @jonasb104 2 года назад +1

      Maybe to make the new narrative more appealing to you think of it this way:
      Orodreth is generally portrayed as a weak character, almost overthrown by Celegorm and Curufin in Nargothrond and later being influenced to bad ends by Turin. But Gil-Galad turns this by 180 degrees and proves himself and his family! That message, that greatness doesn't have to come down from other greatness that came before, I realy like that. His father may've been a weak king and his mother just an unnamed Sindar maid, but nonetheless Gil-Galad can keep up with figures like Fingon and Finrod. Just because of himself, not because of inherited strenght and great legacy. And I find that to enrich his character even further instead of just coming from especially renowned forefathers and continuing that trend like a watered down Fingolfin and Fingon.
      Maybe if one looks at it this way, Gil-Galad being a rare example in Tolkiens world of the new surpassing the old for once, one can appreciate this reworked family-tree. I for my part do.

    • @enriquerangelarguelles8564
      @enriquerangelarguelles8564 2 года назад

      @@jonasb104 I could never saw Gil-Galad as watered down descendant from great kings. As a son of Orodreth he is a descendant of another great king and leader. So the argument that he is his own strong character and not a great one because of his ancestors does not work for me. Nevertheless, High King Gil-Galad is a very interesting character.

    • @jonasb104
      @jonasb104 2 года назад +1

      @@enriquerangelarguelles8564 That's also good, I like that you can see past Orodreths shortcomings, since at the same time he was realy wise and was the only one besides his grandfather Finarfin who said that leaving Valinor would be a dumb idea. Maybe he even had the gift of foresight, who knows...

  • @Chammyfan
    @Chammyfan 5 лет назад +21

    Being a fan of the older sons of Fëanor it’s a tad disturbing when you say that Elrond and Elros where held hostage and eventually managed to escape Maedhros and Maglor. In fact, technically, there were held as hostages but that idea petered out and they became more adopted sons of, especially Maglor. An affection grew between them all in the end until Maedhros and Maglor went after the remaining Silmarils to their demise.

  • @peredhilh3444
    @peredhilh3444 6 лет назад +86

    Nice to see one on Gil-Galad! I think the Silmarillion's version is canonically correct however, because if Orodreth was Gil-Galad's father, then Gil-Galad would never have been High King. The kingship belonged to the House of Fingolfin.

  • @SirRavix
    @SirRavix 6 лет назад +23

    I'm so glad I found this channel. I subscribed a few weeks ago and finally leaving my first comment. I love your videos!

  • @hidanrituals8870
    @hidanrituals8870 6 лет назад +2

    This was great! Exactly what i was looking for! Great job on everything

  • @Jeffrikszgaming
    @Jeffrikszgaming 6 лет назад +4

    Awesome video! When I'm home I'll share this on my pages! :D

  • @scottfree2248
    @scottfree2248 6 лет назад

    Loved the video! You did a wonderful job! Loved you singing! It gave the verses a medieval and timeless quality!

  • @117425yt
    @117425yt 6 лет назад +2

    Really good video, as always. Thanks.

  • @manicmechanic1881
    @manicmechanic1881 6 лет назад +8

    incredibly well done

  • @78LedHead
    @78LedHead 4 года назад +1

    Why are so many people downvoting these vids? They're perfect! Good work! It's been a while since I've refreshed my memory on all this Tolkien lore... I appreciate the refresher course. Makes me want to go back and reread the Silmarillion, War of the Jewels, and some of those unfinished tales.

  • @gypsybilly72
    @gypsybilly72 5 лет назад

    Great video! Really helped a lot to understand Gil-Galad and how he relates to the rest of Middle-Earth.

  • @jamesrosales89
    @jamesrosales89 Год назад

    I got chills when you sang the song at the end. Thankyou.

  • @MrSauron
    @MrSauron 6 лет назад +1

    Amazing video. This is quickly turning out to be my favorite channel on RUclips. You are doing an amazing job with these videos and I love learing more about each character and place in Tolkiens world. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this=)

  • @Promance2300
    @Promance2300 6 лет назад +10

    Nice video! I like the singing, very genuine!

  • @popularculture2890
    @popularculture2890 6 лет назад +7

    boy, if i didn't feel like i nerd watching this before, then the singing definitely sealed the deal. lol. epic episode though. great stuff man.

  • @VarangianGuard13
    @VarangianGuard13 4 года назад +1

    You have a marvelous singing voice. That was a wonderful rendition of Gil-galad.. thank you again sir.

  • @glennfyfe1357
    @glennfyfe1357 4 года назад

    Thanks, always one my heroes, thanks for the background.

  • @sewerynwojtas8220
    @sewerynwojtas8220 5 лет назад

    Bro love the song 👍🏻 and keep the amazing lore coming thank you 👌🏾

  • @fr.kevinrusseaucsc9168
    @fr.kevinrusseaucsc9168 6 лет назад

    Found your channel a week ago. I love it. I’m catching up. You’re doing great. I’ve read all the book and love these summaries. Thank you! (And sing more!)

  • @andresfp0128
    @andresfp0128 6 лет назад +3

    Amazing work! You've got a new subscriber!

  • @ibrahiym3030
    @ibrahiym3030 5 лет назад

    I was not expecting the song at the beginning, but u did a really good job, man

  • @paulwhitbread3156
    @paulwhitbread3156 4 года назад

    Well thought out and narrated. Thank you.

  • @saikonakoshi4334
    @saikonakoshi4334 6 лет назад +3

    Hell yes! Just in time for bed. Can't wait to listen to this. Voted for it the other week!

  • @Wevaah
    @Wevaah 6 лет назад +3

    This channel has the best analysis on characters from the Tolkien universe hands down

  • @Gasart3
    @Gasart3 6 лет назад +12

    Men of the West srsly. I just found your channel and i absolutely love it. Ive always loved Lotr and i really love that u explain all the things i doubt sometimes. thanks man

  • @robpetesworkshop
    @robpetesworkshop 3 года назад +1

    I love your content man so much that I always watch both ads on your videos :D

  • @avinashprakash2309
    @avinashprakash2309 6 лет назад

    Brilliant, keep up the awesome videos. (And singing)

  • @kovrado
    @kovrado 6 лет назад +54

    Is it weird that im almost more and better versed in Middle Earth history than in our history?

    • @Richie_Godsil
      @Richie_Godsil 6 лет назад +7

      Rados Kovac The Legendarium has dragon's and wizards and shit, it's by definition more interesting lol

    • @kovrado
      @kovrado 6 лет назад +2

      Richie Godsil yeah true that, I guess im not the only one

    • @DeathBYDesign666
      @DeathBYDesign666 6 лет назад +7

      Well ironically Tolkein took much of his inspiration from our own history so in a roundabout way you're learning ours as well. Take out the magical elements and you're almost there.

    • @sma94
      @sma94 6 лет назад +1

      All this happened in one mans imagination.. imagine the epic shit that’s gone down over the eons of ours!

    • @ilovenycsomuch
      @ilovenycsomuch 4 года назад

      Oh same I hardly give a shit about actual history but I enjoy going out of my way to study fictional world history 😂

  • @spencerfrankclayton4348
    @spencerfrankclayton4348 3 года назад

    Great video!

  • @marionbaggins
    @marionbaggins 6 лет назад +1

    Love This Beautiful Singing You Have Got There.....
    Now I Have 3 Great Singing Mellons!!! #OHYAY........You & 2 Friends Of Mine Got Amazing Singing Voices!!!
    As Amazing Billy Boyd's Voice, Mellon!!!
    Thanks Marion Baggins

  • @the18dreamer
    @the18dreamer 6 лет назад +1

    Great job!
    Keep it up : )

  • @RandomTop5
    @RandomTop5 6 лет назад +1

    Haha your singing is awesome, man. I know the lyrics are from the books, but I guess the melody is yours and it's great! And It's quite catchy, I've been humming "Gil-Galad was an Elven King" all day :) Keep it up!

  • @willeyeam1241
    @willeyeam1241 6 лет назад

    Very well done. A joy to listen too.

  • @anag4863
    @anag4863 4 года назад

    I really enjoyed the signing, you should do it more often!

  • @AS-wv3if
    @AS-wv3if 6 лет назад +3

    you should do an epic region video, where you go over all of eriador, rhovanion, or another region and a little history along with all the major areas in the region you talk about.

  • @bryanmauss3589
    @bryanmauss3589 6 лет назад

    Love your lore videos, friend. I would love to see one if even only speculative on Mandos, his halls in the far West, and the fate of elves and men.

  • @mcmastermilitiadragonborn3288
    @mcmastermilitiadragonborn3288 6 лет назад +1

    Been watching alot of videos from the channel since I came across it, very great work, what I'd like to see if you can find much on it is the Watcher or those creatures, I don't know much about it minus its location outside the door to Moria

  • @BJETNT
    @BJETNT 2 года назад

    Sing better than I can but that ain't saying much. I enjoy your videos and I probably listen to 10 of them tonight. Keep it up and thank you

  • @danielkelly7452
    @danielkelly7452 6 лет назад +3

    Do a video about the differences from the books and the movies in a lot of detail. Ps love your work and keep it up.

  • @daviebaggins
    @daviebaggins 4 года назад +1

    I memorized that poem when i was 12 a long time ago and came to post it when i saw the title :) beautiful stuff.

  • @lovetterose
    @lovetterose 6 лет назад

    New subscriber! Love your work. 👍🏻👍🏻😍😍

  • @97AsV
    @97AsV 6 лет назад +8

    I think a video about Gollum and his evolution over the years, before and after getting the ring would be interesting.

  • @erikolson9
    @erikolson9 3 года назад +2

    Couple things:
    Love the singing, incredible addition. Don’t let the haters deter their majesty. Tolkien envisioned these verses to be sung, so let them be.
    I’ve always been more fond of Gil-galad as fingon’s son for many of the more narrative and character reasons elaborated on by other commenters.
    Biggest thing, but this video suggests suggests that sauron was taken back to numenor in circa 1700 of the second age when I believed that by most canonical accounts he was taken back to numenor with ar-pharzon much later in time. Right??

  • @Gworgalad
    @Gworgalad 6 лет назад +3

    Since 2004 I've been naming my RPG characters variants of Gil-Galad. Good video.

    • @whentheyes4076
      @whentheyes4076 3 года назад

      Like what I named one of my RP characters Isil Galad or moon light

    • @whentheyes4076
      @whentheyes4076 3 года назад +1

      I made him nephew of Gil galad tho that wasn’t really lord friendly

  • @romonkeybusiness
    @romonkeybusiness 3 года назад

    Hi I don’t know if you’ll see this but I’ve been watching your channel for a while and subscribed almost immediately afterwards. I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your videos and the messages at the end always brighten my day, thank you

  • @UrielOmega
    @UrielOmega 6 лет назад +3

    This was an amazing video. It helps shed light on one of my favorite characters, the Noldor, and really... makes me wish he wasn't cut from the freaking movie.

  • @haffelbaffel123
    @haffelbaffel123 6 лет назад +74

    You should do a video on the haradrim

    • @mehmedsabriev9991
      @mehmedsabriev9991 6 лет назад +2

      HuffleFlux If he made video on them it would 15 minutes long there isn't too many information on the Haradrim

    • @Presbiter
      @Presbiter 6 лет назад

      Whats wrong with that? Notice the vid above about old tree hugger Gil is 12 mins

    • @mehmedsabriev9991
      @mehmedsabriev9991 6 лет назад

      Presbiter Im just saying if he is gonna do a video do it about all the easterlings in one video that would be best

    • @Presbiter
      @Presbiter 6 лет назад +1

      haradrim are southlings...

    • @mehmedsabriev9991
      @mehmedsabriev9991 6 лет назад

      Presbiter My bad

  • @TheGreatDearLeaderJimPickens
    @TheGreatDearLeaderJimPickens 2 года назад +1

    An excellent voice you have

  • @MasterMahan-qm8hu
    @MasterMahan-qm8hu 6 лет назад +17

    Terrific video!!! Love these longer vids, so much info and detail that I wasn't aware of! The singing is great and really sets the tone and pays homage to Tolkien and how he would have presented it! Very good and looking forward to the next!!!
    What ever happened to the spear Gil-Galad carried??? Just curious, cheers

    • @staiknchips9608
      @staiknchips9608 6 лет назад +3

      Randy Martin i woud also like to know what happened to his spear.

    • @staiknchips9608
      @staiknchips9608 6 лет назад +3

      Randy Martin i woud also like to know what happened to his spear.

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  6 лет назад +1

      Randy Martin I believe his spear perished with him or Mordor, or was buried beneath ash and dust. Thank you so much Randy for the support, it means a great deal to me!

    • @whentheyes4076
      @whentheyes4076 3 года назад

      @@MenoftheWest it went with him to halls of mandos

  • @Ali-yr5kd
    @Ali-yr5kd 6 лет назад +1

    Love your videos 😁😁😁😄

  • @TheLysineContingency
    @TheLysineContingency Год назад

    Great video! I came here to hear the actual story of Gil Galad after the Rings of Power debacle

  • @d.g.m.8455
    @d.g.m.8455 6 лет назад

    I've watched a number of your videos and really enjoy them, very informative. Any chance you'd consider doing a character history video on Celebrimbor? I've done some research on him and found that his background in the official Tolkien lore is quite different from the history they provide for him in the Shadow of Mordor/War games, but my research was quite honestly half-assed and not very comprehensive. Given the high quality of your other videos, I'm sure you'd do a great job of providing a more detailed look into the history of Celebrimbor that more "casual" Tolkien enthusiasts like myself would really appreciate.

  • @FantasticExplorers
    @FantasticExplorers 6 лет назад +3

    That took some balls to bust out in song!! It added some depth/culture to what you're talking about! Respect man!!!!

  • @jackwhitetron
    @jackwhitetron 6 лет назад +2

    More videos!!!!!! I.......need......more!!!!

  • @nemesis637
    @nemesis637 6 лет назад

    Good work

  • @pizzadohpaz
    @pizzadohpaz 3 года назад +1

    Great video, loved the song, but it is pronounced "Ed-ine" rather than "Edain" like it looks. Like the "Dunedain"!
    Anyways, so happy to have this channel and thank you for everything you do!

  • @connorlarkinbass
    @connorlarkinbass 6 лет назад

    Love the channel! could you do a video on Fingolfin? thanks!

  • @ARCtrooperblueleader
    @ARCtrooperblueleader 5 лет назад

    Wonderful singing. Also, wonderful video.

  • @tommcd8471
    @tommcd8471 6 лет назад +5

    Dude subbed, you just put it out there with that singing knowing full well a percentage of the comment section was going to shit on you. Then went into your Vid like a pro, keep em comming!

  • @toddkurzbard
    @toddkurzbard Год назад

    I love the opening and closing with the singing of the "legend" of Gil-Galad

  • @ramontiemersma8835
    @ramontiemersma8835 6 лет назад +3

    Waking up with some lotr lore :)

  • @jdrogl4219
    @jdrogl4219 3 года назад

    I'm so excited. Thankyou amazon. I wish I could see elendil and gil galad fighting sauron in second age

  • @killrelevantt1887
    @killrelevantt1887 6 лет назад

    That singing lol good job on the vid your really the only guy besides the explore guy on lotr and the Tolkien world

  • @happywheeler4268
    @happywheeler4268 6 лет назад +96

    You mean Fingon the the Father of Gil-Galad, not Finrod. I actually think that Fingon being the father of Gil-Galad more canonical, I mean I guess one can say that Gil-Galad could have gotten kingship passed down to him from Orodreth's line, but then why wasn't Galadriel selected as a Queen before him? I mean I feel like being the son of Orodreth complicates and changes a lot of things. The son of Fingon makes more sense as that shows him in direct line to rule the Noldor after Turgon's fall, and he is of Fingolfin's direct line and this makes him a pure Noldor.
    If we are going by notes as a canon bases as opposed to what was written in the books, then that would mean that Gil-Galad is not full Noldor and that he has the same lineage as Galadriel. This would make him Telerin, Vanya, and Noldor just like Galadriel. Which would then bring up the question why wouldn't Earendil, Elrond, or Elros hold more to the title given that they are more direct to the lineage of Turgon himself, and thus Fingolfin?
    So in conclusion, Christopher Tolkien may have felt that he messed up on Gil-Galad's character, but he obviously felt that being the son of Fingon was more important to Gil-Galad's character and the canon. He didn't change Gil-Galad's character as he stated that doing so "notably the downgrading of Orodreth into a son of Angrod - would have required considerable reworking of the existing text."
    So instead of reworking everything, and showing that Gil-Galad is part Telerin (which I don't think the Sindar would have minded him being a ruler since Galadriel ruled over Sinda and Silvan with the same lineage), I would say that remaining a son of Fingon is more canonical and better in the ways of storyline, canon, and lineage for the High King of the Noldor.

    • @DtonDC
      @DtonDC 4 года назад +2

      But Fingolfin and his line were not pure blooded Noldo. Fingolfin's mother is Indis, a Vanya. I wrote about this extensively in the thread of ShadowShroud7's post, but in The Silmarillion, Of the Return of the Noldor, Maehdros says to Fingolfin, after being rescued by Finrod: "If there lay no grievance between us, lord, still the kingship would rightly come to you, the eldest here of the house of Finwe, and not the least wise" (page 111 in my edition). By this precedent, the kingship would go to Turgon over Orodreth, Gil-Galad, Finduilas, and Galadriel (the only extant members with almost direct relation to Finwe during F.A. 472, which is when Fingon passed away), since Turgon was born Y.T. 1300, and thus the oldest surviving member of the House of Finwe in Middle-earth. And having Orodreth be a son of Finarfin would make more sense, which is why he inherited Nargothrond instead of Galadriel, since Angrod and Aegnor had perished by the time of Finrod's unjust death. Orodreth might have been born as early as Y.T. 1300, which makes him slightly older than Galadriel. Maybe the line of Finarfin did have too much Telerin roots, as compared to the near pure-blooded line of Fingolfin, who married a Noldo, as opposed to Finarfin, who married a Telerin princess. I think keeping Gil-galad the son of Fingon was the right thing to do, as you had mentioned that the Sindar would not have minded a partially Telerin King if he indeed descended from Orodreth. But the idea that Turgon received the kingship over Orodreth (who was possibly just as old Turgon, in keeping with the precedent Maehdros set when he established that the eldest of the House of Finwe should rule) because he was a pure blooded Noldo is false. Most of these Elves had mixed ancestry.

    • @adrianciobanu5856
      @adrianciobanu5856 3 года назад

      @@DtonDC gil galad is son of fingon and bicome king of noldoli If hi was finarfinian , Elrond having blod of turgon plus maia blod was more superior than galadriel and hi take lorien bicose his husband is nephew of tingol and olmo his grandfather and nandorian Lenve /Dan mast be cusen to Elwe, Olmo and Olwe , dont forgeth noldoli kiled alot of telerians and sindars .basicali entire history of tolkien is totalywrong and dont have logic noldoli can make magical wapons make silmarils magical rings and cant bild ships but telerians can is stupid

    • @donweatherwax9318
      @donweatherwax9318 3 года назад

      Keeping Fingon (1:06) and Finrod (1:23) straight is like definitively determining whether Belegost survived the War of Wrath; i.e., impossible from the lore Tolkien left us.

    • @happywheeler4268
      @happywheeler4268 3 года назад +2

      @@donweatherwax9318 not really. U have to master the Tolkien equation to gain a better understanding of Tolkien's work and canon.

    • @donweatherwax9318
      @donweatherwax9318 3 года назад +1

      @@happywheeler4268 WHAT
      is the Tolkien equation
      ?

  • @Burnyoursins
    @Burnyoursins 6 лет назад

    While I already know all (well, as much as one can know about something that was never officially finished) there is to know about Tolkien's legendarium, I very much appreciate your passion and knowledge in telling it. One thing though, after the War Of Sauron and the Elves, he was not taken back to Numenor. He retreated eastward, his entire army completely annihilated aside from himself and one bodyguard. He was taken back to Numenor during the reign of its last king many years later.

  • @timothycheok7324
    @timothycheok7324 6 лет назад

    Could you do a video on fell beasts. I can't find much on the creature and it's origins.

  • @meris8486
    @meris8486 6 лет назад +4

    Could you do a video talking about Feanor?

  • @gamingisfuniloveit8526
    @gamingisfuniloveit8526 6 лет назад +14

    A video of Galadriel! Please! I demand you to make a video about the Lady of Lothlórien!

    • @heirofcaelos6698
      @heirofcaelos6698 5 лет назад

      And perhaps a video about Amroth and Nimrodel.

  • @rhbfc82
    @rhbfc82 2 года назад

    My go-to channel for nerding out. Now I have to admit to myself that I am also partially here because of the narrator's voice.

  • @ericharkleroad7716
    @ericharkleroad7716 6 лет назад +3

    You should do a video on the Kinslayings

  • @johnny2hats330
    @johnny2hats330 6 лет назад +51

    Haha nice song. Maybe you can do the green dragon song for us sometime?

  • @Gavin-N
    @Gavin-N 6 лет назад +1

    you have a good voice!

  • @vitorfonsecam
    @vitorfonsecam 6 лет назад

    Can you config this video to have automatic subtitles? I can' t speak and listen english very well.

  • @kreuzrittergottes9336
    @kreuzrittergottes9336 5 лет назад

    You are awesome! And accurate!

  • @sebastianlomholt5518
    @sebastianlomholt5518 6 лет назад +1

    Can you make a video on Gondolin and Nagatrond

  • @Max1990Power
    @Max1990Power 4 года назад

    Hello. Can you make a new video about Gilgalad and how you want him to be depicted in the amazon tv show?

  • @Richie_Godsil
    @Richie_Godsil 6 лет назад +3

    I'm running a Lord of the Rings rpg through roll20 and as the GM I'm kinda expected to have a grasp or at least an opinion on all the comings and goings in the Legendarium. So these videos are nice to watch to refresh my memory, forward to people with questions, and watch for my general enjoyment. Keep up the good work!
    (Also, redo your early videos like Aragorn's)

  • @markvassallo9918
    @markvassallo9918 6 лет назад

    Can you do an Epic Character History on Haldir? Did he really perish at Helms Deep or was that put into the film The Two Towers?
    Thanks

  • @scepta101
    @scepta101 6 лет назад +2

    Honestly i really want movie, tv, videogame, or just SOMETHING adapting pieces of Arda's history in different adaptations. It would be incredible to see someone, anyone, who knows what they are doing to create adaptations of Tolkien's work.

  • @zachstevens7382
    @zachstevens7382 6 лет назад +2

    do a video on the men of the south and history lore their creatures etc that fought for Mordor in the lotr but what is their past?

  • @FlagAnthem
    @FlagAnthem 6 лет назад

    you should cover more songs from the legendarium

  • @Jaketodd62
    @Jaketodd62 6 лет назад +4

    Could you do what if merry and pippen had been taken to isingard

  • @stevemiller234
    @stevemiller234 6 лет назад

    could you do a video on the dark elves of middle earth

  • @8ETERNALVOID8
    @8ETERNALVOID8 6 лет назад +1

    Please make something about Celeborn.

  • @rageagainstmyhatchet
    @rageagainstmyhatchet 6 лет назад +4

    Gil Galad is a difficult character and one I've always been confused about (likely due to those changes) - so thanks.
    Hows about Celeborn? Another one with a hidden backstory.

    • @johnnyedelhoff5866
      @johnnyedelhoff5866 2 года назад

      Thingol and Olwe had another brother called Elmo who lived in Doriath. Celeborn is his grandson

  • @baxterschumacher9186
    @baxterschumacher9186 6 лет назад

    where is a good place to get these super detailed maps of other regions that aren't just middle earth? I want a really detailed map of the whole world

  • @darryltait2652
    @darryltait2652 6 лет назад +3

    can u do one about the skinchangers

  • @onnimannimaki8846
    @onnimannimaki8846 6 лет назад +2

    Do video about mumakils

  • @projectfantasy1385
    @projectfantasy1385 5 лет назад

    that is one fine glaive, sir :D :D
    Is there any enchanted bow that shoot light emiting arrows or such? I mean, we all know how elves like bow and arrow, yet they have made so much more legendary blades :)

  • @kevinwessels1261
    @kevinwessels1261 6 лет назад +2

    Might want to do some tighter editing in the future, but other than that this was a great video! Can't wait to see what else you have planned.

  • @Corristo89
    @Corristo89 4 года назад +1

    09:22 I seriously thought my PC had frozen when the audio just cut out xD