Google's "Trust Me Bro" Guarantee - Linus Reacts to Made By Google 23
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- Looking for electronic components and equipment? Consult the specialists! Head over to lmg.gg/CircuitSpecialists and save 10% using code “LMG”
Signup for a Hetzner server and use code LTT23 to save €20 at: www.htznr.li/LTT-ccx-0923
Made By Google 2023 holds a lot of surprises that totally didn't leak out in advance. The new Pixel 8 Pro, Pixel 8 and Pixel Watch are all pretty exciting. But can after killing so many products, like Google Podcasts and Jamboard, can Google really be trusted to follow through on their seven year promise?
Discuss on the forum: linustechtips.com/topic/15344...
Buy a Google Pixel 8: geni.us/Afqhj
Buy a Google Pixel 8 Pro: lmg.gg/qgQg9
Buy a Google Pixel Watch 2: lmg.gg/rCB9C
Buy Google Pixel Buds Pro: geni.us/VdJy
Buy a Google Pixel 7 Pro: geni.us/hYoUB
Buy a Google Pixel 7: geni.us/SOvSC
Buy a Google Pixel Watch 1: geni.us/9t0h
Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.
► GET MERCH: lttstore.com
► GET EXCLUSIVE CONTENT ON FLOATPLANE: lmg.gg/lttfloatplane
► SPONSORS, AFFILIATES, AND PARTNERS: lmg.gg/partners
► EQUIPMENT WE USE TO FILM LTT: lmg.gg/LTTEquipment
► OUR WAN PODCAST GEAR: lmg.gg/wanset
FOLLOW US
---------------------------------------------------
Twitter: / linustech
Facebook: / linustech
Instagram: / linustech
TikTok: / linustech
Twitch: / linustech
MUSIC CREDIT
---------------------------------------------------
Intro: Laszlo - Supernova
Video Link: • [Electro] - Laszlo - S...
iTunes Download Link: itunes.apple.com/us/album/sup...
Artist Link: / laszlomusic
Outro: Approaching Nirvana - Sugar High
Video Link: • Sugar High - Approachi...
Listen on Spotify: spoti.fi/UxWkUw
Artist Link: / approachingnirvana
Intro animation by MBarek Abdelwassaa / mbarek_abdel
Monitor And Keyboard by vadimmihalkevich / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/PgGWp
Mechanical RGB Keyboard by BigBrotherECE / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/mj6pHk4
Mouse Gamer free Model By Oscar Creativo / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/Ps3XfE
CHAPTERS
---------------------------------------------------
0:00 Intro
1:15 Pixel 8 and 8 Pro
2:00 Tensor G3 and AI Applications
5:27 Cameras And Displays and Thermometers?
7:04 Android 14
9:04 Pixel Watch 2
10:37 Assistant With Bard
11:36 The Google Problem
15:40 Outro 
Наука
![PADDINGTON IN PERU - Official Trailer [4K] - Paddington Bear is back!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lKgitu25ZAg/mqdefault.jpg)
Quick Correction: 1:34 We mislabeled the phone being shown as Pixel 8 Pro. The correct phone is the Pixel 8. We're working on making the correction as soon as possible. Sorry about that!
Lol
@@aandy2042 what
why at 6:23 you say "Good job Apple", if LTPO displays were made mass-produced by Samsung efforts, not Apple. And Google already had an LTPO panel in the older Pixel 7 Pro and Pixel 6 Pro. That's weird to say, it looks like you don't know your subject.
Don't worry. Insignificant mistake!
Proud to be Indian 🇮🇳
Video idea: go through and find other "X years support" and see if the companies actually followed through and out the ones who hope we just forget.
I like this idea
Please do this ltt
Actual good idea
Exactly! Please make it happen LTT
Was there any companies that actually promised that?
As a teacher, Jamboard was awesome and I used it for so many things, and rarely with hardware built with it in mind. I think this one needs to be called out more. If a school DOES spend a bunch of money on tech to use a program like Jamboard, and then Jamboard vanishes, it's going to make it a LOT harder for that school to justify further tech spending in the future. These kinds of things can set a school's tech back a decade if they put the brakes on investing after a bad experience, and school managers are notoriously risk averse.
Programming, as yearly subscription fees.... Companies that can satisfy the incoming profit, wins... Having educational discounts is part of a growing model...??? .......... Much Love
This is so well said, very true!
@@rexbk09what the hell does this mean
Well buying apple products seems like a safer bet.
@@Rosso488apple making an online school apps??
I absolutely appreciate the commentary on Google's erosion of trust. I am a pretty reliable google user and have been for about 20 years now, but even I am getting pretty frustrated with them abandoning core functions.
Or even just "improving" things for the worse... Google Play music - RUclips music or nest - Google home apps
@@maximusg88 and speaking of Google home, what hell has happened there? It used to be the best in the field for accuracy and now I have to shout at them like 8 times.
@@maximusg88 Yeah, I'm still mad about that, I loved being able to upload my own library of songs not available on ANY streaming services, or songs that I wanted to be sure to be able to listen to no matter the current rights situation for that song.
At this time it is starting to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
No one will use the new feature/service because of fear it will be abandoned when they have set their routines up around it.
leading to:
Not enough is using it, so Google closes it again.
However, I have heard, and this might just be gossip. But that they might close down services, even if they make money on it. And that just sux.
I know there are "big brain" money people that can put things into a spreadsheet, and show it is still a bad buisness, but it the same people that think it is better to have half the warehouse empty because "storage is expensive", not taking into account, that you already have that storage, and can't rent it out or sell it. Sometimes we need to just to be sensible amd smart about things. If it makes you money, it is better than not making money, and a happy loyal customer is worth a lot, a lot more than you can ever hope to "save" or "optimize" by closing down the things that doesn't make "enough" money.
I'm still bitter over Inbox getting killed for no good reason. Now we just get a cheaper, uglier and less functional yet more cluttered version of it in the form of "small Gmail improvements." I don't want to use Gmail, I wanted to keep using Inbox, dammit. It probably wouldn't hurt as much if Google didn't let you know the taste of good, truly innovative emailing before taking it away. Google giveth and Google taketh away.
That last segment is super critical. RUclips Music is STILL missing stuff from Google Play Music that they promised, including syncing a local library through an app (and not 1 folder at a time through the browser) and cross playlists/radios between local library stuff and streamed stuff.
good luck waiting for them to "patch" it, I highly recommend you just move on to another platform.
YTM is a piece of trash compared to Spotify
But I can eat all of that and stay for the all unique song they has
I actually like RUclips music more than Google Play Music.
@@PurpleKnightmare you do you buddy! But it's objectively worse (features-wise).
@@AlTheEngineerit is alright to be wrong, I wont hold it against you.
Would be nice if every phone came with minimum 5 years of software support.
Honestly things change so little nowadays I’ll rather take a 7 year security update even it means you only get 3 years full update
Yeah. Most people do change phones after 3-4 years but a major portion of population doesn't so it would be really good if they provided longer support
But is it a real deal breaker? My 10 year old HTC still runs RUclips and Discord with Android 6. Many apps still run on Android 6. An Android phone having 5 years of software support will still be supported by apps even 5 years from now.
Be like samsung and only offer two years plus only release the new update a year after it is released even though you paid $1400
Just get a midrange from samsung A54 line with 4 years support after 4 years throw it away buy new one done.
OMG, preach!! I am starting get nervous on the Google ship actually. I invested thousands of dollars over the last 3 years buying digital movies and TV shows on the Google Play store (formerly Movies and TV, etc etc). My catalog of purchased movies is over 700 and I'm beginning to get nervous as Google last month sent an email saying their going to shutdown Google TV app on mobile in favor of it's app for TV and to just buy movies from RUclips on mobile. Yet...as of 10/6 the phone app is still up?? It's not bad enough that you can't even organize your purchased content into genres or anything that looks nice. Nope, just a random catalog of when it was purchased in sequence. So yeah, keep up the bs support for your products Google and you'll see me carrying an Apple in my pocket in the near future. I hate the iPhone for it's lackluster user customizibility and boringness, however their offerings are getting better and us android guys are starting to notice.
Man. Everytime you raise my hopes for something I'm cursed to relive all the times I've been betrayed by a software company. Such is life...
Regarding your take on google shutting down services left and right I completely agree, it's been so bad for so long and I've been so disillusioned by all google services that whenever I find a useful product that they serve, the first thing I do is to try to find a competing similar/identical service that preferably runs on my own hardware and use that one instead. It's ridiculous that it's come to that, but I've had so many "killer" features that I loved from google getting killed that I just don't want to deal with them anymore.
What was the last google service you could run locally?
@@chimp7 re read what I wrote. I try to find similar service that preferably runs on my machines. Not run Google services locally.
Sometimes they just get horribly redesigned into that google material design nonsense.
That's what I meant. Which google run service equivalent can you run locally? Not challenging you, just curious
@@chimp7 They aren't saying you can run the service locally, just that they can use hardware they already own to use an equivalent service. For example, PocketCasts has been my preferred Podcast app or Kindle/Amazon instead of Google Books.
I hope that 7 years of software and easy battery swaps become industry standard. The EU is demanding changes for the latter so it probably will become standard. It would be amazing to keep the same phone for 6-ish years with a battery swap every 2-3 years.
Software is the least of the problems. Many apps still run on Android 6. But they can run slow on phones supporting only up to that.
I hope so, not having to upgrade phones after 4-5 years would be very nice
I really hope we see a return of replaceable batteries before I need a new phone (Currently have the Pixel 6a). I would LOOOOOOOOOOVE to keep my phone as long as possible (realistically, as long as security updates are available to fix vulnerabilites) instead of having to replace the whole damn phone every time the battery life eventually becomes horrifically bad from being old)
To be fair even I wouldn't keep a phone for 7 years although thats because I refuse to spend more than $500 on a phone, and I usually only spend ~$300 I basically wait until there is an exeptional "budget" phone-and I say "budget" because $350 phones are if you don't game on your phone are pretty darn good nowerdays and real budget phones where you start to really massively comprimise features are like sub $200-then buy that.
However what would be nice is to be able to sell the phone for a reasonable price to someone who was going to get an actual budget phone after a 2 - 4 years.
i hope the companies start flexing with supported years. that would be great. a new phone every 7 years is really enough, especially with that little change nowadays.
I do miss the weird features on phones. My old S8+ had a pulse oxometer built in, because why not? Actually was kind of useful during COVID to be able to check my blood oxygen levels with my phone.
The only thing I saw in this video that was interesting at all was the two way translation feature. Would be nice to see it come to the Z Fold 5.
Anyway, I don't trust Google as far as I could through a multi-billion dollar company. If they start a new service, I just assume it won't last and don't even bother looking into it. I don't see these phones actually getting seven years of updates. They'll cancel the program with a couple months warning around year three or four.
The point on following through is a big one. I'm going to be the optimist and hope they actually do 7 years of support. However, if they decide to not follow through, at least the Pixel phones are rootable so the developer community will likely lead off where Google drops the ball.
That being said though, the partnership with iFixit is also fantastic and they're still supporting even very old Pixels so I'm approaching with cautious optimism.
I have my doubts
I'd say they'd do a max of 5 years and with the launch of the new Pixel in that's 5th year (Pixel 13 ?) They'd announce that the Pixels would here on have only 5 years of OS upgrades and this applies to all phones from & since the Pixel 8
Why do people even by their phones at this point. I'm going to see support for a 6-7 year old phone, not a promise that in 6-7 years, today's phone will finally be nearing end of service. I don't trust them to do it, until after they've done it.
It's support, not a whole service or product line so of course they'll "follow through" with it. Y'all exagerating.
Was that the Fairphone 5 in his hands? That was fast! 1:48
Linus should like daily drive 15 phones all at the same time at this point
Maybe he is. He just dropped 14 of them...😂
And the Ford Mustang 2017.
I own only TEN. 📱
6:45 If your baby's milk bottle is 302 F, you may have some other things to figure out before the temperature sensor on a phone. 😅
My equivalent whole home audio system, was to buy a bunch of Apple AirPort Express off ebay, and then have them optical out into various Hi-Fi systems in each room.
It really warmed my heart to see Linus do similarly with Sonos. Isn’t it so true to form, that the Google/Sonos is objectively superior in features and high res capabilities, while the Airport Express running Airplay 2 is capped out at CD quality, but somehow managed to deliver a consistent experience.
Yet several years after the product was discontinued they’re still giving it updates. I never would have associated high end pricing with consistent reliable mediocre performance. Nor would I have thought the newer higher res formats and standards to lose product support before something chugging along at CD speed.
I want it all, and expect tech to lead future forward, but maybe it’s my expectations of high res and cutting edge that should be tempered. Maybe they were a little more insightful to see that the music archives are already standardized around CD, which even now we see reflected in the music streaming services.
Apple is egregiously shameful in their cherry picked marketing they use to pump up their keynotes. But at least in regard to audio quality, they haven’t overpromised, or under delivered. Maybe we should turn our eye for false marketing to the new standards that get touted at trade show booths. Nobody is going to say their new technology has poor adoption, or is years away from mattering. Perhaps the potential abilities give us false expectations, that then make Apple look slow and mediocre. Maybe Android users are living in a flawless future, but we know there hiccups across the board for all contenders.
How can we make a scorecard to gauge these companies on their feature sets, both in terms of capabilities and their actual delivery. While also not making misleading future predictions from past behaviors.
I wonder how just the framing of these companies in simple terms would alleviate nerd rage and tribalistic fandom.
Imagine if electronics repair was treated like car repair, where every repair job was reported to a large regulatory body that statistically ranks cars on reliability and know issues. Sounds like a natural next step for right to repair.
Hope the Sonos gets the love it needs soon.
From what I've heard (can't confirm, but sounds plausible) that a lot of promotions internally at Google are based on product launches. So you've got these people building and launching projects to get that promotion and then abandon it to move onto the next product launch.
Almost true, its a bit more nuanced and shows why there's some trouble on the Pixel side.
I suspect Microsoft to work in a similar way. They love launching new software products but they hate giving meaningful long-term support. And sometimes that support comes in releasing a completely re-worked version of the product or releasing a new product that kinda does the same things as the old one. And that's my main gripe with MS software. They often have some actually pretty nice ideas or kinda robust software, but they often only go like 90% of the way and never deliver the missing 10% which ultimately makes the product as a whole useless.
that's awful
That's why 911 calls are still busted on Pixels
Former Googler, can confirm
Maybe the more interesting part, if the SW is supported for 7 years, the HW should be too. So we should have first party replacement components (screen, battery, charge port, etc) available. It's not unrealistic to see these in use from 7 years now on (I see plenty of phones from 2018 in the friends and family circle, today's phones are way more powerful plus progress has slowed noticeably), so it's a great initiative. Samsung seems to be holding their side of 3-4 year support, so I don1t see why Google couldn't with custom HW.
In their keynote they said they worked with ifixit to make the Pixel 8 series easier to fix ourselves so I have high hopes for this.
They mentioned it in the Keynote that they have partnered with iFixit with parts and they also made the phones easier to be fixed, which is absolutely a great thing.
Wonder why nearly every techTuber didn't mention this at all?
@@feline-fox Sounds great. I don't care much about the Pixel phones due to limited availability, but maybe Google can influence other manufacturers. I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung would announce something similar next year plus up their SW support to 5 OS updates and 6 years of security patches. Then the competition has to follow.
Also there is that potential EU regulation for replaceable batteries from 2027, maybe by then other parts will be easy to replace too.
I’ve bought an OEM battery off ifixit for my pixel just last week. I feel they will keep this course. Crazy how that works, huh?
@@new1412 because it's old news. They're doing that for years and they aren't really easily fixable
Would have loved to have an IR blaster again, I actually used that all the time on my HTC One
Thank you for talking about the accessibility updates.
It would be cool if temperature was added to photo metadata. Imagine looking back at last year’s summer photos and seeing how warm it was.
That sounds so quirky that Google would actually do it.
Wtf😂
As an audio engineer who works with various sound restoration tools and has dabbled with the AI tools out there, the audio demo with the baby sounded wayyyyyy too good to be true.
I was just disappointed that it doesn't magically get rid of the actual babies around you. Missed opportunity there for google.
Same as the promise that those 7 years of updates will be meaningful
It sounded like the RTX voice effect. But that needed a 10xx+ series GPU to run nicely and it was taxing on the hardware. Let's see if this on-device magic really works out.
@@notmyname42 Well the difference likely is that the RTX processing is done in real time, whereas the Pixel will probably have it done offline already. That, or because the device doesn't need to focus on as many intensive tasks, it can dedicate more cycles.
With Apples worth they can afford this type of tech, and even crazier tech all working as marketed. Only of they really wanted tho. But seems they enjoy being behind always.
Unless their plan is to have a bunch of tech like this and then patent it so other phone companies gotta pay them for using to keep up.
to be fair they've mainly followed through with thier os updates prmoises. Google nexus kept being updated until 2020 and it was launched on 2013
My Google Assistant seems to struggle with understanding me unless I put on a stereotypical US accent, and all I speaking is English with an Aussie accent. The Google Assistant also now won't make reminders for me, even though the settings have been updated.
Google really can't get things right...unless it's how they can shove ads in your face
Google didn't even fix connectivity issues and software bugs with the Pixel 6 and Pixel 7 to THIS DAY. It's infuriating to be a Pixel user because there's so much potential there but Google just always moves on by adding new features without fixing old bugs. How can we trust their promise this time if they can't even provide proper updates over two years?
Haven't had faced bugs these days on my pixel 7. Also never had connectivity issues maybe that's a pixel 6 thing
I keep seeing these comments but I feel it's largely either non-pixel users repeating what they hear online, or early Pixel 6 adopters who just repeat the same thing for years. I've been using the Pixel 7 Pro on Android 14 and I've had a grand total of 1 issue, and that is that my phone gets a bit hot when I'm running more intense applications. I mean I early adopted Android 14 and didn't have a single bug on the beta version lol
This. Absolutely this. Despite being some people unaffected a lot of us are. They chose to ignore it. The High Brightness Mode is another thing. I've seen the code and comments from Google staff themselves. It can be fixed on the 7 Series. They are choosing not to. The 50MP and Pro mode? 90% there on the A14 build for the 7 series. Just locked out artificially
@@techtt6213 what's the issue with high brightness mode?
This guy right here gets it. I don't trust Google Smartphones. They can give me 20 years software support. The hardware is the problem. And I only get 2 years warranty on the hardware. We all know that Pixel Smartphones don't hold for a long time.
I also hope Google can keep their promise this time too. As a Pixel 6 owner, the Pixel 8 Pro is tempting.
Their deal with watch bundle was making me consider going from P6 to p8p. But the P6 (For me not sure for others) has been perfect for me. I didn't get overheating issues. I did get some mobile data issues that were resolved that one time they broke things. That's about it. I have pretty good battery life cause I use dim screen 100% of the time(I don't like bright screens).
I kinda feel like I can take the P6 till end of support and be fine the entire time. The cameras already satisfying for me as well.
Only thing I kinda dislike is the semi unreliable fingerprint sensor. If I'm in sunlight it's useless lol
One word. Stadia.... they won't keep their word, they never have. Marketing hype to sell a few handsets, move on to the next big claim.
The Pixel 6 was released 2 years ago and you're already looking at changing phones. Why do you care if Google supports the Pixel 8 for 7 years when you're clearly not going to keep it for anywhere near that long?
You do have to remember some features from past Pixel releases came to the general Android audience before so with that in mind, I don't know if the AI processing on the 8 is really going to block non Pixel users from using these features.
I'm making the jump from P6Pro to P8Pro and I already KNOW I'm going to use the "Summarize" article feature ALOT. I don't know how much they realize that will DRASTICALLY reduce the amount of horrible mobile ads I have to scroll by on horribly designed pages and also drastically cut down on having the skin fluff pieces or AI generated articles for the CORE meat of the page. And the cameras this gen are ridiculous and I LOVE the photos from my P6Pro.
@@graptik8 But... but... new features! AI! OTHER buzz words!
But yeah, you're right. After thinking about it for a while, I have other Android phones I can swap my SIM card into rhat I need to love.
@1:46 "Althought there are other options"- Is that a Fairphone being teased?
A request to LTT, since non of the other tech reviews online can or is doing it, could you do a Pixel 6, 7 and 8 Pro comparison on key metrics such as battery life, overheating, and most importantly 5G signal reception capabilities, no one seems to be concerned about a phone's ability to get reception???? but more concerned about camera, because, you can really count on the camera in case of an emergency to call 911. It's like doing a car review, and never talking about the engine, or an EV and not mentioning the battery reliability or technology.
Is it weird that I like how upgrades have become more incremental? I have always had a 2-3 year upgrade cycle in the past, but I might just hang on to my Pixel 6 Pro for a while. I really don't see much of a compelling reason to upgrade since it already has 5 years of support. The only reason I moved on from my Pixel 2 was because it ran out of security updates. It still ran fine...I'd have liked to hang onto it for a while longer.
No, there's nothing wrong with that. Tbh, people who complain about this are entirely missing the point. Nobody actually expects you to buy a new phone every year - they launch a new one every year, because SOME people are getting a new phone that year and they will want something new, they can't just not launch new products. But that doesn't mean anyone should, or is even expected, to buy them all. I have a Pixel 7 and see no reason to upgrade to the 8, I'll probably get a Pixel 9 (or a Pixel Fold 2 or 3) though.
I've got a Pixel 5, and I'll be hanging onto it for another cycle by the look of things. Unless I catastrophically break my phone and I need a new one, these new features are neat but not something worth upgrading over a perfectly functional phone
@@Sochsun I actually had a Pixel 5 for a year, but it had a fatal flaw for me...the speaker phone sucked. Something like that would be the only thing that makes me move on quickly
Edit: speakerphone sucked for other people I was calling. It was muffled and nobody knew what I was saying.
I've had the pixel 3 since it launched
Since we hit the end of moore's law, technology has been evolving slower and slower. However new innovations such as "AI" and special purpose chips and architectures may curb that trend
1:42 lmaooo i really hope the editors keep using this clip when applicable
to be honest i probably would’ve done the same to save my expensive wireless earbuds but it’s still funny to see it in security-camera-footage-style
I love that they're uploading in ultrawide now, though I can't seem to figure out how they get their black bars less noticeable. When I upload in 21:9 (3440x1440), the bars are a little thicker.
11:03 im not sure Linus meant it as a joke or he was serious but we can actually do it even right now.
I have a command set in my google home as "Im heading out"
which turns off my air purifier, fans bedroom lights and turns on the porch lights and finally powers down the small PC server
Unfortunately, that's not the same thing. Stringing commands is what he was talking about.
The trust thing is so hard with Google... I do rely on a lot of their products, but there's a part of me that's always waiting for them to suddenly announce "sorry not sorry Gmail is cancelled". I know Gmail is probably safe... but is anything REALLY safe when they've already shut down popular services? Hopefully the 7 years of updates really is them turning a new leaf...
In terms of the phone itself, sounds like it's a nice update... but I do miss when new phones were wildly better and exciting.
Just don't use internet. You have too many paranoids that no online services will keep you promised.
@@SkepticalJaffa yeah… I worry about stuff like that. That’s particularly frustrating because you can’t just replace an email that easily - things get tied to it, people have THAT address… I have my accounts tied to non-Google addresses as well so I have backups, but smaller/older services also fail…
@@SkepticalJaffayep. God im glad Fastmail exist
If the say comes where they drop Gmail, I am done with them. probably can't give up on YT, but back to no premium at least.
I agree that gmail is probably safe, but man that would be a selfgoal to close that down.
Out side of Googles core services like, Search Engine, Gmail and RUclips. You can't trust google to support anything new before they close it down in a year or two 😂
You're literally saying this on a video about Google hardware on the 8th year and generation....
i wouldve thought google domains was a core google service
cant even trust that
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Google removed casting from a PC from Chromecast, so even affects their hardware devices.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M the video is literally about pixels, and the core software that runs pixels is android aka one of Google's main projects, both android and pixel phones have made it this far.
You had me excited about 2-way translation on folding phones for a second dang this fold 4
Erosion of trust is an understatement. At this point, anything Google produces can’t be relied upon long term; they’ve killed too many services and products over the years.
This isn't really a trust me bro situation. Google advertises 7 years of updates as major selling point of the Pixel 8 series so if they don't deliver on that: Hello global class action law suit!
Hurrah! All the shafted users might get checks for 33 cents to say "oops sorry", just so long as they jumped through all the hoops
Where Google will pay a massive fine of 0.0000001% their annual income, the lawyers will get 500.000.000$ and people will receive a 0.3$ voucher valid for 2 weeks.
@@foxpopuli6982 It's not relevant to the end user, but it does make the value proposition for Google to kill the updates significantly harder to justify.
Still not even worth the trouble
The updates won't be good tho. The 50MP mode is for 90% implemented in the A14 build voor de Pixel 7 Series and 8 non Pro. They deliberately chose to ignore their last gen devices. The brighter screen is something that can be fixed on the 7 series. They showed they don't care. It's just getting OS upgrades and now meaningful features.
I agree with all the trust critique. They need to hear that relentlessly! We want them to be so sick of hearing it they make it a brand pillar .
There is more than one "trust" issue and they don't even cover the other darker one. Tech watch project and degoogled phones exist for a reason.
Didn't Linus also had some "trust me bro" warranty promise with some product recently?
14:04 that "Even Microsoft" got me 🤣🤣🤣
if only Pixel was available in more than 10 countries. It would make it actually a compelling device but its availability is a huge issue.
people in third world countries cant afford it anyways.
Pixel is available in these countries: Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States
The UI is so ugly and janky compared to Samsung
@@cooliipiethat's why you run a launcher
@@megaflux7144third world countries also have millions of rich people
11:35 - Hitting the nail on the head here. I have been an android user since the Motorola Droid. Haven't owned an Apple product ever. Killing off so many services and being generally less trustworthy in regard to data protection led me to give Apple a shot with the new iPhone. I might hate it, but 8 years ago I would never have considered leaving Google.
Same here, been and Android user since the Moto Droid and a Nexus/Pixel die hard. Who'd have thought all it took was a USB C iPhone (and Google killing more products than I can even remember) to make the switch.
As an ex android user and an apple user since 5 years now, I think you’ll like an iPhone. Unless you’re very demanding and want to be able to customise every single thing. Personally I’m happy with my iPhone though I also had some issues. Moving files to/from iPhone to PC being the biggest one. On android I could move basically anything very easily. With iPhone… not so much. Photos and videos can be moved easily though. If Windows doesn’t get quirky… I had to change my iPhone to send HEIC instead of JPG to Windows or the file transfer would always crash whenever trying to copy (large) video recordings. Then had to install CopyTrans HEIC to easily convert them back. But that appears to be a Windows issue in my case.
@@someryebread I'd try an iPhone if switching between both was easy and reliable. I did some research awhile back and there was something weird about how iMessage works that could cause message loss. My phone is also my business phone, so having to fuck with any of that and potentially lose calls/texts would be horrific.
I'm in that boat now. Upgrading to the iPhone next year.
We did the same. We started on Galaxy S2's in 2011. Switched to iPhone in 2022. Been okay so far.
That pool clip is going to be circulating for quite a while... and I'm here for it 😂
Technicians use thermal cameras to find abnormally hot BBQ bearings on agricultural machines before season starts to replace them. That would be nice feature to have on a phone.
What are BBQ bearings?
Great to see Linus using the Fairphone!
Great to see Linus started using the fairphone 5 ❤ 1:49
Also another thing about google assistant with bard is that now you can summarise long texts and parapraphs into couple bullet points.
Funny how you talked about Google's trustworthiness. I had problems with my Pixel 6 pro that I just dealt with until the 7 Pro came out and it has largely been fine, until yesterday when the Android 14 update broke my phone. After the update the phone would not get to the home screen and was stuck in an endless loop of app crash notifications. Now after multiple factory resets the phone refuses to install the most recent Google Play system update, and is stuck on the June update, as well as refusing to restore my last phone backup. Apps are super laggy, scrolling constantly studders and a handful of apps I use regularly continuously crash. Google support told me that if a factory reset is not fixing the issue that they would recommend upgrading to the Pixel 8, which I was already planning to do because I can get it for free from my cell provider by trading in my Pixel 6 pro, but now I don't feel like I can trust Google again and I am thinking my upgrade might be an iPhone, as much as I can't believe I'm saying that.
I used google podcasts every day and recommended it to everyone I know because it's just so damn good it's so sad to see it being killed off
It is just migrated, bro.
No, the interface is worse, there are ads now, no custom playback speed (i usually listen at 2.6x) and the sleep timer menu is also worse, it's not "just migrated"
@@mohammedayaanghugharia no custom playback speed in the new app? Man what the fuck.
@@godminnette2 Google. Google makes me say what the fuck more than any other tech brand/vendor. For stupid little stuff like that, someone randomly decides What feature to kill today? It's like a daily lottery with those assholes.
Huh? They're depreciating that? I don't use it often, but I do from time to time. RIP Podcast.
Finally a youtuber that has enough sense to not believe "Trust me bro". MKBHD was like, "yeah, yeah they will definitely do that, totally."
yeah 😅 google isn’t really good at keeping promises
Ironic, considering Linus himself tried the "trust me bro" warranty on their backpack.
Lol yeah they have seen how consumers DO NOT like it, when they said "trust me bro" about their warranty. hhahaha
Dave2D said it too
@@tsjeriAuexactly why it's framed this way lmao
Honestly what hurt me the most (been using Pixel since the very first one, then 2XL and Now 5) was Google killing the photos benefits, with 8 Pro they now encourage you to shoot massive videos then uploading them to the cloud for AI improvement and I can't help but wonder... its not clear if that is going to take out space from Google drive too or not.
I wish the benefit of uploading as much photos as you want returned or even offer you a special deal with google one, they don't give you 6 months or a year off and that would be such a nice addon.
The Tensor G3 is a result of moore's law evening out in term of die size / transistor / nanometer process. The phones are only ever going to get so much faster every year. So improving the performance on AI and ML is a practical pivot as those features naturally require more processing on device than the usual daily driver stuff phones are used for.
Currently rocking a Pixel 4a and although it's still working great, I'll probably replace it in Fall 2024 since it just stopped being officially supported. I would love to see them come back to the small form factor, this coupled with 7 years of support would make it a no-brainer for me. All the other bells and whistle doesn't really sway me
Updates, replaceable battery AND headphone jack? One can dream...
If you're in the US you can get a $200 trade-in for your 4a on the purchase of a new 8. Coupled with the free Pro earbuds it's a pretty nice package.
Source: I pre-ordered yesterday and will be trading in my 4a.
@@ekillops22at&t is even better. You can trade in an s20 fe for an 1040 dollar credit, provided you're paying for their unlimited data tier.
@@nickeshchauhan5661What I would do for this ❤
Pixel 4xl here.
On the topic of Google killing things: I work in a k-12 schools IT department, we just finalized plans to decommission and replace all chrome OS machines in favor of windows, also shifting away from dependence on some Google services. I will continue watching and taking part in what the education segment is doing, the kids we only had on ChromeOS devices will probably stay with chromeos and it'll be interesting to see market trends as they become the ones buying their own tech.
why in particular? they just recently announced 10-year support for new chromeOS laptops?
Main reason I'm interested in the new pixel is as a grapheneOS upgrade path from my pixel 6
That thing for hearing aid connectivity would be cool, given how complicated it is to set them up properly on Android phones without connectivity issues.
Great points at the end! I loved the simplicity of Google domains, it made my admin panel a One-Stop shop for me. My mom has her domain registered with Google domains...
How much was it costing them to maintain? Super annoying
I've got to say, much like Linus said in his need a new phone video, phones are powerful enough now to not slow down for a while... it was my oneplus 6 from 2018 with an 845 that made me first think this is all the performance I need... all phones since then have been perfectly snappy and capable of lasting several year that same one plus was loaned to a friend last year who found it perfect and loved it enough to keep it for 8 months until her upgrade rather than upgrading early.
BEST FEATURE IS: having Google Assistant answer unknown numbers for me and transcribing realtime what the caller is saying real time. and, having known spam numbers automatically dropped. I NEVER RECEIVE SPAM CALLS ANYMORE!!!! it's amazing!
THIS SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE FEATURE MENTIONED BY EVERYONE! but, it doesn't come turned on by default.
i f*cking love my pixel 7. it's amazing. best phone i've ever had.i don't have one complaint even about it.
The best take feature, where you could change individual face timelines was available in BlackBerry OS phones. I missed that feature so much, and I'm glad to finally see it come back.
Oooh dang, if that temp sensor actually works well, I could see a lot of use for that! I use an IR temp meter in the kitchen all the time to make sure my pots and pans are either hot enough or not too hot to damage themselves, checking the temperature of my water radiators which only have a dumb style thermostat on them, etc. I could also see uses for it under the hood of my car, or even just checking what kind of temps the top of the dash reaches on sunny days.
For me as a petrolhead it is what literally sold the Pixel 8 Pro to me. I can use it to quickly measure the tyre temperatures of my car between autocross runs, without the need to grab an additional tool in my box. To measure the temperature of engine components (I used it to determine if my radiator fans should be kicking on or not). And so many other things I can check "is it hot?" without actually touching them, and then having an actual value. With 3D printing it's valuable to know if that place in the car or in the sun reaches too high of a temperature to use PLA or not.
I just hope they'll overlap the point that is measured with some camera feed at some point, like how standalone IR temperature sensors got a laser pointer so you know what exactly (hot) spot you're measuring.
If it was a visual temp sensor it would be a huuuuuuuuge deal since those things are hyper expensive
@@alejandromorazan3420 You mean like an imaging infrared sensor, along the lines of FLIR? They are actually getting a lot more accessible, you can get a Vevor SC240M that has a 240x180 resolution and a 20 Hz refresh rate for around 250€. Marco Reps channel has a video up on the device, with a teardown etc.
3:17 Limus explains that here.
Just get an infiray phone or Doogee s98 pro.
Both have infiray P2 Pro thermal immage sensor with 2x the resolution than flir have.
And it is 😍 AMAZING! having one spot sensor is really nothing to be happy about since it is easy to get it wrong or not seeing the hot spot right next to the small spot.
A thermal imager sensor gives you a new eye into a hidden world.
Can find overloaded circuits in fuse boxes in cars and homes and so much more.
I've been using my Doogee S98 Pro for 1.5 year's now and i love it, not a single problem and all stable.
But I didn't find the Infiray OEM phone at the time and would probably buy that one instead since this one is a heavy large rugged phone 😅 ip69+ the highest waterproofing rating for any product
4:50 If they're lying about landwhale going camping what else are they lying about?
11:06 my smart home mostly runs on google home for a good year and a half now. Just sharing my experience, By adding "and then" in my command does allow me do those things i.e turn off dining lights and then turn on living room lights.
Well said and 100% agree. Used Google Photos when it was unlimited only to pay for expanded storage later on. Feels more like a bait and switch. I miss the old days of Google.
I still have the unlimited photos feature on my Pixel4a, at least that thing is specified on "Account Storage", I think I got the phone at the beginning of May 2021
but Google had promised Unlimited Photos and Videos backup (I think for Pixel 5 series) and it is still going.
My friend uses S23U, shares the files to his Pixel just to get the backup lol.
So google does keep it's promise regarding the phones' softwrae features.
You can even still use the pixel 1 if you want full resolution unlimited backups
I do that too, upload all my photos and videos from my dashcam and GoPro to my pixel 3xl via FTP over wifi for unlimited high quality uploads. I've bitten the bullet and got the 100gb storage for my pixel 6 phone though as realtime backup is important and the 4k videos just look much better that way at full res.
As someone who recently cracked the corner of their 3 year old phone, I'll be keeping an eye on the Pixel 8.
Props for using Embiggen in natural speech. We need to make its use more cromulent in day to day interactions.
This new phone seems cool, but I wonder if it can actually be that reliably good. Google seems to be taking lessons from Nintendo these days, good products but crappy business practices. I hope that someday they can break that cycle and earn back the trust that people gave them. Thanks for showing the pros and cons, I really learned a lot from all of this.
We have had a possibility to "Photoshop" the pictures we take on mobile devices for some time. I understand people want to look the best on their Instagram selfies etc., but having these function and easy ability to "edit" the pictures not just in enhancing contrast, brightness, etc., but actually drag & dropping parts of the image, resizing etc. - I believe this will bring on more deepfakes, distrust of pictures, and further detachment from reality. I wish people would not use it, but they will. It feels a bit like the beginning of an episode of Black Mirror when we produce the memories that do not actually exist.
Spot-on.
Blindly trusting anything on the internet is in violation of rule 1
I don't understand why Google will start a project; bring it to market and after a few years of development with thousands of users just take a axe to it and kill it off. Following that basically tell that users platform to take a hike and find another way. I am surprised they have kept google fiber this long.
I am still using iTunes for Windows for my podcasts and then syncing them to my android phone with a free app that I discovered about 17 years ago.
I loved my Pixel 3a, and I'd LOVE to get another pixel and hope for the same magic... but that "Google Problem" portion of your video hit the nail on the head and makes me super hesitant to get things from Google anymore... wish I could like double like a specific portion of video lol
Same! I'm going to use my 3a XL until it breaks, still going strong with zero issues so far! *knocks on wood*
The temperature sensor is neat but I would've much preferred a headphone jack. This is why I unfortunately had to go with the Zenfone 10 despite the much smaller support lifetime.
I just pre-ordered the Pixel 8 Pro mainly because my Pixel 4 is dinged up and cracked here and there. Google is offering a $125 trade-in so it was a nobrainer. Apart from that, I would have just kept this phone for 1-2 years more as I have absolutely zero issues with it, runs perfectly smooth. Not sure where all this negativity is coming from, IMHO every phone can be defective. Apple has its fair share of issues (overheating, dropped calls, crappy mic/speaker performance...etc) with certain models, it unfortunately happens and you can't predict it. This year's Pro models seem to have significant overheating issues.
Fairphone is even better here: they promise *8 years* of software support with at least 5 Android version updates planned! Hyped to see you holding the FP5 here!
7 years of pixel support means 7 Android versions, so not necessarily worse than the fairphone.
Also fairphone 5 is not available in the US and people forget that
Actually, I really doubt anyone will enjoy using a Pixel 8 or Fairphone 5 in only six years time. I don't think Android has matured enough quite yet to comfortably run on hardware that will be that old. But I also think we are getting close to that point.
are you sure that company will survive 8 years
@@johnysins69696they've been around since 2013
After 4 years. This will go on killed by google website 😂
I used Google Podcast everyday! I was super sad when I heard it was closing I thought it was so dumb because YT Music feels so bloated as is. Not everything has to be like Spotify but hey if that saves a buck sure... Good point on the Apple Podcast, at 1st I wasn't too upset but now i'm just dumbfounded apple is doing it right imo to just keep it simple and separate.
Bad time to bring up Sonos patents. What with the jury trial being overturned.
Did anyone else notice a bit of film grain when Linus is on screen?
4:40 💀💀💀💀💀
This sounds great.. I've always wanted to give Pixel phones a shot, it's just too bad they aren't locally available in my country..
Google is not the only company that kills the features. I remember how Apple killed 3D touch even on my iPhone with updates.
Also! Don't forget about Google Print or the similarly called utility that allowed people to print directly from their phone, which is now killed and there are still MANY printers sold with a broken feature that is never coming back, the manufacturer doesn't care to migrate and update to fix it, but still happily advertises that said function as a major feature
After I saw the video from your crew, I might think about upgrading. I don't need to though. My pixel 3 is still going strong, aside from being stuck on 12.
It'd be nice to have those new features but I mostly use my phone for music/podcasts, reading comics, calls/text, and the frequent Google search.
The pixel 3 was a great phone. I would’ve gladly stuck with it until pixel 7 or 8 it I didn’t upgrade earlier. Pixel 5 was not it now that I look back
Bro, you have a Pixel. Get a custom ROM. Custom third party ROM support has always been one of the biggest advantages of Pixels and Google's older phone ventures like the Nexus series.
@@GamerBoy705_yt I'll look into that. thx.
Unfortunately some of us have the OEM bootloader on our 3 blocked ., my six was running graphene OS ., but I broke it 😂
I'm curious how long the hardware can keep up with the new software requirements year on year
Given the miserly progress of phone hardware in the last few years, I don't think that will be a problem.
I reckon this might be why now is when they promise more support, because they don't expect massive gains over that time that make the work impossible
I believe if you buy top of the range pixel in 2023 it will still be usable in 5-6 years. It will be ready to be replaced by that time though for sure.
@@Gunny-rt3lb what? performance has been tripled in last 4 years. wake up. sd 8 gen 2 can run switch games at full speed. pixel 8 will fall on its face doing that. its already behind.
@@rafalskorupski Thats true. Theyre probably banking on the fact hardly anyones gonna hold on to their phones more than 5 years to actually keep them honest about the 7 year promise
If apple can do 5-6 years so can android. Especially now that we’re reaching the limits of what smartphone can do.
You can use thee temperature sensor to tell how hot your friend's iPhone is?
"The unlimited photos upload" should have been grandfathered in... Disgusting treatment of customers
Problem with Google's Trust Me Bro guarantee is that I don't trust google much in the first place
Android 14 also allows to use your phone as webcam, which I personally think is a neat feature as I currently use 3rd party apps for that
lol why?
@@rndrx70so you don't need to buy/bring a webcam...
@@rndrx70 because I use my smartphone as a webcam for video calls in my home office everyday given its much better quality than any laptop camera and having that function directly in the OS is a good thing
Man, RUclips shorts going away is the best news, I've heard in a long time from the tech world.
Btw anyone else noticed the subscribe icon get highlighted now when the word subscribe is used in a video?
4:35 AI is racist too 😂😂😂
I was getting kinda excited about the prospect of the 8 pro, 7 years of support, seemingly good camera and screen, thermal sensor, even the watch looked pretty good. I just cannot swallow the price, $1700 Australian, I cannot justify spending that much. I know it's not the most expensive, or first phone to reach that price. But there's just no way for me to justify that kind of cost. With 7 years of support, maybe it'll be worth picking one up on sale in a few years, it definitely makes more sense than it used to
Give it 2 months and you'll be able to buy the 8 Pro for $1200 AUD. Pixel's are always discounted heavily after the initial hype.
@@tbillington wait a year for the pixel 9, the pixel 6 pro was as much as a pixel 6a (or maybe slightly more) shortly before they announced the pixel 7 series. I didnt follow the pixel 7's price during this release but im sure it's likely quite similar
And now I'm having flashbacks to Elysium with that phone. "Would you like a pill?" "no. thank you."
3:10 That breathing was so real and terrifying for some reason
Hardware differences between models I understand, but software being excluded from lower tier models has always driven me nuts.
We mostly don't need AI: we only need programs that are open to learning: if I tell Google Assistant to "lower screen brightness", I NEVER expect it to search online for that text. I expect it to say "I don't know how to do that, do you want to show me what to do?" and then record my steps, or search only when I tell it to search!
Then, I also expect Google to make statistics on how many users created the same actions and make them standard.
Plus breaking the search algorithm didn't help them either.
I still won't forgive them for what they did to Stadia. It was my first introduction to cloud gaming, and I adored it. I thought surely Google wouldn't kill it when their playerbase was spending several hundreds to $1000+ on games and hardware, but I was wrong. Thankfully I got refunded all I spent, but I was still heartbroken. All of Google's "promises" meant nothing.
Even if they give 7 years of updates, you'd be lucky to have your phone's hardware last half as long.
Wondering if the temperature sensor will be used for a Google weather feature to keep track of by user info like with maps
Well, 7 years means nothing if it is hard to repair / change battery :/
This. Same thing I said. The devices won't last that long. Batteries will be gone at 4 years.
I can't even get the phone in South Africa. and regarding repairability the fairPhone doesnt even ship to South africa sooo
Exactly what I thought I was like “even if I case this thing and add a screen protector will it even last 5?” 😂 my Dad used the second iPhone then the 5s, then the X and is now using a 15 Pro, and even the iPhone X runs alright with a few bugs, can Google compare? Let’s see
@@4070super You really using Iphone for example of long lasting? They have horrible repair, to the point you as user can't even do it yourself. Google is also working together with iFixit for increased repair-ability.