I think what the guy is asking is: "How much time of learning is required to start getting paid for coding?" He can start working within a week, there are people out there who just modify html templates, or setup wordpress sites. Those are paid pennies though and competition is huge. The truth is that if something is easy, it means there are a lot of people doing it, thus driving prices low. The more one learns to do hard, difficult stuff the less competition he's going to have and higher pay.
interesting. quick quesiton, would this kind of simple jobs start paying the 65k that coders claim to get when starting? i wanna go into coding and thinking about a bootcamp and as long as i do 65k a year is more than twice what im doing now
David Basil the advice given is so out of touch with the real world out there. Did you know the majority of people who work thru freelance sites like uwork, fivrr etc make less than $100 a year. Again i know u will get hate comments for daring to question someones "advice" but this guy has not produced a scintilla of truth to what he is speaking of in this video
Hey! Welcome to the club! Rejection in getting jobs and contracts is part of the game. So don't worry about it. Just keep at it. Keep improving your skills and keep reaching out to people.
i think you are right in general but im not sure about that !!.. i think its better to spend a year but or at least 7 - 9 months of coding and learning before start doing anything. HTML and CSS takes some time to be good in .css = cause you need to learn some animations and flexbox and grid. you also need to know at least bootstrap or other framework. javascript basics takes some time ok . but today you need to know ES6 and ES7 to get a job so ... Angular 5 iTs a skill you must have or React / VUE. now Jquery its ok for plugins and stuff but today pure JS DOM will do most of jquery stuff do. to learn Php its ok but confusing at first and you may want to learn nodejs and express instead and it takes time cause you need also to learn template stuff like handlebars. now along the way you need to know GIT / NPM / WEBPACK and database like mysql or mongodb and also pick an hybrid framework like Ionic or react native or nativescript. so i think today its different and takes time. people should know which path to take .. Angular or React ? cause it will affect them. and im talking about web development. so i think pro developer takes around 2 years ++ and ok developer around 1 year or 7 months or 1 and half. so dont apply to jobs in your first 6 months. just learn and have fun and then do some freelance i agree. my path : html css es6+ git webpack node.js express handlebars passport.js mongodb mysql sql language angular 5 ionic and nativescript. you can also chose react/ react native path.
I think what matters is also what kind of background you come from. When you never worked in IT before , have little knowledge of informatics and mathematics it'll take you much longer and you won't know as easily what to focus on . Good advice though for people completely new to the field.
@@geckolia3823 what do you mean? I have some basic IT stuffs i did a professional school and i spend some time on the internet looking for things how long could it take?
It took me 6 months to confortable enough to apply for jobs Have been working for 5 months and I just got hired for a great company with a nice salary(about 4x minimum wage) I live in Colombia
another great video. i haven't been seriously learning code for more than six to seven months, and by networking and putting myself out there as a "web developer" i've got offered three gigs.
@@miya7525 Hey, thanks for the feedback. Could you shed some light on what you did, general guidance, where did you looked for gigs. etc? If you are willing ofc. I am asking because I have been coding for half an year now, pursuing a career shift in web dev/programming, no previous experience. And just recently, as grew interest in the technology itself, I decided to give blockchain development a try, instead of of "standard" programming niches. Did you have experience with coding/or working in the field before those seven months?
Hey, man, well done! Could you briefly mention a few places where you found your learning resources and where you looked for and landed your gig? Thanks.
I start with some basic html and css in home and after one month somehow i get an internship of 3 months through my friend and after that internship i start learning php in home and after 20 days i get job as junior developer and my real learning start after that job and now i can say if you want to become a pro you must have to work on real life project which enforce you to learn new technology along the way.
I go for Node.JS, not for PHP.. an hope that I will get hired this year as JS developer (full stack or front end) and get the hell out of my current job in Healthcare. Literally working my ass off every day after my paid job until late night on programming. Sometimes its hard but determination is really higher than that to really land as much skill asap :)
Joseph Sabolic III But, to many pros, this can be handing out the keys to the kingdom for nothing. Competition is a buffer that many rely on in order to keep the power order in check. I wish I could shadow a real life developer, and for once experience this life for real, but it seems like wishful thinking to me.
To finish the Launch School program it takes about 1400 hours (data that I got from a LS graduate) and if you do it part time, say 3 hours a day it would take you a little over one years and a half to finish. Although I do respect his view, I would say the better prepared one is, the best, specially if you are switching careers and doing this thing part time.
Stefan the problem is that most jobs requered a least 3 years of experience and another bunch of stuff such... having knowledge in differents languages...plus references.....how would you deal with all that?
@Stefan Mischook Precisely this. The problem with people is they want to jump in straight into the fancy positions, working for big name companies/organizations.
I've known HTML, CSS, and JavaScript for a while. I could solve any problems I faced in these languages, but until I got myself an internship in a small local web development company (which ended last month), I did not create ANYTHING. Until I had projects and tasks, I realized how little I actually knew about web development. It really is best to work hands-on when it comes to technical stuff like this because theory is pointless without hours and hours of implementation in real life practical projects. It's not that I didn't try working by myself, I tried creating countless projects by myself but the internship experience was something else entirely. I'm looking for affordable bootcamps in my area right now. Pretty excited.
I agree, internship experience is humbling. I work in a small web development company as well. You realize that in this kind of job you have to be able to learn constantly. I'm in my last month of my 1 year internship and I can safely say that there is no better experience than grinding on projects, especially when you have responsibility towards a client.
No luck so far unfortunately. Although I doubt we live in the same area anyway. My country is like a barren land when it comes to finding programming jobs or even just learning opportunities. I was lucky enough to have that one unpaid internship.
Ah... internship... A small company at which I am currently working has been looking for internship candidates since a couple of months ago. But we don't know why there wasn't any but just one student who applied. This candidate didn't qualify according to my boss. It's me who wrote the skill requirements as I will lead a team to develop app that will replace existing app. There are already some client candidates (some of them are large companies) that needed the app. Here are the requirements : Basic skills : 1. HTML : preferably version 5 2. CSS 3. Javascript : Ecma Script 5 and 6 standard 4. PHP : preferably version 7 5. OOP Concepts 6. mySQL In addition, candidates are expected to prepare themselves by beginning to learn several web technologies as follows : 1. Ajax 2. CSS pre-processor : SASS 3. Javascript library : jQuery, Bootstrap (version 4) and React.js 4. PHP framework : Laravel 5. Web API and Web Component Internship tasks include learning these together for 3-8 months under direction of me. Potential internship students would be given opportunity to be recruited as employees to work on our near/future projects. Do you think those requirements are hard ?
you've got great a experience! you're absolutely right, if one has a concept of programming, whether it is oop, procedural, functional, or in databases etc., applies the same on other languages as well then it's just a matter of getting used to the syntaxes of other languages. always helpful videos , thanks.
So how does one go about getting a gig with only the basics? When I've looked around on job boards, etc every single one of them ask for experience and a list of skills beyond the basics, even for junior roles. Despite this, I've applied and no surprise, gotten nowhere.
cautare pvp I have the same issue. When I wrote the comment I was really into the training and was good about training after working all day but got burned out. It didn't help that my work required me to stay until 9 or 10 at night to finish my IT projects, and I stopped training for a couple months. I felt like I was back at square one when I tried picking up programming again. Since I do system admin work as one of my jobs, I think if I just apply some programming to automate things will be my best bet to learn and retain. I'd say pick a thing you want to automate or utility you'd like to have and go from there. That's where I'm going to try to focus at least. My God, I can't believe my comment was from 2 years ago. Time is going way too fast.
Well Yes and No... over a decade ago that's what I did: learned HTML & CSS & JS & PHP for about 6 months and then started a job. It was very VERY painful. I was lacking of so much knowledge that I spent my days having headaches trying to understand stuff way quicker than I should have. People expect a lot from you even if you are a beginner. Ask a PHP beginner to try to do something with the CompilerPassInterface of the Symfony Framework and I can guarantee you he will jump off the window by the end of the week... It's even more true today as code environment as become way more complex. Before in JS you could just inclue JQuery in your headers and easily start coding nice JS stuff. Now try to dig into Angular 5 with bunch of npm dependencies, like TypeScript, Babel, Gulp, SystemJS, RXJS, etc, it's a lot more difficult to start with. I manage some trainees every year coming from IT Schools and they are really having a hard time because of their lack of knowledge. And unfortunately, time is not something company want to invest in trainee. They learn the Hard Way :(
Hey, I'm 27, I'm starting with Html5, css3 and JavaScript..can you suggest me a path that can help me when I land a job, something to practice daily and learn.
@@cautarepvp2079 hey, so I learned html5, css and js..I dropped from the course, I don't see myself coding for rest of life, I had entrepreneurial ideas all along, so I opted for digital marketing as a path to it than coding..I hope this helps..
@@everyday9072 what kind of digital marketer? I'm in affiliate marketing and it's tough. I'm learning to code on the side just to have something to fall back on.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur well I'm complete a digital marketing communications degree, things changed dramatically sure. I m still looking to specialize in seo and lead generation, yes coding skills will be advantageous...
For a school or a training program to advertise students becoming devs in a year is actually pretty generous, where I come from. My training course advertised becoming a dev from complete zero in 3 months.
I hit subscribe as soon as I heard "entrepreneur." Much better than talking about little maneuvers you need to learn to get a "job" as opposed to getting a "gig."
Freelance or have you found some company to work for? I'm just starting and all the job offers, even junior positions, require at least 1 year experience.
@@heretic124 I found a company that was willing to trade me ownership at the beginning for making their website. As the site started making money at turned into a full-time gig. Technically freelance but I'm part owner of the company too.
My recommend getting a mentor. Schools are fine, books or webstuff also, but nothing tops someone with answers if u r don't know the questions. Schools do this job, but slower. You couldn't grab a six-pack and go for a bootcamp with someone pushing constantly where it hurts!
Where do all these jobs or "opportunities" exist. . Even the most junior position asks for years of related experience and i would say at least half require a CS degree. There is no way around it. Really you don't need a year?? Seriously, the advice given is almost dangerous if you are not a cynic. Can you post the name of an actual company or an actual job listing that would hire someone with just a few months of experience. I mean, as I always say prove it, show me
It is not about getting a job in few months. I think you need to do first a few freelancer projects before you can get into a full time job. This way you can make money within a year without doing a job.
"I hope that helps" Yes it does. Thanks. I have question though. How do you stay motivated to do programming? Do you ever get bored or do you ever question if you're cut out to be a programmer? If you've answered these in a video please link me to it, thanks.
In those situations, I would suggest you use a discipline of a process. That means you set rules like: I will do 15 minutes of code work per day minimum. So even you feel frustrated and just lazy, you can say to yourself, you just have to do the 15 minutes. This has two benefits, the first is that you will move forward. You'd be amazed how much 15 minutes everyday will accomplish over time. And two, when you sit down to do only 15 minutes, you will likely end up doing 25 minutes. With coding, you have to get into a rhythm. And if you hit a roadblock on something, just take a day off and come back to it. That said, it is important that you stick to your 15 minute per day structure. You want it to be habit. This is how you deal with motivation and boredom: have a regiment.
Stefan Mischook Thanks for responding. I'm glad I asked this question. This can definitely work for me. I am eternally grateful for the advice. Thanks again.
+Groud Frank - Programming can be fun once you get the hang of it. I do a lot of game development and once I started making my own games and built my own worlds, I've been having a blast!!. It came to the point in which I almost can't stop. It's A LOT of fun LOL. But, that's how I learned programming and that's how one thing leads to another. That is, some of the skills that you learn from game development works when trying to build websites as you're working with coordinates. So, that's one way I stayed motivated to program. Again, it's like a mountain. Once you start going up the mountain it can be kind of tedious and a bit boring at first, but when going down that same mountain it could be very very easy and even fun; especially with wheels if you stay with it no matter what. You could literally slide down that mountain. Luckily these days there are youtube tutorials that can show you everything and I'm going to use some of those tutorials to learn PHP myself.
HE360 Thanks for the response. I like the analogy with the mountain. I think I need to start my own projects or get involved with others to get some hands-on.
Back in 1990s there was no javascript even. All you need is a basic html and table like css along with some php in backend. That's all. Now you have a bunch of javascript, css with pre and post processor, babel, bootstrap, react +redux etc. And I doubt that basics alone would allow smb to get a highpaid job in a sec. But in principle he is right - you would progress much faster if have your hands on some real tasks, and if its paid thats great.
As far as I know Javascript was created in 1995. Prior to PHP, there was Perl which was also CGI based. Microsoft had ASP in which VbScript was its default scripting language. But in that periode I only developed non-web app using Foxpro 2.6 for DOS.
Matt Sylvester I’ve heard him say never code for more than four hours a day, but at least 15 mins a day. He’s probably thinking somewhere in the hour and a half to three hour range
Is there a language which does everything? I know that HTML and CSS does the web. But is there a language which you can make AAA games with, as well as develop a website like Facebook for example? Apologies if my question is stupid, I am totally new to coding.
DO YOU HAVE ANY VIDEOS ABOUT HOW TO USE. CODE EDITORS OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LEARN THEM ON OUR OWN AS FAR AS WHICH PLUG INS DO WE NEED AND WHICH ONES WE DONT ETC ,,VS. CODE AND SUBLIME?? CAN WE. GET A TUTORIAL VIDEO. ON HOW TO USE WHEN BUILDING 1ST WEBSITE THIS WOULD BE. A. GREAT HELP ❤
Hey Stefan, nice video. do you believe that by learning html & ccs, javascript etc. it would be easier to learn the programming languages such python or php? thanks.
If you want to do PHP or Python based web apps, you need to learn HTML, CSS and some JavaScript. I put together a package so that people can learn quickly and easily: shop.killervideostore.com/
Hey man, just found your channel and have been watching loadsss of your videos! I'm currently considering doing an apprenticeship (in the UK, learning on the job kinda thing) in programming if I can find one and then following that, possibly going to university (college) to gain a degree in computer science. I'm 17 and just trying to start finding my way into learning code and I'm finishing school this summer. Would be great to get some advice from someone as experienced as yourself! Thanks :)
Everybody is saying you can become a developer in a couple of months. It is f*in BS. There is so much to learn for a newbie, and even more to do, that even on the very best bootcamps with all the mentoring and guidance it takes at least 6 months. And it takes years of non stop learning and coding before you get a decent job.
If you watch my video, I specify the first job will be entry level and then depending on your work ethic and talent, you can move up from there. You will hit high earning typically within 3 years.
What I am saying Stefan, that the barrier of entry to your first job in coding has risen dramatically over last 20 years. I'm in IT myself, and from what I see these requirements are growing by day. You need to be a full-stack, well versed in number of frameworks, you must understand number of technologies, you must have team work experience, must know how to use teamwork tools and so on, just to get your foot in a door. And on top of that you have a bunch of candidates for that junior position. It's not a complaint it is just a new reality.
I got a front end developer job 5 months after starting learning, chosen over people with multiple years of work experience. Stop telling people it can't be done because it can.
ive been coding for a year now 2 to 3 hours a day..4 or 5 days a week...cause ai have a full time job..in 2019 im focusing on javascript angular etc..and will go to a bootcamp..its not easy there is no shortcut..unless you dont work and have 12 hours a day to code for 6 month. i guess..
Why do you have to go to a Bootcamp in order to focus on Javascript, Angular, etc ? Just visit official sites that provide accurate, detailed documentations. - For Javascript, visit MDN site : developer.mozilla.org which also contains other web technologies including Web API/DOM, Web Components, HTTP, etc in addition to HTML and CSS. - For Angular : angular.io - For React : reactjs.org
Okay so you mentioned Jquery and i did some research on the same, the word is, it isnt used at this point in time. Well this video is like 3 years old so what should be my next step after having finished HTML CSS and JS? pls lemme knowthanks
I think I have a little more than the basics, just finished the front-end certificate on FCC, and built my own website and several projects. I get featured on CodePen quite a bit, so that's a good sign, right? Eh...Not really. I've heard of people getting hired with much less, but closing in on a hundred resumes, I haven't even been chosen to interview.
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Welcome. Thanks for picking up the course. If you get the Python course, please email me (stefan at killersites.com) and I will set you up with the interactive version as well. This way you will have the downloads and access to the training site.
how much time of learning is required to start getting paid for coding? lmao quick example: get a cs go public cheat source code, update the offsets (if needed), change the menu a litte, vmp that shit and its all good, ez undetected cheat that u can sell to ur friends
Jonas Kgomo I wouldn't recommend limiting myself to node.js only. Yes, you can use a node stack, like the MEAN stack, but I wouldn't integrate it with php because php is server side technology. Node is also server side tech, so there's not much point to using both.
It depends. If you are 25 then you can get a job in a month or two with little or no experience. Company's are tripping over themselves to hire fresh faced millennials with little or no experience. However age discrimination in most hiring is widespread and rampant
If I have a fulltime job in another domain. But I like programming and I want to learn it and work as a freelancer .Do you think something like this will be possible? Or it is necessary to be free to learn programming?
Yes you can, if you like it and want to spend time then it is possible to do it, OFC if you have 3-4 hours a day to spend programming you will learn slower than someone who spends 8 hours but eventually if you are passionate you will learn.
Do you need to be academically minded to program? I'm in my final year at university finishing a course I really never should have started and it has been a long hard slog. Writing assignments has been totally against the grain with my personality and skills being a more practical person.
Unfortunately the days of jumping into jobs you are way under-qualified for just doesn't exist anymore, unless you get extremely lucky. My younger brother doesn't have a degree and my mom has him applying for all kinds of jobs he is way under-qualified for because some of her degree-less friends were able to position themselves in nice comfy jobs by doing the same 20-30 years ago. Employement is a warfield now days and you're competing with millions of fresh graduates desperately fighting for the same positions to pay off their mountains of student debt. You must keep learning and create a strong portfolio for yourself. Luckily, programming is one of those fields that doesn't necessarily require a specific degree but it doesn't mean you're automatically equally to someone with a degree. Always keep in mind that they'll always have something you don't so you need to diversify yourself in some other way, which will most likely be a strong portfolio. Don't think you can take Colt Steele's web developer course online and pass those projects off as your portfolio after a month or two. You need to do extra. You must do extra. I'm right along with all you guys. I graduated college 4 years ago and already looking to change careers. I hate my current life path, but I won't kid myself into thinking I can change it over night with a couple months of Udemy classes.
Hey dude ,,I'm thinking about changing my career too...I'm doing Masters in Mathematics now...Im not interested in this path anymore...I was thinking about going into coding field...I started learning python few weeks ago...But the job opportunities are so damn tough...I don't have much money to get lots of courses to gain the knowledge...I belong to a middle class family...I'm just learning from RUclips....Can you tell me that I should go in this field or i should change my path????
No offense, you're completely wrong about boxing. I've been through several boxing gyms over the years, and most coaches are garbage. The last thing you should be doing is getting in a ring until you have perfected the technique of basics. it will make you a much better boxer over time. The same applies here.
as someone fairly new to programming, with the opportunities out there that interest me, this is what i'm learning/have learned in no particular order: python/django swift obj-c c++ c# i have other plans to learn more things and the nuances and your video is great! thanks
i honestly don't think my "résumé", if you can even call it that, is impressive enough to even be considered for a job, although I'd love to pursue it as a career. any tips? Stefan Mischook
josh wynns thanks, man. i'm working on several (3 maybe) serious projects simultaneously at the moment to put on the iOS app store. i'm kind of reluctant to post on GitHub if I am using those projects as a product through the app store... any suggestions on how I can do both?
I think what the guy is asking is: "How much time of learning is required to start getting paid for coding?"
He can start working within a week, there are people out there who just modify html templates, or setup wordpress sites.
Those are paid pennies though and competition is huge.
The truth is that if something is easy, it means there are a lot of people doing it, thus driving prices low.
The more one learns to do hard, difficult stuff the less competition he's going to have and higher pay.
David Basil what is some of the more difficult stuff?
Back-end and js frameworks.
interesting. quick quesiton, would this kind of simple jobs start paying the 65k that coders claim to get when starting? i wanna go into coding and thinking about a bootcamp and as long as i do 65k a year is more than twice what im doing now
David Basil the advice given is so out of touch with the real world out there. Did you know the majority of people who work thru freelance sites like uwork, fivrr etc make less than $100 a year. Again i know u will get hate comments for daring to question someones "advice" but this guy has not produced a scintilla of truth to what he is speaking of in this video
Your last few lines sums it up! thx
I love listening to this guy about coding etc, he reminds of a mafia dude the way he speaks and carries himself!
Lol a coding mafia don. But i was thinking the same thing. Subscribed!
LOL
Lol!!! 😄 thanks for.the laugh. If it weren't for Stephan reminding me of a good friend that would've been my thinking too.😄lol.
Don Codeleone
Same here . I think he looks like Alpa Chino 😁
I got an email declining my application for an internship earlier today. Your video lifted my spirits like ten times. Thank you
Hey! Welcome to the club! Rejection in getting jobs and contracts is part of the game. So don't worry about it. Just keep at it. Keep improving your skills and keep reaching out to people.
i think you are right in general but im not sure about that !!.. i think its better to spend a year but or at least 7 - 9 months of coding and learning before start doing anything. HTML and CSS takes some time to be good in .css = cause you need to learn some animations and flexbox and grid. you also need to know at least bootstrap or other framework. javascript basics takes some time ok . but today you need to know ES6 and ES7 to get a job so ... Angular 5 iTs a skill you must have or React / VUE. now Jquery its ok for plugins and stuff but today pure JS DOM will do most of jquery stuff do. to learn Php its ok but confusing at first and you may want to learn nodejs and express instead and it takes time cause you need also to learn template stuff like handlebars. now along the way you need to know GIT / NPM / WEBPACK and database like mysql or mongodb and also pick an hybrid framework like Ionic or react native or nativescript. so i think today its different and takes time. people should know which path to take .. Angular or React ? cause it will affect them. and im talking about web development. so i think pro developer takes around 2 years ++ and ok developer around 1 year or 7 months or 1 and half. so dont apply to jobs in your first 6 months. just learn and have fun and then do some freelance i agree. my path : html css es6+ git webpack node.js express handlebars passport.js mongodb mysql sql language angular 5 ionic and nativescript. you can also chose react/ react native path.
Thank you! this is pure gold
I think what matters is also what kind of background you come from. When you never worked in IT before , have little knowledge of informatics and mathematics it'll take you much longer and you won't know as easily what to focus on . Good advice though for people completely new to the field.
@@geckolia3823 what do you mean? I have some basic IT stuffs i did a professional school and i spend some time on the internet looking for things how long could it take?
and then there is this guy...
you can't imagine how useful is these types of talks to people like me. thanks Stef! I appreciate it.
He started coding when I was born and am learning today. Coincidence😎😎
Nice videos! I don't comment much but I'm watching and learning. Thanks!
Thanks.
It took me 6 months to confortable enough to apply for jobs
Have been working for 5 months and I just got hired for a great company with a nice salary(about 4x minimum wage)
I live in Colombia
congrats! good luck man!
another great video. i haven't been seriously learning code for more than six to seven months, and by networking and putting myself out there as a "web developer" i've got offered three gigs.
Sunnydftw Which city do you live in?
do you live in DFW? i've seen tons of opportunities in that area in development in general
becoming a productive programmer that a team actually wants to work with takes a couple of years of genuine effort.
Took me 7 months to get my first gig as a blockchain developer.. css, javascript, react, react-native and solidity for backend logic
Hey, can I ask you a bit on that? As I am exactly in your shoes but, learlier version of you, haha :)
Is it a remote job or freelance (still remote obviously)?
@@uHTPuGaHT it's a remote freelancer job, contract for 2 years. It's been 8 months now for me
@@miya7525 Hey, thanks for the feedback. Could you shed some light on what you did, general guidance, where did you looked for gigs. etc? If you are willing ofc. I am asking because I have been coding for half an year now, pursuing a career shift in web dev/programming, no previous experience. And just recently, as grew interest in the technology itself, I decided to give blockchain development a try, instead of of "standard" programming niches. Did you have experience with coding/or working in the field before those seven months?
Hey, man, well done! Could you briefly mention a few places where you found your learning resources and where you looked for and landed your gig?
Thanks.
I like this guy. A humble, knowledgeable OG.
I start with some basic html and css in home and after one month somehow i get an internship of 3 months through my friend and after that internship i start learning php in home and after 20 days i get job as junior developer and my real learning start after that job and now i can say if you want to become a pro you must have to work on real life project which enforce you to learn new technology along the way.
How much money you make bro
I go for Node.JS, not for PHP.. an hope that I will get hired this year as JS developer (full stack or front end) and get the hell out of my current job in Healthcare. Literally working my ass off every day after my paid job until late night on programming. Sometimes its hard but determination is really higher than that to really land as much skill asap :)
1994 is waaaay back, thanks Stef, thanks for reminding me that I am not "that" young anymore :)
Thanks for the video, I appreciate your effort.
Thanks!
someone needs to start a program where your paired with a developer in real life in real time on the job learning how to code
Thats a great idea !!!
Joseph Sabolic III But, to many pros, this can be handing out the keys to the kingdom for nothing. Competition is a buffer that many rely on in order to keep the power order in check. I wish I could shadow a real life developer, and for once experience this life for real, but it seems like wishful thinking to me.
theres millions of tutorials out there showing awsome shit... lol
@@AlY-dr8hp dude there are thousands of tutorials showing the "secrets" Of how to make production grade projects... wtf are u talking about lol
To finish the Launch School program it takes about 1400 hours (data that I got from a LS graduate) and if you do it part time, say 3 hours a day it would take you a little over one years and a half to finish.
Although I do respect his view, I would say the better prepared one is, the best, specially if you are switching careers and doing this thing part time.
Have you started Launch School?
Stefan the problem is that most jobs requered a least 3 years of experience and another bunch of stuff such... having knowledge in differents languages...plus references.....how would you deal with all that?
Start doing small freelance gigs and build up from there.
@Stefan Mischook Precisely this.
The problem with people is they want to jump in straight into the fancy positions, working for big name companies/organizations.
I've known HTML, CSS, and JavaScript for a while. I could solve any problems I faced in these languages, but until I got myself an internship in a small local web development company (which ended last month), I did not create ANYTHING. Until I had projects and tasks, I realized how little I actually knew about web development. It really is best to work hands-on when it comes to technical stuff like this because theory is pointless without hours and hours of implementation in real life practical projects. It's not that I didn't try working by myself, I tried creating countless projects by myself but the internship experience was something else entirely. I'm looking for affordable bootcamps in my area right now. Pretty excited.
I agree, internship experience is humbling. I work in a small web development company as well. You realize that in this kind of job you have to be able to learn constantly. I'm in my last month of my 1 year internship and I can safely say that there is no better experience than grinding on projects, especially when you have responsibility towards a client.
Did you ever find an affordable bootcamp? I'm looking myself.
ErnestGTY
Yes!
I just wish my internship was that long. I can't imagine how much I would've learned compared to only 3 months.
No luck so far unfortunately. Although I doubt we live in the same area anyway. My country is like a barren land when it comes to finding programming jobs or even just learning opportunities. I was lucky enough to have that one unpaid internship.
Ah... internship...
A small company at which I am currently working has been looking for internship candidates since a couple of months ago. But we don't know why there wasn't any but just one student who applied. This candidate didn't qualify according to my boss.
It's me who wrote the skill requirements as I will lead a team to develop app that will replace existing app. There are already some client candidates (some of them are large companies) that needed the app.
Here are the requirements :
Basic skills :
1. HTML : preferably version 5
2. CSS
3. Javascript : Ecma Script 5 and 6 standard
4. PHP : preferably version 7
5. OOP Concepts
6. mySQL
In addition, candidates are expected to prepare themselves by beginning to learn several web technologies as follows :
1. Ajax
2. CSS pre-processor : SASS
3. Javascript library : jQuery, Bootstrap (version 4) and React.js
4. PHP framework : Laravel
5. Web API and Web Component
Internship tasks include learning these together for 3-8 months under direction of me. Potential internship students would be given opportunity to be recruited as employees to work on our near/future projects.
Do you think those requirements are hard ?
come on we need to give this GUY not just a thumbs up but the whole hand ,, GOOD JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you've got great a experience! you're absolutely right, if one has a concept of programming, whether it is oop, procedural, functional, or in databases etc., applies the same on other languages as well then it's just a matter of getting used to the syntaxes of other languages.
always helpful videos , thanks.
So how does one go about getting a gig with only the basics? When I've looked around on job boards, etc every single one of them ask for experience and a list of skills beyond the basics, even for junior roles. Despite this, I've applied and no surprise, gotten nowhere.
Exactly what I'm going through :/
Gary Tremolo have started a portfolio? Made an app? Anything to change you know what your doing?
Portfolio..my college mate in grahic design has only 2 websites in his portfolio but they were pretty dammn good..and he got a job
@@MachineOverlords i tried freecodecamp, is so good but for some reason is harder for me to learn every level we do lol i forget the basics lol
cautare pvp I have the same issue. When I wrote the comment I was really into the training and was good about training after working all day but got burned out. It didn't help that my work required me to stay until 9 or 10 at night to finish my IT projects, and I stopped training for a couple months. I felt like I was back at square one when I tried picking up programming again. Since I do system admin work as one of my jobs, I think if I just apply some programming to automate things will be my best bet to learn and retain. I'd say pick a thing you want to automate or utility you'd like to have and go from there. That's where I'm going to try to focus at least.
My God, I can't believe my comment was from 2 years ago. Time is going way too fast.
Well Yes and No... over a decade ago that's what I did: learned HTML & CSS & JS & PHP for about 6 months and then started a job. It was very VERY painful. I was lacking of so much knowledge that I spent my days having headaches trying to understand stuff way quicker than I should have. People expect a lot from you even if you are a beginner. Ask a PHP beginner to try to do something with the CompilerPassInterface of the Symfony Framework and I can guarantee you he will jump off the window by the end of the week... It's even more true today as code environment as become way more complex. Before in JS you could just inclue JQuery in your headers and easily start coding nice JS stuff. Now try to dig into Angular 5 with bunch of npm dependencies, like TypeScript, Babel, Gulp, SystemJS, RXJS, etc, it's a lot more difficult to start with.
I manage some trainees every year coming from IT Schools and they are really having a hard time because of their lack of knowledge. And unfortunately, time is not something company want to invest in trainee. They learn the Hard Way :(
Hey, I'm 27, I'm starting with Html5, css3 and JavaScript..can you suggest me a path that can help me when I land a job, something to practice daily and learn.
@@everyday9072 yeah same here, any advice?
@@cautarepvp2079 hey, so I learned html5, css and js..I dropped from the course, I don't see myself coding for rest of life, I had entrepreneurial ideas all along, so I opted for digital marketing as a path to it than coding..I hope this helps..
@@everyday9072 what kind of digital marketer? I'm in affiliate marketing and it's tough. I'm learning to code on the side just to have something to fall back on.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur well I'm complete a digital marketing communications degree, things changed dramatically sure. I m still looking to specialize in seo and lead generation, yes coding skills will be advantageous...
For a school or a training program to advertise students becoming devs in a year is actually pretty generous, where I come from. My training course advertised becoming a dev from complete zero in 3 months.
im currently trying to shift my career in dev . still new in this html css javascript world .. thank you OG for giving us hope and light
Hows ur journey so far?
Stefan, thank you for being so candid! I'm finding your discussions to be tremendously valuable. Thank you again!!!
Thanks
I hit subscribe as soon as I heard "entrepreneur." Much better than talking about little maneuvers you need to learn to get a "job" as opposed to getting a "gig."
Thanks for putting out all these vids. Really helped me! Thanks!!!!!
Thanks.
I'm 4 months into coding and I make a full-time living off it now. Not entirely sure if I deserve it.
Freelance or have you found some company to work for?
I'm just starting and all the job offers, even junior positions, require at least 1 year experience.
@@heretic124 I found a company that was willing to trade me ownership at the beginning for making their website. As the site started making money at turned into a full-time gig. Technically freelance but I'm part owner of the company too.
How did tou do that can tiu expand
كلام معقول و يدل خبرتك و تمرسك . Thank you soooo much
That sounds really sensible, Stefan. Thank you for posting.
Welcome
im a boxer and coder too! Thanks for the clean advice sir.
Keep them hands up! ;)
My recommend getting a mentor. Schools are fine, books or webstuff also, but nothing tops someone with answers if u r don't know the questions. Schools do this job, but slower. You couldn't grab a six-pack and go for a bootcamp with someone pushing constantly where it hurts!
Where do all these jobs or "opportunities" exist. . Even the most junior position asks for years of related experience and i would say at least half require a CS degree. There is no way around it. Really you don't need a year?? Seriously, the advice given is almost dangerous if you are not a cynic. Can you post the name of an actual company or an actual job listing that would hire someone with just a few months of experience. I mean, as I always say prove it, show me
It is not about getting a job in few months. I think you need to do first a few freelancer projects before you can get into a full time job. This way you can make money within a year without doing a job.
yeah to much talk but no one shows the reality of things how to actually get that job lol
Freelancing. Nobody's talking about a fully fledged job at some tech company. We're talking pennys
@@nizamersoft freelance work, in a sense, it's even more complex than a intership.
thank you so much that's the best answer I've ever heard while searching on RUclips your so true , God Bless!
"I hope that helps" Yes it does. Thanks. I have question though. How do you stay motivated to do programming? Do you ever get bored or do you ever question if you're cut out to be a programmer? If you've answered these in a video please link me to it, thanks.
Groud Frank This is exactly my problem! The lack of motivation and and wondering whether programming is really for me or not.
In those situations, I would suggest you use a discipline of a process. That means you set rules like: I will do 15 minutes of code work per day minimum. So even you feel frustrated and just lazy, you can say to yourself, you just have to do the 15 minutes.
This has two benefits, the first is that you will move forward. You'd be amazed how much 15 minutes everyday will accomplish over time. And two, when you sit down to do only 15 minutes, you will likely end up doing 25 minutes. With coding, you have to get into a rhythm. And if you hit a roadblock on something, just take a day off and come back to it. That said, it is important that you stick to your 15 minute per day structure. You want it to be habit. This is how you deal with motivation and boredom: have a regiment.
Stefan Mischook Thanks for responding. I'm glad I asked this question. This can definitely work for me. I am eternally grateful for the advice. Thanks again.
+Groud Frank - Programming can be fun once you get the hang of it. I do a lot of game development and once I started making my own games and built my own worlds, I've been having a blast!!. It came to the point in which I almost can't stop. It's A LOT of fun LOL. But, that's how I learned programming and that's how one thing leads to another. That is, some of the skills that you learn from game development works when trying to build websites as you're working with coordinates. So, that's one way I stayed motivated to program. Again, it's like a mountain. Once you start going up the mountain it can be kind of tedious and a bit boring at first, but when going down that same mountain it could be very very easy and even fun; especially with wheels if you stay with it no matter what. You could literally slide down that mountain. Luckily these days there are youtube tutorials that can show you everything and I'm going to use some of those tutorials to learn PHP myself.
HE360 Thanks for the response. I like the analogy with the mountain. I think I need to start my own projects or get involved with others to get some hands-on.
Back in 1990s there was no javascript even. All you need is a basic html and table like css along with some php in backend. That's all. Now you have a bunch of javascript, css with pre and post processor, babel, bootstrap, react +redux etc. And I doubt that basics alone would allow smb to get a highpaid job in a sec. But in principle he is right - you would progress much faster if have your hands on some real tasks, and if its paid thats great.
As far as I know Javascript was created in 1995. Prior to PHP, there was Perl which was also CGI based. Microsoft had ASP in which VbScript was its default scripting language. But in that periode I only developed non-web app using Foxpro 2.6 for DOS.
When he says you can get competent on html/css/javascript/jquery in a couple months... how many hours per day is he thinking?
Matt Sylvester I’ve heard him say never code for more than four hours a day, but at least 15 mins a day. He’s probably thinking somewhere in the hour and a half to three hour range
@@emarskineel i am curious what he means by competent, how to practice and best way to learn
Love the jumping into the real world!
Thanks for all your vidoes .They help beginners like me who are in a lot confusion :)
Is there a language which does everything? I know that HTML and CSS does the web. But is there a language which you can make AAA games with, as well as develop a website like Facebook for example? Apologies if my question is stupid, I am totally new to coding.
I have been learning full time for 9 months from scratch. I am still a beginner,
DO YOU HAVE ANY VIDEOS ABOUT HOW TO USE. CODE EDITORS OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LEARN THEM ON OUR OWN AS FAR AS WHICH PLUG INS DO WE NEED AND WHICH ONES WE DONT ETC ,,VS. CODE AND SUBLIME?? CAN WE. GET A TUTORIAL VIDEO. ON HOW TO USE WHEN BUILDING 1ST WEBSITE THIS WOULD BE. A. GREAT HELP ❤
This is good to know. Thanks for the info.
How long it takes ?
It is relative to how much time you put in ...
Hey Stefan, nice video. do you believe that by learning html & ccs, javascript etc. it would be easier to learn the programming languages such python or php? thanks.
If you want to do PHP or Python based web apps, you need to learn HTML, CSS and some JavaScript. I put together a package so that people can learn quickly and easily: shop.killervideostore.com/
one year is not enough, but somewhere you need to start
insightful video as always, Stef :)
Hey man, just found your channel and have been watching loadsss of your videos! I'm currently considering doing an apprenticeship (in the UK, learning on the job kinda thing) in programming if I can find one and then following that, possibly going to university (college) to gain a degree in computer science. I'm 17 and just trying to start finding my way into learning code and I'm finishing school this summer.
Would be great to get some advice from someone as experienced as yourself! Thanks :)
Pick a language and start writing code. Start with simple examples and build up. Do 15 minutes a day to start. Like working out.
This is an subliminal advertisement for Nike. Just do it!
Great video, thanks!
Everytime he said he got a gig I thought he threw a party.
Everybody is saying you can become a developer in a couple of months. It is f*in BS. There is so much to learn for a newbie, and even more to do, that even on the very best bootcamps with all the mentoring and guidance it takes at least 6 months. And it takes years of non stop learning and coding before you get a decent job.
Chazz Man aaand can you say this from experience or are you just talking out of your ass?
If you watch my video, I specify the first job will be entry level and then depending on your work ethic and talent, you can move up from there. You will hit high earning typically within 3 years.
Experience buddy that goes back to the 1990's with my own career and subsequently many times over with mentees of mine.
What I am saying Stefan, that the barrier of entry to your first job in coding has risen dramatically over last 20 years. I'm in IT myself, and from what I see these requirements are growing by day. You need to be a full-stack, well versed in number of frameworks, you must understand number of technologies, you must have team work experience, must know how to use teamwork tools and so on, just to get your foot in a door. And on top of that you have a bunch of candidates for that junior position. It's not a complaint it is just a new reality.
I got a front end developer job 5 months after starting learning, chosen over people with multiple years of work experience. Stop telling people it can't be done because it can.
thank you so much for this video , that just gave me a hella motivation to start learning web dev. tysm
Glad I could help.
Very good advice. Thank you so much
Hey Stef do you have an email that you use to answer questions? Thanks!
I'm gonna sign up. What can it hurt to just try?
It never hurts to learn.
That definitely helped.. Thanks Stefan alot
ive been coding for a year now 2 to 3 hours a day..4 or 5 days a week...cause ai have a full time job..in 2019 im focusing on javascript angular etc..and will go to a bootcamp..its not easy there is no shortcut..unless you dont work and have 12 hours a day to code for 6 month. i guess..
Why do you have to go to a Bootcamp in order to focus on Javascript, Angular, etc ? Just visit official sites that provide accurate, detailed documentations.
- For Javascript, visit MDN site : developer.mozilla.org which also contains other web technologies including Web API/DOM, Web Components, HTTP, etc in addition to HTML and CSS.
- For Angular : angular.io
- For React : reactjs.org
Took me year and a half to land my first job. I did not do anything with code for 6 months in the middle of it though.
I want to become a successful freelance developer..
Is there a systematic way of finding employers that are willing to pay you as you learn?
Okay so you mentioned Jquery and i did some research on the same, the word is, it isnt used at this point in time. Well this video is like 3 years old so what should be my next step after having finished HTML CSS and JS? pls lemme knowthanks
React js
I think I have a little more than the basics, just finished the front-end certificate on FCC, and built my own website and several projects. I get featured on CodePen quite a bit, so that's a good sign, right? Eh...Not really. I've heard of people getting hired with much less, but closing in on a hundred resumes, I haven't even been chosen to interview.
Tina Anastopoulos what course is FCC?
You are from greece by your name, How it is there to be hired? What it takes? Or find aprentinship
Great advice. Thanks.
thanks for being a great mentor. you are awesome!
Thanks!
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks man, really inspired me.
Do you do some video course? :D I would really like to. Greetings from Slovakia.
Hi! Sure I do. If you want to learn web development: shop.killervideostore.com/ If you want to learn Python: www.killervideostore.com/video-courses/beginners_python_3.php Thanks!
Stefan Mischook thank you. Wonderful :)
Welcome. Thanks for picking up the course. If you get the Python course, please email me (stefan at killersites.com) and I will set you up with the interactive version as well. This way you will have the downloads and access to the training site.
Very helpful video stef thanks!
Welcome.
thank you sir for sharing ur knowledge wid us...love from India 🇮🇳
Welcome!
Outstanding Video! Thank you for this....
how much time of learning is required to start getting paid for coding? lmao quick example: get a cs go public cheat source code, update the offsets (if needed), change the menu a litte, vmp that shit and its all good, ez undetected cheat that u can sell to ur friends
Good mentor really helpful
can you be proficient by using NODE.js only? Since you can use php,java script and html inside the framework of node
Jonas Kgomo I wouldn't recommend limiting myself to node.js only. Yes, you can use a node stack, like the MEAN stack, but I wouldn't integrate it with php because php is server side technology. Node is also server side tech, so there's not much point to using both.
Thanks for your advice.
It depends. If you are 25 then you can get a job in a month or two with little or no experience. Company's are tripping over themselves to hire fresh faced millennials with little or no experience. However age discrimination in most hiring is widespread and rampant
would you say someone with basic JavaScript experience, i.e. coding boot camp , could get an entry level hob
All comes down to skills.
Isn't boxing counter intuitive to programming? Taking all those hits to the noggin doesn't bode well for your programming chops...
True. Unless you move your head a lot!
With computer science degree I become scriptcase expert in 3 days
Cool man your exp is huge I m struggling after 19 years
If I have a fulltime job in another domain. But I like programming and I want to learn it and work as a freelancer .Do you think something like this will be possible? Or it is necessary to be free to learn programming?
Yes you can, if you like it and want to spend time then it is possible to do it, OFC if you have 3-4 hours a day to spend programming you will learn slower than someone who spends 8 hours but eventually if you are passionate you will learn.
@@helixstudio2769 no one suggests 8 hours a day to programming you gonna burn out
thank you so much it is really help me a lot
Good advice!
I feel like I could take a small landing page project on. The problem is I’m worried about getting hopelessly stuck and letting them down
Don't worry about it ... you will just work it out.
Do you need to be academically minded to program? I'm in my final year at university finishing a course I really never should have started and it has been a long hard slog. Writing assignments has been totally against the grain with my personality and skills being a more practical person.
Excuse me but you mentioned that one does at 1st HTML then CSS then Java then what was the 4th please?
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Unfortunately the days of jumping into jobs you are way under-qualified for just doesn't exist anymore, unless you get extremely lucky. My younger brother doesn't have a degree and my mom has him applying for all kinds of jobs he is way under-qualified for because some of her degree-less friends were able to position themselves in nice comfy jobs by doing the same 20-30 years ago.
Employement is a warfield now days and you're competing with millions of fresh graduates desperately fighting for the same positions to pay off their mountains of student debt. You must keep learning and create a strong portfolio for yourself. Luckily, programming is one of those fields that doesn't necessarily require a specific degree but it doesn't mean you're automatically equally to someone with a degree. Always keep in mind that they'll always have something you don't so you need to diversify yourself in some other way, which will most likely be a strong portfolio.
Don't think you can take Colt Steele's web developer course online and pass those projects off as your portfolio after a month or two. You need to do extra. You must do extra. I'm right along with all you guys. I graduated college 4 years ago and already looking to change careers. I hate my current life path, but I won't kid myself into thinking I can change it over night with a couple months of Udemy classes.
Hey dude ,,I'm thinking about changing my career too...I'm doing Masters in Mathematics now...Im not interested in this path anymore...I was thinking about going into coding field...I started learning python few weeks ago...But the job opportunities are so damn tough...I don't have much money to get lots of courses to gain the knowledge...I belong to a middle class family...I'm just learning from RUclips....Can you tell me that I should go in this field or i should change my path????
I enjoy your videos.
I think a year is correct for enterprise programming
This was helpful.
No offense, you're completely wrong about boxing. I've been through several boxing gyms over the years, and most coaches are garbage. The last thing you should be doing is getting in a ring until you have perfected the technique of basics. it will make you a much better boxer over time. The same applies here.
You Have Keanu Reeves Vibe
I Like It
What about Node for server-side
Thanks man :-))
as someone fairly new to programming, with the opportunities out there that interest me, this is what i'm learning/have learned in no particular order:
python/django
swift
obj-c
c++
c#
i have other plans to learn more things and the nuances and your video is great! thanks
Sounds good. I would suggest looking at job opportunities in your area and let that help you choose where to focus.
i honestly don't think my "résumé", if you can even call it that, is impressive enough to even be considered for a job, although I'd love to pursue it as a career.
any tips?
Stefan Mischook
Build a portfolio. A good portfolio will help your lack of experience.
josh wynns thanks, man.
i'm working on several (3 maybe) serious projects simultaneously at the moment to put on the iOS app store.
i'm kind of reluctant to post on GitHub if I am using those projects as a product through the app store...
any suggestions on how I can do both?
bootcamp "programmers" always drag down team productivity.
so true!
Yes
Thanks STefan
In those days if you knew html you were like a God😹😹😹
انت انسان مميز
you have a really great mentality. great respect to you
Thanks.